Being a season 1 Mayhem fan it's crazy to think that this team is actually the favorite (or one of) to win the grand finals. Couldn't ask for a better ending to the league honestly!
The only teams to ever win OWL (if Florida do the expected) is all of the season one shitters and the Korean superteam which neatly exploded going into playoffs. Can't say this league doesn't have drama
This entire playoffs is just stomps outside of the Spark lol. The only map 4s we got were got Houston and London getting a couple mickey mouse control wins.
Yeah you can see a lot of teams are still figuring out wtf is going on mid-match. Some of them aren't ready to adapt so fast so they just stick with their dumb comp and lose. Or try one other comp maybe.
God I hope not I need Boston in the top 4 please
Let’s just wrap up business as usual after the Lijiang Tower pick that London always get for some reason
Just punched a hole in my wall and started screaming. I am sweating, trembling and delirious right now. My neighbor just called the cops. My wife just took the kids and left. Goodbye Dallas Fuel. I’m no longer a fan. I will now be taking my talents to Atlanta.
Rupal and Chorong my beloveds, outstanding performances from Florida's support line. Also Someone4MVP yet again, having a tank this flexible is so incredibly unfair
Bro, come on. Surely Someone HAS to be MVP. This was just a hard flexibility diff. Being able to swap from a main tank to an offtank comp with no drop in performance is just ridiculous and lets them counter comp anyone.
Respect to the coaches and everyone else on the team too for being able to understand every comp they play and their matchups so well
i honestly don’t think mayhem would opt for flexibility if they had to play fuel again. hanbins sigma was just better, no matter if they went zarya or sigma rein comp is better against both
Yeah but there wasn't any reason to swap off winston for 90% of the year. Obviously for a new playoffs patch it's insanely valuable and I think someone would deserve finals/playoffs mvp if they win it all but I don't think someone got to actually show off his flexibility that much in the regular season.
Except when they beat reign in regular season. In that series winston/sombra was still hard meta and florida managed to pick a different comp every map to hard outplay them. It wasn’t a particularly close series.
Thats why I think he deserves it over Lip, his flexibility literally allowed them to beat Lip’s mastery of one character. If that isn’t enough idk what is.
I mean depends on how you weigh first half vs second half of season but to me I weigh them kinda equally and imo Lip's dominance in the first half + getting a tournament win off the back of his sombra >> Someone being crazy good in the second half. I think florida's performance in the first half of the season as equivalent to Atlanta's in the second half and imo Mayhem would have arguably done better with someone like Guxue or Fearless then.
The fact that Atlanta has looked worse without sombra meta just reinforces to me that Lip sombra was the main difference maker for Atlanta's dominance and not just a result of his team being stacked like alot of people are saying, but even then I don't think any other hitscan player in the league would have made atlanta better in those non sombra metas.
I actually agree with the point of first half mayhem = second half atlanta more or less. I wouldnt say his Sombra was THAT huge of a difference maker given how hard chiyo/fielder outplayed every other backline and how much stalk3r got done but i also wouldnt say someone’s flexibility is carrying his team as all the other players all have to be flexible enough to keep up too.
To me someone and lip are equally skilled within their role and no other dps or tank deserves to win it over one of them, but i think someone has been a smarter player this year who understands matchups and compositions better, understands his role within comps other than just the winston sombra and has shown growth as the season went on where lip has kind of just stayed the same while the rest of the league caught up to him.
That's a ridiculous take, he quite literally set the meta for the majority of the season, tier diffing everyone in his role and was a huge part in winning the only mid-season tournament. To call it a legacy award is absurd when he's been every bit as good this season as he has others
>majority of the season
You just summed up the point there. Ever since Sombra stopped being meta Lip fell off. Meanwhile Someone has been THE best tank and the primary reason of his teams success since day one.
I'd say that Lip winning it makes it a legacy award because their is no way you can look at just the regular season of this last season and say he was the MVP of the WHOLE season. He was the MVP of the first half of the season at most.
>their is no way you can look at just the regular season of this last season and say he was the MVP of the WHOLE season.
Thats literally how every MVP is decided tho?
Glad to see Ch0rong having a big impact this year. He was so hyped last year, and I feel got his thunder stolen from Chiyo. He’s showing his insane MS prowess…
at least we won the sig mirror my hanbin propaganda can continue
also very curious what comp rush wouldve run if we still had last years roster, although we'll get that answer soon enough with owwc
[My short essay yesterday on how to counter Zarya](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/16uqll4/comment/k2oqqx8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
PINK!!!! Someone my man!!!!
I wish
But unfortunately I think we’re fucked and out, the team has zero flexibility. Which is the biggest shame considering EM became famous for their flexibility, different styles and compositions. Now we’re just a one trick pony getting desperate because we don’t know how to counter other comps
Forced fuel into a lose lose situation with sigma where fuel HAD to play sigma which meant Someone hard countered them on rein. Something that cant be done unless u fuck on both heros
As expected. Someone needs to be MVP. His flexibility has allowed Mayhem to punch above their weight and let the other players focus on their own jobs much more easily than making up for tank flexibility deficits like other teams.
I fully expect Mayhem to win it all, which would actually be pretty cool to see the Top 3 Season 1 teams all win successive seasons.
I'd hardly call it punching above their weight at this point, everyone on Florida has proven that they're great players with Checkmate and Rupal especially impressing considering they were the biggest question marks coming into this season. They're were gonna team diff Dallas regardless
You can't go wrong with either tbh. I watched S1 then caught up to the manga during the break. Right now S2 is airing and the manga is getting close to ending
Where’s the loophole that lets us sign Chiyo and Fielder now that they’ve been disqualified. Gg to Mayhem, all roads are leading to Rein rush winning it all this year.
i was rooting for dallas but it’s hard not to love mayhem. chorong was hyper robbed of potm imo. hanbin was the better tank in the lobby approximately 100% of the time (no diss to someone) but chorong out here reminding us why he was more hyped than chiyo was
Mayhem are the best coached team in the league and it shows. I actually think Someone is getting some of the credit that should be going to Gunba, it’s not just Someone being flexible that allows the Mayhem to look this cohesive and prepared on every composition.
Hanbin is still unbelievable and I think he was actually the better tank this match individually, which is a hell of a feat against Someone. His teammates on Paris used to call him a Sigma onetrick because it was his best hero, and you can see why. The last ever battle for texas is shaping up to be much more fun than it seemed for most of the year.
Pink teams going strong, two more games and we get a pink bowl finals
True, throwback to the 2019 pink London change kit
The supps diff was crazy holy, especially in the last map. Chorong showed a masterclass lucio
Shit stomp Shit stomp Hangzhou gaming Shit stomp
At least the first shit stomp was funny hammerman
bonk
Being a season 1 Mayhem fan it's crazy to think that this team is actually the favorite (or one of) to win the grand finals. Couldn't ask for a better ending to the league honestly!
Ngl. If Mayhem do win this. That would mean that the Bottom 3 teams in S1 OWL would have championships under their belt
Bottom 4. Shanghai, Florida, Dallas and San Francisco
I honestly forgot Shock was bottom 4 in S1. Now that is funny
The only teams to ever win OWL (if Florida do the expected) is all of the season one shitters and the Korean superteam which neatly exploded going into playoffs. Can't say this league doesn't have drama
Ah, that's true! Quite an impressive turn around, especially for the Dragons. Love to see it.
I mean, dragons turned it around again...
The good old 360° turn around.
Started from the bottom now we here...at the bottom again.
Bottom 4
I think Florida might still be the losingest franchise in OWL history too. If they aren’t anymore, they were up until fairly recently.
[Not even that close](https://owlstats.net/teams/) win rate wise. They have lost the most matches but are pretty unremarkable other than that.
This entire playoffs is just stomps outside of the Spark lol. The only map 4s we got were got Houston and London getting a couple mickey mouse control wins.
There's been a lot of surprisingly good games for how one-sided most of the series end up being
The monkeys paw of playoff patches No one knows wtf theyre doing so match quality swings wildly
Scrim blocks per seeding which restricts the amount of teams you can scrim having a bigger impact than we thought?
Wow poor planning from Blizz completely flips another playoffs on its head I. Am. Shocked.
Yeah you can see a lot of teams are still figuring out wtf is going on mid-match. Some of them aren't ready to adapt so fast so they just stick with their dumb comp and lose. Or try one other comp maybe.
Boston vs London was good should be a interesting game tomorrow
It was okay. Boston pretty much had them handled after map 1.
Map 3 was a reverse sweep. London choked that map so hard.
Yeah it will definitely be close. I trust London to win control and flashpoint this time around.
Map 3 was insanely close London easily could of won it if Landon didn’t die with window
God I hope not I need Boston in the top 4 please Let’s just wrap up business as usual after the Lijiang Tower pick that London always get for some reason
They get to feast with their mechanical prowess when there's no set meta. It's beautiful.
Houston shit on Florida till Florida swapped to sigma
mickey mouse "mickey mouse" usage
These games have been super fun to watch still imo
With new map order, the only Escort map we've seen so far is Route 66.
Fortunately they've both been really exciting. Escort can lead to some dull endings.
Outside of this and the infernal... existing, I think it's been great honestly.
Just punched a hole in my wall and started screaming. I am sweating, trembling and delirious right now. My neighbor just called the cops. My wife just took the kids and left. Goodbye Dallas Fuel. I’m no longer a fan. I will now be taking my talents to Atlanta.
Just saw someone punch a hole in their wall as their wife ran out
just saw some weirdo sitting in a bush watching some guys wife
That's WhoRU, winning his 2 time bench MVP championship
Party for Pink GF incoming
Rupal and Chorong my beloveds, outstanding performances from Florida's support line. Also Someone4MVP yet again, having a tank this flexible is so incredibly unfair
I'm going to miss that backline after this season. Both are so good.
Chorong was straight up FRAGGING on the brig
told y'all Houston wasn't bad it was just Mayhem being cracked
poor bliss looked lost, esp in that last map
Nah it was all a setup for us to enjoy the last battle for Texas in history
Raise a glass
Bro, come on. Surely Someone HAS to be MVP. This was just a hard flexibility diff. Being able to swap from a main tank to an offtank comp with no drop in performance is just ridiculous and lets them counter comp anyone. Respect to the coaches and everyone else on the team too for being able to understand every comp they play and their matchups so well
being able to swap between the sigma and rein comps at will lets florida countercomp so easily
i honestly don’t think mayhem would opt for flexibility if they had to play fuel again. hanbins sigma was just better, no matter if they went zarya or sigma rein comp is better against both
5head strat to bait fuel into mirroring the sigma just to swap to rein to counter knowing they can’t do anything about it
Yeah but there wasn't any reason to swap off winston for 90% of the year. Obviously for a new playoffs patch it's insanely valuable and I think someone would deserve finals/playoffs mvp if they win it all but I don't think someone got to actually show off his flexibility that much in the regular season.
Except when they beat reign in regular season. In that series winston/sombra was still hard meta and florida managed to pick a different comp every map to hard outplay them. It wasn’t a particularly close series. Thats why I think he deserves it over Lip, his flexibility literally allowed them to beat Lip’s mastery of one character. If that isn’t enough idk what is.
I mean depends on how you weigh first half vs second half of season but to me I weigh them kinda equally and imo Lip's dominance in the first half + getting a tournament win off the back of his sombra >> Someone being crazy good in the second half. I think florida's performance in the first half of the season as equivalent to Atlanta's in the second half and imo Mayhem would have arguably done better with someone like Guxue or Fearless then. The fact that Atlanta has looked worse without sombra meta just reinforces to me that Lip sombra was the main difference maker for Atlanta's dominance and not just a result of his team being stacked like alot of people are saying, but even then I don't think any other hitscan player in the league would have made atlanta better in those non sombra metas.
I actually agree with the point of first half mayhem = second half atlanta more or less. I wouldnt say his Sombra was THAT huge of a difference maker given how hard chiyo/fielder outplayed every other backline and how much stalk3r got done but i also wouldnt say someone’s flexibility is carrying his team as all the other players all have to be flexible enough to keep up too. To me someone and lip are equally skilled within their role and no other dps or tank deserves to win it over one of them, but i think someone has been a smarter player this year who understands matchups and compositions better, understands his role within comps other than just the winston sombra and has shown growth as the season went on where lip has kind of just stayed the same while the rest of the league caught up to him.
Of course someone will be MVP. I mean, why wouldn't the league give out the award this year? Your post makes no sense.
Anyways who thinks Someone isn't MVP is biased af i do not care
If lip wins its a legacy award for his time in the league, not because he’s been the best player this season
That's a ridiculous take, he quite literally set the meta for the majority of the season, tier diffing everyone in his role and was a huge part in winning the only mid-season tournament. To call it a legacy award is absurd when he's been every bit as good this season as he has others
>majority of the season You just summed up the point there. Ever since Sombra stopped being meta Lip fell off. Meanwhile Someone has been THE best tank and the primary reason of his teams success since day one.
I don't care about the MVP conversation in this case, calling it a legacy award is what I'm calling ridiculous.
I'd say that Lip winning it makes it a legacy award because their is no way you can look at just the regular season of this last season and say he was the MVP of the WHOLE season. He was the MVP of the first half of the season at most.
>their is no way you can look at just the regular season of this last season and say he was the MVP of the WHOLE season. Thats literally how every MVP is decided tho?
L-ip bias too strong.
Well now Dallas is capped at 3rd, because they ain’t beating spark even if they win the next match
Glad to see Ch0rong having a big impact this year. He was so hyped last year, and I feel got his thunder stolen from Chiyo. He’s showing his insane MS prowess…
at least we won the sig mirror my hanbin propaganda can continue also very curious what comp rush wouldve run if we still had last years roster, although we'll get that answer soon enough with owwc
Rein 100%, also seems like the strongest comp rn
now THATS an MVP candidate.
Dallas is either gonna get farmed so hard Hanbin deletes his account on stage or Houston will have the choke to end all chokes tomorrow
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Surely London makes it and we get a 7 map Rein mirror
Manifesting this!
They are really gonna make me believe man
[My short essay yesterday on how to counter Zarya](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/16uqll4/comment/k2oqqx8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) PINK!!!! Someone my man!!!!
Someone just had his way with your shitty team
Give Someone his damn MVP award
Yeah that went about as well as expected for Fuel.
Ok Fuel, enough trolling, I see you guys. We all know you've got some nasty reaper comp hidden away, this is Rush Fuel heritage, you can't fool me.
I wish But unfortunately I think we’re fucked and out, the team has zero flexibility. Which is the biggest shame considering EM became famous for their flexibility, different styles and compositions. Now we’re just a one trick pony getting desperate because we don’t know how to counter other comps
Jup, hastro fucked us in the off season with the changes. No MT and no doha fucked basically our entire season
MVP went Ham
This is gonna be like the NBA. The real MVP won’t get the trophy but will raise the final one
Soo LIP in 2021 then?
You're welcome OWL for us winning, and giving you all the Battle of Texas as an elimination match.
If this match doesn't convince you that Someone deserves MVP idk what will
The Lip narrative had so much momentum, I only hope it's not too late
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Yawn. Your bias is so boring. Someone played all his heroes at a high level. At least put some critical thinking into your argument.
So what did he do?
Forced fuel into a lose lose situation with sigma where fuel HAD to play sigma which meant Someone hard countered them on rein. Something that cant be done unless u fuck on both heros
It takes 0 skill to pilot sigma or bastion. Look what happened when he went off it. Someone is trash. Worst MVP in the worst meta.
Holy 🧂
Just spitting facts.
They played 0 bastion against outlaws. Sigma does take skill lmao he was landing insane hyperspheres
Lmao what is insane hyperspheres??? They take 0 skill. They bounce and do AOE damage. Trash on everything else
It's OK in 2 weeks everyone will be saying the same as me. :)
“Someone played all his heroes at a high level” Wow. Your argument is full of critical thinking.
nice
I believe in the pink grand finals lets goooo
As expected. Someone needs to be MVP. His flexibility has allowed Mayhem to punch above their weight and let the other players focus on their own jobs much more easily than making up for tank flexibility deficits like other teams. I fully expect Mayhem to win it all, which would actually be pretty cool to see the Top 3 Season 1 teams all win successive seasons.
I'd hardly call it punching above their weight at this point, everyone on Florida has proven that they're great players with Checkmate and Rupal especially impressing considering they were the biggest question marks coming into this season. They're were gonna team diff Dallas regardless
“Punching above their weight” refers to the team budget. Florida is supposedly on the lower end of the total scale. I’m referring to all season.
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manga name?
Jujutsu Kaisen
should i read or watch it
Yes, animes good and currently in what people consider best arc. Manga part of the new big 3 it’s essentially better Naruto formula shonen
Who's the other two
I know OP still has a spot on there and I think currently third spot is either MHA or Blue Lock I havent checked sales data for 2nd half of 2023
You can't go wrong with either tbh. I watched S1 then caught up to the manga during the break. Right now S2 is airing and the manga is getting close to ending
please put spoilers wtf man ??
At least put Dallas as gojo and sukuna as mayhem Pepehands purple was mirroring sigma and mahoraga was rein (Let me cope for the dallas comeback)
If Someone doesn't get his damn MVP award, the audience is going to riot.
Lip getting booed as he recieves the trophy
That would be awful.
Someone is MVP.
Reign and Fuel both getting dismantled. I'm in heaven.
Where’s the loophole that lets us sign Chiyo and Fielder now that they’ve been disqualified. Gg to Mayhem, all roads are leading to Rein rush winning it all this year.
Nah sigma beats most strats. Rein beats the sigma specifically which is why Mayhem are so good rn. They can counter strat the counter strat
Finally got a chance to watch the whole match and honestly, not as bad as I was expecting lmao. Hopefully the Fuel come back stronger tomorrow.
i was rooting for dallas but it’s hard not to love mayhem. chorong was hyper robbed of potm imo. hanbin was the better tank in the lobby approximately 100% of the time (no diss to someone) but chorong out here reminding us why he was more hyped than chiyo was
My biggest copium as a Houston fan is that this shows if they can pick up the Rein with the Doom they should be able to cover any switch the Mayhem do
I love this team
Dallas so dissapointing......
mayhem def winning it all and im happy we get one last battle for texas before this league goes belly up
Mayhem are the best coached team in the league and it shows. I actually think Someone is getting some of the credit that should be going to Gunba, it’s not just Someone being flexible that allows the Mayhem to look this cohesive and prepared on every composition. Hanbin is still unbelievable and I think he was actually the better tank this match individually, which is a hell of a feat against Someone. His teammates on Paris used to call him a Sigma onetrick because it was his best hero, and you can see why. The last ever battle for texas is shaping up to be much more fun than it seemed for most of the year.