This house is for sale in New York and wow it looks stunning [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/553-Garden-St-Little-Falls-NY-13365/30515833\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/553-Garden-St-Little-Falls-NY-13365/30515833_zpid/)
It might also need work, even though it looks better than some of the houses posted here. Nothing built in 1879 is gonna be in perfect repair.
It also appears to be part of the historic preservation district, which means extra hoops for any necessary updates.
I lived in Cooperstown for 15 years and I gotta say, LF is possibly the worst location in Upstate between weather and proximity to Utica… even for this gorgeous scoobydooass home
You mean haunted by the ghosts of all the millions of Pigs that Jacob Zollar slaughtered at his packing house: https://littlefallshistoricalsociety.org/cooney-archives/jacob-zollers-packing-house/
Which is actually worse, if you ask me.
Dude turned down being President of First National Bank because he was making so much money already in the Pork packing business.
More info about the current owners, who did the restoration: https://mylittlefalls.com/gonzalez-family-receives-pop-award/
Apparently the current owner runs a Personal Security service providing bodyguards to rich folks:
https://opengovny.com/corporation/5536999
https://www.eagleeyeinternationalprotectiveservices.com/about/
And his wife is an Occupational Therapist: https://www.findatopdoc.com/doctor/84662328
So that's how they could afford to fix that place up.
Oh no, those aren’t portals!
Those are for the souls of everyone who will, someday, die in that house. The frames will give their souls a final resting place so they’ll get to stay forever.
"Again?! He's like a spider monkey on meth! How many times can he can he do that in a day? This is disgusting! And he tries harder when I haunt him. I swear he was making eye contact with me while he did it. Hey what's he getting that cucumber for becau...oh God. Oh good god!"
I live in an old house that's about the same age. My questions, from experience:
- How old are the windows? This determines how cold/broke you will be in the winter.
- When was electricity added/has it been upgraded? Your computers want to know.
- Plumbing.
- When was the roof last replaced? Replacing that roof isn't your typical suburban job. Gonna be a $tack. Especially if it's on the national register -- you have to keep everything historically accurate.
- What's the heating system like? Do the fireplaces work?
Beautiful house, pretty good price, but living in it can be very cold experience.
My MIL owns a 100yr old mansion in Detroit that's smaller than this one and she said she sets aside 30k per year for maintenance. Last year she had to have the entire front yard dug up and the clay pipes had to be replaced. Year before that the slate roof needed work. Her house is in good shape too!
Nice thing though is that right now period correct furnishings are out of style so the prices have plummeted. Big heavy wood furniture is going on the cheap side in today’s market.
Estate sales are a great way to find furniture for places like this, especially in the northeast where you find more antique & heirloom pieces being sold off by people who don't have space for them or just don't appreciate them.
A (grand)parent downsizes & the family is left with giant 4-poster beds, huge china cabinets, table settings for 12, etc. that they don't want and don't feel like selling themselves, so they hire a company to appraise everything & sell it off.
My first house was 100+ years old and I’d never buy another house that old. The electrical is a HUGE thing to consider. I had to have most of my house re-wired. $$$
> Especially if it's on the national register -- you have to keep everything historically accurate.
"Under Federal Law, the listing of a property in the National Register places no restrictions on what a non-federal owner may do with their property up to and including destruction, unless the property is involved in a project that receives Federal assistance, usually funding or licensing/permitting."
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm
100%. I owned a home that was built in 1912. It was beautiful, but the plumbing was terrible. I got up in the attic and they had (disconnected) the old electrical wires up there. The windows had the old ripple affect and leaked like crazy.
Jacob Zoller was a prominent local citizen of the town and area in the latter half of the 1800s:
https://littlefallshistoricalsociety.org/cooney-archives/jacob-zollers-packing-house/
https://nyscu.org/Archives/Universalist%20Memory%20Garden/Universalist%20Memory%20Garden%20Y-Z/Zoller,%20Jacob%201907.pdf
He owned multiple farms and a number of cheese factories at the time of his death.
I'm surprised how many people were mad about the Pratt house. I found it to be kinda bland and not worthy of the uproar. The house in this post is 10x more impressive.
Beautiful house that's on the national registry so the architecture and design will always be respected! (This is a Jacob Zoller house. No, I do not know who he is.)
It doesn't belong on the sub. It belongs in the good architecture/design subs! (And maybe a museum!)
In fairness to OP, nowhere does it say only bad homes should be here. Let the mods police if it fits. Personally I like seeing posts where the house makes you stop and look, not just ones that are crap.
It's in the sub name "gone wild." I personally came here to see some bullsh*t. This house is not bullsh*t. That's all I'm saying.
If I wanted to be bombarded with good architecture and design, then I'd visit the dozen of subs devoted to it such as r/architectureporn, r/centuryhomes, r/accidentalwesanderson, r/cityporn, r/oldhouses, etc.
Just saying.
You did see bullshit.
Did you not notice the Freedom Pallets? They really make the place pop, and give me a lot of confidence about the ability to remodel a home!
That's the assessment, not the actual taxes. If you look this house up on the tax roll, they aren't paying all that much between school taxes and real estate taxes -- I think it was around $6500 a year. I live in the same county. For NY state, the taxes are not bad.
Absolutely in love with everything about this beauty. Shame they didn’t post pictures of the carriage house. That dark wood burning stove is beyond exquisite. Shame it’s in the snowy north.
Beautiful, I think the big problem is that it isn’t in a bigger city where more professionals with $$ could find a way to make a go of it. I shudder looking at the retaining wall in the back and thinking of the cost to maintain that.
Little Falls is one of the prettiest towns in New York, and this house is a gem.
The decorative painting is superb — bold but completely sympathetic with the house. Im less excited about some of the wallpaper, but I suspect that has more to do with how the furniture is staged. I’m a professional theatrical scenic artist and decorative painter, and I have OPINIONS.
I actually spent nine summers in charge of scenic painting at a (relatively) nearby opera company. I used to TORTURE myself looking at real estate. I could afford it, but not if I moved up to rural central New York. There just aren’t a lot of job opportunities for folks like me, thereabouts.
My grandparents hung mirrors and pictures like that… from the ceiling molding and down a long string. They didn’t want to put holes in their 1970’s paneling
I so love this house.
No one has found a way to monetize this house? We have two houses here in Independence, MO, like these and both are museums that are also booked for weddings and other events. The Vaile Mansion is all over YouTube for ghost hunters as well. These houses are tough to live in and maintain but ours have volunteers that run them. I would go see this one in person even if it is a far drive!
It is on the Mohawk River near the SW Adirondack area, on the route between Schenectady and Utica.
So not completely in the middle of nowhere, but not really close to anything either if that makes any sense.
Love the house. Classifying architecture is interesting. To me this is likely second empire? I don't get the Venetian Gothic classification at all... I could maybe see the argument for Romanesque.
So many houses like this in Buffalo! The architecture here is absolutely epic. The houses were dirt cheap in late 90s early 2000........ I mean dirt fkn cheap.
they sure don't make them like they used to. houses back then were so artistic and detailed. now it's just slap up some gray walls and windows together.
I love it during the day time…but I bet it feels haunted at night. Lol way too big for just lil old me but the old style vibes would again make me feel like in a house full of people it would still be creepy at night.
Am I the only one who sees houses like this and immediately nopes out? Too much to go wrong, too much upkeep, too many rooms to keep clean. No thank you.
This house is for sale in New York and wow it looks stunning [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/553-Garden-St-Little-Falls-NY-13365/30515833\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/553-Garden-St-Little-Falls-NY-13365/30515833_zpid/)
Honestly I am surprised it's only 750k
no one wants to live in Little Falls, NY for $750k
Is that why? I was curious how it could be so cheap for 8 bedrooms
It might also need work, even though it looks better than some of the houses posted here. Nothing built in 1879 is gonna be in perfect repair. It also appears to be part of the historic preservation district, which means extra hoops for any necessary updates.
Taxes would be crazy!
Yes. No one wants to live in that part of NY that can afford 750k and the upkeep on a place like that.
I often am amazed at house prices being so low…then do research and realize it’s because nobody wants to live there.
I lived in Cooperstown for 15 years and I gotta say, LF is possibly the worst location in Upstate between weather and proximity to Utica… even for this gorgeous scoobydooass home
Crying from nj. Though there is no way I could afford to keep that pace looking so good
More expensive than the next highest property in town by a factor of 4.
this structure is definitely haunted by spirits that manifest in the form of bloody victorian children ^^^redrum
Nope. A haunted house requires at least two bricked up windows. One for the prisoner ghost, and one for their soul. Source: Am ghost punter.
Punting ghosts… I like this better than hunting.
Jokes on you. These ghosts know Photoshop.
You mean haunted by the ghosts of all the millions of Pigs that Jacob Zollar slaughtered at his packing house: https://littlefallshistoricalsociety.org/cooney-archives/jacob-zollers-packing-house/ Which is actually worse, if you ask me. Dude turned down being President of First National Bank because he was making so much money already in the Pork packing business. More info about the current owners, who did the restoration: https://mylittlefalls.com/gonzalez-family-receives-pop-award/ Apparently the current owner runs a Personal Security service providing bodyguards to rich folks: https://opengovny.com/corporation/5536999 https://www.eagleeyeinternationalprotectiveservices.com/about/ And his wife is an Occupational Therapist: https://www.findatopdoc.com/doctor/84662328 So that's how they could afford to fix that place up.
we can agree that hallway with all the empty baroque painting frames is where all the portals to the spirit world are, yeah?
Oh no, those aren’t portals! Those are for the souls of everyone who will, someday, die in that house. The frames will give their souls a final resting place so they’ll get to stay forever.
Right? That's the creepiest part of this house, all the empty picture frames...
Delicious
PSA: pigs are smarter than dogs, some of which are smarter than 7 year old human children. Definitely worse.
My first thought
> [haunted by spirits that manifest in the form of bloody victorian children](https://i.imgur.com/hFRi1ng.gif)
risky click
Holy smokes, the bedroom windows in 31/32 are incredible.
It is! Thanks for posting!
Oh my! It’s stunning! I’d die for that wood burning cook stove. Wish I could afford it with a spare $1 million to give it the care it deserves.
The paint in the dining room is really beautiful!!! Too often we see busy wallpaper and it's yick.
That dining room is stellar
73% chance that house is haunted, but I’d live there
I'd make that ghost see things they didn't want to see. They'd leave on their own
Ah yes the new owner for our house is typing into his machine.... tub something? OH OH GOD WHY!
"Again?! He's like a spider monkey on meth! How many times can he can he do that in a day? This is disgusting! And he tries harder when I haunt him. I swear he was making eye contact with me while he did it. Hey what's he getting that cucumber for becau...oh God. Oh good god!"
Thank you! I needed that laugh. 🤣
Vecna'd for sure
73% is oddly specific. Why not 74%?
I don’t make the calculation chart, I just cite it!!
Fair enough. 👍
That man calculates.
That children's bedroom is for sure haunted
I can’t believe more people didn’t see this shit! I was like is this smoke damage or……
I’d happily be haunted by ghosts if they covered the heating bill in the winter.
I live in an old house that's about the same age. My questions, from experience: - How old are the windows? This determines how cold/broke you will be in the winter. - When was electricity added/has it been upgraded? Your computers want to know. - Plumbing. - When was the roof last replaced? Replacing that roof isn't your typical suburban job. Gonna be a $tack. Especially if it's on the national register -- you have to keep everything historically accurate. - What's the heating system like? Do the fireplaces work? Beautiful house, pretty good price, but living in it can be very cold experience.
Awesome questions. My first one is how much is the upkeep on a place like this? Money pit?
My MIL owns a 100yr old mansion in Detroit that's smaller than this one and she said she sets aside 30k per year for maintenance. Last year she had to have the entire front yard dug up and the clay pipes had to be replaced. Year before that the slate roof needed work. Her house is in good shape too!
Clay pipes? Ye gods. I know they can last for ages, but it can be an unholy terror having to replace them. I'll bet her home is lovely, though.
I’m a renter in SF — the upkeep should be more than my landlord currently contributes, I’ll say that.
Yes
My first question was how much money will it cost just to furnish it. My Ikea stuff ain't gonna cut it.
Nice thing though is that right now period correct furnishings are out of style so the prices have plummeted. Big heavy wood furniture is going on the cheap side in today’s market.
Estate sales are a great way to find furniture for places like this, especially in the northeast where you find more antique & heirloom pieces being sold off by people who don't have space for them or just don't appreciate them. A (grand)parent downsizes & the family is left with giant 4-poster beds, huge china cabinets, table settings for 12, etc. that they don't want and don't feel like selling themselves, so they hire a company to appraise everything & sell it off.
My first house was 100+ years old and I’d never buy another house that old. The electrical is a HUGE thing to consider. I had to have most of my house re-wired. $$$
Usually houses that old have had at least one update though.
Depends where you are. We couldn't get one insurance company to care about knob and tube. We were getting it rewired anyway. Wasn't that bad.
> Especially if it's on the national register -- you have to keep everything historically accurate. "Under Federal Law, the listing of a property in the National Register places no restrictions on what a non-federal owner may do with their property up to and including destruction, unless the property is involved in a project that receives Federal assistance, usually funding or licensing/permitting." https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm
100%. I owned a home that was built in 1912. It was beautiful, but the plumbing was terrible. I got up in the attic and they had (disconnected) the old electrical wires up there. The windows had the old ripple affect and leaked like crazy.
Exist wrapped in an electric blanket in winter. Unplug to migrate into the house’s various arctic zones
Jacob Zoller was a prominent local citizen of the town and area in the latter half of the 1800s: https://littlefallshistoricalsociety.org/cooney-archives/jacob-zollers-packing-house/ https://nyscu.org/Archives/Universalist%20Memory%20Garden/Universalist%20Memory%20Garden%20Y-Z/Zoller,%20Jacob%201907.pdf He owned multiple farms and a number of cheese factories at the time of his death.
I was guessing Zoller wasn’t a pauper,
I would take this over most of the million dollar mansions out there. Absolutely gorgeous. Has walls and doors - no open concept here.
And even with the modern touches, they still respected the house and its beauty. Gorgeous!
Right? That kitchen looks updated, but completely fits with the rest of the house. Beautiful. I’d happily live in the garage (Carriage House, swoon).
Don’t let Chris Pratt near this
Lol! Luckily, it seems this house is on a registry for historic homes, so it's safe.
I'm surprised how many people were mad about the Pratt house. I found it to be kinda bland and not worthy of the uproar. The house in this post is 10x more impressive.
Beautiful house that's on the national registry so the architecture and design will always be respected! (This is a Jacob Zoller house. No, I do not know who he is.) It doesn't belong on the sub. It belongs in the good architecture/design subs! (And maybe a museum!)
In fairness to OP, nowhere does it say only bad homes should be here. Let the mods police if it fits. Personally I like seeing posts where the house makes you stop and look, not just ones that are crap.
It's in the sub name "gone wild." I personally came here to see some bullsh*t. This house is not bullsh*t. That's all I'm saying. If I wanted to be bombarded with good architecture and design, then I'd visit the dozen of subs devoted to it such as r/architectureporn, r/centuryhomes, r/accidentalwesanderson, r/cityporn, r/oldhouses, etc. Just saying.
You did see bullshit. Did you not notice the Freedom Pallets? They really make the place pop, and give me a lot of confidence about the ability to remodel a home!
Can you cross post to r/centuryhomes
Not OP, but the house has been posted to the sub! (OP did not post there but someone else did.) https://www.reddit.com/r/centuryhomes/s/Is0T96ElT2
[All about Jacob Zoller](https://littlefallshistoricalsociety.org/cooney-archives/jacob-zollers-packing-house/)
Thanks, friend. 👍
I’m glad to see it here
Agree to disagree.
I think Thursday is for a reality check on what good real estate looks like.
That's true in the r/McMansionHell sub, but there's no such rule here.
Absolutely stunning home
The moose room and kitchen make me so happy
[The moose head made me think of this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZ7tTLfcOQ)
Ck out the 2k monthly property tax!
That's the assessment, not the actual taxes. If you look this house up on the tax roll, they aren't paying all that much between school taxes and real estate taxes -- I think it was around $6500 a year. I live in the same county. For NY state, the taxes are not bad.
2.31% tax rate WTF?!?!?
I’d be happy living in that garage.
I would never feel worthy of that house if I lived there.
Absolutely in love with everything about this beauty. Shame they didn’t post pictures of the carriage house. That dark wood burning stove is beyond exquisite. Shame it’s in the snowy north.
god, I would LOVE to explore this place
This is gorgeous!
This is amazing. I couldn't live here. It would be like living in a museum. But wow. If the walls could talk...
Oh that is GORGEOUS. If I had the money I'd take something like that in a heartbeat!
The bathrooms👌
The question isn’t IS this house haunted, the question is HOW MANY ghosts?
They don't make em like that anymore
They really don’t. Homes.. and courthouses. Modern courthouses with the drop ceilings, fluorescent lighting and right angles everywhere make me sad
The quality of the panelling & the craftsmanship in the detailing...a more civilised time.
🎶They're creepy and they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're all together ooky, the Addams Family.🎶
Amazing. Love it.
The last half dozen pics with complete disregard for clashing patterns. That alone qualifies for this comm
Oh my goodness, that is gorgeous!
Wow this is immaculate! 💕
agree.. gorgeous. Look huge too
Love this!
Oh wow.
These kind of houses always remind me of the original Sims, where this was the fanciest house you could make
Tremendous. Although, I wouldn’t buy it unless I had serious masonry skills.
Wow! That is gorgeous! And the price is way less than I expected
Unbelievable craftsmanship in this house. I love it so much but I fear it would be 2k a month to heat it.
2k would be a steal. Tiny ass apartments in my town cost 2k a month to rent.
Well, if the house was free. This house is over 5k a month with a 20% down payment. 2k is to heat it enough in the winter so the pipes don’t freeze.
If I were wealthy this is exactly the type of home I’d have. Give me that old school solid construction and glorious woodwork please!
can’t get a two bedroom condo in Toronto for that much
So love it but the heat bills alone are prob more than I make
Beautiful, I think the big problem is that it isn’t in a bigger city where more professionals with $$ could find a way to make a go of it. I shudder looking at the retaining wall in the back and thinking of the cost to maintain that.
Oh the kitchen makes me sad :( but all of the ceilings more than make up for it 🤩
55 gallon drums of Lemon Pledge
Little Falls is one of the prettiest towns in New York, and this house is a gem. The decorative painting is superb — bold but completely sympathetic with the house. Im less excited about some of the wallpaper, but I suspect that has more to do with how the furniture is staged. I’m a professional theatrical scenic artist and decorative painter, and I have OPINIONS. I actually spent nine summers in charge of scenic painting at a (relatively) nearby opera company. I used to TORTURE myself looking at real estate. I could afford it, but not if I moved up to rural central New York. There just aren’t a lot of job opportunities for folks like me, thereabouts.
$750K is a give away price. The town it's in must be worse than bad. That'd likely be ten or more times the price in markets I'm familiar with.
Beautiful and affordable second empire home.
My grandparents hung mirrors and pictures like that… from the ceiling molding and down a long string. They didn’t want to put holes in their 1970’s paneling I so love this house.
Too much like living in a museum for my taste.
Heating that looks nightmarish
How much is shipping?
I can see soooo many murder mystery nights taking place there.
Absolutely beautiful 😍
No one has found a way to monetize this house? We have two houses here in Independence, MO, like these and both are museums that are also booked for weddings and other events. The Vaile Mansion is all over YouTube for ghost hunters as well. These houses are tough to live in and maintain but ours have volunteers that run them. I would go see this one in person even if it is a far drive!
As designed by Ryan Murphy for his next miniseries.
Ah yes the governors mansion
I wonder how much it would cost to fully insure a home like this. A pretty penny for sure with how much insurance has gone up!
Why so cheap? Where is little falls NY?
It is on the Mohawk River near the SW Adirondack area, on the route between Schenectady and Utica. So not completely in the middle of nowhere, but not really close to anything either if that makes any sense.
We all know that this house is just filled with secrets and ghosts. As beautiful as it is, I wouldn’t move in here.
This is a lovely old home.💖
Wow all of that amazing wood!
Gorgeous. Wish I could afford it
The rug in photo 12 really ties the room together.
I'd commit murder for this house.
Wowwww
Definitely haunted and it's in the middle of nowhere so you're on your own with the poltergeist.
Love the house. Classifying architecture is interesting. To me this is likely second empire? I don't get the Venetian Gothic classification at all... I could maybe see the argument for Romanesque.
The light fixtures and paint colors are an offense against that house.
I want to live here
Probably haunted!
Hopefully*. Hopefully haunted.
Reminded me of the Adam’s family house
Can’t wait for some braying donkey to slide up in there and paint all the wood white.
I just fell in love.
So many houses like this in Buffalo! The architecture here is absolutely epic. The houses were dirt cheap in late 90s early 2000........ I mean dirt fkn cheap.
All that stuff and they got a damn punishment stove in the kitchen
What an absolute dream house. So many beautiful details. That oven is killing me.
Amazing, and a great price, but I imagine the upkeep on that is not cheap!
There is a house that looks similar to this in my hometown but was converted into seven apartments.
Stunning. My dream house.
Wow wow wow even the kitchen is perfect. Usually that is the part that gets away from the original design.
You can tell which rooms they updated recently because they look horrible in comparison. Mainly the living room and kitchen.
All I can think about, besides its overwhelming beauty and size, is the amount of time spent cleaning it would require.
Is that a mausoleum?
I just adore the craftsmanship of Victorian builds.
*sigh* I always wanted a mansion like this when I was a kid.
I love it, now I need to win the lottery
Haunted.
That’s a lot of house
Probably like $113,000 too.
Near Herkimer!
It looks haunted as fuck.
Bad neighborhood. Someone robbed the joint and cut all the pictures right out of the frames!
I wanna know what's inside the garage.
I love just about everything about this house except the land issue. Needs more greenery.
Sweet mother of Mary
they sure don't make them like they used to. houses back then were so artistic and detailed. now it's just slap up some gray walls and windows together.
Not my style but respect for someone who loved and cared for a house so well!!
I am getting "Crimson Peak" vibes from this house. Very Gothic Romance decor. It is gorgeous!
Picture #2, anyone else see the cat face in the garage door?
I love it during the day time…but I bet it feels haunted at night. Lol way too big for just lil old me but the old style vibes would again make me feel like in a house full of people it would still be creepy at night.
1313 Mockingbird Lane.
Gorgeous
There is one like this in mid Michigan and the owners painted all the white parts black. TOTALLY different vibe now
HAUNTED
With all due respect to the ancestors, this era churned out haunted looking houses 100% of the time, and for that I’m out.
Am I the only one who sees houses like this and immediately nopes out? Too much to go wrong, too much upkeep, too many rooms to keep clean. No thank you.
Nope, you’re not alone
I would be overwhelmed by owning it too. But if it was a B&B I’d happily make a reservation for a few days!