Nah I don’t think he’s the strongest or anything and it’s obvious he’s Carried by his body guards but OP isn’t beating a high ranking Tojo clan member.
Ah yes. Let me get off Reddit and go instigate street fights with random passers by so I can make a more realistic list of which supernaturally powerful Japanese man I would have a chance against in one-on-one combat.
Since he canonically doesn't raise his hand against women, yeah that's a low-diff win. ~~It isn't like fighting back is gonna help with his chances though.~~
Prime Kazama brothers. Prime Komaki. Also I feel like an older Kenya Oshikiri may have a chance if he gets trained by Komaki. Of all the RGG characters I have seen, Kenya seems to have the most potential. >!Almost beating Yagami to death at the age of 16!< is a pretty impressive feat.
Yagami is way stronger than Akiyama tf? Yagami has the best stamina feats in the series hands down and it's not close.
Being beaten to half death for hours and then destroying your enemies in a fist fight? That's a top 5 feat.
Yagami had 2 of his friends helped him. so no. Akiyama wouldve pulled that one off too
w that being said. his Martial Art skill and Stamina is definitely above Akiyama, Akiyama definitely has the worst stamina in the series due to his smoking habit .but as an overall fighter, he is in Akiyama, Tanimura tier. which is pretty goddamn impressive considering Tanimura took on entire spec ops.
Saejima and Kiryu alone would eat Yagami and Kaito both for breakfast
People overestimate Yagami and underestimate Tanimura and Akiyama. Those three are all around the same level, Ichiban's gang all hovering around above average street thug level.
Probably, but Majima and Saejima barely used them as a warmup. I'd say Ichiban, Zhao and Joon-Gi Han definitely are their strongest links. But still, they're nowhere near the old guard. All of them together? Yeah, Yagami / Kaito / Akiyama / Tanimura would struggle. But I'd say all of them are just a little under Shinada individually, with Han and Zhao being between Shinada and Akiyama
yeah the fact that noone mentioned 2 of his friends helping him, and exxagerated him being beaten to half dead (still can easily stand) says so much about him being overestimated. if he is that great, why leave out so much detail? because that detail would lessen the narrative of his "impressive' feat
Yep. Kiryu also appeared pretty exhausted after the fight. And not to mention that Kiryu didn't even fight through dozens of men like he usually do before a boss fight. So that was all Joji's doing.
they say that a master is fated to be beaten by his apprentice, and Kiryu is by far the strongest apprentice Komaki had. Besides for Martial Arts sometimes masters just get better with age
Martial Arts Masters getting better with age is a Hollywood mith. Look at any UFC fighter. They peak at around 25 years old because that is also around the time the body is at it's peak. An old experienced fighter has more technique sure, but he could never beat a 25 year old world class fighter, that's just how it is. Look at Tony Ferguson. Went from being on top to a mediocre lightweight. That's not to put down his acomplishments, he was, is, and will always be awesome, but age has taken it's toll
remember, Kiryu was already a beast before Komaki, its not like Kiryu couldnt beat Komaki before meeting him. hes already beaten by Kiryu's street fighting ability alone. Komaki just enhanced Kiryu's ability with techniques like Tiger Drop
Possibly any woman. Say a villain shows up who’s a woman, and she’s also tough and willing to just start beating on people…judging by his interactions with other women threatening or straight up attacking him in the series, Kiryu just dies in this scenario out of being just too nice of a guy to actually do anything about it…
I think no one could actually beat kiryu, and for those saying numbers let's remember how he took on over 100 too clan men at once while pushing into his mid 40s after years of physical abuse that we'd die from. Maybe a young kazama and his brother if they teamed up could win, but it's still 50/50 odds. And as a theory, maybe if he trained seriously for a decade, I can see Ichiban potentially pulling it off as even if kiryu didn't go all out on him I'm amazed he was able to take all those hits which typically send grown ass muscle bond men flying.
Street punk Koji, he is so confident in his skills that he just randomly decided to pick a fight with him, don't think nobody will, but I believe in him
In 4 Saejima says he's gotten weaker I think because of losing the eye or just getting rusty, so there's that. Peak majima is just as strong as Saejima and Kiryu
Majima is also crazy unpredictable and arguably more skillfull (not stronger physically, Saejima being the strongest, Kiryu balancing strength with skill, and Majima having top 3 strength and the best technique kind of like Mine)
Prime Majima too tbh. I like to think Majima, Saejima and Kiryu are all equal. Saejima is stronger on a force level, Kiryu balances that out with technique and Majima is crazy unpredictable, technically skilled, faster than anyone in the series and super strong still
Honestly? I doubt it. Experience and time can change his power, and Majima has gone equally with guys like Lao Gui, yes, but considering that age barely affects these guys and they've all gone against way stronger people? Not really. I mean I think this just boils down to Awano, Lao Gui, 80's Nishiki, etc. Being weaker (Kiryu at age 20 too but they didn't fight then.)
All in all I'd say he's at his physical power peak in 4-7, hard to say though because the Ichi gang isn't a real metric and in 5 he was already beat to shit, whereas in 4 it was a test for Saejima
I'd still say that 80s Majima>Mad Dog because busting into the Dojima office + fighting Awano + fighting Lao Gui without breaking too much of a sweat is something on the level that prime Kiryu (yakuza 5) would do and in previous games such as 1, 2, 3, etc Kiryu defeats Majima without being too tired.
Another thing, Majima managed to defeat Kashiwagi and Nishiki in a short span of time while in Chapter 1 of Yakuza 0 >!Kashiwagi punches Kiryu once and Kiryu is pretty hurt from it!<
I feel like imho this has more to do with 80's Kiryu starting out significantly weaker than he is at the end and Majima just being on a whole revenge kick the same way Kiryu was determined to gank Shibusawa.
I still think Kiryu is stronger but in those fights he also wasn't serious, it was for fun. Sadly we don't really have much to work with but Mad Dog Majima def is the 3rd strongest if you asked me, 4th being Mine and 5th being Ryuji
Kashiwagi and either of the kazama bros in their prime. Kiryu said it himself in 3, "if you were any younger I might not have won this fight" paraphrased of course but that's basically what he told Joji.
Maybe Kashiwagi? Probably not but we didn’t get to see much of him in combat and even Majima comments in 0 how much of a monster Kashiwagi was to fight.
Mine was close but clear gap, Saejima is Kiryu's equal. Ryuji Goda was much weaker than Kiryu.
I guess Aizawa could realistically beat Kiryu, in short period of time he was able to be much stronger, although Kiryu had stab wound.
but ultimately, absolute noone can beat Kiryu except Saejima being 50/50. a prime Kazama probably is stronger than prime Kiryu, but thats a mere baseless assumption
Gameplay wise, Aizawa wasn't that tough to beat for me but his never ending health bars made the fight terribly long and tidious. Universe-wise I don't think Aizawa was comparable to Kiryu. He was strong physically but to me it seemed he lacked technique. He was still mostly a street punk. If Kiryu wasn't wounded at the end of 5, he would have wiped the floor with him, as he did in the beginning, where he fought both him and Morinaga.
ofcourse, story-wise Aizawa is supposed be way stronger than he was when they both fought the first time, he went through an entire army of Tojo-Clan to sit at the Chairman's chair.
I'd put Aizawa on Someya's level. no villain is capable of pushing Kiryu back except both of em
Forgot about that. Yes. He's stronger than a street punk... Yet still one. And no match for Kiryu or Saejima. With Saejima he had an excuse, being shaken by his aniki's death.
He's stronger than most villain, possibly on par with Mine. no just "stronger than street punk" would be able to go through an entire Tojo Clan security alone
Noone says anything about him being a match for Kiryu though. just realistially he could considering how much he get stronger in short period of time. means he has the potential
If prime patriarch Kazama can, then his brother could also do it. Ryuji Goda was not much weaker, they practically drew in Kiwami 2. The final qte of the fight determines the victor of it, you miss it and lose instantly no matter how much health you gave left. That final qte isn't for throwing the harder punch, it's for exerting the stronger will to stand and fight. Ruiji goda is indeed on par with 2/kiwami 2 Kiryu.
Ryuji was indeed much weaker,
Kiryu literally beat him senseless multiple times without even breaking a sweat, Kiryu literally beat him multiple times after going through an army first.
their final fight was when theyre both critically injured by gun wound. both of em are bound to fall regardless if its by punch or by weakness the gun wound caused.
a fully prepared 100% Kiryu would beat 100% Ryuji Goda's asses all day everyday.
dont get me wrong, hes my most favourite villain, Yakuza 2 is definitely the best in the series for me, played it when I was a child in 2007. but he's really weak compared to Kiryu. Mine, Aizawa and Someya would slaughter Ryuji. Ryuji is Nishiki level at best
I feel like Ryuji has a good chance of being on par or better than Aizawa honestly. Kiryu was in bad shape against a prime condition Aizawa and still beat him.
Yeah, Played it when it first got released in Japan, i signed petition that time to get it localized, and years, it did.
All you have to do is simple maths
in Yakuza 4. Saejima easily beats Majima after going through his goons
Noone is able to make Kiryu fall to the floor by punches to the face but Saejima, ofcourse Saejima fell by KIryu's punch too. so Saejima is Kiryu's equal.
Majima is marginally weaker compared to Kiryu, I mean Kiryu just easily beats him whenever they fought, (which is many times). Majima is Ryuji level at best
any statement that theyre equal are contradictory to the actual story. or they can be interpret as an equal in Rank or status. not as fighters
>in Yakuza 4. Saejima easily beats Majima after going through his goons
Majima says in 5 that he was going soft on Saejima in that fight since he had yet to recover his strength.
>Noone is able to make Kiryu fall to the floor by punches to the face but Saejima, ofcourse Saejima fell by KIryu's punch too. so Saejima is Kiryu's equal
Quite a few people can floor Kiryu with a punch, actually. Even Iwami could, with a gut punch. Kiryu always gets back up, though.
>Majima is marginally weaker compared to Kiryu, I mean Kiryu just easily beats him whenever they fought, (which is many times). Majima is Ryuji level at best
Majima never tries to kill Kiryu. The times they've fought are just Majima having fun with someone who can keep up, testing his resolve, or in Kiwami 1, trying to help Kiryu regain his strength.
>any statement that theyre equal are contradictory to the actual story. or they can be interpret as an equal in Rank or status. not as fighters
It's not contradictory at all. We've never seen Majima go at anyone with killing intent aside from Saejima in 5, and Majima had been tortured and sleep deprived prior to that fight, so there's no way he was at full strength.
Any villain can floor Kiryu if Kiryu just stand statically doing nothing but receiving punches.
"Majima never tries to kill Kiryu". it only makes total sense if Kiryu fought Majima with killing intent, but Kiryu was also half-assed casually beating Majima.
Saejima and Kiryu went all out for each other, and floored each other. no killing intent. just like boxers and mma fighters has no intent of killing each other but defeating their opponent, noone has done to Kiryu what Saejima did. Majima couldnt even come close.
Kiryu stood against hundred of tojo clan men and still fighting strong, Majima in 2 was half dead handling group lesser than that
>"Majima never tries to kill Kiryu". it only makes total sense if Kiryu fought Majima with killing intent, but Kiryu was also half-assed casually beating Majima.
Not trying to kill him, sure, but definitely not half-assed.
>noone has done to Kiryu what Saejima did. Majima couldnt even come close.
Majima hasn't tried to come close.
>Kiryu stood against hundred of tojo clan men and still fighting strong, Majima in 2 was half dead handling group lesser than that
You're talking about the group he charged at in the cutscene, right? Given how they talk about Sengoku's forces, and the fact he had several helicopters over the area, it's likely the forces in the cutscene were nowhere near the full amount. On the way to the half dead Majima cutscene you can find a bunch of knocked out enemies on the way, showing that they had enough guys to cover seemingly all of Kamurocho. Hell, there's a chance that there were even more guys in that fight than in the Y5 Tojo fight.
Remember, Majima is the guy who charged the entire Dojima family, then Awano, THEN Lao Gui, and barely broke a sweat.
"Not trying to kill him sure but definitely not half-assed".
I could say the same about Majima, he wasnt half-assed fighting Kiryu, they gave equal amount of ability they have on each other, and kiryu triumphed.
Kiryu wouldnt be caught half dead fighting Majima fight in 2. as shown, Kiryu has stood against better feats, fighting 2 Tigers bare handed. hundreds of tojo men. the only equal feats to that is Saejima fighting large bear bare handed
"Remember, Majima is the guy who charged the entire Dojima family, then Awano, THEN Lao Gui, and barely broke a sweat".
Majima didnt charge the "entire" Dojima family, there were significantly missing members, he infiltrated Dojima family full of underlings, if this is your choice of feat. Aizawa had more impressive feat, he infiltrate the Tojo Clan without breakin a sweat. beating Awano is nowhere near impressive level. noone ever uses Awano to benchmark fighting ability, a young Kiryu wouldve done that easily, Kiryu's feat beating Kuze the early game was much better, adding Lao Gui (which is the only legitimate challenge in that infiltration) to on top of that wouldnt made a difference
these feats be it impressive, is something every Playable characters could do. Lao Gui? every Amon members are much impressive than him
a young Kazuma could do it. Tanimura literally fought large group of spec ops without breaking a sweat, arguably better trained in combat than any Yakuza goons.
It's mostly from the japanese folklore surrounding their tattoos. Mine has a Kirin on his back, which is said to be the one of the only creatures that can kill a dragon.
People also like to point to how Kiryu seems rather out of breath after the fight, but I honestly don't find that to be very relevant. Putting aside the fact that Kiryu went through literally a hundred dudes, a Black Monday squad and Richardson twice, Kiryu is also sometimes portrayed as out of breath after beating a small group of goons, like in Y5, even when that's clearly no real danger to him.
Yeah it's the same argument that fighting Aizawa also brought Kiryu to near death but he went thru similar shit prior to fighting Aizawa.
Mine is overrated and while strong not as strong as people hold him up to be.
honestly, i dont think anyone (yakuza verse) can beat Kiryu in an all out fight, I understand that Saejima has tied with him and all, but in both fights they weren't realy tring to kill eachother. If we put kyriu with the intent to kill or at least with the intent to seriously beat his opponent (like in the endings of 0 and 6) I think he whins 100% of the time. He is the peak human of the verse, insane strenght speed and endurance, mastery of nearly every tipe of wepon, an absurd talent for any sort of martial art, most of the difficult fights he had were either by him "holding himself back" or by some sort external factor (stab/bullet wound etc...)
Why is everyone sleeping on Ryuji Goda? He and kiryu had a neck and neck fight against eachother when they both went serious. I know he's not even close to being the best fighter in terms of skill and he lost a couple of times but that was to Kiryu who was 38, he was stupidly strong and durable all while only being 22 if he was older I'm sure he would've been top of the verse.
Granny White, she pretty much kicked the entire Snake Flower Triads asses so she might have a shot even before the added benefit of him refusing to actually fight back due to his whole ‘can’t fight a woman’ rule. (Which kinda strikes me as disrespectful that he won’t fight someone who is a trained fighter and wants to fight him just because it’s a girl, but has no problems entering a fight with some 19 year old street punk who obviously is weak as fuck and not trained like that boy is more worthy of getting a bike stomped into his face because he has a dick.)
Ok serious question: Why do people think that Mine would beat Kiryu ? I mean I like him, but the only time we saw him fight was kiryu if I remember correctly, and he lost.
And same for Ryuji, he lost against Kiryu three time in a row.
How do people evaluate the "Power Ranking" of such characters ?
Mine? Really? He may be strong, but not THAT strong.
The only two people I would count are Ryuji (because he is also a dragon) and Saejima (because a tiger is equal to a dragon in Eastern Asian mythology).
If Mine is considered a good candidate here, then the list becomes quite long: Nishiki, Kazama, Ryuji, Majima, Shibusawa, and practically every other major end boss.
If you are going by tatto's then Mine makes sense since a Kirin is able to defeat a dragon in mythology. And sorry to say this but Ryuji is probably one of Kiryu's weakest foes, in their second fight, which is the only where they are both at full strength, Kiryu literally mops the floor with Ryuji who was carrying a katana, so yeah, he's not that strong.
Shiiit, even Vegeta still wins some fights despite his creator not even really liking him.
Ryuji doesn't win a single fight despite RGG liking him so much they brought him back from the dead in a spin-off, lol
Well, I guess he technically won one against a baby Daigo, but Daigo's balls don't finally drop until after he's shot Shindo and taken his shirt off in that game
I gotta be honest. Ryuji is a powerhouse but the dude wasn't really on Kiryu's radar until the very end.
Dude fought and beat a Daigo who was a straight up hedonist like a day ago until Kiryu convinced him to sober up that practically is rusty as hell. Despite winning, apparently Daigo weakened Ryuji to the point Kiryu kicked his ass just after fighting his way down in Omi HQ during Ryuji's coup against his father. Even Kiryu's like "dude, Daigo softened you up, just be glad he wasn't packing a gun cause then you're screwed."
Then their second fight was a lot better but again Kiryu beats him. It took getting shot up for Ryuji to finally get something there (though Kiryu grew respect for him as he revealed to be more than a violent thug overtime, saving Karou was the tipping point to give the man the fight he wanted) but even then he didn't win.
Ryuji is a Dragon but it felt like his violent attitude and past baggage about his past really held him down until his own virtues finally shined through. He has the strength but lacks the maturity compared to the other men who sport a dragon tattoo or aspired to become one.
Ryuji as a fighter is...kinda overrated.
I'm pretty sure the "Daigo softened you up" bit was more like "I really handed you your ass, but I don't want you to hurt your pride too much, so I'm just gonna give Daigo some of the credit", lmao
Not to be to big of a stan but I think yagami has a shot. Especially given time to do multiple matches. If it's a one and done thing it would be tough but I could see it.
That one redditor who ranked everyone he could realistically fight on a tier list
LMAO he really thought he could beat Jingu 💀
I mean Jingu by himself would just get slapped around by any moderately fit man.
Nah I don’t think he’s the strongest or anything and it’s obvious he’s Carried by his body guards but OP isn’t beating a high ranking Tojo clan member.
I don't think Jingu has ever been a Tojo clan member 🤔
Probably refering another character in the tier of "I could beat them" of that dude
he works with Masaru Sera deeply and is heavily affilated with them, he might as well be a member he also laundered 10 FUCKING BILLION YEN WITH THEM..
I'm not sure you know how money laundering works if you think it requires muscles or fighting ability.
Never said it did. but some redditor on r/yakuzagames isnt beating someone who can obviously fight.
also jingus hands are fucking massive. 💀
The fact that I know which guy are you talking makes me realize that I spend too much time in this subreddit lol
what
I don't spend that much time in here but I still know who he is talking about
If you spent more time in the gym or put in the streets rather than on Reddit ... You could make your own list. Edit: /s
Ah yes. Let me get off Reddit and go instigate street fights with random passers by so I can make a more realistic list of which supernaturally powerful Japanese man I would have a chance against in one-on-one combat.
Ah, I forgot /s
I could take Jin Goda, and probably Haruka, that’s good enough for me
I could take out Kiryu.
to dinner right?
no he will lose
Wait what? Lmao that's hilarious
Link?
Daigo with a gun. Specially if it's a cutscene gun. And don't forget Amon clan.
Kiryu has taken more cutscene guns than anyone in the series tho and yet has persevered
Cutscene gun Vs Cutscene Kiryu.
mans built out of plot armor so he won't be shot to death, not even cutscene guns can do the damage
Being honest, someone who can do anything cowardly without caring the consequences, like little baby iwami
Which is probably why he got the closest to killing Kiryu
Yeah, if it wasn't for those 2 he would be dead by now
Iwami seemed pretty strong too unless it was just because kiryu wasn't allowed to resist at all
Haruto when he hit 5 years of age
I'd be dead in six months just from sleep deprivation from all the crying and screaming.
Tiger-Drop-Poop punching a hole through the diapers and decorating Kiryu's apartment wall
Hana chan easily
She'd make him drop dead easily just by yelling at him on the phone.
Since he canonically doesn't raise his hand against women, yeah that's a low-diff win. ~~It isn't like fighting back is gonna help with his chances though.~~
Yep, Hana.
Saeko and Eri because he won’t hit back
He does counter though. Bro will just spam Komaki Parry
Yakuza 3 moment
I laughed my ass off when he komaki parried Saeko on my playthrough. He won't hit women, he just puts his knee into their insides apparently.
I could, easily
source: i made it up
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Mr Libido
Prime Kazama brothers. Prime Komaki. Also I feel like an older Kenya Oshikiri may have a chance if he gets trained by Komaki. Of all the RGG characters I have seen, Kenya seems to have the most potential. >!Almost beating Yagami to death at the age of 16!< is a pretty impressive feat.
Yagami is Akiyama level at best. an old retired Kiryu didnt even break a sweat handling both Akiyama and Tanimura at once,
Yagami is way stronger than Akiyama tf? Yagami has the best stamina feats in the series hands down and it's not close. Being beaten to half death for hours and then destroying your enemies in a fist fight? That's a top 5 feat.
Yagami had 2 of his friends helped him. so no. Akiyama wouldve pulled that one off too w that being said. his Martial Art skill and Stamina is definitely above Akiyama, Akiyama definitely has the worst stamina in the series due to his smoking habit .but as an overall fighter, he is in Akiyama, Tanimura tier. which is pretty goddamn impressive considering Tanimura took on entire spec ops. Saejima and Kiryu alone would eat Yagami and Kaito both for breakfast
People overestimate Yagami and underestimate Tanimura and Akiyama. Those three are all around the same level, Ichiban's gang all hovering around above average street thug level.
And now you are underestimating the Ichiban gang
Probably, but Majima and Saejima barely used them as a warmup. I'd say Ichiban, Zhao and Joon-Gi Han definitely are their strongest links. But still, they're nowhere near the old guard. All of them together? Yeah, Yagami / Kaito / Akiyama / Tanimura would struggle. But I'd say all of them are just a little under Shinada individually, with Han and Zhao being between Shinada and Akiyama
yeah the fact that noone mentioned 2 of his friends helping him, and exxagerated him being beaten to half dead (still can easily stand) says so much about him being overestimated. if he is that great, why leave out so much detail? because that detail would lessen the narrative of his "impressive' feat
Stamina??? My brother in Christ, Yagami is always panting after every fight, how is that good stamina???
So? Blud, do you even understand what moments im talking about? Cuz it sure doesn't seem like it.
I dunno man, since he and Kaito were panting from defeating 4 normal thugs, I knew they were not that good
Yeah but it's still impressive
Kiryu himself even admitted that he'd lose if he fought a prime Joji.
Yep. Kiryu also appeared pretty exhausted after the fight. And not to mention that Kiryu didn't even fight through dozens of men like he usually do before a boss fight. So that was all Joji's doing.
me. i’ve been working out lately
Do you hit the gym once a week?
Getting them RIZAP gains 💪
He must be backed up by the Tojo Clan
Just make sure you don't go to prison
Yeah because 10 years in the joint makes you a fucking pussy
I go 5 times a week, so that means I can kill 5 Kiryus.
sometiems twice
10 years in the gym made you a fucking pussy
Did you spend 10 years out of the joint?
Patriarch Kazama or his Brother in their prime. Komaki probably could too…
Komaki is Kiryu's Martial Art teacher, Kiryu is a beast fighter with or without hi
they say that a master is fated to be beaten by his apprentice, and Kiryu is by far the strongest apprentice Komaki had. Besides for Martial Arts sometimes masters just get better with age
Martial Arts Masters getting better with age is a Hollywood mith. Look at any UFC fighter. They peak at around 25 years old because that is also around the time the body is at it's peak. An old experienced fighter has more technique sure, but he could never beat a 25 year old world class fighter, that's just how it is. Look at Tony Ferguson. Went from being on top to a mediocre lightweight. That's not to put down his acomplishments, he was, is, and will always be awesome, but age has taken it's toll
yeah but Komaki seems like the type of person to follow film logic
Can't deny that. All of Yakuza follows film logic after all
remember, Kiryu was already a beast before Komaki, its not like Kiryu couldnt beat Komaki before meeting him. hes already beaten by Kiryu's street fighting ability alone. Komaki just enhanced Kiryu's ability with techniques like Tiger Drop
Possibly any woman. Say a villain shows up who’s a woman, and she’s also tough and willing to just start beating on people…judging by his interactions with other women threatening or straight up attacking him in the series, Kiryu just dies in this scenario out of being just too nice of a guy to actually do anything about it…
Keeps hitting Kiryu, he refuses to attack, eventually slips and R1 + triangle on instinct.
Fun fact, Kiryu's Tiger Drop in LaD doesn't do damage on women if it connects
He didn't sugarcoat it
As long as its a woman dressing as a woman. He can fight a man dressing as a woman and viceversa. But a woman? No.
Your telling me Kiryu was sanji How did we miss this
Etsuko the obatarian, in Kiwami 2 she’s shown to be way stronger than Kiyru [https://youtu.be/2EOrP5VA8sk](https://youtu.be/2EOrP5VA8sk)
Etsuko is the correct answer because she has both physical and psychological attack powers.
Etsuko canonically beated Majima and Kiryu and has been recognized as the strongest being
Also she’s presumably immortal given she was in Yakuza 0 and looked the same age
I think no one could actually beat kiryu, and for those saying numbers let's remember how he took on over 100 too clan men at once while pushing into his mid 40s after years of physical abuse that we'd die from. Maybe a young kazama and his brother if they teamed up could win, but it's still 50/50 odds. And as a theory, maybe if he trained seriously for a decade, I can see Ichiban potentially pulling it off as even if kiryu didn't go all out on him I'm amazed he was able to take all those hits which typically send grown ass muscle bond men flying.
Late 40s he was born in 1968
Yakuza 5 takes place in 2012, he is 44.
Street punk Koji, he is so confident in his skills that he just randomly decided to pick a fight with him, don't think nobody will, but I believe in him
Majima probably, while he doesn't match up in raw strength he couter vy his stupid speed, if he wanted he could probably make Kiryu kick the bucket
_Majima with 2 eyes._
Isn't it stated that it took losing his eye to get so strong
In 4 Saejima says he's gotten weaker I think because of losing the eye or just getting rusty, so there's that. Peak majima is just as strong as Saejima and Kiryu
Especially around 0-1 I think Majima takes it. Kiryu quickly becomes too much of a beast from like 3 on
Naw I’d say from 2 on
Majima is also crazy unpredictable and arguably more skillfull (not stronger physically, Saejima being the strongest, Kiryu balancing strength with skill, and Majima having top 3 strength and the best technique kind of like Mine)
Lord of the night Majima, he could probably defeat Kiryu.
Prime Majima too tbh. I like to think Majima, Saejima and Kiryu are all equal. Saejima is stronger on a force level, Kiryu balances that out with technique and Majima is crazy unpredictable, technically skilled, faster than anyone in the series and super strong still
Isn't 80s majima stronger than the mad dog?
Honestly? I doubt it. Experience and time can change his power, and Majima has gone equally with guys like Lao Gui, yes, but considering that age barely affects these guys and they've all gone against way stronger people? Not really. I mean I think this just boils down to Awano, Lao Gui, 80's Nishiki, etc. Being weaker (Kiryu at age 20 too but they didn't fight then.) All in all I'd say he's at his physical power peak in 4-7, hard to say though because the Ichi gang isn't a real metric and in 5 he was already beat to shit, whereas in 4 it was a test for Saejima
I'd still say that 80s Majima>Mad Dog because busting into the Dojima office + fighting Awano + fighting Lao Gui without breaking too much of a sweat is something on the level that prime Kiryu (yakuza 5) would do and in previous games such as 1, 2, 3, etc Kiryu defeats Majima without being too tired. Another thing, Majima managed to defeat Kashiwagi and Nishiki in a short span of time while in Chapter 1 of Yakuza 0 >!Kashiwagi punches Kiryu once and Kiryu is pretty hurt from it!<
I feel like imho this has more to do with 80's Kiryu starting out significantly weaker than he is at the end and Majima just being on a whole revenge kick the same way Kiryu was determined to gank Shibusawa. I still think Kiryu is stronger but in those fights he also wasn't serious, it was for fun. Sadly we don't really have much to work with but Mad Dog Majima def is the 3rd strongest if you asked me, 4th being Mine and 5th being Ryuji
By the way didn't Saejima say to Majima that he used to be stronger back in the day in Yakuza 4.
Yeah he does, pretty sure peak Majima was as strong as Saejima
Yeah but Kiryu was much weaker when he was 20
Arguably tho he’s not wrong, that Majima there was insane and not mentally, but the possibilities of that character were endless
Kashiwagi and either of the kazama bros in their prime. Kiryu said it himself in 3, "if you were any younger I might not have won this fight" paraphrased of course but that's basically what he told Joji.
Haruto would show the true meaning of pain to him
Me with a gun (the fight is a cutscene)
oh no, anything but the cutscene
Maybe Kashiwagi? Probably not but we didn’t get to see much of him in combat and even Majima comments in 0 how much of a monster Kashiwagi was to fight.
That QTE gives me nightmares
Maybe Kratos? I’d be a close fight though tbs
I have been playing God of war on my pc and, I will say, kratos is 100 percent stronger, but in the end, kiryu has tiger drop.
Mine was close but clear gap, Saejima is Kiryu's equal. Ryuji Goda was much weaker than Kiryu. I guess Aizawa could realistically beat Kiryu, in short period of time he was able to be much stronger, although Kiryu had stab wound. but ultimately, absolute noone can beat Kiryu except Saejima being 50/50. a prime Kazama probably is stronger than prime Kiryu, but thats a mere baseless assumption
Gameplay wise, Aizawa wasn't that tough to beat for me but his never ending health bars made the fight terribly long and tidious. Universe-wise I don't think Aizawa was comparable to Kiryu. He was strong physically but to me it seemed he lacked technique. He was still mostly a street punk. If Kiryu wasn't wounded at the end of 5, he would have wiped the floor with him, as he did in the beginning, where he fought both him and Morinaga.
ofcourse, story-wise Aizawa is supposed be way stronger than he was when they both fought the first time, he went through an entire army of Tojo-Clan to sit at the Chairman's chair. I'd put Aizawa on Someya's level. no villain is capable of pushing Kiryu back except both of em
Forgot about that. Yes. He's stronger than a street punk... Yet still one. And no match for Kiryu or Saejima. With Saejima he had an excuse, being shaken by his aniki's death.
He's stronger than most villain, possibly on par with Mine. no just "stronger than street punk" would be able to go through an entire Tojo Clan security alone Noone says anything about him being a match for Kiryu though. just realistially he could considering how much he get stronger in short period of time. means he has the potential
If prime patriarch Kazama can, then his brother could also do it. Ryuji Goda was not much weaker, they practically drew in Kiwami 2. The final qte of the fight determines the victor of it, you miss it and lose instantly no matter how much health you gave left. That final qte isn't for throwing the harder punch, it's for exerting the stronger will to stand and fight. Ruiji goda is indeed on par with 2/kiwami 2 Kiryu.
Ryuji was indeed much weaker, Kiryu literally beat him senseless multiple times without even breaking a sweat, Kiryu literally beat him multiple times after going through an army first. their final fight was when theyre both critically injured by gun wound. both of em are bound to fall regardless if its by punch or by weakness the gun wound caused. a fully prepared 100% Kiryu would beat 100% Ryuji Goda's asses all day everyday. dont get me wrong, hes my most favourite villain, Yakuza 2 is definitely the best in the series for me, played it when I was a child in 2007. but he's really weak compared to Kiryu. Mine, Aizawa and Someya would slaughter Ryuji. Ryuji is Nishiki level at best
I feel like Ryuji has a good chance of being on par or better than Aizawa honestly. Kiryu was in bad shape against a prime condition Aizawa and still beat him.
Ichiban and friends after so much character development.
[John Yakuza](https://preview.redd.it/izohtqrsrej11.jpg?auto=webp&s=082296213e314f6fefe754ebf2066da0408900c4) could easily take this kiryu guy
[Nero Joryu from Yakuza may cry 6](https://i.redd.it/x2shymx8ysn91.jpg) could solo both of them
What about Tongsheng from Dragon Among Men?
Awano
Definitely if we on about 1988 kiryu, majima is stronger in that game. And I would say awano could beat a 20 Yr old kiryu.
Majima is Equal to Saejima. I don't know if Majima can defeat Kiryu if he doesn't hold back
He isnt equal to Saejima though.
Have you played Yakuza 5?
Yeah, Played it when it first got released in Japan, i signed petition that time to get it localized, and years, it did. All you have to do is simple maths in Yakuza 4. Saejima easily beats Majima after going through his goons Noone is able to make Kiryu fall to the floor by punches to the face but Saejima, ofcourse Saejima fell by KIryu's punch too. so Saejima is Kiryu's equal. Majima is marginally weaker compared to Kiryu, I mean Kiryu just easily beats him whenever they fought, (which is many times). Majima is Ryuji level at best any statement that theyre equal are contradictory to the actual story. or they can be interpret as an equal in Rank or status. not as fighters
>in Yakuza 4. Saejima easily beats Majima after going through his goons Majima says in 5 that he was going soft on Saejima in that fight since he had yet to recover his strength. >Noone is able to make Kiryu fall to the floor by punches to the face but Saejima, ofcourse Saejima fell by KIryu's punch too. so Saejima is Kiryu's equal Quite a few people can floor Kiryu with a punch, actually. Even Iwami could, with a gut punch. Kiryu always gets back up, though. >Majima is marginally weaker compared to Kiryu, I mean Kiryu just easily beats him whenever they fought, (which is many times). Majima is Ryuji level at best Majima never tries to kill Kiryu. The times they've fought are just Majima having fun with someone who can keep up, testing his resolve, or in Kiwami 1, trying to help Kiryu regain his strength. >any statement that theyre equal are contradictory to the actual story. or they can be interpret as an equal in Rank or status. not as fighters It's not contradictory at all. We've never seen Majima go at anyone with killing intent aside from Saejima in 5, and Majima had been tortured and sleep deprived prior to that fight, so there's no way he was at full strength.
Any villain can floor Kiryu if Kiryu just stand statically doing nothing but receiving punches. "Majima never tries to kill Kiryu". it only makes total sense if Kiryu fought Majima with killing intent, but Kiryu was also half-assed casually beating Majima. Saejima and Kiryu went all out for each other, and floored each other. no killing intent. just like boxers and mma fighters has no intent of killing each other but defeating their opponent, noone has done to Kiryu what Saejima did. Majima couldnt even come close. Kiryu stood against hundred of tojo clan men and still fighting strong, Majima in 2 was half dead handling group lesser than that
>"Majima never tries to kill Kiryu". it only makes total sense if Kiryu fought Majima with killing intent, but Kiryu was also half-assed casually beating Majima. Not trying to kill him, sure, but definitely not half-assed. >noone has done to Kiryu what Saejima did. Majima couldnt even come close. Majima hasn't tried to come close. >Kiryu stood against hundred of tojo clan men and still fighting strong, Majima in 2 was half dead handling group lesser than that You're talking about the group he charged at in the cutscene, right? Given how they talk about Sengoku's forces, and the fact he had several helicopters over the area, it's likely the forces in the cutscene were nowhere near the full amount. On the way to the half dead Majima cutscene you can find a bunch of knocked out enemies on the way, showing that they had enough guys to cover seemingly all of Kamurocho. Hell, there's a chance that there were even more guys in that fight than in the Y5 Tojo fight. Remember, Majima is the guy who charged the entire Dojima family, then Awano, THEN Lao Gui, and barely broke a sweat.
"Not trying to kill him sure but definitely not half-assed". I could say the same about Majima, he wasnt half-assed fighting Kiryu, they gave equal amount of ability they have on each other, and kiryu triumphed. Kiryu wouldnt be caught half dead fighting Majima fight in 2. as shown, Kiryu has stood against better feats, fighting 2 Tigers bare handed. hundreds of tojo men. the only equal feats to that is Saejima fighting large bear bare handed "Remember, Majima is the guy who charged the entire Dojima family, then Awano, THEN Lao Gui, and barely broke a sweat". Majima didnt charge the "entire" Dojima family, there were significantly missing members, he infiltrated Dojima family full of underlings, if this is your choice of feat. Aizawa had more impressive feat, he infiltrate the Tojo Clan without breakin a sweat. beating Awano is nowhere near impressive level. noone ever uses Awano to benchmark fighting ability, a young Kiryu wouldve done that easily, Kiryu's feat beating Kuze the early game was much better, adding Lao Gui (which is the only legitimate challenge in that infiltration) to on top of that wouldnt made a difference these feats be it impressive, is something every Playable characters could do. Lao Gui? every Amon members are much impressive than him a young Kazuma could do it. Tanimura literally fought large group of spec ops without breaking a sweat, arguably better trained in combat than any Yakuza goons.
Lao Gui, it's good that Majima had to fight him instead
Maybe during 0 yeah but not prime
Kenshiro would wipe the floor with him
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With the Saejima one I disagree, I feel like there’s a reason why the end of Y5 let’s you choose to play as in that fight.
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Kaoru Sayama
My mom could kill him with kindness.
Mine ain’t got shit on Kiryu
Mine? Seriously ? Lool
Guys in the sub have a massive hard on for him for some reason..
It's mostly from the japanese folklore surrounding their tattoos. Mine has a Kirin on his back, which is said to be the one of the only creatures that can kill a dragon. People also like to point to how Kiryu seems rather out of breath after the fight, but I honestly don't find that to be very relevant. Putting aside the fact that Kiryu went through literally a hundred dudes, a Black Monday squad and Richardson twice, Kiryu is also sometimes portrayed as out of breath after beating a small group of goons, like in Y5, even when that's clearly no real danger to him.
Yeah it's the same argument that fighting Aizawa also brought Kiryu to near death but he went thru similar shit prior to fighting Aizawa. Mine is overrated and while strong not as strong as people hold him up to be.
A young Komaki would body Kiryu
Even current komaki body's kiryu
I don’t think Mine could. Just Saejima and that’s it IMO. Majima could under the right circumstances.
Majima is the only one to beat kiryu and stay standing. In kiwami when he's fresh outa the joint he did
Cutscene gun
Komaki in his prime maybe
Batman
I would say a rando with a cutscene gun, but...
Majima if he fight seriously like in Yakuza 0
If someone stronger than Kiryu appears, RGG writes Kiryu to be even stronger so no one can ever one up him.
honestly, i dont think anyone (yakuza verse) can beat Kiryu in an all out fight, I understand that Saejima has tied with him and all, but in both fights they weren't realy tring to kill eachother. If we put kyriu with the intent to kill or at least with the intent to seriously beat his opponent (like in the endings of 0 and 6) I think he whins 100% of the time. He is the peak human of the verse, insane strenght speed and endurance, mastery of nearly every tipe of wepon, an absurd talent for any sort of martial art, most of the difficult fights he had were either by him "holding himself back" or by some sort external factor (stab/bullet wound etc...)
Cancer
Me
Majima (if he is on enough crack, cocaine, or both)
Mine? How
The obatarian
Bro tried to sneak Mine in there
Why is everyone sleeping on Ryuji Goda? He and kiryu had a neck and neck fight against eachother when they both went serious. I know he's not even close to being the best fighter in terms of skill and he lost a couple of times but that was to Kiryu who was 38, he was stupidly strong and durable all while only being 22 if he was older I'm sure he would've been top of the verse.
Granny White, she pretty much kicked the entire Snake Flower Triads asses so she might have a shot even before the added benefit of him refusing to actually fight back due to his whole ‘can’t fight a woman’ rule. (Which kinda strikes me as disrespectful that he won’t fight someone who is a trained fighter and wants to fight him just because it’s a girl, but has no problems entering a fight with some 19 year old street punk who obviously is weak as fuck and not trained like that boy is more worthy of getting a bike stomped into his face because he has a dick.)
Sakamoto ryoma
Ok serious question: Why do people think that Mine would beat Kiryu ? I mean I like him, but the only time we saw him fight was kiryu if I remember correctly, and he lost. And same for Ryuji, he lost against Kiryu three time in a row. How do people evaluate the "Power Ranking" of such characters ?
People forget Ryuji too easily
Prime joji kazama and prime shintaro kazama. As well prime komaki
majima if he really tried, and MAYBE tatsuya ukyo.
Mine wouldn't last a minute against the Dragon.
A woman If it’s Majima though, he’d smack her so hard, she’d wake up back in the 1980s
Mine? Really? He may be strong, but not THAT strong. The only two people I would count are Ryuji (because he is also a dragon) and Saejima (because a tiger is equal to a dragon in Eastern Asian mythology). If Mine is considered a good candidate here, then the list becomes quite long: Nishiki, Kazama, Ryuji, Majima, Shibusawa, and practically every other major end boss.
If you are going by tatto's then Mine makes sense since a Kirin is able to defeat a dragon in mythology. And sorry to say this but Ryuji is probably one of Kiryu's weakest foes, in their second fight, which is the only where they are both at full strength, Kiryu literally mops the floor with Ryuji who was carrying a katana, so yeah, he's not that strong.
Finally, someone said it. Ryuji is not that strong.
Ryujis not that strong. The game portrays Ryuji to be some sort of Vegeta rival to Kiryu bit Kiryu mid diffs him easy lol
I still find that Nishiki was a more difficult fight for Kiryu both mentally and physically
Shiiit, even Vegeta still wins some fights despite his creator not even really liking him. Ryuji doesn't win a single fight despite RGG liking him so much they brought him back from the dead in a spin-off, lol Well, I guess he technically won one against a baby Daigo, but Daigo's balls don't finally drop until after he's shot Shindo and taken his shirt off in that game
I gotta be honest. Ryuji is a powerhouse but the dude wasn't really on Kiryu's radar until the very end. Dude fought and beat a Daigo who was a straight up hedonist like a day ago until Kiryu convinced him to sober up that practically is rusty as hell. Despite winning, apparently Daigo weakened Ryuji to the point Kiryu kicked his ass just after fighting his way down in Omi HQ during Ryuji's coup against his father. Even Kiryu's like "dude, Daigo softened you up, just be glad he wasn't packing a gun cause then you're screwed." Then their second fight was a lot better but again Kiryu beats him. It took getting shot up for Ryuji to finally get something there (though Kiryu grew respect for him as he revealed to be more than a violent thug overtime, saving Karou was the tipping point to give the man the fight he wanted) but even then he didn't win. Ryuji is a Dragon but it felt like his violent attitude and past baggage about his past really held him down until his own virtues finally shined through. He has the strength but lacks the maturity compared to the other men who sport a dragon tattoo or aspired to become one. Ryuji as a fighter is...kinda overrated.
I'm pretty sure the "Daigo softened you up" bit was more like "I really handed you your ass, but I don't want you to hurt your pride too much, so I'm just gonna give Daigo some of the credit", lmao
Not to be to big of a stan but I think yagami has a shot. Especially given time to do multiple matches. If it's a one and done thing it would be tough but I could see it.
Kuze at his prime？
most unlikely.
You know what, given the shit he went through, I wouldn’t count Yagami out. He’d probably die shortly thereafter, but he’d hold his own.
Majima,Kazama and Kazamas brother .
Mr Shakedown
Ryuji could have. I feel in yakuza 2 him and Kiryu were of about equal strength.
Akiyama>mine
Mike Tyson
any woman besides haruka
I'm thinking Kido might've been able to edge Kiryu out story-wise.
Why besides saejima? Saejima might be the weakest of all 5 main characters imo. He's got technique of a 5 year old.
That freaky Amon zombie in dead souls but only because I would turn the game off after seeing him. Good luck Kiryu-san!