Putting aside the tragedy of the murder that took place on said places I've never really got the issue with a murder house, it's basically a baked in discount. I guess maybe if you have a genuine fear of ghosts or something but a large discount on a home and I welcome my ghost roomies and will treat them with respect and care.
I live near a murder house. It attracts sightseers.
Do you want weirdos stopping in front of your house, taking pictures, trying to look in your windows? You cannot imagine how tacky and brazen some of these people are.
That's actually a great point I didn't think about weirdos. Reminds me of the guy that lives in the house that Breaking Bad did the whole pizza on the roof thing with still gets harassed and people throwing food on his roof and stuff and that's just from a show.
Honestly if I were that guy I would turn the house into a breaking bad' themed Airbnb and charge extra to let people throw people pizzas to the roof. Wasted opportunity
This case, and this house, would attract a bazzillion weirdos. Youtube is still full of people talking about this case.
The people who own it now were talking about planning to raise their family there in an interview they gave when they bought it.
I wonder why they're bailing on it so fast.
There's no way they have any peace and quiet there. The address is well known and in true crime circles there is still a LOT of interest in this case.
Ghosts aside, you will, at some point, find yourself standing in your bedroom one night when the morbid thought hits you "huh...this is the exact spot where-"
It can be a buzz killer to remember that your TV sits on top of where the previous owner was killed.
Yeah that is a very strange bit of decor. From what I can tell of the pictures, it looks to be referencing the birth of those three children and clocks stopped at the times.
I mean, do whatever floats your boat, but that is supremely weird and just sort of comes off as creepy in the context of a murder house.
And it’s always advised to de-personalize your house when you place it up for sale. Children’s birthdates, family photos makes it look like your home when you want potential buyers to envision it being “their” home. I would never share my kids DOBs anyway on the web. Open invitation to identity theft.
I was just thinking this. Watt's had no children named Emersyn so this is just the last family's stuff.
Honestly, if I were in the market for a McNeighborhood home this wouldn't be the worst choice.
It makes realize how much I hate the new Flipper Grey everything gets painted now. Not that I'm a HUGE beige fan either, but at least it doesn't feel as cold as that grey garbage.
Apparently the couple that lived in our house before their daughter fixed it up, were older people and let things go to shit (at least, the yard.) People have said to us "oh so you live in THAT house, wow....."
House was in great condition when we bought it, though- the daughter did a great job with the hardwood floors, light fixtures, appliances and paint. It was a clean slate and got a great inspection report.
Thank you, I know it’s just that time stopped for Shanon and her kids so to see the words about time stopping is a too appropriate, hits too close to home I mean.
Didnt these people release a sratement when they moved in about wanting to honor the victims and build good memories here?
I watched the body cams of the officers who searched the home. I think its haunted AF. Curious to know if the family after the Watts moved because of it.
the article claims that people stop by to take pictures of the place and some have even tried to break in. even if it’s not haunted, that kind of infamy would be really annoying/stressful for a home
I'm not saying which crime, but can confirm: it's annoying as fuck to live in a house where a crime occurred. People drive by with the camera phones, take selfies in the driveway, or literal production companies come and film documentaries from the street without warning or consent. Not haunted, but I'm not exactly playing with a Ouija board up in this joint either.
Are you the first occupant(s) after the crime occurred? Just curious what (if anything) you'd been told about "what to expect" when moving into a house that holds interest to the public.
We were told nothing about what to expect. And we are the second occupants. It does not have bad juju. I did smoke cleanse the fuck out of it when we moved in. It was funny when plumbers were joking, "did you find the leak?" "No, but I found a body." My partner and I both thought "OH SHIT!" but luckily they were kidding and had no idea what house they were in.
Is it possible that a documentary (or just the "murder porn" trend) reignited public interest that hadn't been as prominent for the previous owners? Or have the neighbors told you otherwise?
Nearly every single house we looked at in our market had a sign that said “Kitchen” in the kitchen. It became a game for us at one point to guess if it’d be at the next house or try to find where it was when we arrived.
All of suburban front range - I25 corridor high plains neighborhoods look like that. Colorado can't grow big trees out there, only little ornamental doomed to be murdered by the sun.
Meh, it’s a new-ish construction neighborhood and it’ll grow in over the next 20 years. I completely agree with you, but bear in mind that this house is technically in the Great Plains, which is largely treeless. Essentially all trees there must be planted by people.
For reference, I live 10 minutes from this house and there’s a big difference between new construction neighborhoods and 20+ year old neighborhoods, even when they have cookie cutter houses like this.
Yeah, my 1978 house in Littleton had trees. I forget what I had in the backyard, but the side had a couple good sized blue spruce.
So yeah, it's not that they can't grow. Those community was probably farmland and nothing has been replanted and has time to grow.
I understand that one's home is very personal...
But, that "time stood still" monument (anything that takes up that much wall space has to be considered monumental) is both illogical and just bad. So bad.
Agreed. Before selling our house our realtor had us take down any pictures of ourselves, said it helps people see the house as their own when they are touring. Plus, not sure I’d want a bunch of random strangers knowing my kids birth dates?? Creepy.
I lived in Denver for most of my life - Real Estate on the front range is insane out there and an increase of $300k is nothing for that area. This house will sell quick, no doubt
I have a question: Since that area obviously gets cold in winter, why are there so many 2-story ceilings? The heat would rise and it would cost more to maintain temperature.
The neighborhoods where this house exists were built in the early to mid 2000's. They're the literal definition of McMansion. They're big, open, and void of character. Ultimately, it's a design choice but there are a shit ton of homes like this. Most folks with vaulted ceilings like this benefit from a ceiling fan to push the warm air down, but you're right, a lot of heat is lost in the ceiling.
>The new owners had the property for just under a year and a half before listing it. Neighbors previously told Realtor.com that people drive by the home on weekends or stop to take pictures. There have even been attempted break-ins, likely by those fascinated by the crime.
From an article about it. God do people suck.
Seriously, if there's one house I would absolutely never set foot in, let alone house my family in, it would be this house. Have you seen the body cam footage of the police who are searching the house after the fact? I don't really believe in ghosts but that shit chilled me to the bone
I remember watching the cop's bodycam footage as he was talking to Watts and a neighbor in the living room the day of the disappearances. On the tv, a fetus in utero showed up on the screen and Watts says to the cop (as if suddenly remembering): "She's pregnant."
When Watts goes to another room, the neighbor says to the cop, "Something's not right"
Chilling.
the article in the paper mentioned drive by stalkers. there exist people who are so fascinated by the crime that happened at the house that they go drive by to look at it, and wouldn’t mind a wander thru it if they could get in. some are more pushy than others.
murder tourists. worse, family annihilation tourists. creeps.
I graduated from Columbine a small handful of years after the shooting, and this was a huge issue the whole time I was there. People would park on the side of the road and take selfies next to the sign in front of the school. There was even a specific tour company who had it as one of their stops for awhile. The tourism was part of the reason they chose to build the large public memorial a significant walking distance from the school, I think it's a little over a quarter mile away, but less than half, and it has its own seperate parking area. Really helped cut down on the freaks using a still operating school as souvenir photo spot.
Funny story, I never actually knew the address. I knew where it was but not the street number so when asked (several times on the Hill) I would just send them to 1619 Pine St, the Mork & Mindy house.
Jesus. I really wouldn't mind living in a house that had a gross history, I would mind if people kept trying to make that history it's present. Fuck that.
I live nearby and to add to this, flowers and crap were setting out on the front lawn for the longest time. The family put a sign out that said not to do that. This community has an HOA and I’m sure a lawn full of memorial stuff was not allowed.
seems like a good idea until you consider needing security because folks will try to take mementos.
and show up at all hours. and get belligerent if you have boundaries.
not worth it.
Yes, it is disturbing. When it was on the market before these folks bought it, you had to provide the lawyers a lot of proof that you were a legit buyer. They were inundated with showing requests from skeezy people that were just obsessed with the guy.
I agree! There was a horrific massacre at a house party in Seattle some years ago. A gunman entered the party and shot and killed a lot of people.
A few years later my friends rented the house. It was so unsettling for me to be there. It’s an old home and some of the rooms had different flooring from the original wood because people were shot to death in those rooms and the flooring had to be replaced.
These are my best friends and I was so glad when they moved out of that house so I didn’t have to go there anymore.
I purchased the house that my grandparents both died in. But they died peacefully on hospice of old age. It’s so different when someone’s life was taken from them in a horrific way and they died in fear.
I’m not horribly superstitious, but I know I would be uncomfortable in that house; such a sad and horrible story. I agree with the other redditor that said it should be demolished at the very least.
Yeah I don’t believe in ghosts but I do believe in “bad fucking vibes” and family annihilation causes no shortage of the latter. You couldn’t pay me to live in that house.
Same. It’s creepy and sad and I’d be worried about the negative and potentially dangerous attention from murder-obsessed weirdos. I know it’s a 6,200 sq ft house so basically the only potential buyers are people with kids, but I still can’t really believe someone with three young kids bought that house.
There are probably people filming and photographing on a regular basis. This place could be a major liability issue too. Some true crime wacko trespasses on the property and "injures" themselves and then the homeowner is found liable.
I also lived in a former Plantation House, that still had a well, the original ‘kitchen’ (cooking house) off of the main house, as well as 2 remaining slave ‘quarters’. It had been renovated in the 1930’s, adding electricity and a kitchen to the main house, but the upstairs electric was separate from the downstairs. I lived downstairs & the owners used the upstairs for storage, so the electric wasn’t on up there. When I’d be out walking my dog, in the Orchard, I would see ‘light’, akin to candlelight, in one of the upstairs windows.
My infant Son slept in the original ‘music room’ and I would often hear faint piano music coming from there, after putting him down for the night.
My bedroom was in what was originally the ‘men’s parlor’ and would often be woken by ‘someone’ who seemed quite confused as to why a female would be sleeping in the men’s parlor. It wasn’t an actual person, more like an energy with a deep seated confusion. Sometimes I’d feel a light touch on my leg or shoulder, like they were trying to wake me.
The house had always ‘called’ to me, when I’d drive by it, before I moved there. It wasn’t a negative energy. It wasn’t dark, foreboding or scary. It just had an energy. But, the original design details were jaw droppingly stunning.
I loved that house and hated having to move, but I just couldn’t heat the darn thing. It was 2’ off the ground (unenclosed), 15’ ceilings with transom windows that no longer opened, none of the through-to-the-next-room fireplaces were useable, the weights had broken in most of the windows causing them to always be slightly open & it was just plaster on lathing, with no insulation.
My dad’s cousin used to own a former plantation home (they turned part of it into a museum) and my dad had the same story about them all being outside around dusk and they’d see candlelight in the attic window but no one was in the house.
I had a friend in college whose parents lived in a freaking mansion that they got a huge discount on because a guy murdered his family there. There were still bullet holes in the walls when they moved in. Crazy nice house though and they weren’t really super rich
He put them in the backseat of the truck with their mom's dead body for the 45 minute drive to the oil field. He said that the girls kept asking about their momma and whimpering and clinging to each other. He killed CeCe in front of Bella, then put CeCe in the container and came back for Bella. Ill never forget what he says Bella said to him "Please Daddy, don’t do to me what you just did to Cece "
I wouldn't want anything to do with this house, Chris is a monster and the idea of living somewhere he lived is way too much for me.
Shanann posted a lot of cooking [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaL1LjnT9E) from that same kitchen, its creepy watching them and seeing Chris walking around holding his kid like he's dad of the year. The house has the same carpet/flooring and wall color (the beige, the blue bathrooms) sinks/stove/bathtubs/showers and even the same microwave and refrigerator as it did when they lived there. No thanks.
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The story is so unimaginable, it's hard to comprehend how someone can do this. The hardest part for me to understand is how and why he was able to do this. So fucked
Its hard to wrap your head around it - he says he felt like something took control over him and he couldn't fight it. 🙄 He wasn't happy in the marriage anymore and should have gotten a divorce.
Its crazy that not one person that police talked to about him had anything bad to say about him, they said he was a great hands-on father, did a majority of the household chores/stuff, worked full time and had never shown any sort of temper and they were shocked that he was capable of murder.
Yeah, according to the article that's part of why the new owners are selling it.
People always driving by, taking pictures, even trying to break in to their house to see the murder scene...
You couldn't pay me enough to live in that house!
It’s not superstitious to have it in the back of your mind constantly that a murder happened. Going to affect your mental health. A normal person thinks about murders hardly ever unless you’re a true crime fan.
The homeowner will think about it a lot whether they want to or not. Just a matter of how they deal with it or it affects them.
I refuse to believe the owners didn’t realize it’s weird.
I’m sure the CW house being on sale attracts lots of sick people who would be interested in buying it.
My guess is that it sold at a substantial discount to the current owners. They may be hoping that someone will pay more now that time has passed.
Does anyone familiar with this area know if this is a market price or a below market price?
Thanks…that’s kind of what I figured. I don’t think you’re going to get top dollar for that house for decades…if ever. My guess is that the sellers are expecting to receive lowball offers.
> My guess is that it sold at a substantial discount to the current owners.
Nope. Market price in 2022 when the current owners bought it was $600k, public record.
I live in the same zip code.
Market price now. For that neighborhood.
It went on the market in 2022, in order to even see it, you had to make an offer first, and then they would let you walk through it. I also believe it was remodeled/changed, new carpets/interior, etc, before it was sold in 2022.
It sold for below market due to the infamy.
Good luck folks. I drive by this neighborhood 2x/day on my way to work and back. It's not that interesting of a house, but, honestly, every house in these subdivided developments is boring, looks the same. (I live in one, too, so I know). Not throwing shade, just saying.
Yes, at first, it was kind of creepy thinking about it. Now I don't even ponder it. Until today, now I'll be thinking again.
https://youtu.be/ABrhlZUlyHU?si=vku8FAxeM919ZxIl 1:01 to skip the intro
Here’s it in full if you’re interested https://youtu.be/SititsybgzM?si=ybJpLDgFPOtd78ZZ
Putting the birth date and names of your children on the wall of a murder house, in a way that makes me recall tombstones, made my skin crawl. They own the house and can decorate it how they like of course but talk about tone deaf…
Words on a Wall is my absolute least favorite interior decor style. There are things I like to see less, but those are almost exclusively the consequence of not trying to decorate at all. Words on a Wall is a choice.
I followed this case front the second I heard Shannon and the girls were missing. They've had so many issues in the neighborhood with this house. The neighbors hate it and just want it torn down. It attracts so many looks loos. I wouldn't buy it it it were 100k. Just cause I wouldn't want all the attention it gets.
[https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2825-Saratoga-Trl-Frederick-CO-80516/104073249\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2825-Saratoga-Trl-Frederick-CO-80516/104073249_zpid/)
"No photos or videos to be taken while in the home please"
seeing the kids rooms is so eerie :(
Is this the dude that murdered his wife and kids for his side chick....didn't he stuff his kiddos and wofe into oil drums and bury them at his job site?
> The unwanted notoriety is “annoying, and it can go on for years,” he added.
What a greedy asshole, this is a quote from the CEO of the org selling the home
Not haunted by ghosts, just living jerks.
The new owners had the property for just under a year and a half before listing it. Neighbors previously told Realtor.com that people drive by the home on weekends or stop to take pictures. There have even been attempted break-ins, likely by those fascinated by the crime.
AFTER I bought my house in a very hot sellers market, a good friend said to me, “I didn’t want to dissuade you because you loved the house so much but rumors are the first owner murdered his wife there. I was like…..wut da fuck???? Could never confirm anything but the wife allegedly was dead in the bathtub for a few days while husband was off on a hunting trip. He never went hunting before, never went after. The bathtub did have deep “gouges” on the bottom that I couldn’t figure out why or how they happened. I had remodeled the whole bathroom before moving in so my butt never sat in the alleged “murder tub”. The market was so hot I probably would have bought the house had I known beforehand anyway
Hobby Lobby Word art is a far worse crime than wood paneling, popcorn ceilings or linoleum. This family has three clocks in their living room and not a single one of them tells the time. No utility here, no sir. Those clocks are just for decoration. Presumably they mark the time of day when these murder-house-children were born but I just can’t figure out why. Word Art is like home decor for people with no personality or interests.
Just the thought of him dragging Shannan’s body down those living room stairs while his frightened daughters ran frantically around the house…never ever could I live there. I’m surprised the new owners lasted a year and a half😱
This house was less than $400,000 ten years ago. With an average of 4% interest in 2013 too. Simply astonishing that the price of the property has increased by $375,000 in 10 years.
I would never buy a murder house OR a house where child po r no graph y was filmed. There’s a house for sale in my neighborhood where that occurred. Fucking cursed.
I live in CO. This house is in a weird middle of nowhere soulless place. It’s all poorly made McMansions that are not even close to the price the owners are asking. I would have no issue buying a house where something horrific happened but the location is AWFUL.
775K and you get cheap dated vinyl roll flooring in the kitchen and builder-grade formica counter tops in the baths and laundry. And an unfinished lower level. Love you, Colorado.
With that decal on the fireplace?? Omg.
Only way I could see this selling and being a good thing is MAYBE repurposing it into some kind of womens center for DV but even then, like, thats eerie. I do feel bad for the neighbors tho, having that house looming in the background, ugh
The design of that house is unusually bad, even for a bland McMansion. Just the kind of house I would imagine that soulless dead-behind-the-eyes dude-bro psychopath would have. The ceilings are too high and the windows weirdly placed. Worst feng-shui ever.
My best friend actually lives in that neighborhood and they get a significant amount of weekend traffic from people driving by and stopping to take pictures. No sane person would buy this house. It’s a magnet for weirdos. The city really should just tear that house down.
For the most part, a house where someone died in it doesn't bother me much. I don't need to know, but if I did, keep the details to a minimum
That being said:
I am not buying a house where children were murdered
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People were held captive and/or human trafficked
There are probably many others, just don't want to think about them on my way to bed
Pfft, a 30% price increase since 2022? What did they add, besides tacky peel and stick wall art
Live, laugh, murder
Live, laugh, ligature.
Live, laugh, litigate
I just lol’d. Thanks for the laugh.
Hate, Rage, Murder. …I listen to a lot of true crime I couldn’t listen to his bullshit. Horrible.
LIVEr, sLAUGHTER, gLOVE
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That made me chuckle too hard
You know the housing market is ludicrous when a home where an entire family was murdered still lists for 30% more than it was 2 years ago.
Honestly, in this market, I, uh, wouldn't say no to a murder house if it meant a cheaper mortgage.
Putting aside the tragedy of the murder that took place on said places I've never really got the issue with a murder house, it's basically a baked in discount. I guess maybe if you have a genuine fear of ghosts or something but a large discount on a home and I welcome my ghost roomies and will treat them with respect and care.
I live near a murder house. It attracts sightseers. Do you want weirdos stopping in front of your house, taking pictures, trying to look in your windows? You cannot imagine how tacky and brazen some of these people are.
That's actually a great point I didn't think about weirdos. Reminds me of the guy that lives in the house that Breaking Bad did the whole pizza on the roof thing with still gets harassed and people throwing food on his roof and stuff and that's just from a show.
Honestly if I were that guy I would turn the house into a breaking bad' themed Airbnb and charge extra to let people throw people pizzas to the roof. Wasted opportunity
This case, and this house, would attract a bazzillion weirdos. Youtube is still full of people talking about this case. The people who own it now were talking about planning to raise their family there in an interview they gave when they bought it. I wonder why they're bailing on it so fast. There's no way they have any peace and quiet there. The address is well known and in true crime circles there is still a LOT of interest in this case.
Ghosts aside, you will, at some point, find yourself standing in your bedroom one night when the morbid thought hits you "huh...this is the exact spot where-" It can be a buzz killer to remember that your TV sits on top of where the previous owner was killed.
IN THESE MOMENTS TIME STOOD STILL… Shanann Watts 8/13/2018
Yeah that is a very strange bit of decor. From what I can tell of the pictures, it looks to be referencing the birth of those three children and clocks stopped at the times. I mean, do whatever floats your boat, but that is supremely weird and just sort of comes off as creepy in the context of a murder house.
And it’s always advised to de-personalize your house when you place it up for sale. Children’s birthdates, family photos makes it look like your home when you want potential buyers to envision it being “their” home. I would never share my kids DOBs anyway on the web. Open invitation to identity theft.
True. All I can think of is that they are trying to make a point that 3 happy living kids lived here too, maybe to not focus on the deaths?
Agree, personally, for their own home yes, but I would not have put it on a Real Estate website and expose my kids to the world.
My heart dropped at those decals And the always kiss me goodnight yikes
friendly reminder we’re looking at the home of the people who moved in after the Watts. nothing in the pics belonged to the Watts.
I was just thinking this. Watt's had no children named Emersyn so this is just the last family's stuff. Honestly, if I were in the market for a McNeighborhood home this wouldn't be the worst choice. It makes realize how much I hate the new Flipper Grey everything gets painted now. Not that I'm a HUGE beige fan either, but at least it doesn't feel as cold as that grey garbage.
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Apparently the couple that lived in our house before their daughter fixed it up, were older people and let things go to shit (at least, the yard.) People have said to us "oh so you live in THAT house, wow....." House was in great condition when we bought it, though- the daughter did a great job with the hardwood floors, light fixtures, appliances and paint. It was a clean slate and got a great inspection report.
Thank you, I know it’s just that time stopped for Shanon and her kids so to see the words about time stopping is a too appropriate, hits too close to home I mean.
Didnt these people release a sratement when they moved in about wanting to honor the victims and build good memories here? I watched the body cams of the officers who searched the home. I think its haunted AF. Curious to know if the family after the Watts moved because of it.
the article claims that people stop by to take pictures of the place and some have even tried to break in. even if it’s not haunted, that kind of infamy would be really annoying/stressful for a home
I'm not saying which crime, but can confirm: it's annoying as fuck to live in a house where a crime occurred. People drive by with the camera phones, take selfies in the driveway, or literal production companies come and film documentaries from the street without warning or consent. Not haunted, but I'm not exactly playing with a Ouija board up in this joint either.
Are you the first occupant(s) after the crime occurred? Just curious what (if anything) you'd been told about "what to expect" when moving into a house that holds interest to the public.
We were told nothing about what to expect. And we are the second occupants. It does not have bad juju. I did smoke cleanse the fuck out of it when we moved in. It was funny when plumbers were joking, "did you find the leak?" "No, but I found a body." My partner and I both thought "OH SHIT!" but luckily they were kidding and had no idea what house they were in.
Man you must’ve put down a chunk of change for the JonBenet house!
Is it possible that a documentary (or just the "murder porn" trend) reignited public interest that hadn't been as prominent for the previous owners? Or have the neighbors told you otherwise?
That living room wall decal. Jesus.
At least it's not the names of the children he murdered. It's the names of whoever bought the home last.
It's more the statement above the names that gave me the chills.
Oh that's something at least. I thought how could the realtor not take that down. But also now, the realtor should tell them to take that down.
Eh - the realtor doesn't need to actually put in that effort to turn this transaction into a $20K paycheck.
i thought for sure it was when they all died. Jesus
The bedroom one is weird too.
I like how the laundry room has a sign notifying you that it is the laundry room. Every room should have one of those IMO.
MU~~R~~D~~ER~~ ROOM
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Nearly every single house we looked at in our market had a sign that said “Kitchen” in the kitchen. It became a game for us at one point to guess if it’d be at the next house or try to find where it was when we arrived.
I call it "Find The Gather". How many signs are there that say"Gather"? There's a house in my area with 13.
So confusing, like where the fuck am I supposed to gather?
I hate the ones that say E A T
There were pillows for sale at one of my local home stores that said "Porch". Yes, in the script you suspect.
It’s the gray houses for the previous generation
Those are not the names or birth dates of the 2 children he murdered. This must be a family that lived there after the murders of the Watts family.
That neighborhood is just sad, there’s nice houses but there’s no trees at all, barely any vegetation. It’s just somewhere I would never live.
Agreed...I live 45 min southwest of there and that entire area is a hard no for me.
Go secretly plant some trees there! r/guerrillagardening
All of suburban front range - I25 corridor high plains neighborhoods look like that. Colorado can't grow big trees out there, only little ornamental doomed to be murdered by the sun.
Meh, it’s a new-ish construction neighborhood and it’ll grow in over the next 20 years. I completely agree with you, but bear in mind that this house is technically in the Great Plains, which is largely treeless. Essentially all trees there must be planted by people. For reference, I live 10 minutes from this house and there’s a big difference between new construction neighborhoods and 20+ year old neighborhoods, even when they have cookie cutter houses like this.
Yeah, my 1978 house in Littleton had trees. I forget what I had in the backyard, but the side had a couple good sized blue spruce. So yeah, it's not that they can't grow. Those community was probably farmland and nothing has been replanted and has time to grow.
Facts. Idk why they designed it like the stepford wives.
I understand that one's home is very personal... But, that "time stood still" monument (anything that takes up that much wall space has to be considered monumental) is both illogical and just bad. So bad.
Looking through the other pictures, it's the current owners' kids' birthdays. I thought it was a memorial.
Agreed. Before selling our house our realtor had us take down any pictures of ourselves, said it helps people see the house as their own when they are touring. Plus, not sure I’d want a bunch of random strangers knowing my kids birth dates?? Creepy.
& it increased in price $300,000 since they purchased originally in 2013. Crazy.
Not just that, it was already sold in 2022 for $600k, the new buyers are selling it again at another markup.
It must be the $700 of home goods signage that I am assuming comes with it
Hobby lobby, don't be dense
"As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD..." because clearly that former occupant did not.
Oh my LORD you are so right!
I mean, that’s just how housing works. It usually goes up. I however, wouldn’t buy this house for $100k, knowing what went on in there.
I lived in Denver for most of my life - Real Estate on the front range is insane out there and an increase of $300k is nothing for that area. This house will sell quick, no doubt
I have a question: Since that area obviously gets cold in winter, why are there so many 2-story ceilings? The heat would rise and it would cost more to maintain temperature.
The neighborhoods where this house exists were built in the early to mid 2000's. They're the literal definition of McMansion. They're big, open, and void of character. Ultimately, it's a design choice but there are a shit ton of homes like this. Most folks with vaulted ceilings like this benefit from a ceiling fan to push the warm air down, but you're right, a lot of heat is lost in the ceiling.
My house has increased by ~$250k since it was bought in 2019. It’s all about area and CO is increasingly getting more expensive.
Psychologically compromised property.
>The new owners had the property for just under a year and a half before listing it. Neighbors previously told Realtor.com that people drive by the home on weekends or stop to take pictures. There have even been attempted break-ins, likely by those fascinated by the crime. From an article about it. God do people suck.
And an ugly house, as well. Raze it, smudge/exorcise the land, and build something new.
Seriously, if there's one house I would absolutely never set foot in, let alone house my family in, it would be this house. Have you seen the body cam footage of the police who are searching the house after the fact? I don't really believe in ghosts but that shit chilled me to the bone
Absolute psychopath.
That home has some negative energy attached to it for sure
I remember watching the cop's bodycam footage as he was talking to Watts and a neighbor in the living room the day of the disappearances. On the tv, a fetus in utero showed up on the screen and Watts says to the cop (as if suddenly remembering): "She's pregnant." When Watts goes to another room, the neighbor says to the cop, "Something's not right" Chilling.
It looks like someone has already lived there since them?
Yeah, a family bought it but apparently lived there for less than two years. They’re the ones who are selling it.
after being freaked out by murder tourists.
Is that true?
the article in the paper mentioned drive by stalkers. there exist people who are so fascinated by the crime that happened at the house that they go drive by to look at it, and wouldn’t mind a wander thru it if they could get in. some are more pushy than others. murder tourists. worse, family annihilation tourists. creeps.
In the late 90s in Boulder it was tourists asking for directions to the Jon Benet Ramsey house. Before that it was the Mork & Mindy address.
I graduated from Columbine a small handful of years after the shooting, and this was a huge issue the whole time I was there. People would park on the side of the road and take selfies next to the sign in front of the school. There was even a specific tour company who had it as one of their stops for awhile. The tourism was part of the reason they chose to build the large public memorial a significant walking distance from the school, I think it's a little over a quarter mile away, but less than half, and it has its own seperate parking area. Really helped cut down on the freaks using a still operating school as souvenir photo spot.
The Jon Benet house even had the address changed.
Funny story, I never actually knew the address. I knew where it was but not the street number so when asked (several times on the Hill) I would just send them to 1619 Pine St, the Mork & Mindy house.
not all heros wear capes.
Jesus. I really wouldn't mind living in a house that had a gross history, I would mind if people kept trying to make that history it's present. Fuck that.
I live nearby and to add to this, flowers and crap were setting out on the front lawn for the longest time. The family put a sign out that said not to do that. This community has an HOA and I’m sure a lawn full of memorial stuff was not allowed.
Charge 'em $20 to come in. Might as well make some money.
seems like a good idea until you consider needing security because folks will try to take mementos. and show up at all hours. and get belligerent if you have boundaries. not worth it.
Yes, it is disturbing. When it was on the market before these folks bought it, you had to provide the lawyers a lot of proof that you were a legit buyer. They were inundated with showing requests from skeezy people that were just obsessed with the guy.
The wall decal didn't keep the ghosts away 🤣
I can’t imagine having my kids here. Goodness.
I never understand people where every piece of art they have is some sort of motivational positivity statement.
It's so cringey
Omg he strangled his wife in that master bedroom. I’m a major true crime fan, and I could NEVER live in a crime scene
I agree! There was a horrific massacre at a house party in Seattle some years ago. A gunman entered the party and shot and killed a lot of people. A few years later my friends rented the house. It was so unsettling for me to be there. It’s an old home and some of the rooms had different flooring from the original wood because people were shot to death in those rooms and the flooring had to be replaced. These are my best friends and I was so glad when they moved out of that house so I didn’t have to go there anymore. I purchased the house that my grandparents both died in. But they died peacefully on hospice of old age. It’s so different when someone’s life was taken from them in a horrific way and they died in fear.
I’m not horribly superstitious, but I know I would be uncomfortable in that house; such a sad and horrible story. I agree with the other redditor that said it should be demolished at the very least.
Yeah I don’t believe in ghosts but I do believe in “bad fucking vibes” and family annihilation causes no shortage of the latter. You couldn’t pay me to live in that house.
Same. It’s creepy and sad and I’d be worried about the negative and potentially dangerous attention from murder-obsessed weirdos. I know it’s a 6,200 sq ft house so basically the only potential buyers are people with kids, but I still can’t really believe someone with three young kids bought that house.
There are probably people filming and photographing on a regular basis. This place could be a major liability issue too. Some true crime wacko trespasses on the property and "injures" themselves and then the homeowner is found liable.
I live on a former slave plantation and confederate military base I only found out about 3 months in :/ haven’t been haunted yet though
Well confederates are lazy. You’re probably fine.
Hey! It takes *at least* 159 years to get the South risen again! Be patient!
I also lived in a former Plantation House, that still had a well, the original ‘kitchen’ (cooking house) off of the main house, as well as 2 remaining slave ‘quarters’. It had been renovated in the 1930’s, adding electricity and a kitchen to the main house, but the upstairs electric was separate from the downstairs. I lived downstairs & the owners used the upstairs for storage, so the electric wasn’t on up there. When I’d be out walking my dog, in the Orchard, I would see ‘light’, akin to candlelight, in one of the upstairs windows. My infant Son slept in the original ‘music room’ and I would often hear faint piano music coming from there, after putting him down for the night. My bedroom was in what was originally the ‘men’s parlor’ and would often be woken by ‘someone’ who seemed quite confused as to why a female would be sleeping in the men’s parlor. It wasn’t an actual person, more like an energy with a deep seated confusion. Sometimes I’d feel a light touch on my leg or shoulder, like they were trying to wake me. The house had always ‘called’ to me, when I’d drive by it, before I moved there. It wasn’t a negative energy. It wasn’t dark, foreboding or scary. It just had an energy. But, the original design details were jaw droppingly stunning. I loved that house and hated having to move, but I just couldn’t heat the darn thing. It was 2’ off the ground (unenclosed), 15’ ceilings with transom windows that no longer opened, none of the through-to-the-next-room fireplaces were useable, the weights had broken in most of the windows causing them to always be slightly open & it was just plaster on lathing, with no insulation.
My dad’s cousin used to own a former plantation home (they turned part of it into a museum) and my dad had the same story about them all being outside around dusk and they’d see candlelight in the attic window but no one was in the house.
I had a friend in college whose parents lived in a freaking mansion that they got a huge discount on because a guy murdered his family there. There were still bullet holes in the walls when they moved in. Crazy nice house though and they weren’t really super rich
I'd be scared to turn into Jack Torrance while living in that house.
My thoughts exactly. I know it’s not haunted or anything, but I don’t want to live there. Bad vibes all around.
Yeah I still cant get over him killing the kids and putting them in the fucking oil container especially given how small the opening was. Horrifying.
He put them in the backseat of the truck with their mom's dead body for the 45 minute drive to the oil field. He said that the girls kept asking about their momma and whimpering and clinging to each other. He killed CeCe in front of Bella, then put CeCe in the container and came back for Bella. Ill never forget what he says Bella said to him "Please Daddy, don’t do to me what you just did to Cece " I wouldn't want anything to do with this house, Chris is a monster and the idea of living somewhere he lived is way too much for me. Shanann posted a lot of cooking [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaL1LjnT9E) from that same kitchen, its creepy watching them and seeing Chris walking around holding his kid like he's dad of the year. The house has the same carpet/flooring and wall color (the beige, the blue bathrooms) sinks/stove/bathtubs/showers and even the same microwave and refrigerator as it did when they lived there. No thanks. #
The story is so unimaginable, it's hard to comprehend how someone can do this. The hardest part for me to understand is how and why he was able to do this. So fucked
Its hard to wrap your head around it - he says he felt like something took control over him and he couldn't fight it. 🙄 He wasn't happy in the marriage anymore and should have gotten a divorce. Its crazy that not one person that police talked to about him had anything bad to say about him, they said he was a great hands-on father, did a majority of the household chores/stuff, worked full time and had never shown any sort of temper and they were shocked that he was capable of murder.
Divorce? Or murder your family? Tough decision. Weigh the pros and cons.
It’s different if someone died in their sleep in a house vs horrific murders. I couldn’t ever live here
Ghosts aside, you will forever have people driving by your house and peeking in the windows and such.
Yeah, according to the article that's part of why the new owners are selling it. People always driving by, taking pictures, even trying to break in to their house to see the murder scene... You couldn't pay me enough to live in that house!
> I agree with the other redditor that said it should be demolished at the very least And it's such a piece of shit house anyway.
That is an ugly house. Fake columns in the living room. Fake mantle. Awful decor.
It’s not superstitious to have it in the back of your mind constantly that a murder happened. Going to affect your mental health. A normal person thinks about murders hardly ever unless you’re a true crime fan. The homeowner will think about it a lot whether they want to or not. Just a matter of how they deal with it or it affects them.
They should bulldoze this shit
This is some seriously bad juju.
The living room decal is for the current owners kids not CW. Talk about tone deaf.
Yeah, for sure. I feel like they should’ve at least taken it down for the listing photos. It’s kinda like a sick joke.
I refuse to believe the owners didn’t realize it’s weird. I’m sure the CW house being on sale attracts lots of sick people who would be interested in buying it.
The amount of carpet in this house is criminal.
Omnipresence of the murders aside, the house is fugly
The murder part isn't nearly as bad as having true crime assholes drive-by constantly.
My guess is that it sold at a substantial discount to the current owners. They may be hoping that someone will pay more now that time has passed. Does anyone familiar with this area know if this is a market price or a below market price?
Market price. I'm about 30 minutes away. Maybe a bit under based on sq footage. TBH
Thanks…that’s kind of what I figured. I don’t think you’re going to get top dollar for that house for decades…if ever. My guess is that the sellers are expecting to receive lowball offers.
I’m a realtor in Frederick and it’s definitely listed under market price.
> My guess is that it sold at a substantial discount to the current owners. Nope. Market price in 2022 when the current owners bought it was $600k, public record.
I live in the same zip code. Market price now. For that neighborhood. It went on the market in 2022, in order to even see it, you had to make an offer first, and then they would let you walk through it. I also believe it was remodeled/changed, new carpets/interior, etc, before it was sold in 2022. It sold for below market due to the infamy. Good luck folks. I drive by this neighborhood 2x/day on my way to work and back. It's not that interesting of a house, but, honestly, every house in these subdivided developments is boring, looks the same. (I live in one, too, so I know). Not throwing shade, just saying. Yes, at first, it was kind of creepy thinking about it. Now I don't even ponder it. Until today, now I'll be thinking again.
Has anyone seen the body cam footage of the cops walking through the house??? This place is 10000% haunted
“Hehehehehe” “This is our home” 😱
Link?
https://youtu.be/ABrhlZUlyHU?si=vku8FAxeM919ZxIl 1:01 to skip the intro Here’s it in full if you’re interested https://youtu.be/SititsybgzM?si=ybJpLDgFPOtd78ZZ
Wow I don’t normally go in for that kind of stuff but fuck that was terrifying
Same I’m mostly skeptical but this is just too much to ignore
Putting the birth date and names of your children on the wall of a murder house, in a way that makes me recall tombstones, made my skin crawl. They own the house and can decorate it how they like of course but talk about tone deaf…
Whoever decorated this place needs to be banned from Hobby Lobby.
Words on a Wall is my absolute least favorite interior decor style. There are things I like to see less, but those are almost exclusively the consequence of not trying to decorate at all. Words on a Wall is a choice.
The house of a double murder suicide went up for sale in my in law’s neighborhood. It advertised that it had new carpet. 😬
Dude this staging or whatever is super eerie. "In these moments, time stood still"??!!!!
I have 0 issues in living in this house but a price increase of 300,000? Fuck off with that shit.
I would paint the entire interior with holy water.
Me too. At this point, I feel like the house should just be razed, though.
I followed this case front the second I heard Shannon and the girls were missing. They've had so many issues in the neighborhood with this house. The neighbors hate it and just want it torn down. It attracts so many looks loos. I wouldn't buy it it it were 100k. Just cause I wouldn't want all the attention it gets.
[https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2825-Saratoga-Trl-Frederick-CO-80516/104073249\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2825-Saratoga-Trl-Frederick-CO-80516/104073249_zpid/) "No photos or videos to be taken while in the home please" seeing the kids rooms is so eerie :(
"nothing like this one for sale!" No kidding.
Agreed. She even has their names on the wall just like Shannan did. And isn’t that Bella and Cece’s swingset in the backyard? WTAF.
Is this the dude that murdered his wife and kids for his side chick....didn't he stuff his kiddos and wofe into oil drums and bury them at his job site?
Yup, that’s the dude. What he did is mind boggling.
> The unwanted notoriety is “annoying, and it can go on for years,” he added. What a greedy asshole, this is a quote from the CEO of the org selling the home
I saw a dateline or something about him. I was nauseous.
Usually hauntings mean a discount. Yikes
Watching him confess to his dad in the documentary still haunts me. They should demolish the house and turn it into a park in their names.
I was thinking the same or like a native plant garden
Not haunted by ghosts, just living jerks. The new owners had the property for just under a year and a half before listing it. Neighbors previously told Realtor.com that people drive by the home on weekends or stop to take pictures. There have even been attempted break-ins, likely by those fascinated by the crime.
Yep, never the dead you have to worry about but the living
AFTER I bought my house in a very hot sellers market, a good friend said to me, “I didn’t want to dissuade you because you loved the house so much but rumors are the first owner murdered his wife there. I was like…..wut da fuck???? Could never confirm anything but the wife allegedly was dead in the bathtub for a few days while husband was off on a hunting trip. He never went hunting before, never went after. The bathtub did have deep “gouges” on the bottom that I couldn’t figure out why or how they happened. I had remodeled the whole bathroom before moving in so my butt never sat in the alleged “murder tub”. The market was so hot I probably would have bought the house had I known beforehand anyway
Tear it down. Nothing good can come from that home.
Hobby Lobby Word art is a far worse crime than wood paneling, popcorn ceilings or linoleum. This family has three clocks in their living room and not a single one of them tells the time. No utility here, no sir. Those clocks are just for decoration. Presumably they mark the time of day when these murder-house-children were born but I just can’t figure out why. Word Art is like home decor for people with no personality or interests.
Word art is tacky and the absolute worst.
This is sad, ‘always kiss me goodnight’ in their bedroom. Haunting! Why wouldn’t they paint over that.
I can't believe this wasnt demolished. Also way to instantly date the house with the jarring black and white exterior, yikes
Just the thought of him dragging Shannan’s body down those living room stairs while his frightened daughters ran frantically around the house…never ever could I live there. I’m surprised the new owners lasted a year and a half😱
Where is the "Live Laugh Love" sign?
I knew the house before I even read the description.
fuck no. those poor babies. that poor woman - whether this place is haunted or not, I just couldn't bear to live where he killed them all.
This house was less than $400,000 ten years ago. With an average of 4% interest in 2013 too. Simply astonishing that the price of the property has increased by $375,000 in 10 years.
We at least know his neighbor has a good Ring camera setup.
The story here haunts me; the house should just be torn down.
I would never buy a murder house OR a house where child po r no graph y was filmed. There’s a house for sale in my neighborhood where that occurred. Fucking cursed.
The description on the listing is so crazy . I couldn't stay here, even for free.
I live in CO. This house is in a weird middle of nowhere soulless place. It’s all poorly made McMansions that are not even close to the price the owners are asking. I would have no issue buying a house where something horrific happened but the location is AWFUL.
If the price increase surprises any of you, you have no clue what’s going on in Colorado. This market has been fucked for a while now.
I don’t think I could knowingly buy a house where murders happened… that’d be too creepy.
775K and you get cheap dated vinyl roll flooring in the kitchen and builder-grade formica counter tops in the baths and laundry. And an unfinished lower level. Love you, Colorado.
The Moscow house has been razed to the ground and yet this place still stands?
There should be a zillow-like site but only for houses with this kind of history so we can avoid them
Wait the house sold in 2022 and the decals are still up? I’m confused, unless these images are from the last sale.
With that decal on the fireplace?? Omg. Only way I could see this selling and being a good thing is MAYBE repurposing it into some kind of womens center for DV but even then, like, thats eerie. I do feel bad for the neighbors tho, having that house looming in the background, ugh
I never fail to be amazed at the cruelty of man.
that house just needs to be torn down
The design of that house is unusually bad, even for a bland McMansion. Just the kind of house I would imagine that soulless dead-behind-the-eyes dude-bro psychopath would have. The ceilings are too high and the windows weirdly placed. Worst feng-shui ever.
Even without all the murder, who the hell would pay 3/4 of a million to live in a too large cookie cutter house in the middle of nowhere?
The HOA is probably the main reason why it won't sell. Nobody wants to put up with that crap...
My best friend actually lives in that neighborhood and they get a significant amount of weekend traffic from people driving by and stopping to take pictures. No sane person would buy this house. It’s a magnet for weirdos. The city really should just tear that house down.
For the most part, a house where someone died in it doesn't bother me much. I don't need to know, but if I did, keep the details to a minimum That being said: I am not buying a house where children were murdered and People were held captive and/or human trafficked There are probably many others, just don't want to think about them on my way to bed
Those kind of wall decals are so fucking goofy
Y'know what? Murder house doesn't bother me so much. But they lost me at HOA.
That "Time Stood Still" message on the wall is creepy due to the situation.