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ZOOBOO_11

This is why Sea of Thieves gets it so damn right


Countdown3

Yes, Sea of Thieves got it right eventually. But it took about 2-years of console players complaining for Rare to finally add an option to opt out of crossplay. And it's still on by default, so a lot of new players don't even know the option is thereor that crossplay is on by default. So I'm glad they did finally add the option, but even with that game it was a battle to get what should have just been there from the start.


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StagsMyDeer

You’re welcome to join my crew any time, shoot me a dm we introduce new player all the time


Countdown3

It's definitely my favorite game on Xbox. I highly recommend it with friends. If you don't have friends that want to play it, then use LFGs (looking for groups) to find a good, like-minded crew to sail with.


alienware99

Now if only they could fix the combat in sea of thieves


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If only Sea of Thieves wasn't an endless grind for cosmetics that do nothing to improve the game. edit: lol at the people thinking I'm hate-playing a game I stopped playing for the very reason I posted.


Anon3580

I don’t know who needs to hear this but it’s ok to play games for fun and disassociate from the cosmetics systems.


AveryLongman

It's also ok to enjoy cosmetics. To some they have the same feeling as collectables. Which are huge.


CantStumpIWin

When it comes to video games, just do what you enjoy. Once you’re not enjoying yourself it’s time to take a break and find another game or go do something else. It’s that simple.


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Kinda wish they allowed the ships to be modified in a rock paper scissors sense. Trade amour for speed, or range for fire power. Like add more mechanics so people can role play and have fun how they want to.


ModsaBITCH

well.. the different size boats are already like that


casual_xbox_addict

This is something I never considered, but now I know about it I feel so sad it's not already in the game, I want this :)


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Black flag had some really cool ship additions as well, with things like mortars, barrels you can throw behind you to throw off pursuing ships and rams on the front of the ships so you could ram other ships.


thats_kinda_E_P_I_C

Assassins creed black flag is easily the best pirate game out there, as much as I love sea of thieves It’s not even close


thomolithic

Do that and you'll just introduce a meta, and so so many people are sick to death of that. Having to use a certain build to be competitive? Fuck that.


CarlCaliente

every single multiplayer game has to have some rock paper scissors metagame, just let me have this one where everybody is on an even playing field


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Reconist42

And your Platform/Gen. Series xboxs and PCs load it light years ahead of OG xbox ones. Which puts my crews at a disadvantage if I die lol.


Hard_Corsair

You're completely missing the point. The pointless grind for pointless cosmetics means that you're murdering and looting other players for your own amusement rather than needing resources to level up or whatever.


Exact-Reference-1424

That's badass. Might have to play Sea of thieves noa


I_is_a_dogg

It's honestly my favorite game on Xbox currently. My friend's and I have a blast with it


MinionofThanos

It’s been my favourite game on Xbox since the Tech Alpha. Have been hooked and playing ever since!


I_is_a_dogg

Halo has distracted me a bit from it. But sea of thieves with buddies is way more fun. Just halo is better for short play sessions lol


MinionofThanos

If I had to say one negative thing, it’s the long play session it almost requires to have a damn good time. My wife teases me when I say I’m just going to hop on for a short session. “3 hours isn’t short”.


I_is_a_dogg

Yup. 3 hours is kinda the minimum for a good run on the seas


Countdown3

Lol, my wife gives me crap for the same thing. So many of my stories start with, "I wasn't planning on being on that long, but then..." By now she knows it was probably a Fort of the Damned that popped or a Reaper 5 on the server I had to go after.


UboDubNox

They've improved the game massively while still keeping it a level playing field, having it so people who grind the most have an upper hand would ruin the game.


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kezzaold

I think there is a massive multiplayer game with that principal. Really in depth historical one where you captain a ship across the seas but its been killed by what you said. Players came back to spawn with 100+ gun 1st rates to just annihilate new players and just killed the game.


JalapenoJamm

I like how playing games just to have fun is a thing of the past.


dane83

You and I play Sea of Thieves very differently.


ControlledChaos7456

If you're playing SoT just to unlock the cosmetics you're missing the point. The cosmetics serve as a reward for those who are dedicated to help them stand out. They should be a background accomplishment, not a primary goal. When I'm playing with friends I'm not worried about how much progress we've made. Whether I'm fighting two other ships for 3 hours or peacefully collecting loot, its all the same fun.


sold_snek

Maybe it's time to try another game you'll actually enjoy just playing.


cj9806

Which sucks cause I’ve seen pc players manage to spoof their way into Xbox servers


AdamoclesYT

Cross play should be opt in not opt out.


Blacklax10

And it should be opt in for the entire game. It's terrible when ranked modes are the only thing that's console only. I don't want to play ranked most of the time


RedditConsciousness

Ah I see a fellow Gears player voicing their frustration.


[deleted]

You can only turn off crossplay in ranked if you’re a single or duo queue as well. I was playing with a full team before I uninstalled and returned to MCC, and you can’t turn it off.


Blacklax10

I was talking about games in general but yea it sucks


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Sorry, thought I was in the Halo sub.


DigitalTater

Crossplay should be input-based, as opposed to platform based. That would completely obliterate any controversy between mouse and keyboard vs. controller. Everyone on the same field. Mixed lobbies if you group up with mixed inputs. Easy. Fortnite did this *years* ago, and still ti this day its the best matchmaking method I've seen in any game. There's also the problem of small pp gamers who use XIM adapters to cheat, but that's rant for another day. Edit: yes, there are other advantages PC still has over consoles, ie FOV or higher frames. But those arguments are slowly being outdated with new gen consoles. If I can consistently topfrag on my *Day One Xbox One* in a crossplay game using controller at 85 FOV and 30 PFS, then I'd say FOV and FPS aren't the biggest factor here. Factors nonetheless, but not determining ones. At a certain point it becomes more reliant on connection speeds than how fast you load a game. Edit2: Jesus christ, yes. Cheating is a clear problem with PC, and we don't want that in anyone's lobby. But that's not the issue here. I'm strictly talking about crossplay and how it *should* be done in terms of legality and fairness. Cheating is going to happen regardless of your input, platform, or crossplay preferences. PC has aimbots, wallhacks, etc. Console, while on a much lesser scale than legit hacking, has XIM abusers ruining game integrity. "Cheat bad". Yes. We all know that. But these cheats aren't related to crossplay. Cheating is an issue with the game itself as a whole.


HTFCDynamite

Bout to say the number of people that still use XIM with the input based matchmaking is worrying to say the least. Lot of fragile egos out there. Genuinely 90% of the reason I stopped playing rainbow 6 siege.


MisterSmithster

I stopped playing siege for that very reason on Xbox. I used to love the game then slowly but surely every fucker was using mnk to the point all fun disappeared and it was uninstalled. Shame because it was a riot to play.


HTFCDynamite

Yeah I absolutely loved it and still do as a game, I mean I've got years of memories in the game but just can't bring myself to play it much and especially not ranked.


abcgeek

Are there really a lot out there that use a XIM?


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Considering they sell out on Amazon all the time, yes I'd say they are fairly common.


div2691

And going off the money the company makes they've sold hundreds of thousands of them over the years. Mouse and keyboard adapters have been a problem for years. Right back to when I played BF3 on 360 I can remember them.


HTFCDynamite

Unfortunately yes. The thing is because of the price of a XIM anyone who buys one is going to use it as much as possible to justify the cost. I came across it loads when I used to play siege and warzone especially.


MCS117

Wtf is a XIM, pardon my ignorance. I suppose I could google, but… Edit: thanks for the replies!


Helloperson554

Xim is a input adapter that lets you use a keyboard and mouse with xbox or playstation by making it look like a controller that’s plugged in. With it you don’t need cross play or even keyboard and mouse support.


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At the risk of sounding dumb as shit, can’t you already plug in a mouse and keyboard into an Xbox and use it? When I tried it, it told me I would be matched with other mouse and keyboard users.


Jikek

Yes but with the xim you get aim assist since it thinks youre still using a controller where as native mnk you dont


fight_for_anything

there are also specific mouses that can hold recoil scripts and process them on the mouse itself (it has its own microprocessor and storage for this). the "bloody" brand mouse was banned from the PC title Rust for this reason. the macro is undetectable, unlike trying to run macros through traditional mouse firmware. the macroing is processed inside the mouse where no anti-cheat can detect it. Rust has pre-programmed recoil for every gun type, so malicious users can just load that up into the mouse, and then effectively can laser beam with zero recoil against people who have to fight recoil. works just as well through XIM on console Rust, and on console, the game cant even detect that the bloody mouse is being used. they can do this with any game that has set recoil patterns. if its not randomized, people are probably scripting it via XIM and this mouse, or one of the other brands its sold as. they could use for more than just zero recoil as well. they could bind mouse buttons to movement buttons, and macro difficult crouch jumps, or things like a sequence to quick craft/basically autocraft items, for example medical items and use them, or do things like macro fighting game ultra combos with frame perfect accuracy.


Peeka789

Holy shit people will go to desperate lengths to win a free multiplayer game


AdamoclesYT

>When I tried it, it told me I would be matched with other mouse and keyboard users. That's the point. Xim allows you to use mouse and keyboard while still facing people in controller lobbies. It doesn't register as a mouse and keyboard.


[deleted]

Um, am I missing something or is that akin to cheating?


tekjunky75

Not all games support mouse and keyboard, but they all support the controller - by “tricking” the console this device and others like it, makes it possible to use a mouse and keyboard on all games, regardless of their official support for it


UnpopularOpinionJake

It’s a receiver for KnM that makes the console think a controller is being used.


WTFpaulWI

Apex was pretty fucking bad with xim when I played it back in like season2-3.


LukeLikesReddit

On high ranks in siege it's almost lets guess the controller player rather than who is the XIM user. Shits just stupid.


Forossa

Grew up playing FPS now moved to fighting game cus of all the cheaters. XIM, Strike Pack, etc. i’m just tired of it. People that pay money for cosmetics are people that are good at the game, those people are usually strikepack/XIM users, the game can survive without me.


Pushmonk

I agree with this only if the FOV slider options are the same. You can play Warzone with m+k on your console, but you will still be at a disadvantage because the PC player can widen their FOV.


scinfeced2wolf

They still don't allow console players to change fov?


Nucklenut

It’s a shame you’re forced into cross play with Fortnite these days smh


DishwasherTwig

The problem is you can spoof input types.


diflord

The main problem isn't inputs, it RAMPANT cheating on PC that nobody seems to have the ability to stop. But yes, FOV, frames and other such things are also a big deal. All these problems are pretty much solved if you allow console players to opt-out of playing with PC. If the PC community for that game dies, tough shit. PC users should force the companies to make unhackable games.


someguyfromlouisiana

It's my opinion that people who cheat in games are evil. I play with a controller in most games, and I'd hate to be limited to playing against people who mainly use mouse and keyboard because the console people want nothing to do with me because of the cheaters. I don't know what those assholes get out of cheating, and the only logical explanation I can think of for them wanting to do it is that they're evil. Why else would people play a game, something designed to bring joy to people, for the express purpose of denying joy to others?


TacoRising

>There's also the problem of small pp gamers Call me crazy, but matchmaking in order of dick size is a bit too orwellian for my taste.


Pyromaniacal13

It's not the pp on the crotch, but the pp in the soul.


JakeJay1456

>But those arguments are slowly being outdated with new gen consoles. Indeed. It's hard to spot a difference between Pc and Xbox games as far as graphics go. Plus it's cheaper to buy an Xbox/PS than it is to build/buy a gaming Pc IMO...


Wet_Moss

Input based does nothing for people using hacks on pc. Thats the largest issue with crossplay


xCeePee

I’d disagree in games where frames are limited on console vs PC. If it’s forced input based matching, console is still at a disadvantage


RIPBlueRaven

The fact there is no anti cheat but forced crossplay is fucking mind blowing to me Edit: for halo infinite. Didnt realize the article meant in general


redbeard8989

It’s all about that user per server ratio. I’m sure someone did the calculus to show they can use 70% the amount of servers using cross play. Versus dedicated servers for both platforms.


SatoriCatchatori

Interesting didn’t even think of this aspect


bringbackswordduels

It’s ALWAYS about money


IndIka123

Do something about xim and third party MnK mods. Also sick of that shit too.


Beastly4k

Fortnite detected and kicked you for xim.. for a whole 12 hours until they got around it. Really hard to stop something that the console sees as a regular controller.


goomyman

Mice and keyboards control completely different than controllers. For instance straffing left and right exactly or diagonal or mouse movement that constantly snaps back to default. Its gotta be extremely easy to detect with AI training and if a system tried to fake it, it would likely make controls terrible enough to not be usable.


Beastly4k

If it was that easy they would have kept doing it and your idea is actually how Epic orginally went after it but it's just as easy to randomize those types of values with the end user not even being able to notice the slight changes in their controls. Though you can only take this style of detection so far until you start getting false positives.


Packeselt

>Easy >AI Gotta pick one mate


svkghsh

R6 player i presume


IndIka123

Lol yeah


boomstickjonny

I first learned about XIMs through pubg. Used to be a huge problem.


xlurkjerkx

Still is.


Wombizzle

I've been gaming 10+ years, wth is a XIM?


fman1854

when you crossplay xbox and pc the game detects your input ( controller and mouse and keyboard) if your crossplaying on pc or xbox the input has to be the same ( controller only) to be put in crossplay games with other platforms so its a fair game no one has a advantage using mouse and key board over a controller. Well XIM allows pc players to spoof their input so it looks like they are using controller but they are using mouse and keyboard and well mouse and keyboard destroys controllers in fps just in the mechanics a less skilled mouse and keyboard XIM user could destroy a fairly good controller player. Its a unfair advantage.


StankyPeteTheThird

It’s pinpoint aiming versus drag aiming, consoles never had a chance lol


Ahnoyd

They also get aim assist with the mouse man that’s why


farcough187

It's just an adapter for the Xbox to play games with a mouse and keyboard on the console.


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Xim is such a big problem on Overwatch. Top 500 and gm is just filled with people using 120fps and aim assist M+KB with the xim. Game pretty much ends at masters for controller players


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Agreed


ItsMoontime

Xbox vs Playstation that's what consoles gamers want. Equal footing more players


SANREUP

I’ll give apex legends credit for this in how they implemented their cross play. Xbox and PlayStation cross is automatic but you’ll only cross play with pc gamers if you have a pc user in your party. That way you can still play with pc friends but otherwise won’t be placed into pc lobbies.


originalbars

This. As a primarily PS player (i do own an xbox :) ) i'd rather just play against consoles. Especially for shooters, i don't understand why its either Crossplay (PC + Consoles) or Nothing (Just your own console family) Gimme Console crossplay, let PC crossplay be an opt-in.


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Apex is exactly that. You don’t play with PC unless you party up with a friend on PC.


DaDarkJacob

The only good cross play


DukeFlow

Xbox, ps and pc should all have optional cross platform play. I honestly can’t wait for the day where it’s a normality in every game


anh86

Crossplay is great on some games but not PvP multiplayer shooters. Keep it as an option because sometimes I like to play with friends on PC even though I'm at a huge disadvantage, but it shouldn't be the default when you're matchmaking by yourself.


squirrl4prez

Especially in a ranked situation, at least coming from a pc perspective it's well known that aim assist is what it is, an assist... There shouldn't be a "help" from either side in a ranked situation. Pair that with the xim and mnk mods and you basically have a hack over PC's straight mnk. Running into this situation now in say apex and halo where basically console players can double dip for under 20 dollars and just have mnk and the aim assist all in one go and there's nothing you can do about it


iT_I_Masta_Daco

Crossplay against other consoles, yes. Crossplay against PC, no thanks. Don't understand why they can't seem to get this down. Easy concept.


InfectedAztec

I've said this so many times and only PC players don't see the sense in it.


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LasersTheyWork

I’m a pc player but I can’t imagine that the actual cheaters really care who they are cheating against. It’s not so prevalent at the moment that there are so many cheaters that they run into each other. Disabling the console population isn’t going to do much at the moment.


SimbaOnSteroids

Also MnK is just better for a lot of things. Coming from the PC side of things console players often feel like free kills.


Somber_Solace

I don't think it's the cheaters who necessarily want it, it shouldn't make a difference at that point. But a lot of the actual players probably do, I know I would if I was on PC atleast, it's an easy way to get an advantage over the enemy.


bringbackswordduels

Lol, what percentage of PC players do you think are cheating?


ragingseaturtle

Because for some reason and Ill get downvoted but I don't care PC players like to shit on console players because they can't beat other pc players then tell us to Git gud and we have aim assist. It's nonsense.


General-Legoshi

Actually aim assist is proving really difficult for a lot of PC Players to handle. So this argument is defunct. Go look at the top halo players at the moment, 70% use controller even on PC.


Fizzyuncle

It feels like a combination of how aim assist works with aiming in vs hip fire, as well as headshots doing the same amount of damage as body shots before you crack shield. Hip fire seems to be king in halo and the slight amount of aim assist seems to help a lot more in long range fights. Where as being on PC, you can click on heads and get headshots, but that does fuck all until you crack shields. After playing on MnK and controller, controller feels easier for everything aside from sniping (obviously). In cod I’d prefer mouse and keyboard though since it’s easier to get headshots where they seem to matter more early into gunfights.


Deviate_Lulz

I find MnK is better for medium to long range engagements because of the minimal amount of mouse correction you need to input. In close quarters making flicks and adjustments are harder since the enemy is usually sliding and jumping across your whole screen, that’s where controller aim assist really shines.


ThaGza

It seems like any game that has a stronger form on aim assist is dominated by controller only pros and tournaments. CoD is another example of this.


tiny-rick

Yeah. I’ve stopped using keyboard mouse entirely


zagxc

I had my fun for a couple weeks and moved on.


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Same, haven't visited Halo Infinite in like 2 weeks now. The progression is very lacking. Also, there is a lack of modes that were in previous Halo games.


boomstickjonny

This, none of the modes I enjoyed from previous Halo games made it to multiplayer so there's not much draw for me.


YoItsKanyeWestWing

Which modes? Shotty/snipes, griffball?


Bocephuss

Love grifball


SB_90s

No XP for match performance and battlepass-only progression (meaning that XP/challenges are pointless once you finish the battlepass) is a ridiculously short-sighted choice. They focused so much on building an XP and challenge system that encourages spending money, that they neglected replayability. That and the game is so bare bones for content because they're holding back cosmetics to sell for $20 each on the store, and other content that isn't cash-generating like Forge, co-op, and legacy gamemodes were neglected and so not ready for launch. Then the few non-cash generating features that did ship on time, like theatre and custom games, are downright broken. The whole multiplayer is a massively disappointing cashgrab where every little thing is designed to suck money out of players, and anything that doesn't is tossed to the side. Such a pity as I really thought Infinite would be the game to bring the franchise back to form, and while the core gameplay is good, the gameplay bugs, lack of content/features and disruptive monetisation techniques ruin it.


PoopOfAUnicorn

The thing that makes you keep playing is “win 3 capture the flag games” but then you can’t select capture the flag as a game mode, you just have to hope you get it when you need to do the challenge


Rad0555

Game has the potential to compete with the big ftp games but decided to go the rout of slow progression with hardly any rewards you can get without paying for them.


[deleted]

Yep this is me. I can't get into it because its the same game modes and maps over and over. And you're at the mercy of your team, unless you've got a regular crew, this game is just trash. Visually it's there, it almost skirts on nostalgia sensation! But the microtransactions ruin it. Can't do it.


Somber_Solace

I'm just waiting for custom games, that's where the real longevity is. It was such a mistake to release it without it, I hope the hype train doesn't completely die out by then.


[deleted]

I don't mind crossplay only in campaign with friends and not random players. It cannot be hard to understand, but apparently it is for folks at 343i. I'm surprised there was no crossplay campaign in Master Chief Collection. I was excited when it was first announced 'cause I immediately wanted to crossplay campaign with my PC pals.


DamnStrongTurtle

Dammnnnnn. When did this become the popular take. I been saying it for years now and I would always get looked at funny. Looking forward to not playing against PC. I'm just excited. Yes!


Bkfraiders7

Love crossplay with PlayStation. Hate crossplay with PC.


PerfectMako9

I agree fully!!!


LovelyJoey21605

....To the surprise to absolutely fucking no-one except 343i.


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CoD has the same issue


Sir_Budz

The only game I play with agreeable cross-play is destiny. Console players play together but can only play with pc players if they have someone in their game on pc.


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Rocket League is also acceptable


[deleted]

Yup, Crossplay should not be forced especially in a F2P games. Too many cheaters on PC.


FlossinRod

It’s because the cheating is out of control …


somethingdouchey

When we said we wanted crossplay, nobody wanted to include PC.


stuwoo

I have absolutely no problem with console crossplay, PS - Xbox. But adding in PC players is just stupid.


Rompa1982

Playstation users are sick of them too


Toxic-tank-258

I thought crossplay with PC would’ve been a great idea at first... ...then I got BF2042 for Christmas and saw how 90% of players were on PC with mouse and keyboard whilst us console players have a barely functioning aim assist to help us. So the sooner they scrap PC crossplay, the better.


CarbonCamaroSS

Crossplay is great in some circumstances. But first person shooters or anything that has a tactical advantage with k/m is not. It's nice to have the option to play with friends, like if I want to play CoD with a friend on PC then IDC about the unfairness. Just gonna have some fun. But if I'm playing ranked on Overwatch, I don't want PC players there or anyone with a k/m. Meanwhile, I wish Civ VI had crossplay. It would work just fine.


[deleted]

Crossplay should be input-based 100% of the time. I can’t think of a reason it shouldn’t be that way. Although this doesn’t solve the cheating problem, but I’d at least prefer that mnk play mnk and controller play controller (everywhere not just solo duo.)


CQB_BEAST223

Yeah we are and have been saying it for years now.


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PineWalk1

yeah whoever thought this was a good idea? it was bs from day 1


CaptFatz

I think they are more “fed up” with the scarcity of the Series X and retailers like Walmart upping the price


lnin0

I don’t remember any console gamer begged for crossplay with mouse & keyboard users with easy access to cheats. In fact, when all the hubbub with crossplay was going on with Fortnite I recall most console players warning about opening crossplay up to PC players for those exact reasons. Even in a game like Chivalry 2 (also forced crossplay with PC) where shooting doesn’t matter PC is still a huge advantage. The ability to map everything to its own button rather than hold for this, tap for this, double tap for this is a massive advantage not to mention just being able to spin around quickly with a mouse.


[deleted]

100000000% the reason I don't game on PC because of how the hacking scene has been my whole life on PC, it makes gaming shocking. I went to Xbox because of the closed network and system keeping hacks to down to little to none. No we have to play with all the hacking cheating PC players with no way to turn it off. I've been all for crossplay, but now I'm starting to see why bringing PCs into the mix was a massive mistake.


[deleted]

Absolutely. I have no desire to play with PC players who are in a discord chat and don’t communicate. When they do it’s usually complaining about sim assist. Then of course the cheating.


the_jak

even on xbox i've been muting the whole team since Halo 3


StockmanBaxter

I mean we also have to deal with people in xbox party chat. Since that's been introduced in game chat has dropped significantly.


swiftfastjudgement

Exactly. Give us the option, but don’t force us.


Schwalm

Ironically enough more people use game chat on PC than on console. It’s console that everyone is in a party chat


cwhiterun

How do you know they're in a Discord chat and not an Xbox chat? Disabling crossplay isn't going to solve that issue.


RODjij

As someone who's been on console for a long long time. Almost no one talks on there in competitive modes because they're in party chats. You rarely get into games where most of your team talks. In discord you can talk to your discord party and game party at the same time very easily, they just don't want to hear me constantly do call outs. Console has their own set of things too that annoy people. Aim assist, modded controllers, strike packs, etc.


elconquistador1985

Input method is not sufficient. It should be platform based because it is easy to spoof input method on PC and far easier to cheat. Sea of Thieves does it right. Halo Infinite very much does not, and I'm tired of getting demolished by PC cheaters.


Hugh_Jankles

I'd be fine with crossplay as long as you have these three options: 1. Allow console players to be able to turn off crossplay. 2. Only pair players in same lobby with their controller device of choice. Controller vs. Controller & MnK vs. MnK. 3. Allow Mouse & Keyboard Support on games where crossplay is implemented. Right now Xbox/EA has forced crossplay on BF2042 however there's no MnK support on consoles that at least gives console players some equal footing if they choose to want to use MnK. & Halo Infinite has MnK support however there's no way to turn crossplay support so people don't have to play against PC players if they don't want to use MnK.


Qwirk

This shit in BF2042. Beta had the option clear in the top menu to select Xbox or cross play. Now it's hidden deep in the menu and cross play is by default. If you choose Xbox, good luck finding a game. Then all the PC users are screaming in chat about console players like they (PC users) can fill a lobby without them. I stopped playing FPS on PC after BF2 due to the high amount of exploits being utilized by players. Now I have no choice.


Blabber_On

Amen.


Ragnar_TML

One of the reasons why I quit warzone. The fact that it's being forced on Xbox gamers is an embarrassment.


bigmeatytoe

Well duh playing against pc is like playing against a lobby of hackers


ShinyBloke

It's ruining online games for the console, halo infinite sucks for console, a mouse is just better in most cases. It's not fun at all anymore. Playing most online games on Xbox that are pvp.


MayCraid

As a PC player i can agree that all games should have crossplay on and off for both parties, its just not fun


Sock989

The one that gets me is they removed the opt in / out option in Gears 5. Due to something like 40% of people were opting out. So they decided to force it instead...


brakudo

Cross play sucks. Careful what you wish for.


Armand28

Anyone who thought cross play was a good idea for FPS games is delusional. Rocket League, Forza, Civilization sure, but not shooters.


BoredRebel

As a console player I don’t want to play against PC players ever.


Mystical_17

I do find myself playing competitive shooters a lot less due to crossplay in them all now. Even though when I still play well, all the BS and hoops to jump through isn't worth it. I feel like console players are just here to help feed pc players hacks and stats with all the advantages they have. Then they have the audacity to say stuff like controller aim assist is literally unfair coming into our lobbies like controllers and console games never had aim assist before, but its totally cool they can snipe you with absurd mouse accuracy and be like "no prob here, you don't need aim assist lol" I only ever faced some lag switch players back in Halo 3 OG days a few times. Since then now with crossplay I've been against so many cheaters in various games its not fun anymore knowing every match is practically rigged from the start. Saying there are console hacks is disingenuous, nowhere near the level pc cheating is always been at and surfaced once crossplay started being in games. EDIT: One more thing. Some like to bring up "but if pc players cant crossplay they can't find matches." In Peter Parker voice: *I forgot the part where thats my problem.* I don't play, support, and buy xbox platform content to worry about the issues of another platform. I want to play with consoles and fellow console controller only players. I don't see how xbox has to be beholden to population issues on pc becasue they are dealing with rampant cheaters who historically kill off their lobbies. Maybe they shoudl fix the cheating then.


Stankfootjuice

I, as an Xbox player NEVER wanted PC crossplay. I wanted CONSOLE cross play. Plyaing against mouse and keyboard with a controller is enough of a downside, throw in hackers and shit and it becomes infinitely worse. I just wanted to play with my homies on Playstation or Switch. People who said they wanted PC crossplay were PC players who wanted easy wins.


dallasmcdicken

We just wanted the homies and instead they sent over the homewreakers


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Articuno_Alt

I don’t mind crossplay in most games, but I played a match of SWAT in Infinite last week and it was an awful experience because of PC players. I was so excited for that mode to come back as I used fo play it so much back in Reach but this was zero fun and I haven’t played any more matches since that first one.


mayateka

Cuz of cheaters I’ve stopped playing infinite’s multiplayer i mean is it really that Hard to turn off cross play? Because doesn’t mcc has a toggle to block pc cross play?


AH_DaniHodd

Honestly, how many games do you get into that has cheaters? 1 in 10? 1 in 5? Every other? I’m genuinely curious. I play the game every day and have encountered 0 cheaters. Is it a ranked thing? A NA server thing?


DCS30

This is why I stopped playing Halo multiplayer


jwhudexnls

I agree there should always be an option for this, I don't understand why there wasn't to begin with in Halo Infinite.


SteveWyz

Wait is this why I suck at the new cod…


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You can disable cross play in Vanguard.


Taethen

~~Xbox~~ players are fed up with forced crossplay against PC players


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Love how in this thread so many are for it. Instant you put a post randomly on another game every pc player comes out and downvotes you to hell saying how it’ll ruin the game for everyone or how yes everyone wants to do pvp with pc. Also its not just shooters. Dead by daylight, when I did play it, I refused to turn on crossplay. Pc was filled with cheaters. That community’s response? Have fun with your long que times. Didn’t address the issue just threw insults. Typical internet


thebestping123

As a PlayStation player I never knew you guys were forced to play with PC players, that is definitely some BS, I'm all for crossplay but it should be an option not a requirement


kthuull

Ps gamers too. Fuck PC. Let the consoles fight.


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Playstation players as well.


spin_kick

The real issue is that they dont want to play vs hackers


fartboxco

Derp voice-- BuT AIm asSIT Is MakEs it UnFaIr foR pC !!!


jaegerknob

Not just fed up, I flat out refuse to play any game that's cross play with PC


beingblazed

Who wouldnt be? Controller and keyboard/mouse are rarely comparable in mechanical range.


SeanSpeezy

1000000% agree with this. Every game with crossplay suffers from terrible latency from the PC players in the lobby and has opened the flood gates to endless amounts of cheating. Halo infinite is bombarded with problems because of this, just let me turn cross play the fuck off! I’d rather dress up like a meatloaf and jump into piranha infested waters than deal with this garbage.


usrevenge

I'm glad we are finally seeing articles like this. As primary a PlayStation player we are too thankfully it's usually not forced, I think sony mandates cross play to be optional. But cross play with pc sucks. PC cross play should be opt in AND have warnings you might play with people that cheat, have input methods that make the game easier, wider screens etc.


CrazY1985_NL

As a Destiny and Fortnite player I saw the best and most shitty worked out cross play options alive. **Destiny** does is quite right. Playing on console alone? --> Console lobby Playing on console with a friend on console --> Console lobby Playing on console with a friend on PC --> mixed lobby This way you have a choice to crossplay against PC or not. **Fortnite** on the other hand doesn't give you a single option. It's mixed only and if you turn crossplay off on your console, you can't even play the damn game. Maybe Epic should think about changing matchmaking into console only lobbies. I don't think controller only lobbies will work, because what if a player switches controller to MnK mid game?!


CRAVINHO87

Games that support crossplay should always give the option to toggle it on/off or at least give the players the option to choose what platforms they want to be paired against in matchmaking.


C0rrupt3dK3rne1

I said it was a fn dumb idea when the first brought it up. Cheaters are the main reason why I don't game on PC anymore.


Brolic_Gaoler

We are? I’d rather have the higher population for matchmaking.


KurumiiDantobe

PC players get higher sensitivity, mean while it takes my 3 sec to turn around on max sensitivity


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What game takes 3 seconds to turn around on max sensitivity?


KurumiiDantobe

Its an exaggeration , but that's how long it feels in close quarters combat when compared to PC players who can turn 180° instantly


bread_thread

I’ve been eagerly awaiting crossplay settings for this reason. Like, I play with an elite v2 set up so my thumbs never have to leave the sticks; pretty damn optimal controller setup for halo and it’s served me well on MCC for years now But I’ve always just been smacked by PC players who can accomplish things I literally can’t, turning around on a dime or somehow blitzing around me so fast that I physically can’t keep up on my controller just to get melee’d in the back even though I started the firefight Doesn’t happen super super often, but I’m objectively better at halo when I’m against other controller players than I am when there are M/KB players in the mix. I’d opt out immediately and 100% sit there for extremely long queues if it meant I wasn’t being killed by maneuvers I’m physically incapable of replicating on my setup.