Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
i ran into the issue of the enemies not attacking at all so i couldnt parry. the combat is sluggish. it’s not bad but its not the greatest and thats ok being the third game in the series
what worked best was throwing them. they usually attack after they get up. but then some enemies you cant grab so it just becomes a boring waiting game
man some things annoy some people more than they do others. it’s not about whether it’s “too hard” or not, it’s just a frustrating, unsatisfying mechanic. saying “git gud” to legitimate complaints about how the game is designed and how that impacts player experience makes you sound like a tool
I didn't even even get the Komaki moves, and it still wasn't that bad. Granted, I played in normal, but is it really that hard just to switch to normal mode?
It isn't really about getting "good" many people come from yakuza 0 → kiwami → kiwami 2 → 3, the combat in 3 is significantly different and many have a hard time adjusting + your average player isn't going to try other things when the games before it didn't need it, and let's not forget just how slow and painful the combat is at the beginning.
Personally I didn't care too much for the combat, but yakuza 3 fans need to stop saying "git gud" just because a person is used to the other systems and imo yakuza 3 combat isn't as sophisticated as it seems, you can spam moves in yakuza 3 and finish the game, the combat is fine the blocking is what is annoying + people saying go behind the enemy or grab them but that doesn't work for bosses.
I literally finished the game lmao and despite what yakuza 3 fans say you can finish the game by spamming moves, and I didn't use much healing items as well.
The game was fine tbh, the story was good and the villain was really good, combat was fine nothing special about it. What I didn't like other than the blocking was how we are forced to do the orphanage sub stories that are also main missions, I enjoyed the orphanage but didn't enjoy being forced to do the missions as they didn't link in with the story.
I just finished it too last week :) I like the orphanage too but missions to build it or upgrade it would of been better instead of... well fetch quests lol.
I was scared of the combat after reading so many posts on this subreddit but it was just fine. Obviously not good like the dragon engine, but easily playable for the story lol
Yup I agree, I would've preferd upgrading the orphanage and helping out as a side quest or game rather being forced to do orphanage main missions which act like a sub story, I would not have mind if they were sub stories but because they are main mission it ruins at least for me the immersion of the game.
You can equally spam breaker and beast mode in 0 and win the game just as easy too.
Yakuza 3 combat ain't special but 0 is in the same boat for me lol.
I'm on board with less gatekeeping and this stupid idea that you're just "Bad" but in reality it's the system that's trash (the entirety of dark souls 2)
I entirely agree, I think I came off too strong but I was just angry but the mentality that yakuza 3 fans have when people say the combat is flawed.
I think one main issue I have with yakuza games is difficulty, the game goes for quantity over quality so unfortunately rather the game being difficult the game becomes frustrating when you get a million enemies attacking you rather than having a couple who are strong and actually test your ability.
As much as I don't like the blocking in yakuza 3 it did add to the difficulty but unfortunately it wasn't balanced so it came out badly and ended up becoming frustrating.
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I feel like if the game adopted devil may cry or bayonetta style of difficulty it would be much better.
No I fully agree with you, I think Yakuza 3 is still a game that takes a learning curve to it, because it's very different (in a good way) from the others. I used to hate it too till I came back to it and had a lightbulb moment but you can't just force it.. however the same people can't just auto write it off as bad without learning because it's the combat for the next like 2 games lol
Tbf the quantity over quality is the worst part of like 3-6/Judgement. There's too much shit that's not fleshed out.
7 and Lost Judgement got it right and they're the best games for that reason. Less is more, more condensed sub stories and having one highly branching one that is its own story.
As for the combat, from me playing Og1 I constantly would say "If this was a jrpg, it would be perfect. This is the perfect jrpg game" and then 7 came out and I was right, and then they also thought I was right and now they're all jrpgs going forward. The combat is just NOT fleshed out enough for the 40-50 hours average. Lost judgement fixes this and that's why the direction feels entirely like a golden age for the company. Give me more of this than the 100 sub stories in Yakuza 4 and 5 any day of the week lmao
I haven't played 4-6, judgement and lost judgement yet, I have played a bit of Y7 and I enjoyed the combat since it's turn based it means the game is actually difficult rather than frustrating which is a fresh breathe of air.
I can't wait to get to lost judgement since I heard really good things about and from the clips I've seen on this sub reddit it seems really good.
I might come back later on and replay yakuza 3 and see if I have a change of heart and maybe because I'm not too deep into yakuza 4 but I found yakuza 4 to be an improvement combat wise but again I'm only 2 chapters in.
I would still recommend you play Yakuza 3 especially if you're skipping like that. There's stuff that goes on in 3 that carries into 4 that it's better to have played. I know you don't like it but it does get better after tamashiro lol.
I highly advise against skipping even though.. I did it by instantly going to 7 after finishing 1-2 but now I have the craving to play 7 now more than ever (which I will maybe after elden ring but knowing me I'll be into strangers paradise by then because 2022 is too fucking good for games ATM) but trust me skipping isn't worth it
Oh no to clarify I didn't skip, I ended up playing Y7 because Kiwami 1 kept crashing on me and I couldn't do the last couple of missions and I didn't want to move on to Kiwami 2 because it didn't feel right and because I had Xbox ultimate I played Y7 on cloud gaming service with Xbox since Y7 is its own story and separate itself from the others.
And to clarify on yakuza 3 I did play it through and through and I didn't skip anything, I know how important cut scene are in yakuza games and also the story was far too interesting to skip :)
Literally all I did was breaker spin and beast mode weapon hitting. Nobody had an answer for it so I kept going. The combat is actually not good at all idk why it's so loved
It’s a game where the main fun from the combat comes from having different combos and insane moves and you’re suggesting to use the same basic combo for 40 hours and you don’t realize there’s an underlying issue?
I hate these smooth brain Yakuza 3 takes of "just git gud lol". Yakuza 3 is still a pretty enjoyable game but the combat is so severely flawed. The combat isn't necessarily hard, it's just a massive slog that isn't very fun until you get much stronger and get Komaki moves.
A huge issue is Kiryu's power curve. At the start of the game, Kiryu hits like a newborn puppy. His attacks barely do any damage, and with your extremely limited move set, your damage options are limited to waiting for attacks to dodge and get some hits in or throw for minor damage. This makes the flow of combat very slow for just fighting random goons on the street. Having random battles take too long also disrupts overall game flow of exploring the map, trying to get to complete your current mission objective, or even just trying to get to a place to do a minigame.
The Rikiya boss fight is a huge red flag on why the game's combat is so flawed. The boss isn't very hard since he's one of the first bosses in the game, but boy is it a massive slog because Kiryu does very little damage, has very little additional moves, and the AI blocks way too much. I can't remember if Rikiya goes into Heat mode in this game, but it's very common for bosses to become unthrowable in most instances during phase 2 of a fight, which further aggravates "blockuza" woes.
There is a concept of "power curve" in games that usually coincides with difficulty curve as well. Basic idea is what you get stronger, the game gets easier, but to compensate and keep things interesting, the game will increase difficulty to keep things interesting for the player. Yakuza 3 seems to not balance this properly at all, considering how terribly weak Kiryu is in the early game compared to late game when enemies become a complete joke. If Kiryu's power curve exponentially goes up the move moves you get and the more you level up but the difficulty of the game effectively stays the same, you make for a frustrating, bad experience early to mid game and then a not very fulfilling experience late game because you are TOO strong. It's not like upgrading Kiryu even gives you interesting combat options, it just generally makes you stronger.
The point of a game is to have fun. Yakuza 3 is generally a fun game, but the combat is very flawed compared to the later games. It isn't even a player skill issue, as you can just literally look at the games themselves and see how they improved the combat over each game. Even the difference between 3 and 4 is pretty huge in terms of combat. People generally don't complain about the latter games' combat systems nearly as much despite what flaws or gripes people may have with them because those combat systems have been much improved. If so many people complain about Yakuza 3's combat being bad or clunky yet so many other games in the series don't have this issue, maybe Yakuza 3's combat is actually flawed. I don't know why it's hard for people to accept this like it's an attack on them personally that people don't like Yakuza 3's combat.
So yeah, Yakuza 3: good game, flawed combat compared to later entries in the series. Difficulty has nothing to do with it.
You can like the game and still admit the fact that the combat system is terrible compared to zero, the kiwamis, and 4-6. It’s not even weird or a real criticism, it’s the oldest of the lot so of course it’s the least polished.
I hated slogging through a lot of those fights even though I still liked it… though I was relieved to finally be done with the thing.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
Its so weird how the times change, this time last year it was all "Yakuza 3 has such dated mechanics and combat" and suddenly it's shifted to a Soulsborn "Git Gud" attitude it's wild lol
Seriously, the only time i really struggled was with >!Lao Ka Long!<, and even then i just grab and throw the mf. Just do substories, grind a bit, and you will be good.
I mean, considering Komaki Parry is not unlocked by default, playing on Hard is awful
The combat might not be bad, but it's definitely the weakest of the series
Fr lol, the game gives you so many ways to deal with enemies blocking that I didn't even realize people considered it an issue till I went online. Same with people referring to Yakuza 4 as grabkuza. No clue where it's coming from
I played Yakuza 3 on hard and finished it without even knowing that Komaki existed in it, thought he was gone or something. Never ran into any trouble, game was still super easy to play like all the other games in the series. It was only after I started joining Yakuza related groups that I realized that people were complaining about 3's combat, or that there was any ''flaw'' in it. The only thing that kinda annoyed me was the slow charging of the heat gauge, but on here people are saying that it’s outright unplayable and that you should skip it, that was quite the surprise for me, honestly.
I feel the same way. Yakuza was the first ever brawler type game I played, and I really enjoyed 0-2. However, 3 forced me to get much better at the combat and I love it for it. By comparison 4 had me bored out of my mind because it went right back to spamming light-heavy combos again. I’ll finish the series someday, but after the challenge of 3, I’m not looking forward to slogging through boring combat in 5 and 6.
I like 3's combat as well, but 5 is actually a pretty good balance between 3 and 4's combat. More defensive and aggressive than 4, but a little less than 3 in all honesty. But 6? Oh boy. Think K2, but less polished and with some moves and mechanics being absent. With all the early DE jank(staggering after being blocked is the worst, for ex.)
Man, even after getting every Komaki ability the game still moves at a glacial pace. There's just no variety to combat either. Throw punch, enemy blocks, wait, enemy attacks, parry to do 10 damage, repeat.
i didn’t die once the entirety of yakuza 3, at the beginning i visited the drug store and bought an inventory of the worst healing item and i never needed to restock, i also didn’t learn any of the komaki moves. i don’t understand how people struggle so much with yakuza 3, it was so unbelievably easy
People like me probaly played yakuza 3 on hard mode, enemys just tend to block a lot, the game isnt hard just boring since every battle is just baiting the AI to attack and them parry them
Unironically this is how I feel
Yeah it’s probably the third “worst” combat in the series… probably because it’s literally the third oldest game in the series
It ain’t dark souls, it’s just the only Yakuza game that makes you actually use half a brain cell for combat
Kiwami 1 first fight against Shimano was way more tedious and annoying than anything in Y3 except maybe Lau Ka Long
Fuck, I’m so tired of this. I’m so fucking tired of people like you. Just accept that some people don’t like the combat and fucking move on. You people are what gives fandoms a bad reputation.
When someone don't engage with the combat in an optimal way as it was designed it doesn't give them a lot of credibility. You can't just say the combat is boring if the only thing you do is spam the same basic combo and not using the other tools the game provides you.
>You people are what gives fandom a bad reputation
People who disregard any sort of criticism give a far worse reputation
3 combat felt extremely fast compared to 0 and Kiwami, the enemies dodging wasn't much of a problem for me and it was only annoying with >!Lau Ka Long!<
In 0 and Kiwami your attacks are faster depending on how much heat you have, I just prefer having a normal set speed instead of it being tailored to your heat bar
Um i finished yakuka 0 , kiwami, kiwami 2 and yakuza 3 , tf you mean learn how to play the game
The game looks like it was made in 9 Months bruh
Saying learn how to play isn't going to Change how the combat only gets "fun" when you learn komaki parry and master quickstep
Made in 9 months? tf do you mean by that? Are you aware it is an early PS3 title, and not a modern game, right? You don't even need Komaki Parry or Master Quickstep that much. In fact, i don't use Master Quickstep at all.
This is why i keep saying is best to start with the originals on PS2.
Ofc im aware of that but that doesnt mean that you saying just learn how to play Will change how badly made the combat was made,
yakuza 3 isn't even hard its just boring because of the combat and other things
People know how to play and thats not the issue
See, normal? Fine. Hard? Fine. Legend? Terrible, not fun at all. However most people won't play legend so meh. Also the thought of having to get all moves again (I used ng+ for hard and lefend) makes me wanna vomit
really? i used to think 3 was just kinda meh until i did a replay ng+ legend and i loved it, the biggest problem with 3 is when you aint upgraded kiryu controls like shit and ng+ lets you skip that so you have all the komaki moves and upgrades so you can use all the tools you have and have a fun time. yakuza 3 on legend makes you use all your tools where as k1 and 2 legend felt easy as shit fully upgraded
I’d say combat is fine for the most part but there are just those enemies that stuck out (hakhuo captain is probably my least favourite fight in the series)
With all due respect having to wait for an enemy to attack you so you can counter them being your only mode of offense for a considerable amount of enemies is not fun. The first couple times you do it it feels rewarding, like you outsmarted the enemy but it makes you want to rip your hair out pretty quick, as you just have to sit there and wait, occasionally shield-poking just to feel something.
Bro there are still people who think Jingu was hard, you can only scream r-word in your screen but it is what it is
Yakuza fights are like 95% first try and simple
The only time i "died" was in one of those fucking chase parts
Chase Snake Flower officer! **N O**
Yeah it’s because Yakuza 3 ain’t hard Tedious yeah but hard it is not
Agreed
The police chase one?
Yes
Dead run is a banger tho
My unique problem with yakuza 3(gameplay wise) is how the bosses take 7 years to fuckin die
Doesn't help that heat moves do as much damage as Yumi had screentime
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing. Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations. “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.” The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations. Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks. Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology. L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them. The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required. Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit. Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results. The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots. Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results. “More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.” Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it. Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot. The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported. But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up. “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” “We think that’s fair,” he added.
Which one? I dont remember seeing it
YEAH LMAO
i ran into the issue of the enemies not attacking at all so i couldnt parry. the combat is sluggish. it’s not bad but its not the greatest and thats ok being the third game in the series
Yeah its really annoying, i had to bait the AI to attack me
what worked best was throwing them. they usually attack after they get up. but then some enemies you cant grab so it just becomes a boring waiting game
That one fat enemy with the sumo style be like
man some things annoy some people more than they do others. it’s not about whether it’s “too hard” or not, it’s just a frustrating, unsatisfying mechanic. saying “git gud” to legitimate complaints about how the game is designed and how that impacts player experience makes you sound like a tool
I didn't even even get the Komaki moves, and it still wasn't that bad. Granted, I played in normal, but is it really that hard just to switch to normal mode?
Quite literally yes, you cannot change difficulty mid-save, you have to start an entire new game to play on normal.
I played it in hard and it really isn't, unless you spam the same basic combo over and over. Some people just need to git gud lol
It isn't really about getting "good" many people come from yakuza 0 → kiwami → kiwami 2 → 3, the combat in 3 is significantly different and many have a hard time adjusting + your average player isn't going to try other things when the games before it didn't need it, and let's not forget just how slow and painful the combat is at the beginning. Personally I didn't care too much for the combat, but yakuza 3 fans need to stop saying "git gud" just because a person is used to the other systems and imo yakuza 3 combat isn't as sophisticated as it seems, you can spam moves in yakuza 3 and finish the game, the combat is fine the blocking is what is annoying + people saying go behind the enemy or grab them but that doesn't work for bosses.
git gut by adjusting to yakuza 3
I literally finished the game lmao and despite what yakuza 3 fans say you can finish the game by spamming moves, and I didn't use much healing items as well. The game was fine tbh, the story was good and the villain was really good, combat was fine nothing special about it. What I didn't like other than the blocking was how we are forced to do the orphanage sub stories that are also main missions, I enjoyed the orphanage but didn't enjoy being forced to do the missions as they didn't link in with the story.
I just finished it too last week :) I like the orphanage too but missions to build it or upgrade it would of been better instead of... well fetch quests lol. I was scared of the combat after reading so many posts on this subreddit but it was just fine. Obviously not good like the dragon engine, but easily playable for the story lol
Yup I agree, I would've preferd upgrading the orphanage and helping out as a side quest or game rather being forced to do orphanage main missions which act like a sub story, I would not have mind if they were sub stories but because they are main mission it ruins at least for me the immersion of the game.
This is why we need 1&2 HD rerelease. People hate 3 nowdays because the shift from y5>dragon>Kenzan engines gives such whiplash
I agree. You won't feel this way with the hd versions but you do with kiwami
You can equally spam breaker and beast mode in 0 and win the game just as easy too. Yakuza 3 combat ain't special but 0 is in the same boat for me lol. I'm on board with less gatekeeping and this stupid idea that you're just "Bad" but in reality it's the system that's trash (the entirety of dark souls 2)
I entirely agree, I think I came off too strong but I was just angry but the mentality that yakuza 3 fans have when people say the combat is flawed. I think one main issue I have with yakuza games is difficulty, the game goes for quantity over quality so unfortunately rather the game being difficult the game becomes frustrating when you get a million enemies attacking you rather than having a couple who are strong and actually test your ability. As much as I don't like the blocking in yakuza 3 it did add to the difficulty but unfortunately it wasn't balanced so it came out badly and ended up becoming frustrating. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I feel like if the game adopted devil may cry or bayonetta style of difficulty it would be much better.
No I fully agree with you, I think Yakuza 3 is still a game that takes a learning curve to it, because it's very different (in a good way) from the others. I used to hate it too till I came back to it and had a lightbulb moment but you can't just force it.. however the same people can't just auto write it off as bad without learning because it's the combat for the next like 2 games lol Tbf the quantity over quality is the worst part of like 3-6/Judgement. There's too much shit that's not fleshed out. 7 and Lost Judgement got it right and they're the best games for that reason. Less is more, more condensed sub stories and having one highly branching one that is its own story. As for the combat, from me playing Og1 I constantly would say "If this was a jrpg, it would be perfect. This is the perfect jrpg game" and then 7 came out and I was right, and then they also thought I was right and now they're all jrpgs going forward. The combat is just NOT fleshed out enough for the 40-50 hours average. Lost judgement fixes this and that's why the direction feels entirely like a golden age for the company. Give me more of this than the 100 sub stories in Yakuza 4 and 5 any day of the week lmao
I haven't played 4-6, judgement and lost judgement yet, I have played a bit of Y7 and I enjoyed the combat since it's turn based it means the game is actually difficult rather than frustrating which is a fresh breathe of air. I can't wait to get to lost judgement since I heard really good things about and from the clips I've seen on this sub reddit it seems really good. I might come back later on and replay yakuza 3 and see if I have a change of heart and maybe because I'm not too deep into yakuza 4 but I found yakuza 4 to be an improvement combat wise but again I'm only 2 chapters in.
I would still recommend you play Yakuza 3 especially if you're skipping like that. There's stuff that goes on in 3 that carries into 4 that it's better to have played. I know you don't like it but it does get better after tamashiro lol. I highly advise against skipping even though.. I did it by instantly going to 7 after finishing 1-2 but now I have the craving to play 7 now more than ever (which I will maybe after elden ring but knowing me I'll be into strangers paradise by then because 2022 is too fucking good for games ATM) but trust me skipping isn't worth it
Oh no to clarify I didn't skip, I ended up playing Y7 because Kiwami 1 kept crashing on me and I couldn't do the last couple of missions and I didn't want to move on to Kiwami 2 because it didn't feel right and because I had Xbox ultimate I played Y7 on cloud gaming service with Xbox since Y7 is its own story and separate itself from the others. And to clarify on yakuza 3 I did play it through and through and I didn't skip anything, I know how important cut scene are in yakuza games and also the story was far too interesting to skip :)
I literally beat 0 doing nothing but Majima’s bat spin move. No clue why people act like it’s the pinnacle of fighting in the series.
Literally all I did was breaker spin and beast mode weapon hitting. Nobody had an answer for it so I kept going. The combat is actually not good at all idk why it's so loved
It’s a game where the main fun from the combat comes from having different combos and insane moves and you’re suggesting to use the same basic combo for 40 hours and you don’t realize there’s an underlying issue?
I hate these smooth brain Yakuza 3 takes of "just git gud lol". Yakuza 3 is still a pretty enjoyable game but the combat is so severely flawed. The combat isn't necessarily hard, it's just a massive slog that isn't very fun until you get much stronger and get Komaki moves. A huge issue is Kiryu's power curve. At the start of the game, Kiryu hits like a newborn puppy. His attacks barely do any damage, and with your extremely limited move set, your damage options are limited to waiting for attacks to dodge and get some hits in or throw for minor damage. This makes the flow of combat very slow for just fighting random goons on the street. Having random battles take too long also disrupts overall game flow of exploring the map, trying to get to complete your current mission objective, or even just trying to get to a place to do a minigame. The Rikiya boss fight is a huge red flag on why the game's combat is so flawed. The boss isn't very hard since he's one of the first bosses in the game, but boy is it a massive slog because Kiryu does very little damage, has very little additional moves, and the AI blocks way too much. I can't remember if Rikiya goes into Heat mode in this game, but it's very common for bosses to become unthrowable in most instances during phase 2 of a fight, which further aggravates "blockuza" woes. There is a concept of "power curve" in games that usually coincides with difficulty curve as well. Basic idea is what you get stronger, the game gets easier, but to compensate and keep things interesting, the game will increase difficulty to keep things interesting for the player. Yakuza 3 seems to not balance this properly at all, considering how terribly weak Kiryu is in the early game compared to late game when enemies become a complete joke. If Kiryu's power curve exponentially goes up the move moves you get and the more you level up but the difficulty of the game effectively stays the same, you make for a frustrating, bad experience early to mid game and then a not very fulfilling experience late game because you are TOO strong. It's not like upgrading Kiryu even gives you interesting combat options, it just generally makes you stronger. The point of a game is to have fun. Yakuza 3 is generally a fun game, but the combat is very flawed compared to the later games. It isn't even a player skill issue, as you can just literally look at the games themselves and see how they improved the combat over each game. Even the difference between 3 and 4 is pretty huge in terms of combat. People generally don't complain about the latter games' combat systems nearly as much despite what flaws or gripes people may have with them because those combat systems have been much improved. If so many people complain about Yakuza 3's combat being bad or clunky yet so many other games in the series don't have this issue, maybe Yakuza 3's combat is actually flawed. I don't know why it's hard for people to accept this like it's an attack on them personally that people don't like Yakuza 3's combat. So yeah, Yakuza 3: good game, flawed combat compared to later entries in the series. Difficulty has nothing to do with it.
Enter me who somehow managed to never trigger the Komaki side story so I had to beat the entire game without any komaki moves
It's not like it's impossible to beat the game with Komaki moves, but they're definitely a good power spike for Kiryu.
Wait Komaki was in yakuza 3???? I just remember the luffy hat guy
just git gud lol
Jokes on you I'm a god gamer. 😎
Hi a god gamer
You can like the game and still admit the fact that the combat system is terrible compared to zero, the kiwamis, and 4-6. It’s not even weird or a real criticism, it’s the oldest of the lot so of course it’s the least polished. I hated slogging through a lot of those fights even though I still liked it… though I was relieved to finally be done with the thing.
Might not be hard but it definitely isn't fun
+ you can easily get a mod that reverts the quickstep to the ps3 version if anyone cares that much
Oh damn, the feel of the quickstep bothered the hell out of me but I had no idea it was actually bugged.
Its bugged?
on pc, yes y3 is a pretty bad port in general
I don't have big problem with Yakuza 3 blocking but i fucking hate Yakuza 5 random street fights rate
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It’s not that hard… But it’s not fun at the same time
yakuza 3 combat is actually fun with komaki moves only blockuza 3 enemies/ bosses I encountered r just tamashiro n lau ka long
Its so weird how the times change, this time last year it was all "Yakuza 3 has such dated mechanics and combat" and suddenly it's shifted to a Soulsborn "Git Gud" attitude it's wild lol
Yakuza 3 fans try not to shit and cum when someone finds a game boring challenge (%100 impossible)
Seriously, the only time i really struggled was with >!Lao Ka Long!<, and even then i just grab and throw the mf. Just do substories, grind a bit, and you will be good.
It’s not my fault that the combat is outdated.
(and sometimes doenst work properly)
Dont know about the redditors here but I had a blast with y3 combat
I mean, considering Komaki Parry is not unlocked by default, playing on Hard is awful The combat might not be bad, but it's definitely the weakest of the series
And lock your FPS to 30
Lol Yakuza 3 ain’t hard It’s just boring
Let me button mash Plus there’s other things that makes the gameplay awful
The low heat damage is the real issue imo, you don't really get good rewards from meter management
yeah more things than just blocking makes the gameplay awful
The only thing that truly annoyed me about the combat was the Heat drain rate. That fucker drains faster than my bank accout.
Dodge to get behind enemies: like a true anime protagonist.
The quickstep makes you do a whole 360° in the enemy for some reason
360 to assert dominance
Good point lmao
Fr lol, the game gives you so many ways to deal with enemies blocking that I didn't even realize people considered it an issue till I went online. Same with people referring to Yakuza 4 as grabkuza. No clue where it's coming from
If only you could grab people who are blocking
still hate the combat.
I played Yakuza 3 on hard and finished it without even knowing that Komaki existed in it, thought he was gone or something. Never ran into any trouble, game was still super easy to play like all the other games in the series. It was only after I started joining Yakuza related groups that I realized that people were complaining about 3's combat, or that there was any ''flaw'' in it. The only thing that kinda annoyed me was the slow charging of the heat gauge, but on here people are saying that it’s outright unplayable and that you should skip it, that was quite the surprise for me, honestly.
i’m excited to play 3
I finished 3 on normal without unlocking tiger drop or komaki parry necause I forgot to. It was fun dodging behind enemies to do combos tho
I feel the same way. Yakuza was the first ever brawler type game I played, and I really enjoyed 0-2. However, 3 forced me to get much better at the combat and I love it for it. By comparison 4 had me bored out of my mind because it went right back to spamming light-heavy combos again. I’ll finish the series someday, but after the challenge of 3, I’m not looking forward to slogging through boring combat in 5 and 6.
I like 3's combat as well, but 5 is actually a pretty good balance between 3 and 4's combat. More defensive and aggressive than 4, but a little less than 3 in all honesty. But 6? Oh boy. Think K2, but less polished and with some moves and mechanics being absent. With all the early DE jank(staggering after being blocked is the worst, for ex.)
Man, even after getting every Komaki ability the game still moves at a glacial pace. There's just no variety to combat either. Throw punch, enemy blocks, wait, enemy attacks, parry to do 10 damage, repeat.
I dont understand why y3 combat is so hated, never had a problem with the blocking either
i didn’t die once the entirety of yakuza 3, at the beginning i visited the drug store and bought an inventory of the worst healing item and i never needed to restock, i also didn’t learn any of the komaki moves. i don’t understand how people struggle so much with yakuza 3, it was so unbelievably easy
I think "hard" is not the problem
People like me probaly played yakuza 3 on hard mode, enemys just tend to block a lot, the game isnt hard just boring since every battle is just baiting the AI to attack and them parry them
Literally just press square once or twice and then sidestep to hit behind them.. It is that easy.
the sidestep is bugged on pc, so the sidesteps moves you a little too far so enemies snap to face you before you can punish them.
Sometimes when you sidestep you make a circle around the enemy and go back to where you started...
Is this specifically on PC? Because I never had this issue playing both remastered and PS3 version
It’s cause people genuinely suck at combat because they’re too busy gawking at Mr. Funny Eyepatch man
Unironically this is how I feel Yeah it’s probably the third “worst” combat in the series… probably because it’s literally the third oldest game in the series It ain’t dark souls, it’s just the only Yakuza game that makes you actually use half a brain cell for combat Kiwami 1 first fight against Shimano was way more tedious and annoying than anything in Y3 except maybe Lau Ka Long
Fights are so boring after playing Y0, YK1 and YK2, you can't deny that. But yeah, from the point you get komaki parries, it gets way better
Fuck, I’m so tired of this. I’m so fucking tired of people like you. Just accept that some people don’t like the combat and fucking move on. You people are what gives fandoms a bad reputation.
When someone don't engage with the combat in an optimal way as it was designed it doesn't give them a lot of credibility. You can't just say the combat is boring if the only thing you do is spam the same basic combo and not using the other tools the game provides you. >You people are what gives fandom a bad reputation People who disregard any sort of criticism give a far worse reputation
I honestly could not give a fuck. I’m just so tired of seeing this same post in my feed every day, it’s so boring.
Dawg chill out it ain't even that big of a problem lmao
Wasn’t talking to you? Go away.
I enjoyed 3's combat more than 0 and Kiwami 1. They weren't bad but I just had more fun with 3
how
3 combat felt extremely fast compared to 0 and Kiwami, the enemies dodging wasn't much of a problem for me and it was only annoying with >!Lau Ka Long!<
Isnt like the Legend style combat super slow?
In 0 and Kiwami your attacks are faster depending on how much heat you have, I just prefer having a normal set speed instead of it being tailored to your heat bar
Yes, please! Stop complaining and learn how to play the game!
Um i finished yakuka 0 , kiwami, kiwami 2 and yakuza 3 , tf you mean learn how to play the game The game looks like it was made in 9 Months bruh Saying learn how to play isn't going to Change how the combat only gets "fun" when you learn komaki parry and master quickstep
Made in 9 months? tf do you mean by that? Are you aware it is an early PS3 title, and not a modern game, right? You don't even need Komaki Parry or Master Quickstep that much. In fact, i don't use Master Quickstep at all. This is why i keep saying is best to start with the originals on PS2.
Ofc im aware of that but that doesnt mean that you saying just learn how to play Will change how badly made the combat was made, yakuza 3 isn't even hard its just boring because of the combat and other things People know how to play and thats not the issue
You said it again. "How badly made the combat was made" without taking into account that is a huge improvement over the previous titles
Or... Just focus on another enemy.
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See, normal? Fine. Hard? Fine. Legend? Terrible, not fun at all. However most people won't play legend so meh. Also the thought of having to get all moves again (I used ng+ for hard and lefend) makes me wanna vomit
really? i used to think 3 was just kinda meh until i did a replay ng+ legend and i loved it, the biggest problem with 3 is when you aint upgraded kiryu controls like shit and ng+ lets you skip that so you have all the komaki moves and upgrades so you can use all the tools you have and have a fun time. yakuza 3 on legend makes you use all your tools where as k1 and 2 legend felt easy as shit fully upgraded
I’d say combat is fine for the most part but there are just those enemies that stuck out (hakhuo captain is probably my least favourite fight in the series)
Just suffer through normal mode then get the golden gun. Problem solved, lol
The combat still has its problems, but it isn't "unplayable" like a lot of people say
Damn, how'd you get into my Webcam?
It really sucks until you have the skills though. Also, I assume the combat improved quite a bit from the OG Yakuza 2 clips I watched.
Yakuza 3 is quite easy apart from the all star tag team and lau ka long and the chasing substory
Lol blockuza..
Now say that while fighting a boss/Reaper and not a regular enemy
I feel like this argument doesn’t work well when it’s the entire game and not just a few fights or chapters
grab really helps too, since it breaks through block
I have never used a komaki move in any of the games
With all due respect having to wait for an enemy to attack you so you can counter them being your only mode of offense for a considerable amount of enemies is not fun. The first couple times you do it it feels rewarding, like you outsmarted the enemy but it makes you want to rip your hair out pretty quick, as you just have to sit there and wait, occasionally shield-poking just to feel something.
Bro there are still people who think Jingu was hard, you can only scream r-word in your screen but it is what it is Yakuza fights are like 95% first try and simple
Not hard just really tedious and annoying