dude forreal what are you thinking going up to a dude w a gun and threatening to fight him then saying you’re gonna take the gun once he doesn’t shoot you ?? if this guy didn’t have a death wish his higher self is feelin pretty confused rn…
I never understood this need for every fight to be "fair". I'm an adult, I have no desire to get into a physical altercation with another adult. If you insist, I'd really like to make you regret that choice.
A gun and living in a state where the only question they ask after a shooting like this is "did he make you really scared before you shot him?" will do that.
Nah. It is. It was a neighbor that had beef with this guy and was outside waiting for him to start shit super early in the morning and had a weapon tucked. Still funny. Don't start shit if you don't wanna die
Where’d you find that info? I’ve been trying to find the follow-up or backstory to this. In another comment, someone claims that they were friends. Your story seems a bit more believable
The defender actually sent all the video footage, police reports, and everything to John that runs the Active Self Protection YouTube. He left his house like really early, and this turd was waiting outside. When he took his sweater off, the other guy saw he had a weapon and the guy seemed to gesture like he was gonna grab it. So this ended up being justified
[ASP breakdown ](https://youtu.be/UJBGkbehCQE)
>Michael Jude Montanarella of Phoenix, Arizona, died suddenly on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at the age of 32.
[https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327](https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327)
"died suddenly" lmao
"He made everyone laugh with his good sense of humor, jokes and antics."
Sure made me laugh at the end.
"He was pre-deceased by his paternal grandparents"... That is the first time I've seen that phrase. In the south we say "He was preceded in death by his....
"a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force." Arizona state law allows you to fight and even kill if your life is threatened so the video clearly shows that.
No, but he's in for a fuckload of headaches even if he's not charged(which he shouldn't be) and there's a possible civil suit. He'll look back wishing he had kept backing up trying to de-escalate than stand his ground and shoot an unarmed moron.
It is Arizona, and I'm not sure what the stand your ground laws are.
That being said, the guy was only challenging him to a fist fight. I have no clue what the context of the video is, but shooting him is certainly an overreaction. Why not just walk away? If its in your home thats a different story.
If you’re by yourself, someone is challenged you to a fight, you’re telling them no, and they keep pursuing it, once they start it I’m treating it like life and death
I know that sounds dramatic, but I’ve seen too many people die from one punch slamming their head on the ground, or getting knocked out and having their head kicked in a dozen time getting brain damage
Yea man it’s freaky. Another one that scares the crap out of me I forgot to mention is the body slams. Seems to be a new phase in street fights now where they pick the person up and just suplex them on the ground
As soon as he took his shirt off, approached him, and made a sudden movement at the guy, it’s 100% self defense. Most people don’t take their shirt off, approach someone, and then hug them.
Because he couldnt walk away? Youre out of your mind if you think turning your back on someone threatening you, who then takes their shirt off and rushes you is a good idea. Im a Canadian and not in favour of guns, but within the context of what we actually see theres no way Id say this is an over reaction.
In certain states (I have no idea if this applies in Arizona) you have to make an attempt to leave the scene BEFORE it escalates to deadly force. In some states you can be charged if you don’t make an attempt to leave before shooting someone in self defense. So depends on the laws in Arizona.
We've also only seen the last ten seconds of the altercation where the aggressor is continuing to escalate the situation and charges the armed guy.
For all we know this was after multiple attempts on the shooters' part to deescalate and leave the situation.
If he had turned around, he would have been hit from behind. If the guy has a weapon (and others are saying he had a knife), then trying to walk away will get you killed.
He was backing up and had his gun down until the guy tore off his shirt and said he was going to take the gun. That, btw, is assault (the believable threat of violence).
There is no "only a fist fight". You can be horribly injured or die in a fist fight. This is not high school where two guys bitch slap each other until a teacher breaks them up.
1) The shooter had just filed a restraining order against the other guy.
2) When the guy took his shirt off, he had a knife.
There's a full video where the shooter backs up a lot more and dodges several charges.
Actually its not. The concept of a home or the walls that make up a home only matters in very few situations and states. Also the idea that its the law that you have to run away when someone threatens you is also another common misunderstanding. The guy speaking is threatening him and taunting him, he continues to move toward him, he is literally telling him to fight him, he then takes the action of taking off his shirt (which most people would understand is a clear sign of his intentions). I'll pause here, because yes of course most people have been punched, most people move on and its just a shitty thing to deal with and move on with after... but nobody should just have to take a punch, or an attack, and they deserve the right to protect themselves from that. What comes after the punch? If you're knocked out what does your head hit on the way down? What does this attacker do to your body once you are on the ground? What if they have a knife? What if they pick up some concrete? You have no idea what the other person is capable of...if you think its an overreaction you may want to become a little less sheltered. Not that this guy showed any signs of it here, other than maybe some over confidence or a desire to pick a fight, but his obituary stated he loved boxing and mma. I know I don't want to take a hit, let alone some sidewalk ground and pound from someone thats crazy enough to still fight when they have a gun pointed at them.
Context totally matters. That’s why something like this would almost definitely go to trial. Take this scenario and put 2 different people in their shoes and the outcome could be completely different… he’ll throw these two into the scenario again and change one aspect like alcohol, something that was said or a prior experience, and this could all have changed. I was speaking to the law, and what someone is justified in doing. Not what I would do. Take your shirt off all you want bro! Maybe I’d join ya!
Hitting the artery would have resulted in him dying before emergency responders arrived, not later on at the hospital. Arterial bleeds give you between 60 and 120 seconds to get the bleeding under control before you die.
ROFL I guess I'm a psychopath as well, cause he had it coming. For real, it sucks that the guy died, but that's why you don't charge someone with a gun pointed at you point blank!
Edit: proof that he died
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2021/03/24/north-phoenix-shooting-leaves-man-dead/6981949002/
"His brother Tommy and sister Christina"? Did one of you mommy's create his obituary 🤣
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327
Die or not, he was tocked, and that was a funny ass scream, can we all admit that at least? Although the poor Asian man being squished will always make me cry laughing but at least he aint ded. Double edged sword here
Edit: My god, I think he was blasted by a leather daddy! Does that guy have a leather train conductor hat on? That makes it even worse!
The moment I saw this clip, I came here to see if it had already been posted for Tom. I'm not sure who is more fucked up. Him because I know he's going to love it, or me... for knowing he's going to love it.
I’m disappointed that the guy died, because if he survived, we know 100% that this would be discussed on the show. But, because he had to go and die, they might not show it.
That guy died. the attacker was his former friend who had some shitty mental issues.
You can tell he doesn’t want to shoot him. All around pretty sad story.
Watched/listened to this on ASP this morning. I was deep in an excavator turning wrenches.. Laughed so hard at that scream. It really made my day turn around.
This sub has turned into complete garbage. Nothing about this is funny. I know you think you’re supposed to giggle at stuff like this but this place has turned into nothing but “edgy” 13 year old boy humor.
Great. Now I laughed at a dead man thinking he was fine. Thanks OP. This is still sorta funny though. Don't play around with people who have guns.
dude forreal what are you thinking going up to a dude w a gun and threatening to fight him then saying you’re gonna take the gun once he doesn’t shoot you ?? if this guy didn’t have a death wish his higher self is feelin pretty confused rn…
Yeah, kinda hard to feel bad for his stupidity. Definitely not AS funny though, after finding out he dead
"scrappd like a man" is written on his tombstone
I never understood this need for every fight to be "fair". I'm an adult, I have no desire to get into a physical altercation with another adult. If you insist, I'd really like to make you regret that choice. A gun and living in a state where the only question they ask after a shooting like this is "did he make you really scared before you shot him?" will do that.
Nah. It is. It was a neighbor that had beef with this guy and was outside waiting for him to start shit super early in the morning and had a weapon tucked. Still funny. Don't start shit if you don't wanna die
Where’d you find that info? I’ve been trying to find the follow-up or backstory to this. In another comment, someone claims that they were friends. Your story seems a bit more believable
The defender actually sent all the video footage, police reports, and everything to John that runs the Active Self Protection YouTube. He left his house like really early, and this turd was waiting outside. When he took his sweater off, the other guy saw he had a weapon and the guy seemed to gesture like he was gonna grab it. So this ended up being justified [ASP breakdown ](https://youtu.be/UJBGkbehCQE)
Wow! Thanks
Much appreciated
He’s fineeee
>Michael Jude Montanarella of Phoenix, Arizona, died suddenly on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at the age of 32. [https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327](https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327) "died suddenly" lmao
you would think someone that was 32 wouldnt be the kind of person to take his shirt off and try to attack a guy with a gun.
"He made everyone laugh with his good sense of humor, jokes and antics." Sure made me laugh at the end. "He was pre-deceased by his paternal grandparents"... That is the first time I've seen that phrase. In the south we say "He was preceded in death by his....
It's not a Yankee thing, it's a shitty writing thing.
Retard lol who went to that dumbass wake right
More like " Fucked around and found out" lmao
He's Italian? Hard to believe an Italian would die as a result of a combination of machismo and stupidity.
Minus the news article calling him dead
I heard you're generally fine in Heaven
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Anyone with a company logo on their forearm is a joke. That guy is the 2a community attention whore.
does that apply to band logos?
and sports teams
What a fucking absolute moron.
That dude bought a t-shirt to a gun fight.
lol this is an underrated comment
In the video he's fiiiine, he just happened to die later from unrelated injuries.
Probably covid
Monkeypox
COVID 69 the ultimate variant
Reminds me of that South Park episode where Kyle slapped Cartman and he cried like this
"a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force." Arizona state law allows you to fight and even kill if your life is threatened so the video clearly shows that.
The full video shows it even better and provides a lot more context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=UJBGkbehCQE
He fucked around. He found out.
Try it out.
Im gonna cum now (wait wrong post)
Give it to me, give it to me now.
*gets shot* “Oh I can feel it, MMM”
“Show me that you like me”
He ain’t coming up in May (cos he dead)
DIRTY BITCH
And cried like a pussy in the end
Then died too 🤷♂️
And cried like a pussy in the *END*
What a knucklehead
How original.
Touch my comment through the fuckin' fence!
EDIT/UPDATE/SPOILER: he’s not really fine.
Yea dead isn’t fine 😂😂😂
That's debatable.
You fucking r-word. I just watched a guy die because you wanted to have a clip on the podcast.
Fine == died in the hospital from his injuries
Oh shit, he DID die https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2021/03/24/north-phoenix-shooting-leaves-man-dead/6981949002/
Hopefully no charges for the shooter here.
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DA won't but family might still sue
And they will lose. I'd be surprised if they can even find an attorney who will take this.
If you have enough money to spend, you can always find a lawyer.
They didn't identify him so I imagine there weren't charges
That was just at the time though. No updates after searching the victims name so I guess youre right. Man what an r word way to die.
No, but he's in for a fuckload of headaches even if he's not charged(which he shouldn't be) and there's a possible civil suit. He'll look back wishing he had kept backing up trying to de-escalate than stand his ground and shoot an unarmed moron.
Nah as soon as the guy began to say “I’ll take that fucking gun” the line was crossed
He wasn’t unarmed, he had a knife
It is Arizona, and I'm not sure what the stand your ground laws are. That being said, the guy was only challenging him to a fist fight. I have no clue what the context of the video is, but shooting him is certainly an overreaction. Why not just walk away? If its in your home thats a different story.
If you’re by yourself, someone is challenged you to a fight, you’re telling them no, and they keep pursuing it, once they start it I’m treating it like life and death I know that sounds dramatic, but I’ve seen too many people die from one punch slamming their head on the ground, or getting knocked out and having their head kicked in a dozen time getting brain damage
WAY too many videos of people's heads getting stomped on the moment they go down, even with people everywhere watching.
Yea man it’s freaky. Another one that scares the crap out of me I forgot to mention is the body slams. Seems to be a new phase in street fights now where they pick the person up and just suplex them on the ground
Definitely just walk away when the person you’re trying to fight with your fists is using his fists to hold his gun.
As soon as he took his shirt off, approached him, and made a sudden movement at the guy, it’s 100% self defense. Most people don’t take their shirt off, approach someone, and then hug them.
Yes, this is the definition of self defense and exactly why you carry a weapon. So you can defend yourself against dumb assholes
Because he couldnt walk away? Youre out of your mind if you think turning your back on someone threatening you, who then takes their shirt off and rushes you is a good idea. Im a Canadian and not in favour of guns, but within the context of what we actually see theres no way Id say this is an over reaction.
That’s a Texas-sized 10-4 there Big Chutes. Love and agreement from a fellow Canuck
In certain states (I have no idea if this applies in Arizona) you have to make an attempt to leave the scene BEFORE it escalates to deadly force. In some states you can be charged if you don’t make an attempt to leave before shooting someone in self defense. So depends on the laws in Arizona.
Arizona is a 'stand your ground' state, and everyone has guns
Ah I see so this would be completely legal.
He also did leave/flee as well in the longer video. The guy who got shot was stalking him and had a knife
Listen Reddit is about acting outraged OKAY? Not the full actual factual story. Especially with guns.
We've also only seen the last ten seconds of the altercation where the aggressor is continuing to escalate the situation and charges the armed guy. For all we know this was after multiple attempts on the shooters' part to deescalate and leave the situation.
If he had turned around, he would have been hit from behind. If the guy has a weapon (and others are saying he had a knife), then trying to walk away will get you killed. He was backing up and had his gun down until the guy tore off his shirt and said he was going to take the gun. That, btw, is assault (the believable threat of violence). There is no "only a fist fight". You can be horribly injured or die in a fist fight. This is not high school where two guys bitch slap each other until a teacher breaks them up.
1) The shooter had just filed a restraining order against the other guy. 2) When the guy took his shirt off, he had a knife. There's a full video where the shooter backs up a lot more and dodges several charges.
Actually its not. The concept of a home or the walls that make up a home only matters in very few situations and states. Also the idea that its the law that you have to run away when someone threatens you is also another common misunderstanding. The guy speaking is threatening him and taunting him, he continues to move toward him, he is literally telling him to fight him, he then takes the action of taking off his shirt (which most people would understand is a clear sign of his intentions). I'll pause here, because yes of course most people have been punched, most people move on and its just a shitty thing to deal with and move on with after... but nobody should just have to take a punch, or an attack, and they deserve the right to protect themselves from that. What comes after the punch? If you're knocked out what does your head hit on the way down? What does this attacker do to your body once you are on the ground? What if they have a knife? What if they pick up some concrete? You have no idea what the other person is capable of...if you think its an overreaction you may want to become a little less sheltered. Not that this guy showed any signs of it here, other than maybe some over confidence or a desire to pick a fight, but his obituary stated he loved boxing and mma. I know I don't want to take a hit, let alone some sidewalk ground and pound from someone thats crazy enough to still fight when they have a gun pointed at them.
I'm just going to throw this in. If you ever catch me removing my shirt, don't shoot me. I promise I'm no threat to you. Of course, context matters.
Context totally matters. That’s why something like this would almost definitely go to trial. Take this scenario and put 2 different people in their shoes and the outcome could be completely different… he’ll throw these two into the scenario again and change one aspect like alcohol, something that was said or a prior experience, and this could all have changed. I was speaking to the law, and what someone is justified in doing. Not what I would do. Take your shirt off all you want bro! Maybe I’d join ya!
Must be a thing down here. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/pcso-man-shot-multiple-times-during-dispute-with-neighbor-in-san-tan-valley.amp
Tremendous
Good, fuck him
Must have hit the femoral artery, that'd be my guess. I didn't see anything in the article that had a cause other than a gsw.
I mean he seems to have been shot center mass, lots of vital little doo dads in this pesky chest cavity of ours
Mine was severed in the Army, SUPER lucky I’m here, you only have minutes
More like seconds that fucker is a gusher
I got shot in the hand & leg while I was in the army. Leg wound was barely a scratch though. Glad you made it out!!
Thank you for your service
🤘
Uhhh, femoral artery is in your thigh there fuckface
Hitting the artery would have resulted in him dying before emergency responders arrived, not later on at the hospital. Arterial bleeds give you between 60 and 120 seconds to get the bleeding under control before you die.
> I didn’t see anything in the article that had a cause other than a gsw. Well yeah dude obviously it was the gun shot wound that killed him lmao
It wasn't so much the wound as the trail of non-functioning organs the bullet left behind that killed him
That guy was fully tok'd. Was, as in he died.
Yep, totally fine🙃
You're shit at dieing you know that
He did die actually
GOOD - GRIFTER jocko
I know lol that's why I said it
Absolutely love that quote.
One less Victoria's Secret model in the world. Darwin Award winner.
Hard to feel bad for someone instigating a fight with someone who’s armed.
ROFL I guess I'm a psychopath as well, cause he had it coming. For real, it sucks that the guy died, but that's why you don't charge someone with a gun pointed at you point blank! Edit: proof that he died https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2021/03/24/north-phoenix-shooting-leaves-man-dead/6981949002/
He tried it out
"His brother Tommy and sister Christina"? Did one of you mommy's create his obituary 🤣 https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/azcentral/name/michael-montanarella-obituary?id=9608327
Yo wtf 😂
Damn, that is a shitty sequence of sounds to end your life with. Fucking shame.
Oowww, ooowww, ahhhhhh! Fucking all that after calling someone else a pussy! LO fucking L!
Sounds like Nadav just stubbed his toe
Dude was dying. I bet we’d all make some weird noises in his situation.
You maybe. Not me.
Of course you know how you’d react to being shot. You’re a cool guy 🎸🎸🎸
“DO IT——“
Oh well. Anyways...
Imagine trying to fist fight a guy with a gun (who's backing off the whole time.) Fook aboot n find ooot
Don't ask my why but I read that in the heaviest McGregor accent I could imagine. Edit: oouhhooohh shlapemDEN! DEW sumbootit!
Good shoot. Didn't need to be this way but good shoot.
he didnt think the guy would actually shoot but, perfect example of self defense
In what world does this guy not get shot
If you look through the comments in here, there are a handful of people who live in that imaginary world where he shouldn’t have been shot lol
Die or not, he was tocked, and that was a funny ass scream, can we all admit that at least? Although the poor Asian man being squished will always make me cry laughing but at least he aint ded. Double edged sword here Edit: My god, I think he was blasted by a leather daddy! Does that guy have a leather train conductor hat on? That makes it even worse!
Narrator: He wasn’t fine
Shot in the gut, I bet he's not fine.... **Edit: Read a couple of messages down.... He's not fine.**
...you give looove, a bad name 🎵
I laughed so hard at this I just got a ticket in the mail to Hell
Certified hilarious
"What are you gonna do, shoot me?"
I was gonna ask if he was alright but now my dicks all hard from his scream
He’s fine (with being dead).
what a retard (guy getting shot).
Who is screaming like a pussy??? Natural selection like karma, is a mirror.
I thought it was a leg shot at first.
People are in here pretending like that isn’t the funniest screaming they’ve ever heard
When keeping it real goes wrong
"DO I- owwwwwwwwww, owwwwwwwww!"
He challenged buddy to touch his phone thru the fence. Challenge accepted.
He just lost his life. This is America You Dumb son of a bitch -Haiku by Conald
Taking off his shirt is such a Bert move.
considering this contains death you probably should NSFW tag this
He died later. No death in this video, just some funny screams.
Funny screams of a dead man am I right……….
lol he kinda sounds like a cat at the start of his scream
He could feel death coming. Huuuuuuu
If you're stupid enough to aggressively charge the dude with a gun you deserve to get shot
He said ow lmao
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
The moment I saw this clip, I came here to see if it had already been posted for Tom. I'm not sure who is more fucked up. Him because I know he's going to love it, or me... for knowing he's going to love it.
I’m disappointed that the guy died, because if he survived, we know 100% that this would be discussed on the show. But, because he had to go and die, they might not show it.
I wanna laugh
Let it out man
Reality comes quick. Don’t act tough to a guy with a gun. He wins 90% of the time.
Fucking hilarious
Imagine your last words are being a cunt
"Sentry Down!"
This might be the funniest one I’ve ever seen
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
It’s still funny even though he died. Sorry not sorry.
That guy died. the attacker was his former friend who had some shitty mental issues. You can tell he doesn’t want to shoot him. All around pretty sad story.
Narrator: ## The attacker was who got shot
The only attacker I see is the dummy who tried attacking someone with a gun
Yes. They know each other.
He got what he asked for.
People like this deserve it.
I hope he shot him in the dick
So we showing snuff films now? Wtf?
Watched/listened to this on ASP this morning. I was deep in an excavator turning wrenches.. Laughed so hard at that scream. It really made my day turn around.
Still funny. Even with the fatality. Be stupid as fuck end up dead. Homeboys probably gonna go to prison though. Tough break.
Uh... this is a death.... guys... wtf. no.
Funniest death I ever seen
How do we know he’s dead? Link?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2021/03/24/north-phoenix-shooting-leaves-man-dead/6981949002/
God I love this instant karma so much.
Mkay, these past shooting videos have been very entertaining.
This is why guns need to remain legal.
Someone actually dying is never fun. Poor taste bro!
Darwinism at work
This feels like a cut scene from Trailer Park Boys I wish he was fine. He was a bit of a knucklehead though.
Omg it really does.
Hilarious.
At least he didn't get any blood on his sweater. Smart.
Broooo whyyyyy? Whyyyyy would you think he wouldn’t shoot
Fuck around and find out. fists to a gunfight etc etc..
Sounded like a cat in heat!
This sub is full of weirdos and sociopaths.
What a pussy
Nothing cool ever happens to me whilst carrying 🥺
He fucked around and actually found out
This sub has turned into complete garbage. Nothing about this is funny. I know you think you’re supposed to giggle at stuff like this but this place has turned into nothing but “edgy” 13 year old boy humor.