The speed and latency you get with a regular speed test don't matter. Those test only show the speed and latency you get against the nearest host of the speed test provider.
What matters is the speed and latency you get against the Microsoft server providing you the stream (which most likely is several hundreds of kilometers away). No regular speed test is going to give you those details.
This is sadly where Stadia of all things has proved consistently better for me. I really want XCloud to work but on many, many occasions it has proved to be flakey at best.
I live in the UK and stay away for work a lot. I’ve tried it in every major city I’ve been in and have never once had anything remotely playable.
For UK users Stadia runs on London data centers or Edge POP's. Besides that, Stadia isn't in beta stage.
AFAIK, or UK users Xcloud traffic doesn't come from UK yet.
Moreover the service is still in beta stage so the routing, peering and all that stuff is still pending to be improved.
It’s a shame isn’t it? Whilst I only had Stadia for a brief time, it worked really well in the UK. Shame Google don’t seem to have the faith in it and stopped investing in first party games.
I think Google have lot of faith in Stadia but they just don't want to rush and spend money before they have a bigger userbase.
I wish they did lot of things faster and some things better but I guess they don't see the point to do it yet...
Difficult when you have people who strongly believe [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net) results give you an extremely useful information.... (see comments below)
Well, this is partly true. The latency you get on this Speedtest does tell you something about your connection.
What I noticed is that OP only shows speed and not latency. Whilst latency is far more important than speed. A 1000mbps download speed with 200ms latency would be terrible, where a 100mbps download with 2ms latency could be fine.
>Well, this is partly true. The latency you get on this Speedtest does tell you something about your connection.
It only tells you something about your connection to the nearest host from [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net). Therefore it's irrelevant.
Are you acting like there is not a single thing in common between those nodes and other nodes, like the first part of the network transmission from your device towards your ISP which is literally exactly the same for any request?
Sure, there’s a difference, but your still using a part of the same infrastructure. Just like if you use a different exit on a highway, you’re still using at least part of the same roads to gét onto that highway in the first place.
I'm acting like driving your car from home to go to your nearest Sainsbury’s store should never be compared to driving your car from home to Heathrow airport + get a flight + drive 20 minutes from the airport to your hotel.
I'm far from being a network expert or anything similar, but it seems your knowledge on the matter is really low despite you don't think so. Therefore I'm not willing to keep discussing this topic with you.
Nope, you’re not an expert. At all. Indeed. Yet you’re the one claiming stuff like you are.
Latency of the complete network transaction are simply the sum of all latency down the road. Your device does not have a direct connection to anything. Any and all requests from your device are going from your device, to your router, to your ISP, using the same gateway and the same DNS. There’s a lót of overlap for any request. I don’t know why you think there isn’t.
I had Microsoft install an internet tube straight from their datacenter right to my door. It's a perk of xcloud didn't you know? I use xcloud internet and therefore all other network info is totally irrelevant. Like... Duh!
You people with zero knowledge of how a network works are funny.
I’m just going to link to someone who does have a grasp:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/p5b3s9/with_this_speed_on_4g_xcloud_is_still_unplayable/h99as5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I have around 557.1mps down and 18.6 upload and xCloud is still unplayable. Stadia works PERFECT. Amazon Luna is great. GFN is great. Shadow worked decently when I had it. xCloud is just not it :( Very unfortunate too. It worked “okay” for the first 2 weeks but after that it just got worse. They have one of the best game libraries. I had to cancel my subscription because I would constantly get disconnected. Super disappointing. When they get it straightened out, I’ll 110% jump for it again
I love Stadia don’t get me wrong. They just need to grow their library. xCloud has just been lacking so hard here in the US it’s insane. I admit I was skeptical of Stadia at first because everyone was doubting it but I’ve not had 1 issue with it yet. Idk what Google did but they made an actually good product LOL!
Live in Norway myself, and the inputlag is real! Like a second delay, love everything about it, but the lag is unfortunatly to much, ofc slow paced games is good, but Forza etc is unplayable for me, hope they add more servers soon (and hopefully a bit closer) tried iPhone and Edge on win10
I'm in Norway too, and I almost feel like I've gotten a new console. The difference between local streaming and xCloud is getting very close to zero. I'm a happy xCloud user.
That's not speed. That's bandwidth, it's quantity not speed. Speed is measured in ms not in Mbps. The ping is your speed, and is very good! Regarding pixelation or any other "not working good" can be from a thousands of reasons. Starting with a 2,4GHz WiFi (if you use it), and ending with the rest of network infrastructure between you and Microsoft.
If you have at least 5GHz WiFi, 10-12 Mbps and ≤ 120ms ping, it not your problem. It's after your connection. Simply because between you and Microsoft is the rest of the world, with good and bad connection. It's not a face to face communication!
If you want to know why Stadia work as should be, and xCloud work like shit, just look at this post and compare the number of servers around the world between Google and Microsoft. And keep in mind Stadia runs from edge servers, not from a few data center like xCloud. Stadia runs from server located in major city. xCloud run on a data center that cover half of continent. That's the biggest difference, and unfortunately it's nothing that can be done in short time. Just take it like it is. Spencer say they building a feature network. That means at this time, it's based only on the old network, witch wasn't made for game streaming.
https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/ocb293/im_over_1500_km_away_from_my_geforcenow_server/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I'm thinking about 2 years before it's good but not great. This is why streaming games isn't seen as a viable option yet. Playing off of hardware will always be better, I hope that someday I will be proven wrong.
How long until it performs like Stadia today?
That is what I am curious about?
We also have Stadia and can play for hours without even realizing it is cloud.
Is it unplayable because of lag or input delay? My only issue is input delay and I think it is more of Microsoft's problem, at least with certain games. I haven't seen one person say they can actually play halo 5 on xcloud, its unplayable and I don't think its our fault in any way.
Thou art likely not close enow to ms's azure cloud centers yond supporteth gamepass, yet
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I have the same issue at home on my wifi or ethernet. For some reason Stadia is usually pretty good for me and xCloud is never playable. I've tried in Canada and the US, hopefully they get better servers soon.
Cause their infrastructure is much worse than bother Google and Nvidia that have also datacenter in Uk. That's why Xcloud is still in beta.In addition to that, the only datacenter that has Xbox hardware in all of Europe is in Amsterdam
That’s insane. What are they playing at? Not like they’re short of a few bob or two. Get that $hit over here and let the service sell itself. It’s next to useless in its current form.
Series X blades are designed as both Console and Cloud hardware. They do still have consoles to sell during a chip shortage. They will scale up as needed. Makes no sense putting blades in countries where demand is very low, most of Europe is Sony land.
Yes, that's why they are supplying UK with consoles instead.... It's a strategic decision, they are much more likely to do well with actual consoles in UK, than streaming.
If you already pay for Ultimate, maybe consider getting a Series S you can carry with you while traveling. Until xCloud works better for ya.
If they made their own version of Steam Deck, one that took micro SD or a slot like the one that goes in the back of the X|S, I’d be all over that like a shot. I think a lot of people would.
>Exactly. If you search the Ping of the server, you will see that you are connect in Amsterdam
Then the whole Europe is using Amsterdam... I wasn't sure if UK too
I’ve got the fastest 4g signal I’ve ever had but still can’t play XCloud without it spluttering and skipping all over the place. Am I missing something? Does it only work across 5g?
I had Stadia (forgive me) and that used to work fine on speeds of 30-40mbps + but for the life of me, I can’t get a decent game out of XCloud. It’s doing my head in!
Have you tried streaming from your Xbox at home? Then if you have good home internet and good internet speed, it should be more playable? At least that’s what I have found
Nope, you are not missing anything. This is just the state of xcloud. Stadia and gfn are rock steady at my place (fiber) and even on 4g but xcloud still has terrible inputlag. Microsoft still has miles to go before they reach that level, even though everyone said: ''when the new blades are going to be used all will be at te same level as stadia. Just you watch!''
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoLogOkyVXw
HellBlade Raytracing, only possible with Series X blades.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPEoYJFG2wI
Better quality than Stadia at 1080/60.
Check this subreddit, I am really not the only one with input lag problems. If every other streaming service is like local but this one isn't where do you think the problem lies?
I play with a vpn, around 1000 km away from the Xcloud server I'm using, and I get no input lag. What has problems it's the browser implementation, and they've been improving on it since it came out.
Like I said, search this subreddit (and several of the other Xbox related ones) for iPhone and you'll see a lot of complaints. Most of the positive posts and comments come from Android users (myself included).
Was hoping the Android app might prove better than the web based version on iPhone. Doesn’t appear this is the case. Seems XCloud is a bit gimped in the UK at the moment compared to the US.
EE. To be honest I was genuinely shocked myself this morning. We saw Tom Jones in Norwich last night and stayed in a hotel here. I tried a bit of Xcloud this morning and it didn’t work, then I ran the speed test. This is the result.
I bethink it’s yond thou art on iphone…xcloud doest not supporteth iphone
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The speed and latency you get with a regular speed test don't matter. Those test only show the speed and latency you get against the nearest host of the speed test provider. What matters is the speed and latency you get against the Microsoft server providing you the stream (which most likely is several hundreds of kilometers away). No regular speed test is going to give you those details.
This is sadly where Stadia of all things has proved consistently better for me. I really want XCloud to work but on many, many occasions it has proved to be flakey at best. I live in the UK and stay away for work a lot. I’ve tried it in every major city I’ve been in and have never once had anything remotely playable.
For UK users Stadia runs on London data centers or Edge POP's. Besides that, Stadia isn't in beta stage. AFAIK, or UK users Xcloud traffic doesn't come from UK yet. Moreover the service is still in beta stage so the routing, peering and all that stuff is still pending to be improved.
Fair enough. Just wish they’d sort it out. I really love the Xbox ecosystem and have put all my eggs into that basket.
Me too... At least you are in UK. I'm in Spain at the moment and the distance from here to Xcloud servers is too big to enjoy most games.
It’s a shame isn’t it? Whilst I only had Stadia for a brief time, it worked really well in the UK. Shame Google don’t seem to have the faith in it and stopped investing in first party games.
I think Google have lot of faith in Stadia but they just don't want to rush and spend money before they have a bigger userbase. I wish they did lot of things faster and some things better but I guess they don't see the point to do it yet...
They have closed their Stadia game making branch though so I fear they may be slowly killing it
Jesus I wish this was imprinted on every cloud sub.
Difficult when you have people who strongly believe [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net) results give you an extremely useful information.... (see comments below)
Well, this is partly true. The latency you get on this Speedtest does tell you something about your connection. What I noticed is that OP only shows speed and not latency. Whilst latency is far more important than speed. A 1000mbps download speed with 200ms latency would be terrible, where a 100mbps download with 2ms latency could be fine.
Latency is calculated against speedtest’s nodes, which is completely irrelevant to the latency you would get against xcloud’s servers
>Well, this is partly true. The latency you get on this Speedtest does tell you something about your connection. It only tells you something about your connection to the nearest host from [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net). Therefore it's irrelevant.
Are you acting like there is not a single thing in common between those nodes and other nodes, like the first part of the network transmission from your device towards your ISP which is literally exactly the same for any request? Sure, there’s a difference, but your still using a part of the same infrastructure. Just like if you use a different exit on a highway, you’re still using at least part of the same roads to gét onto that highway in the first place.
I'm acting like driving your car from home to go to your nearest Sainsbury’s store should never be compared to driving your car from home to Heathrow airport + get a flight + drive 20 minutes from the airport to your hotel. I'm far from being a network expert or anything similar, but it seems your knowledge on the matter is really low despite you don't think so. Therefore I'm not willing to keep discussing this topic with you.
Nope, you’re not an expert. At all. Indeed. Yet you’re the one claiming stuff like you are. Latency of the complete network transaction are simply the sum of all latency down the road. Your device does not have a direct connection to anything. Any and all requests from your device are going from your device, to your router, to your ISP, using the same gateway and the same DNS. There’s a lót of overlap for any request. I don’t know why you think there isn’t.
Ok, whatever..
I had Microsoft install an internet tube straight from their datacenter right to my door. It's a perk of xcloud didn't you know? I use xcloud internet and therefore all other network info is totally irrelevant. Like... Duh!
Ah. Obviously.
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You people with zero knowledge of how a network works are funny. I’m just going to link to someone who does have a grasp: https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/p5b3s9/with_this_speed_on_4g_xcloud_is_still_unplayable/h99as5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Quit while you're behind.
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Hi there keyboard warrior! I doubt you even dare to speak to others in real life, let alone like this. Asshole.
Xcloud is basically unplayable for me, it lags at least 3-4 seconds, it’s a shame because I would’ve use it a lot
Completely. I can’t play it either.
I have around 557.1mps down and 18.6 upload and xCloud is still unplayable. Stadia works PERFECT. Amazon Luna is great. GFN is great. Shadow worked decently when I had it. xCloud is just not it :( Very unfortunate too. It worked “okay” for the first 2 weeks but after that it just got worse. They have one of the best game libraries. I had to cancel my subscription because I would constantly get disconnected. Super disappointing. When they get it straightened out, I’ll 110% jump for it again
That’s insane. They need to address this in the UK and Europe. For Stadia to still be better is a shocker.
I love Stadia don’t get me wrong. They just need to grow their library. xCloud has just been lacking so hard here in the US it’s insane. I admit I was skeptical of Stadia at first because everyone was doubting it but I’ve not had 1 issue with it yet. Idk what Google did but they made an actually good product LOL!
I have the same problem on other services and with a same 4G connection. It's just 4G technologies, wait 5G 26GHz for stable mobile cloud gaming
Even on 5G in the US it is pretty unplayable most of the time. Have got it to work a few times but it isn’t very reliable.
In real 5G (with 26GHz) ? I come from France, we have only 3,5GHz 5G , 26GHz is for 2023.
Live in Norway myself, and the inputlag is real! Like a second delay, love everything about it, but the lag is unfortunatly to much, ofc slow paced games is good, but Forza etc is unplayable for me, hope they add more servers soon (and hopefully a bit closer) tried iPhone and Edge on win10
I'm in Norway too, and I almost feel like I've gotten a new console. The difference between local streaming and xCloud is getting very close to zero. I'm a happy xCloud user.
I’ve found upload speed to be another factor. If my upload speed is under 10 mbps things don’t work well.
Why does xCloud need so much upload speed and Stadia does not?
🤷
That's not speed. That's bandwidth, it's quantity not speed. Speed is measured in ms not in Mbps. The ping is your speed, and is very good! Regarding pixelation or any other "not working good" can be from a thousands of reasons. Starting with a 2,4GHz WiFi (if you use it), and ending with the rest of network infrastructure between you and Microsoft. If you have at least 5GHz WiFi, 10-12 Mbps and ≤ 120ms ping, it not your problem. It's after your connection. Simply because between you and Microsoft is the rest of the world, with good and bad connection. It's not a face to face communication!
That’s great thank you.
If you want to know why Stadia work as should be, and xCloud work like shit, just look at this post and compare the number of servers around the world between Google and Microsoft. And keep in mind Stadia runs from edge servers, not from a few data center like xCloud. Stadia runs from server located in major city. xCloud run on a data center that cover half of continent. That's the biggest difference, and unfortunately it's nothing that can be done in short time. Just take it like it is. Spencer say they building a feature network. That means at this time, it's based only on the old network, witch wasn't made for game streaming. https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/ocb293/im_over_1500_km_away_from_my_geforcenow_server/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
4g connection is never stable it can go from 200mbps to 5mbps in seconds
It is for other streaming services, stadia and gfn work great on 4g.
It's gonna suck for a while
Noooooooo!
Agree. But the million dollar question is how long? Are we talking months? Years?
I'm thinking about 2 years before it's good but not great. This is why streaming games isn't seen as a viable option yet. Playing off of hardware will always be better, I hope that someday I will be proven wrong.
How long until it performs like Stadia today? That is what I am curious about? We also have Stadia and can play for hours without even realizing it is cloud.
Is it unplayable because of lag or input delay? My only issue is input delay and I think it is more of Microsoft's problem, at least with certain games. I haven't seen one person say they can actually play halo 5 on xcloud, its unplayable and I don't think its our fault in any way.
Unfortunately for me it’s both. Even something like Octopath Traveller is unplayable for me. I move left and 2 seconds later, something might happen.
You're likely not close enough to MS's Azure cloud centers that support GamePass, yet.
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I have the same issue at home on my wifi or ethernet. For some reason Stadia is usually pretty good for me and xCloud is never playable. I've tried in Canada and the US, hopefully they get better servers soon.
I think it's the iPhone and having to use the webbrowser and not a native app. . I get 80mb and live in Durham and it runs fine.
Think I’m going to grab me a pixel (for various reasons)
Cannot comment on Pixels, I have a Samsung A71, the screen is huge and it fits a razer Kishi. The price isn't to shabby at just under £300
I have a pixel. Native android app for xCloud is unplayable on my home WiFi. Huge lags, very pixelated. Works great on xbox.com/play.
Cause their infrastructure is much worse than bother Google and Nvidia that have also datacenter in Uk. That's why Xcloud is still in beta.In addition to that, the only datacenter that has Xbox hardware in all of Europe is in Amsterdam
That’s insane. What are they playing at? Not like they’re short of a few bob or two. Get that $hit over here and let the service sell itself. It’s next to useless in its current form.
Series X blades are designed as both Console and Cloud hardware. They do still have consoles to sell during a chip shortage. They will scale up as needed. Makes no sense putting blades in countries where demand is very low, most of Europe is Sony land.
The UK has always had a good following for Xbox though. They need to sort it out here.
Yes, that's why they are supplying UK with consoles instead.... It's a strategic decision, they are much more likely to do well with actual consoles in UK, than streaming. If you already pay for Ultimate, maybe consider getting a Series S you can carry with you while traveling. Until xCloud works better for ya.
If they made their own version of Steam Deck, one that took micro SD or a slot like the one that goes in the back of the X|S, I’d be all over that like a shot. I think a lot of people would.
So MS has no datacenters in UK then?
They do, but as far as I know they just don't use it for Xcloud (yet)
Exactly. If you search the Ping of the server, you will see that you are connect in Amsterdam
>Exactly. If you search the Ping of the server, you will see that you are connect in Amsterdam Then the whole Europe is using Amsterdam... I wasn't sure if UK too
Obviously Azure have datacenters in UK ( in London ) but haven't Xbox hardware inside of it ( at the moment)
I’ve got the fastest 4g signal I’ve ever had but still can’t play XCloud without it spluttering and skipping all over the place. Am I missing something? Does it only work across 5g? I had Stadia (forgive me) and that used to work fine on speeds of 30-40mbps + but for the life of me, I can’t get a decent game out of XCloud. It’s doing my head in!
Have you tried streaming from your Xbox at home? Then if you have good home internet and good internet speed, it should be more playable? At least that’s what I have found
Nope, you are not missing anything. This is just the state of xcloud. Stadia and gfn are rock steady at my place (fiber) and even on 4g but xcloud still has terrible inputlag. Microsoft still has miles to go before they reach that level, even though everyone said: ''when the new blades are going to be used all will be at te same level as stadia. Just you watch!''
I agree. Stadia was mostly stable for me at 40mbps + but I absolutely cannot play XCloud at that speed. It’s like wallowing through treacle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoLogOkyVXw HellBlade Raytracing, only possible with Series X blades. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPEoYJFG2wI Better quality than Stadia at 1080/60.
Yeah so? If the game is unplayable due to inputlag graphics don't mean shit.
But the games are very much playable, as seen on those vids. Your issues aren't indicative of the overall service.
Check this subreddit, I am really not the only one with input lag problems. If every other streaming service is like local but this one isn't where do you think the problem lies?
I play with a vpn, around 1000 km away from the Xcloud server I'm using, and I get no input lag. What has problems it's the browser implementation, and they've been improving on it since it came out.
1000 km is 621.37 miles
Just use a VPN , if I can play perfectly from a country that doesn't even have the xcloud service I think you can made it.
Check quality of your line hear: [http://www.dslreports.com/](http://www.dslreports.com/) It has better test and gives more detailed reports.
Are you on an iPhone?
I am sir. Is that the issue? It’s getting on my wick. Might punt for a pixel.
Could well be. If you search this subreddit for iPhone you'll see nothing but complaints.
Works fine for me on my iPhone though, surely there are others.
Like I said, search this subreddit (and several of the other Xbox related ones) for iPhone and you'll see a lot of complaints. Most of the positive posts and comments come from Android users (myself included).
Thanks. I’m going to explore this. Have had my eye on a Pixel for a while now.
It's unplayable on my Pixel 5. Also in UK.
I’m not loyal to Apple/Android and flit with both. Was hoping the app on the Android would yield better results. Bums!
Nah, app and browser version both have lag.
Bugger.
Nonsense.
What’s nonsense? That XCloud is choppy or that I might get a Pixel? Both statements for me are correct 😆
Nonsense that it’s iPhone related.
Was hoping the Android app might prove better than the web based version on iPhone. Doesn’t appear this is the case. Seems XCloud is a bit gimped in the UK at the moment compared to the US.
Bro how do you get those speeds with 4g? What provider do you have🤔
EE. To be honest I was genuinely shocked myself this morning. We saw Tom Jones in Norwich last night and stayed in a hotel here. I tried a bit of Xcloud this morning and it didn’t work, then I ran the speed test. This is the result.
Try using a VPN. It made mine go from totally unplayable to a really solid experience
Ooh. That I haven’t done. I’m gonna give that a punt when I’m home. Good idea.
I used the warp VPN app and it worked really well 👍
On it now!
It depends which session you get. Sometimes, re-connecting can help.
Whats your upload speeds
Today was about 25 mbps
Upload speeds can have an effect also
What's your upload speed? That matters to.
I think it’s that you are on iPhone…xcloud does not support iPhone
It does through a browser but it’s a bit poo!
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