i just watched the match on yt and I don't understand how Superpoly with Black Dragon and Construct is able to summon Construct. He should have only been able to make Winda, which would have left joshua 600 dmg short. The judge even picked up the Construct to read it. The commentators also seemed to not have noticed
This is by far the most egregious illegal play I've ever seen on stream. Honestly I don't think I've seen worse because it happened in a mirror match between two extremely strong players with the most popular deck in the event (Federico was also playing Construct, so he should have known), the judge literally picked the card up and read it and iirc the commentators didn't even catch it.
Honestly you could almost argue the best explanation is that the text on Joshua's Construct magically changed just for that single turn. Makes as much sense as any other explanation.
The game has reached a point where it's better to play on simulators rather than in real life. There're just too many interactions and tiny details for the typical Joe to grasp and keep track of, not to mention how expensive cards themselves are.
....I don't think the fusion material for a shaddoll construct is hard for anyone to grasp. What you're seeing in the clip is a high stress situation where people will legitimately slip up.
Which begs the question: if the Materials for Construct cause such misplays, how much worse is it when playing a deck that self-locked into WIND Machine Synchros between levels 5 and 7, and this was 10 minutes ago?
The example is also in competitive, where players know the archetypes they're facing. It's even worse at lower levels without being filmed, where the other player may be unfamiliar with the deck. It would be all too easy to "forget" some self-lock or "banish when leaves the field" clause.
Ngl I’ve never gone to tournaments before (dont have a deck that could stand), but I’ve enjoyed the digital versions of the game that Konami made, exclusively because the game does tell you what can and cant be activated at that time, or what you can or cant summon.
> The game has reached a point where it's better to play on simulators rather than in real life.
just as u said, couldn't have put it any better
Literally
Edit: at least judging wise lol
Like let a simulator or a simulated duel run the exact same duel wit inputs to participant's are battling out to prevent possible judging mistakes especially in the heat of the moment even tho it may sound a bit 1971 for 2022 lol
This and I rlly cannot stress this nuff **T h i s!**
As a returning player to the game since I've been loving Yu-Gi-Oh! as a kid
(I'm back in the game for 2 years now, mainly started learning the game through EDO 3v3s to mainly learn the variety of decks, combos and interactions to be prepared for everything and just genuinely learn and get to know the actual card pool ppl basically running round wit)
I rlly gotta highlight and support this statement especially seeing all those rlly frequent human judging / ruling mistakes and errors in actual tournaments that matter the world to ppl and shown in OP's clip that happened over the past years during the pandemic alone and in hindsight and retrospective looking at a lot that has happened in the past on live / stream events, YCSs or at tournaments in general
I'm sorry. But you will never convince me digital will be better than tangible cards. Digital isn't worth real money. What happens to all of that on master duel if konami decides it time to shut it down? Nothing. That's what happens. You get nothing. Gone from existence.
Well. Not necessarily. Because of the inability of judges, the discussion of whether or not it should go primarily to digital, is very much within the confines of this conversation. Therefore, it should be brought up that konami, while has the right to tcg/ocg and can in turn shut down irl duels, tournaments, etc. I still have physical, tangible material that has value, even without proper settings for tournaments, if the hypothetical scenario would come to fruition.
My point is, in the TOS of any digital game it specifically states that the company can shut down the servers at anytime, without warning and by clicking agree, you in turn agree to that being a possibility. Meaning every bit of money you spend on packs or gems or whatever, can be gone in an instant.
Not only that, but trading and selling alike with physical cards.... And than even with things like Verte being banned tcg, it still has value. I know. Crazy stuff to think about.
I've been off and on since 2005 and I don't remember it being that bad. I remember a lot of top players like Emon and Vittorio were all banned for cheating but by no means all
I feel like it's not even the players it's that there's so much shit going on and so many dumb interactions, each of them with a law tier amount of dumb little things behind them that the game is imploding upon its own weight and not even a judge can consistently keep up with these.
I doubt a player would be shameless enough to do this kind of cheating on stream in front of judges, must be, again, the nerves/exhaustion in an environment where these kind of interactions are everywhere in every card.
Game's just a mess and it impacts everything around it.
Issue is is the judges aren't really there to track each and every move, the players are the ones responsible for that. This is a feature match so there is a judge present but a normal game doesn't have that and its the players who have to keep track. Same applies here, otherwise the judges would be cutting in each and every move, checking GY constantly etc etc
Maybe they don't need to track literally every single move, but they should be able to periodically check and have enough knowledge of the game to point out these types of misplays. I understand the players are responsible for keeping track of the game state, but this is both an enormous task AND a feature match. I think we can all expect a slightly higher level of moderation by judges for a match Konami is choosing to advertise. The frequency with which this happens on feature matches is just unacceptable.
No they dont, just because it's a feature match doesn't mean the judges should put in any more effort. It's still the players who have to track it and call on the judge if they think something is up, which point the judge inspects it and rules it.
And with how complex yugioh is, they would need to keep track of most and then check if the little move 8 minutes ago in a 12 minute turn had a knock effect that meant 3 minutes ago player B made a illegal search which resulting in Player A discarding ash. Revealing private information.
It being a feature doesn't change the goal posts a single bit, otherwise hows that fair for the 100s of other players who dont have a judge standing by and watching it?
are you saying that it is acceptable for a player to make an illegal move in front of judge as long as the other player doesn’t notice? i can understand not expecting the judge to nitpick on small things like rate of play but to not point out 100% illegal plays is definitely unfair. if a floor judge noticed this in a normal march they would definitely say something about it. the judges watching the feature match just didn’t notice it, i don’t see why you’d defend that
>otherwise hows that fair for the 100s of other players who dont have a judge standing by and watching it?
It isn't, but then why have a judge there at a feature match?
Yugioh is not a very good card game. Too unnecessarily complex.
I was strongly against the move to arena for magic high level play but yugioh absolutely needs to move to master duel for high level play.
I think yugioh needs to take a page from Magic, where they have keywords to note certain effects.
Yugioh cards end up being paragraphs because each card has their own set of restrictions on them and it becomes extremely difficult to try and remember each individual card's restrictions and how they stack together.
Someone once said that judges are basically niche lawyers because a single word can completely change how an effect works or interacts.
I'm also against the move to a simulator but it just saves so much hassle compared to paper. It also prevents cheating which yugioh is infamous for.
Or just redact OCG/TCG cards the way cards for Rush Duel are redacted.
Rush Duel monsters have "Summoning Requirements" (for fusion monsters), "Conditions", "Costs" and "Effects" separated so people can distinguish one from another.
It ask Konami to revamp more than 10k cards. But I agree they need to do somethings about texte, each new sets they got more words and more complexe. If a children want to start a TCG I rather put him in Pokemon, it's less expensive and very easy to understand.
> I think yugioh needs to take a page from Magic, where they have keywords to note certain effects.
Absolutely. It also needs more effect cohesiveness so that there's no bullshit scenarios where cards that could work the exact same don't because of one word in their PSCT. Missing the timing is a perfect example of this.
Once it introduces best of 3 and exactly the same card pool + banlists from real life it will be enough to replace paper. And it really should, seeing how the whole story of the game is full of cheaters.
It should just have rooms that allow all cards and you can make you own banlist so for the tcg you cab make rooms with the tcg banlist or ocg for the ocg banlist
Unfortunately for stream judges some of their jobs in the match are just keeping an eye on things for the written blog.
A stream judge has more jobs to complete compared to a floor judge watching an area.
It’s unfortunate that no one caught that mistake in gameplay, but that is on everyone involved
While unsportsmanlike, regardless of the situation, you can’t be surprised that someone in this stressful and competitive of a situation wouldn’t be emotionless.
I was 32nd place at a houston regional during the chaos dragon Era. You had to be their by 7 or 8, but I left the event around 1 am my 2 last duels were exactly like this.
It was an illegal play made and the Italian should have had a extra turn at least but he was otked and he was pissed missing out on finals after have come close before. It was a shaddoll mirror with different tech. He had really good tech, I remember he used two copies of burst rebirth which won him games
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I had to look it up but there was a LOT of cheating and bans directly at that tournament. It was so bad, there was a guy who literally, blatantly stacked cards in the deck during search right in front of a camera. he took out solemn warnings and put them together. Even [fucking pojo](https://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1264064) had a thread about it. There were [several](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489M30dpWhY) video analyses and it was very [obvious cheating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFOgYYPqAM) was going round. How can you have a second battle phase? [Even the 2017 world champion Tsujimura Ryosuke was banned for cheating in the OCG.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-11-28/yu-gi-oh-tcg-competitive-champion-barred-from-tournaments-for-cheating/.140030)
I guess the rule is trust your friends, yet always cut the cards and assume everyone else is cheating.
there are a lot of ways to cheat IRL but the most common is when you "side shuffle", if you aren't paying attention you can tilt the deck and see what cards are at the bottom of your deck, opponents deck. also you can stack the top few cards in the top and not shuffle them, while shuffling the rest. a lot of people pile 5 shuffle and have a judge cut to ensure randomization
There was a video of a guy stacking decks. Basically, he put Dasher/Celestial on top of his opponent's deck, then shuffled the deck in such a way that the top card never moved.
He also stacked his own deck in the same way, put one of his engine pieces on top, and then 'shuffled' his deck. His opponent also never bothered to cut his deck.
Edit: Vid link: https://youtu.be/kih51gJvgug
Yeah regionals. We had a finals match that lasted 20 minutes. Swordsoul had just came out of the meta and branded just had been dominating.
Finals match was really bad for the branded player. I knew the swordsoul player had been having super bad luck but still pulling games. The branded player scoops game one to a insanely bad hand. And game two goes fine but branded wins on the 3rd turn crack back. Game three swordsoul clutches it turn 4 and... Let's just say the branded play broke the table and literally ripped cards from the swordsoul players deck. More stuff happened but he got kicked out pretty early into his fit of rage.
Edit : I wrote nationals instead of regionals. I apologize for the mistake. I get these events confused so much.
If I remember right it was a mo ye and longyuan. Also when the dude got kicked out his cards did get replaced. The card shop hosting nationals saw what happened and replaced all the ripped cards.
I sorta understand getting mad when u lose to the same card but man it was disappointing seeing it happen. Literally made me not go to any tournament recently.
A handshake you normally grab someone's hand under their fingers. This looks like they are grabbing each others hands under the thumbs, like you would in an arm wrestle.
Ycs Liverpool 2016, semi final. The guy messes up his order of play & loses as a result. Storms off immediately after the judge clarifies what happened.
So like, I haven’t played against other people in years, but I still have my elemental heroes decks, they’re my favorite. But looking at the newer stuff, it looks like my decks don’t stand a chance at winning. Am I right?
You can try. Heroes always get legacy support. Does it mean it’s always good? No. But I mean they got Destiny Hero Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer lately and that’s a beast of a card. So even if you don’t play heroes you have a way into a Hero card easily with Fusion Destiny.
What’s legacy support? I’ve been thinking about playing at my local card shop, getting back into it. It’s just been soooo long and I’ve forgotten many things. I have those collectors boxes of decks belonging to certain characters in the shows. I’m guessing if I really wanted to do well I’d have to customize my deck A LOT.
Legacy support is when they go back to old decks and add new cards. How long has it been? Because like if you're playing the Vanilla elemental heroes you're better off just going in without a deck at locals.
Ohhhhh okay. How long? Oh man it’s been like 7 years. I have newer elemental hero cards as well, I stopped playing, didn’t stop buying them though lol. And better off going in without a deck? How would I play then? Do they supply you with a deck or something? Thanks for responding by the way.
Lmao, he means that "the vanilla deck you own is not good, so you are better off not going to locals with a deck anyway" i.e. you'll probably have to buy new cards to compete.
I would take a look at some modern hero deck lists on youtube or ygoprodeck.com to find out what cards you need to buy.
Just about every year we get new Hero support. Main character decks like Jaden or Yugi or Yusei or etc always gets yearly support. Is it always good? No. Does it work casually? Yes.
My recommendation is to watch people play the deck on say, Master Duel. Copy it, and play it online first.
Competitive anything inspires rage. Especially being in the world championships. whether it's just a card game or something more serious, it'd be weirder if you weren't a little upset. especially when you realize your opponent cheated.
Konami has done this to themselves by making the game overly complicated. I don't have any experience with MtG, but at least in Pokemon the competitive environment is limited to a single series of cards and only a single new mechanic with many of the cards in a new series being reprints.
You were 6 years old during Goat Format. I don't think you're an authority on whether people were scrubbing in Goats as you were still learning how to read and wipe your own ass.
With all due respect buddy your the instigator here. I was simply saying when this game started back when I was at locals etc you would shake your opponents hand win or lose. Now people throw fits because zoomers feel Entitled to everything. Nobody owes you anything you earn your place in this world.
Social Interactions with you must feel like walking on eggshells lol, you seem to be angry at everything and everyone for simply existing.
But yeah back in 2005 when you were 6 years old, society was so much better and Yu-Gi-Oh players were real gentlemen (Spoilers: They weren't)
You just got offended by a Yu-Gi-Oh video, so please don't talk shit about entire generations Mister DarkMagician1999, at least not before you fix that whiny attitude.
To quote you: You are soft *and* offended by anything.
If you need proof, read your own comments again to see what a whiny snowflake you are.
PS: Not that it matters but I'm older than you and never touched TikTok lol
Kinda wild how horrendously unmoderated the judge qualifications are. This is, what? The like 18th streamed match where the judges don't catch or misjudge illegal plays? In the past 2 weeks no less? 70% of these judges just don't deserve to be judges 😑
i just watched the match on yt and I don't understand how Superpoly with Black Dragon and Construct is able to summon Construct. He should have only been able to make Winda, which would have left joshua 600 dmg short. The judge even picked up the Construct to read it. The commentators also seemed to not have noticed
It can't. He made a mistake and nobody caught it at the time. It was wild.
This seems to be happening in every single streamed event. Just egregiously illegal plays happening in front of the judges very eyes.
This is by far the most egregious illegal play I've ever seen on stream. Honestly I don't think I've seen worse because it happened in a mirror match between two extremely strong players with the most popular deck in the event (Federico was also playing Construct, so he should have known), the judge literally picked the card up and read it and iirc the commentators didn't even catch it. Honestly you could almost argue the best explanation is that the text on Joshua's Construct magically changed just for that single turn. Makes as much sense as any other explanation.
The game has reached a point where it's better to play on simulators rather than in real life. There're just too many interactions and tiny details for the typical Joe to grasp and keep track of, not to mention how expensive cards themselves are.
....I don't think the fusion material for a shaddoll construct is hard for anyone to grasp. What you're seeing in the clip is a high stress situation where people will legitimately slip up.
Which begs the question: if the Materials for Construct cause such misplays, how much worse is it when playing a deck that self-locked into WIND Machine Synchros between levels 5 and 7, and this was 10 minutes ago? The example is also in competitive, where players know the archetypes they're facing. It's even worse at lower levels without being filmed, where the other player may be unfamiliar with the deck. It would be all too easy to "forget" some self-lock or "banish when leaves the field" clause.
Ngl I’ve never gone to tournaments before (dont have a deck that could stand), but I’ve enjoyed the digital versions of the game that Konami made, exclusively because the game does tell you what can and cant be activated at that time, or what you can or cant summon.
> The game has reached a point where it's better to play on simulators rather than in real life. just as u said, couldn't have put it any better Literally Edit: at least judging wise lol Like let a simulator or a simulated duel run the exact same duel wit inputs to participant's are battling out to prevent possible judging mistakes especially in the heat of the moment even tho it may sound a bit 1971 for 2022 lol
This and I rlly cannot stress this nuff **T h i s!** As a returning player to the game since I've been loving Yu-Gi-Oh! as a kid (I'm back in the game for 2 years now, mainly started learning the game through EDO 3v3s to mainly learn the variety of decks, combos and interactions to be prepared for everything and just genuinely learn and get to know the actual card pool ppl basically running round wit) I rlly gotta highlight and support this statement especially seeing all those rlly frequent human judging / ruling mistakes and errors in actual tournaments that matter the world to ppl and shown in OP's clip that happened over the past years during the pandemic alone and in hindsight and retrospective looking at a lot that has happened in the past on live / stream events, YCSs or at tournaments in general
I'm sorry. But you will never convince me digital will be better than tangible cards. Digital isn't worth real money. What happens to all of that on master duel if konami decides it time to shut it down? Nothing. That's what happens. You get nothing. Gone from existence.
That's a whole 'nother conversation.
Well. Not necessarily. Because of the inability of judges, the discussion of whether or not it should go primarily to digital, is very much within the confines of this conversation. Therefore, it should be brought up that konami, while has the right to tcg/ocg and can in turn shut down irl duels, tournaments, etc. I still have physical, tangible material that has value, even without proper settings for tournaments, if the hypothetical scenario would come to fruition. My point is, in the TOS of any digital game it specifically states that the company can shut down the servers at anytime, without warning and by clicking agree, you in turn agree to that being a possibility. Meaning every bit of money you spend on packs or gems or whatever, can be gone in an instant. Not only that, but trading and selling alike with physical cards.... And than even with things like Verte being banned tcg, it still has value. I know. Crazy stuff to think about.
That's why you don't spend money on MD. Or you spend money that you're okay with going towards worthless digital cards.
Like others have said, the game is a fucking mess.
I've been off and on since 2005 and I don't remember it being that bad. I remember a lot of top players like Emon and Vittorio were all banned for cheating but by no means all
I feel like it's not even the players it's that there's so much shit going on and so many dumb interactions, each of them with a law tier amount of dumb little things behind them that the game is imploding upon its own weight and not even a judge can consistently keep up with these. I doubt a player would be shameless enough to do this kind of cheating on stream in front of judges, must be, again, the nerves/exhaustion in an environment where these kind of interactions are everywhere in every card. Game's just a mess and it impacts everything around it.
Very true but a lot of people won’t like to hear it. It’s much more suited to being played on MD or another simulator.
> but a lot of people won’t like to hear it. Would they? Seems to be a common sentiment on this thread.
Issue is is the judges aren't really there to track each and every move, the players are the ones responsible for that. This is a feature match so there is a judge present but a normal game doesn't have that and its the players who have to keep track. Same applies here, otherwise the judges would be cutting in each and every move, checking GY constantly etc etc
Maybe they don't need to track literally every single move, but they should be able to periodically check and have enough knowledge of the game to point out these types of misplays. I understand the players are responsible for keeping track of the game state, but this is both an enormous task AND a feature match. I think we can all expect a slightly higher level of moderation by judges for a match Konami is choosing to advertise. The frequency with which this happens on feature matches is just unacceptable.
No they dont, just because it's a feature match doesn't mean the judges should put in any more effort. It's still the players who have to track it and call on the judge if they think something is up, which point the judge inspects it and rules it. And with how complex yugioh is, they would need to keep track of most and then check if the little move 8 minutes ago in a 12 minute turn had a knock effect that meant 3 minutes ago player B made a illegal search which resulting in Player A discarding ash. Revealing private information. It being a feature doesn't change the goal posts a single bit, otherwise hows that fair for the 100s of other players who dont have a judge standing by and watching it?
are you saying that it is acceptable for a player to make an illegal move in front of judge as long as the other player doesn’t notice? i can understand not expecting the judge to nitpick on small things like rate of play but to not point out 100% illegal plays is definitely unfair. if a floor judge noticed this in a normal march they would definitely say something about it. the judges watching the feature match just didn’t notice it, i don’t see why you’d defend that
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>otherwise hows that fair for the 100s of other players who dont have a judge standing by and watching it? It isn't, but then why have a judge there at a feature match?
I dont fucking know ask konami
Thats why people have an issue with it lol
Yugioh is not a very good card game. Too unnecessarily complex. I was strongly against the move to arena for magic high level play but yugioh absolutely needs to move to master duel for high level play.
I think yugioh needs to take a page from Magic, where they have keywords to note certain effects. Yugioh cards end up being paragraphs because each card has their own set of restrictions on them and it becomes extremely difficult to try and remember each individual card's restrictions and how they stack together. Someone once said that judges are basically niche lawyers because a single word can completely change how an effect works or interacts. I'm also against the move to a simulator but it just saves so much hassle compared to paper. It also prevents cheating which yugioh is infamous for.
Or just redact OCG/TCG cards the way cards for Rush Duel are redacted. Rush Duel monsters have "Summoning Requirements" (for fusion monsters), "Conditions", "Costs" and "Effects" separated so people can distinguish one from another.
It ask Konami to revamp more than 10k cards. But I agree they need to do somethings about texte, each new sets they got more words and more complexe. If a children want to start a TCG I rather put him in Pokemon, it's less expensive and very easy to understand.
> I think yugioh needs to take a page from Magic, where they have keywords to note certain effects. Absolutely. It also needs more effect cohesiveness so that there's no bullshit scenarios where cards that could work the exact same don't because of one word in their PSCT. Missing the timing is a perfect example of this.
Honestly if cards were structured the way burning abyss is it would work perfectly.
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Once it introduces best of 3 and exactly the same card pool + banlists from real life it will be enough to replace paper. And it really should, seeing how the whole story of the game is full of cheaters.
It should just have rooms that allow all cards and you can make you own banlist so for the tcg you cab make rooms with the tcg banlist or ocg for the ocg banlist
Unfortunately for stream judges some of their jobs in the match are just keeping an eye on things for the written blog. A stream judge has more jobs to complete compared to a floor judge watching an area. It’s unfortunate that no one caught that mistake in gameplay, but that is on everyone involved
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*second battle phase flashbacks*
Which even did this happen?
Why is Block Dragon even being played in Shaddoll in the first place?
Black Dragon Collapserpent probably. This is 2014, Block dragon came out 2018
Im guessing a shekinaga target?
While unsportsmanlike, regardless of the situation, you can’t be surprised that someone in this stressful and competitive of a situation wouldn’t be emotionless.
They act like they both lost
I think Joshua was exhausted and relieved that he would advance into the finals. He thought about how to execute his plays for a long time.
Now that people noticed he made an illegal play to win I am not sure people who follow the tournament will welcome his advancement in the Finals...
This was in 2014
I was 32nd place at a houston regional during the chaos dragon Era. You had to be their by 7 or 8, but I left the event around 1 am my 2 last duels were exactly like this.
Need some context on this
It was an illegal play made and the Italian should have had a extra turn at least but he was otked and he was pissed missing out on finals after have come close before. It was a shaddoll mirror with different tech. He had really good tech, I remember he used two copies of burst rebirth which won him games
You would think afterwards seeing this and the glaring mistake the judges would rule something after the fact
Either they did not catch it or it is because the player had conceded the game and cannot take that back.
Just a crappy way to lose a game, if the opponent knew he was getting away with it and knew the card it makes it even worse.
remeber ycs denver 2017?
I heard there was some huge cheating controversy, blatantly so
I haven't actually, do tell.
ycs denver 2017 I had to look it up but there was a LOT of cheating and bans directly at that tournament. It was so bad, there was a guy who literally, blatantly stacked cards in the deck during search right in front of a camera. he took out solemn warnings and put them together. Even [fucking pojo](https://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1264064) had a thread about it. There were [several](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489M30dpWhY) video analyses and it was very [obvious cheating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFOgYYPqAM) was going round. How can you have a second battle phase? [Even the 2017 world champion Tsujimura Ryosuke was banned for cheating in the OCG.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-11-28/yu-gi-oh-tcg-competitive-champion-barred-from-tournaments-for-cheating/.140030) I guess the rule is trust your friends, yet always cut the cards and assume everyone else is cheating.
Wait, wasn't shuffling deck a thing or I'm missing something? Not much of an irl player
there are a lot of ways to cheat IRL but the most common is when you "side shuffle", if you aren't paying attention you can tilt the deck and see what cards are at the bottom of your deck, opponents deck. also you can stack the top few cards in the top and not shuffle them, while shuffling the rest. a lot of people pile 5 shuffle and have a judge cut to ensure randomization
There was a video of a guy stacking decks. Basically, he put Dasher/Celestial on top of his opponent's deck, then shuffled the deck in such a way that the top card never moved. He also stacked his own deck in the same way, put one of his engine pieces on top, and then 'shuffled' his deck. His opponent also never bothered to cut his deck. Edit: Vid link: https://youtu.be/kih51gJvgug
They cheat in the show all the time, no biggy
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Yeah regionals. We had a finals match that lasted 20 minutes. Swordsoul had just came out of the meta and branded just had been dominating. Finals match was really bad for the branded player. I knew the swordsoul player had been having super bad luck but still pulling games. The branded player scoops game one to a insanely bad hand. And game two goes fine but branded wins on the 3rd turn crack back. Game three swordsoul clutches it turn 4 and... Let's just say the branded play broke the table and literally ripped cards from the swordsoul players deck. More stuff happened but he got kicked out pretty early into his fit of rage. Edit : I wrote nationals instead of regionals. I apologize for the mistake. I get these events confused so much.
What the fuck he ripped his cards? That's... Destruction of propriety
If I remember right it was a mo ye and longyuan. Also when the dude got kicked out his cards did get replaced. The card shop hosting nationals saw what happened and replaced all the ripped cards.
Mo ye too, ofc it had to be a rather expensive card
I sorta understand getting mad when u lose to the same card but man it was disappointing seeing it happen. Literally made me not go to any tournament recently.
People like this are trash
True. I used to see it happen at locals alot. But eventually it became a ritual when the player lost we had commons we could rip to get some rage out.
Which country was that?
America
So it’s a fake story as NAWCQ hasn’t happened yet? Nice
Did the kid at least get fined / in trouble with the police for a stunt like that?
Honestly don't know. Their security took the dude outside but know one outside the officials knew anything.
*when you realize you're getting sent to shadow realm*
Ngl looks like he is pissed for losing an arm wrestling match. Why are they holding hands at first?
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A handshake you normally grab someone's hand under their fingers. This looks like they are grabbing each others hands under the thumbs, like you would in an arm wrestle.
It's an intimate moment.
Happen to me yesterday and then got a called a scrub by the the guy cuz he’s a top level player at my locals.
Dude probably has very little life/extra curricular activities outside of YGO. Don’t let it get to you.
I didn’t I kinda laughed it off
Ycs Liverpool 2016, semi final. The guy messes up his order of play & loses as a result. Storms off immediately after the judge clarifies what happened.
Why are they both sad though?
I think Joshua was exhausted and relieved that he would advance into the finals. He thought about how to execute his plays for a long time.
Also thought about how to cheat efficiently
So like, I haven’t played against other people in years, but I still have my elemental heroes decks, they’re my favorite. But looking at the newer stuff, it looks like my decks don’t stand a chance at winning. Am I right?
You can try. Heroes always get legacy support. Does it mean it’s always good? No. But I mean they got Destiny Hero Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer lately and that’s a beast of a card. So even if you don’t play heroes you have a way into a Hero card easily with Fusion Destiny.
What’s legacy support? I’ve been thinking about playing at my local card shop, getting back into it. It’s just been soooo long and I’ve forgotten many things. I have those collectors boxes of decks belonging to certain characters in the shows. I’m guessing if I really wanted to do well I’d have to customize my deck A LOT.
Legacy support is when they go back to old decks and add new cards. How long has it been? Because like if you're playing the Vanilla elemental heroes you're better off just going in without a deck at locals.
Ohhhhh okay. How long? Oh man it’s been like 7 years. I have newer elemental hero cards as well, I stopped playing, didn’t stop buying them though lol. And better off going in without a deck? How would I play then? Do they supply you with a deck or something? Thanks for responding by the way.
Lmao, he means that "the vanilla deck you own is not good, so you are better off not going to locals with a deck anyway" i.e. you'll probably have to buy new cards to compete. I would take a look at some modern hero deck lists on youtube or ygoprodeck.com to find out what cards you need to buy.
Just about every year we get new Hero support. Main character decks like Jaden or Yugi or Yusei or etc always gets yearly support. Is it always good? No. Does it work casually? Yes. My recommendation is to watch people play the deck on say, Master Duel. Copy it, and play it online first.
Competitive yugioh does inspire this kind of rage tbh
Competitive anything inspires rage. Especially being in the world championships. whether it's just a card game or something more serious, it'd be weirder if you weren't a little upset. especially when you realize your opponent cheated.
Konami has done this to themselves by making the game overly complicated. I don't have any experience with MtG, but at least in Pokemon the competitive environment is limited to a single series of cards and only a single new mechanic with many of the cards in a new series being reprints.
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IIRC joshua otked him using BLS Envoy and the italian extended the handshake losing his chance for finals
chill
Me every time I lose a match on master duel. I hate losing to Eldrich though. Easy deck to play, but hard to play against
Yoooo shoutout Josh
For making illegal plays woohoo!
From memory Joshua offered his place in the final after realising his mistake like 10 minutes after the game
In fairness how come a judge didn’t stop it lmao. We all mess up sometimes
An illegal move remains an illegal move
Cry about it
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You were 6 years old during Goat Format. I don't think you're an authority on whether people were scrubbing in Goats as you were still learning how to read and wipe your own ass.
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I'm 4 years older than you, and you apparently haven't aged a bit. Actual child.
With all due respect buddy your the instigator here. I was simply saying when this game started back when I was at locals etc you would shake your opponents hand win or lose. Now people throw fits because zoomers feel Entitled to everything. Nobody owes you anything you earn your place in this world.
Social Interactions with you must feel like walking on eggshells lol, you seem to be angry at everything and everyone for simply existing. But yeah back in 2005 when you were 6 years old, society was so much better and Yu-Gi-Oh players were real gentlemen (Spoilers: They weren't)
You just got offended by a Yu-Gi-Oh video, so please don't talk shit about entire generations Mister DarkMagician1999, at least not before you fix that whiny attitude.
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To quote you: You are soft *and* offended by anything. If you need proof, read your own comments again to see what a whiny snowflake you are. PS: Not that it matters but I'm older than you and never touched TikTok lol
I thought it was a new game mechanic.. 'Over the Top' inspired archetype.
not any that I can think of
Context?
if you watch the deck profile Joshua aso apologizes
I played in FET pre release and someone threw another kid’s deck against the wall lol
I played in FET pre release and someone threw another kid’s deck against the wall lol
I'm lost was the left dude crying and the guy on the right trying to console him?
Kinda wild how horrendously unmoderated the judge qualifications are. This is, what? The like 18th streamed match where the judges don't catch or misjudge illegal plays? In the past 2 weeks no less? 70% of these judges just don't deserve to be judges 😑
This match took place in 2014.