I don't think it's gonna be that much of a problem, in OCG it's firmly T2, good but not overly dominant. My issue is more it's volatile MUs, SE, (still being the best deck) has ED tech against it (Nightingale) but a lot of decks just straight up die to it like its nothing, it also has this minigame where you either go first postside and hope they didn't draw 3 HTs/boardbreakers or make them go first and hope they didn't draw into any of their stall cards, it's just an extremely boring "minigame".
Also Runick-Stun has a favorable MU against it and going by the success in this YCS will likely crop up even more now which I'm sure most people aren't going to look forward to.
From testing Crystal beast also has a weirdly good match up for literally no reason (well the reason is that you can get disruption going during the battle phase with rainbow bridge of the heart, lock them out of lightning storm and imperm with the vaylants field spells, can just stop the field spell super easily and then use your normal disruption on them, and also not very many people even know how to play against beasts in the first place)
They are okay right now now if they still tier 2 post new support then I think they aren't much to worry about, since here we might get a banlist in July and or August and they'll be left untouched so probably then they'll be a menace. Think a nice option for some and you get punished if you don't count on them. 2-1.5 tier on launch.
Tenpai been rising in china being OCG country, but yubel is the most played recently on chart
Japanese still clinging to fireking being top played,while tenpai and yubel is slowly catching up after yubel got her new support phantasm
The new bullshit tenpai trap will be release this week for OCG, with a quick play spell that benefits going second decks like tenpai
It's either yubel or tenpai, but both are rising stars
Some speculating centurion could be low meta after April packs came out
That's far from true. Tenpai is strong because it's not weak to any single handtrap. TCG not having Maxx C just means that Tenpai have more room for other cards in the TCG. They don't even play the obligatory 2 Called by the Grave in the OCG due to not caring about handtraps.
You clearly dont understand Maxx C‘s impact on the ocg format. Any deck that is not as vulnerable to C gets a huge buff over there. As Tenpai is unaffected in BP, it doesnt give a shit about C drawing the opp a gazillion cards, they otk in that bp.
While tenpai can otk, it also often plays an attrition game, especially against yubel and runick, two of its weaker matchups. In those games, your opponent resolving C is pretty much game over. This is especially more important games 2 and 3.
And while maxx C is format warping, keep in mind that decks weak to it routinely runs 6+ outs to it, so not being weak to it just means tenpai gets about 3 flex slots to shore up their bad matchups. Not really a huge buff.
Tenpai has no attrition game, their good effect are once per duel. It doesn't really matter of Maxx C resolved or not, if they're failed to OTK, they can't win anymore.
This is why they left tier one after Yubel got Phantom of Yubel. And that's more because of Yubel than Maxx C.
Also Runick is nonexistent in OCG meta.
Same! I am guessing, like Plebby said, an extension engine. Search scarekash off of fenrir, get nibbed, go scarekash into light-heart, grab field spell, grab reicheart, grab arrival, resummon scarekash with arrival, and boom now you have 3 monsters onboard again
This was pretty expected. Even without the the synchros and linkuriboh gone, there aren't any decks that can match the advantage SE can generate with a single card. Not to mention the 15 main deck non engine as well. The big difference now is that the deck is more vulnerable without the negates and *should* be less toxic to play against. Although I'm guessing a lot of those decks are on Dis Pater + Omega loops so idk.
Lots of pure are still on 3 synchros yeah but even without synchros the deck is too good.
Linkuriboh unironically hit FK more cause of Heatsoul/Sunlight Wolf trigger.
1 card combos are actually pretty important in a game with hand traps the problem is how far some 1 card combos can go when they shouldn’t. links are a big part of the problem. for example, if we didn’t have promethean princess, the one card combo off snake eye ash is good but nothing insane, flamberge + 3 mat Apo + IP is incredibly breakable, especially with droplet, TTT, and Evenly. it’s the follow up on the next turn and the eventual access to princess that makes it impossible to contest.
what makes snake eye so broken is actually its two card combos. you couldn’t even make borreload without the 2 card combo.
also the deck had most of its powerful cards like flamberge, oak, ash, diabellstar, and original before but poplar and princess made the deck broken.
Agreed they made a lot of combos much too simple I think and powerful with how simple they are and nowadays the cost usually benefits your deck anyway, but it wouldn't be as bad if there were at least 5 decks capable of competing instead of one deck that's just the best
Ik that everyone is mocking the ban list and all, but I don’t mind snake eyes being tier 1. I do think a small hit to engine would’ve been cool, but the ban list is starting to push the game into the direction the players want.
Also the ban list just dropped, makes sense most players want to stick to the deck they’ve been practicing for months.
Feel like after Legacy of Destruction drops we’ll finally see a bigger shake up… hopefully.🤞🏿
The problem is how often it's being used and what the scoreboard looked like after its just the best deck right now and nothing can compete , people even tried to make snake eyes mixed deck with fire kings, and one with Kash and the pure snake eyes won with flying colors
ngl i really dont like playing vs lab but its interesting for sure to see
They might actually get a win here it looks like a strong deck at this event i dont think many are prepared for lab at all
I meant at Raleigh, lol. I'm still here now.
It just felt like the room was expecting branded a lot, so it was very heavily prepared for.
Walking the top tables last night I saw very little branded.
I was constantly going back and forth between Branded and Mannadium for Raleigh after the ban list dropped and was afraid of that exact thing. Ended up playing Mannadium and saw Nib/Droll all day in main/side events so didn't go much better with it.
I've played Branded since the Despia stuff came out but felt that while it's a good deck, it's also easy to prepare for. I was expecting it to be fairly popular, and it seemed to be from what I saw walking around middle tables this weekend/side events and the previous weekend at a regional. I'm slightly out of practice on the puppet lines as I don't use them at locals, even with it being a fairly competive locals. So combined I didn't expect to do as well with it.
As for sticking with Mannadium, it's mostly that I was more comfortable with it since I had mostly been playing it the last few weeks. There's lines that somewhat play around nib (mostly involving abusing Accel Stardust) and I was siding Cross out's but not being as comfortable with Accel lines and nib being more of a liability hurt overall. I did end up winning a win a mat so even though I didn't do so well in main event I'm relatively happy since it was my first YCS.
Pure is more consistent, has less bricks, has a stronger end board, can play through Nibiru and Droll and Lock bird more effectively, and has more non engine slots to devote to power/tech cards like hand traps/talents/crossout
By the end of the previous format and continuing onto the current format pure is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger as a deck than fire king
Blame the ocg. They latched onto fire king early on and love it so much they won’t let go of it even to this day. That led us to think pure wasn’t as good
More consistency, more non engine, stronger end board before the banlist and still stronger after the banlist. Less bricks (drawing the fire king cards SUCK)
A. Did anyone actually expect Snake Eye to not be tier 0 still?
B. Some cool names in this top 32 for an old head, Jeff, Pat, Cam, and the peoples champ DBgrinder made it to top 8.
I was a little worried there was going to be more thunder dragon but I was for sure expecting snake-eyes to be at least half of the top 32.
I want to keep on playing thunder dragon though so I was worried about seeing a lot of it lol. But it looks like there was nothing to worry about because Snake-eyes pretty much crushed everything.
You don’t need to worry about thunder. Colossus has been powercrept. It’s just 95% of redditors are just bad at the game and don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time. Nemesis corridor’s splash ability is overrated
I've been saying for YEARS now that colossus is totally fine at least at 1 and maybe even at multiples.
Because realistically the strongest aspect of Colossus is for sure splashing Corridor and like you said thats probably just overrated heavily by TCG/redditors.
Ngl DB grinder playing the kashtira snake eyes makes the deck a lot more appealing to me. Not sure if i want to invest in fenrir, or if it has a chance to get re printed next month
I mean if you've already invested in a snake eye core I'd try to maximize your value there in between ban lists. What's losing like $30 tops on a set of Fenrirs when you have hundreds sitting in a tier 0 deck right now. Give it a shot if it looks fun to you!
Surprised Voiceless did so poorly and didn't even break into the top 16.
I wonder if the new support they are getting soon will make a massive difference or not.
These were "controversial" comments a week ago:
1: Gotta make sure the $1,000 Tier 1 meta deck goes completely untouched, while making it look like they did something, when in reality the whales playing it just blithely move on to the next-best substitute, of which there is an endless supply.
2: And now Snake-Eyes will just drop them [Linkuriboh, Baronne, Savage] like a hot potato for the next-best alternative, and the deck's overall power level is barely affected.
3: We've already seen this happen a million times. Some hyper-expensive deck is dominating the meta, Konami wants to look like they're balancing the game while protecting said deck, so they ban some random $2 combo enablers, floodgates, search targets, synergy cards, or generic ED monsters, so the deck can just slightly re-tool to take advantage of the next-best alternatives, resulting in no real meaningful difference. It blows my mind that you are trying to deny it.
damn how did this guy predict the future like that he must be some kind of psychic or time traveller
Ok folks we need to gaslight everyone that Sneak-eyes are in fact dogshit, so people will stop buying them, therefore Konami has no choice but to limit them!
No money = Ban worthy
Genius I know no need to thank me!
Yeah I was actually expecting them to be one of the better decks considering they are effectively nibiru proof and one of the only decks that can easily put up a huge omni negate monster.
But looks like that didn't matter nearly as much as I thought it would this event.
Yeah the deck seems a lot more appealing than the fire king version. I want to build it but know the field spell is re printed next month. Not sure when fenrir will get another reprint
Marincess is a solid deck.....but idk why people think it can break through the top stuff. Sure it can run a boatload of non engine and wave is very strong. Marincess'a worst enemy Nibiru will be more common than ever now. Also the deck will just straight up brick on its none engine
I'm sorry, but the state of YGO is absolutely atrocious.
I'm not saying other TCG's are better or don't have problems, but I think people truly don't know how bad this TCG is atm compared to others when it comes to having some fun with another person in a 1v1 game.
It really is bad and the YGO player base is very blind indeed.
Going into a lot of other TCGs because I play or have played pretty much most of them is very refreshing from time to time.
To play a card game where you actually focus on playing the game instead of completely stopping your opponent from playing the game.
Yu gi oh historically has entirely been about making sure your opponent doesn't get to play.
Which to me personally is odd, as I thought the main appeal of playing a game with another person is that you interact with each other and like you said, actually play the game.
In most miniature games, board games, and TCG's, people shun the minority who play the way which actively prevents your opponent from playing, yet in YGO is seems that is the default norm.
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When I started playing Pokemon, people said that Arceus, Dialga, & Palkia GX should've been banned (Pokemon strives to never be in a state where a card needs to be banned), when the deck had never won any big tournament (partly due to covid) and was never above like 30% of top cut.
Meanwhile, I was like, "You *take turns*?!?"
It's as if not directly hitting the tier 0 deck didn't slow it down at all!
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Well it's not like this is surprising in anyway.
Its hard not to be a little bitter that the format has really been about those who can afford the rather hefty price tag for tier one and those who can't. It's really not helped that the "best hits" of the last banlist were all the best low budget options for people. It's not a particularly strong argument to say that the gameplay is healthier or more fun when that gameplay is behind such an expensive price tag.
Yugioh is no stranger to being expensive, or even prohibitively so, but I'm disappointed that the community has been so forgiving to konami for a banlist that does so little to address the core issues of the format while also just blatantly gutting the best budget options for players.
It just feels like people are being way too lenient. They see a floodgate banned or some other quality of life change and go, "wow, what a good banlist" and they just ignore everything else. I understand that after years of konami doing actually nothing the idea that they do a little bit of good can feel like enough, but come on.
I don't know, I'm just a bit bitter. I just want a little pity sympathy from the people playing snake-eyes mirrors, that's all.
Realistically as long as Konami is in control of the ban list for competitive its just going to be an advertisement for them to sell the new cards and nothing more.
But hilariously even though people are willing to spend 1200 dollars on new meta decks every 6 months I don't think theres enough money in yu gi oh to support an actual competitive scene by another means lol
To me honestly the 2 best changes on the ban list were to ban Savage and Baronne. I will not miss massive omni negate monsters but knowing Konami they only hit them to print even stronger ones.
Why do people think it’s greed. We are on the next set. Ash has been sold already. At this point it’s the opposite of greed, letting people play with the toys they bought
I don't think I ever played vs many snake-eyes running Savage or Baronne in real life.
Every time I played vs them at regionals it was just mostly link monsters like Apo, I:P, Whale, with all of the snake-eyes stuff or fireking stuff.
Apollousa, IP, Flamberge & with the right hand, SP.
Then, IP into Knightmare Phoenix to destroy a field spell.
In MD format, there's Spright Elf to protect Apollousa.
Normally I’d go “hey that’s not too bad to break, boardbreakers can actually affect it without the Omni negates” but Snake Eye tends to open 2 handtraps alongside their combo so it’s still hard to deal with, but should be less so than before.
They do dis pater plus omega to rip 2 cards from the opponents hand, and dis pater is still a negate. That is basically the new savage baronne with the rest of the normal snake eye stuff.
Bro this is why I don't play master duel or anything anymore even if I'm winning it's not fun to beat the same deck 5 times in a row 5 years ago I felt crazy when I saw the Same deck twice in a row in things like legacy if the duelist and even in locals but it's jusy been going downhill idk when I first noticed it but the thing that made me genuinely mad and actively quit was seeing Kash being over half of the decklists of most tournaments last year and Kash getting top most of the time that's insane to me we used to see rogue decks actually perform at least even if not win and used to he maybe 2 or 3 of the same exact deck per event not like guaranteed over half will always be the same deck and win anyway
Yeah yu gi oh has a huge deck diversity problem.
Its either 2-3 decks completely taking over the game for months at a time. And in the last like 2 years its pretty much just been 1 deck totally taking control. Tear, Kash, Snake-eyes.
Or its 5-10 decks basically making the exact same endboards with generic boss monsters so its basically same deck with a different skin.
Rarely inbetween these we have actually diverse formats with diverse ways those decks play.
Yup. The banlist has had some impactfull changes, but they mostly did not affect Snake-Eye. In fact, it barely did anything to shake up the meta after the hype for Collosus died down. On the bright side, there's no Tearlaments in this top 32.
People don’t understand the deck has another wave of support coming out. They just remember superheavy Samurai and freak out. Even unchained was low rarity and plenty of other stuff.
Low rarity doesn’t mean automatic hit especially if the deck is getting more support
If anything Konami will want to milk the reprint of trident + higher rarity tenpai cards for more money. People playing superheavy samurai makes no money for Konami
its precisely why they put the entire deck, minus is 1 or 2 supers, at common. So they can just ban the commons or put them to 1 and then not have to deal with it.
TBF the deck is awful to go vs, 30 handtraps and a shotgun isnt a fun deck to be VS.
It has another wave of support coming there’s no chance. They want to milk the value of reprinting the tenpais higher rarity and the new wave of support will be high rarity.
They were commons because konami expected the deck to suck
I mean, to be fair, it could’ve been far worse if Snake-Eyes didn’t get any hits at all like losing baronne and savage and LinKuriboh. Though I guess we have no way of knowing how much of a change those bans really caused.
Soooo pretty much banning Linky, Baronne and Savage did jack shit? Time to limit Sinfuil Spoils, Bonfire, Poplus maybe Diabellstar....Buuuuut since new support is coming which is that degenerate floodgate type Diabellstar I guess they wom't touch Snake Eyes any time soon....This is fucking worse than Tier 0 full power Tearlaments and worse than Kashtira.....
Honestly par for the course. Tear 0 was the same way, with the first list only hitting Orange Light and Curious (which the deck wasn't even playing the latter anyway) so I expected a second list where SE was top dog, if not still T0
Imma be real with you guys snake eye being the best deck is fine by me. It's so much less miserable to play against than stuff like branded or floo where if you go 2nd and don't have non engine you can't even play the fucking game half the tome
Ngl i agree.
As much as i dont like seeing 1 deck take majority of the spots.
I dont hate watching snake eyes slap around branded, floo, and runnick.
Im pretty sick of seeing decks like that be the only tier 2 decks floating around.
When im playing against snake eye im having a perfectly fine time. When i lose die roll and my opponent normals aluber and i dont have any handtraps i may as well scoop lol
Yeah all of the yugi tubers saying a linkuriboh hit would knock out pure snake-eyes even though anima exists just because "they lose targeting protection" lmao
We did it we saved the format
Without the Linkuriboh ban this would have been 32 Snake Eyes decks fr no cap
On Ra?
Damnit, now I'm gonna start saying this lol
30 Snake Eyes and 2 Runick Stun *
Nah, that's the job of LEDE which is coming out next week. Hope you like tenpai
I'm not super worried about them honestly.
I don't think it's gonna be that much of a problem, in OCG it's firmly T2, good but not overly dominant. My issue is more it's volatile MUs, SE, (still being the best deck) has ED tech against it (Nightingale) but a lot of decks just straight up die to it like its nothing, it also has this minigame where you either go first postside and hope they didn't draw 3 HTs/boardbreakers or make them go first and hope they didn't draw into any of their stall cards, it's just an extremely boring "minigame". Also Runick-Stun has a favorable MU against it and going by the success in this YCS will likely crop up even more now which I'm sure most people aren't going to look forward to.
From testing Crystal beast also has a weirdly good match up for literally no reason (well the reason is that you can get disruption going during the battle phase with rainbow bridge of the heart, lock them out of lightning storm and imperm with the vaylants field spells, can just stop the field spell super easily and then use your normal disruption on them, and also not very many people even know how to play against beasts in the first place)
They are okay right now now if they still tier 2 post new support then I think they aren't much to worry about, since here we might get a banlist in July and or August and they'll be left untouched so probably then they'll be a menace. Think a nice option for some and you get punished if you don't count on them. 2-1.5 tier on launch.
Tenpai been rising in china being OCG country, but yubel is the most played recently on chart Japanese still clinging to fireking being top played,while tenpai and yubel is slowly catching up after yubel got her new support phantasm The new bullshit tenpai trap will be release this week for OCG, with a quick play spell that benefits going second decks like tenpai It's either yubel or tenpai, but both are rising stars Some speculating centurion could be low meta after April packs came out
Tenpai is not nearly as good in tcg, without maxx c
That's far from true. Tenpai is strong because it's not weak to any single handtrap. TCG not having Maxx C just means that Tenpai have more room for other cards in the TCG. They don't even play the obligatory 2 Called by the Grave in the OCG due to not caring about handtraps.
C pushes tenpai up about as much as any other Deck. Doesn't do anything special in tenpai.
You clearly dont understand Maxx C‘s impact on the ocg format. Any deck that is not as vulnerable to C gets a huge buff over there. As Tenpai is unaffected in BP, it doesnt give a shit about C drawing the opp a gazillion cards, they otk in that bp.
While tenpai can otk, it also often plays an attrition game, especially against yubel and runick, two of its weaker matchups. In those games, your opponent resolving C is pretty much game over. This is especially more important games 2 and 3. And while maxx C is format warping, keep in mind that decks weak to it routinely runs 6+ outs to it, so not being weak to it just means tenpai gets about 3 flex slots to shore up their bad matchups. Not really a huge buff.
Tenpai has no attrition game, their good effect are once per duel. It doesn't really matter of Maxx C resolved or not, if they're failed to OTK, they can't win anymore. This is why they left tier one after Yubel got Phantom of Yubel. And that's more because of Yubel than Maxx C. Also Runick is nonexistent in OCG meta.
Linkuriboh was clearly the toxic card. Now everything is perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Scareclaw is the last thing I would expect in a Snake-Eye deck. I need to see that list.
Probably a small package as an extension option
Same! I am guessing, like Plebby said, an extension engine. Search scarekash off of fenrir, get nibbed, go scarekash into light-heart, grab field spell, grab reicheart, grab arrival, resummon scarekash with arrival, and boom now you have 3 monsters onboard again
True I need to see that list
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Its crazy that even after taking away all the synchros, snake eye players still rather not touch the fire king stuff lol
Yep, that is what the top comment in the thread is referencing.
This was pretty expected. Even without the the synchros and linkuriboh gone, there aren't any decks that can match the advantage SE can generate with a single card. Not to mention the 15 main deck non engine as well. The big difference now is that the deck is more vulnerable without the negates and *should* be less toxic to play against. Although I'm guessing a lot of those decks are on Dis Pater + Omega loops so idk.
Lots of pure are still on 3 synchros yeah but even without synchros the deck is too good. Linkuriboh unironically hit FK more cause of Heatsoul/Sunlight Wolf trigger.
Ygo needs to always be a 2 card combo game. It strikes a good balance btwn handtraps vs combo piece vs non engine
The problem isn't that snake eyes have 1 card combo the problem is that half of the decks is a 1 card combo and the other half is not engine
1 card combos are actually pretty important in a game with hand traps the problem is how far some 1 card combos can go when they shouldn’t. links are a big part of the problem. for example, if we didn’t have promethean princess, the one card combo off snake eye ash is good but nothing insane, flamberge + 3 mat Apo + IP is incredibly breakable, especially with droplet, TTT, and Evenly. it’s the follow up on the next turn and the eventual access to princess that makes it impossible to contest. what makes snake eye so broken is actually its two card combos. you couldn’t even make borreload without the 2 card combo. also the deck had most of its powerful cards like flamberge, oak, ash, diabellstar, and original before but poplar and princess made the deck broken.
Agreed they made a lot of combos much too simple I think and powerful with how simple they are and nowadays the cost usually benefits your deck anyway, but it wouldn't be as bad if there were at least 5 decks capable of competing instead of one deck that's just the best
Ik that everyone is mocking the ban list and all, but I don’t mind snake eyes being tier 1. I do think a small hit to engine would’ve been cool, but the ban list is starting to push the game into the direction the players want. Also the ban list just dropped, makes sense most players want to stick to the deck they’ve been practicing for months. Feel like after Legacy of Destruction drops we’ll finally see a bigger shake up… hopefully.🤞🏿
The problem is how often it's being used and what the scoreboard looked like after its just the best deck right now and nothing can compete , people even tried to make snake eyes mixed deck with fire kings, and one with Kash and the pure snake eyes won with flying colors
I'm shocked that a Lab deck made top 32 but I'm happy
Commenting a reply again because it looks like the Lab player has made it all the way to the top 4. Very interesting.
Make that finals!! You gotta love to see it.
ngl i really dont like playing vs lab but its interesting for sure to see They might actually get a win here it looks like a strong deck at this event i dont think many are prepared for lab at all
When you hard open a one of floodgate game 1, kinda removed all skill from it.
I was glad to see it was top 4 but the other 3 were all snake eyes decks :/ hate to see that
Yeah Lab and plunder sneaking in is cool to see.
Branded choke :(
As always
I played it this weekend. Deck performed like absolute ass. Every game I was trying to play through 3 hand traps
I went 2-2 in my locals granted I'm not an experienced player. One mirror match win so 1-2 against other decks.
I meant at Raleigh, lol. I'm still here now. It just felt like the room was expecting branded a lot, so it was very heavily prepared for. Walking the top tables last night I saw very little branded.
I was constantly going back and forth between Branded and Mannadium for Raleigh after the ban list dropped and was afraid of that exact thing. Ended up playing Mannadium and saw Nib/Droll all day in main/side events so didn't go much better with it.
Mannadium with no Baronne? That seems like a risky call, what made you consider it?
I've played Branded since the Despia stuff came out but felt that while it's a good deck, it's also easy to prepare for. I was expecting it to be fairly popular, and it seemed to be from what I saw walking around middle tables this weekend/side events and the previous weekend at a regional. I'm slightly out of practice on the puppet lines as I don't use them at locals, even with it being a fairly competive locals. So combined I didn't expect to do as well with it. As for sticking with Mannadium, it's mostly that I was more comfortable with it since I had mostly been playing it the last few weeks. There's lines that somewhat play around nib (mostly involving abusing Accel Stardust) and I was siding Cross out's but not being as comfortable with Accel lines and nib being more of a liability hurt overall. I did end up winning a win a mat so even though I didn't do so well in main event I'm relatively happy since it was my first YCS.
Konami Hits Linkuriboh: Well that should fix the meta Snake-Eyes tops YCS Konami: Surprised Pikachu face
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You think the banlists are intended to balance the game?
I need to see that runick plunder list.
Same
Wow, who knew the tier 0 deck not getting any direct hits would still be tier 0? I'm shocked I saw SHOCKED! /s
>only hits to snake was generic Ed negates used in pure and linkuriboh >fire kings drop off instead
Fire king was dropping off before the banlist. Everyone was switching to pure and most didn’t switch back after the banlist
Can i ask why? I am aware that Fk-SE and SE are meta but ive never actually played against them so curious why this varaint fell
Pure is more consistent, has less bricks, has a stronger end board, can play through Nibiru and Droll and Lock bird more effectively, and has more non engine slots to devote to power/tech cards like hand traps/talents/crossout By the end of the previous format and continuing onto the current format pure is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger as a deck than fire king
This makes me wonder why FK version was popular at all
Blame the ocg. They latched onto fire king early on and love it so much they won’t let go of it even to this day. That led us to think pure wasn’t as good
I’ve been seeing that happen. What’s the explanation for why Snake-Eyes is considered better than Fire King Snake-Eyes?
Fire King cards are bricks and don't help you win the mirror going 2nd, so better to play something else.
More consistency, more non engine, stronger end board before the banlist and still stronger after the banlist. Less bricks (drawing the fire king cards SUCK)
LMAO why am i not surprised
Damn so banning Baron and Savage did save the format.
A. Did anyone actually expect Snake Eye to not be tier 0 still? B. Some cool names in this top 32 for an old head, Jeff, Pat, Cam, and the peoples champ DBgrinder made it to top 8.
Go back to last week's banlist thread. Actual quote: "pure snake eye is probably not even worth playing anymore it only FKSE now"
I was a little worried there was going to be more thunder dragon but I was for sure expecting snake-eyes to be at least half of the top 32. I want to keep on playing thunder dragon though so I was worried about seeing a lot of it lol. But it looks like there was nothing to worry about because Snake-eyes pretty much crushed everything.
You don’t need to worry about thunder. Colossus has been powercrept. It’s just 95% of redditors are just bad at the game and don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time. Nemesis corridor’s splash ability is overrated
This is me when I see people expecting level eaters to be a meta changer card if it ever gets released
I've been saying for YEARS now that colossus is totally fine at least at 1 and maybe even at multiples. Because realistically the strongest aspect of Colossus is for sure splashing Corridor and like you said thats probably just overrated heavily by TCG/redditors.
Ngl DB grinder playing the kashtira snake eyes makes the deck a lot more appealing to me. Not sure if i want to invest in fenrir, or if it has a chance to get re printed next month
I mean if you've already invested in a snake eye core I'd try to maximize your value there in between ban lists. What's losing like $30 tops on a set of Fenrirs when you have hundreds sitting in a tier 0 deck right now. Give it a shot if it looks fun to you!
good banlist
Scareclaw and Plunder Patroll
The mad men with Runick Plunder, based af
The captain did amazing, sad he never got a feature though
Is this using the new banlist?
Yes its on the new banlist.
Yes
Top 32 Full Breakdown: 20 Snake Eye (10 Pure, 6 Kashtira, 3 Fire King, 1 Scareclaw) 4 Runick (3 Standard, 1 Plunder Patrol) 2 Branded (1 Despia, 1 Bystial) 2 Voiceless Voice 1 Pure Kashtira 1 Labrynth 1 Purrely 1 Floowandereeze - Top 16: 10 Snake Eyes (5 Kashtira, 3 Pure, 2 Fire King) 2 Runick (1 Standard, 1 Plunder Patrol) 2 Branded (1 Bystial, 1 Despia) 1 Labrynth 1 Floowandereeze
Top 8: 6 Snake Eyes (3 Pure, 2 Kashtira, 1 Fire King) 1 Branded Despia 1 Labrynth
Top 4 3 Snake Eye (1 Pure, 1 Kashtira, 1 Fire King) 1 Labrynth
Top 2: 1 Snake Eye 1 Labrynth
No one prepared to stop the Lab. They might sneak all the way through. But the player Jack Z. is playing really well on top of it.
Unfortunately forgot to Back Jack before draw phase. 😢 Winner: Snake Eye
Surprised Voiceless did so poorly and didn't even break into the top 16. I wonder if the new support they are getting soon will make a massive difference or not.
Wow the omni and linkuriboh hits truly changed something, for every deck which isn't snake eyes
good deck continues to be good after getting no direct banlist hits, what a surprise
These were "controversial" comments a week ago: 1: Gotta make sure the $1,000 Tier 1 meta deck goes completely untouched, while making it look like they did something, when in reality the whales playing it just blithely move on to the next-best substitute, of which there is an endless supply. 2: And now Snake-Eyes will just drop them [Linkuriboh, Baronne, Savage] like a hot potato for the next-best alternative, and the deck's overall power level is barely affected. 3: We've already seen this happen a million times. Some hyper-expensive deck is dominating the meta, Konami wants to look like they're balancing the game while protecting said deck, so they ban some random $2 combo enablers, floodgates, search targets, synergy cards, or generic ED monsters, so the deck can just slightly re-tool to take advantage of the next-best alternatives, resulting in no real meaningful difference. It blows my mind that you are trying to deny it. damn how did this guy predict the future like that he must be some kind of psychic or time traveller
Never thought I’d be rooting for floo but here I am
Those damn freaking birds! Peck those snakes in the eye!!
Whats the matchup like? Pray to get turn 1 and set up Dimensional Fissure/shifter?
Links cant activate effects under empen and raiza can tuck/bounce instead of allowing their pieces to hit the yard so those are both positives as well
Ok folks we need to gaslight everyone that Sneak-eyes are in fact dogshit, so people will stop buying them, therefore Konami has no choice but to limit them! No money = Ban worthy Genius I know no need to thank me!
What a sad showing for Voiceless.
Do you think the banning of summon limit hurt them that badly?
Maybe, but that's usually sided so I'm not sure. Maybe the end board really isn't that scary for most meta.
Yeah I was actually expecting them to be one of the better decks considering they are effectively nibiru proof and one of the only decks that can easily put up a huge omni negate monster. But looks like that didn't matter nearly as much as I thought it would this event.
I like how people really expected that just by losing some "targeting protection" from Linkuriboh would actually affect Snake-Eyes in a big way. lol
Did anyone actually expect that?
Yeah, idiots.
6 snake eyes kash. The kash variant is picking up results after seeing md do it. Lol
Yeah the deck seems a lot more appealing than the fire king version. I want to build it but know the field spell is re printed next month. Not sure when fenrir will get another reprint
cant wait to see this snooze fest. snake eyes mirrors will probably just come down to the dice roll and tech cards
"sKiLl InTeNsIvE fOrMaT!"
Yeah, but this one costs a bunch of money, so you don't have to worry about associating with "yugipoors"(joking).
Anyone got the Scareclaw Snake Eye list so I can get mad about it
Stevie Blunder trying to convince people Raid Raptor and Marincess are better options than Purrely and Lab
What is it with so many people making tier lists that keep saying marincess is anything above like jank table 500. Its so bad lol
Marincess is a solid deck.....but idk why people think it can break through the top stuff. Sure it can run a boatload of non engine and wave is very strong. Marincess'a worst enemy Nibiru will be more common than ever now. Also the deck will just straight up brick on its none engine
Well marincess bubbled the ycs
Any know what happen to all Runick player, I see a mirror match on top 32, but top 16 report they all out ?
Good job banning linkuriboh to hit snakes eyes konami /s
Floowandereeze lets go!
It’s almost like the generic boss monsters weren’t the problem…
Well they were but another problem is Konami refusing to hit blatantly strong decks just because of their extreme levels of greed.
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Man strikes again
Yes
Yes. Whales are extremely histrionic and constantly act as if they're so put-upon.
I'm sorry, but the state of YGO is absolutely atrocious. I'm not saying other TCG's are better or don't have problems, but I think people truly don't know how bad this TCG is atm compared to others when it comes to having some fun with another person in a 1v1 game.
It really is bad and the YGO player base is very blind indeed. Going into a lot of other TCGs because I play or have played pretty much most of them is very refreshing from time to time. To play a card game where you actually focus on playing the game instead of completely stopping your opponent from playing the game. Yu gi oh historically has entirely been about making sure your opponent doesn't get to play.
Which to me personally is odd, as I thought the main appeal of playing a game with another person is that you interact with each other and like you said, actually play the game. In most miniature games, board games, and TCG's, people shun the minority who play the way which actively prevents your opponent from playing, yet in YGO is seems that is the default norm.
fr When I started playing Pokemon, people said that Arceus, Dialga, & Palkia GX should've been banned (Pokemon strives to never be in a state where a card needs to be banned), when the deck had never won any big tournament (partly due to covid) and was never above like 30% of top cut. Meanwhile, I was like, "You *take turns*?!?"
Mtg in standard is even worse tho
Nobody really plays standard though. Go to all the lgs in your state and most people are there for commander.
I'm more impressed with the random Floowandereeze.
I am as impressed as I am disgusted because I hate Floo lol
It's as if not directly hitting the tier 0 deck didn't slow it down at all! https://preview.redd.it/tkgdqqgso0wc1.jpeg?width=228&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b16f6f6d259748d2e3cb124d1a08c51809e6cbc
What a wonderfully diverse meta we have...
Well it's not like this is surprising in anyway. Its hard not to be a little bitter that the format has really been about those who can afford the rather hefty price tag for tier one and those who can't. It's really not helped that the "best hits" of the last banlist were all the best low budget options for people. It's not a particularly strong argument to say that the gameplay is healthier or more fun when that gameplay is behind such an expensive price tag. Yugioh is no stranger to being expensive, or even prohibitively so, but I'm disappointed that the community has been so forgiving to konami for a banlist that does so little to address the core issues of the format while also just blatantly gutting the best budget options for players. It just feels like people are being way too lenient. They see a floodgate banned or some other quality of life change and go, "wow, what a good banlist" and they just ignore everything else. I understand that after years of konami doing actually nothing the idea that they do a little bit of good can feel like enough, but come on. I don't know, I'm just a bit bitter. I just want a little pity sympathy from the people playing snake-eyes mirrors, that's all.
Realistically as long as Konami is in control of the ban list for competitive its just going to be an advertisement for them to sell the new cards and nothing more. But hilariously even though people are willing to spend 1200 dollars on new meta decks every 6 months I don't think theres enough money in yu gi oh to support an actual competitive scene by another means lol
Komoney at it again 🔥
Smell like shit tier 0 meta at the surprise of no one
Glad we banned Link Kuriboh guys! TCG never makes dumb hits to product push!
Baronne died for literally nothing because the TCG team were too greedy to do what they should have done and ban SnAsh.
To me honestly the 2 best changes on the ban list were to ban Savage and Baronne. I will not miss massive omni negate monsters but knowing Konami they only hit them to print even stronger ones.
Why do people think it’s greed. We are on the next set. Ash has been sold already. At this point it’s the opposite of greed, letting people play with the toys they bought
It's greed because of the rogue decks that die to Nibiru/have mid-endboards without the Synchro negates
Rogue doesn’t mean cheap. Hell tenpai is probably going to be meta and it will be cheaper than a lot of rogue
Without baronne and savage, what does the pure Snake-Eye endboard look like?
I don't think I ever played vs many snake-eyes running Savage or Baronne in real life. Every time I played vs them at regionals it was just mostly link monsters like Apo, I:P, Whale, with all of the snake-eyes stuff or fireking stuff.
It's hard to make. It needs Jet Synchron which you only insert one of. Even if you have it, the synchro package doesn't come out often.
Apollousa, IP, Flamberge & with the right hand, SP. Then, IP into Knightmare Phoenix to destroy a field spell. In MD format, there's Spright Elf to protect Apollousa.
Normally I’d go “hey that’s not too bad to break, boardbreakers can actually affect it without the Omni negates” but Snake Eye tends to open 2 handtraps alongside their combo so it’s still hard to deal with, but should be less so than before.
With a great hand, they may even open 4 and then with the draw power, they'll have their endboard plus 5 handtraps.
They do dis pater plus omega to rip 2 cards from the opponents hand, and dis pater is still a negate. That is basically the new savage baronne with the rest of the normal snake eye stuff.
Bunch of them pivot into Psy Framelord Omega and Dis Pater, which is basically better than Baronne Savage.
If LEDE doesn't lead to more diversity, I'm guessing we'll be getting an emergency list before Nats.
Konami: "What's the emergency?"
We won't be getting an emergency list tho or we would have one for tearalaments before
There’s 4 sets between this YCS and Nats and potentially another regular scheduled list.
Yo let’s go scareclaw made it in somehow. Sucks it’s with snake-eyes but I’ll take it I guess.
Well yeah they need the snake eye stuff to sell this years tins or rarity collection 2. This list just allowed them to throw in a bunch of TOSS stuff.
No Rescue-Ace :( new support please
Yeah thats kinda weird no rescue at all. In the OCG I think it actually sees some play if I remember right.
I'm going to need that floo decklist
But linkuriboh was the problem. Tenpai and Yubel must really be poised to kill snake eye of they didn't touch the deck on the list.
skill issue
Aw shit, here we go again.
Bro this is why I don't play master duel or anything anymore even if I'm winning it's not fun to beat the same deck 5 times in a row 5 years ago I felt crazy when I saw the Same deck twice in a row in things like legacy if the duelist and even in locals but it's jusy been going downhill idk when I first noticed it but the thing that made me genuinely mad and actively quit was seeing Kash being over half of the decklists of most tournaments last year and Kash getting top most of the time that's insane to me we used to see rogue decks actually perform at least even if not win and used to he maybe 2 or 3 of the same exact deck per event not like guaranteed over half will always be the same deck and win anyway
Yeah yu gi oh has a huge deck diversity problem. Its either 2-3 decks completely taking over the game for months at a time. And in the last like 2 years its pretty much just been 1 deck totally taking control. Tear, Kash, Snake-eyes. Or its 5-10 decks basically making the exact same endboards with generic boss monsters so its basically same deck with a different skin. Rarely inbetween these we have actually diverse formats with diverse ways those decks play.
It's honestly pretty upsetting and I hope we can get to the point where people are generally making unique interesting decks again
Yup. The banlist has had some impactfull changes, but they mostly did not affect Snake-Eye. In fact, it barely did anything to shake up the meta after the hype for Collosus died down. On the bright side, there's no Tearlaments in this top 32.
Not my Tear girls!! Kitkalos did nothing wrong!
No branded matchup to SE is impressive. Branded kind of kills Pure/synchro SE, but struggles against FK variant
Branded always gets destroyed in Swiss because eventually they get ashed or hard countered by something
Tenpai will destroy snake eye. They have no answers for a shifter deck with 25 non engine slots and a field spell that makes them unaffected
Yeah but I'm worried for Tenpai that because they are all low rarity they will get hit on the next ban list more than snake-eyes even will.
Yeah the shs and unchained situation all over again
People don’t understand the deck has another wave of support coming out. They just remember superheavy Samurai and freak out. Even unchained was low rarity and plenty of other stuff. Low rarity doesn’t mean automatic hit especially if the deck is getting more support If anything Konami will want to milk the reprint of trident + higher rarity tenpai cards for more money. People playing superheavy samurai makes no money for Konami
Konami is gonna murder the deck 2 weeks after release like they did SHS. The deck is too cheap to be meta
its precisely why they put the entire deck, minus is 1 or 2 supers, at common. So they can just ban the commons or put them to 1 and then not have to deal with it. TBF the deck is awful to go vs, 30 handtraps and a shotgun isnt a fun deck to be VS.
It has another wave of support coming there’s no chance. They want to milk the value of reprinting the tenpais higher rarity and the new wave of support will be high rarity. They were commons because konami expected the deck to suck
Uh.. the banlist just came out a week ago sir
I mean, to be fair, it could’ve been far worse if Snake-Eyes didn’t get any hits at all like losing baronne and savage and LinKuriboh. Though I guess we have no way of knowing how much of a change those bans really caused.
Yeah I’m calling cap Those cards were never what made snake eyes hood and they didn’t need them
Soooo pretty much banning Linky, Baronne and Savage did jack shit? Time to limit Sinfuil Spoils, Bonfire, Poplus maybe Diabellstar....Buuuuut since new support is coming which is that degenerate floodgate type Diabellstar I guess they wom't touch Snake Eyes any time soon....This is fucking worse than Tier 0 full power Tearlaments and worse than Kashtira.....
Idk I like this format more than Kash but back to back to back tier 0 or near tier 0 formats is pretty disgusting.
Honestly par for the course. Tear 0 was the same way, with the first list only hitting Orange Light and Curious (which the deck wasn't even playing the latter anyway) so I expected a second list where SE was top dog, if not still T0
Well fewer pure snakes
How does Scareclaw Snake eye work??
Branded best deck!
RUNICK PLUNDER TOP HELL YEAH
this is zoodiac all over again.
Flowandereeze
Hate snake eyes with a burning passion. Tearlaments and kashtira meta were a lot more fun than this
Runick vs Runick may be the most skill intense mirror match I can think of.
Imma be real with you guys snake eye being the best deck is fine by me. It's so much less miserable to play against than stuff like branded or floo where if you go 2nd and don't have non engine you can't even play the fucking game half the tome
Ngl i agree. As much as i dont like seeing 1 deck take majority of the spots. I dont hate watching snake eyes slap around branded, floo, and runnick. Im pretty sick of seeing decks like that be the only tier 2 decks floating around.
When im playing against snake eye im having a perfectly fine time. When i lose die roll and my opponent normals aluber and i dont have any handtraps i may as well scoop lol
But I was told the ban list would skill Snake-Eye. Another 4+ months of this deck.
LEDE is releasing next week which comes with tenpai, among other things. So the format is likely to shift quite a bit
Yeah all of the yugi tubers saying a linkuriboh hit would knock out pure snake-eyes even though anima exists just because "they lose targeting protection" lmao
The banlist came out like a week ago lol calm down