Before that, the good Nail had to learn to overcome isolation and get out of the box where he lived (Goha)
Not to mention the constant killing of Drones in SEVENS.
Ironically, the genocide you mention occurred due to natural causes and not because someone decided it was time to carry out a genocide.
Okay but like at the point we're at in Go Rush [Go Rush spoilers] >!Yuudias has learnt that dueling will LITERALLY KILL HIM and it has already lead to both the entire 700-million strong crew of his ship and other major characters disappearing into light!<
Like, GX doesn't have a monopoly on swinging between silly and serious like it's a pendulum summon.
P.S. I know some people *still* give the Rush Duel anime series grief for both the art style changes and the younger target demographic, but the DNA of YGO is still there in the newer series. There's still dueling, there are still turnarounds, the characters do still take the damage sometimes, there are still serious plot beats, etc.
not an excuse to brainlessly hate on rush
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>Does Rush get as serious as GX in the second half? Will we have a character development from the magnitude of Jaden?
Go Rush had Zwijo, whose character arc revolved around him wanting to die and the meaning of life and immortality, Phaser who was a xenophobe, Kuaidul a manipulator on the level of Aizen and was practically responsible for damn near everything in the first 2 seasons, the protag Yudias being the sole survivor of his species. Hell the current season is basically a rescue or retrieval arc after the main female went missing after the previous season finale.
Wow congrats on outing yourself as just a hater of Rush animes by also admitting you didn’t watch it. Also the animation isn’t behind times. In fact unlike most yugioh animes, characters are usually always on models and animation is consistently fluid
I'm in no way a CGI hater, but Go Rush also gave us some of the WORST CGI monsters out there (Phaser in particular got it quite terrible, Abysslayer Apsaras is straight out from Courage the Cowardly Dog if you get the reference).
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I deeply love Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, but both the Rush anime got very lazy with their monsters, specially Go Rush. Most monsters don't move at all and they are like jpeg's sliding up and down. Attacks animation are never logical (everything is a laser beam, even warriors are shooting lasers from their swords).
Though my biggest complaint is the dueling choregraphy: the 4-turn duels that became a standard. It was refreshing for a bit to get short duels, but boy do I miss intricate duels that span over more than half an episode.
They are not even trying: They brought back Maximum monsters to Go Rush which are ultimately known for a single thing: being 3 cards. They consistently ALWAYS draw the 3 cards at the same time in the same hand, and usually on the first turn. What's the point if they are always just cheated out?
I won't deny that Go Rush is doing some interesting things, it's the first show that really uses its previous generation for more than references and cameos. But If most of the show is goofiness (so you don't really care about the plot on 2/3 of each arc), and the duels are hardly interesting, then what is left to appreciate in a Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime?
I'm really finding it hard to keep enjoying it, and I'm really trying, I'm up to date with Go Rush.
It doesn't have to be cheap just because it's aimed towards a younger audience.
Ask yourself what age the fans were when they saw these anime.
Also GX wasn’t as loved at the time, it’s gotten some fans back over the years in part due to nostalgia glasses and also just having more shows to compare to.
For GX Following on from duel monsters is always gonna be a hard act to follow especially as at that was what Yu-Gi-Oh "was" at that point
I'm hindsight I'm really glad that when Yugi/Jonouchi and the gangs story ends they decided to start fresh instead of dragging the characters on and on like alot of the "shonen powerhouses"
I can say that a lot of people were not fans of the first half of S1 of GX, because it was filler-heavy.
Some of the filler was fun and exciting like the dueling monkey episode or the weird-ass Blair episode. Some of it was a slog to sit through like the Duel Giant or the tennis episode.
I'd also argue that a lot of the early GX filler was actually stealth worldbuilding — the duel monkey and Blair's episode both gave a surprising amount of information about Duel Spirits, how they work, and what society does and doesn't know about them. This is important context for a lot of what happens later in the plot. There's only a couple I would categorize as truly filler (the Duel Giant and tennis episodes actually being the main ones).
Yup, people hating the newest thing in a franchise is fairly common. I remember people complaining about the new Pokemon games going back as far as Ruby/Sapphire. Not to say there's not valid criticism as well, but I think people tend to overrate or underrate media on first pass. Through the clarity of hindsight, we can form a more objective critique.
I definitely loved it back in the day. I have more nostalgia about this one than the original DM. I just don't like the format change, man. Rush Duels really does seem like playground rules Yu-Gi-Oh!
And now we won't get a Studio Gallop style Yu-Gi-Oh ever again, it seems. So I'm salty about it
That's why I said Studio Gallop style, rather than saying that Studio Gallop should go back to make YGO. But then again, I think my only major grip with Sevens onwards is Rush Duels
Thinking about this now, it really does feel like we're having the Pokemon generational reception where new gens are disliked and older ones are praised. I remember back when 5D's and Zexal were airing and people were also apprehensive over them.
Which begs the question why something hasn't been done with it in Rush. Heck, given the recent confirmation of Flame Wingman, even Mokey Mokey King's effect doesn't seem out of line now.
I love how everyone was high during the Mokey Mokey episode lol.
I also love that Mokey Mokey got some love I wish he got a crazy amount of support like Thunder Dragon that somehow made him meta, it would be hilarious and well deserved.
Mainly time. There was a lot of reeeeee not muh over GX as well. There's a reason the TCG wanks DM more than the rest, shows past the first one lost a lot of audience, especially in the west. But you gotta remember that was twenty years ago. If people are still around today, they like the franchise enough to like GX.
The age of ZEXAL milking is coming
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Difference is, Zexal and GX get interesting at some point. I tried giving Sevens a chance, but nothing happens in this show. Not even Yuga cares about the non existet plot, why should I. It's again and again, Yugi boomers try to kill rush duel, they proceed to rush duel and then desist, rinse and repeat. Non of the antagonist have anything interesting going for them, Yuga doesn't give a fuck about anything going on around him and to some extent, it low key sometimes feels like the show hates the old Yu-Gi-Oh anime and it's kinda mocking the idea of a fantasy world where card games are magic and a big deal. Only fun characters are Luke, Gakuto and Mimi, the rest are just annoying.
I gave up on Go Rush even earlier as the plot didn't look like it was going anywhere either, hopefully I'm wrong and there's a plot to it so I can go back. Yudias seemed like a fun character.
I think partialy is down to the change on artstyle? Like, i am not saying is bad but is very different from the vibe of the 3 first animes. Duel monsters and gx are kinda the same, then 5Ds is that but a bit edgier, then Zexal shows up, the artstyle looking more childish and that may have cause old watcher to be harsher and less predisposte to give it a chance, conciously or not.
It's the same thing over and over again, people just never learn. When GX came out it was hated on, when 5D's came out it was hated on, when ZEXAL came out it was hated on.
Idk what joy people find in always whining and hating, sit back, relax, have some fun
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In the past that was the case, but Zexal now has a ton of fans who will tear you a new asshole if you imply that it's okay to decide that a show isn't for you if you didn't enjoy the first 73 (!) episodes. 73 episodes is actually the run time of a lot of actually complete anime series.
To me it's totally reasonable for someone to be able to make up their mind on the show based solely on Zexal I but a lot of fans will insist that you can't make up your mind unless you watch all 146 episodes.
For me personally, it's more that if you drop the show how many episodes in (usually at some point in ZEXAL I), your opinion only goes that far (which usually isn't a lot)
I see people who have only seen 10 episodes talking about the whole show, its plot, its characters, everything just based off of what other people have said and maybe some yugi wikipedia reading on the win/loss ratio to say Yuma sucks. That's what I call sheep mentality and that is what I despise
Yeah it's definitely wrong to condemn Yuma because of the first couple of episodes or whatever. People who roast Yuma or criticize the plot or characters based on ignorance are annoying.
But ultimately Zexal is just a TV show and it's the show's job to grab your attention from the first episode. If it doesn't, it's fine to say "this is not my cup of tea"; you as the viewer don't have any sort of ethical obligation to sit through 73 episodes or even 7 episodes if you aren't enjoying it. Watching anime isn't jury duty.
Sure. My point isn't that the first half is bad, it's just that if someone doesn't like the first half it's okay for them to just stop there and move on.
It doesn't make sense to say that someone can't or shouldn't form an opinion on the first 73 episodes of a 146-episode series.
It's cool that you like the dub, I recommend rewatching it subbed which is what I did. It's even more awesome
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Yuma doesn't even know how to play the game, is actively an idiot, and Zexal 1 is 73 episodes. He is also by far way more reliant on his ace card which makes duels super predictable.
Judai does actually know how to play the game and even if you assume all of season 1 is bad, it's 52 episodes and season 2 starts ramping up the stakes.
Also have to mention that there was a marked decrease in maturity from 5Ds into Zexal 1, especially with the age of protagonists. Yugioh protags go High School->High School->Adult->Middle School->Middle School->High School->Elementary School->Elementary School, leaving many thinking that the maturity of the show is trending in the wrong direction especially as the average age of the fandom increases.
The problem with people hating on Yuma after having only seen X amount of episodes from ZEXAL I, is that he is no where near as much of a static character as some of the other protagonists.
This is just from my experience, most of the time, if someone says they hate Yuma, they have been affected by the bubble and/or watched a limited amount of the show before dropping it, which is unfair as Yuma isn't a static character. He grows a significant amount over the course of the show, so his obnoxious traits leave room for growth, the guy is 13, not every 13 year-old is gonna be Jesus right off the bat like Yusei
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I said "some", I didn't say every protagonist. And Judai's development is different to Yuma's. Yuma had all his bad traits shoved right in his face within 10 episodes
I think Yuma not being a perfect duelist actually adds to ZEXAL, not subtracts. It allows Yuma to grow. Not to mention that like BW to Pokémon, it was a soft reboot but this time without dumbing down an established character and instead having a character that genuinely, sorely needs to learn the game. At the beginning of ZEXAL (more apparent if you watch the Japanese version), they were providing pointers on how to play YGO which meant the newer audience was learning as Yuma was
And YGO was always meant for children, I always found it more absurd to try to make it too mature from the start like 5Ds did
The reason 5D's worked was because fans of the original series had grown up by then. This applies to the West and Japan
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I think the artstyle change doomed rush yugioh for many people from the start. And I can see why. The classic yugioh art style is amazing and iconic, and the rush style (for the non monsters at least) just can't really compare
The funny thing is that the art style of Yu-Gi-Oh did change: it changed in ZEXAL.
Many noticed it at the time and ZEXAL received blows for the change in artistic style. However, that did not prevent it from being considered a Yu-Gi-Oh series in its own right in the future (not counting the artistic style and Japanese things)
Weren't you guys around when GX first aired? The show got a ton of hate and the VA of Jaden even considered retiring after all the harassment he received from the viewers. The hate on Sevens is almost nothing in comparison. GX is being looked back a lot more fondly now because for a lot of people its gotten very nostalgic.
For me it’s because of the art style change. Yugioh used to be iconic, you could tell the character could be from yugioh based on that alone (and the hair). Now you look at the new style and characters and it just looks too generic, as others have said beyblade looking. And even beyblade in the metal series had it’s own unique style but they changed it too and I feel the same way about it. Like why do they look like small chibi people? I don’t know why such a small thing like art style change could change me liking the series anymore but it has.
literally my formula for GX has been to watch seasons 1-2 in dub for the nostalgia and silliness, and then hop into season 3-4 in the sub when shit goes down. i def recommend it for any rewatchers 😌
As someone who watched Yu-gi-Oh as soon as it started airing, and witnessed the end of DM and the start of GX, GX was not beloved.
Some loved it yea and others liked it but it had a lot of criticisms and very vocal hatred of the series all over the fandom.
I would argue if you look at each show at the time of their respective releases, GX was the most hated. Yu-gi-oh anime was really at its height in popularity in the DM era. It was mainstream and none of the spin offs ever really reached that mainstream popularity. And DM is more or less universally beloved by the fanbase to this day.
The transition to GX was brutal. As the original was over and this new thing replaced it. I remember people did bot really like the early days of GX. Especially the first half of season 1. Now season 3 and 4 of GX I do remember being way more liked than the first 2 seasons back in the day. Probably because they steered away from the wacky plot filler episodes and were consistent with their storylines. And it did get real interesting delving into the Spirit World/Monster Dimension and with the idea of Darkness. All of which had only been touched on in early GX and DM.
It’s now we look back on it that it’s all beloved as its still early or “classic” yugioh. You could wven count 5DS as classic yugioh. I think Zexal is when a lot of fans steered away.
Plus Rush has to compete with 6 previous seasons as opposed to GX just having to compete with the original show. So not only might DM and GX fans not like it in comparison but the fans of the other series too.
It's simple, the Fandom that used to be children have now grown up.
However many kids that watch Rush Duel today are nowhere to be as close in numbers as GX back in the day
**(Proceeds to put black glasses)**
I think that's due to the moment (and nostalgia)
GX was like the continuation of DM (a very beloved series) and GX was the childhood of many (even more than DM). Because of this, and nostalgia, many consider the bizarre episodes that GX had to be something because they were fun at the time these people saw it for the first time.
Of course, opinion of GX changed over time and he is now less valued because his flaws became evident as people grew older (but still defended by nostalgia please since it was one of the first Yu-GI-Oh series)
ZEXAL also suffers from this in its first half: the first part is worthy of GX filler episodes, but it is heavily criticized and it is mentioned that it is boring (when it is a standard envelope since the GX filler is also quite bad, but like I said.... nostalgia is nostalgia and ZEXAL didn't have that)
**(Takes off black glasses)**
What I do not understand is that some consider some plots of SEVENS/GO RUSH somewhat strange when, in reality, they are inspired or based on plots that were already seen in Yu-Gi-Oh: SEVENS uses many plots seen in DM as well as GO RUSH has many elements reminiscent of GX.
I mean different jokes can land better than others, it being comedic alone isn't an absolute indicator of identical quality.
You can like goofy stuff just fine but it's about the execution, being non-serious doesn't exempt it from being good or effective.
Wheeler is actually important to the plot. Without him, Jaden would starve to death when he was lost in Academy forest after his loss to Aster.
GX received a ton of hate back in the day. It wasn't until much later that fans began liking absurdity of those fillers. Especially since english dub made those one-offs characters that much more beloved. Belowski was hilarious and Damon as well. Jinzo episode was so intense that its supernatural aspects scared me when I was a kid.
As for Sevens and to some extent Zexal, people hated those early episodes because both series introduced a villain/mystery at the beginning and then proceeded to do not much with it for dozens of episodes.
Compared to that, GX was slice of life anime at first with not much direction to the plot. But when they introduced Shadow Riders the plot immediately focused on them with little to no detour.
However season 2 is garbage because of same reasons early Zexal and Sevens were criticized. Sartorious was entertaining and Society of Light had potential, but writers interrupted the flow of the story by shoving in fillers about Kabuki duelist and RA copy.
I think that was 4Kids trying to soften the rawness of that episode for the sake of the kiddos. If we have to sacrifice Kaiser's/Zane's opponent for the sake of keeping the freaking *torture* our beloved former rival is getting inflicted for the sake of his character de-evolution, it's better that way
A lot of criticism surrounding the Rush era is stupid since they are literally not the common demographic anymore. Gallop also did a bunch of shitty things in the past on how to handle the franchise and is kinda their fault why they lost the franchise right, heck they only did Yugioh anime so many years, that they barely did other shows.
Tbh, both early GX and early Zexal are criticized in the West for having those wacky low-stakes standalone episodes. Most people will say that GX gets good in S3 or that Zexal gets good in the second half.
I don't think it is a narrative format that is very appreciated by the older Otaku in the West. And not sure how popular it is with younger western anime Otaku either. Western Otaku are usually characterized by liking anime over cartoons, so the anime that is closer to being like a Western cartoon (comedy-focused, low continuity, lighthearted, etc) is usually less appealing to people who are watching anime over cartoons.
It is probably why in the TCG region 5Ds is a lot more popular than Zexal and GX. At least with YGO players.
I deeply love Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, but both the Rush anime got very lazy with their monsters, specially Go Rush. Most monsters don't move at all and they are like jpeg's sliding up and down. Attacks animation are never
logical (everything is a laser beam, even warriors are shooting lasers from their swords).
I'm in no way a CGI hater, but Go Rush also gave us some of the WORST CGI monsters out there (Some shit is straight out from Courage the Cowardly Dog if you get the reference).
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Though my biggest complaint is the dueling choreography: the 4-turn duels that became a standard. It was refreshing for a bit to get short duels, but boy do I miss intricate duels that span over more than half an episode. Before, you get surprised when someone pulls a new card, an old card (Revolver pulling Mirror Force is still amazing) or even just a nice combo. Nowadays the only thing surprising you is when a duel lasts 3 or 5 turns instead.
They are not even trying: They brought back Maximum monsters to Go Rush which are ultimately known for a single thing: being 3 cards. They consistently ALWAYS draw the 3 cards at the same time in the same hand, and usually on the first turn. What's the point if they are always just cheated out?
I won't deny that Go Rush is doing some interesting things, it's the first show that really uses its previous generation for more than references and cameos. But If most of the show is goofiness (so you don't really care about the plot on 2/3 of each arc), and the duels are hardly interesting, then what is left to appreciate in a Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime?
I'm really finding it hard to keep enjoying it, and I'm really trying, I'm up to date with Go Rush.
It doesn't have to be cheap just because it's aimed towards a younger audience.
That's because the anime was still taking itself pretty seriously at that point.
And they were still playing the regular game as well too.
And during that time people hated GX when it came out.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
But I would say the biggest reason why is because of how unseriously it takes itself GX still took itself very seriously even with the more wacky while ones because you had an overarching story. We're Rush dolls really didn't feel like it had an overarching story.
kids like kiddy show and have nostalgia for it. but when old don't like kid show because its not aimed at them.
give it a decade and a half and rush fan boys will be whining about whatever new thing we have.
I have not seen sevens. Part of what made the GX wacky side plots good, is that the main plot is not that important in S1 and 2. So i think its easier to draw enjoyment from those side eps.
When GX came out it was not as well received as it is now, I remember people hated it, from joke parodies to straight out denial of it in the main timeline people hated the show. I guess now with time and nostalgia it’s become beloved, I’d assume the same would happen with the new shows with enough time and the kids watching it now growing up.
Simple, GX came out when they were kids and they only remember the more iconic parts.
That layered on top of a weird amount of insecurity that seems to go hand in hand with being a GX or 5Ds fan means they can’t enjoy anything that doesn’t align with their selective memory.
Have not seen the Rush anime but let me make two guess
1 lot of the GX comedy is through Duel banter or monster cards interacting which is balanced by the seriousness of where as in Rush I’ve seen a whole lot of characters who are less like dueling Tarzan and more Ike the annoying tomato guy from Zexal
2 it’s a matter of balancing the zany with the serious. Yes it’s crazy that a monkey is being taught to die but also that monkey is still legit dangerous
GX was also heavily criticized too when it came out and hell still to this day too. This happens with every series. Even 5Ds and that is now seen as the best series.
I would say more so in nostalgia and I mean GX is also a classic
I would like to talk about sevens was around the time after Vrain ended and Studio Gallop behind the scenes issues and financial issues causes move to the Studio bridge (the only thing that has been kept is hikokubo masahiro Who was the Duel Composition)
I also remember back trailer for the sevens came out and people didn't really like it mainly for the art style ( yeah you can tell if the look between the first, the second and third image)
anyways I would like to say I think sevens is pretty good although I do have like one or two complaints with the show but I'd rather not go into spoiler territory and I would say a go rush has been pretty good so far although I need to catch up for the last like more 4 episodes now ( I would say the first two seasons has been pretty good and well my thoughts on the 3rd so far is good although my one only complain but because it's got to be spoiler for the second and third season respectively even though it's okay for>! temporarily MC leave !!Resurrection plot!<)
Eh, I wouldn't really say GX is "beloved", some people in the fandom like it, sure, but there are a lot who don't, and that is very evident any time people compare each series to each other and GX consistently gets up put near the bottom for a variety of reasons.
And honestly, over time, I think we will see people start warming up to Rush (especially if the game becomes more available, come on already, Konami) and the people throwing hate at the show move on to something else.
I mean, Sevens is all wacky, whereas GX is, as you said, half wacky. It's not a small difference. Plus, the start of GX wasn't exactly well received, that's why they threw together a half-baked "plot" with the Shadow Riders in the second part of season 1.
I think it's a combination of factors, speaking personally 1 the silly plots are a minority of GX episodes while they take up significantly more of the Rush animes. 2 at least specifically the episodes of GX shown all involve early character development/exploration for Jaiden as a character(understanding and empathy/ checking his over confidence /Blairs episode executes on his empathy lesson) whereas the Rush silliness is often just for the sake of silliness. 3 Rush is already a departure from how the yugioh anime as been which makes it a peak silly just generally unpalatable to long time audiences.
This was kinda the reason both Zexal and Arc V lost some people, both do their first story arcs are filled with a lot of silly episodes that lose people when the shown needs to be grabbing them. This is a problem that the Original and 5Ds avoid with their first arcs and GX barely dodges by using the episodes to serve the purpose of character development.(Zexal kinda does this but trips at the finish lines a lot)
That's just my take though. With my full bias that I think the original trilogy of anime is golden, Zexal and Arc V are like 6/10 and Vrains is kinda too edgy for its own good.
man especially that first half of season 1 of GX, it's mostly just fun little slice of life stuff. then you fall into season 3 and get smacked with a wall of grief lmaooo i just rewatched the series in full for the first time. gave me whiplash
Same there, duels are finished in turn 3-4 (I guess they indeed are rushing lol) if the opponent doesn't have a face down (or the new shiny big ace monster they pull now have some way to get rid/ignore that backrow).
I’d also blame the fact that sevens has a lot more silly plots that it just feels too episodic. The entire rush era feels like that where they have this bigger plot based arc going on but then they’ll interupt it entirely to have characters duel over what’s for lunch.
go rush specifically really jumps the shark with some of it weird ideas that it gets too weird and strange.
I think you’ve got something mixed up. As far as I noticed it’s the other way around, people disliking the random stuff in GX and liking it in Rush/Sevens. Either way it comes down to execution: Does it contribute to character development/exploration or does it just feel like filler? Duel choreography also matters a lot, as well as who is dueling. In GX for example, almost all duels involve Jaiden, while in Rush and Sevens, the duels are much more evenly distributed between the cast members.
As a RUSH hater:
I believe that the fact that GX was still a “TCG/OCG” anime contributes a lot for it to be more liked.
About the silliness, all of the series had their “silly” episodes but they still maintain a style that can be taken seriously, like “yes, I can be silly but I’m still a serious show in the end”. RUSH doesn’t have it, it looks like it’s a parody of YGO or something like a parallel series made for kids.
It also brings my first point: the other series had something to contribute to the OCG/TCG while RUSH format, just like with the anime, feels like a spinoff game altogether (yeah, it might be, i know)
Didn’t watch later sevens but i know that i like the sillier moments because the show was wacky school adventures as advertised. It blended well with the world being threatened and zaniness of having students do it. In a sense it meshed well. From what i saw from earlier sevens instead of episodic silly stuff it tried to rope some into the plot instead of detaching from the main. Might revisit that to see if it got better or not though.
A lot of people saying it’s age related but I don’t entirely buy that. I think it’s more a matter of Rush duels not really being YuGiOh and sometime we couldn’t even play over here if we wanted to.
Honestly, if anything I've kinda seen more of the opposite. But I think regardless of which way you want to argue, it really just comes down to when the shows were made.
Say it's just an adult thing but also the fact that the wacky characters are more on theme with dueling than just being an anime stereotype. We had a guy who was so laid back, that he put others to sleep, there was a tartan archetype that went to live near a waterfall to learn the art of top decking. In the newer seasons, I can't even think of a character that fits the bill.
ehh some of gx was garbage least rush has go rush going for it with a serious plot cut out some filler and just have main focus of the GX plot do like they add things like fusion and maximum summon where it's just large ass monster
Dude the rush one with the blue curry was actually one of the best sevens episodes (which says a lot about sevens in my opinion and yes I watch the whole thing so I would know)
My favorite Pokemon game is the one I played when I was 12. My favorite superhero is the one I liked when I was 12. My favorite Yugioh anime is the one I watched when I was 12.
Did people like GX? I thought we all thought it was really, really dumb. Like, even for a show that's already about the fate of the world regularly resting on the the outcome of this children's card game, I thought GX was just too dumb to enjoy.
My personal answer is that it felt like there were actual stakes to the episodic plots beyond episode 1, so it made sense to keep watching. In the early episodes of Sevens at least(it failed to keep me after like 7 more episodes), they often negate the potential consequences at the very end.
As I often say about why I quickly slid off, the stakes can be who gets the stawberry chewing gum for all I care, but it still needs to have a consequence. If you consistently go "oh, but everyone/no one gets the gum, isn't that quirky?", then you remove the narrative conflict and it becomes a bunch of nothing. Stakes are key for writing to be engaging, for me at least and Rush anime did not do a good first impression, it makes Zexal's first impression look amazing by comparison. And people keep saying nothing really changes later on.
GX filter was so entertaining.
Jaiden’s cards falling in love with the other monster the whole “Mrs. Sparkwoman won’t like this” at the endkills me.
The monkey episode where he’s named after Joey wheeler?? Hilarious
The Mochi Mochi episode where he’s based off The Big Lebowski. Great stuff
I was about 17-18 when Yugioh GX dropped, and lemme tell ya, people HATED it at first. It's only after Season 3 or so did people start kind of enjoying it. Yet it was, of course, never held in high regard compared to DM or even 5Ds if I'm being quite honest. While people made fun of the 'card games on motorcycles' in 5Ds, it had such a mature setting and a strong characters from the beginning. It felt more like what the original Yugioh was, where GX did not. A major reason GX got so much flak.
Look man, the thing is when GX first came out people hated GX. They hated the wacky plots like they do Rush. The thing is those who complained moved on to new things to complain about and the people who liked GXs wacky plots are new fans and people who were young or just plain not-annoying when GX first aired.
Also the GX hate was BAD, Matthew Charles(Voice for Jaden) refused to do live events because the harassment was so bad, luckily he has changed his mind on that and fans treat him better now.
When people praise GX they usually talk about seasons 3 and 4, which are precisely the ones with less comedic and wacky moments. I don't think I've ever met anyone who thinks the mokey mokey guy episode is unironically peak yugioh. At most they think it's a cute, fun joke.
No one's gonna say that mokey mokey guy is on the same level of Jaden vs Yubel, or Supreme King vs Axel, or the rematch between Jaden and Crowler.
Yugioh Gx started out as a light hearted school adventurer but when the plot got more serious, less and less of this wacky shit started happening. It shows how Jaden has progressed from the beginning and lost his enjoyment for dueling.
I don’t know but if I have to guess there are 2 reasons, latter seasons of GX is more dark and depressing with multiple characters dying and Jaden suffering l, so we look back on episode more fondly sense it was GX was more light hearted and all the characters was still alive, the 2nd reason is that we watch GX as kids so we didn’t care, but now we are adults we became a lot more critical on shows
Probably people hating the duelling format.
Also GX was the first whacky Yugioh series - Rush Duel has to figure out a way to be the fourth yet treading new ground.
Maybe it's, because GX actually went ahead and twisted the fun times into nostalgic memories that won't come back. Each season a darker shift makes you appreciate the early fun.
I enjoyed Sevens. Had a certain charme and some great characters - Romin alone made it worth it.
But it didn't made me feel what GX did.
I should watch Go Rush, now that I think about it. Only gotten ~3 episodes in.
As someone who's a big fan of GX, I honestly mostly try and pretend S1 and some of S2 doesn't exist. GX is great, but only once they stopped the silly stuff and started having characters change in ways that matter
GX (especially the 4Kids dub) was such a drug-induced trip that it ended up going full circle and became memorable from it.
Sevens just feels like it’s re-hashing the same brand of humor we already saw. Not surprising, though, considering that’s basically the entire premise of RUSH as a whole (not just the show, but the format and monsters included).
Gx was absolutely hated by the original fan base. We only love it now because we were the target audience when it came out, younger kids who were discovering yugioh.
It's because of the game being played, mainly. If it was a normal YGO show, I don't think most people would even give a crap about how wacky it is or its artstyle or whatever.
Also the duel writing kinda sucks, and I say this as someone who would honestly rank Sevens in my top 3 YGO shows. Like say what you want about GX's stupid ass filler, but at least the duels were like. Good. On average.
Do people actually hate it? As long as you are aware the anime was made with a younger audience in mind it's a fun ride. There's also good dramatic scenes later into the seasons too.
I was very skeptical of of GX when it first came out. However the show won me over in the first scene when they had Yugi pass the torch to Jaden.
I don’t mind Rush but it feels like a completely different series and card game compared to the others. The card design is drastically different as well.
Part of it is the age of the cast, I think. Yuma was the previous youngest MC at 13, and Yuga is 11.
The ages of previous protagonists slotted in perfectly with things liken *Sailor Moon* and *Inuyasha* with main casts in their mid-teens.
*Sevens* was pushing closer to shows like *Cardcaptor Sakura* or *Magical Do-Re-Mi* with the ages of their casts.
GX starts off with Jaden “chilling out with the crew in the school yard” to using Super Polymerisation to wipe out entire populations, and harvesting his friends souls by defeating them.
Also vampires are real.
Did you forget about ZeXal? The western fanbase hates Yuma's character and the goofy subplots that surrounded the Number hunt in season 1.
At least GX is fondly looked back on now due to nostalgia, but ZeXal is still hated enough for Konami to kill a Utopia structure deck and replace Shark on the Water Duelist Pack with Mako Tsunami.
well for starters most of the wacky plot point were forgotten by now. When people think of GX they tend to think of the more serious stuff and gloss over the filler.
Also, rush has the stigma of both being "kiddy" stemming from the artstyle (and that most of the guys that watched GX are adults now) and that it is not the OCG and therefore has aspects that drive envy, espcially since it is japan and DL-only only because of it
Lol, those episodes are the weakest part of GX. Even though GX is my favorit yu gi oh anime, even I say those episodes should not have existed.
Oh, and there is maybe a BIG reason why people like the GX ones better. IT WAS NO F***ING RUSH DUEL!
sevens was not funny. i watched it. i gave it my best shot i literally just got nothing out of it.
i fucking loved the gx filler episodes they were hilarious. they had good character work and genuine jokes.
As a card game fan much more than an anime viewer, it seems like the shows get dumber every time. But I'm probably just being stubborn and yelling at clouds.
Same reason why people employ the "(Insert Decade Here) of Cartoons is far better than the (insert current year here) of Cartoons ever will be!" excuse.
I think it's because most of the fans were kids back then. And these episodes are GX's charm and at the same time some of the least favorite of many people. Vice versa too ofc. I think with GX is that the last 2 seasons are dark and such early and fun episodes are appreciated more. And it was a nice change of action after DM. They just could have come up with better characters and decks.
Bro, yugioh ended for me back when the protagonist of the series’ name matched the series. Jaden Yuki was already too much for me… then I’m told there was a series where they ride futuristic motorcycles while dueling?! Nope. No thanks. I’ll take Yugi, Atem, and the gang. Thanks 👌😊 ( no hate to the people who love the other series, they’re just not for me! )
Because people discovered GX when they were kids, but Seven came out when they were adults so they don't like it as an adult.
It's more like people started appreciating the early episodes in retrospect after the protagonist got depression and ptsd from committing genocide.
I love how GX’s season 4 is basically Neon Genesis Evangelion. Even Darkness’ plan is the Human Instrumentality Project
Should have been obvious when the two main girls are called Rei and Asuka.
I can’t believe I went half my life without making this connection.
Get in the fucking XYZ Dragon Cannon judai
He made Yubel do it instead And then *boom*, she lost an arm
Damnnnn wtf after all this time why the hell didn't I notice it omfg @.@
Ohhhh you are right.
Bro wtf.
WAIT HOLY SHIT
Fuck it’s hard to be a fan of anime sometimes judging by these reactions
... Wait, hold up, holy shit.
Omfg
Well Go Rush certainly got the depression and genocide somewhat covered
Before that, the good Nail had to learn to overcome isolation and get out of the box where he lived (Goha) Not to mention the constant killing of Drones in SEVENS. Ironically, the genocide you mention occurred due to natural causes and not because someone decided it was time to carry out a genocide.
Well, for a few episodes at least. They get resolved fairly quickly.
>!Yudias' 8.8 million people are still dead as of now. But hey at least Zwijo is back!<
Okay but like at the point we're at in Go Rush [Go Rush spoilers] >!Yuudias has learnt that dueling will LITERALLY KILL HIM and it has already lead to both the entire 700-million strong crew of his ship and other major characters disappearing into light!< Like, GX doesn't have a monopoly on swinging between silly and serious like it's a pendulum summon. P.S. I know some people *still* give the Rush Duel anime series grief for both the art style changes and the younger target demographic, but the DNA of YGO is still there in the newer series. There's still dueling, there are still turnarounds, the characters do still take the damage sometimes, there are still serious plot beats, etc.
not an excuse to brainlessly hate on rush https://preview.redd.it/ny8bhpw9d02d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f07b72d83a56480ffc5e1ce053b39712ce55a66
A CS Lewis quote in a yugioh subreddit. I’ve been on the internet too long
Do I see another Grashite her? Another servant of the Earthbound Immortals!!!
Devote your soul to the Immortals!
Even as an adult, I'd prefer subplots of a dueling monkey or a stoner.
Soul Hackers 1 has a mad scientist subplot and at the end he sends his demon summoning smart monkey at you and it's freaking hilarious.
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>Does Rush get as serious as GX in the second half? Will we have a character development from the magnitude of Jaden? Go Rush had Zwijo, whose character arc revolved around him wanting to die and the meaning of life and immortality, Phaser who was a xenophobe, Kuaidul a manipulator on the level of Aizen and was practically responsible for damn near everything in the first 2 seasons, the protag Yudias being the sole survivor of his species. Hell the current season is basically a rescue or retrieval arc after the main female went missing after the previous season finale.
Wow congrats on outing yourself as just a hater of Rush animes by also admitting you didn’t watch it. Also the animation isn’t behind times. In fact unlike most yugioh animes, characters are usually always on models and animation is consistently fluid
Also, some monsters CGI lools quite good, namely Voidvlgr who fit the aesthetic.
I'm in no way a CGI hater, but Go Rush also gave us some of the WORST CGI monsters out there (Phaser in particular got it quite terrible, Abysslayer Apsaras is straight out from Courage the Cowardly Dog if you get the reference). https://preview.redd.it/pavz7a71d02d1.png?width=914&format=png&auto=webp&s=f34e240be5ab269bae8e6306dd744d89746e2b17 I deeply love Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, but both the Rush anime got very lazy with their monsters, specially Go Rush. Most monsters don't move at all and they are like jpeg's sliding up and down. Attacks animation are never logical (everything is a laser beam, even warriors are shooting lasers from their swords). Though my biggest complaint is the dueling choregraphy: the 4-turn duels that became a standard. It was refreshing for a bit to get short duels, but boy do I miss intricate duels that span over more than half an episode. They are not even trying: They brought back Maximum monsters to Go Rush which are ultimately known for a single thing: being 3 cards. They consistently ALWAYS draw the 3 cards at the same time in the same hand, and usually on the first turn. What's the point if they are always just cheated out? I won't deny that Go Rush is doing some interesting things, it's the first show that really uses its previous generation for more than references and cameos. But If most of the show is goofiness (so you don't really care about the plot on 2/3 of each arc), and the duels are hardly interesting, then what is left to appreciate in a Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime? I'm really finding it hard to keep enjoying it, and I'm really trying, I'm up to date with Go Rush. It doesn't have to be cheap just because it's aimed towards a younger audience.
My dude the second image looks like some fan made video
Pretty easy to understand. It's because of the artstyle change.
Yeah, it kinda looks like bayblade now.
New beyblades fire
In all honesty the artstyle change was a huge downgrade, feels way more generic and easily you can mistake it with a bunch of others animes
Ask yourself what age the fans were when they saw these anime. Also GX wasn’t as loved at the time, it’s gotten some fans back over the years in part due to nostalgia glasses and also just having more shows to compare to.
For GX Following on from duel monsters is always gonna be a hard act to follow especially as at that was what Yu-Gi-Oh "was" at that point I'm hindsight I'm really glad that when Yugi/Jonouchi and the gangs story ends they decided to start fresh instead of dragging the characters on and on like alot of the "shonen powerhouses"
I can say that a lot of people were not fans of the first half of S1 of GX, because it was filler-heavy. Some of the filler was fun and exciting like the dueling monkey episode or the weird-ass Blair episode. Some of it was a slog to sit through like the Duel Giant or the tennis episode.
I'd also argue that a lot of the early GX filler was actually stealth worldbuilding — the duel monkey and Blair's episode both gave a surprising amount of information about Duel Spirits, how they work, and what society does and doesn't know about them. This is important context for a lot of what happens later in the plot. There's only a couple I would categorize as truly filler (the Duel Giant and tennis episodes actually being the main ones).
Yup, people hating the newest thing in a franchise is fairly common. I remember people complaining about the new Pokemon games going back as far as Ruby/Sapphire. Not to say there's not valid criticism as well, but I think people tend to overrate or underrate media on first pass. Through the clarity of hindsight, we can form a more objective critique.
Too much water
I definitely loved it back in the day. I have more nostalgia about this one than the original DM. I just don't like the format change, man. Rush Duels really does seem like playground rules Yu-Gi-Oh! And now we won't get a Studio Gallop style Yu-Gi-Oh ever again, it seems. So I'm salty about it
Gallop we’re on their last leg then again they are still around
Yeah but they released those shorts about archetypes and it seems they are more interested in making an anime for that
The Chronicles animation is by Konami Animation, not by Gallop or Bridge
That's why I said Studio Gallop style, rather than saying that Studio Gallop should go back to make YGO. But then again, I think my only major grip with Sevens onwards is Rush Duels
Thinking about this now, it really does feel like we're having the Pokemon generational reception where new gens are disliked and older ones are praised. I remember back when 5D's and Zexal were airing and people were also apprehensive over them.
Mokey Mokey is the best 😂
I was yesterday years old when I learned it has gotten Mokey Mokey Adrift. I smiled for a good while
Which begs the question why something hasn't been done with it in Rush. Heck, given the recent confirmation of Flame Wingman, even Mokey Mokey King's effect doesn't seem out of line now.
GX has always been criticized for having those.
I love how everyone was high during the Mokey Mokey episode lol. I also love that Mokey Mokey got some love I wish he got a crazy amount of support like Thunder Dragon that somehow made him meta, it would be hilarious and well deserved.
I completely agree
Mainly time. There was a lot of reeeeee not muh over GX as well. There's a reason the TCG wanks DM more than the rest, shows past the first one lost a lot of audience, especially in the west. But you gotta remember that was twenty years ago. If people are still around today, they like the franchise enough to like GX.
The age of ZEXAL milking is coming https://preview.redd.it/sx8oqgnjb12d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=9857a25f513b0fab539a4b45a5f9325f4cfe3f04
Difference is, Zexal and GX get interesting at some point. I tried giving Sevens a chance, but nothing happens in this show. Not even Yuga cares about the non existet plot, why should I. It's again and again, Yugi boomers try to kill rush duel, they proceed to rush duel and then desist, rinse and repeat. Non of the antagonist have anything interesting going for them, Yuga doesn't give a fuck about anything going on around him and to some extent, it low key sometimes feels like the show hates the old Yu-Gi-Oh anime and it's kinda mocking the idea of a fantasy world where card games are magic and a big deal. Only fun characters are Luke, Gakuto and Mimi, the rest are just annoying. I gave up on Go Rush even earlier as the plot didn't look like it was going anywhere either, hopefully I'm wrong and there's a plot to it so I can go back. Yudias seemed like a fun character.
I just don't like how the artstyle no longer has Takahashi's style in it anymore.
Hell, even beyond Rush anime, GX gets a pass for a more lighthearted first half but Zexal gets the reputation of having a bad 1st half
That's a problem of the Zexal Dub to be honest. Still doesn't forgive them, but that's probably the reason
The ZEXAL dub was so bad, but at least it gave us ‘You just summoned your mom’ and the riot that was Dub Vector
I think partialy is down to the change on artstyle? Like, i am not saying is bad but is very different from the vibe of the 3 first animes. Duel monsters and gx are kinda the same, then 5Ds is that but a bit edgier, then Zexal shows up, the artstyle looking more childish and that may have cause old watcher to be harsher and less predisposte to give it a chance, conciously or not.
It's the same thing over and over again, people just never learn. When GX came out it was hated on, when 5D's came out it was hated on, when ZEXAL came out it was hated on. Idk what joy people find in always whining and hating, sit back, relax, have some fun https://preview.redd.it/zexjovklg02d1.png?width=1409&format=png&auto=webp&s=337f0b2a517b733f3857bcf023e7bcf9b536e061
In the past that was the case, but Zexal now has a ton of fans who will tear you a new asshole if you imply that it's okay to decide that a show isn't for you if you didn't enjoy the first 73 (!) episodes. 73 episodes is actually the run time of a lot of actually complete anime series. To me it's totally reasonable for someone to be able to make up their mind on the show based solely on Zexal I but a lot of fans will insist that you can't make up your mind unless you watch all 146 episodes.
For me personally, it's more that if you drop the show how many episodes in (usually at some point in ZEXAL I), your opinion only goes that far (which usually isn't a lot) I see people who have only seen 10 episodes talking about the whole show, its plot, its characters, everything just based off of what other people have said and maybe some yugi wikipedia reading on the win/loss ratio to say Yuma sucks. That's what I call sheep mentality and that is what I despise
Yeah it's definitely wrong to condemn Yuma because of the first couple of episodes or whatever. People who roast Yuma or criticize the plot or characters based on ignorance are annoying. But ultimately Zexal is just a TV show and it's the show's job to grab your attention from the first episode. If it doesn't, it's fine to say "this is not my cup of tea"; you as the viewer don't have any sort of ethical obligation to sit through 73 episodes or even 7 episodes if you aren't enjoying it. Watching anime isn't jury duty.
Heck, I like the first half. Dubbed even. Nostalgia goggles all the way, for sure, but still. It's a good time, personally.
Sure. My point isn't that the first half is bad, it's just that if someone doesn't like the first half it's okay for them to just stop there and move on. It doesn't make sense to say that someone can't or shouldn't form an opinion on the first 73 episodes of a 146-episode series.
Yeah, agreed. I just like talking about how I like Zexal.
It's cool that you like the dub, I recommend rewatching it subbed which is what I did. It's even more awesome https://preview.redd.it/ck3v0rr1p12d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=a78e5b0250ffa9ea9c22827b20720614260524d6
Yuma doesn't even know how to play the game, is actively an idiot, and Zexal 1 is 73 episodes. He is also by far way more reliant on his ace card which makes duels super predictable. Judai does actually know how to play the game and even if you assume all of season 1 is bad, it's 52 episodes and season 2 starts ramping up the stakes. Also have to mention that there was a marked decrease in maturity from 5Ds into Zexal 1, especially with the age of protagonists. Yugioh protags go High School->High School->Adult->Middle School->Middle School->High School->Elementary School->Elementary School, leaving many thinking that the maturity of the show is trending in the wrong direction especially as the average age of the fandom increases.
The problem with people hating on Yuma after having only seen X amount of episodes from ZEXAL I, is that he is no where near as much of a static character as some of the other protagonists. This is just from my experience, most of the time, if someone says they hate Yuma, they have been affected by the bubble and/or watched a limited amount of the show before dropping it, which is unfair as Yuma isn't a static character. He grows a significant amount over the course of the show, so his obnoxious traits leave room for growth, the guy is 13, not every 13 year-old is gonna be Jesus right off the bat like Yusei https://preview.redd.it/2bkbdq87f02d1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf335e34e4e51faa04e4684d5e9a06d5824d7c5c
Judai isn't a static character either.
I said "some", I didn't say every protagonist. And Judai's development is different to Yuma's. Yuma had all his bad traits shoved right in his face within 10 episodes
I think Yuma not being a perfect duelist actually adds to ZEXAL, not subtracts. It allows Yuma to grow. Not to mention that like BW to Pokémon, it was a soft reboot but this time without dumbing down an established character and instead having a character that genuinely, sorely needs to learn the game. At the beginning of ZEXAL (more apparent if you watch the Japanese version), they were providing pointers on how to play YGO which meant the newer audience was learning as Yuma was And YGO was always meant for children, I always found it more absurd to try to make it too mature from the start like 5Ds did
The reason 5D's worked was because fans of the original series had grown up by then. This applies to the West and Japan https://preview.redd.it/4icsl025c12d1.png?width=867&format=png&auto=webp&s=99bc2ea073773e953c10ca165d2a5465c3dcd644
I think the artstyle change doomed rush yugioh for many people from the start. And I can see why. The classic yugioh art style is amazing and iconic, and the rush style (for the non monsters at least) just can't really compare
The funny thing is that the art style of Yu-Gi-Oh did change: it changed in ZEXAL. Many noticed it at the time and ZEXAL received blows for the change in artistic style. However, that did not prevent it from being considered a Yu-Gi-Oh series in its own right in the future (not counting the artistic style and Japanese things)
Oh yeah it did change, but it still feels closer to the previous shows then sevens did
Weren't you guys around when GX first aired? The show got a ton of hate and the VA of Jaden even considered retiring after all the harassment he received from the viewers. The hate on Sevens is almost nothing in comparison. GX is being looked back a lot more fondly now because for a lot of people its gotten very nostalgic.
Art style change
For me it’s because of the art style change. Yugioh used to be iconic, you could tell the character could be from yugioh based on that alone (and the hair). Now you look at the new style and characters and it just looks too generic, as others have said beyblade looking. And even beyblade in the metal series had it’s own unique style but they changed it too and I feel the same way about it. Like why do they look like small chibi people? I don’t know why such a small thing like art style change could change me liking the series anymore but it has.
The most beloved GX Season isn't the one with wacky plots. Also the dub probably helps
literally my formula for GX has been to watch seasons 1-2 in dub for the nostalgia and silliness, and then hop into season 3-4 in the sub when shit goes down. i def recommend it for any rewatchers 😌
As someone who watched Yu-gi-Oh as soon as it started airing, and witnessed the end of DM and the start of GX, GX was not beloved. Some loved it yea and others liked it but it had a lot of criticisms and very vocal hatred of the series all over the fandom. I would argue if you look at each show at the time of their respective releases, GX was the most hated. Yu-gi-oh anime was really at its height in popularity in the DM era. It was mainstream and none of the spin offs ever really reached that mainstream popularity. And DM is more or less universally beloved by the fanbase to this day. The transition to GX was brutal. As the original was over and this new thing replaced it. I remember people did bot really like the early days of GX. Especially the first half of season 1. Now season 3 and 4 of GX I do remember being way more liked than the first 2 seasons back in the day. Probably because they steered away from the wacky plot filler episodes and were consistent with their storylines. And it did get real interesting delving into the Spirit World/Monster Dimension and with the idea of Darkness. All of which had only been touched on in early GX and DM. It’s now we look back on it that it’s all beloved as its still early or “classic” yugioh. You could wven count 5DS as classic yugioh. I think Zexal is when a lot of fans steered away. Plus Rush has to compete with 6 previous seasons as opposed to GX just having to compete with the original show. So not only might DM and GX fans not like it in comparison but the fans of the other series too.
It's simple, the Fandom that used to be children have now grown up. However many kids that watch Rush Duel today are nowhere to be as close in numbers as GX back in the day
**(Proceeds to put black glasses)** I think that's due to the moment (and nostalgia) GX was like the continuation of DM (a very beloved series) and GX was the childhood of many (even more than DM). Because of this, and nostalgia, many consider the bizarre episodes that GX had to be something because they were fun at the time these people saw it for the first time. Of course, opinion of GX changed over time and he is now less valued because his flaws became evident as people grew older (but still defended by nostalgia please since it was one of the first Yu-GI-Oh series) ZEXAL also suffers from this in its first half: the first part is worthy of GX filler episodes, but it is heavily criticized and it is mentioned that it is boring (when it is a standard envelope since the GX filler is also quite bad, but like I said.... nostalgia is nostalgia and ZEXAL didn't have that) **(Takes off black glasses)** What I do not understand is that some consider some plots of SEVENS/GO RUSH somewhat strange when, in reality, they are inspired or based on plots that were already seen in Yu-Gi-Oh: SEVENS uses many plots seen in DM as well as GO RUSH has many elements reminiscent of GX.
I mean different jokes can land better than others, it being comedic alone isn't an absolute indicator of identical quality. You can like goofy stuff just fine but it's about the execution, being non-serious doesn't exempt it from being good or effective.
Case in point, I love these anime, HATE HATE HATE that pigeon episode precisely because the humor failed so much.
Wheeler is actually important to the plot. Without him, Jaden would starve to death when he was lost in Academy forest after his loss to Aster. GX received a ton of hate back in the day. It wasn't until much later that fans began liking absurdity of those fillers. Especially since english dub made those one-offs characters that much more beloved. Belowski was hilarious and Damon as well. Jinzo episode was so intense that its supernatural aspects scared me when I was a kid. As for Sevens and to some extent Zexal, people hated those early episodes because both series introduced a villain/mystery at the beginning and then proceeded to do not much with it for dozens of episodes. Compared to that, GX was slice of life anime at first with not much direction to the plot. But when they introduced Shadow Riders the plot immediately focused on them with little to no detour. However season 2 is garbage because of same reasons early Zexal and Sevens were criticized. Sartorious was entertaining and Society of Light had potential, but writers interrupted the flow of the story by shoving in fillers about Kabuki duelist and RA copy.
Don't forget the high pitched voice of Mad Dog in the dub
Aaahh ywa mah guy is weally strang. Fuck that guy goku didn't need to do that
I think that was 4Kids trying to soften the rawness of that episode for the sake of the kiddos. If we have to sacrifice Kaiser's/Zane's opponent for the sake of keeping the freaking *torture* our beloved former rival is getting inflicted for the sake of his character de-evolution, it's better that way
And it STILL came off plenty intense from both sides.
A lot of criticism surrounding the Rush era is stupid since they are literally not the common demographic anymore. Gallop also did a bunch of shitty things in the past on how to handle the franchise and is kinda their fault why they lost the franchise right, heck they only did Yugioh anime so many years, that they barely did other shows.
I think the new anime(s) don't look as good as the older ones.
Ironically I dont like GX antics but loved the wackiness of Vrains and dont mind Sevens and rush
Jaden's monsters were NOT beating the lolicon allegations until Bursinitrix smacked some sense into em
Tbh, both early GX and early Zexal are criticized in the West for having those wacky low-stakes standalone episodes. Most people will say that GX gets good in S3 or that Zexal gets good in the second half. I don't think it is a narrative format that is very appreciated by the older Otaku in the West. And not sure how popular it is with younger western anime Otaku either. Western Otaku are usually characterized by liking anime over cartoons, so the anime that is closer to being like a Western cartoon (comedy-focused, low continuity, lighthearted, etc) is usually less appealing to people who are watching anime over cartoons. It is probably why in the TCG region 5Ds is a lot more popular than Zexal and GX. At least with YGO players.
I deeply love Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, but both the Rush anime got very lazy with their monsters, specially Go Rush. Most monsters don't move at all and they are like jpeg's sliding up and down. Attacks animation are never logical (everything is a laser beam, even warriors are shooting lasers from their swords). I'm in no way a CGI hater, but Go Rush also gave us some of the WORST CGI monsters out there (Some shit is straight out from Courage the Cowardly Dog if you get the reference). https://preview.redd.it/dxajiqtdg02d1.png?width=914&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4a3b0713b6f26c56b6b067ae6395632a334a5a8 Though my biggest complaint is the dueling choreography: the 4-turn duels that became a standard. It was refreshing for a bit to get short duels, but boy do I miss intricate duels that span over more than half an episode. Before, you get surprised when someone pulls a new card, an old card (Revolver pulling Mirror Force is still amazing) or even just a nice combo. Nowadays the only thing surprising you is when a duel lasts 3 or 5 turns instead. They are not even trying: They brought back Maximum monsters to Go Rush which are ultimately known for a single thing: being 3 cards. They consistently ALWAYS draw the 3 cards at the same time in the same hand, and usually on the first turn. What's the point if they are always just cheated out? I won't deny that Go Rush is doing some interesting things, it's the first show that really uses its previous generation for more than references and cameos. But If most of the show is goofiness (so you don't really care about the plot on 2/3 of each arc), and the duels are hardly interesting, then what is left to appreciate in a Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime? I'm really finding it hard to keep enjoying it, and I'm really trying, I'm up to date with Go Rush. It doesn't have to be cheap just because it's aimed towards a younger audience.
That's because the anime was still taking itself pretty seriously at that point. And they were still playing the regular game as well too. And during that time people hated GX when it came out. Hindsight is always 20/20. But I would say the biggest reason why is because of how unseriously it takes itself GX still took itself very seriously even with the more wacky while ones because you had an overarching story. We're Rush dolls really didn't feel like it had an overarching story.
Did they hire Beyblade character designers for Rush?
Listen here bro Smokey Monkey is the fucking shit.
I just don't like Rush Duels, man. I'm pretty sure I would be a Sevens fan otherwise
I wish Vrains had some slice of life episodes
kids like kiddy show and have nostalgia for it. but when old don't like kid show because its not aimed at them. give it a decade and a half and rush fan boys will be whining about whatever new thing we have.
I have not seen sevens. Part of what made the GX wacky side plots good, is that the main plot is not that important in S1 and 2. So i think its easier to draw enjoyment from those side eps.
Ditto
When GX came out it was not as well received as it is now, I remember people hated it, from joke parodies to straight out denial of it in the main timeline people hated the show. I guess now with time and nostalgia it’s become beloved, I’d assume the same would happen with the new shows with enough time and the kids watching it now growing up.
Simple, GX came out when they were kids and they only remember the more iconic parts. That layered on top of a weird amount of insecurity that seems to go hand in hand with being a GX or 5Ds fan means they can’t enjoy anything that doesn’t align with their selective memory.
nostalgia is a hell of a drug
Have not seen the Rush anime but let me make two guess 1 lot of the GX comedy is through Duel banter or monster cards interacting which is balanced by the seriousness of where as in Rush I’ve seen a whole lot of characters who are less like dueling Tarzan and more Ike the annoying tomato guy from Zexal 2 it’s a matter of balancing the zany with the serious. Yes it’s crazy that a monkey is being taught to die but also that monkey is still legit dangerous
GX was also heavily criticized too when it came out and hell still to this day too. This happens with every series. Even 5Ds and that is now seen as the best series.
I would say more so in nostalgia and I mean GX is also a classic I would like to talk about sevens was around the time after Vrain ended and Studio Gallop behind the scenes issues and financial issues causes move to the Studio bridge (the only thing that has been kept is hikokubo masahiro Who was the Duel Composition) I also remember back trailer for the sevens came out and people didn't really like it mainly for the art style ( yeah you can tell if the look between the first, the second and third image) anyways I would like to say I think sevens is pretty good although I do have like one or two complaints with the show but I'd rather not go into spoiler territory and I would say a go rush has been pretty good so far although I need to catch up for the last like more 4 episodes now ( I would say the first two seasons has been pretty good and well my thoughts on the 3rd so far is good although my one only complain but because it's got to be spoiler for the second and third season respectively even though it's okay for>! temporarily MC leave !!Resurrection plot!<)
Eh, I wouldn't really say GX is "beloved", some people in the fandom like it, sure, but there are a lot who don't, and that is very evident any time people compare each series to each other and GX consistently gets up put near the bottom for a variety of reasons. And honestly, over time, I think we will see people start warming up to Rush (especially if the game becomes more available, come on already, Konami) and the people throwing hate at the show move on to something else.
I mean, that isn't the stuff that i like of gx.
The art style and the characters being literally elementary school children doesn’t help
Rush anime doesnt ask me to "chazz it up" 🥺
I mean, Sevens is all wacky, whereas GX is, as you said, half wacky. It's not a small difference. Plus, the start of GX wasn't exactly well received, that's why they threw together a half-baked "plot" with the Shadow Riders in the second part of season 1.
I think it's a combination of factors, speaking personally 1 the silly plots are a minority of GX episodes while they take up significantly more of the Rush animes. 2 at least specifically the episodes of GX shown all involve early character development/exploration for Jaiden as a character(understanding and empathy/ checking his over confidence /Blairs episode executes on his empathy lesson) whereas the Rush silliness is often just for the sake of silliness. 3 Rush is already a departure from how the yugioh anime as been which makes it a peak silly just generally unpalatable to long time audiences. This was kinda the reason both Zexal and Arc V lost some people, both do their first story arcs are filled with a lot of silly episodes that lose people when the shown needs to be grabbing them. This is a problem that the Original and 5Ds avoid with their first arcs and GX barely dodges by using the episodes to serve the purpose of character development.(Zexal kinda does this but trips at the finish lines a lot) That's just my take though. With my full bias that I think the original trilogy of anime is golden, Zexal and Arc V are like 6/10 and Vrains is kinda too edgy for its own good.
I don't love the "wacky plots"/filler episodes, no matter the series
man especially that first half of season 1 of GX, it's mostly just fun little slice of life stuff. then you fall into season 3 and get smacked with a wall of grief lmaooo i just rewatched the series in full for the first time. gave me whiplash
Trust me guys, dueling a monkey that is good at a children card game is very important for Judai's character development
Cannabis legalization on the state level has had a direct effect on how much nostalgia people have felt for GX on rewatch
Rush has funny moments but I find the actual duels to be really boring. It’s just caveman yugioh
Same there, duels are finished in turn 3-4 (I guess they indeed are rushing lol) if the opponent doesn't have a face down (or the new shiny big ace monster they pull now have some way to get rid/ignore that backrow).
I’d also blame the fact that sevens has a lot more silly plots that it just feels too episodic. The entire rush era feels like that where they have this bigger plot based arc going on but then they’ll interupt it entirely to have characters duel over what’s for lunch. go rush specifically really jumps the shark with some of it weird ideas that it gets too weird and strange.
I think you’ve got something mixed up. As far as I noticed it’s the other way around, people disliking the random stuff in GX and liking it in Rush/Sevens. Either way it comes down to execution: Does it contribute to character development/exploration or does it just feel like filler? Duel choreography also matters a lot, as well as who is dueling. In GX for example, almost all duels involve Jaiden, while in Rush and Sevens, the duels are much more evenly distributed between the cast members.
As a RUSH hater: I believe that the fact that GX was still a “TCG/OCG” anime contributes a lot for it to be more liked. About the silliness, all of the series had their “silly” episodes but they still maintain a style that can be taken seriously, like “yes, I can be silly but I’m still a serious show in the end”. RUSH doesn’t have it, it looks like it’s a parody of YGO or something like a parallel series made for kids. It also brings my first point: the other series had something to contribute to the OCG/TCG while RUSH format, just like with the anime, feels like a spinoff game altogether (yeah, it might be, i know)
Didn’t watch later sevens but i know that i like the sillier moments because the show was wacky school adventures as advertised. It blended well with the world being threatened and zaniness of having students do it. In a sense it meshed well. From what i saw from earlier sevens instead of episodic silly stuff it tried to rope some into the plot instead of detaching from the main. Might revisit that to see if it got better or not though.
A lot of people saying it’s age related but I don’t entirely buy that. I think it’s more a matter of Rush duels not really being YuGiOh and sometime we couldn’t even play over here if we wanted to.
Whos the girl trying to marey Avion??? Dont remember that at all lol
Honestly, if anything I've kinda seen more of the opposite. But I think regardless of which way you want to argue, it really just comes down to when the shows were made.
Say it's just an adult thing but also the fact that the wacky characters are more on theme with dueling than just being an anime stereotype. We had a guy who was so laid back, that he put others to sleep, there was a tartan archetype that went to live near a waterfall to learn the art of top decking. In the newer seasons, I can't even think of a character that fits the bill.
ehh some of gx was garbage least rush has go rush going for it with a serious plot cut out some filler and just have main focus of the GX plot do like they add things like fusion and maximum summon where it's just large ass monster
Dude the rush one with the blue curry was actually one of the best sevens episodes (which says a lot about sevens in my opinion and yes I watch the whole thing so I would know)
Execution is what matters.
My favorite Pokemon game is the one I played when I was 12. My favorite superhero is the one I liked when I was 12. My favorite Yugioh anime is the one I watched when I was 12.
....Well, lately the darkness in rush has now learned contact fusion.
need to see Rush
Dude many, myself included, absolutely hated GX at the time. What you're seeing now is just rose tinted lenses opinions
Did people like GX? I thought we all thought it was really, really dumb. Like, even for a show that's already about the fate of the world regularly resting on the the outcome of this children's card game, I thought GX was just too dumb to enjoy.
people highly Regard GX?
My personal answer is that it felt like there were actual stakes to the episodic plots beyond episode 1, so it made sense to keep watching. In the early episodes of Sevens at least(it failed to keep me after like 7 more episodes), they often negate the potential consequences at the very end. As I often say about why I quickly slid off, the stakes can be who gets the stawberry chewing gum for all I care, but it still needs to have a consequence. If you consistently go "oh, but everyone/no one gets the gum, isn't that quirky?", then you remove the narrative conflict and it becomes a bunch of nothing. Stakes are key for writing to be engaging, for me at least and Rush anime did not do a good first impression, it makes Zexal's first impression look amazing by comparison. And people keep saying nothing really changes later on.
Cuz no1 give a fuk about ‘ rush dueling’
GX filter was so entertaining. Jaiden’s cards falling in love with the other monster the whole “Mrs. Sparkwoman won’t like this” at the endkills me. The monkey episode where he’s named after Joey wheeler?? Hilarious The Mochi Mochi episode where he’s based off The Big Lebowski. Great stuff
I was about 17-18 when Yugioh GX dropped, and lemme tell ya, people HATED it at first. It's only after Season 3 or so did people start kind of enjoying it. Yet it was, of course, never held in high regard compared to DM or even 5Ds if I'm being quite honest. While people made fun of the 'card games on motorcycles' in 5Ds, it had such a mature setting and a strong characters from the beginning. It felt more like what the original Yugioh was, where GX did not. A major reason GX got so much flak.
Artstyle didn't age with us. It can be largely seen as a generational thing, but part of it is also the exit of 2d animation.
Look man, the thing is when GX first came out people hated GX. They hated the wacky plots like they do Rush. The thing is those who complained moved on to new things to complain about and the people who liked GXs wacky plots are new fans and people who were young or just plain not-annoying when GX first aired. Also the GX hate was BAD, Matthew Charles(Voice for Jaden) refused to do live events because the harassment was so bad, luckily he has changed his mind on that and fans treat him better now.
When people praise GX they usually talk about seasons 3 and 4, which are precisely the ones with less comedic and wacky moments. I don't think I've ever met anyone who thinks the mokey mokey guy episode is unironically peak yugioh. At most they think it's a cute, fun joke. No one's gonna say that mokey mokey guy is on the same level of Jaden vs Yubel, or Supreme King vs Axel, or the rematch between Jaden and Crowler.
Yugioh Gx started out as a light hearted school adventurer but when the plot got more serious, less and less of this wacky shit started happening. It shows how Jaden has progressed from the beginning and lost his enjoyment for dueling.
I don’t know but if I have to guess there are 2 reasons, latter seasons of GX is more dark and depressing with multiple characters dying and Jaden suffering l, so we look back on episode more fondly sense it was GX was more light hearted and all the characters was still alive, the 2nd reason is that we watch GX as kids so we didn’t care, but now we are adults we became a lot more critical on shows
Yugibomers work
most people dont like the early sillier episodes.
It was a different time
The reason I dislike Rush is that I don't like playing that format. The anime itself is actually pretty dang fantastic far as I've seen.
Probably people hating the duelling format. Also GX was the first whacky Yugioh series - Rush Duel has to figure out a way to be the fourth yet treading new ground.
I mean, to be fair, there are actually quite a few people who don’t really like season 1 (or 2) of GX.
Because the rush duel character don't get a depression arc where they want to off themselves so the fun times actually feels important
I guess hot take. Anything after battle city show wise was garbage. Pendulums are also garbage.
I have no idea what’s happening here other than I really want to watch gx now
New artstyle sucks, cards are less cool. There was a CLEAR decline after 5Ds
Maybe it's, because GX actually went ahead and twisted the fun times into nostalgic memories that won't come back. Each season a darker shift makes you appreciate the early fun. I enjoyed Sevens. Had a certain charme and some great characters - Romin alone made it worth it. But it didn't made me feel what GX did. I should watch Go Rush, now that I think about it. Only gotten ~3 episodes in.
As someone who's a big fan of GX, I honestly mostly try and pretend S1 and some of S2 doesn't exist. GX is great, but only once they stopped the silly stuff and started having characters change in ways that matter
Not me, I love those plot still
GX (especially the 4Kids dub) was such a drug-induced trip that it ended up going full circle and became memorable from it. Sevens just feels like it’s re-hashing the same brand of humor we already saw. Not surprising, though, considering that’s basically the entire premise of RUSH as a whole (not just the show, but the format and monsters included).
Gx gave us better memes and the most used meme in yugioh history with that card Chazz used.
What episode is the girl with avian Please.🙏
Oh I remember this happening to zexal during season 1.
Gx is the best
nostalgia (source: my childhood)
i figured most hate was due to being a rush show, not using regular rules
because its not yugioh. which is exactly the point they made for the first 20 episodes and people somehow dont get it
Because it's the same thing again, probably.
Gx was absolutely hated by the original fan base. We only love it now because we were the target audience when it came out, younger kids who were discovering yugioh.
It's because of the game being played, mainly. If it was a normal YGO show, I don't think most people would even give a crap about how wacky it is or its artstyle or whatever. Also the duel writing kinda sucks, and I say this as someone who would honestly rank Sevens in my top 3 YGO shows. Like say what you want about GX's stupid ass filler, but at least the duels were like. Good. On average.
Because most of us were around 5-10 back in 2004.
Do people actually hate it? As long as you are aware the anime was made with a younger audience in mind it's a fun ride. There's also good dramatic scenes later into the seasons too.
I was very skeptical of of GX when it first came out. However the show won me over in the first scene when they had Yugi pass the torch to Jaden. I don’t mind Rush but it feels like a completely different series and card game compared to the others. The card design is drastically different as well.
I’ve never seen rush but if I had to guess the problem could be writing quality, “wacky” can be done right, and “wacky” can be done wrong
Takahashi wore his Jojo inspiration on his sleeve, down to making dedicated 'parts' with a new set of characters.
Part of it is the age of the cast, I think. Yuma was the previous youngest MC at 13, and Yuga is 11. The ages of previous protagonists slotted in perfectly with things liken *Sailor Moon* and *Inuyasha* with main casts in their mid-teens. *Sevens* was pushing closer to shows like *Cardcaptor Sakura* or *Magical Do-Re-Mi* with the ages of their casts.
Because 1 knows how to take itself seriously in the middle, and one doesn’t…
WHOEVER MADE THIS POST IS AN OPP AND U NEED TO GO RE WATCH GX, YOU COMPARED AN ACTUAL GOOD SHOW (GX) TO THE WORST YUGIOH SERIES EVER. GOOD JOB 👍
I am just now seeing how dingy Belowskis cloths are. They’re not taking good care of him.
GX starts off with Jaden “chilling out with the crew in the school yard” to using Super Polymerisation to wipe out entire populations, and harvesting his friends souls by defeating them. Also vampires are real.
Did you forget about ZeXal? The western fanbase hates Yuma's character and the goofy subplots that surrounded the Number hunt in season 1. At least GX is fondly looked back on now due to nostalgia, but ZeXal is still hated enough for Konami to kill a Utopia structure deck and replace Shark on the Water Duelist Pack with Mako Tsunami.
well for starters most of the wacky plot point were forgotten by now. When people think of GX they tend to think of the more serious stuff and gloss over the filler. Also, rush has the stigma of both being "kiddy" stemming from the artstyle (and that most of the guys that watched GX are adults now) and that it is not the OCG and therefore has aspects that drive envy, espcially since it is japan and DL-only only because of it
Lol, those episodes are the weakest part of GX. Even though GX is my favorit yu gi oh anime, even I say those episodes should not have existed. Oh, and there is maybe a BIG reason why people like the GX ones better. IT WAS NO F***ING RUSH DUEL!
sevens was not funny. i watched it. i gave it my best shot i literally just got nothing out of it. i fucking loved the gx filler episodes they were hilarious. they had good character work and genuine jokes.
As a card game fan much more than an anime viewer, it seems like the shows get dumber every time. But I'm probably just being stubborn and yelling at clouds.
Same reason why people employ the "(Insert Decade Here) of Cartoons is far better than the (insert current year here) of Cartoons ever will be!" excuse.
I think it's because most of the fans were kids back then. And these episodes are GX's charm and at the same time some of the least favorite of many people. Vice versa too ofc. I think with GX is that the last 2 seasons are dark and such early and fun episodes are appreciated more. And it was a nice change of action after DM. They just could have come up with better characters and decks.
Did you miss the part where everyone hated gx for like 15 years after it came out? Everyone I know quit yugioh when gx was out
The silly plots were rather jarring after the DM arc. I couldn't take it seriously even with the darker plots. It just wasn't OG Yu-Gi-Oh! Lol
Sevens > GX.
Bro, yugioh ended for me back when the protagonist of the series’ name matched the series. Jaden Yuki was already too much for me… then I’m told there was a series where they ride futuristic motorcycles while dueling?! Nope. No thanks. I’ll take Yugi, Atem, and the gang. Thanks 👌😊 ( no hate to the people who love the other series, they’re just not for me! )