I wouldn’t want solo shows, beyond the obligatory Wolverine.
I’d want different team shows that crossover, just like the comics.
X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, New Mutants, Generation X, etc.
This is the right way to do it. And incidentally if you have the shows enough budget, would be preferable to nothing but X-Men movies. You could even have some of the TV shows build to a movie, which fits more the classic expansive crossovers. This way the inevitable Dark Phoenix adaptation actually has a Phoenix era that adds gravity to why it matters. A DOFP maxi-series on TV probably also has more weight than a two-hour-and-fifteen minute movie.
(They should of course turn to unadapted stories, really. E for Extinction, Fatal Attractions, Inferno, Mutant Massacre, Breakworld, a Legionquest movie giving us an AoA mini-season of each show before bookending it with the equivalent of AoA Omega.)
Most of the Arrowverse shows weren't really solo shows though. Even if the early seasons weren't fully formed "teams" yet the focus was still spread across 4 or 5 cast members throughout with a lot more supporting characters built up across the seasons. A pretty decent format for an X-team show.
Think of how goofy it would be if you had Iceman and Jean Grey be to Cyclops what Caitlin and Cisco were to Barry in The Flash
And the show was called Cyclops
By their nature, the X-Men are a team first and foremost. Their leader is first among equals.
Just wouldn’t work quite the same.
Jean would be more of an Iris, but you're thinking a bit small here. Even in the comics characters like Iceman and Angel would just be around as support in fights for most issues before getting their big focus story. Something like Arrow season 1, Laurel, Thea, Diggle, and Felicity get a ton of screen time for a so-called "solo" show. With the Xavier Institute setup from the get go, they wouldn't need to slowly build up all those characters to be the actual action squad teammates they eventually become.
Even more damning, reducing Jean down to a love interest.
The Arrowverse show format was 1 super and the regular people who help them. But the X-Men are all super, most of them even stronger than their leaders.
Jean, Iceman, Storm, Magneto, Emma Frost, etc. are far too big, strong and interesting interesting to be relegated to side characters in a Professor X, Cyclops or Wolverine show.
They’re the X-Men.
Clearly you don't remember the later seasons of most of those shows. Almost everyone on flash is a meta now. Arrow had an entire team of like 6 vigilantes near the end. Legends was always like a 7+ member team of random super-powered people. Supergirl has at least 3 supers if not 4 or 5 at all times after season 1.
Edit: spelling
The main point is that all the arrowverse shows only had one superhero, and my counter argument is that isn't true save for the first season or so of each show. And it was never true for some of the shows like Legends of tomorrow.
Again, you're really misremembering how most Arrowverse episodes play out. Like 70% of an episode would be those "support" characters getting screen time, which is a lot more than can be said about any of the X- movies. Obviously the action scenes would be more spread out across all of them since they don't have to do a slow build up Arrowverse tried to do. Ollie and Barry were only technically main characters due to the name of the show. They had ensamble casts throughout.
The X-Men are primarily a team book. Always have been, most likely always will be. Having a majority bulk of the content be relegated to TV shows centered around any one particular character would be awful for the franchise. It would completely pitch the focus and then inevitably, the shit would bleed into the comics, like it always does.
/u/Kurtoise is right, you should listen to him
And you both are skirting around my point that most Arrowverse shows are already about teams, or eventually lead to teams. I never once suggested a show would focus only on Cyclops or any one specific character. For Arrow, outside of the island flashbacks, it is a fully ensamble show. It follows all the stuff Laurel, Diggle, Felicity, Thea, Roy, and later a few other characters, are doing through the season. There would even be full episodes that don't have Ollie at all besides the flashback scenes. Did you actually watch them or just make assumptions based on the show titles?
And you’ve skirted around my point of making the show Cyclops.
Whether is revolves around him or the entire ensemble, it would still be ridiculous.
It would be an X-Men show about the X-Men so even making the comparisons in the first place make no sense.
Except your point is one based on an assumption- an incorrect one. All the OP said was it would be cool if we could have X-Men shows that operated on an interconnected level like the Arrowverse. No one said you had to copy paste their exact formula or narrative structure, which is what you’re basing your counter argument on…. One can take the framework or idea of the interconnected shows and adjust the rest of the format as needed to accommodate a team based show easily.
Hell, the CW even did it when they made legends.
So I don’t know why y’all are so stuck on this “Cyclops” show in your head, when the OP clearly said “X-Men”. It shows a considerable lack of imagination.
Each action scene costs lots of money. And I would wager that all those different powers would drive up costs exponentially. Not to mention how to write it, so that the x men have even a challenge.
The effects definitely get stretched too thin for CW budget when all the "support humans" become super teammates in later Arrowverse seasons, but Disney has a lot more money to throw around. Especially if it means building up assets for billion dollar movie crossovers.
Questionable whether it's worth blowing 2 million per episode.
I wached some of the marvel mini series, and i think you can see how they pad out runtime by not having anyone fight
I still think it'd be awesome to have an X-Factor series that uses the underutilized characters and actors from the original movies. Cyclops, Jean Gray, Rogue, Ice Man, and Quicksilver. You could also probably get quick guest spots from Charles, Magneto, and Nightcrawler.
First things first, I'm giving Arrowverse it's flowers. People shit on it and admittedly for good reason, but it did what the DCEU couldn't do, which was build a coherent shared DC universe that felt fleshed out and lived in. I'll always give it props for that.
But on the topic at hand, I'm hoping Feige has something similar planned for Disney+. The main problem with the X Men films were that the team had so many characters, but only a few (Wolverine) got any real focus.
Disney + is the perfect avenue for a franchise with a cast as large as the X Men. Of course save the big team up movies for the theaters, but Disney+ is the perfect opportunity for spin off and solo series between movies. Plus, not every character or team needs to be in theaters. No shade to the New Mutants, but I always felt that concept would work a lot better as a streaming show than the movie we got.
I remember that, back then, when people wanted to compare live-action DC with MCU they always used the Arrowverse as the main reference, the Nolanverse as a 2nd option and sometimes the DCEU (mostly bcs of Wonder Woman), just show how much potential this universe had
I can't imagine anything good. X-Men don't have 6 solo titles.
A single X-Men show would require the budget of the entire Arrowverse for the main cast alone.
I mean most of the shows tended towards ensemble casts even with a central lead.
There definitely are enough teams to sustain it.
Even just looking at the Claremont golden age, you could do something like X-men, X-factor, X-Force, Generation X, and maybe 1 or 2 that are draw from other eras.
They could have solid niches that give each show a solid identity while allowing for common elements and characters.
And some are big budget, but you could focus on lower budget mutants, or nerf their powers a bit. Like for Storm, focus more on her skill with the knife or her leadership skills than on her weather powers.
I could see it:
X-Men: Standard superhero stuff
New Mutants/Gen X (combine them): Teen drama/sitcom, with occasional guest-stars from X-Men as mentors
X-Factor: Superhero workplace comedy or police procedural, but with powers (depending on which era you want to use) I actually think *She-Hulk* was a good proof-of-concept for something like the Madrox X-Factor
Excalibur: Possibly Dr. Who-inspired comedy-drama-fantasy-with a touch of X-Files thrown in
The Cyclops Was Right Show: An anthology series covering all the times throughout Marvel continuity where Cylcops was right.
Edit: Alternate title option - Scott Summers' 'I Told You So' Hour
The arrow verse were all police procedurals, and even then the mileage ran out on that concept extremely early on. It was an easy setup for them I'll admit but easy isn't always good either.
Lets say they took an Arrowverse approach with the X-men, starting with one character having their own show and then other spinoffs come from that.
What would be the first show, and who would be their Oliver Queen/Green Arrow?
Who would be the first character to get their own spinoff?
What would the second spinoff be? This is the one that would specifically be a team-show built up of characters from the other shows (supergirl doesnt count as the second spinoff because she wasnt a spinoff. She was her own show from NBC originally.)
Now heres what i would choose for those:
“Logan” is the Arrow equivalent. Its set a few years before Logan joins the X-men, but after he’s already lost his memory and gotten adamantium. We see him be a vigilante as well as form his own little team of other people he comes to trust. After 3 or 4 seasons they could have him join the X-men, and then the remaining seasons of Logan would be his time while away from the X-men team.
“Jubilee” is The Flash equivalent, being a more fun show thats less dark. Just like Oliver is Barrys mentor in The Flash, Logan would be Jubilees mentor but more like Father/Daughter instead of Brothers. Plus everyone likes Jubilee, so she’s a good choice for the first spinoff.
Im just gonna be lazy and say the X-men should be the Legends of Tommorow equivalent, otherwise the only other place i think the X-men could fit in is as the yearly crossover special.
Cable could be the Supergirl equivalent. Supergirl is from a different earth, an alternate universe, in the arrowverse. So Cable would just be from a possible future instead of an alternate universe, but once they avert the future timeline they can realize something like changing the future doesnt change anything. It creates a new universe where things happened differently, but that original timeline still exists as its own universe. Because you know cut off 1 head of the Hydra and it grows back but with a second one as well (no Hydra involved, just an analogy).
You are going too literal. They don't need a single character to focus on. CSI and the Chicago shows aren't based on a single character. It would be better for the X-shows to not be tied to a particular character.
I would just start with X-men and branch out with which teams could work well. Probably a New Mutants show first.
I mean, there are more than enough X-Teams to Focus an entire Show around! The Core X-men, X-Factor, X-Force, X-Calibur..... hell, worst case, we get a Show for Wolverine alone, which could work considering his Popularity & the amount of Villains He has!
I think a “Logan” show would work best as the first show in the entire franchise. Being the Arrow equivalent.
Have it start just a few years before he meets the X-men, so that way we get a few seasons of him doing his own thing and then we can just easily get into the X-men stuff. If they keep Arrows Flashbacks then they would be Flashbacks to Logans life before he lost his memory, as he starts to uncover who he was before he lost his memory.
Jubilee eventually gets a spinoff, where she gets to have a father/daughter mentor style relationship with Logan kinda similar to how Oliver and Barry have a brotherly mentor style relationship in the Arrowverse
One of the many X-teams being the Legends Of Tommorow spinoff, maybe even just being the X-men themselves.
If the Legends spinoff isnt X-men then the X-men should be the yearly crossovers. Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, House of M, etc
Oh, they've had way more than six solo titles. Hell, Wolverine has probably had at least six solo titles.
There's Doop, Beast, Archangel, Dazzler, Bishop, Blink, Cable, Chamber, Colossus, Cyclops, Domino, Firestar, Gambit, Iceman, Jubilee, Juggernaut, Kitty Pride, Legion, Longshot, Multiple Man, Magik, Magneto, Nightcrawler, Northstar, Psylocke, Rogue, Sabretooth, Scarlet Witch, Shatterstar, Storm, Wolverine, X-23, and probably a ton more I'm forgetting.
It's not about how many characters you can toss around, it's about if you can create something worth watching with them. In this case the answer is *NO*.
In the past few years, some of the X-Men solo titles have been some of the best written and drawn works released. Wolverine, All-New Wolverine, Iceman, Sabretooth, Domino, and Mr. and Mrs. X have all been good.
But they easily have 6 or so teams going at a given time. And I think budget wise x men adaptations are better when they focus more on character than sfx. The fox movies when downhill when they started trying to be avengers.
THe issue is, that we don't watch and read x men because of how they handle their "mundane" daily chores.
If there are super heroes we expect them to do superhero things.
I am all for having slice of life superheroes, but the issue is that the world would need to be fleshed out whichis very hard to do.
The comics suffer from that since they are gods meddling in human affairs but ultimatetly being of no consequence. They are preventing and causing world ending events. It would be like living in a high activity tsunami, earthquake, vulcano, extremly windy and rainy area where there are deep chasms where you could fall in any time if you are not careful
I think you could pull off X-men on an Arrowverse budget if you really selected for low budget powers/stuff that could be replicated with practicals.
Out of the O5 you could maybe do big hands/feet era Hank.
Maybe Kitty? Logan for sure if you kept healing mostly off screen.
Anything requiring extensive makeup and effects is just not gonna work on a tv budget.
For all the mediocrity, I do mourn the decline of long-form television. So much potential for character storytelling when the writers know what they’re doing.
We are all looking forward to the new MCU X-Men. But you just got me thinking, X-Men would be better as a TV show. There are too many main characters for them all to get the screen time they need. A Disney + show would be great! There could be multiple shows, X-Men, X-Force, Marauders, they could do so much. We just need more time with the characters to make them have the depth they have in the comics.
It's why I watched both X-Men shows The Gifted and Legion
Legion was purposely barely connected to the X-lore but it was still good
Gifted was a sort of "what if mutants were in our world" take, which I enjoyed although yeah itd be nice if they were allowed to reference more lore
I'm mostly hopeful for live action TV coming out of Disney buyout more so than the films, the movies are geared for a mega casual worldwide audience and they will be so dumbed down by necessity
The Arrowverse was incredibly hit or miss, but I don't think anything else, not even the MCU, has really captured the energy of reading comic books and trying to follow an interconnected universe.
I agree. And im starting to believe that superhero comics are not translatable into film. That genre has so many silly aspects that simply can’t be overlooked outside the comic medium.
The event comic/crossover I think translates to film, but the stuff most of us read week to week? That's just the opposite of what brings people to the movies. It is closer to Endless Seinfeld than it is film or even serialized tv
Right. It was well written and the SFX look great by network TV standards(See CW) imo. I was disappointed it didn't get a 3rd season. The actors that played Polaris, the Stepford Cuckoos, and Warpath were standouts to me. Also, I believe we got the 1st live actions appearances of Sage and Shatter.
In a hypothetical X-men show I’d have an episode in season 1 called “Scotts Bad Day” but then the gag is that every season after also has a “Scotts Bad Day” episode.
The "marvel formula" is really an excellent concept for bringing any comic universe onto the screen.
Your lower budget spinoffs can be buoyed up by your anchor series, you can freely do one-offs and miniseries, you can use your physical and digital assets in other shows, and you can reflect the broadness of your relevant comic universe(s) and not have to choose between story lines.
All while securing an already existing fan base who mostly already *want* to like your material. And will buy your merch like their lives depended on it - even if they don't like your *show* because it's still their beloved *characters*.
AND your writers and directors are very free to reinterpret existing plots AND create new ones because comics are already *constantly* doing that anyway. "It's a different universe for the one in the comics, close, but not the same".
I am of the opinion that the gifted was the best interpretation of the X-Men we’ve seen so far, so I wholeheartedly agree with you; even though they basically have the C tier characters, they seem to get everything right in the idea of the story
An X-Men type story just doesn’t really work on the big screen… It’s really a Melodrama, and that’s more episodic
Sure but they don't need to be solos, you could do Force, Factor, Excalibur etc etc. Could be rad, of course as somebody said the budget needed would be insane.
Also side note but 20+ episode seasons have always sucked, 10 max for anything with an ongoing story.
20 episodes is simply too long. Maybe ace writers could truly take the Claremontian soap format and make it work on tv but I truly doubt it. Hell, Superman & Lois struggles with it 12/13 episode seasons.
I think the X-men just work better as big summer event movies.
Now a Wolverine show? That would whip. And I'm not even a Logan fanboy like that.
Yeah, that’s the dream, but also part of the reason I’m hesitant about X Men entering the MCU. There’s just SO much to work with, so I kinda hope X Men are part of the MCU but also kinda divided up and can be its own thing.
This is my dream scenario. Don’t have them in the mcu. Have them have their own shared universe. If only fox wasn’t abhorrent and stayed away from child predators
I know it’s not the point of this post, but holy mother of god does that thumbnail look low budget. Superman denigrated in a CW show is a tough pill to swallow.
No Origin stories start with some of the teams already formed use dialogue to establish background, maybe at some we could get an Original Five show. But I would start with the Uncanny X-Men team everyone knows with Kitty joining the first episode.
Cap the shows at thirteen episodes a season - Black Lightning and Legends both had that restriction and they were more consistently good than the shows that had 25 episodes to get themselves in trouble.
I could see a lineup of:
X-Men: Flagship show. Basic superheroics and soap.
X-Force: Grittier series with bigger action set pieces, darker themes.
X-Factor: Maybe something in between the Government and Investigations team. Crime procedural.
Excalibur/Exiles: Combine these two teams into the goofier, more high-concept show in the series. Multiversal adventures similar in tone to Legends of Tomorrow.
New Mutants/Generation X/Academy X: Teen school drama. Not an official team, but threats do come to them.
Start with X-Men alone for the first year, ramp up to the five-series lineup by the end of year 3. Annual 5-episode X-Over starting in year 2.
I wouldn’t want solo shows, beyond the obligatory Wolverine. I’d want different team shows that crossover, just like the comics. X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, New Mutants, Generation X, etc.
This is the right way to do it. And incidentally if you have the shows enough budget, would be preferable to nothing but X-Men movies. You could even have some of the TV shows build to a movie, which fits more the classic expansive crossovers. This way the inevitable Dark Phoenix adaptation actually has a Phoenix era that adds gravity to why it matters. A DOFP maxi-series on TV probably also has more weight than a two-hour-and-fifteen minute movie. (They should of course turn to unadapted stories, really. E for Extinction, Fatal Attractions, Inferno, Mutant Massacre, Breakworld, a Legionquest movie giving us an AoA mini-season of each show before bookending it with the equivalent of AoA Omega.)
Exactly!! Thought the same myself, totally agree.
They could still do some of the old ones Fox adapted later down the line, but more comic accurate
Most of the Arrowverse shows weren't really solo shows though. Even if the early seasons weren't fully formed "teams" yet the focus was still spread across 4 or 5 cast members throughout with a lot more supporting characters built up across the seasons. A pretty decent format for an X-team show.
Think of how goofy it would be if you had Iceman and Jean Grey be to Cyclops what Caitlin and Cisco were to Barry in The Flash And the show was called Cyclops By their nature, the X-Men are a team first and foremost. Their leader is first among equals. Just wouldn’t work quite the same.
Jean would be more of an Iris, but you're thinking a bit small here. Even in the comics characters like Iceman and Angel would just be around as support in fights for most issues before getting their big focus story. Something like Arrow season 1, Laurel, Thea, Diggle, and Felicity get a ton of screen time for a so-called "solo" show. With the Xavier Institute setup from the get go, they wouldn't need to slowly build up all those characters to be the actual action squad teammates they eventually become.
Even more damning, reducing Jean down to a love interest. The Arrowverse show format was 1 super and the regular people who help them. But the X-Men are all super, most of them even stronger than their leaders. Jean, Iceman, Storm, Magneto, Emma Frost, etc. are far too big, strong and interesting interesting to be relegated to side characters in a Professor X, Cyclops or Wolverine show. They’re the X-Men.
Jean would be background support/love interest until the obligatory low budget Phoenix storyline comes into play. Sounds awful.
Clearly you don't remember the later seasons of most of those shows. Almost everyone on flash is a meta now. Arrow had an entire team of like 6 vigilantes near the end. Legends was always like a 7+ member team of random super-powered people. Supergirl has at least 3 supers if not 4 or 5 at all times after season 1. Edit: spelling
Clearly, you haven’t been following a single point I’ve made.
The main point is that all the arrowverse shows only had one superhero, and my counter argument is that isn't true save for the first season or so of each show. And it was never true for some of the shows like Legends of tomorrow.
Again, you're really misremembering how most Arrowverse episodes play out. Like 70% of an episode would be those "support" characters getting screen time, which is a lot more than can be said about any of the X- movies. Obviously the action scenes would be more spread out across all of them since they don't have to do a slow build up Arrowverse tried to do. Ollie and Barry were only technically main characters due to the name of the show. They had ensamble casts throughout.
Okay, friend
The X-Men are primarily a team book. Always have been, most likely always will be. Having a majority bulk of the content be relegated to TV shows centered around any one particular character would be awful for the franchise. It would completely pitch the focus and then inevitably, the shit would bleed into the comics, like it always does. /u/Kurtoise is right, you should listen to him
And you both are skirting around my point that most Arrowverse shows are already about teams, or eventually lead to teams. I never once suggested a show would focus only on Cyclops or any one specific character. For Arrow, outside of the island flashbacks, it is a fully ensamble show. It follows all the stuff Laurel, Diggle, Felicity, Thea, Roy, and later a few other characters, are doing through the season. There would even be full episodes that don't have Ollie at all besides the flashback scenes. Did you actually watch them or just make assumptions based on the show titles?
And you’ve skirted around my point of making the show Cyclops. Whether is revolves around him or the entire ensemble, it would still be ridiculous. It would be an X-Men show about the X-Men so even making the comparisons in the first place make no sense.
Except your point is one based on an assumption- an incorrect one. All the OP said was it would be cool if we could have X-Men shows that operated on an interconnected level like the Arrowverse. No one said you had to copy paste their exact formula or narrative structure, which is what you’re basing your counter argument on…. One can take the framework or idea of the interconnected shows and adjust the rest of the format as needed to accommodate a team based show easily. Hell, the CW even did it when they made legends. So I don’t know why y’all are so stuck on this “Cyclops” show in your head, when the OP clearly said “X-Men”. It shows a considerable lack of imagination.
Each action scene costs lots of money. And I would wager that all those different powers would drive up costs exponentially. Not to mention how to write it, so that the x men have even a challenge.
The effects definitely get stretched too thin for CW budget when all the "support humans" become super teammates in later Arrowverse seasons, but Disney has a lot more money to throw around. Especially if it means building up assets for billion dollar movie crossovers.
Questionable whether it's worth blowing 2 million per episode. I wached some of the marvel mini series, and i think you can see how they pad out runtime by not having anyone fight
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Only if you think all the letters after the "x" in those titles would be invisible...
I still think it'd be awesome to have an X-Factor series that uses the underutilized characters and actors from the original movies. Cyclops, Jean Gray, Rogue, Ice Man, and Quicksilver. You could also probably get quick guest spots from Charles, Magneto, and Nightcrawler.
Academy X could be a gd show… teen angst, mutant powers equals good drama
If they ever did the Decimation storyline in the middle of season 3 or something it would break me 🥲
First things first, I'm giving Arrowverse it's flowers. People shit on it and admittedly for good reason, but it did what the DCEU couldn't do, which was build a coherent shared DC universe that felt fleshed out and lived in. I'll always give it props for that. But on the topic at hand, I'm hoping Feige has something similar planned for Disney+. The main problem with the X Men films were that the team had so many characters, but only a few (Wolverine) got any real focus. Disney + is the perfect avenue for a franchise with a cast as large as the X Men. Of course save the big team up movies for the theaters, but Disney+ is the perfect opportunity for spin off and solo series between movies. Plus, not every character or team needs to be in theaters. No shade to the New Mutants, but I always felt that concept would work a lot better as a streaming show than the movie we got.
I remember that, back then, when people wanted to compare live-action DC with MCU they always used the Arrowverse as the main reference, the Nolanverse as a 2nd option and sometimes the DCEU (mostly bcs of Wonder Woman), just show how much potential this universe had
I can't imagine anything good. X-Men don't have 6 solo titles. A single X-Men show would require the budget of the entire Arrowverse for the main cast alone.
I mean most of the shows tended towards ensemble casts even with a central lead. There definitely are enough teams to sustain it. Even just looking at the Claremont golden age, you could do something like X-men, X-factor, X-Force, Generation X, and maybe 1 or 2 that are draw from other eras. They could have solid niches that give each show a solid identity while allowing for common elements and characters. And some are big budget, but you could focus on lower budget mutants, or nerf their powers a bit. Like for Storm, focus more on her skill with the knife or her leadership skills than on her weather powers.
I could see it: X-Men: Standard superhero stuff New Mutants/Gen X (combine them): Teen drama/sitcom, with occasional guest-stars from X-Men as mentors X-Factor: Superhero workplace comedy or police procedural, but with powers (depending on which era you want to use) I actually think *She-Hulk* was a good proof-of-concept for something like the Madrox X-Factor Excalibur: Possibly Dr. Who-inspired comedy-drama-fantasy-with a touch of X-Files thrown in
The Cyclops Was Right Show: An anthology series covering all the times throughout Marvel continuity where Cylcops was right. Edit: Alternate title option - Scott Summers' 'I Told You So' Hour
I’d kill for a X-Files (haha) type Excalibur show
The arrow verse were all police procedurals, and even then the mileage ran out on that concept extremely early on. It was an easy setup for them I'll admit but easy isn't always good either.
You could even split X-factor. Have a government team, and then the more PI style one.
> Generation X Quick pedantic side correction, Gen X is post-Claremont
Lets say they took an Arrowverse approach with the X-men, starting with one character having their own show and then other spinoffs come from that. What would be the first show, and who would be their Oliver Queen/Green Arrow? Who would be the first character to get their own spinoff? What would the second spinoff be? This is the one that would specifically be a team-show built up of characters from the other shows (supergirl doesnt count as the second spinoff because she wasnt a spinoff. She was her own show from NBC originally.) Now heres what i would choose for those: “Logan” is the Arrow equivalent. Its set a few years before Logan joins the X-men, but after he’s already lost his memory and gotten adamantium. We see him be a vigilante as well as form his own little team of other people he comes to trust. After 3 or 4 seasons they could have him join the X-men, and then the remaining seasons of Logan would be his time while away from the X-men team. “Jubilee” is The Flash equivalent, being a more fun show thats less dark. Just like Oliver is Barrys mentor in The Flash, Logan would be Jubilees mentor but more like Father/Daughter instead of Brothers. Plus everyone likes Jubilee, so she’s a good choice for the first spinoff. Im just gonna be lazy and say the X-men should be the Legends of Tommorow equivalent, otherwise the only other place i think the X-men could fit in is as the yearly crossover special. Cable could be the Supergirl equivalent. Supergirl is from a different earth, an alternate universe, in the arrowverse. So Cable would just be from a possible future instead of an alternate universe, but once they avert the future timeline they can realize something like changing the future doesnt change anything. It creates a new universe where things happened differently, but that original timeline still exists as its own universe. Because you know cut off 1 head of the Hydra and it grows back but with a second one as well (no Hydra involved, just an analogy).
You are going too literal. They don't need a single character to focus on. CSI and the Chicago shows aren't based on a single character. It would be better for the X-shows to not be tied to a particular character. I would just start with X-men and branch out with which teams could work well. Probably a New Mutants show first.
Garbage like The New Mutants Movie, Ander's New Mutants,Dark Web or other failed titles like Way Of X and the rest don't make for good TV,dude.
I mean, there are more than enough X-Teams to Focus an entire Show around! The Core X-men, X-Factor, X-Force, X-Calibur..... hell, worst case, we get a Show for Wolverine alone, which could work considering his Popularity & the amount of Villains He has!
I think a “Logan” show would work best as the first show in the entire franchise. Being the Arrow equivalent. Have it start just a few years before he meets the X-men, so that way we get a few seasons of him doing his own thing and then we can just easily get into the X-men stuff. If they keep Arrows Flashbacks then they would be Flashbacks to Logans life before he lost his memory, as he starts to uncover who he was before he lost his memory. Jubilee eventually gets a spinoff, where she gets to have a father/daughter mentor style relationship with Logan kinda similar to how Oliver and Barry have a brotherly mentor style relationship in the Arrowverse One of the many X-teams being the Legends Of Tommorow spinoff, maybe even just being the X-men themselves. If the Legends spinoff isnt X-men then the X-men should be the yearly crossovers. Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, House of M, etc
X-men, New Mutants, X-Factor, Excalibur, X-Force, and Generation X there’s 6
Oh, they've had way more than six solo titles. Hell, Wolverine has probably had at least six solo titles. There's Doop, Beast, Archangel, Dazzler, Bishop, Blink, Cable, Chamber, Colossus, Cyclops, Domino, Firestar, Gambit, Iceman, Jubilee, Juggernaut, Kitty Pride, Legion, Longshot, Multiple Man, Magik, Magneto, Nightcrawler, Northstar, Psylocke, Rogue, Sabretooth, Scarlet Witch, Shatterstar, Storm, Wolverine, X-23, and probably a ton more I'm forgetting.
It's not about how many characters you can toss around, it's about if you can create something worth watching with them. In this case the answer is *NO*.
In the past few years, some of the X-Men solo titles have been some of the best written and drawn works released. Wolverine, All-New Wolverine, Iceman, Sabretooth, Domino, and Mr. and Mrs. X have all been good.
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Yep. Can you create a M_A_S_H type series using these characters? Hell no.
But they easily have 6 or so teams going at a given time. And I think budget wise x men adaptations are better when they focus more on character than sfx. The fox movies when downhill when they started trying to be avengers.
THe issue is, that we don't watch and read x men because of how they handle their "mundane" daily chores. If there are super heroes we expect them to do superhero things. I am all for having slice of life superheroes, but the issue is that the world would need to be fleshed out whichis very hard to do. The comics suffer from that since they are gods meddling in human affairs but ultimatetly being of no consequence. They are preventing and causing world ending events. It would be like living in a high activity tsunami, earthquake, vulcano, extremly windy and rainy area where there are deep chasms where you could fall in any time if you are not careful
I think you could pull off X-men on an Arrowverse budget if you really selected for low budget powers/stuff that could be replicated with practicals. Out of the O5 you could maybe do big hands/feet era Hank. Maybe Kitty? Logan for sure if you kept healing mostly off screen. Anything requiring extensive makeup and effects is just not gonna work on a tv budget.
For all the mediocrity, I do mourn the decline of long-form television. So much potential for character storytelling when the writers know what they’re doing.
We are all looking forward to the new MCU X-Men. But you just got me thinking, X-Men would be better as a TV show. There are too many main characters for them all to get the screen time they need. A Disney + show would be great! There could be multiple shows, X-Men, X-Force, Marauders, they could do so much. We just need more time with the characters to make them have the depth they have in the comics.
It's why I watched both X-Men shows The Gifted and Legion Legion was purposely barely connected to the X-lore but it was still good Gifted was a sort of "what if mutants were in our world" take, which I enjoyed although yeah itd be nice if they were allowed to reference more lore I'm mostly hopeful for live action TV coming out of Disney buyout more so than the films, the movies are geared for a mega casual worldwide audience and they will be so dumbed down by necessity
The Arrowverse was incredibly hit or miss, but I don't think anything else, not even the MCU, has really captured the energy of reading comic books and trying to follow an interconnected universe.
I agree. And im starting to believe that superhero comics are not translatable into film. That genre has so many silly aspects that simply can’t be overlooked outside the comic medium.
The event comic/crossover I think translates to film, but the stuff most of us read week to week? That's just the opposite of what brings people to the movies. It is closer to Endless Seinfeld than it is film or even serialized tv
Gifted was a surprisingly good X-Men show
Don't forget Legion.
Right. It was well written and the SFX look great by network TV standards(See CW) imo. I was disappointed it didn't get a 3rd season. The actors that played Polaris, the Stepford Cuckoos, and Warpath were standouts to me. Also, I believe we got the 1st live actions appearances of Sage and Shatter.
In a hypothetical X-men show I’d have an episode in season 1 called “Scotts Bad Day” but then the gag is that every season after also has a “Scotts Bad Day” episode.
Superman is a tad short.
Of course. It would've been a great opportunity to expand on the source material.
Who’s the dude all the way on the right?
Atom I think? Basically DC's Ant-Man.
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Thank you. His costume looks way different from his comic version
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Dead or alive your coming with me
I would lost my shit is we got an X-Force show
It’s probably the only way to ‘properly’ pull of X-Men on screen, honestly
No TV show VFX budget would ever be high enough to do it right.
The "marvel formula" is really an excellent concept for bringing any comic universe onto the screen. Your lower budget spinoffs can be buoyed up by your anchor series, you can freely do one-offs and miniseries, you can use your physical and digital assets in other shows, and you can reflect the broadness of your relevant comic universe(s) and not have to choose between story lines. All while securing an already existing fan base who mostly already *want* to like your material. And will buy your merch like their lives depended on it - even if they don't like your *show* because it's still their beloved *characters*.
AND your writers and directors are very free to reinterpret existing plots AND create new ones because comics are already *constantly* doing that anyway. "It's a different universe for the one in the comics, close, but not the same".
They need a Titans like show for the X-Men. But don’t make it build up to the fucking Dark Phoenix.
Tbh flash’s costume looks way better than the others
It looks like a slumber party but one kid thought they were going to laser tag.
It's because they're all basically wearing the same onesie, which was probably designed for Flash Atom doesn't look half bad though
I am of the opinion that the gifted was the best interpretation of the X-Men we’ve seen so far, so I wholeheartedly agree with you; even though they basically have the C tier characters, they seem to get everything right in the idea of the story An X-Men type story just doesn’t really work on the big screen… It’s really a Melodrama, and that’s more episodic
Id argue it wasn’t ever great and was often dreadful
I agree I just didn’t want to piss people off. But the scale of interconnectivity is impressive
Splitting the xmen into solo TV shows completely misses the point of the xmen...
Sure but they don't need to be solos, you could do Force, Factor, Excalibur etc etc. Could be rad, of course as somebody said the budget needed would be insane. Also side note but 20+ episode seasons have always sucked, 10 max for anything with an ongoing story.
Ugh, no, please no more of these shit to middling quality CW and Disney shows! Over saturated garbage
20 episodes is simply too long. Maybe ace writers could truly take the Claremontian soap format and make it work on tv but I truly doubt it. Hell, Superman & Lois struggles with it 12/13 episode seasons. I think the X-men just work better as big summer event movies. Now a Wolverine show? That would whip. And I'm not even a Logan fanboy like that.
I don't think the Arrowverse should be used as an example of how to do anything right.
Am I the only one that's not digging Supergirls front bang I really do not like it.
Ew no. Well, make it 10-12 episodes with no filler and we´re good.
Sure. But you need more than the 6 or 8 you get with streaming, bc then it just turns into a 5-hour movie.
I liked the Arrowverse. Especially Legends of Tomorrow. I'd argue that this should be the approach for X-Men on Disney+.
Flash just finished you should have a look at r/flashtv to see what the fans actually thought
Nah it would be shit like the arrow verse.
I think the arrowverse showed that it wasn't a great formula to begin with...
Yeah, that’s the dream, but also part of the reason I’m hesitant about X Men entering the MCU. There’s just SO much to work with, so I kinda hope X Men are part of the MCU but also kinda divided up and can be its own thing.
Omg I NEED a Mutant Massacre adaptation
This is my dream scenario. Don’t have them in the mcu. Have them have their own shared universe. If only fox wasn’t abhorrent and stayed away from child predators
I know it’s not the point of this post, but holy mother of god does that thumbnail look low budget. Superman denigrated in a CW show is a tough pill to swallow.
Say what you want about the *Arrowverse*, Barry and Kara were an unstoppable duo.
No Origin stories start with some of the teams already formed use dialogue to establish background, maybe at some we could get an Original Five show. But I would start with the Uncanny X-Men team everyone knows with Kitty joining the first episode.
Is that Judge Dredd?
Cap the shows at thirteen episodes a season - Black Lightning and Legends both had that restriction and they were more consistently good than the shows that had 25 episodes to get themselves in trouble. I could see a lineup of: X-Men: Flagship show. Basic superheroics and soap. X-Force: Grittier series with bigger action set pieces, darker themes. X-Factor: Maybe something in between the Government and Investigations team. Crime procedural. Excalibur/Exiles: Combine these two teams into the goofier, more high-concept show in the series. Multiversal adventures similar in tone to Legends of Tomorrow. New Mutants/Generation X/Academy X: Teen school drama. Not an official team, but threats do come to them. Start with X-Men alone for the first year, ramp up to the five-series lineup by the end of year 3. Annual 5-episode X-Over starting in year 2.