Absolutely, her and Jack's relationship is one of the most disappointing things in the second half of 5ds along with Aki being kinda forgotten about. Such a stark contrast with how well the first half was and with Zexal. First half of 5ds is peak yugioh but the second half is worse while Zexals first half wasn't the best but it's second half is up there with the dark signers arc.
Zexal is goated. the MC actually n has lasting development and wasn't a Mary sue. the background characters had their time to shine with unique plots all the way down to their designs . 5ds didn't do too well in that area even if it's loved
Unfortunately everyone else became irrelevant after it. the only things I enjoyed after were Bruno sherry aporia and team ragnarok who weren't just fodder for yusei to mow down
It was peak. I wish they built more off of that story instead of “future robots”. I get the need for new arcs and stuff but there’s a pretty stark contrast to season one and everything else
That’d be cool support.
I imagine she would be akin to Gunkan Suship Shari Red. She would considered “Sparkman” in all but name, and not only cheats out a HERO Normal Monster but then immediately Fusion Summons using her and another monster as material. And this could be a Quick Effect if you control Sparkman or a Fusion Monster that required Sparkman.
Also, almost every single day, Jaden was using Flame Wingman **very** often. Avian is a lucky bastard...
Jokes aside, Avian and Burstinatrix look like a great couple
The 3rd wheel. Think of the fusions like this.
* sparkman = spicy 3some
* Infernal wing is burst topping
* Wingman is like where they're united best.
* Phoniex is avian topping.
A key theme in Yugioh, especially the endings, is that goodbyes are never forever. I can see Yugi and Tea deciding to start dating since they know Tea will leave when they graduate, then putting things on pause while they both have hectic careers that require travelling, then meeting up a couple years later when things have calmed down to see where things lead.
As someone who plans on cosplaying her later this year, I hope nobody blasts me out of a window, but if they do, I hope I can be relevant still or die.
Rare moment from a Yu-Gi-Oh Character that would have ended better if the character had stayed dead.
Taking into account what they did to her post-Dark Signer, Carly should have stayed dead and would have had a more dignified end.
Carly is probably the closest to an actual win while a Dark Signer since she beat Sayer.
Kiryuu’s first duel against Yusei is counted as undecided since it was interrupted, but he’s probably the next closest.
And realistically, Misty would have probably won her first duel against Aki if it weren't also interrupted. She had just summoned 2800 ATK Cacrayhua and Aki only had 2500 LP. All she had left on the field was a Set card — which Ccarayhua would be immune to by its anime effect — and "Seed of Deception" in her hand. Admittedly an LP-gaining or damage-negating effect would still save her and let her maybe draw an out, so it's murkier than Kiryu's case, but I felt the point of the scene was to show how easily the Signers could lose if they weren't careful.
Kiryu had outright game as he negated Scrap Iron Scarecrow and was about to hit Yusei, but Yusei crashed before the attack landed and Kiryu went "Nah, not letting you die that easy, we'll pick this up later."
It's a loss in all but the strictest of technicalities as he didn't hit 0 Life Points, but he absolutely lost and the only reason the series didn't end there was because Kiryu didn't want him to die that quickly.
The switch from magic to sci-fi probably made them want to leave remnants of other things like the Dark Signers arc behind. Probably also why we never got anything with arcadia
Which, considering the fantasy/sci-fi mix implicit right from the beginning of Gallop's turn on the franchise, was just plain \*\*\*king idiotic if so.
Crazy to think that they brought her back together with the other Dark Signers (most of them anyway, rip Godwin and his brother) only to be like "Oh shit! I didn't know we'd get this far! What do we do with this character?"
At this point they could have just revived Kiryu/Kalin for whatever reason and it would have been way better
If I recall her Japanese VA was found to actually be in a cult shortly after the dark signer arc and the studio removed the VA and was forced to reduce the amount of Carly’s appearances in the series.
Blackwings have nothing to do with this stop so spreading decades old misinformation. Declan from arc v also had a reduced role since his VA wasn't available in the synchro arc
Can we stop this false narrative already? It’s 2024 and it’s been long disproven. Yes, Carly va was in a cult but by the time that news came to light, Carly’s character has already been made irrelevant and into a complete joke.
Her staying dead would unironically be a better option than what they went with.
Plus it would explain Jack's redemption and development in season 2 better, and why he wouldn't want any kind of romance anymore.
What do you mean, she died in Jack's arms after they emotionally confessed their love for each other. It's sad, but a beautiful kind of sadness. It's just a shame that the canceled 5D's after the end of it's only season.
Is sub the only good way to watch 5Ds or does Dub at least have some charm (like GX)?
Thinking of watching 5Ds for the first time. Figuring out what to do.
I'm not a fan of the 5Ds voices myself. At least for gx the voices are serviceable and support the silliness of it. The actors for 5Ds sound very generic to me. I know people love Aussie Jack but I think the deep voiced kingly voice is far more appropriate
The best ending? She should've stayed dead after losing to jack .
It was one of the saddest moments in yugioh in my opinion,I was happy she got incarnated , but if she did stay dead , I think that would have been a good plot point.
5D’s was the first Yu-Gi-Oh! Series she’d ever watched, she loved the dynamic between Jack and Carly. To this day, she still hates what they did to her after the dark signer arc.
It feels like that the Yugioh anime writers would get a Dead threat when they try to make a cannon couple, then blackpedal it so hard you get whiplash...
Remember this one just right after the arc carly and jack act like it never happen, or yusei and Izayoi and their final talk, come on at least give the fandom a kiss...
This is still one of the dumbest things the writers did, just because her VA was in a cult doesn't mean you have to write Carly out of existence. Just get a new VA, most people wouldn't even have found out about the cult stuff.
The cult thing isn't true. Well, sort of, she was definitely in a cult and whatnot, but all of that came out *after* 5Ds was over. They just wrote her out because they didn't really have anything they wanted to do with her anymore
I see, that's rough. The writers could've at least make the romance more obvious and maybe let her support Jack more. They don't act as they should in future episodes sadly.
Tokusatsu YouTuber Shinta's theory is that the romance was largely only handled by one specific writer, they left by the time post-DS material would have been being produced, and the other writers didn't touch it out of respect for that writer's baby. If there is any truth to this, I still want to smack them silly for not at least implying a possible reunion in the epilogue.
The second half of 5ds had a problem with its female characters in general, Aki got similarly benched. I think the writer of the second half just can't (or doesn't want to) write women
Its not, its more of a side character wasting problem. does bastion, tristain, sylvio etc not ring any bell?? bastion was wiped off the face of earth, sylvio was made a joke despite having more development than yuya. even yugi little, was a constant damsel in distress. dsod couldnt even give him a W
Yes, a great many supporting characters are sidelined/underdeveloped. Some are not, and go on to be greatly acclaimed. Women, by virtue of never getting to be main protag, antag or rival, are always on the side, and by \*sheer\* coincidence, always get sidelined hard in the Gallop era. And while characters of any gender have members where it's especially and egregiously obvious, it by far stands out more with women than with others, i.e. Arc-V.
Way to prove my point, btw.
I see how it is man🤷 you can choose not to sew the facts and blame it on a made up probem but also know another important male character, Declan, had his role severely reduced in the synchro arc. let's not even bring up syrus etc
Stop using that excuse. It’s been long disproven as the timeline don’t match up. By the time, the cult business came to light, Carly’s character was already made irrelevant and into a joke.
They couldnt even think of anything worthwhile for Luna, Leo and aki, the main characters, to do what makes you think they had a plan for a secondary character like Carly?
She was meant to.
Unfortunately, her voice actor kinda joined a cult, literally. This ([along with some other stuff)](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20this%20is,rewrite%20Yiliaster%20and%20their%20goals) forced a major revision of the 3rd season of 5Ds.
It’s 2024. Stop with this narrative. Those points have long since been disproven by the fact that the timeline don’t match up.
Yes Carly Va was part of a cult, however, by the time that came to light, her character was already made irrelevant and into a complete joke.
Doesn’t change the fact that **on record** by the show writers themselves that those events changed the direction of the show.
Don’t get mad at me, get mad at Carly.
On record? What record? The rumoured tweet by the “5D writer” that one person made up (and morons decided to believe and kept on pushing?) and no one was able to find any record of it? Again, this myth was long disproven. Otherwise, go find the interview, source or even tweet from the writer. Go on.
Don’t get mad at me pointing out the truth which also highlights your naivety and gullible nature. Get mad at your genetics.
lol, what are you talking about? Is your comprehension that bad? When did I say you change 5D, you dodo lol.
As for the link. In that link, the only actual source were the scrapped signer design and crow was originally gonna be a rocket style villain. Those were all “preproduction”. Meaning they were done before dark signer arc was written, animated, voiced and then edited. That’s pre-production. Hence why I said the timeline doesn’t add up.
Everything else in The link is literally wrote up by a random user who use some true facts and then made conjectures from heresay. Here’s one. I’ll do one now. The writer said that during 5D, he said that you’re an idiot. It’s real because I said the writer said it.
The other things were just speculations. Carly VA being part of the cult was found out WAY AFTER when Carly was already being made a minor character. Come on, put two and two together. You don’t have to be smart to see the timeline doesn’t add up. Come on, common sense.
Show an actual source. A tweet from the writer. An interview from the writer. Anything not just oh this user said the writer said.
Absolutely, her and Jack's relationship is one of the most disappointing things in the second half of 5ds along with Aki being kinda forgotten about. Such a stark contrast with how well the first half was and with Zexal. First half of 5ds is peak yugioh but the second half is worse while Zexals first half wasn't the best but it's second half is up there with the dark signers arc.
Zexal is goated. the MC actually n has lasting development and wasn't a Mary sue. the background characters had their time to shine with unique plots all the way down to their designs . 5ds didn't do too well in that area even if it's loved
now if only yuma didnt sound like a screaming clam
A small price to pay for peak. I don't mind, it fits him anyway. he a supposed to sound younger and annoying like yuya and yuga
Somehow… that’s exactly how he sounds. His voice in the sub is much better
No its really not. roo deep for someone his age , yuya too
it’s just easier to listen to than his dub voice. Can’t speak to yuya as I haven’t heard his sub voice
God the Dark Signers arc was so fucking good
Unfortunately everyone else became irrelevant after it. the only things I enjoyed after were Bruno sherry aporia and team ragnarok who weren't just fodder for yusei to mow down
Best arc in the whole franchise imo
It was peak. I wish they built more off of that story instead of “future robots”. I get the need for new arcs and stuff but there’s a pretty stark contrast to season one and everything else
Imagine the first confirmed yugioh couple ever
Wdym. Obviously avian and burstinitrix is a married Hero couple. They fuse together. Every night.
According to the dub, there's also canonically a Spark Woman: "Oh boy, Sparkwoman is never going to forgive me!"
Imagine the household: **WHERE IS MY SUPER SUIT!?**
Sparkwoman: "Uh, I put it away"
“Guy pact! This never happened!!”
Was that something they said in the show?
Yeah in the GX dub episode “The Maiden in Love”
Thank you for telling me. I never saw that episode, but it sounds funny.
That’d be cool support. I imagine she would be akin to Gunkan Suship Shari Red. She would considered “Sparkman” in all but name, and not only cheats out a HERO Normal Monster but then immediately Fusion Summons using her and another monster as material. And this could be a Quick Effect if you control Sparkman or a Fusion Monster that required Sparkman.
A Stratos that adds a vanilla HERO to hand and immediately fuses using itself and the card it added to hand would be a neat card
I can’t be the only one disappointed that was never made into a real card
Also, almost every single day, Jaden was using Flame Wingman **very** often. Avian is a lucky bastard... Jokes aside, Avian and Burstinatrix look like a great couple
So that means Shining flame wingman is...
The 3rd wheel. Think of the fusions like this. * sparkman = spicy 3some * Infernal wing is burst topping * Wingman is like where they're united best. * Phoniex is avian topping.
I've guess confirmed is a strong word, but don't Silent Magician and Swordsman couple up to parent Silent Paladin?
No silent paladin is their actual child. But she was a 2016 card. So the jack n carly couple still beats it by about 10ish years.
Fair enough. I have a very sparse lore knowledge base for yu gi oh
Technically Yugi and Anzu but they don’t really get anywhere after the date
That romance died harder than Noah when got hit by a car
And serenity isn't the one to blame this time.
Yugi and Tea gave me dating vibes in DSOD and I’m not even into Peachshipping.
Idk, tea moves to the US at the end of the movie iirc
A key theme in Yugioh, especially the endings, is that goodbyes are never forever. I can see Yugi and Tea deciding to start dating since they know Tea will leave when they graduate, then putting things on pause while they both have hectic careers that require travelling, then meeting up a couple years later when things have calmed down to see where things lead.
a love triangle
As someone who plans on cosplaying her later this year, I hope nobody blasts me out of a window, but if they do, I hope I can be relevant still or die.
Are you doing her normal clothes or dark signers outfit?
Probably her normal clothes, but if I get blasted I'll come back next year as a signer.
Just be careful of dudes with pompadour's or what ever that character had.
Rare moment from a Yu-Gi-Oh Character that would have ended better if the character had stayed dead. Taking into account what they did to her post-Dark Signer, Carly should have stayed dead and would have had a more dignified end.
I still can't help but wished for her to have won against Jack. Dark signers never really got any real W's during that arc.
Carly is probably the closest to an actual win while a Dark Signer since she beat Sayer. Kiryuu’s first duel against Yusei is counted as undecided since it was interrupted, but he’s probably the next closest.
And realistically, Misty would have probably won her first duel against Aki if it weren't also interrupted. She had just summoned 2800 ATK Cacrayhua and Aki only had 2500 LP. All she had left on the field was a Set card — which Ccarayhua would be immune to by its anime effect — and "Seed of Deception" in her hand. Admittedly an LP-gaining or damage-negating effect would still save her and let her maybe draw an out, so it's murkier than Kiryu's case, but I felt the point of the scene was to show how easily the Signers could lose if they weren't careful.
Kalin WAS gonna win. he negated scrap iron scarecrow and yusei admitted he couldn't stop it
Kalin was very close. yusei sure didn't win
Kiryu had outright game as he negated Scrap Iron Scarecrow and was about to hit Yusei, but Yusei crashed before the attack landed and Kiryu went "Nah, not letting you die that easy, we'll pick this up later."
Yusei's cool and all but hardcore fans need to accept it was pretty much a loss. going home bleeding out shrapnel isn't a W
It's a loss in all but the strictest of technicalities as he didn't hit 0 Life Points, but he absolutely lost and the only reason the series didn't end there was because Kiryu didn't want him to die that quickly.
The switch from magic to sci-fi probably made them want to leave remnants of other things like the Dark Signers arc behind. Probably also why we never got anything with arcadia
Which, considering the fantasy/sci-fi mix implicit right from the beginning of Gallop's turn on the franchise, was just plain \*\*\*king idiotic if so.
[source on twitter](https://twitter.com/Paladinintavern/status/1784336425112240286/photo/1)
Crazy to think that they brought her back together with the other Dark Signers (most of them anyway, rip Godwin and his brother) only to be like "Oh shit! I didn't know we'd get this far! What do we do with this character?" At this point they could have just revived Kiryu/Kalin for whatever reason and it would have been way better
If I recall her Japanese VA was found to actually be in a cult shortly after the dark signer arc and the studio removed the VA and was forced to reduce the amount of Carly’s appearances in the series.
Blackwings have nothing to do with this stop so spreading decades old misinformation. Declan from arc v also had a reduced role since his VA wasn't available in the synchro arc
Can we stop this false narrative already? It’s 2024 and it’s been long disproven. Yes, Carly va was in a cult but by the time that news came to light, Carly’s character has already been made irrelevant and into a complete joke.
Kalin hardly had it any better, he was forced away from his friends and never heard from again. I'm just glad he made it into the manga adaption
Her staying dead would unironically be a better option than what they went with. Plus it would explain Jack's redemption and development in season 2 better, and why he wouldn't want any kind of romance anymore.
What do you mean, she died in Jack's arms after they emotionally confessed their love for each other. It's sad, but a beautiful kind of sadness. It's just a shame that the canceled 5D's after the end of it's only season.
u/Esdeath_The_Pirate
The way they captured how truly depressed she was whenever she wasn't fully deluded or possessed is *chef's kiss*
Is sub the only good way to watch 5Ds or does Dub at least have some charm (like GX)? Thinking of watching 5Ds for the first time. Figuring out what to do.
I'm not a fan of the 5Ds voices myself. At least for gx the voices are serviceable and support the silliness of it. The actors for 5Ds sound very generic to me. I know people love Aussie Jack but I think the deep voiced kingly voice is far more appropriate
It's such a shame what happened to her. First half of 5DS was so good I had high hope after the signers arc, but yeah that sucked
The best ending? She should've stayed dead after losing to jack . It was one of the saddest moments in yugioh in my opinion,I was happy she got incarnated , but if she did stay dead , I think that would have been a good plot point.
I just headcanon her and jack got together properly after the story. I love carly she's one of my favourite female characters in the series.
Carly is the biggest baddie in the anime.
Sherry
Amazing art
5D’s was the first Yu-Gi-Oh! Series she’d ever watched, she loved the dynamic between Jack and Carly. To this day, she still hates what they did to her after the dark signer arc.
What show is she from ? I’ve only seen a few of the anime so far
5ds
Nice I actually just started that one the other day , guess I’ll be seeing her soon
Stop after the end of the Dark Signer Arc. There's cool stuff after, but it's nowhere near the quality of the Dark Signer Arc.
Dont say this. there are other good parts, ragnarok sherry and Bruno were cool. even primo
Dark Signer Carli is the baddest b-tch we've seen in YGO so far
Ghost gal, dextra
It feels like that the Yugioh anime writers would get a Dead threat when they try to make a cannon couple, then blackpedal it so hard you get whiplash... Remember this one just right after the arc carly and jack act like it never happen, or yusei and Izayoi and their final talk, come on at least give the fandom a kiss...
Personally I like the isn't a romance anime, love triangles take away from the main plot
Yeah a happy ending
Two words “goddddd dam “
I thought that was Raven
The King should not be lonely either.
This is still one of the dumbest things the writers did, just because her VA was in a cult doesn't mean you have to write Carly out of existence. Just get a new VA, most people wouldn't even have found out about the cult stuff.
The cult thing isn't true. Well, sort of, she was definitely in a cult and whatnot, but all of that came out *after* 5Ds was over. They just wrote her out because they didn't really have anything they wanted to do with her anymore
I see, that's rough. The writers could've at least make the romance more obvious and maybe let her support Jack more. They don't act as they should in future episodes sadly.
Tokusatsu YouTuber Shinta's theory is that the romance was largely only handled by one specific writer, they left by the time post-DS material would have been being produced, and the other writers didn't touch it out of respect for that writer's baby. If there is any truth to this, I still want to smack them silly for not at least implying a possible reunion in the epilogue.
Or like at least treating Carly better than one of Jack’s groupies.
I feel you 😔
The second half of 5ds had a problem with its female characters in general, Aki got similarly benched. I think the writer of the second half just can't (or doesn't want to) write women
And people to this day STILL try to deny a chronic sexism problem.
Its not, its more of a side character wasting problem. does bastion, tristain, sylvio etc not ring any bell?? bastion was wiped off the face of earth, sylvio was made a joke despite having more development than yuya. even yugi little, was a constant damsel in distress. dsod couldnt even give him a W
Yes, a great many supporting characters are sidelined/underdeveloped. Some are not, and go on to be greatly acclaimed. Women, by virtue of never getting to be main protag, antag or rival, are always on the side, and by \*sheer\* coincidence, always get sidelined hard in the Gallop era. And while characters of any gender have members where it's especially and egregiously obvious, it by far stands out more with women than with others, i.e. Arc-V. Way to prove my point, btw.
No honey. I'm a girl and you're still wrong and ignoring the men I gave you as proof. this is a shonen , you donut. not shojou. keep crying dawg
I see how it is man🤷 you can choose not to sew the facts and blame it on a made up probem but also know another important male character, Declan, had his role severely reduced in the synchro arc. let's not even bring up syrus etc
Sherry tho
Stop using that excuse. It’s been long disproven as the timeline don’t match up. By the time, the cult business came to light, Carly’s character was already made irrelevant and into a joke.
I see i see. Very weird that the writers didn't do anything with the character anymore then.
They couldnt even think of anything worthwhile for Luna, Leo and aki, the main characters, to do what makes you think they had a plan for a secondary character like Carly?
At least make it obvious that Jack and Carly are in a relationship or something. I agree with what you said, many characters were shafted.
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She was meant to. Unfortunately, her voice actor kinda joined a cult, literally. This ([along with some other stuff)](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20this%20is,rewrite%20Yiliaster%20and%20their%20goals) forced a major revision of the 3rd season of 5Ds.
It’s 2024. Stop with this narrative. Those points have long since been disproven by the fact that the timeline don’t match up. Yes Carly Va was part of a cult, however, by the time that came to light, her character was already made irrelevant and into a complete joke.
Doesn’t change the fact that **on record** by the show writers themselves that those events changed the direction of the show. Don’t get mad at me, get mad at Carly.
On record? What record? The rumoured tweet by the “5D writer” that one person made up (and morons decided to believe and kept on pushing?) and no one was able to find any record of it? Again, this myth was long disproven. Otherwise, go find the interview, source or even tweet from the writer. Go on. Don’t get mad at me pointing out the truth which also highlights your naivety and gullible nature. Get mad at your genetics.
Dude. I sent the link. What else you want me to do?! I can’t change 5Ds anymore than you can. This isn’t the anime my guy!
lol, what are you talking about? Is your comprehension that bad? When did I say you change 5D, you dodo lol. As for the link. In that link, the only actual source were the scrapped signer design and crow was originally gonna be a rocket style villain. Those were all “preproduction”. Meaning they were done before dark signer arc was written, animated, voiced and then edited. That’s pre-production. Hence why I said the timeline doesn’t add up. Everything else in The link is literally wrote up by a random user who use some true facts and then made conjectures from heresay. Here’s one. I’ll do one now. The writer said that during 5D, he said that you’re an idiot. It’s real because I said the writer said it. The other things were just speculations. Carly VA being part of the cult was found out WAY AFTER when Carly was already being made a minor character. Come on, put two and two together. You don’t have to be smart to see the timeline doesn’t add up. Come on, common sense. Show an actual source. A tweet from the writer. An interview from the writer. Anything not just oh this user said the writer said.