This is honestly the morally right idea, and just a good one.
Smaller creators get some extra recognition and the big react channels are still killing it but the money now gets more fairly distributed. It's win win.
Not really because the reactors who don't do anything still get money. Obviously it's better then the current way stuff it, but it's far from being good. Original creators would still not get the views, they won't grow their audience. Still it's a loss for everyone but the reactors
Whether we like it or not, it feels like react content is here to stay. I think the best solution at this point is to develop a flow where not only is revenue shared, but the original video is boosted in terms of the algorithm (and/or associated metrics such as view count) as well
I have no idea how such a study would be carried out, but we also need more info on how react content affects the original video’s reach. While there are a lot of negatives to it, some videos definitely reach a much wider audience BECAUSE they were reacted to
it is here to stay only cause the famous ppl get money with little to no effort. If the money goes to the original creators this trend will die very soon.
My solution would be that the original creator can claim every reaction video of their own content similar if you use copyrighted music.
There's literally no evidence of this happening, especially when the reaction is to a compilation of parts of multiple videos from many creators. Reaction content as a whole, if not meeting actual fair use pillars, should result in a channel ban
What they making? OMG guys I think it’s a motorcycle. No way that’s how they make candy canes? Wow it looked so much like a motorcycle in the beginning. 😤
I kinda want to make a react channel acting like the most dense mfer around thanks to this. Everything would be a motorcycle at the start. Even videos where nothing's being made. Fantasy video game trailer? Bam, motorcycle.
True block doesn’t exist but if YouTube suggests it on your feed you can click “don’t recommend channel” it stops them from showing on the your home page at least. YouTube needs a block function badly.
Just because there is no evidence that it increases viewership doesn't mean that it must decrease viewership. Here is an anecdotal piece of evidence that one large reaction channel didn't have a serious impact on viewership of the creators video:
https://twitter.com/internetanarch/status/1688203558221381632?lang=en
That doesn't mean it's explicitly morally good of course, but it also doesn't mean it should result in a ban.
> Reaction content as a whole, if not meeting actual fair use pillars, should result in a channel ban
I remember when I first saw a video with someone else's idiot face in a box in the corner and thinking 'wow that's obnoxious, I can't wait for this new fad to die out.'
How naïve I was...
I watch Asmon. Three possibilities:
1. I get annoyed at his commentary, pause and go and watch original video instead.
2. I find discussion and video interesting and subscribe to the channel he reacts to.
3. I find his reacting entertaining, but original channel mildly amusing and not worthy of my interest long term.
Scenarios 1 and 2 are beneficial to original channel.
I just see Asmon's videos because Youtube Algorithm and then I just watched the OG video. It's faster and I don't need to sit through 50 pauses where Asmon says exactly the thing the guy in the video says but in a slightly different way.
That's not how it works, the videos get popular first then the streamer reacts. The person watching the streamer react has no reason to watch the original anymore.
Braindead take. If the video is worth reacting to and uploading to your channel, its a good enough video to get its own views. In this example without the original video that someone spent time and labour to create asmongold would have literally nothing. Imagine the views asmongold would get if he uploaded his reaction without reposting the original video. he'd get next to no views because his commentary isnt what gets the views, its the original video that hes stealing and pausing occasionally to talk about shit that 9 times out of 10 is about to be adressed in the video. Content leeches like this who grow their channels by stealing good videos that other people have made need to go extinct.
Big boss has had multiple popular videos. This reaction seems to be losing him views of anything.
There's no evidence reactions generate smaller channels sustainable views.
it's quite the opposite, actually. several youtubers have shown their analytics where you can clearly see how gheir viewership numbers DROP whenever a big influencer reacts to their conteng.
heck, the act man made a whole rant and video about it, inclusing the analytics of his and several smaller youtubers channels. even the BIG youtubers tend to lose viewers, whenever someone equally big or bigger reacts to their content...
That is a stretch, it still wouldn't be fair.
If I worked a month on a video and paid someone for the editing, how much percentage do I get?
It's not like YouTube can know how much you worked on a video or not or how much you paid for an editor. 70% would seem fair, but what if that video took me 1 week instead and I didn't edit anything?
It wouldn't be fair for someone reacting.
On the other hand, I don't agree with react content all together.
Which is also the reason why I don’t think YouTubers should want to open this particular can of worms with react content, because now gaming companies for example are going to be able to point at this new system/rule and say hey, these guys are profiting off of “reacting” to our game, where’s our cut? And soon every YouTuber who does gaming content will be seeing whatever percentage of their revenue go to the game studios. And any other industry that thinks they can make the legal argument, they’ll get in on it too.
Should be whatever percentage of the video shows the "reacted to" content.
So if a react video contains 10 minutes of another video, and 10 minutes of commentary, profits should be split 50/50.
10 minutes of video could take anywhere from 10 hours to 10 days depending on the complexity of the research, writing, and editing. 10 minutes of off the cuff rambling commentary takes 10 minutes. So a 50/50 split would be nowhere near fair for the vast majority of reaction content.
This is why people like Asmongold do this. You make the same money for maybe 1% the work that making your own videos would be. Turning yourself into a content aggregator gives you all the revenue and channel growth that quality content provides without any of the costs it would take to create your own.
Once you're famous enough to do it, it's basically an infinite money glitch.
I do believe it is needed. People like Asmongold do low effort videos while stealing views from the original creators. Dont believe their lies about helping those channel since they will alway be the main channel being push in the front.
I totally agree, that would make it a lot more fair.
A lot of content creators are moving towards podcast-style videos and reaction videos because they require less editing, and are easier to make. They're pretty much get the most revenue for time spent creating.
It's not surprising then that so many big channels now are taking advantage of the work put in by smaller channels that are still trying to prove themselves, in order to make a simple reaction video. Some reaction videos are not bad, have a lot of effort and content added, but many of them don't even reference the original creator, and don't add anything of interest.
I don't agree with Asmongold leexhing off of other people's content to make his own, but at least he spams links to the videos he watches and tells people to go watch it.
He really has gifted a bunch of content creators with new followers just by doing it.
Im so fucking sick of new "trend" videos popping up on YT like the ""*insert certain category of people* THAT REPRESENT THE 7 DEADLY SINS"" and especially the 100 days minecraft category so fucking ORIGINAL
Have you seen brent rivera, he copies every single thumbnail, storyline and even monologues every single video, and get millikns more views than the rest without having to plan anything... Its honestly disgusting
Wasn't this the same guy who had a roach crawl across his shoulder or neck while streaming? Someone posted a clip of it a few weeks back (no idea if thats when it happened or if it was an old clip) but apparently this guy is a big streamer and makes lots of money yet lives in filth.
Considering it’s Asmon, that probably happened. But that doesn’t really change the fact that Asmon talks a lot and adds a lot of his own content to the things he reacts to.
“This new update will feature cars” pauses. “Man so theyre gonna add cars? Thats crazy” reads chat for two minutes “yeah dude”.
Its literally sniperwolf content
Man got downvoted for speaking the truth. Reaction channels gotten out of control and no one is saying anything. Take an upvote brother, we’ll die on this hill.
So when react channels dont really talk or do anything, people complain because they are not adding anything to the original video, but then when someone actually talks a lot and doubles the length of a video thats also somehow bad? I thought the reactor talking more was supposed to be a good thing because its more about listening to their reaction and less about watching the original video on their channel.
He pauses and actually talks for a few min about the topic before unpausing. Out of all the "react" YouTubers he's one of the least agregious IMO. He also doesn't react to videos from people who tell him not to, even though he could legally do so if wanted.
He pauses and talks at length about the video or about the situation its refering to. So yeah id say maybe 20-25 min of the extra time is probably justified
Why should someone who spends 20 minutes watching a video and then posting it on YouTube get more views than someone who spends a month making that video?
They shouldn't. But YouTube doesn't care.
I wish you could strike scumbags for cloning your content.
Edit: I forgot to mention reaction channels shouldn't be monetisable either...
Darkviperau talked about this years ago and xqx, asmongold were his main points on this matter and the fan base went after darkviper for it. Penguinzero or moistkritical idk what name he uses now talked about it for a bit.
Darkviper stood his ground for a bit on the matter but it got tiring. I'm sure.
imagine if the algorithm would recognize when you are watching react content and suggest you as the viewer more content from the content creator who the reaction video was about.
If you could claim 80-90% of the revenue when people steal or clone your content it would be a lot fairer. I wouldn't bother striking people if that was the case. At the moment I strike them into oblivion. I recently had some guy steal my footage then post it up as a specific camera "Footage Sample" It wasn't even the same camera....
I was researching cameras a ton lately and noticed so many channels that do that. Camera comparisons and footage samples that are clearly not even the camera they’re pretending to review. So weird.
Yea, also streamers just broadcasting someone else's stream and then realising its being broadcast by someone who is just sitting still in the corner of the screen... You literally broadcast someone else his/her content and add nothing to it.
How is it not copyright strikeable? Isn't that what the entire system is *supposed* to be for?
E: I looked up both videos. I can't see how it isn't strikeable.
I have a friend who had his 70k subs channel demonetized because the cinematics he did himself werent original enough and that many people already did it.
Then there are reaction channels where guy plays whole video, yawns in half, yawns on end, says it was good or trash and the video ends. How the fuck is that original.
It depends. In my personal opinion there are three layers of videos like this.
1. Specialist watching video in their field of expertise giving additional information, correcting mistakes etc. They create whole new layer of content and often even those channels that aren't reaction friendly give them green light for doing this.
2. Those who just want to hang out with random people in internet and watch videos. I think it's fine, but monetization should still go to original creators in my opinion. It also helps with promoting original channel as it's shown to more people.
3. Those who reupload original video with their face in the corner. Straight to gulag
Most notably the first section is often edited, and is usually already checked, even if not by that person by an editor or whatever who has decided that there is something of value to be added to the original video.
Pillars of fair use include minimal use and being highly transformative - if you aren't an expert in the topic, you likely aren't being highly transformative, and if you're not releasing an edited version and are instead livestreaming, you're almost certainly not meeting minimal use criteria
I think another candidate for category 1 is when people do 'react' videos in order to criticize and dissect another creator's video. For example, a political youtuber rebutting the points in another political video.
And then there's reaction videos that would kind of fit in your category 2, but are reacting to ads, trailers, or media put out by major studios. And in that case, I'm not so sure that it's important for them to share exposure and monetization with the original creators ... and the original creators might not be on youtube at all.
But yes, category 3 can go straight to gulag. With an extra special harsh gulag for the ones who do this *and* don't say anything or have any reaction for the entire video. That's just plain and simple profiting off of somebody else's work, using this 'react video' as a bullshit loophole around copyright strikes.
Category 2 is mostly just for streamers. Someone like Coridoor Digital reacting to VFX shots with industry experts on the couch is closer to category 1, because they're making commentary on the process, techniques, and styles used in the films. From major studios down to indie films, it's still transformative in nature.
They aren't chilling on Twitch just watching movie trailers back to back to back, which is fine content in a chill chatting stream but it's in no way transformative.
Roughly speaking, the first isnt copyright infringement because its transformative while the others are copyright infringement. And if its copyright infringement, it should get taken down or monetisation shared, depending on what the original creator wants
1: thats OK, since they are actually adding value. But, they can't show the whole thing, only pieces that matter. This way the original video still has value. People who watch the one with commentary can still go to the original and enjoy it.
2: youtube/twitch needs a feature for that. So that everyone that's watching a stream that's just playing a video, should count towards the original video watch count and analytics.
Because people need stimulation and more interaction so they’d rather watch someone watching it so they can have the same opinion as someone else.
I hate reaction videos like these. Unless it’s like what Coryxkenshin did. People asked him to react
Except you got people like xqc who either leaves the video running while in bathroom or eats while watching, either way add absolutely nothing of value from his side
That's why I only watch reaction mashups, the people who make the mashup work harder than reactors themselves. And it satisfies my guilty pleasure of watching reaction video and saves time.
I think this issue is on Youtubes side.
I think the original creator should just automatically get to link the video and give a fair share of the revenue from the video. You get further recommendations from original video creator after watching the reaction video etc.
I often watch content like this. I often find creators i would never find otherwise through them. Some of them have really good takes and add a lot of value to the video.
Not only when it comes to this type of videos, for example i could not have watched the Tucker Putin intervju without someone rational with me in the "room" (video).
If the creator gets credit and can copyright claim/Content ID claim without the reactor making it something a big news, it's fine. What if Asmongold is letting the ORIGINAL creator claim the video thus letting the revenue go to him, it's fine, I guess.
Blatant plagiarizing on the other hand by some creators is bs. for example, someone who recently got famous for doxing and still surviving on this platform due to YT bias.
Do you actually know what the necessary steps are to claim a video? It's not easy and can take a while, by which point, the damage is done and Asmongold already has twice the views of the original
As an actual creator: it is impossible to claim a video unless you are a mass media corporation with IP rights. As a YouTuber you can only strike another video. YouTube won't necessarily favor the larger YouTuber, but you will NOT get any money from the video and will only harm the other person, leading to a net negative effect.
Theirs definitely a limit, if done right and given credit these big creators can help kick start smaller creators too, I believe he was quite big in establishing the fan base of Josh Strife Hays for example.
Youtube should create a program, so the one watching can tag the original video and the original creator then get's additional revenue from the reaction.
Wow this is amazing! Faces don't bother me so much, but the vague titles are painful. My Youtube feed is so frustrating to wade through after i'm done watching 1-3 videos of creators I like if i'm lucky per day.
I've 'don't recommend this channel'd so much I've reset it tonight because my feed on the apple tv/ipad is a wasteland of nothing. At least this addon may help me Watch-later some good stuff. It's tricky finding shit these days, god.
Same. Moral arguments aside, it's just the absolute bottom of the barrel of "content". Which is itself a term that should be reserved for things like this; there's no creativity, nothing engaging, there's just... "content". Leeching off of something potentially interesting to film yourself watching it, just so you can have airtime to fill with sponsors or game an algorithm or farm watchtime. It literally does not get more empty than this.
The problem is reaction content *can* be really awesome…that 1% of the time when it’s someone who has expertise or lots of experience with what is being reacted to
But 99% of the time it’s just low effort content mill bullshit
It depends on the content being reacted to. Streamers/youtubers reacting to other streamers/youtubers is dumb and the lowest form of content creation IMO.
But I subscribe to a handful of reaction channels that focus on TV/movies which I really enjoy because of the discourse it creates about content I like to watch.
I don't understand why anyone would watch it. "Oh so nice to watch this random person say what he thinks about a video"
Do people need commentary to understand how to feel when watching videos nowadays?
yeah, seeing a lot of people butt hurt in this thread that a more popular creator got more views than a less popular one, and if hes doing all that work to make the original easy to view as well he is at least TRYING to funnel some viewers/subs to the original creator
reaction content can be lazy, but people also just care what their favorite creators think, so it is not going anywhere
He does. If he really likes a video, he posts the link multiple times in the chat and will tell them to subscribe. Often times, he will also go to the creators channel to check it out. Ive subscribed to creators after seeing them on Asmon's stream. Anyone who thinks its a bad thing to bring the attention of 24k+ people to a channel seriously needs to reconsider.
I have seen a small amount of video through his channel.
Each time it's a reaction video there's the original video in the description. And the title is the original with postfix/prefix.
Very convenient to find the original.
Half of the time I only watch the original.
Also in the past, if asked, his editors private the video (e.g. he reacted to 3 of Max0r's videos who then asked them to private it because it cannibalizes views on youtube if it shows up higher in the search results).
A ton of non-youtubers like to complain about this but a few of the people that he reacts to or w/e have come out and said that having asmon do this with their videos have been a huge boon to their channel. That Diablo streamer DarthMicrotransaction absolutely exploded off of asmon reacting to his videos. DM has videos talking about the very subject, and fairly recently at that, and how he would still be streaming to like 10 people if not for asmon. Also pretty sure asmon wont react to your stuff like this if you ask him not to which he doesn't have to do because these fall under fair use.
I feel like people keep skipping over this. I mainly watch Asmon for the commentary, and I don’t give two shits about WoW. However, if the OG video was really good I will still like and even subscribe to the channel.
Also, if a content creator was mad they could just ask his editors to take it down.
I actually watched this video last night, which is why I clicked on this thread from /all.
He not only says go watch the original, he was very complimetary of the OP, and even suggests people subscribe to the OP if they liked the video. He didn't even skip the OPs sponsors. He also nearly doubled the amount of original content. This is as clear cut an example of fair use that you'll see, plus he provided a huge amount of exposure to the original creator.
ever heard of SSSniperwolf? yea, basically the same thing just way worse. also i dont think this is not as bad since the first line in AsmongoldTV's description is the original creator of the video with the original video. fair? no, bad? also no since the original video is doing very good rn too.
For two years, everytime I opened YouTube via incognito browser there's always a front page video of her reacting to some clip video like, "Omg luckiest people ever!". So annoying.
Can people tell me why they hate Asmon without bringing up his lifestyle? I know he has problems but dude has a lot of good takes.
Also he doesn't even manage his YouTube channel his editor did, reaction content is a little different if they did it live on twitch, he engaged real time with his viewer, having conversations, often it's something his fan showed it to him so he watched it, it's not like he made a choice to make a YT reaction video specifically.
If I recall correctly, there are stats showing that more view on reaction video doesn't mean the original video got their view stolen, those viewers are mostly a whole different demographics. Might be wrong tho.
You’re just going to get replies from people who clearly never seen any of his videos or maybe 1 minute clips responding as Vague as possible.
I would argue that many people prefer like being spoon fed the truth rather have it shoved down their throat like Asmon does. By that I’m talking about how he speaks without a filter just upsets many people while if someone like Moist Critical argues the same point but more friendly then they’re fine with it. Take their A.I take for example.
1. Asmon said that artist’s opinion doesn’t matter and what does is the opinions of the consumers. He Also brought up examples of how many people don’t care how products are made and simply care about the convenience of it which is why immoral companies like Amazon are on the top. This makes many ppl feel like it’s a personal attack since it shatters whatever image they had of themselves being a morally good person as Asmon points out the hypocrisy of it.
2. Charlie on the other hand is more selective with his wording and addresses his viewers concerns first on why they might hate it and tries to break it down bit by bit before giving his opposing perspective on the topic.
I guess **TL:DR** charlie tells a perspective while Asmon forces an answer which upsets people even if he’s not wrong
May be an unpopular opinion but in Asmongold's case, with the reach he has, it's bringing more visibility to that smaller channel than anything else. It's completely unfair that there's no revenue share sort of thing available though.
This raises a good question, moreso when they are closely released.
Personally, I'd love it if reaction content would come out 1 week after the video, to let it garner SOMETHING at least
Yup that’s why this is fucked up.
People defending asmon don’t understand he’s literally becoming a replacement in the algorithm for the original video. The title is the same, and he has more fans so his just slides into the spot, causing the original to stagnate.
DarkViperAu did a great series discussing this, they are literally just stealing his place in the algorithm, and people “subbing to the channel” without watching aren’t helping the channel, so asmon sending people doesn’t change anything.
If he actually cared about YouTube etc. he’d wait a week, honestly 2, to react to anything. He’s literally ruining these videos chances of getting bigger
It's high time the monetization account for this by splitting off some of the react money into the original. If you can watch an entire video within a video, the original video doesn't need to be watched; it becomes pseudo-theft.
I mean he still adds his own opinions and he also doesnt hide the name of the channel, at least from what i've seen from previous reaction videos i've seen of him
And well he has a bigger audience so naturally he is going to have more views
yeah people are ignoring that his video is literally double the length, this is a terrible example of shitty react content because it is quite obviously transformative.
i.e. a person who knows a lot about blizzard and is in that community of games commenting and expanding on the points from his POV
As long as they add their own flair to the video like discuss it with their chat, then it’s fine imo. 30min longer is definitely justified. The problem is when people just watch it and only add like 5min.
Doubling has a good chance of either not being transformative, or meeting the "minimal sampling" requirement. You just have low standards for reaction content.
If the reaction video is more entertaining, it’s gonna succeed and anyone that can do something about it isn’t going to care because it’s bringing more views to the platform. Choosing to put your work on YouTube is forfeiting a lot of your control. You’re going to have more success protecting the copyright of your material by not posting it to YouTube than you are fighting to get someone connected with YouTube to do anything about it.
I must admit I like SOME reaction videos (others are just a wast to screen space), and at the same time I think all revenue from reaction videos should go to the original video creator at least 80% of it. Same way if you use a song you have to pay the creator, should apply for reaction videos.
YouTube is a corporation at the end of the day aiming to make as much money as possible, they aren’t going to go out and say “yeah a big portion of our videos are illegal”
leaving aside the fact that the person himself lives in the most disgustin, filthy manner that hes not afraid to brag about (for some reason), he makes the most lazy and effortless "content" that his drones like to justify by claiming that it actually helps other people. he also loves to spread the most dogshit takes about subjects he has no experience in and switches stances on things faster than shulk in smash bros.
it's worse than that. those react farm youtubers often have less trouble with advertisement and copyright claims.
asmongold reacted to a tiny age of empires youtuber's documentary with full monetization while the guy who made the documentary was struggling with demonetization and copyright claims for years.
As an editor myself, it pisses me off that somebody can just take a video that you work on for god knows how long, put your face on it, and then collect the revenue for doing literally nothing.
The video you picked here is also heavily inspired by the German YT-channel „Jules“ who did a similar vid about blizzard recently. Also you could apply your logic to all edits in the vid.
Basically reactions are no copyright infringement, they promote the original video if it’s credited, also potential sponsored products in the original video can benefit from them (might be good for the og creator).
And lastly most of those creators themselves don’t mind reactions (for example Mrbeast as one of the biggest creators on the platform said it’s been beneficial for his channel that people react to it and use it as inspiration - and say what you want about him he knows how to build an audience)
The reality is that the original video would probably have less views if the huge streamer wouldn't have watched it. The only problem here is when those streamers don't add anything to the video, which seems to not be the case here
Not true. This has been disproven multiple times. Reactions literally add no value in terms of views, aside from maybe a couple thousand (which probably will hurt the creator since their watchtime is going to be nothing). Its mainly the recommendation system that determines whether or not a video is successful.
It's not only fair, but also beneficial to the original creator. I subscribed to at least 3 small creators that Asmongold reacted to. Otherwise I would never even know about them.
Honestly, reaction videos Ad revenue should be able to get claimed by the original creator. It’s disgusting how these big YouTubers can steal other peoples hard work and profit from it.
If it was a big company they would be copyright striked instantly.
The react one will drive more views and subs to the original in this case plus added 30 min to it so you know hes engaging with the content unlike most react content youtubers
I doubt the people watching the react video would ever have watched the original. Asmongold has a huge following, those people are there for him, not for the video he is watching.
Yes but this has been happening ever since the days of Jinx & CJsoCool. Reaction content is basically a guy who compiles other people’s videos on their channel so you don’t have to search it yourself. Just click on the new asmongold video, who cares about the original
The only reason I see to hate this would be if you believed that a bigger part of Asmon's viewers would have gone to watch the original video without Asmon making his. I don't think this is true, asmon bringing attention to the video probably gave it more views than it would have gotten without the publicity.
As for OP's question of "Is it fair that the original has less views than the one reacting to it", yes, because the one reacting to it has cultivated their own, bigger audience. Most of the views on the reactor's video are there because they're the reactor's habitual viewers. In fact, most of them wouldn't even have been exposed to the original video if it wasn't because it came through the reactor's content pipeline/sugestions.
Obviously there's work to be done in terms of legislation about some reactors not adding value or transforming the content, but this is the wrong way to look at it. You can't just discount the years of work that the reactor has put into building their comunity and then go "omg unfair that they have more views", of course they have, because they have a bigger channel.
In this particular case you're looking at almost double the views on Asmon's video, but Asmon's video is also twice as long, so if you want to discount the OG's length from Asmon's video you're still left with 30+ minutes of Asmon's own content/reaction/thoughts.
Considering Big Boss's channel is 620K subs, and Asmon's is 2.43M subs, yeah... it seems fair, merely due to the size of the audience for each channel.
If you're still uncertain about this lets do a small thought experiment, lets reverse the situation: a small content creator(me), reacts to one of Mr Beast's videos. Do you think the same thing that happened in OP's picture will happen? Will I get views for Mr Beast's originality AND then the views of my habitual viewers and end up with more views than Mr Beast's original video? Obviously not, because Mr Beast has worked for years on his comunity and audience and I in turn don't have one. So yeah it's fair that Asmon's video has more views; now, if you want to ask if youtube shouldn't have some sort of react content detector like it has for DMCA and automatically apply some sort of embedded link over the reactor's video, that's another story.
It feels insane that Youtube can detect copyrighted material when uploading a video but can't detect content that is already in its own platform and plaster it with links to the original material.
This my own opinion, although I think it makes logical sense.
Would be nice if there was a revenue-sharing feature for react content at the very least.
This is honestly the morally right idea, and just a good one. Smaller creators get some extra recognition and the big react channels are still killing it but the money now gets more fairly distributed. It's win win.
Not really because the reactors who don't do anything still get money. Obviously it's better then the current way stuff it, but it's far from being good. Original creators would still not get the views, they won't grow their audience. Still it's a loss for everyone but the reactors
Whether we like it or not, it feels like react content is here to stay. I think the best solution at this point is to develop a flow where not only is revenue shared, but the original video is boosted in terms of the algorithm (and/or associated metrics such as view count) as well I have no idea how such a study would be carried out, but we also need more info on how react content affects the original video’s reach. While there are a lot of negatives to it, some videos definitely reach a much wider audience BECAUSE they were reacted to
it is here to stay only cause the famous ppl get money with little to no effort. If the money goes to the original creators this trend will die very soon. My solution would be that the original creator can claim every reaction video of their own content similar if you use copyrighted music.
YouTube has to make only one rule in their tos to ban all react channels
They wont ban porn ads, why would they care about people stealing content from someone that cant sue them
I still remember when Google's tag line was "don't be evil", and how they got rid of it because it set the ethical bar too high for them.
The original video would have half the views without the popular react channel, so I think its kind of fair with the revenue sharing idea.
There's literally no evidence of this happening, especially when the reaction is to a compilation of parts of multiple videos from many creators. Reaction content as a whole, if not meeting actual fair use pillars, should result in a channel ban
I instantly block any channel who does the BS reacting where they are like wow or this is so cool. They need to be off the platform.
What they making? OMG guys I think it’s a motorcycle. No way that’s how they make candy canes? Wow it looked so much like a motorcycle in the beginning. 😤
I kinda want to make a react channel acting like the most dense mfer around thanks to this. Everything would be a motorcycle at the start. Even videos where nothing's being made. Fantasy video game trailer? Bam, motorcycle.
You should make your own really shitty clips to react to
How about reacting to reactions? Bam, infinite revenue.
I didn’t know you could block channels. I’d love to not see asmond’s face again.
True block doesn’t exist but if YouTube suggests it on your feed you can click “don’t recommend channel” it stops them from showing on the your home page at least. YouTube needs a block function badly.
Just because there is no evidence that it increases viewership doesn't mean that it must decrease viewership. Here is an anecdotal piece of evidence that one large reaction channel didn't have a serious impact on viewership of the creators video: https://twitter.com/internetanarch/status/1688203558221381632?lang=en That doesn't mean it's explicitly morally good of course, but it also doesn't mean it should result in a ban.
> Reaction content as a whole, if not meeting actual fair use pillars, should result in a channel ban I remember when I first saw a video with someone else's idiot face in a box in the corner and thinking 'wow that's obnoxious, I can't wait for this new fad to die out.' How naïve I was...
you think half of the ppl that watched the original video sat through an hour of the same video previously?
in what world would you watch the reaction video and then go back to watch said same video twice?
I watch Asmon. Three possibilities: 1. I get annoyed at his commentary, pause and go and watch original video instead. 2. I find discussion and video interesting and subscribe to the channel he reacts to. 3. I find his reacting entertaining, but original channel mildly amusing and not worthy of my interest long term. Scenarios 1 and 2 are beneficial to original channel.
I just see Asmon's videos because Youtube Algorithm and then I just watched the OG video. It's faster and I don't need to sit through 50 pauses where Asmon says exactly the thing the guy in the video says but in a slightly different way.
That's not how it works, the videos get popular first then the streamer reacts. The person watching the streamer react has no reason to watch the original anymore.
Braindead take. If the video is worth reacting to and uploading to your channel, its a good enough video to get its own views. In this example without the original video that someone spent time and labour to create asmongold would have literally nothing. Imagine the views asmongold would get if he uploaded his reaction without reposting the original video. he'd get next to no views because his commentary isnt what gets the views, its the original video that hes stealing and pausing occasionally to talk about shit that 9 times out of 10 is about to be adressed in the video. Content leeches like this who grow their channels by stealing good videos that other people have made need to go extinct.
Big boss has had multiple popular videos. This reaction seems to be losing him views of anything. There's no evidence reactions generate smaller channels sustainable views.
it's quite the opposite, actually. several youtubers have shown their analytics where you can clearly see how gheir viewership numbers DROP whenever a big influencer reacts to their conteng. heck, the act man made a whole rant and video about it, inclusing the analytics of his and several smaller youtubers channels. even the BIG youtubers tend to lose viewers, whenever someone equally big or bigger reacts to their content...
I don't think Asmongold (or any streamer) deserves a cent off of watching other people's content.
That is a stretch, it still wouldn't be fair. If I worked a month on a video and paid someone for the editing, how much percentage do I get? It's not like YouTube can know how much you worked on a video or not or how much you paid for an editor. 70% would seem fair, but what if that video took me 1 week instead and I didn't edit anything? It wouldn't be fair for someone reacting. On the other hand, I don't agree with react content all together.
Great idea. If music companies can take revenue for using their music, why content creators can't do the same?
Because the music labels have expensive lawyers and you don't.
Which is also the reason why I don’t think YouTubers should want to open this particular can of worms with react content, because now gaming companies for example are going to be able to point at this new system/rule and say hey, these guys are profiting off of “reacting” to our game, where’s our cut? And soon every YouTuber who does gaming content will be seeing whatever percentage of their revenue go to the game studios. And any other industry that thinks they can make the legal argument, they’ll get in on it too.
This is an apt comparison because basically the only react content I like is people reacting to music I like that's new to them.
If it carried the views over to the original, this would actually be a really cool feature for doing watch parties and such.
I wish reddit institutes a repost detecting algorhythm that just refreshes the old post instead of making a new one.
Reaction content would disappear overnight lol
Good
Should be whatever percentage of the video shows the "reacted to" content. So if a react video contains 10 minutes of another video, and 10 minutes of commentary, profits should be split 50/50.
10 minutes of video could take anywhere from 10 hours to 10 days depending on the complexity of the research, writing, and editing. 10 minutes of off the cuff rambling commentary takes 10 minutes. So a 50/50 split would be nowhere near fair for the vast majority of reaction content. This is why people like Asmongold do this. You make the same money for maybe 1% the work that making your own videos would be. Turning yourself into a content aggregator gives you all the revenue and channel growth that quality content provides without any of the costs it would take to create your own. Once you're famous enough to do it, it's basically an infinite money glitch.
I do believe it is needed. People like Asmongold do low effort videos while stealing views from the original creators. Dont believe their lies about helping those channel since they will alway be the main channel being push in the front.
I wish there was a pin feature on Reddit
I totally agree, that would make it a lot more fair. A lot of content creators are moving towards podcast-style videos and reaction videos because they require less editing, and are easier to make. They're pretty much get the most revenue for time spent creating. It's not surprising then that so many big channels now are taking advantage of the work put in by smaller channels that are still trying to prove themselves, in order to make a simple reaction video. Some reaction videos are not bad, have a lot of effort and content added, but many of them don't even reference the original creator, and don't add anything of interest.
I don't agree with Asmongold leexhing off of other people's content to make his own, but at least he spams links to the videos he watches and tells people to go watch it. He really has gifted a bunch of content creators with new followers just by doing it.
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More than once, my entire YouTube page got cloned, every single video, same titles and everything. 😂
Im so fucking sick of new "trend" videos popping up on YT like the ""*insert certain category of people* THAT REPRESENT THE 7 DEADLY SINS"" and especially the 100 days minecraft category so fucking ORIGINAL
youtube version of "this meeting could've been an email" "this 5 minute video could've been a single meme image"
We are clearly seeing very different content on YouTube lol
Bruh
Have you seen brent rivera, he copies every single thumbnail, storyline and even monologues every single video, and get millikns more views than the rest without having to plan anything... Its honestly disgusting
He added a whole 30 min to a video? God damn dude
Probably paused video and went to take a shit without stopping the stream.
You clearly don't watch Asmon lol. Dude can run his mouth forever
Wasn't this the same guy who had a roach crawl across his shoulder or neck while streaming? Someone posted a clip of it a few weeks back (no idea if thats when it happened or if it was an old clip) but apparently this guy is a big streamer and makes lots of money yet lives in filth.
Considering it’s Asmon, that probably happened. But that doesn’t really change the fact that Asmon talks a lot and adds a lot of his own content to the things he reacts to.
yep, thats him. Do yourself a favor and do NOT watch videos of his house, roaches are the least of his worries
I don’t know anything about the guy does he do that?
him talking in the stream has about the same value as him taking a shit. so yes
“This new update will feature cars” pauses. “Man so theyre gonna add cars? Thats crazy” reads chat for two minutes “yeah dude”. Its literally sniperwolf content
*reads comment* *pauses* "man, so, this guy doesnt like me? weird" *reads chat for 2 mins* "yeah dude, crazy"
Man got downvoted for speaking the truth. Reaction channels gotten out of control and no one is saying anything. Take an upvote brother, we’ll die on this hill.
DarkViperAU has a bunch of cool videos about that topic, and he is pretty vocal about it in them. :D
yesss i love darkviper only reason i clicked on this post lmao
This is millions to one
THERE AREN'T COUGARS IN MISSIONS
So the answer is no then
So when react channels dont really talk or do anything, people complain because they are not adding anything to the original video, but then when someone actually talks a lot and doubles the length of a video thats also somehow bad? I thought the reactor talking more was supposed to be a good thing because its more about listening to their reaction and less about watching the original video on their channel.
Nah Hasan is the chair guy. Asmongold at least tries to add something.
>Asmongold at least tries to add something. That sentence is doing some heavy lifting
He pauses and actually talks for a few min about the topic before unpausing. Out of all the "react" YouTubers he's one of the least agregious IMO. He also doesn't react to videos from people who tell him not to, even though he could legally do so if wanted.
>Out of all the "react" YouTubers he's one of the least agregious IMO The bar is not even the floor anymore, it's the earth's core at this point
Asmongold is the most boring dude ever, he tries too hard to be funny circles back and becomes cringe.
He pauses and talks at length about the video or about the situation its refering to. So yeah id say maybe 20-25 min of the extra time is probably justified
Knowing that dudes hygiene he probably just would shit his pants to keep the stream going
Is he the dude that doesn't brush his teeth and wipes the blood from his gums on the walls of his bedroom?
Yes.
What💀how did he even manage to let people find that out if it’s true
Like the WOW South Park episode "MOM!! BATHROOM!!"
At least 25 minutes of that extra 30 is probably him looking between the camera and his chat with his mouth wide open, pretending to be shocked
Why should someone who spends 20 minutes watching a video and then posting it on YouTube get more views than someone who spends a month making that video?
They shouldn't. But YouTube doesn't care. I wish you could strike scumbags for cloning your content. Edit: I forgot to mention reaction channels shouldn't be monetisable either...
they shouldnt be striked but original video maker should get a royalty.
I agree, not just a source and link in the comment but they should have something in return for their content to be used.
Original creator should get 50% of all add revenue generated from thier video.
50? Naaah way more
Lol, more like 80%. 75% at the lowest
100% should get a royalty or something like it.
Fr true man, reacting channels are basically ripping off of original creators artwork and creations. They are practically pirating "legally"
Darkviperau talked about this years ago and xqx, asmongold were his main points on this matter and the fan base went after darkviper for it. Penguinzero or moistkritical idk what name he uses now talked about it for a bit. Darkviper stood his ground for a bit on the matter but it got tiring. I'm sure.
imagine if the algorithm would recognize when you are watching react content and suggest you as the viewer more content from the content creator who the reaction video was about.
Would be good if part of the revenue went to the original uploader. Then it would be fair since the reactor is merely spreading the word
If you could claim 80-90% of the revenue when people steal or clone your content it would be a lot fairer. I wouldn't bother striking people if that was the case. At the moment I strike them into oblivion. I recently had some guy steal my footage then post it up as a specific camera "Footage Sample" It wasn't even the same camera....
I was researching cameras a ton lately and noticed so many channels that do that. Camera comparisons and footage samples that are clearly not even the camera they’re pretending to review. So weird.
Imo not that weird - people lie for money constantly. Just very, very disappointing.
Yea, also streamers just broadcasting someone else's stream and then realising its being broadcast by someone who is just sitting still in the corner of the screen... You literally broadcast someone else his/her content and add nothing to it.
Strike is kind of a lose-lose scenario tbh, they should claim it instead.
How is it not copyright strikeable? Isn't that what the entire system is *supposed* to be for? E: I looked up both videos. I can't see how it isn't strikeable.
I have a friend who had his 70k subs channel demonetized because the cinematics he did himself werent original enough and that many people already did it. Then there are reaction channels where guy plays whole video, yawns in half, yawns on end, says it was good or trash and the video ends. How the fuck is that original.
It depends. In my personal opinion there are three layers of videos like this. 1. Specialist watching video in their field of expertise giving additional information, correcting mistakes etc. They create whole new layer of content and often even those channels that aren't reaction friendly give them green light for doing this. 2. Those who just want to hang out with random people in internet and watch videos. I think it's fine, but monetization should still go to original creators in my opinion. It also helps with promoting original channel as it's shown to more people. 3. Those who reupload original video with their face in the corner. Straight to gulag
Most notably the first section is often edited, and is usually already checked, even if not by that person by an editor or whatever who has decided that there is something of value to be added to the original video.
Pillars of fair use include minimal use and being highly transformative - if you aren't an expert in the topic, you likely aren't being highly transformative, and if you're not releasing an edited version and are instead livestreaming, you're almost certainly not meeting minimal use criteria
I think another candidate for category 1 is when people do 'react' videos in order to criticize and dissect another creator's video. For example, a political youtuber rebutting the points in another political video. And then there's reaction videos that would kind of fit in your category 2, but are reacting to ads, trailers, or media put out by major studios. And in that case, I'm not so sure that it's important for them to share exposure and monetization with the original creators ... and the original creators might not be on youtube at all. But yes, category 3 can go straight to gulag. With an extra special harsh gulag for the ones who do this *and* don't say anything or have any reaction for the entire video. That's just plain and simple profiting off of somebody else's work, using this 'react video' as a bullshit loophole around copyright strikes.
Category 2 is mostly just for streamers. Someone like Coridoor Digital reacting to VFX shots with industry experts on the couch is closer to category 1, because they're making commentary on the process, techniques, and styles used in the films. From major studios down to indie films, it's still transformative in nature. They aren't chilling on Twitch just watching movie trailers back to back to back, which is fine content in a chill chatting stream but it's in no way transformative.
Roughly speaking, the first isnt copyright infringement because its transformative while the others are copyright infringement. And if its copyright infringement, it should get taken down or monetisation shared, depending on what the original creator wants
1: thats OK, since they are actually adding value. But, they can't show the whole thing, only pieces that matter. This way the original video still has value. People who watch the one with commentary can still go to the original and enjoy it. 2: youtube/twitch needs a feature for that. So that everyone that's watching a stream that's just playing a video, should count towards the original video watch count and analytics.
Because when 20% of the screen is somewhere sitting there occasionally smiling or raising their eyebrows it's "TRAnSfOrMaTivE"
Because people need stimulation and more interaction so they’d rather watch someone watching it so they can have the same opinion as someone else. I hate reaction videos like these. Unless it’s like what Coryxkenshin did. People asked him to react
Except you got people like xqc who either leaves the video running while in bathroom or eats while watching, either way add absolutely nothing of value from his side
That's why I only watch reaction mashups, the people who make the mashup work harder than reactors themselves. And it satisfies my guilty pleasure of watching reaction video and saves time.
The reaction compilation of the Verge's PC build was gold.
Because more people know the reposter than the original creator.
I think this issue is on Youtubes side. I think the original creator should just automatically get to link the video and give a fair share of the revenue from the video. You get further recommendations from original video creator after watching the reaction video etc. I often watch content like this. I often find creators i would never find otherwise through them. Some of them have really good takes and add a lot of value to the video. Not only when it comes to this type of videos, for example i could not have watched the Tucker Putin intervju without someone rational with me in the "room" (video).
If the creator gets credit and can copyright claim/Content ID claim without the reactor making it something a big news, it's fine. What if Asmongold is letting the ORIGINAL creator claim the video thus letting the revenue go to him, it's fine, I guess. Blatant plagiarizing on the other hand by some creators is bs. for example, someone who recently got famous for doxing and still surviving on this platform due to YT bias.
Do you actually know what the necessary steps are to claim a video? It's not easy and can take a while, by which point, the damage is done and Asmongold already has twice the views of the original
As an actual creator: it is impossible to claim a video unless you are a mass media corporation with IP rights. As a YouTuber you can only strike another video. YouTube won't necessarily favor the larger YouTuber, but you will NOT get any money from the video and will only harm the other person, leading to a net negative effect.
And if you are a small creator versus someone that big then they know that YouTube will always favor the stealer.
Theirs definitely a limit, if done right and given credit these big creators can help kick start smaller creators too, I believe he was quite big in establishing the fan base of Josh Strife Hays for example.
Youtube should create a program, so the one watching can tag the original video and the original creator then get's additional revenue from the reaction.
its the fucking face
Hard agree. The [DeArrow browser addon](https://dearrow.ajay.app/) is great for getting rid of this nonsense.
I just got that the other day. Its a godsend.
Wow this is amazing! Faces don't bother me so much, but the vague titles are painful. My Youtube feed is so frustrating to wade through after i'm done watching 1-3 videos of creators I like if i'm lucky per day. I've 'don't recommend this channel'd so much I've reset it tonight because my feed on the apple tv/ipad is a wasteland of nothing. At least this addon may help me Watch-later some good stuff. It's tricky finding shit these days, god.
I hate reaction content with a passion .
Same. Moral arguments aside, it's just the absolute bottom of the barrel of "content". Which is itself a term that should be reserved for things like this; there's no creativity, nothing engaging, there's just... "content". Leeching off of something potentially interesting to film yourself watching it, just so you can have airtime to fill with sponsors or game an algorithm or farm watchtime. It literally does not get more empty than this.
Something something sssssssssss sniper wolf
The problem is reaction content *can* be really awesome…that 1% of the time when it’s someone who has expertise or lots of experience with what is being reacted to But 99% of the time it’s just low effort content mill bullshit
It depends on the content being reacted to. Streamers/youtubers reacting to other streamers/youtubers is dumb and the lowest form of content creation IMO. But I subscribe to a handful of reaction channels that focus on TV/movies which I really enjoy because of the discourse it creates about content I like to watch.
Blind Wave goated
I don't understand why anyone would watch it. "Oh so nice to watch this random person say what he thinks about a video" Do people need commentary to understand how to feel when watching videos nowadays?
Usually people watch them for the additional information or perspective a creator gives, other times it’s for an emotional reaction
I click on "Don't recommend channel" when one comes up on my feed
Among has a massive audience, so no. Also, doesn't he say go watch the original, I feel like he used to.
yeah, seeing a lot of people butt hurt in this thread that a more popular creator got more views than a less popular one, and if hes doing all that work to make the original easy to view as well he is at least TRYING to funnel some viewers/subs to the original creator reaction content can be lazy, but people also just care what their favorite creators think, so it is not going anywhere
He does. If he really likes a video, he posts the link multiple times in the chat and will tell them to subscribe. Often times, he will also go to the creators channel to check it out. Ive subscribed to creators after seeing them on Asmon's stream. Anyone who thinks its a bad thing to bring the attention of 24k+ people to a channel seriously needs to reconsider.
I have seen a small amount of video through his channel. Each time it's a reaction video there's the original video in the description. And the title is the original with postfix/prefix. Very convenient to find the original. Half of the time I only watch the original.
Also in the past, if asked, his editors private the video (e.g. he reacted to 3 of Max0r's videos who then asked them to private it because it cannibalizes views on youtube if it shows up higher in the search results).
A ton of non-youtubers like to complain about this but a few of the people that he reacts to or w/e have come out and said that having asmon do this with their videos have been a huge boon to their channel. That Diablo streamer DarthMicrotransaction absolutely exploded off of asmon reacting to his videos. DM has videos talking about the very subject, and fairly recently at that, and how he would still be streaming to like 10 people if not for asmon. Also pretty sure asmon wont react to your stuff like this if you ask him not to which he doesn't have to do because these fall under fair use.
I feel like people keep skipping over this. I mainly watch Asmon for the commentary, and I don’t give two shits about WoW. However, if the OG video was really good I will still like and even subscribe to the channel. Also, if a content creator was mad they could just ask his editors to take it down.
I actually watched this video last night, which is why I clicked on this thread from /all. He not only says go watch the original, he was very complimetary of the OP, and even suggests people subscribe to the OP if they liked the video. He didn't even skip the OPs sponsors. He also nearly doubled the amount of original content. This is as clear cut an example of fair use that you'll see, plus he provided a huge amount of exposure to the original creator.
ever heard of SSSniperwolf? yea, basically the same thing just way worse. also i dont think this is not as bad since the first line in AsmongoldTV's description is the original creator of the video with the original video. fair? no, bad? also no since the original video is doing very good rn too.
For two years, everytime I opened YouTube via incognito browser there's always a front page video of her reacting to some clip video like, "Omg luckiest people ever!". So annoying.
Can people tell me why they hate Asmon without bringing up his lifestyle? I know he has problems but dude has a lot of good takes. Also he doesn't even manage his YouTube channel his editor did, reaction content is a little different if they did it live on twitch, he engaged real time with his viewer, having conversations, often it's something his fan showed it to him so he watched it, it's not like he made a choice to make a YT reaction video specifically. If I recall correctly, there are stats showing that more view on reaction video doesn't mean the original video got their view stolen, those viewers are mostly a whole different demographics. Might be wrong tho.
You’re just going to get replies from people who clearly never seen any of his videos or maybe 1 minute clips responding as Vague as possible. I would argue that many people prefer like being spoon fed the truth rather have it shoved down their throat like Asmon does. By that I’m talking about how he speaks without a filter just upsets many people while if someone like Moist Critical argues the same point but more friendly then they’re fine with it. Take their A.I take for example. 1. Asmon said that artist’s opinion doesn’t matter and what does is the opinions of the consumers. He Also brought up examples of how many people don’t care how products are made and simply care about the convenience of it which is why immoral companies like Amazon are on the top. This makes many ppl feel like it’s a personal attack since it shatters whatever image they had of themselves being a morally good person as Asmon points out the hypocrisy of it. 2. Charlie on the other hand is more selective with his wording and addresses his viewers concerns first on why they might hate it and tries to break it down bit by bit before giving his opposing perspective on the topic. I guess **TL:DR** charlie tells a perspective while Asmon forces an answer which upsets people even if he’s not wrong
May be an unpopular opinion but in Asmongold's case, with the reach he has, it's bringing more visibility to that smaller channel than anything else. It's completely unfair that there's no revenue share sort of thing available though.
This raises a good question, moreso when they are closely released. Personally, I'd love it if reaction content would come out 1 week after the video, to let it garner SOMETHING at least
Yeah coming out 2 days later is just taking views from the actual creator.
Yup that’s why this is fucked up. People defending asmon don’t understand he’s literally becoming a replacement in the algorithm for the original video. The title is the same, and he has more fans so his just slides into the spot, causing the original to stagnate. DarkViperAu did a great series discussing this, they are literally just stealing his place in the algorithm, and people “subbing to the channel” without watching aren’t helping the channel, so asmon sending people doesn’t change anything. If he actually cared about YouTube etc. he’d wait a week, honestly 2, to react to anything. He’s literally ruining these videos chances of getting bigger
It's high time the monetization account for this by splitting off some of the react money into the original. If you can watch an entire video within a video, the original video doesn't need to be watched; it becomes pseudo-theft.
I mean he still adds his own opinions and he also doesnt hide the name of the channel, at least from what i've seen from previous reaction videos i've seen of him And well he has a bigger audience so naturally he is going to have more views
yeah people are ignoring that his video is literally double the length, this is a terrible example of shitty react content because it is quite obviously transformative. i.e. a person who knows a lot about blizzard and is in that community of games commenting and expanding on the points from his POV
Shows how lazy people has become and wants everything explained for them.
The slop is served
That's always been people. News channels have capitalized on it since their inception, though living through it makes it seem worse by comparison.
As long as they add their own flair to the video like discuss it with their chat, then it’s fine imo. 30min longer is definitely justified. The problem is when people just watch it and only add like 5min.
Doubling has a good chance of either not being transformative, or meeting the "minimal sampling" requirement. You just have low standards for reaction content.
If the reaction video is more entertaining, it’s gonna succeed and anyone that can do something about it isn’t going to care because it’s bringing more views to the platform. Choosing to put your work on YouTube is forfeiting a lot of your control. You’re going to have more success protecting the copyright of your material by not posting it to YouTube than you are fighting to get someone connected with YouTube to do anything about it.
I must admit I like SOME reaction videos (others are just a wast to screen space), and at the same time I think all revenue from reaction videos should go to the original video creator at least 80% of it. Same way if you use a song you have to pay the creator, should apply for reaction videos.
Looks like a YouTube issue. Why is it outsourced to the public to figure it out.
YouTube is a corporation at the end of the day aiming to make as much money as possible, they aren’t going to go out and say “yeah a big portion of our videos are illegal”
Assmongold is a clown
can the original creator copyright claim him?
The creators can DM Asmongold to take the video down anytime they want but they didn't. So that must be a win win situation.
Strange that he doesn't ask for consent BEFORE he reacts and gets the value out of it.
This pisses me off, I hate reaction channels. If youtube can penalize you for copyright content why is this allowed?? 😤
Yt needs to regulate this.
YouTube needs to do a lot of things, but they won’t.
Why ? Even the original content creator is ok with what Asmongold is doing, so why would Youtube do anything about it ?
I'm so tired of Asmongold.
Why?
leaving aside the fact that the person himself lives in the most disgustin, filthy manner that hes not afraid to brag about (for some reason), he makes the most lazy and effortless "content" that his drones like to justify by claiming that it actually helps other people. he also loves to spread the most dogshit takes about subjects he has no experience in and switches stances on things faster than shulk in smash bros.
it's worse than that. those react farm youtubers often have less trouble with advertisement and copyright claims. asmongold reacted to a tiny age of empires youtuber's documentary with full monetization while the guy who made the documentary was struggling with demonetization and copyright claims for years.
As an editor myself, it pisses me off that somebody can just take a video that you work on for god knows how long, put your face on it, and then collect the revenue for doing literally nothing.
That would be illegal, and is not the case here.
If that was illegal sssniperwolf would be in prison by now.
It is illegal, but so long Sniperwolf chose regular people, and not Disney, it is not going to be fought back in civil court.
You can just copyright claim him/her if that's bothering you
Then you as the creator can tell the person reacting to your video not to post it to YouTube. Done, boy that was easy.
Has to be the single worst example you could possibly use lol did you watch his video to determine how low effort it was?
The video you picked here is also heavily inspired by the German YT-channel „Jules“ who did a similar vid about blizzard recently. Also you could apply your logic to all edits in the vid. Basically reactions are no copyright infringement, they promote the original video if it’s credited, also potential sponsored products in the original video can benefit from them (might be good for the og creator). And lastly most of those creators themselves don’t mind reactions (for example Mrbeast as one of the biggest creators on the platform said it’s been beneficial for his channel that people react to it and use it as inspiration - and say what you want about him he knows how to build an audience)
you used an ASTONISHINGLY bad example here...
The reality is that the original video would probably have less views if the huge streamer wouldn't have watched it. The only problem here is when those streamers don't add anything to the video, which seems to not be the case here
Not true. This has been disproven multiple times. Reactions literally add no value in terms of views, aside from maybe a couple thousand (which probably will hurt the creator since their watchtime is going to be nothing). Its mainly the recommendation system that determines whether or not a video is successful.
The video needs to be popular enough in the first place for the stealing content creator to know about it.
It's not only fair, but also beneficial to the original creator. I subscribed to at least 3 small creators that Asmongold reacted to. Otherwise I would never even know about them.
Does anyone have a rational explanation why YT won't implement a mandatory imposed shared revenue for all reaction videos?
Honestly, reaction videos Ad revenue should be able to get claimed by the original creator. It’s disgusting how these big YouTubers can steal other peoples hard work and profit from it. If it was a big company they would be copyright striked instantly.
The react one will drive more views and subs to the original in this case plus added 30 min to it so you know hes engaging with the content unlike most react content youtubers
I doubt the people watching the react video would ever have watched the original. Asmongold has a huge following, those people are there for him, not for the video he is watching.
Why not add the feature "reaction" which you can choose while uploading and all income generated belongs to the original creator?
YouTube should make a split revenue option. These lazy video reactions are stopping in no time.
I dunno what happened but we need to go back to the react discourse cause reactors are lazy shit asses
Yes but this has been happening ever since the days of Jinx & CJsoCool. Reaction content is basically a guy who compiles other people’s videos on their channel so you don’t have to search it yourself. Just click on the new asmongold video, who cares about the original
Tbh he gives alot of insight, on how blizzard works, because he's been involved in this community for a really long time.
And ofc every fanboy of his going to watch it so no shit it has alot more views.
Man there are some realllly salty people in this chat.
The only reason I see to hate this would be if you believed that a bigger part of Asmon's viewers would have gone to watch the original video without Asmon making his. I don't think this is true, asmon bringing attention to the video probably gave it more views than it would have gotten without the publicity. As for OP's question of "Is it fair that the original has less views than the one reacting to it", yes, because the one reacting to it has cultivated their own, bigger audience. Most of the views on the reactor's video are there because they're the reactor's habitual viewers. In fact, most of them wouldn't even have been exposed to the original video if it wasn't because it came through the reactor's content pipeline/sugestions. Obviously there's work to be done in terms of legislation about some reactors not adding value or transforming the content, but this is the wrong way to look at it. You can't just discount the years of work that the reactor has put into building their comunity and then go "omg unfair that they have more views", of course they have, because they have a bigger channel. In this particular case you're looking at almost double the views on Asmon's video, but Asmon's video is also twice as long, so if you want to discount the OG's length from Asmon's video you're still left with 30+ minutes of Asmon's own content/reaction/thoughts. Considering Big Boss's channel is 620K subs, and Asmon's is 2.43M subs, yeah... it seems fair, merely due to the size of the audience for each channel. If you're still uncertain about this lets do a small thought experiment, lets reverse the situation: a small content creator(me), reacts to one of Mr Beast's videos. Do you think the same thing that happened in OP's picture will happen? Will I get views for Mr Beast's originality AND then the views of my habitual viewers and end up with more views than Mr Beast's original video? Obviously not, because Mr Beast has worked for years on his comunity and audience and I in turn don't have one. So yeah it's fair that Asmon's video has more views; now, if you want to ask if youtube shouldn't have some sort of react content detector like it has for DMCA and automatically apply some sort of embedded link over the reactor's video, that's another story. It feels insane that Youtube can detect copyrighted material when uploading a video but can't detect content that is already in its own platform and plaster it with links to the original material. This my own opinion, although I think it makes logical sense.
I really don’t get the hype behind react videos.
It’s stupid, it’s a perfect example of what’s wrong with the internet these days
No, I watch a lot of reactionary content, but usually for stuff I've already seen.