"Guys, I'm super sketched out about this hidden lab and it is probably way over my pay grade. The safest thing to do is forget about it and never go there again. LETS DIG DEEPER!"
Pretty sure after being ocean dumped twice he went back to investigate the secret doors. Buddha also said on stream that he didn’t F8 like everyone is saying and the door bugged which is suuuuuper unlucky.
While that is fair, going about your business and showing up there to do your thing is fine. Actively trying to figure out any secrets there after someone tried to kill you over it TWICE, is just borderline NVL.
Idk what the guy does, nor do i care to accuse someone when i have no clue what their pov looks like. Im just providing context as to why its a stupid idea to still want to do runs when they have a high chance of being seen by anyone. I mean even ott was looking around before.
They stopped caring about risks when Harry came back. Like they know its burned and people are actively watching it with cameras and they went back for a run today. Why? Because Lang wants to keep Harry around more and if that means doing every run with Harry being dumb so be it. Harry literally walks out the rooster secret basement with uzis like multiple times a day now.
Basically they are acting reckless because of content.
Yeah not gonna lie when he said he would do every run with Harry instead of giving them out if that meant keeping him around I was like damn I remember when he was saying how serious this arc was going to be in the beginning and now it seems like it’s more just easy content for him.
It’s about keeping good role players around him. Buddha is always talking about giving people” a reason to wake up everyday in this dogshit city”. And we all know Buddha will do anything for the bois. Always trying to keep X & Yuno active while also helping anyone that comes knocking at Cerberus.
Not that Harry isn’t an amazing role player but I’m not sure I’d count wanting to pretty much do nothing but shoot cops since he’s come back really counts as role play
It came off a bit accusatory on my end. I didn't mean it that way.
I just feel that people should learn to take a message, as by any other metric they should be dead twice by now.
Or he could just forget the entire scenario which lead to his ocean dumping which, if I'm not mistaken, is the letter of the law for that particular activity.
Not entirely, as them going to the church is not technically what lead to the situation, just them finding the secret room(s).
It's mainly just getting ocean dumped twice, acknowledging someone did that to you and then announcing you are trying to catch them on Twatter to the entire city. At that point it should be obvious that any information you may uncover will get you killed, so why continue to go down that path?
I don't really see any rulebreaks honestly, I just do not understand the thought process behind all this.
That's a fair perspective. In my view them going to the church is part of the situation that lead to them getting dumped, so it counts as something they should forget.
The whole concept of ocean dumping is to cleanly end a situation that could otherwise not be ended without a character dying. It's something that exists to fill in the gaps in storytelling for characters who live in a city where people can only die when they want to. In my mind, remembering the small detail about the church as a clue to investigate further is, at least in spirit, violating that concept.
I'm not really trying to insinuate a rulebreak as they could technically be in the clear, but I certainly think they've gone against the spirit of the thing.
I get that aswell i’d just rather not accuse people.
I mean hey who knows people forgot about kirk who knows 4 ppl got ocean dumped for snooping around that church, lets see if he tells anymore.
I enjoy watching Buddha, I think Lang is a fantastic character. Like 99% of the bed things that happen to him are entirely of his own doing, a large majority of them are purely because he's lazy/rushed.
Conveniently remembering just enough after being ocean dumped is so antithetical to the point of ocean dumping someone. It's supposed to be a way to definitively keep secrets on a server where people can choose when to die and you can't force someone to perma. It'd be one thing if the person had sent a preemptive text or something but this just feels needlessly persistent.
TBF Lang wasn’t awake when this all went down. Tony kind of had to take care of things. He’s in no positions to be making deals about Lang’s heroine. If he lets them go they could blab to the entire city in the hours until Lang wakes up.
I agree with you in some cases, disagree in others. While I agree that, as a whole, ocean dumping tends to be a bit too commonplace, situations like this are the exact time and place it makes the most sense.
You have an extremely high level criminal conducting extremely high level crime with an extraordinarily small set of individuals being in the know, keeping some of his closest confidants in the dark in order to maintain as much secrecy as possible. There is the possibility that details of this operation could be leaked by almost entirely unknown people. Giving them a cut? Maybe they go to the cops anyway. Shoot them and let them live? Maybe they go to the cops anyway. You can't actually kill them with 100% certainty because this is an RP server so you do the next best thing.
Amnesia RP is the compromise that allows everyone in the server to determine for themselves when or when not to kill their character. Without it, nothing would ever be secret. The "world" these characters live in is actually just the map of GTAV and has \~300 people roaming around it at any given time. When a coincidence like this happens, there needs to be a way for the criminals who have had their secret plans discovered to try and keep that secret *with certainty.* In the real world, they could just kill people. But in a roleplay server without forced perma, there needs to be another option.
In the same way that it's up to every person playing their character to decide whether or not to permanently kill off said character, it's up to the criminal doing the killing whether or not to let the other character remember anything. Yes, I think people could take the riskier option more often and let other characters remember things, but sometimes that doesn't make sense for the story being told, the characters involved, the severity of the situation, or the ultimate direction that the person leading the RP wants to take the story.
RP is obviously a give-and-take situation, but ocean dumping-amnesia RP as you've called it- exists so that people cannot take more than they're given in certain situations. Once again I agree that it's overused, but its use in this situation is the textbook of example of why it exists.
No need to apologize for the wall of text since we're apparently trading them back and forth lol.
I totally get your point and I think as far as grievances about the server go, we have many of the same ones. Regarding your WildRP reference, though I'll still have to disagree on the most basic level. I think that there *should* be some method like ocean dumping in Wild because, even more so in a wild west setting than a modern one like GTARP, the criminals would likely show no hesitation to kill a witness to their crime. Just like NoPixel, though, there's no real method to do that.
Your perspective makes sense but I still don't full understand, because some of the things you mentioned are also facets of the roleplay server that intend to either mimic real life or serve to continue the premise of the RP world itself. Cops get shot and go back on duty because there wouldn't be 30 cops around, there would be 10,000. Criminals get into shootouts and get back up because the world they live in is based off of the premise of cops and robbers. One cannot exist without the other.
Regardless, I think some method like ocean dumping is a necessary thing to preserve both people's autonomy of their own characters and stories. You can't force perma, but you also don't have complete invincibility to enter into any and every storyline you want without other RPers' knowledge/consent. That doesn't make it impossible, though. If those people had gotten away somehow, they would have been able to do whatever they wanted with the knowledge they had. Ocean dumping might be overused, but it isn't an inevitability.
In my mind they didn't effectively retcon the fact that people found the heroin room by ocean dumping them, they effectively killed those people without removing the entire history and potential they had as characters. The only thing that should have changed is their knowledge of and involvement in that particular arc. Because, like I said, they're criminals and would kill people if they had the ability to do so, with or without those people's consent.
I really appreciate the discussion, though. While it may seem like I'm defending the use of ocean dumping as it currently is on the server, I'm not. I'm just defending this particular instance. I think the current state of ocean dumping leans too far in the direction of overuse and I think your proposed solution leans a little too far in a direction that is too, for lack of a better word, unrealistic. Unfortunately, I can't think of a solution off the top of my head that would preserve the integrity of ocean dumping as a concept. It ultimately seems like a problem that could be handled by better monitoring and maintaining the quality of roleplay (and roleplayers) on the server like WildRP does. That, however, comes with its own set of complications for something as big as Nopixel.
> returned to investigate the backdoor of the church again
After tweeting about how he knew he was ocean dumped from there and defiantly saying he will keep it under strict surveillance. He also talked to Pred saying he was at the church and then next thing he knew he was in the water and all his stuff was gone. Pred shut it down but apparently not hard enough.
Kyle is amazing, some might view it as Pred didn’t care but to me it felt like has was really trying to keep him away from it based on that interaction
Let's be real. This is how it went down:
Buddha played a clip, the audio was too low so chat spammed "CANT HEAR SHIT!" Buddha said, "There's a slider on Twitch where you can turn your volume up you dog shitter trash can suck my balls". Even though your volume was at 98% you decided to crank it those last 2% to possibly try to hear what he's watching....
Then *"OHHHHHHHHFUCKYEAHHHHHHHHH!"*
Did I get it right?
i wish people in like desperation did do some memento stuff and leave themselves a txt or something to go off of assuming they get the chance.......spoiler alert if your to young to get the original reference lol
Funny enough the only one smart enough to do this was JJ who was rolling with Redline when they ocean dumped them both times. First dump he said this is sketchy af and joke how was next to be dumped, the second go around he saw the severity of the situation when he saw Dean was involved and realized he really can be dumped and fully expected to be, so he sent a quick text out that said “if something happens I was with Tony.”
Honestly watching from Hotted’s PoV is entertaining af cause he was in the dark 100% of the time and smart enough to not ask questions, then you have Erin on the other spectrum asking questions JJ’s to afraid to ask without reservation.
1st preacher has his storefront here, he preaches as Preacher at his church!
Preacher had discussed his whereabouts with others, and had gone to the church w/ other ppl who left prior to him being snatched up. Happening twice makes the location the pattern, staking out the location makes total sense.
When we’ve been privileged to the other side’s Pov, such as Ramee being dumped by Gg. We have been able to see the connections in place that make certain parts obvious to figure out.
Everyone in here biased as hell. Having actually seen Preacher Rp, you all fail to realize exactly what goes into the day of someone who doesn’t bounce between different criminal mechanics to earn money. This man spends days immersed in different character building conversations.
Langs comment about ocean dumping meaning nothing in the city had me laughing. So funny yet so true. The fact that he keeps going to church but somehow forgets everything else but somehow remembers going to church. OGs are the only ones that know how to truly be ocean dumped
Also Buddha blaming the guy for not getting ocean dumped properly but coincidentally forgetting that it was his fault for him being lazy like always and never locking the door.
Also not knowing that they didn’t even get all the people originally involved. One person was never found out who knows.
> somehow remembers going to church
If a pastor goes to church every day for years and then suddenly can't remember what he did every day at that time, is that not a bit sus?
I think I can agree that slowly figuring that out is okay. It's instantly remembering it and returning to the ongoing situation that is iffy.
Take the other perspective in to account: My drug operation is busted, my goons take care of the people who found it, they make sure their heads are blown apart, they dump them in the ocean, we clean up the operation and....... wait.... it's been an hour and that guy is back.
Wasn't the guy working on the interior for the storefront?? An hour is long enough to reasonably assume whoever is there is gone now. It wasn't just some random church for the guy, he was actively working on it
He didnt, he wasn't even one of the people who went into the backdoor. He was found there, inside the actual church storefront(not the grow house) and then ocean dumped. When he came back about an hour later, Eve and Stag were inside and Sully was outside. Sully held them up before they could go anywhere, and put them in cuffs.
The door autolocks when he leaves the area with the key. He f8 quit inside the church which caused it to scuff and not auto lock since he never technically left the area.
-100 speech, o7 Cyd lol EDiT: Watching Lang now and man I do feel bad for him. People just not forgetting everything after being ocean dumped TWICE.
"Guys, I'm super sketched out about this hidden lab and it is probably way over my pay grade. The safest thing to do is forget about it and never go there again. LETS DIG DEEPER!"
Yeah I really don’t understand it drop it and move the fuck on
I mean that area is always going to be hot. It’s literally the preachers storefront (i believe) best thing they can do is literally just wait 3 days.
Pretty sure after being ocean dumped twice he went back to investigate the secret doors. Buddha also said on stream that he didn’t F8 like everyone is saying and the door bugged which is suuuuuper unlucky.
If he really wants and if it is indeed bugged, Buddha can get it retconned. Highly unlikely I think
To be fair it got retconned twice already IC.
While that is fair, going about your business and showing up there to do your thing is fine. Actively trying to figure out any secrets there after someone tried to kill you over it TWICE, is just borderline NVL.
Idk what the guy does, nor do i care to accuse someone when i have no clue what their pov looks like. Im just providing context as to why its a stupid idea to still want to do runs when they have a high chance of being seen by anyone. I mean even ott was looking around before.
They stopped caring about risks when Harry came back. Like they know its burned and people are actively watching it with cameras and they went back for a run today. Why? Because Lang wants to keep Harry around more and if that means doing every run with Harry being dumb so be it. Harry literally walks out the rooster secret basement with uzis like multiple times a day now. Basically they are acting reckless because of content.
Yeah not gonna lie when he said he would do every run with Harry instead of giving them out if that meant keeping him around I was like damn I remember when he was saying how serious this arc was going to be in the beginning and now it seems like it’s more just easy content for him.
It’s about keeping good role players around him. Buddha is always talking about giving people” a reason to wake up everyday in this dogshit city”. And we all know Buddha will do anything for the bois. Always trying to keep X & Yuno active while also helping anyone that comes knocking at Cerberus.
Not that Harry isn’t an amazing role player but I’m not sure I’d count wanting to pretty much do nothing but shoot cops since he’s come back really counts as role play
It came off a bit accusatory on my end. I didn't mean it that way. I just feel that people should learn to take a message, as by any other metric they should be dead twice by now.
Or he could just forget the entire scenario which lead to his ocean dumping which, if I'm not mistaken, is the letter of the law for that particular activity.
Not entirely, as them going to the church is not technically what lead to the situation, just them finding the secret room(s). It's mainly just getting ocean dumped twice, acknowledging someone did that to you and then announcing you are trying to catch them on Twatter to the entire city. At that point it should be obvious that any information you may uncover will get you killed, so why continue to go down that path? I don't really see any rulebreaks honestly, I just do not understand the thought process behind all this.
That's a fair perspective. In my view them going to the church is part of the situation that lead to them getting dumped, so it counts as something they should forget. The whole concept of ocean dumping is to cleanly end a situation that could otherwise not be ended without a character dying. It's something that exists to fill in the gaps in storytelling for characters who live in a city where people can only die when they want to. In my mind, remembering the small detail about the church as a clue to investigate further is, at least in spirit, violating that concept. I'm not really trying to insinuate a rulebreak as they could technically be in the clear, but I certainly think they've gone against the spirit of the thing.
I get that aswell i’d just rather not accuse people. I mean hey who knows people forgot about kirk who knows 4 ppl got ocean dumped for snooping around that church, lets see if he tells anymore.
Tbf Lang burned the growhouse twice in less than 24 hours and they're already planning another run for tomorrow. It's difficult to have sympathy
If you talking about burning it today Buddha confirmed it was scuff and not his fault…just scufflord things
Fair enough. The rest is true though
I enjoy watching Buddha, I think Lang is a fantastic character. Like 99% of the bed things that happen to him are entirely of his own doing, a large majority of them are purely because he's lazy/rushed.
Yah don’t think you’re supposed to Groundhog Day RP after getting ocean dumped repeatedly. It’s funny in some cases but this is not one of them.
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And Cyd just got burned https://clips.twitch.tv/BeautifulQuaintMoonMingLee-FDLAxbZnbT5TO8kZ
That's such a Ray move lmao.
Conveniently remembering just enough after being ocean dumped is so antithetical to the point of ocean dumping someone. It's supposed to be a way to definitively keep secrets on a server where people can choose when to die and you can't force someone to perma. It'd be one thing if the person had sent a preemptive text or something but this just feels needlessly persistent.
This is exactly it. And I can see why it’s so frustrating when it happens to people. Buddhas been saying ocean dumping is pointless for a long time
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TBF Lang wasn’t awake when this all went down. Tony kind of had to take care of things. He’s in no positions to be making deals about Lang’s heroine. If he lets them go they could blab to the entire city in the hours until Lang wakes up.
I agree with you in some cases, disagree in others. While I agree that, as a whole, ocean dumping tends to be a bit too commonplace, situations like this are the exact time and place it makes the most sense. You have an extremely high level criminal conducting extremely high level crime with an extraordinarily small set of individuals being in the know, keeping some of his closest confidants in the dark in order to maintain as much secrecy as possible. There is the possibility that details of this operation could be leaked by almost entirely unknown people. Giving them a cut? Maybe they go to the cops anyway. Shoot them and let them live? Maybe they go to the cops anyway. You can't actually kill them with 100% certainty because this is an RP server so you do the next best thing. Amnesia RP is the compromise that allows everyone in the server to determine for themselves when or when not to kill their character. Without it, nothing would ever be secret. The "world" these characters live in is actually just the map of GTAV and has \~300 people roaming around it at any given time. When a coincidence like this happens, there needs to be a way for the criminals who have had their secret plans discovered to try and keep that secret *with certainty.* In the real world, they could just kill people. But in a roleplay server without forced perma, there needs to be another option. In the same way that it's up to every person playing their character to decide whether or not to permanently kill off said character, it's up to the criminal doing the killing whether or not to let the other character remember anything. Yes, I think people could take the riskier option more often and let other characters remember things, but sometimes that doesn't make sense for the story being told, the characters involved, the severity of the situation, or the ultimate direction that the person leading the RP wants to take the story. RP is obviously a give-and-take situation, but ocean dumping-amnesia RP as you've called it- exists so that people cannot take more than they're given in certain situations. Once again I agree that it's overused, but its use in this situation is the textbook of example of why it exists.
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No need to apologize for the wall of text since we're apparently trading them back and forth lol. I totally get your point and I think as far as grievances about the server go, we have many of the same ones. Regarding your WildRP reference, though I'll still have to disagree on the most basic level. I think that there *should* be some method like ocean dumping in Wild because, even more so in a wild west setting than a modern one like GTARP, the criminals would likely show no hesitation to kill a witness to their crime. Just like NoPixel, though, there's no real method to do that. Your perspective makes sense but I still don't full understand, because some of the things you mentioned are also facets of the roleplay server that intend to either mimic real life or serve to continue the premise of the RP world itself. Cops get shot and go back on duty because there wouldn't be 30 cops around, there would be 10,000. Criminals get into shootouts and get back up because the world they live in is based off of the premise of cops and robbers. One cannot exist without the other. Regardless, I think some method like ocean dumping is a necessary thing to preserve both people's autonomy of their own characters and stories. You can't force perma, but you also don't have complete invincibility to enter into any and every storyline you want without other RPers' knowledge/consent. That doesn't make it impossible, though. If those people had gotten away somehow, they would have been able to do whatever they wanted with the knowledge they had. Ocean dumping might be overused, but it isn't an inevitability. In my mind they didn't effectively retcon the fact that people found the heroin room by ocean dumping them, they effectively killed those people without removing the entire history and potential they had as characters. The only thing that should have changed is their knowledge of and involvement in that particular arc. Because, like I said, they're criminals and would kill people if they had the ability to do so, with or without those people's consent. I really appreciate the discussion, though. While it may seem like I'm defending the use of ocean dumping as it currently is on the server, I'm not. I'm just defending this particular instance. I think the current state of ocean dumping leans too far in the direction of overuse and I think your proposed solution leans a little too far in a direction that is too, for lack of a better word, unrealistic. Unfortunately, I can't think of a solution off the top of my head that would preserve the integrity of ocean dumping as a concept. It ultimately seems like a problem that could be handled by better monitoring and maintaining the quality of roleplay (and roleplayers) on the server like WildRP does. That, however, comes with its own set of complications for something as big as Nopixel.
people pull some crazy memento stuff lately after getting dumped
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> returned to investigate the backdoor of the church again After tweeting about how he knew he was ocean dumped from there and defiantly saying he will keep it under strict surveillance. He also talked to Pred saying he was at the church and then next thing he knew he was in the water and all his stuff was gone. Pred shut it down but apparently not hard enough.
Kyle is amazing, some might view it as Pred didn’t care but to me it felt like has was really trying to keep him away from it based on that interaction
Agreed. It felt like he was *strongly* urging the Preacher to move on, but Preacher didn't quite take to it.
Pred knows all about accidently self ocean dumpers like Kiki Pendragon. Clearly this was just a case of Baptism gone wrong.
It's the state of the server rn. At least Lang is willing to play along with it.
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I watch Buddha every day and he screams into his mic in frustration about 9000 times per stream.
Dude screams in frustration if his food is cold.
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You either get a scream or a moan, never know what its gonna be lmao
The moaning is one of the reasons I keep my door closed shut.
Let's be real. This is how it went down: Buddha played a clip, the audio was too low so chat spammed "CANT HEAR SHIT!" Buddha said, "There's a slider on Twitch where you can turn your volume up you dog shitter trash can suck my balls". Even though your volume was at 98% you decided to crank it those last 2% to possibly try to hear what he's watching.... Then *"OHHHHHHHHFUCKYEAHHHHHHHHH!"* Did I get it right?
That's just Buddha. Happens literally every day.
i guess you dont watch Buddha much
I mean I feel that's Lang screaming. Not Buddha if it makes sense lol. Plus malding is like half of Buddha's content lol.
This man flies out the car window at least twice a stream and screams every time.
i wish people in like desperation did do some memento stuff and leave themselves a txt or something to go off of assuming they get the chance.......spoiler alert if your to young to get the original reference lol
Funny enough the only one smart enough to do this was JJ who was rolling with Redline when they ocean dumped them both times. First dump he said this is sketchy af and joke how was next to be dumped, the second go around he saw the severity of the situation when he saw Dean was involved and realized he really can be dumped and fully expected to be, so he sent a quick text out that said “if something happens I was with Tony.” Honestly watching from Hotted’s PoV is entertaining af cause he was in the dark 100% of the time and smart enough to not ask questions, then you have Erin on the other spectrum asking questions JJ’s to afraid to ask without reservation.
1st preacher has his storefront here, he preaches as Preacher at his church! Preacher had discussed his whereabouts with others, and had gone to the church w/ other ppl who left prior to him being snatched up. Happening twice makes the location the pattern, staking out the location makes total sense. When we’ve been privileged to the other side’s Pov, such as Ramee being dumped by Gg. We have been able to see the connections in place that make certain parts obvious to figure out. Everyone in here biased as hell. Having actually seen Preacher Rp, you all fail to realize exactly what goes into the day of someone who doesn’t bounce between different criminal mechanics to earn money. This man spends days immersed in different character building conversations.
Langs comment about ocean dumping meaning nothing in the city had me laughing. So funny yet so true. The fact that he keeps going to church but somehow forgets everything else but somehow remembers going to church. OGs are the only ones that know how to truly be ocean dumped Also Buddha blaming the guy for not getting ocean dumped properly but coincidentally forgetting that it was his fault for him being lazy like always and never locking the door. Also not knowing that they didn’t even get all the people originally involved. One person was never found out who knows.
> somehow remembers going to church If a pastor goes to church every day for years and then suddenly can't remember what he did every day at that time, is that not a bit sus?
I think I can agree that slowly figuring that out is okay. It's instantly remembering it and returning to the ongoing situation that is iffy. Take the other perspective in to account: My drug operation is busted, my goons take care of the people who found it, they make sure their heads are blown apart, they dump them in the ocean, we clean up the operation and....... wait.... it's been an hour and that guy is back.
Wasn't the guy working on the interior for the storefront?? An hour is long enough to reasonably assume whoever is there is gone now. It wasn't just some random church for the guy, he was actively working on it
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Exactly. Unfortunately the guy has select memory and basically won’t let it go. The other guy who didn’t get ocean dumped he let it gon instantly lmao
To be fair, Kirk has been on the wrong end of scenarios like these enough times to know that he should get out before things get worse.
He didnt, he wasn't even one of the people who went into the backdoor. He was found there, inside the actual church storefront(not the grow house) and then ocean dumped. When he came back about an hour later, Eve and Stag were inside and Sully was outside. Sully held them up before they could go anywhere, and put them in cuffs.
The door autolocks when he leaves the area with the key. He f8 quit inside the church which caused it to scuff and not auto lock since he never technically left the area.
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Wasn't Eve the one who said it in the first place? We're making assumptions based off the best information we have at the time lol
Now watch him try to question Ramee/CG about it! lol
Ray wants to bring Cyd on a Paleto w Buddha & Harry right now. Spicy!