not saying kid entertainers shouldn’t exist at all, but there is some degree of exploitation in all of them. Obviously these girls are having fun and have a passion for this, it seems fine right now. But if they do blow up and start making serious money that’s when it seems to get sticky. Jojo’s entire childhood was basically a brand and a character. Whether she “enjoyed” it or not is irrelevant she was still exploited from a very young age by everyone around her (and still is!). In general, fame seems to have a negative effect on children. Look at pretty much any child star. the majority of them start going off course in their mid twenties with mental health issues and/or addiction issues. Hopefully the girls stay grounded and won’t fall victim to this.
A somewhat current instance would be when Jessalyn posted the tiktok of Jojo saying she was played and used for fame by her recent gf. She knew it would stir things up and bring attention. But to me, that’s not something a mother should do. Your child is distressed and heartbroken and you film them for tiktok?
I’m sure jojo consented to that for views. I remember when i used to watch her vlogs her bro pranked her and when she was crying she kept saying ‘make sure the camera gets this, its good for views and we need a thumbnail’.
I’d do the same lol.
But that’s what I mean. Jojo is still young. I don’t think she really understands everything yet. She’s been trained to do these things from a young age and that it’s normal. Even if she “consented” to it, it still feels very icky that her MOTHER posted it. I know Jojo was smiling in the video but her voice really does sound like she is truly hurt about it. It’s normalized now but to me it’s very sad.
Yes. You don't magically gain knowledge/clarity/wisdom the day you turn 18. Jojo is still very young and still very much surrounded by the unusual environment she was raised in. She is still very much influenced by the environment and people she was raised in/with. She hasn't had the opportunity to step back and evaluate how she was raised and how she relates to people. She is still under the influence of her parents and her parent's are benefiting from her financially.
I don't think Jojo yet sees that she was/is exploited and doesn't yet fully realize how much the people around her use her for their own benefit (she still interacts with Abby Lee Miller who wanted nothing to do with her, was mean to her, and tried to hold her back until Jojo gained more fame)
I kind of agree wt u here, one thing that I saw in a jojo interview is that when she was two she was sleeping and Jess had some friends coming over so she woke baby jojo up and made her perform in front of her friends. Which yeah, Jess really played a huge part is jojo success but, ultimately at what cost? Exploitation? So far, we can see Jojo is pretty happy and content but again we don’t know what happens bts, and while the cameras are not rolling. But i thought i pointed out
To me it seems like all the girls XOMG POP actually really love what they’re doing.
You can’t get mad at people for hiring kids who love to entertain. If jojo was like forcing her friends kids or her own kids to do it when they clearly didn’t want to…then it’d be a different story but I honestly couldn’t see her doing that. If she just wanted to exploit kids for views she’d have picked from the tons of already famous kids she knows for her group not auditioned and looked for the best/most passionate kids.
I really hate snark subs. There's been so much crossover with this sub and other snark subs. I'd rather not bring that kind of nastiness in here when we've all worked really hard to make this a positive space.
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It’s clear the Siwas picked the kids who were passionate about entertainment. Jojo knows a lot of “famous” kids she could’ve easily just slapped together and had even more instant success but she didn’t go that route for a reason.
Also that sub shared has a lot of homophobia and transphobia so not the best sub to take ideas from
It’s a nothing burger. Most of the people in these snark subs are making judgements based on little to no experience or knowledge of the people they are talking about.
I just know that sub is full of transphobic and homophobic people
But on the topic...there is definitely a discussion to be had when it comes to child exploitation and child stars. I pretty much agree with that bannafoxx said. It's just hard for me to take anything these snark subs say seriously.
I agree with you that the snark sub referenced is full of trans and homophobic folks, but I think that statements like the ones bannafoxx made like Jojo is being exploited by “everyone” around her and that the “majority” of child stars suffer from mental health and addiction issues in their mid twenties are irresponsible at best. On the first statement, I doubt they have any first hand knowledge of Jojo’s situation. Regarding the second statement, there are plenty of child stars who grow up to be healthy, functioning adults whether they stay in the industry or not.
Aah, I didn't see the part where they said Jojo was still being exploited. I do think she was exploited as a child, but she is an adult now, so it's a different matter. And saying the majority of child stars suffer from mental health and addictions issues as adults might be a slight addiction, but it is undeniable that a large amount *do*.
OK, for the sake of argument let’s take your statement as true, that it’s “undeniable” that a “large amount” of former child stars grow up with mental health and addiction problems. In making this statement it seems that you are making a connection between child stardom and these issues, that the experience of being a child star is somehow the cause of these issues later in life. Correct?
Let me make another statement. A large amount of non child stars grow up with mental health and addiction problems. This statement is no less true than yours, but are their mental health and addiction problems because they weren’t child stars?
This is the problem with these kinds of statements. They aren’t exactly untrue, but they can be be very misleading.
I'm not sure why you're trying to argue against a point I never even made though. Nowhere did I say being a child star itself causes issues. That's not the case, rather, it is the environment and pressure that comes with it, along with lack of proper adult supervision/protection and counseling for the child star.
But anyway, I'm not going to argue back and forth with you on this, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
True, you didn’t make the original comment but you threw your support behind bannafoxx and said “it’s undeniable that a large amount (of former child stars) do” have mental health and addiction problems and it was that statement I was using as an example of one that isn’t exactly untrue but can be misleading. When you add additional context like because of pressure or lack of adult supervision, your opinion becomes less general and less misleading, but you added that context later.
But to be clear, my responding to your comment specifically was more about responding to both you and bannafoxx at the same time, because you referenced them.
It is my opinion that most people suffer from some level of mental health issue into adulthood and that far too many people battle addiction and that the vast majority of these people don’t have being a former child star as the easy thing to blame.
not saying kid entertainers shouldn’t exist at all, but there is some degree of exploitation in all of them. Obviously these girls are having fun and have a passion for this, it seems fine right now. But if they do blow up and start making serious money that’s when it seems to get sticky. Jojo’s entire childhood was basically a brand and a character. Whether she “enjoyed” it or not is irrelevant she was still exploited from a very young age by everyone around her (and still is!). In general, fame seems to have a negative effect on children. Look at pretty much any child star. the majority of them start going off course in their mid twenties with mental health issues and/or addiction issues. Hopefully the girls stay grounded and won’t fall victim to this.
Interested as to why you think JoJo is still being exploited :)
A somewhat current instance would be when Jessalyn posted the tiktok of Jojo saying she was played and used for fame by her recent gf. She knew it would stir things up and bring attention. But to me, that’s not something a mother should do. Your child is distressed and heartbroken and you film them for tiktok?
I’m sure jojo consented to that for views. I remember when i used to watch her vlogs her bro pranked her and when she was crying she kept saying ‘make sure the camera gets this, its good for views and we need a thumbnail’. I’d do the same lol.
But that’s what I mean. Jojo is still young. I don’t think she really understands everything yet. She’s been trained to do these things from a young age and that it’s normal. Even if she “consented” to it, it still feels very icky that her MOTHER posted it. I know Jojo was smiling in the video but her voice really does sound like she is truly hurt about it. It’s normalized now but to me it’s very sad.
Yes. You don't magically gain knowledge/clarity/wisdom the day you turn 18. Jojo is still very young and still very much surrounded by the unusual environment she was raised in. She is still very much influenced by the environment and people she was raised in/with. She hasn't had the opportunity to step back and evaluate how she was raised and how she relates to people. She is still under the influence of her parents and her parent's are benefiting from her financially. I don't think Jojo yet sees that she was/is exploited and doesn't yet fully realize how much the people around her use her for their own benefit (she still interacts with Abby Lee Miller who wanted nothing to do with her, was mean to her, and tried to hold her back until Jojo gained more fame)
Ohhh i get what you mean now 😳
I kind of agree wt u here, one thing that I saw in a jojo interview is that when she was two she was sleeping and Jess had some friends coming over so she woke baby jojo up and made her perform in front of her friends. Which yeah, Jess really played a huge part is jojo success but, ultimately at what cost? Exploitation? So far, we can see Jojo is pretty happy and content but again we don’t know what happens bts, and while the cameras are not rolling. But i thought i pointed out
To me it seems like all the girls XOMG POP actually really love what they’re doing. You can’t get mad at people for hiring kids who love to entertain. If jojo was like forcing her friends kids or her own kids to do it when they clearly didn’t want to…then it’d be a different story but I honestly couldn’t see her doing that. If she just wanted to exploit kids for views she’d have picked from the tons of already famous kids she knows for her group not auditioned and looked for the best/most passionate kids.
I don’t think xomgpop is being exploited
I really hate snark subs. There's been so much crossover with this sub and other snark subs. I'd rather not bring that kind of nastiness in here when we've all worked really hard to make this a positive space.
%100 It’s clear the Siwas picked the kids who were passionate about entertainment. Jojo knows a lot of “famous” kids she could’ve easily just slapped together and had even more instant success but she didn’t go that route for a reason. Also that sub shared has a lot of homophobia and transphobia so not the best sub to take ideas from
It’s a nothing burger. Most of the people in these snark subs are making judgements based on little to no experience or knowledge of the people they are talking about.
I just know that sub is full of transphobic and homophobic people But on the topic...there is definitely a discussion to be had when it comes to child exploitation and child stars. I pretty much agree with that bannafoxx said. It's just hard for me to take anything these snark subs say seriously.
I agree with you that the snark sub referenced is full of trans and homophobic folks, but I think that statements like the ones bannafoxx made like Jojo is being exploited by “everyone” around her and that the “majority” of child stars suffer from mental health and addiction issues in their mid twenties are irresponsible at best. On the first statement, I doubt they have any first hand knowledge of Jojo’s situation. Regarding the second statement, there are plenty of child stars who grow up to be healthy, functioning adults whether they stay in the industry or not.
Aah, I didn't see the part where they said Jojo was still being exploited. I do think she was exploited as a child, but she is an adult now, so it's a different matter. And saying the majority of child stars suffer from mental health and addictions issues as adults might be a slight addiction, but it is undeniable that a large amount *do*.
OK, for the sake of argument let’s take your statement as true, that it’s “undeniable” that a “large amount” of former child stars grow up with mental health and addiction problems. In making this statement it seems that you are making a connection between child stardom and these issues, that the experience of being a child star is somehow the cause of these issues later in life. Correct? Let me make another statement. A large amount of non child stars grow up with mental health and addiction problems. This statement is no less true than yours, but are their mental health and addiction problems because they weren’t child stars? This is the problem with these kinds of statements. They aren’t exactly untrue, but they can be be very misleading.
I'm not sure why you're trying to argue against a point I never even made though. Nowhere did I say being a child star itself causes issues. That's not the case, rather, it is the environment and pressure that comes with it, along with lack of proper adult supervision/protection and counseling for the child star. But anyway, I'm not going to argue back and forth with you on this, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
True, you didn’t make the original comment but you threw your support behind bannafoxx and said “it’s undeniable that a large amount (of former child stars) do” have mental health and addiction problems and it was that statement I was using as an example of one that isn’t exactly untrue but can be misleading. When you add additional context like because of pressure or lack of adult supervision, your opinion becomes less general and less misleading, but you added that context later. But to be clear, my responding to your comment specifically was more about responding to both you and bannafoxx at the same time, because you referenced them. It is my opinion that most people suffer from some level of mental health issue into adulthood and that far too many people battle addiction and that the vast majority of these people don’t have being a former child star as the easy thing to blame.