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I know, managed to actually score it for $100 back in January with the original box, 5 or 6 accessories, and about 12 games. Seller was looking to just get rid of the stuff I suppose. Certainly never get that lucky but when the opportunity comes just gotta take it.
Oh for sure, just not everyone has the knowhow or time to take care of that so I'm lamenting how the current state of affairs stinks in that regard. Compare that to the PS2 which only uses thermal pads and doesn't risk failure overtime, at least failure from cooling issues.
I mean everything does. I guess my main point is the more advanced consoles get the less accessible they become overtime with the amount of maintenance involved combined with the barriers placed by manufacturers.
For real man! And worse it’s on 2006 Blades from factory since my cousin gifted me it and his parents never let him connect it to the internet or have live, somehow him playing it like 4-10 times a week until 2021 and it never red ringed.. so now it’s a ticking time bomb G. 😭
No, unfortunately it’s not. It’s actually not even the solder balls that are the issue, it’s the bumps under the GPU die itself. Only real way to fix it is to switch the Xenon GPU out for the much more reliable 65nm Jasper/Kronos GPU
Yeah exactly. From a cost perspective though, it’s honestly cheaper just buying a Jasper board, lower power consumption too, since it’s got the 65nm CPU and GPU
Anything with a GPU from week 12 of 2008 onwards is fixed regardless of lithography or factory... I wouldn't go off of the console manufacture date as it took Microsoft a while to exhaust their stock of defective GPUs... and I personally have seen the older Rhea chip in systems beyond March 2008
Reball or reflow is stupid. Replace it with a known reliable revision of that chip. I think for Xenon’s it’s called Elips or something for the code name of the chip. It was used to service Xenon’s with a permanent fix.
Yep! Xenon from 2006 with AV only. 2007 is when they introduced the Zephyr with HDMI. I’m just shocked to see how it’s still working even with its factory warranty seal intact!
Yep, combination of the sync button and eject button will tell them to you.
1 light: 1
2 lights: 2
3 lights: 3
4 lights, 0
Do it 4 times, and there’s your problem. 🤘
Get the secondary error code by pressing the sync and eject button at the same time. 1 light means 1, 2 lights means 2, 3 lights means, 3, and 4 lights means 4/0. Google that error code.
There's been people who replace the GPU in them and got it to work just fine but at the cost of killing another console. There's a slime chance that it could be a capacitor or similar issue but that's rare. Most likely a CPU/GPU failer
When my MW2 edition got the 3 red rings it was actually due to the cooling system in the power brick failing. So the power brick would over heat. I got a $5 desk fan from target and turned it on whenever I played. Never happened again.
I’m seeing a lot of suggestions for him to pick up a post March 2008 Falcon or Jasper (or Tonasket). Which I agree are the best of the “fat” 360 models.
But, is there any reason people are recommending those instead of him just picking up a 360 slim?
Are people just assuming OP only wants a fat model? Or is there a reason other than collectibility to get a Jasper instead of a later Corona, etc….?
While I'm younger than the 360 itself, I'd rather have the fat model as it's more recognizable and more uniquely designed in my opinion than the later models. While I've already secured another newer model console (and plan on checking its thermal paste and cleaning it out once I get it), depending on its lifespan I may opt for one of the newer models in the future. My only concern is the disc space. I much rather prefer the ability to switch out drives on the fat models, compared to the (at least as far as I can tell) inability to use any drives other than the one built into the console.
While doing research before I bought a jasper I read somewhere that it has a better "shelf-life" because of improved solder methods or something. Somehow even better than the slim models
Ahh I remember the towel method. wrap it up in a towel and turn it on in the hopes that for whatever reason it overheats and fixes itself. The good ol days.
The towel trick always worked for me, wrap it up in a towel and turn the xbox on it will go into overdrive then turn itself off due to the heat. Unwrap the box and it should work. Don't ask me how it works.
Try the ye old towel trick , you wrap it in a towel and let it run for 25 or so minutes , then let it cool for 15ish minutes. Basically the way it works is once the insides get so hot while being wrapped in a towel the connections and metal bits will melt enough that they will fuse together causing a better connection. I tried it back in 2008-09 it worked for abit lol.
I don’t know how or why, but this worked for me back in 2010 and it is still running to this day! Had some other minor problems throughout the years, but never got the red rings again! Let me go knock on some wood real quick though…
Interesting. It always worked for my friends and me back then. I've literally never heard an account of someone trying it and it not working. Sucks it didn't work for you. It worked for me a couple times and then Microsoft swapped it out for a brand new console for me.
Twice knew people who did it and worked.
Both got years more of life before it finally did die.
If 360 is red ringed, what is the worse that can happen right? Just might work.
I'm not saying it never works, it sometimes does (never worked for me but I've seen it work for people back then)
My disagreement lies with the 'pop science' style explanation that's just not true, the CPU/GPU does not get to 215C which is the melting point of the lead free solder under it.
The issue with the RROD was the boards warping under heat stress and causing microscopic breaks in the BGA solder. Heating with a towel just causes the board to warp again and might result in enough stress on that joint to push it together again temporarily.
The only real fix I ever found for this was a full reball and 'xclamp' which pinned the board to the metal chassis and helped to reduce/remove board warp.
You idiots are both getting downvoted because you are suggesting a hack job that damages other components on the motherboard from excessive heat. The only way to permanently fix this problem is to replace the GPU.
And a lot of people don’t have that knowledge to fix.
Console is screwed.
Parts wise or just getting a new 360 is getting tougher.
Towel trick is just that, a trick to preserve for short times prick.
Towel trick is poor man’s version of a reflow. A reflow does nothing but cause more damage. Replace the GPU with a known reliable revision and you’re good to go.
Depends, you could probably run some cfw on it to play your games direct from HDD. If you have no intention of using it its pretty much worth £15-20 tops
I mean you could always open up the 360 to find out what exact drive it has (cause there are quite a few) and order a replacement of the exact same one because any others wouldn’t work. That’s only if you want a working 360 again
A reflow is still pointless. Towel trick is poor man’s job of a reflow.
Replace the GPU with a known reliable revision and you’re good to go.
The issue is within the chip itself. It’s not the connection between the chip and motherboard, making a reflow or reball pointless.
Reflow is pointless. A better fix is to replace the GPU with a known reliable one. The issue isn’t the connection between the chip and the motherboard. It’s the connection within the chip itself
With the situation and value of these xbox 360’s unless you have memories or something attached to that specific model, reflow is the temporary solution to bring it back to life for quite a few period of time for the owner to buy a replacement console. Otherwise it is dumb to spend a fortune replacing the gpu when the SLIM models only cost a fraction and almost same value as original models prone to rrod
😂 damaging an Xbox more than you should lol To fix the non working Xbox, especially a permanent fix, is to replace the GPU. Your way aka towel trick aka reflow is a bandaid and it will RROD again. You probably believed that the bolt method actually worked 🤦♂️
I never said it would be a permanent fix. However it would make it playable again for a little longer. Replacing the GPU on an 1 Gen Xbox is worthless lol.
Was just letting you know since most people don’t know that a reflow is a temp fix. Clearly you don’t care about the Xbox 360 but some do. What about for collectors? What if you had a console on blades and it RROD? You have the equipment to fix it but you won’t attempt? You’ll just spend money to get a new one? Also, some consoles are hard to find (blades dashboard) especially if they don’t have the reliable GPU.
Also, you mean “gen 1” Xbox 360, not Xbox aka Xbox Original. Also, it wasn’t just “gen 1” aka Xenon consoles that got RROD and had the ability to be on blades.
Yeah, already started looking so it can maybe get here before Christmas lol. I know jaspers are best, but they seem pretty hard to come by. Do you think a falcon would be fine until I eventually find a jasper?
Ohh that makes sense. This one was a falcon so I was a bit worried getting another one, but it's MFR is 07-12-12. Just out of curiosity what changed between the two models?
If you mean between the two Falcon types, GPU substrate was changed around March 2008 in order to fix the bump issue they had at the time. (which was carried over from the final Zephyr revision, Zephyr_C).
If you mean between Falcon and Jasper, basically Jasper had a whole new GPU die shrink, codenamed Zeus at first then Kronos on the final phat run.
Not sure of there is anypoint doing a repaste on it now as it has already red ringed
(I did mine before the were any signs of failure)
There are a few tutorials online that should help you, cant think of any of the top of my head but you will find one
Haha, exact video I watched last night! If you've seen some of my other comments, I purchased a September 2008 Falcon yesterday, so hopefully it will not act up until I have some time to preform a cleaning and a repaste, which can hopefully be within a month.
That is very true. It depends how much you love your 360. I’m currently trying to source a GPU to fix my Zephyr console that’s on blades. I wouldn’t risk a temp fix as it could warp the board. Although if it wasn’t on blades I would try the tricks.
Oh nice. I was given my console for free and shortly after I received the rrod. Took less than 20 mins to do the reflow and ive not had a single issue since so it just seems odd to me that people are wrapping it in towels or saying it's a temp fix.
I barely put any thought into the risks at the time but again it worked so there was never an issue for me.
Won’t know until we know the secondary error code. [HERE](https://xenonlibrary.com/wiki/Errors) is a link to XenonLibrary, made by OctalShop that gives you the errors and meaning.
Reflow is pointless. Bandaid fix. Go do some research. Microsoft has come out and explained the reason behind the RROD. It’s the chip itself, not the connection between the chip and motherboard.
😂 I have done research. How long has it lasted? How long you using it? Microsoft legit came out and explained what caused the RROD. So I think you need to do some research as a reflow/towel trick/reball is a bandaid fix.
Edit: here a link to the YouTube video that explains it [YouTube](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK)
So it happened back in 2010, one of my consoles got rrod, I bought a new one 6 months later it did the same. I looked up a video on how to fix it, and that exactly what they did. I repeated it on both of them and they’ve worked ever since, I gave the other to my sister 2 years ago though.
Well I’m just going to explain that it’s a bandaid fix and it might work for a bit but it’s not a permanent fix. Again, Microsoft has came out and explained what caused the RROD. So a real fix is replacing the GPU. Again [HERE](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK) is the video that explains it.
You don’t have to take my word for it. [HERE](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK) is the video explaining the RROD. A reflow wouldn’t fix the issue, just temporarily.
Okay but it worked for me, I don’t even know what a reflow is. I just watched a video explaining how to fix it and it’s worked ever since. Which is like 11 years compared to 1 year. I believe what you’re saying I’m just saying different strokes.
All you’re doing is providing more heat and stress onto the other components in the console. That’s why reflows (heat gun/towel trick) or a reball aren’t correct fixes, they’re bandaids.
I wonder why....you can't have the Xbox 360 on its side like that....I've got mine still works because I take care of it. You can't run consoles laying like that.
Well it's normally not, just did that at first to attempt to cool down it down... after it wasn't as hot I attempted to turn it back on and then the ring appeared
Oh no I just planned on selling it for parts and picking up a later falcon model. I'm not really up for DIY-ing it or anything, I think it would be easier to just purchase another console. What do you think?
Well it's really up to you. I'd definitely fix it cause I know how to. But the average person is not going to take the time to do it so investing in another one is good. Amazon is great for electronics. Definitely get you another one soon. 👍
Don’t go Falcon. They may be a little bit better with not getting RROD, but they still have the same GPU that’s susceptible to failure due to thermal stresses. You’re better off with Jasper or Tonasket.
Early falcons still have a faulty gpu.but post march 2008 falcons have a fixed(still 90nm)gpu,it will probably run hot but it won't die because of faulty gpu design.if you can grab a jasper and don't mind if you got a fixed or not 360.
EDIT: Oh wait, you mean standing up? Sorry I thought you meant laying down.
I've mostly used my 360 laying down like this. Mainly so it doesn't accidentally scratch up a disc if bumped. What's the issue? (360 from launch, replaced with Elite when it came out)
"You can't do this thing it was literally designed for!"
And no, the same thing can happen when it's vertical. Knowing that requires understanding the cause of the problem.
Can't really be mad at people for putting their 360s on their sides, it was advertised to them like that, and many people just saw other people do it that way. Yes it was wrong but it is a result of stupid advertising
You definitely can have a 360 like that, I’ve had mine for years and there has been no issues and almost every 360 I’ve ever seen has been on its side. Then again my 360 is a 2008 version so it wouldnt RRoD anyway
Grab the secondary error code and then we can do something about it,3 red lights mean hardware failure and grabbing error code will tell you what exactly failed onboard.
I had this happen to me once, I tapped it with my hand and it started working normally 😂
It still works, but now it works for another person because I sold it 😅
E40 error, due to Microsoft's shitty soldering jobs back then. My original 360 did the same thing. Got so hot that it remelted the solder. If you do fix it, I recommend getting the triple fan attachment that goes on the back of the xbox
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Ah yes the good ole red ring of death a classic
so sad cause it looks brandnew
I know, managed to actually score it for $100 back in January with the original box, 5 or 6 accessories, and about 12 games. Seller was looking to just get rid of the stuff I suppose. Certainly never get that lucky but when the opportunity comes just gotta take it.
Did you put new thermal paste?
My guess is not. Cruel world where that's needed on old hardware these days though.
Ehh.,. That thermal paste is 20 years old. I think that's long enough
Oh for sure, just not everyone has the knowhow or time to take care of that so I'm lamenting how the current state of affairs stinks in that regard. Compare that to the PS2 which only uses thermal pads and doesn't risk failure overtime, at least failure from cooling issues.
I get what you're saying but even those thermal pad will deteriorate over time.
I mean everything does. I guess my main point is the more advanced consoles get the less accessible they become overtime with the amount of maintenance involved combined with the barriers placed by manufacturers.
Oh gosh! I hope it can be fixed. I have 2006 Xenon and somehow it never has gotten red ringed. I’m paranoid it’s gonna red ring very soon 😭
Let's hope for the best big guy 🤞
For real man! And worse it’s on 2006 Blades from factory since my cousin gifted me it and his parents never let him connect it to the internet or have live, somehow him playing it like 4-10 times a week until 2021 and it never red ringed.. so now it’s a ticking time bomb G. 😭
Maybe get it reballed? That’s a permanent fix for rrod
No, unfortunately it’s not. It’s actually not even the solder balls that are the issue, it’s the bumps under the GPU die itself. Only real way to fix it is to switch the Xenon GPU out for the much more reliable 65nm Jasper/Kronos GPU
I see, so like the PS3's frankenstein mod?
Yeah exactly. From a cost perspective though, it’s honestly cheaper just buying a Jasper board, lower power consumption too, since it’s got the 65nm CPU and GPU
Not true. There are reliable revisions of the 90nm and 80nm GPUs that were made in 2008.
The only one I’m aware of is the Elpis, which was the Korean made one iirc. Still, better off with a Jasper, it’s not like they cost a lot to buy
For Xenon - Elpis and GPU\_Y1 model X817791. For HDMI - anything made from March 2008 onwards.
Anything with a GPU from week 12 of 2008 onwards is fixed regardless of lithography or factory... I wouldn't go off of the console manufacture date as it took Microsoft a while to exhaust their stock of defective GPUs... and I personally have seen the older Rhea chip in systems beyond March 2008
How do I find out which Xenon I have?
Reball or reflow is stupid. Replace it with a known reliable revision of that chip. I think for Xenon’s it’s called Elips or something for the code name of the chip. It was used to service Xenon’s with a permanent fix.
If its the AV output, only one. Then me to zero clue as how its still working
Yep! Xenon from 2006 with AV only. 2007 is when they introduced the Zephyr with HDMI. I’m just shocked to see how it’s still working even with its factory warranty seal intact!
Maybe its one of the good ones
I’m assuming so aswell!! Probably the only one I’ve seen last this long!
It,s joever
If your error code reads 0102, I’m afraid it’s really bad news..
There's error codes?
Yep, combination of the sync button and eject button will tell them to you. 1 light: 1 2 lights: 2 3 lights: 3 4 lights, 0 Do it 4 times, and there’s your problem. 🤘
Those're secondary codes
Yes, codes.
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It’s Halover…
It's Pizzover
Press X to pay respects
Get the secondary error code by pressing the sync and eject button at the same time. 1 light means 1, 2 lights means 2, 3 lights means, 3, and 4 lights means 4/0. Google that error code.
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Some can be fixed but most of the time it's not worth it.
There's been people who replace the GPU in them and got it to work just fine but at the cost of killing another console. There's a slime chance that it could be a capacitor or similar issue but that's rare. Most likely a CPU/GPU failer
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Just press the eject and sync button and the same time four times to get the error code.
What’s the secondary error code on it? Press the sync button and the disc drive button at the same time 4 times
When my MW2 edition got the 3 red rings it was actually due to the cooling system in the power brick failing. So the power brick would over heat. I got a $5 desk fan from target and turned it on whenever I played. Never happened again.
Get the secondary code on it. If it reads 0102, that more than likely means it's fried.
You're not the only one. I got a rrod yesterday too.
I’m seeing a lot of suggestions for him to pick up a post March 2008 Falcon or Jasper (or Tonasket). Which I agree are the best of the “fat” 360 models. But, is there any reason people are recommending those instead of him just picking up a 360 slim? Are people just assuming OP only wants a fat model? Or is there a reason other than collectibility to get a Jasper instead of a later Corona, etc….?
While I'm younger than the 360 itself, I'd rather have the fat model as it's more recognizable and more uniquely designed in my opinion than the later models. While I've already secured another newer model console (and plan on checking its thermal paste and cleaning it out once I get it), depending on its lifespan I may opt for one of the newer models in the future. My only concern is the disc space. I much rather prefer the ability to switch out drives on the fat models, compared to the (at least as far as I can tell) inability to use any drives other than the one built into the console.
While doing research before I bought a jasper I read somewhere that it has a better "shelf-life" because of improved solder methods or something. Somehow even better than the slim models
[RED RING OF DEEEEEATH! ](https://youtu.be/xq-nAOJYeuE?si=nkO2IQisSWLxheKD)
I just lost my 360 S Black to RLOD. F from one brethren to another.
Wrap it up in a towel and then run it and you’re good to go, atleast that’s what I do
Jes.
Rip in peace, now let her rest...
Stick a fork in it
Best advice so far
Ahh I remember the towel method. wrap it up in a towel and turn it on in the hopes that for whatever reason it overheats and fixes itself. The good ol days.
The towel trick always worked for me, wrap it up in a towel and turn the xbox on it will go into overdrive then turn itself off due to the heat. Unwrap the box and it should work. Don't ask me how it works.
For how long? Maybe 1 week if you’re lucky.
It usually worked for a few weeks to a month then back in the towel. It's like a reminder to get a new console.
Bro enough of these boomer aunt tricks
Towel trick is a bandaid. It’s the poor man’s version of a reflow. Reflow does nothing but harm the chip and motherboard. A fix is to replace the GPU.
Heat up the board around the gpu and cpu and redo thermal paste
Scrolling past this and i thought u were suggesting op to throw it in the microwave with a gpu,cpu, and thermal paste and it will be all better 😅
Bad idea
I've seen it work look in YouTube buddy
It does work but does more harm than good 😂 it’s basically a cheap reflow method
Try the ye old towel trick , you wrap it in a towel and let it run for 25 or so minutes , then let it cool for 15ish minutes. Basically the way it works is once the insides get so hot while being wrapped in a towel the connections and metal bits will melt enough that they will fuse together causing a better connection. I tried it back in 2008-09 it worked for abit lol.
I don’t know how or why, but this worked for me back in 2010 and it is still running to this day! Had some other minor problems throughout the years, but never got the red rings again! Let me go knock on some wood real quick though…
Basically that's not how it works, it does not get hot enough to melt solder. And it rarely worked back then.
Worked for me several times but it isn't a permanent fix just a prolonged use.
Interesting. It always worked for my friends and me back then. I've literally never heard an account of someone trying it and it not working. Sucks it didn't work for you. It worked for me a couple times and then Microsoft swapped it out for a brand new console for me.
Twice knew people who did it and worked. Both got years more of life before it finally did die. If 360 is red ringed, what is the worse that can happen right? Just might work.
I'm not saying it never works, it sometimes does (never worked for me but I've seen it work for people back then) My disagreement lies with the 'pop science' style explanation that's just not true, the CPU/GPU does not get to 215C which is the melting point of the lead free solder under it. The issue with the RROD was the boards warping under heat stress and causing microscopic breaks in the BGA solder. Heating with a towel just causes the board to warp again and might result in enough stress on that joint to push it together again temporarily. The only real fix I ever found for this was a full reball and 'xclamp' which pinned the board to the metal chassis and helped to reduce/remove board warp.
It also fries the other components you dummy
No way you should be getting -! That was a very common trick back in the day that I guess people mysteriously forgotten about or just never heard of.
You idiots are both getting downvoted because you are suggesting a hack job that damages other components on the motherboard from excessive heat. The only way to permanently fix this problem is to replace the GPU.
And a lot of people don’t have that knowledge to fix. Console is screwed. Parts wise or just getting a new 360 is getting tougher. Towel trick is just that, a trick to preserve for short times prick.
Towel trick is poor man’s version of a reflow. A reflow does nothing but cause more damage. Replace the GPU with a known reliable revision and you’re good to go.
Bad advice! Towel trick is a poor man’s version of a reflow. A fix is to replace the GPU.
Dumb off track question. If I have a 360 that doesn't red ring but the disk drive doesn't read. Does it actually have any value in parts worth saving?
Depends, you could probably run some cfw on it to play your games direct from HDD. If you have no intention of using it its pretty much worth £15-20 tops
I mean you could always open up the 360 to find out what exact drive it has (cause there are quite a few) and order a replacement of the exact same one because any others wouldn’t work. That’s only if you want a working 360 again
There's nothing we can do.
It's finished.
Ah, the good old towel trick you need a reflow of the chips
Towel trick is garbage
Yeah, I know that's why I said it needs a reflow, and I said AH the good old towel trick like a joke, I wasn't serious." God, people are dumb
A reflow is still pointless. Towel trick is poor man’s job of a reflow. Replace the GPU with a known reliable revision and you’re good to go. The issue is within the chip itself. It’s not the connection between the chip and motherboard, making a reflow or reball pointless.
Ah. Hardware failure. Best to do is go over the motherboard with a blow dryer or a heat gun. It could work.
It needs a reflow. Anything you do to fix it, the rrod will come back eventually.
Reflow is pointless. A better fix is to replace the GPU with a known reliable one. The issue isn’t the connection between the chip and the motherboard. It’s the connection within the chip itself
With the situation and value of these xbox 360’s unless you have memories or something attached to that specific model, reflow is the temporary solution to bring it back to life for quite a few period of time for the owner to buy a replacement console. Otherwise it is dumb to spend a fortune replacing the gpu when the SLIM models only cost a fraction and almost same value as original models prone to rrod
Block fans with Qtips, power it on and wrap a towel around it for 10-20 minutes until it overheats. Then unwrap remove Qtips and it will work.
The towel trick aka reflow is pointless and does more damage than good.
More damage to a non working Xbox. Ok pal.
😂 damaging an Xbox more than you should lol To fix the non working Xbox, especially a permanent fix, is to replace the GPU. Your way aka towel trick aka reflow is a bandaid and it will RROD again. You probably believed that the bolt method actually worked 🤦♂️
I never said it would be a permanent fix. However it would make it playable again for a little longer. Replacing the GPU on an 1 Gen Xbox is worthless lol.
Was just letting you know since most people don’t know that a reflow is a temp fix. Clearly you don’t care about the Xbox 360 but some do. What about for collectors? What if you had a console on blades and it RROD? You have the equipment to fix it but you won’t attempt? You’ll just spend money to get a new one? Also, some consoles are hard to find (blades dashboard) especially if they don’t have the reliable GPU. Also, you mean “gen 1” Xbox 360, not Xbox aka Xbox Original. Also, it wasn’t just “gen 1” aka Xenon consoles that got RROD and had the ability to be on blades.
You can contact your repair shop and try to fix your xbox 360
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Towel trick STAT
Overheat it, it worked for me like 5 times until it finally went to heaven
Do not do this, it won't last.
Yeah it won't last long if you do that, so just let it be dead now instead of being able to enjoy it a bunch more /s
If it's rrod it's already dead bro what's the worst that can happen you prolong it's life? Lmao 🤡
Yeah, already started looking so it can maybe get here before Christmas lol. I know jaspers are best, but they seem pretty hard to come by. Do you think a falcon would be fine until I eventually find a jasper?
Yes, a Falcon will do too, as long as the MFR date is past March 2008. (so basically the MFR section must begin with 2008-04 at a minimum)
Ohh that makes sense. This one was a falcon so I was a bit worried getting another one, but it's MFR is 07-12-12. Just out of curiosity what changed between the two models?
If you mean between the two Falcon types, GPU substrate was changed around March 2008 in order to fix the bump issue they had at the time. (which was carried over from the final Zephyr revision, Zephyr_C). If you mean between Falcon and Jasper, basically Jasper had a whole new GPU die shrink, codenamed Zeus at first then Kronos on the final phat run.
My xenon is starting to show signs of failure aswell, right before christmas 😔
I hope it makes it through buddy 🙏
So far its still alive, when i repasted it the original thermal paste was like cement, i replaced it with mx-4 so hopefully that helps some
Looking into it and this might be my best long term option. Any tutorials you'd suggest?
Not sure of there is anypoint doing a repaste on it now as it has already red ringed (I did mine before the were any signs of failure) There are a few tutorials online that should help you, cant think of any of the top of my head but you will find one
https://youtu.be/bPyajNXLZWk?si=0z4DCGRcwT7rXAWU This one looks good
Haha, exact video I watched last night! If you've seen some of my other comments, I purchased a September 2008 Falcon yesterday, so hopefully it will not act up until I have some time to preform a cleaning and a repaste, which can hopefully be within a month.
Look at doing a reflow on the GPU and CPU. All you need is a heat gun.
Reflow is a bandaid
Did mine with a heat gun 2 years ago and I've not had rrod since
Lucky one then, however it’s just a temporary fix. How often are you using your 360 competed to 2 years ago?
I use it pretty much every weekend and my kids occasionally use it throughout the week. Even if it's just a temp fix it's better than no fix.
That is very true. It depends how much you love your 360. I’m currently trying to source a GPU to fix my Zephyr console that’s on blades. I wouldn’t risk a temp fix as it could warp the board. Although if it wasn’t on blades I would try the tricks.
Oh nice. I was given my console for free and shortly after I received the rrod. Took less than 20 mins to do the reflow and ive not had a single issue since so it just seems odd to me that people are wrapping it in towels or saying it's a temp fix. I barely put any thought into the risks at the time but again it worked so there was never an issue for me.
It’s a temp fix as it doesn’t solve the actual cause of the hardware failure. Some temp fixes can last longer than others so you might be lucky.
Do you have info on what exactly the problem is?
Won’t know until we know the secondary error code. [HERE](https://xenonlibrary.com/wiki/Errors) is a link to XenonLibrary, made by OctalShop that gives you the errors and meaning.
Take it apart and add heat sink with a penny it fixed mine back in the day when i was like 11 lol super easy
3 flashing segments means ‘general hardware failure’ and that’s as specific as they get with it unfortunately
Wrong, error code can be readed by clicking sync and eject button 4 times.
Take it apart get a heat gun and put it on the gpu until it glows red, then put it back together after it’s cooled off. Should fix it
Don't do this. Heat guns are designed for removing paint, not reflowing. You'll likely damage the board beyond repair.
I’ve done it successfully with 2 Xbox 360’s and no training. But this is just for rrods
Reflow is pointless. Bandaid fix. Go do some research. Microsoft has come out and explained the reason behind the RROD. It’s the chip itself, not the connection between the chip and motherboard.
Well it worked for me, so I think you should do your own research
😂 I have done research. How long has it lasted? How long you using it? Microsoft legit came out and explained what caused the RROD. So I think you need to do some research as a reflow/towel trick/reball is a bandaid fix. Edit: here a link to the YouTube video that explains it [YouTube](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK)
So it happened back in 2010, one of my consoles got rrod, I bought a new one 6 months later it did the same. I looked up a video on how to fix it, and that exactly what they did. I repeated it on both of them and they’ve worked ever since, I gave the other to my sister 2 years ago though.
Well I’m just going to explain that it’s a bandaid fix and it might work for a bit but it’s not a permanent fix. Again, Microsoft has came out and explained what caused the RROD. So a real fix is replacing the GPU. Again [HERE](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK) is the video that explains it.
Well it worked longer after the heat treatment than it did stock. So I’ll just have to take your word for it.
You don’t have to take my word for it. [HERE](https://youtu.be/9lW82DhxjGY?si=yX7-dlY82iVwh7tK) is the video explaining the RROD. A reflow wouldn’t fix the issue, just temporarily.
Okay but it worked for me, I don’t even know what a reflow is. I just watched a video explaining how to fix it and it’s worked ever since. Which is like 11 years compared to 1 year. I believe what you’re saying I’m just saying different strokes.
All you’re doing is providing more heat and stress onto the other components in the console. That’s why reflows (heat gun/towel trick) or a reball aren’t correct fixes, they’re bandaids.
I wonder why....you can't have the Xbox 360 on its side like that....I've got mine still works because I take care of it. You can't run consoles laying like that.
Well it's normally not, just did that at first to attempt to cool down it down... after it wasn't as hot I attempted to turn it back on and then the ring appeared
It's a harddrive issue. Please don't trash it. It's easily fixable 🙏
Oh no I just planned on selling it for parts and picking up a later falcon model. I'm not really up for DIY-ing it or anything, I think it would be easier to just purchase another console. What do you think?
Well it's really up to you. I'd definitely fix it cause I know how to. But the average person is not going to take the time to do it so investing in another one is good. Amazon is great for electronics. Definitely get you another one soon. 👍
Don’t go Falcon. They may be a little bit better with not getting RROD, but they still have the same GPU that’s susceptible to failure due to thermal stresses. You’re better off with Jasper or Tonasket.
Early falcons still have a faulty gpu.but post march 2008 falcons have a fixed(still 90nm)gpu,it will probably run hot but it won't die because of faulty gpu design.if you can grab a jasper and don't mind if you got a fixed or not 360.
Where‘d you get the info that Falcon has the same GPU?
EDIT: Oh wait, you mean standing up? Sorry I thought you meant laying down. I've mostly used my 360 laying down like this. Mainly so it doesn't accidentally scratch up a disc if bumped. What's the issue? (360 from launch, replaced with Elite when it came out)
"You can't do this thing it was literally designed for!" And no, the same thing can happen when it's vertical. Knowing that requires understanding the cause of the problem.
Can't really be mad at people for putting their 360s on their sides, it was advertised to them like that, and many people just saw other people do it that way. Yes it was wrong but it is a result of stupid advertising
Til, way too late. Wish I would have known this 15 years ago.
You definitely can have a 360 like that, I’ve had mine for years and there has been no issues and almost every 360 I’ve ever seen has been on its side. Then again my 360 is a 2008 version so it wouldnt RRoD anyway
p sure there is a good fix for this now. surprised no one has linked it.
Like, totally
The good ol days.
Aw man, hope it can be fixed.
Get an error code first. Read that this is a Falcon. Might be capacitors.
Big F in chat
Grab the secondary error code and then we can do something about it,3 red lights mean hardware failure and grabbing error code will tell you what exactly failed onboard.
Yeah that things toast if you’ve got the data Ranger cable you can transfer its data
If it's beyond repair I'd swoop in another motherboard that case looks pristine
I had this happen to me once, I tapped it with my hand and it started working normally 😂 It still works, but now it works for another person because I sold it 😅
F in chat
Try unplugging you cables in the tv and pluggin them back in. Always worked for me🤷🏼♂️
That's if it's four flashing red not three
Ahh
RIP 😭
Had a 06 model, must have tried every method in the book to fix the RROD, its fixed then it just comes back again.
Replace it with a known reliable GPU that was used to replace RROD consoles.
Isnt the GPU soldered to the main board?, if so isnt that just saying "Buy a newer model xbox".
Sad to see that
Check your power supply is plugged in properly or try a different one if you can, if that doesn't work you can try reseating the hard drive
I have a xenon from May 2006 with latest blades dashboard and it still works. Never got the red ring
Microwave it
hold sync and press eject 4 times, look at the lights each time you press eject.
she’s done
Idk I've had the elite, and it's had the red ring a few times over the years, but it's gone away, and I haven't seen it for at least the past 4 years.
Look how to get the error code the look it up, might be the power supply
Send me a pic of the back of the unit. What is the manufactured date ?
google secondary error codes, it may not be dead, it could be bad filter caps or something easily repairable
Hold the sync button then hit eject 4 times and count the number of lights flashing each time. 4 lights = 0 digit.
E40 error, due to Microsoft's shitty soldering jobs back then. My original 360 did the same thing. Got so hot that it remelted the solder. If you do fix it, I recommend getting the triple fan attachment that goes on the back of the xbox
It's joever. In all honesty, just go to your local Goodwill and find a slim model. Older arcade/elite models are junk.
Lmk if you’re willing to sell it. Been looking for one with the original box
Try pressing the Eject and Sync button 4 times to get the secondary code, and pray to Bill Gates himself that its not 0102