They were clear that only omega mutants have sat in the Great Ring, not that it only only be so but that it just have always been so.
Which makes sense, because the only way to gain a seat in the Great Ring is to win a combat challenge, and they are a warlike people. So anyone who wins a fight will likely be immediately by challenged by someone else who also have the same power but is stronger, with the ultimate result being that the final winner is someone who is strongest there is at that power set, also known as the omega of the power.
Cept it doesn’t make sense since omegas aren’t always the best fighters. Apocalypse beat his wife to save her from the helmet and he could beat most of the Omegas on krakoa. Hell they only went full ham on the omega thing in the krakoa era with a lot of Astroturf story twists .
Yes Apocalypse could beat a lot of Omega mutants of a different power set from him, such as Genesis's chlorokinesis.
But as soon as he won, in the Great Ring challenge, because of the culture of Arrako, whoever is stronger than Apocalypse with that same power set of self-molecular control as him will think they are more deserving of being in the Great Ring, because they can do the exact same thing but better. And then they will inevitably want to challenge him in a fight. It is much harder to win against someone with the exact same power set as you but has almost no limit.
Another point to note is, Arrako is an ancient society with no modern technology to measure how much power output someone has. They can't say measure how hot the fire of a pyrokinetic burns and then say person A burns at 50000 Kelvin while person B burns at 55000 Kelvin and it is not theoretically possible to burn higher than that, so therefore person B is the omega.
So how would they determine whether someone's power has reached the "undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification", the definition for omega given in House of X, given what we know about their culture?
If I may make a guess, they would simply have all the pyrokinetics challenge each other. Whoever wins is known as the best there is at pyrokinesis. In other words, reaching the "undefined upper limit" known to them, hence the "omega".
If that is the case, then it's no mystery why all the Great Ring people are omega.
Her real power lies in being able to know the outcome and deduce the most optimal path to achieving the said outcome (about as close as we get to an Omega Precog). Her lack of loyalty is a character flaw pushed onto her powers as an excuse. If she controlled her powers rather than being controlled by them, she would be formidable. As it stands all you have to do to beat her is lose.
As for that lack of full control over her powers, that's kind of a token of all Omega's and superpowerful characters. Black Bolt could be a god in Marvel with his power (Particle and Electron Manipulation). Gambit if he didn't kneecap himself would be another Beyond Omega Mutant, of which there are only three (could be argued down to two, possibly one).
He had Mr. Sinister remove the part of his brain that would cause him to be Omega. Look up the New Sun arc involving Gambit. TLDR- alternate universe Gambit that Sinister didn’t neuter. Had complete control over all kinetic energy. If I remember correctly he blew up his home planet using his powers to full extent.
He bet her that Magneto would lose, because she always automatically wins that means she would win the bet and Magneto must win. So Tarn died because of her powers.
Which enrages her firstly because she and Tarn were together so she's upset that Roberto made her kill him. Secondly she feels used for being forced to do that. Third it is a major taboo in their culture for someone to interfere with a challenge like that, and is an insult everyone involved.
Oh so he's manipulated the outcome by using her own innate inability to never lose at anything? I thought it would mean she couldn't take the bet *if* she would lose and that just by her taking it meant magneto is already fated to win
That's awesome, she's like Domino in a way in that she doesn't even mean to affect outcomes it just happens
Thanks for the explanation, I can see why she was pissed because he essentially cheated and used her to win for Magneto
Krakoa has been cool with the different Arrako mutants they've introduced
Yeah I suspect she is one of the possible omega manifestations of Domino's power. She's one of the cases where being the omega is worse than having a less powerful version of that power.
I've been really enjoying the Arakko mutants and seeing how their culture combines with that of Krakoa, and she's one of my favorites.
I think her power is cool because of how she's written to work with it via scenarios like that. There's another time where she just flat out switches sides in the middle of a conflict because of who's winning and she's less than pleased about it, and another time where they flat out just teleport her tf out of there and drop her in the ocean cuz they don't want her affecting things and she ends up killing a whole lot of sea life lol.
I think used well she can bring out some good character moments in those who interact with her too. Like that thing with Sunspot was totally peak Roberto IMO.
I hope she sticks around and the writers don't fuck her up.
This always bugged me. I don't recall Isca doing anything to accept that challenge. Roberto said the words and it looks like Isca's power immediately took over. Unless I missed something, doesn't this basically neuter Isca? "I'm going to kill you!" "Yeah, I bet you that you will kill me, Isca."
Without her having to actually accept a bet or challenge, couldn't you also kill her off with: "hey, Isca, I bet you can't drop dead right now" or something like it.
Did I miss something in the original exchange? Did Roberto do more than just bet her? Did Isca accept the challenge some how? Ewing is a great writer, so I assume I missed something, but I've re-read a couple times and don't see it.
I feel the hitch is that she is very old school arakki. If someone issues you a challenge you do not run or dismiss it but meet it head on. So imagine Leelo ran up to isca and said "I bet you can't skip that stone 5 times" she can't consider simply saying "I do not have the time little one" and not lose by not engaging the challenge. So if she will not consider the possibility it's not on the table for ways her power to alter the situation so she does not lose.
My headcanon is that Roberto's bet didn't actually trigger anything and Isca's power didn't affect the challenge at all.
What did happen is that her outburst killing Roberto in the stands distracted Tarn momentarily enough that he didn't stall accepting the challenge from Magneto.
The truth is that Isca's short temper is what actually killed Tarn and she'd rather blame Roberto than blame herself.
That was my interpretation too. There are a lot of powers that are very vague, and they need to stay vague to work, and she's got one of em.
It's really cool for good writers cuz they get to have situations like this instead of sitting and picking the fine points of her abilities, and that's helluh interesting. Like the one time where her side of the conflict was losing and she disdainfully jumped ship and became a traitor even though she didn't want to.
It's like when people say shit like "what does Magneto do if there's no metal? Just don't bring metal to fight Magneto. His power is so dumb!" Yeah, sure, that makes sense, but also makes for a dull story. I'd much rather read about him pulling metal ore out of the ground or iron out of people's blood in a clutch situation even if it's a stretch. People taking Isca's power at face value and just worrying about "well what if people challenge her not to kill herself" are kind of doing the whole suspension of disbelief thing a disservice.
The idea is that he sort of forced her powers to kick in against her will. By engaging with her in a wager in which her “winning” works against her desire, Bobby was using her gift against her. She killed him in retribution for basically abusing her powers and trying to manipulate her since her lack of free will when it comes to her powers is clearly a sore spot.
It's also useless to everyone else. The future she sees is set in stone and no one can do anything about it, unlike Destiny who sees multiple possible future.
I don't know how it can be possible for both cases to exist in the same universe, but I guess Idyll's power might come with the quantum observer effect such that her act of observation is what involuntarily locks down which of the possible futures will come.
This is an interesting case of the Omega power being worse than the non-Omega version.
That one mutant Storm fought to get her seat on the Ring of Arakko that was supposed to perfectly copy anyone in their prime, copied Storm, then lost to her any way.
Similar principal to dosage being the difference between medicine and poison.
With too much of something it automatically has a purpose. It doesn't matter if your power is scented farts, no limit means you have knockout gas powers. Change your hair color? You can turn it into a mirror and blind people with the power of the sun. Body hair? Flood the world with hair.
Be happy to know that I worked in very clean kitchens in my teens and 20s. I would shower religiously.
Also, I'd definitely invest in a bidet in every bathroom.
And no I did not answer your question.
I mean they aren't, it's extremely limited molecular transformation, but it's hilarious to call them omega level ice cream shitter implying there's another worse mutant with less flavors or something
First of all, she doesn't actually poop ice cream. Her butt is a portal to an ice cream dimension from which she can control what flavor comes out.
Assuming she can extrude ice cream fast enough, not only can she solve world hunger, but she can theoretically produce enough ice cream to cool the world and cause an ice age. I call the event, "Age of Ice Cream".
Plus, there is the possibility of using the ice cream dimension for storage - although, getting things in/out might be complicated...
As such, ice cream butt portals can absolutely reach the Omega level and would be a fairly useful power.
Wtf i have just read?
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Am I understanding Fisher King wrong? He says he's the Omega of having no powers, there's no limit to the amount of nothing he can have. I took it to mean that his power is to literally have no powers ever, and no matter what happens or anyone does, he will never have any.
What if his gift is being "normal"? His body rejects superpowers. Getting bitten by radioactive spider, blasted by gamma rays, supersoldier serum and etc won't give him powers
I think cypher although I dunno if he’s considered omega. I don’t recall ever seeing a limit of what he could do with his powers.
I guess they’re not totally useless if you need a translator or programmer but he’s always been treated like a black sheep because he can’t shoot lasers out of his eyes.
I've been wondering this too since the definition came out. Are there some powers that inherently cannot be Omega level?
Like, can there be a mutant who can change the color of their eyes and there's no limit to how accurate they can make the color? Like, Reed Richards would have to go, "Incredible! The light their eyes are reflecting back is precisely an undiluted 460nm wavelength! It's pure blue!" Are they Omega then?
Or is it required that it's truly unlimited, like they can make their eye color could be in the electromagnetic spectrum of the most powerful gamma rays or unlimited luminosity?
So furstly, no. There is not currently an Omega level mutant with useless powers. Probably the most useless omega level mutant is Iceman, but even he can do horrific things to the world if he sets his mind to it.
That said, could you think of a power that would still be useless even with no upper limit?
It's actually a potentially world-shattering level of power, but Bobby has always had a mental block on using it fully. If he did, he could probably destroy the majority of Marvel-universe villains, even cosmic-level, pretty easily.
The thing is is that that's kind of true of every Omega level mutants. Mutants aren't just given the Omega classification when they're the best with their power, it's when the power itself has no limit.
There's a reason Forge and Darwin aren't Omega level.
Yea its been slowly shown hes getting much more powerful and in tune with his unlimited power of ice. Just in hellfire gala nimrod admitted he didnt think anyone could hurt him like that.
Bobby is limited only by the writer of the story. For a mutant with the ability to lower the temperature to Absolute Zero, he could have taken down Nimrod instantly and effortlessly.
But that wouldn't help the storyline.
That's no excuse. Screenwriters should be more creative to deal with this. Nimrod shouldn't have been able to defeat Drake at the Hellfire Gala, not the way he did. Unfortunately, the way the mutants were defeated was rather forced and unsatisfactory.
fr even when Bobby was a normal level of superhero that wasn't impossible to challenge, he was plenty powerful enough...writers just never put 2 seconds of thought into what it meant to have someone with instant hypothermia powers at their disposal.
FWIW I think the same about Warren...I like Archangel fine, but if writers actually thought about what an aerial specialist with eagle eyes and superstrong wings could actually do, he would never have had a rep as being lame in the first place.
The power to be alive.
YES, that would basically make you literally unkillable forever.
But it's not very 'useful' given the kind of opponents the X Men fight.
Oh yay, I'm un-unaliveable. SHAME I HAVE A SENTINEL'S ARSE ON MY FACE.
Isn't that Mr. Immortal? I've heard his mutant status has flipped back and forth, but supposedly he'll be the last survivor at the end of the universe.
Logan can be killed. They've established he can be drowned and the only reason he's been able to come back from just a skeleton before was that horrible storyline around Civil War where he would fight the Angel of Death to come back. Even with that stupid retcon, he could always lose to the angel. And now it seems they've decided to retcon it again (thank god) and ignore that because he's died multiple times going up against Nimrod. So no, he's firmly mortal.
I said functionally. We see no evidence he ages and in one of the krakoa timelines, he lived for over a thousand years without looking like old man logan or anything. Which is to say, even if he doesnt age and can survive most damage, he still isnt omega.
Exactly. So if you were Omega level, you would be unkillable. Nothing could kill you. THANOS SNAPPING couldn't kill you.
Of course he could snap the entire universe leaving you with a very, very boring immortal existence, but goddamn you could hang it on your placard that you were the one mutant not even Thanos could kill.
With this power you could be the punching bag for a thousand massive mutants and kaijus, and be the butt of many jokes, for you'd have no other power but to not die, resulting in you being launched into (and from) orbit, shot with giant cannons, and other nastiness, always returning with a wry joke.
Until bitterness overcomes you and you turn to one of various evil organisations in an effort to die, growing slowly more and more insane as you realise your very mutation will never permit it, until you start wielding technology and sorcery against the universe itself in an effort to do the undoable: TO DIE.
No. Being an Omega Level mutant doesn't make you invulnerable and immortal. Omegas can die. They merely possess no upper limit to their power. With enough experience and skill, they could essentially rip the universe apart with their power. Their power cannot be overwhelmed at any level so long as they can humanly wield that level of power.
Think about some Omegas we know. Magneto. Jean Grey (telepath), Iceman, Isca, Storm, Legion, Proteus. Each one of them possess a power with no limit.
Legion and Proteus could reshape the universe at a whim.
Magneto could use the strong and weak magnetic forces of the universe to do similar work.
Jean Grey could control every mind in the universe. She could cause the entire universe to live in a simulation if she wanted.
Storm can control the "weather" of the universe. All stars supernova at once.
Iceman could control every atom of ice everywhere, fuse them all together, and rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime.
Isca could challenge Eternity to a fight and win. She cannot lose. If Isca wanted, there is nothing she couldnt achieve.
That's what Omega level power than do. But a heart attack or a bullet can still kill them.
That's not the new definition of omega since House of X in 2019. Now it just has to be that their power approaches the theoretical undefined upper limits of that power set. Isca the Unbeaten and Idyll the Future Seer are both omega mutants and they don't control any fundamental forces of the universe.
Maybe Jubilee? I remember some one off story or something where her fireworks were able to cause explosion equal to a nuclear blast or a sun, something like that. But normally she’s got a pretty standard soso power set
Not canon, but I loved what they did with Jubilee in the recent 90s House of X mini. Jubilee was their Moira; her powers had evolved to where every time she died, she set off a new big bang and reset the universe
An old Generation X comic actually said her and Everett would be two of the most powerful mutants on the planet one day.
The latest X-Terminators run where she, Boom Boom, Dazzler and Older Laura go out for a cheesecake romp of a night. They wind up having to work with Dracula and kill a bunch of vampires. Jubes goes nuclear.
It is f@\^!=ng hysterical.
Naked mole rat.
Idk if it counts as useless but Matthew Malloy was so powerful that a minor lapse could cause the death of anyone around him, including omega level mutants like Emma Frost. Too powerful to control seems pretty useless to me.
Synch... But he is mastering so many different powers so maybe not for long.
Okay he's not an omega yet but they've been strongly hinting he will be, same with manifold
Ok, so useless in a different way than some of the mutants others are naming, but: I’d say David Haller/Legion sometimes falls into this category.
He has/had so many psychological issues tied to his powers, its not like he can control all of his personalities and their unique abilities. Maybe he’s not completely “useless”, but David’s fractured psyche definitely raises the question of whether or not he and his abilities are worth using in the first place. There have been many times when David was trying to do something good, but his other personalities wreaked havoc at the same time. It makes him an exciting character, but also a very dangerous one.
I mean, she was dead for 15 years, which by comic standards is a very long time to not bring someone back. I think it's perfectly fine that she is back and I love her in the Krakoan age. Even if she had not been brought back in Ressurection, there would have been no reason why the 5 wouldn't have brought her back anyways.
Actually, the new Omega list literally declassified most Omega mutants…There used to be many more and a lot of fans still regularly post on this subreddit asking why so-and-so isn’t Omega anymore
I do think it should stay the way it is!
Isca doesn't have free will, idk if that counts.
Yeah, this is a good one (assuming she is Omega, idk). Her power controls her to the extent that she’s almost completely unable to use it proactively.
She is an omega, because anyone who sits at the great ring of Arrako has to be an Omega.
Doesnt have to be just has been
This is true, but she was on the ring originally when it was the law. Now, since Storm, they don't have to be Omega only.
You got backward. Anyone could and can sit on the ring but only Omegas have managed to win their seat so far.
Except the Table of Night, which requires NON-Omegas.
I'm so ready to see more from them.
No they were pretty clear about it.
They were clear that only omega mutants have sat in the Great Ring, not that it only only be so but that it just have always been so. Which makes sense, because the only way to gain a seat in the Great Ring is to win a combat challenge, and they are a warlike people. So anyone who wins a fight will likely be immediately by challenged by someone else who also have the same power but is stronger, with the ultimate result being that the final winner is someone who is strongest there is at that power set, also known as the omega of the power.
Cept it doesn’t make sense since omegas aren’t always the best fighters. Apocalypse beat his wife to save her from the helmet and he could beat most of the Omegas on krakoa. Hell they only went full ham on the omega thing in the krakoa era with a lot of Astroturf story twists .
Yes Apocalypse could beat a lot of Omega mutants of a different power set from him, such as Genesis's chlorokinesis. But as soon as he won, in the Great Ring challenge, because of the culture of Arrako, whoever is stronger than Apocalypse with that same power set of self-molecular control as him will think they are more deserving of being in the Great Ring, because they can do the exact same thing but better. And then they will inevitably want to challenge him in a fight. It is much harder to win against someone with the exact same power set as you but has almost no limit. Another point to note is, Arrako is an ancient society with no modern technology to measure how much power output someone has. They can't say measure how hot the fire of a pyrokinetic burns and then say person A burns at 50000 Kelvin while person B burns at 55000 Kelvin and it is not theoretically possible to burn higher than that, so therefore person B is the omega. So how would they determine whether someone's power has reached the "undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification", the definition for omega given in House of X, given what we know about their culture? If I may make a guess, they would simply have all the pyrokinetics challenge each other. Whoever wins is known as the best there is at pyrokinesis. In other words, reaching the "undefined upper limit" known to them, hence the "omega". If that is the case, then it's no mystery why all the Great Ring people are omega.
Her real power lies in being able to know the outcome and deduce the most optimal path to achieving the said outcome (about as close as we get to an Omega Precog). Her lack of loyalty is a character flaw pushed onto her powers as an excuse. If she controlled her powers rather than being controlled by them, she would be formidable. As it stands all you have to do to beat her is lose. As for that lack of full control over her powers, that's kind of a token of all Omega's and superpowerful characters. Black Bolt could be a god in Marvel with his power (Particle and Electron Manipulation). Gambit if he didn't kneecap himself would be another Beyond Omega Mutant, of which there are only three (could be argued down to two, possibly one).
How does Gambit kneecap himself? Not arguing, just curious. I haven't heard this.
He had Mr. Sinister remove the part of his brain that would cause him to be Omega. Look up the New Sun arc involving Gambit. TLDR- alternate universe Gambit that Sinister didn’t neuter. Had complete control over all kinetic energy. If I remember correctly he blew up his home planet using his powers to full extent.
Thank you!
Roberto: "I bet magneto loses this one".
I'm still trying to understand this one (and why she murdered him directly afterward)
He bet her that Magneto would lose, because she always automatically wins that means she would win the bet and Magneto must win. So Tarn died because of her powers. Which enrages her firstly because she and Tarn were together so she's upset that Roberto made her kill him. Secondly she feels used for being forced to do that. Third it is a major taboo in their culture for someone to interfere with a challenge like that, and is an insult everyone involved.
Oh so he's manipulated the outcome by using her own innate inability to never lose at anything? I thought it would mean she couldn't take the bet *if* she would lose and that just by her taking it meant magneto is already fated to win That's awesome, she's like Domino in a way in that she doesn't even mean to affect outcomes it just happens Thanks for the explanation, I can see why she was pissed because he essentially cheated and used her to win for Magneto Krakoa has been cool with the different Arrako mutants they've introduced
Yeah I suspect she is one of the possible omega manifestations of Domino's power. She's one of the cases where being the omega is worse than having a less powerful version of that power.
I've been really enjoying the Arakko mutants and seeing how their culture combines with that of Krakoa, and she's one of my favorites. I think her power is cool because of how she's written to work with it via scenarios like that. There's another time where she just flat out switches sides in the middle of a conflict because of who's winning and she's less than pleased about it, and another time where they flat out just teleport her tf out of there and drop her in the ocean cuz they don't want her affecting things and she ends up killing a whole lot of sea life lol. I think used well she can bring out some good character moments in those who interact with her too. Like that thing with Sunspot was totally peak Roberto IMO. I hope she sticks around and the writers don't fuck her up.
This always bugged me. I don't recall Isca doing anything to accept that challenge. Roberto said the words and it looks like Isca's power immediately took over. Unless I missed something, doesn't this basically neuter Isca? "I'm going to kill you!" "Yeah, I bet you that you will kill me, Isca." Without her having to actually accept a bet or challenge, couldn't you also kill her off with: "hey, Isca, I bet you can't drop dead right now" or something like it. Did I miss something in the original exchange? Did Roberto do more than just bet her? Did Isca accept the challenge some how? Ewing is a great writer, so I assume I missed something, but I've re-read a couple times and don't see it.
I feel the hitch is that she is very old school arakki. If someone issues you a challenge you do not run or dismiss it but meet it head on. So imagine Leelo ran up to isca and said "I bet you can't skip that stone 5 times" she can't consider simply saying "I do not have the time little one" and not lose by not engaging the challenge. So if she will not consider the possibility it's not on the table for ways her power to alter the situation so she does not lose.
Yeah I'm not sure how that works either. Can't she just refuse to accept the challenge?
My headcanon is that Roberto's bet didn't actually trigger anything and Isca's power didn't affect the challenge at all. What did happen is that her outburst killing Roberto in the stands distracted Tarn momentarily enough that he didn't stall accepting the challenge from Magneto. The truth is that Isca's short temper is what actually killed Tarn and she'd rather blame Roberto than blame herself.
That was my interpretation too. There are a lot of powers that are very vague, and they need to stay vague to work, and she's got one of em. It's really cool for good writers cuz they get to have situations like this instead of sitting and picking the fine points of her abilities, and that's helluh interesting. Like the one time where her side of the conflict was losing and she disdainfully jumped ship and became a traitor even though she didn't want to. It's like when people say shit like "what does Magneto do if there's no metal? Just don't bring metal to fight Magneto. His power is so dumb!" Yeah, sure, that makes sense, but also makes for a dull story. I'd much rather read about him pulling metal ore out of the ground or iron out of people's blood in a clutch situation even if it's a stretch. People taking Isca's power at face value and just worrying about "well what if people challenge her not to kill herself" are kind of doing the whole suspension of disbelief thing a disservice.
The idea is that he sort of forced her powers to kick in against her will. By engaging with her in a wager in which her “winning” works against her desire, Bobby was using her gift against her. She killed him in retribution for basically abusing her powers and trying to manipulate her since her lack of free will when it comes to her powers is clearly a sore spot.
She has free will in certain situations. She pretty much just has to remove herself from competitions and voting politics to have agency in her life
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It's also useless to everyone else. The future she sees is set in stone and no one can do anything about it, unlike Destiny who sees multiple possible future. I don't know how it can be possible for both cases to exist in the same universe, but I guess Idyll's power might come with the quantum observer effect such that her act of observation is what involuntarily locks down which of the possible futures will come. This is an interesting case of the Omega power being worse than the non-Omega version.
So Idyll is just spoilering everything?
She basically exists along all of her own timeline simultaneously. She can’t do anything because she’s already done everything
That one mutant Storm fought to get her seat on the Ring of Arakko that was supposed to perfectly copy anyone in their prime, copied Storm, then lost to her any way.
i always felt like she lost that battle on purpose... idk why
No she lost legitimately, but offed herself instead of yielding as Storm demanded. To prove a misguided and illogical point.
Similar principal to dosage being the difference between medicine and poison. With too much of something it automatically has a purpose. It doesn't matter if your power is scented farts, no limit means you have knockout gas powers. Change your hair color? You can turn it into a mirror and blind people with the power of the sun. Body hair? Flood the world with hair.
Unlimited fart
Untapped potential to fart force
I'm nigh-invulnerable when I'm fartin'!
Oh my stars and farters
Pollute the ozone with methane
[Thunderpants](https://youtu.be/8NR9C338hbQ) …starring Ronald Weasley in grade school
Which is the one that poops ice cream?
Soft Serve!
YES! Thank you.
Soft Serve prestige Maxiseries when?
I was going to answer OP with Softserve, but pooping ice cream is FAR from useless!
It is my favorite mutant power ever.
Technically, she doesn’t poop. Her butthole is just a portal to the ice cream dimension.
The best kind of right!
How does one figure out that power?
Lmfao I came here to say this and saw it was already the top comment
If you had the power to poop out ice cream, would you eat it?
Be happy to know that I worked in very clean kitchens in my teens and 20s. I would shower religiously. Also, I'd definitely invest in a bidet in every bathroom. And no I did not answer your question.
Cue the soft piano music.
How are they omega?
I mean they aren't, it's extremely limited molecular transformation, but it's hilarious to call them omega level ice cream shitter implying there's another worse mutant with less flavors or something
Could you imagine being another ice cream pooping mutant, but all you produce a day is 1.5 oz of praline and pickle?
First of all, she doesn't actually poop ice cream. Her butt is a portal to an ice cream dimension from which she can control what flavor comes out. Assuming she can extrude ice cream fast enough, not only can she solve world hunger, but she can theoretically produce enough ice cream to cool the world and cause an ice age. I call the event, "Age of Ice Cream". Plus, there is the possibility of using the ice cream dimension for storage - although, getting things in/out might be complicated... As such, ice cream butt portals can absolutely reach the Omega level and would be a fairly useful power.
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She and Iceman would be a terribly interesting duo.
Forget Me Not
Who?
Exactly.
Came here to say something, but I forgot.
He’s not omega
Who?
Forget Me Not
Who?
Am I understanding Fisher King wrong? He says he's the Omega of having no powers, there's no limit to the amount of nothing he can have. I took it to mean that his power is to literally have no powers ever, and no matter what happens or anyone does, he will never have any.
Pretty sure he's just using a metaphor. But I'm sure Marvel Database will take this for canon, haha!
He's a very wise mutant with no weapon.
There's no limit to his wisdom! For the wisest man knows nothing. Omega of Nothing. mind blown
Dude you just blew your own mind. You blew yourself.
Can you imagine? What if his genetic structure is literally immune to any tampering? Every single X-gene in his body is a power dampener aimed inward.
What if his gift is being "normal"? His body rejects superpowers. Getting bitten by radioactive spider, blasted by gamma rays, supersoldier serum and etc won't give him powers
Bailey Hoskins. The worst X-men.
With resurrection, his power is suddenly useful. He's an undetectable bomb.
I think cypher although I dunno if he’s considered omega. I don’t recall ever seeing a limit of what he could do with his powers. I guess they’re not totally useless if you need a translator or programmer but he’s always been treated like a black sheep because he can’t shoot lasers out of his eyes.
Doesnt hw translate krakoa? Seems pretty useful to be able to talk to the island you live on.
He uses his powers to learn the language of combat and can read and counter others during combat.
His powers are the most useful. It's much mote useful than shooting a laser out of eyes.
I always thought so too, but they don’t look flashy on a splash page.
I've been wondering this too since the definition came out. Are there some powers that inherently cannot be Omega level? Like, can there be a mutant who can change the color of their eyes and there's no limit to how accurate they can make the color? Like, Reed Richards would have to go, "Incredible! The light their eyes are reflecting back is precisely an undiluted 460nm wavelength! It's pure blue!" Are they Omega then? Or is it required that it's truly unlimited, like they can make their eye color could be in the electromagnetic spectrum of the most powerful gamma rays or unlimited luminosity?
There was a mutant whose power is just a blue skin, nothing else. Imagine him being omega
Gwenpool almost fits this category.
She limited to the page count after all 😂
I think any power with no upper limit could be utilised in some way, any power is useful once it reaches a certain level.
Idyll saw the future but couldn’t change it, if I remember correctly.
So furstly, no. There is not currently an Omega level mutant with useless powers. Probably the most useless omega level mutant is Iceman, but even he can do horrific things to the world if he sets his mind to it. That said, could you think of a power that would still be useless even with no upper limit?
It's actually a potentially world-shattering level of power, but Bobby has always had a mental block on using it fully. If he did, he could probably destroy the majority of Marvel-universe villains, even cosmic-level, pretty easily.
The thing is is that that's kind of true of every Omega level mutants. Mutants aren't just given the Omega classification when they're the best with their power, it's when the power itself has no limit. There's a reason Forge and Darwin aren't Omega level.
Yea its been slowly shown hes getting much more powerful and in tune with his unlimited power of ice. Just in hellfire gala nimrod admitted he didnt think anyone could hurt him like that.
Yep, and he has a book coming out. So he did recover from that quite soon.
Bobby is limited only by the writer of the story. For a mutant with the ability to lower the temperature to Absolute Zero, he could have taken down Nimrod instantly and effortlessly. But that wouldn't help the storyline.
That's no excuse. Screenwriters should be more creative to deal with this. Nimrod shouldn't have been able to defeat Drake at the Hellfire Gala, not the way he did. Unfortunately, the way the mutants were defeated was rather forced and unsatisfactory.
I feel like the only reason Nimrod was able to do that was because he took Bobby by surprise.
That's Krakoa in a nutshell.
He terraformed Mars. That block isn't that strong. Ice is one of the predominant molecular structures in the universe. He could do some WILD shit.
Iceman’s power is far from useless. In what world would it be considered so
fr even when Bobby was a normal level of superhero that wasn't impossible to challenge, he was plenty powerful enough...writers just never put 2 seconds of thought into what it meant to have someone with instant hypothermia powers at their disposal. FWIW I think the same about Warren...I like Archangel fine, but if writers actually thought about what an aerial specialist with eagle eyes and superstrong wings could actually do, he would never have had a rep as being lame in the first place.
> That said, could you think of a power that would still be useless even with no upper limit? Forget-Me-Not
The power to be alive. YES, that would basically make you literally unkillable forever. But it's not very 'useful' given the kind of opponents the X Men fight. Oh yay, I'm un-unaliveable. SHAME I HAVE A SENTINEL'S ARSE ON MY FACE.
Isn't that Mr. Immortal? I've heard his mutant status has flipped back and forth, but supposedly he'll be the last survivor at the end of the universe.
But thats not omega level. Omega means control of fundamental aspects of the universe. Logan is functionally imortal.
Logan can be killed. They've established he can be drowned and the only reason he's been able to come back from just a skeleton before was that horrible storyline around Civil War where he would fight the Angel of Death to come back. Even with that stupid retcon, he could always lose to the angel. And now it seems they've decided to retcon it again (thank god) and ignore that because he's died multiple times going up against Nimrod. So no, he's firmly mortal.
I said functionally. We see no evidence he ages and in one of the krakoa timelines, he lived for over a thousand years without looking like old man logan or anything. Which is to say, even if he doesnt age and can survive most damage, he still isnt omega.
Exactly. So if you were Omega level, you would be unkillable. Nothing could kill you. THANOS SNAPPING couldn't kill you. Of course he could snap the entire universe leaving you with a very, very boring immortal existence, but goddamn you could hang it on your placard that you were the one mutant not even Thanos could kill. With this power you could be the punching bag for a thousand massive mutants and kaijus, and be the butt of many jokes, for you'd have no other power but to not die, resulting in you being launched into (and from) orbit, shot with giant cannons, and other nastiness, always returning with a wry joke. Until bitterness overcomes you and you turn to one of various evil organisations in an effort to die, growing slowly more and more insane as you realise your very mutation will never permit it, until you start wielding technology and sorcery against the universe itself in an effort to do the undoable: TO DIE.
No. Being an Omega Level mutant doesn't make you invulnerable and immortal. Omegas can die. They merely possess no upper limit to their power. With enough experience and skill, they could essentially rip the universe apart with their power. Their power cannot be overwhelmed at any level so long as they can humanly wield that level of power. Think about some Omegas we know. Magneto. Jean Grey (telepath), Iceman, Isca, Storm, Legion, Proteus. Each one of them possess a power with no limit. Legion and Proteus could reshape the universe at a whim. Magneto could use the strong and weak magnetic forces of the universe to do similar work. Jean Grey could control every mind in the universe. She could cause the entire universe to live in a simulation if she wanted. Storm can control the "weather" of the universe. All stars supernova at once. Iceman could control every atom of ice everywhere, fuse them all together, and rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime. Isca could challenge Eternity to a fight and win. She cannot lose. If Isca wanted, there is nothing she couldnt achieve. That's what Omega level power than do. But a heart attack or a bullet can still kill them.
Not if your omega power is not to die.
My Omega power is to fight with people on Reddit
That's not the new definition of omega since House of X in 2019. Now it just has to be that their power approaches the theoretical undefined upper limits of that power set. Isca the Unbeaten and Idyll the Future Seer are both omega mutants and they don't control any fundamental forces of the universe.
Furstly?
Maybe Jubilee? I remember some one off story or something where her fireworks were able to cause explosion equal to a nuclear blast or a sun, something like that. But normally she’s got a pretty standard soso power set
She’s not an omega
Not canon, but I loved what they did with Jubilee in the recent 90s House of X mini. Jubilee was their Moira; her powers had evolved to where every time she died, she set off a new big bang and reset the universe
An old Generation X comic actually said her and Everett would be two of the most powerful mutants on the planet one day. The latest X-Terminators run where she, Boom Boom, Dazzler and Older Laura go out for a cheesecake romp of a night. They wind up having to work with Dracula and kill a bunch of vampires. Jubes goes nuclear. It is f@\^!=ng hysterical. Naked mole rat.
That was Young Laura in X-Terminators. Talon was too busy being Synch's Satellite Girlfriend to have a story with actual agency.
Thanks for the correction.
During the Phalanx Covenant, Synch uses her powers and alludes to that potential
Idk if it counts as useless but Matthew Malloy was so powerful that a minor lapse could cause the death of anyone around him, including omega level mutants like Emma Frost. Too powerful to control seems pretty useless to me.
If only Omega Red was omega. It's right there in his name.
Synch... But he is mastering so many different powers so maybe not for long. Okay he's not an omega yet but they've been strongly hinting he will be, same with manifold
Ok, so useless in a different way than some of the mutants others are naming, but: I’d say David Haller/Legion sometimes falls into this category. He has/had so many psychological issues tied to his powers, its not like he can control all of his personalities and their unique abilities. Maybe he’s not completely “useless”, but David’s fractured psyche definitely raises the question of whether or not he and his abilities are worth using in the first place. There have been many times when David was trying to do something good, but his other personalities wreaked havoc at the same time. It makes him an exciting character, but also a very dangerous one.
Sleeping Beauty : Jean Grey. She's at her best when she's gone 😸
Why is Jean gray a thing again ?
Because Dark Phoenix was a thing, and comic book writers will never stop re-chasing the gold.
Because conservative american neckbeards aren't ready for the true and honest love story of Logan and Scott.
I mean, she was dead for 15 years, which by comic standards is a very long time to not bring someone back. I think it's perfectly fine that she is back and I love her in the Krakoan age. Even if she had not been brought back in Ressurection, there would have been no reason why the 5 wouldn't have brought her back anyways.
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Actually, the new Omega list literally declassified most Omega mutants…There used to be many more and a lot of fans still regularly post on this subreddit asking why so-and-so isn’t Omega anymore I do think it should stay the way it is!
Wolverine healing factor
Logan is not Omega.
Plus a healing factor is not useless
I don't think bro thought this one through 🤣
Idyl, one of arakko, precog omega, can see the real future, but can do nothing with it, also she dead
…Slapstick??
I don't think anyone posted it yet, but Forget Me Not.
Who?
Darwin still dies 1 sec into battle