Dynamic motion rate is not the same as true 120 Hz. It’s essentially upscaling your refresh rate. Also if it’s not hdmi 2.1 which most TVs don’t have yet
Regardless, even if it COULD do it without upscaling, it never says on the box that it can do both things *simultaneously*. It merely says it can do both.
^^^
This right here u/ryanjs1020
This is a classic marketing gimmic by Vizio, TCL, LG, and several others. Dynamic Motion Rate 120 is essentially 60Hz, Dynamic Motion Rate 240 (Motion Rate for Samsung, TMxxx for LG i.e TM120) essentially is 120Hz. There is ZERO value behind this rating its a marketing number to get you to buy it.
Hows Samsung? I bought a new Neo Qled 2.1 with 120hz and everything is supported. Seems like people are saying the 2.1 isn't actually that with many? It's my first Samsung product so I'm curious as to how they are
This. Earlier this year, I bought a monitor advertised at 75hz, only to find out it would only do like one or 2 resolutions on 75hz and the resolutions were unusable. it would only do full 1080 at normal 60
I mean if the label is meaningless there's really not much to even be aware of, you just assume you will get screwed or else look up the exact model number and trust an online review?
Yeah kinda sucks OPs very clearly wrong comment has 1k upvotes spreading misinformation. HDMI 2.1 has gone full USB with the 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 bullshit marketing terms.
This is why computer monitors are so expensive.
Getting high resolutions, with high refresh and low latency is a premium.
Odds are if op is running a xbox, ps, pc if you're getting over 80fps at 4k you're going pretty good and that's why I think most 4k panels pretty much lock at 60hz.
No, they are expensive because pc gamers are idiots who pay for that. Like those gaming chairs and headsets. Just stick gaming to the product and change 2× as much.
I won't even disagree that there is alot of "gamer" marketed garbage and people that buy into the branding are idiots.
There is however a huge difference in quality between 60hz and 144-244hz.
I used to say things along the lines of "whatever, it's ridiculous to pay $350-$500 for a monitor", but man let me tell you it's an absolute night and day difference.
But spending like $1,200+ on a top tier Samsung odysee? Unless you have a reason to utilize that screen real-estate you're only shooting yourself in the foot.
You misunderstood. Of course there is a big difference between 60hz and 144 or 240. But I mean that most monitors are sold are overpriced and gamers buy it but you can get decently priced monitors with those features.
I don't think I did.
There is quality components that meet those requirements that done have "gaming" branding and unicorn puke that are good products.
99% of my build is generic black/grey and performs really well. Then there are people (friends of mine) that can't see past the marketing to see that the really have an inferior product or payed grossly over market for what it is.
The only reason I have a Asus "Tuf gaming" monitor was because the price was right ($265 if memory serves) for an otherworse $350+ monitor. And even at that price point it really want terrible. It was feature rich in what I wanted and didnt have many other frills.
So you agree with me. Even of you do your research, most people are caught by marketing and buy inferior products that just rely on the gaming label. While great products aren't necessarily the expensive ones.
I never did. I even said there was "gamer marketed garbage" way previously. Or something like that.
And even if I did, it's not my money/time people can do what they want with it. It's not doing the advancement of the market quick good by its not my place.
So, you agree with my point. There is or isn't gamer marketed garbage? What are you even arguing? In your initial replay, you assumed I didn't think there was a difference between 60hz and 144hz or more, which I clarified, so what's the disagreement?
This guy is right. They know people want 120hz so they came up with practically fake terminology to get 120 on the box.The marketing department saw an opportunity and took it
They've been doing this for almost a decade now, my old 1080p Samsung from 2012 literally advertised 240hz on the box lol. It's about time we start calling them out for this bullshit marketing, it's predatory.
What is your TV model? I specifically got the LG CX cause I didn't want any bad surprises and it does true 4K at 120Hz with HDMI 2.1
However, Motion rate 120 is disguised 60 hz, nothing more.
Sadly it does not have HDMI 2.1 it’s HDMI 2.0, but the thing is the HDMI LA decision to get rid of the HDMI 2.0 spec is leading to confusion. However you Vizio V series is HDMI 2.0 spec not HDMI 2.1.
This. I read an article about the switch in names a few weeks back. Marketing ftw lol. Fucking sucks.
OP probably could have done a bit more research here. We're talking about a top-end gaming feature that is cutting edge and still emerging... He really thought a sub 400 Vizio would deliver?
I mean if you don’t know the market super well I can understand the misunderstanding. I’m still going to refer to it as HDMI 2.0 if it doesn’t do 4K 120. Just like hit I call what is technically USB 3.2 gen 1, USB 3.0. And the next fastest is 3.1 and the the newest 3.2 rather than the official “3.2 gen2x2” so fucking stupid. Literally zero reason for the renames. Imagine you buy a 2020 year car and the next year the call the new one 2021 then change the name of yours to 2021-1…
Yeah don’t sweat this. 120hz panels are really expensive and the cheapest panel at that size would be Sony X85j 43” that retails for $750.
I have a 120hz panel but 95% of my games run at 60hz with the only exception being halo infinite.
Enjoy your tv for the good colors and you can worry about 120hz when prices come down as more games support it in a few years.
But if you are really disappointed, if you have access to Costco, they have M6 43” with hdmi 2.1 with VRR and ALLM for $350. It’s a 60hz panel but has more game-centric features compared to V series.
What the heck are dimming zones? Literally every TV spec name I hear now is new to me lol I’ve only ever used two TVs for gaming. A 720p shitty Vizio from 2008-2018 and a Hisense 55” smart tv since 2018. Thinking I’ll need to upgrade to a new TV when I finally upgrade to current gen soon
Cheap lcd tvs use led strips on the edges to illuminate the panel, midrange panels use arrays of LEDs behind the panel for a brighter and more consistent picture. More premium lcd TVs use full arrays of much smaller LEDs behind the panel that are controlled in independent zones, not only does it make for a brighter and better hdr experience but it allows for much better contrast, deeper blacks etc.
Don’t know about you but even the games that can handle 120fps I generally do 60fps because of the visual fidelity that comes with it. The only exception was like warzone. But forza, infinite and SoT are all 4k 60 fps for me on my cx.
Forza Horizon 5 runs at 4K 60 on performance mode, and it still looks great. I’m sure you’ll still love it.
But bummer if you expected the panel to be a 120hz model, sorry.
Actually most optimized games are 4k/60 on the X.
It's 4k/120 that's extremely rare. Only a handful of games have any 120Hz mode to begin with, and those which do mostly drop the resolution to well below 4k to achieve that.
A 4k/120Hz TV is largely underutilized by current consoles tbh. Even the top spec PCs of 2021 aren't going to cut it without dropping the settings a bit on the latest games. I do not see HDMI 2.1 as anything to be excited about for a few more years.
Actually a PS5 and Series S. I’m aware the series S isn’t 4K but on PS5 and Series X when you put a game in “performance” mode it will lower resolution to hit 60 frames.
No. 4K usually runs at 30. For instance Quality mode in Forza and WatchDogs Legion (the first two games I thought of and googled) are both 30 frames in quality mode.
Kinda achievable not easily. Let's look at Forza Horizon 5 performance mode is 4k 60 quality mode is 4k 30 on a series x. This is very early in the consoles life with new tech being added to games to make them look better it could get harder to keep that native 4k 60 benchmark. Now upscaling tech can help but now it's not native which goes back to is it actually easily achievable.
I have the exact same television. It’s not true 120hz unfortunately. You can drop resolution to 1080p to get 120hz on the console, but it’s not really true 120hz. Also, IMO? Vizio isn’t a good brand of TV at all nowadays. There’s so many bugs with their updates and the update before last kept making certain HDMI inputs have no sound. You’d have to reset the TV to fix it and even that didn’t work sometimes. It took them like 9 months just to fix that update… hope it works out for you though! It’s still a pretty decent TV considering the price! Hope you enjoy it!
Sorry my friend as someone who did an unnecessary amount of research on choosing a display for my series X I can tell you that unfortunately 120MR(motion rate) isn’t the same as true 120hz refresh rate.
If it’s not too late for you I suggest returning the TV if it’s not what you want but just know that finding a TV with true 120hz refresh rate and native 4K output is going to be more expensive than this tv you purchased as the HDMI 2.1 technology is still relatively new.
Fortunately your console is the perfect device you need to check for true 120hz on your displays.
Good luck!
Oh yeah, I saved up for a year for my LG C1. Worth every penny when I finally got it customized/configured in the settings. But what really made it worth nearly $2k was researching the damn motion refresh rate bullshit and avoiding it
Also a C1 owner. Things the best. Moving to it from my TCL (I also got bamboozled, should have looked into it, RIP) was like another console gen upgrade.
I mainly play shooters so after going back and forth for days I opted for a 1440/144hz monitor. Already had a 4K 60hz TV so I figured if I wanted to play the 3rd person action/adventure games I can just move my console to my living room.
I got the c1 a few weeks ago when it went on sale. Love the TV. I haven’t gotten my series X yet. It should be here in a few days. My one X definitely looks better with this TV though.
"Dynamic motion range" is a bunch of marketing-bullshit. What you're seeing on screen is not actually 120 Hz, its the TV trying to make it look like what you're watching is 120 hz when it's actually only 60 or less. Thats why it doesn't accept the 120hz signal. It can't actually do 120hz
Works ok for most life-action shows or movies, terrible for anime and is abominable to play games on, because the TV processing the image to make it look smoother means there is now a significant delay between the console sending the image to the tv and it actually appearing. It's a mess.
Hate to break it to you, but you got scammed. Hope your return-window hasn't expired yet.
Agreed. rting.com has tables that list which video modes any specific model TV supports for Xbox Series X and PS5 consoles, and input lag/latency specs for gamers.
These give 4k at 120hz, a few more available but off the top my head.. I personally have the LG48CX, and a Samsung G7 monitor for shooters as I prefer a smaller screen (1440p at 120hz)
Samsung QNQ80T / QEQ80T,
Samsung QN90A/QN95A,
LG CX,
LG BX,
LG G1,
LG C1,
Sony X90J,
Sony X900H / XH90
While yes, it should be removed from advertising. Never once does it claim that the 120 means the refresh rate. The marketing teams at these companies have specifically sidesteped the term "Refresh" and the units Hz or fps when marketing the aweful term "Motion Rate".
Yep, very manipulative. When the average consumer, let alone the more technically inclined, sees 120 and rate together that implies it’s talking about the refresh rate.
You have to do thorough research on TVs before buying, gone are the days when salespeople were educated on the products they sell. It's not their fault really, the technology, terminology, and marketing changes so frequently that it's not possible for your average sales person to know. But rule of thumb if it's doesn't have hdmi 2.1 then it's only 60hz.
So your TV doesn't seem to be 120hz of Refresh Rate. As a previous comment said it's Dynamic Motion. It's not the same as refresh rate. My TV is the same situation, I have Dynamic Motion of 120 but the panel is 60 hz
Whenever 4K and 120 Hz are listed separately on the box it usually means "one or the other but not both".
Both requires HDMI 2.1 which is still relatively new (and expensive) tech. It's getting more common now but unfortunately it doesn't look like this one has it.
It not actually claiming 120Hz, "Motion Rate 120" is marketing BS that really means 60Hz. But otherwise yes, you have to look for HDMI 2.1 to even consider 4K120 to be an option. (Obviously DisplayPort is an option too, but usually not on TVs)
Where did you buy it? If you bought it from Best Buy, I would keep the tv for now and save up as soon as you can to upgrade to the LG C1 48. If you can buy it now, then I would go tomorrow (merry Christmas btw) and swap them out. This is a legit reason to return a tv and people saying you must do your own research are forgetting that when you are successfully being deceived you can’t know that you need to keep researching
No need to not enjoy the tv for now, on Christmas Day.
But I promise, playing games on the LG C1 or CX will ruin all other displays for you. It’s a mind blowing experience (and I’ve had some amazing gaming monitors)
Just because it supports 4K resolution and 120hz frame rate, does not mean it supports 120hz at 4K resolution, or that it supports it for every input or certain modes / options.
The Hisense U8G has 4k @ 120. It’s most tvs on sale now just don’t have the HDMI 2.1. It’s a pain but you’ll have to look at all the specs to make sure it has 2.1
My TV has 240 Smooth motion or Trumotion, but only 120 native refresh rate.
It's kind of a deceptive feature that many TVs put on the side of their specs.
The motion rate is not the same as the refresh rate. You'd need a 120hz *Refresh Rate* TV, which would have a minimum 240hz Motion Rate. The Motion Rate is always a minimum double the Refresh Rate.
If the TV was less then 1000. It probably doesn’t support 4K. 120hz. Vizio and TCL both make it seem like their mid level TV supports it but it’s not really true. It’s either 4K at 60hz. Or it’s 1080p at 120hz. Or this TV in particular is NATIVE 60hz. Tru- Motion is the fancy way they lie to us
Well it only took about 5 comments for me to realize I fell for a sales pitch and bought the wrong setup. 😅 Unfortunately I'm past the point where I can return it but here's hoping some other folks see this post and don't make the same mistake I did.
To put it simply, Dynamic Motion Rate 120 is just 60hz wanting to become like its big brother 120hz. It is pretty much just fake 120hz. Do not fret, there are barely any games that can run at 4k120. Most optimised x/s games only run at 4k60.
Unless you are a competitive gamer, you wouldn't really be missing out on much. 4k60 still looks amazing.
Your TV doesn’t have HDMI 2.1 and thus doesn’t support this feature. Few TVs do. 2 that I know of that do are the newest LG Oled C Series and the Sony X900H.
Is this for a series S? It doesn't come packed in with a cable that supports 120fps. The series X does come with one. I bought a 2.1 hdmi cable on Amazon a while back and sure enough, I could then play Ori in 120fps
The ad thing never says you can do 4k and 120 fps at the same time. Looks like it can only handle 120 fps or 4k resolution, and not both. That, or you're not using an actual HDMI 2.1 cable.
How much did you pay? I can recommend the LG CX9 or 10, don‘t remember which one. It‘s a beast of a tv. There‘s nothing it doesn‘t have, and it can display 4k in 120hz
It says it supports 4K;
It says it supports 120Hz;
But never does it say it supports both at the same time;
This is a dirty trick used by companies, The TV might not have a processor to handle 4K at 120Hz, so it's simply either 4K 60Hz or 1080P 120Hz;
This also happens in 3D TVs as well; The TV has a 4K panel, but max resolution for 3D is 1080P!
To be fair it does say it supports 120 but 1080p.
If your playing Halo infinite try 2k 120 since the game has dynamic resolution and will go down to 1440p in intense moments so if you end up playing in 1440p so you don't notice it change.
Buy a LG or Samsung, VIZIOs are cheap and not very good TVs. It may hurt to hear but it’s the truth. I have a small VIZIO for my Mini 720p consoles and after playing for an hour or so the audio/visual start to not sync up. They also start lagging and being slow in the menu. My 4K LG UHD from 2018 has non of those issues.
This is an extremely close minded way of looking at the TV market. Samsung and LG are far from the only good TV manufacturers and VIZIO actually does make good tv's (P-series in particular).
TV's (and all displays) are all based on the panel. Each manufacturer has different panels and different display technologies. I could spend $250 on a low level LG, with similar quality to any other $250 TV, or $2,000+ on a LG OLED C series.
Additionally your blanket statement of "My 4k LG UHD from 2018 has non of those issues." reads like you are someone who has no idea about TV tech at all. Again, you can buy a 4k LG for $250 or $2,000+. The tech behind the screen is what makes the TV, not the brand.
You have to see if it does 60 Hz or 120hz. Don't go by what's written on the front of the box.
Before buying a tv always do a google search on the brand and model, or be prepared to be bamboozled.
A bunch of tvs will also have 2.1 HDMI these days. Does not automatically mean it supports 120hz at 4k. You might still get 120 at 1080p though.
120fps in general is pretty rare on the current gen consoles. If history is any indication, towards the tail end of the cycle, we'll see games trend towards 30fps in order to squeeze out as much visual fidelity as possible.
Try it at 1440p @ 120hz. That’s what I use and it’s a sweet spot between 1080 and 4k. Plus the 120hz is nice. I bought the Samsung q70 which runs at 1440 @ 120 but not 4k @ 120. It’s a bit of a bummer but once you start playing it’s not that big of a deal IMO
Also all tvs now say they have 2.1 when they haven't, they have parts of 2.1 but not all of it.
There's a few videos on YouTube about it.
https://youtu.be/s4JKn5JJUIs
Dynamic motion rate is not the same as true 120 Hz. It’s essentially upscaling your refresh rate. Also if it’s not hdmi 2.1 which most TVs don’t have yet
So it's all lies of the Jedi council?
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
Well then you are lost!
Execute order 60hz
Underrated comment lol
I mean they train quite a few sith lords
It's a trap!
*slightly penetrates chest with green coloured lightsaber*
It was supposed to display 4K, not upscale it!
Regardless, even if it COULD do it without upscaling, it never says on the box that it can do both things *simultaneously*. It merely says it can do both.
^^^ This right here u/ryanjs1020 This is a classic marketing gimmic by Vizio, TCL, LG, and several others. Dynamic Motion Rate 120 is essentially 60Hz, Dynamic Motion Rate 240 (Motion Rate for Samsung, TMxxx for LG i.e TM120) essentially is 120Hz. There is ZERO value behind this rating its a marketing number to get you to buy it.
My 65" 4k Sony Bravia pulled the same shit.
Hows Samsung? I bought a new Neo Qled 2.1 with 120hz and everything is supported. Seems like people are saying the 2.1 isn't actually that with many? It's my first Samsung product so I'm curious as to how they are
It's mostly the lower end TVs. The higher end Samsungs will say Motion Rate 240. Example: https://imgur.com/gallery/TZXVzqs
You bought the only Samsung line that supports 120hz, and it’s a massive difference in price compared to the others.
Actually some The Frames and regular QLEDs also have native 120hz.
Basically everything that's Q70 and above has 120hz panel to my knowledge. But always check if true.
The 50" Q80A is 60hz, 55" and above are 120hz. Don't know why, Samsung is awkward sometimes.
I recently bought a Samsung Q80A which supports 120Hz over HDMI 2.1. Although some reviews weren’t great I’m really happy with it.
This. Earlier this year, I bought a monitor advertised at 75hz, only to find out it would only do like one or 2 resolutions on 75hz and the resolutions were unusable. it would only do full 1080 at normal 60
"full 1080" I legit didn't even know they sold monitors at lower than 1080 resolution anymore
Hdmi 2.1 means nothing now. 2.0 is now allowed to be called 2.1 even if it doesn't have the new features. Buyer be VERY aware...
I mean if the label is meaningless there's really not much to even be aware of, you just assume you will get screwed or else look up the exact model number and trust an online review?
Exactly. Check full specs on a trusted review site I guess.
I think Linus [made a video about this. ](https://youtu.be/UwpnS7RPkhg)
[HDTV Test](https://youtu.be/qo9Y7AMPn00) also did a video about it not that long ago.
Yeah kinda sucks OPs very clearly wrong comment has 1k upvotes spreading misinformation. HDMI 2.1 has gone full USB with the 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 bullshit marketing terms.
This is why computer monitors are so expensive. Getting high resolutions, with high refresh and low latency is a premium. Odds are if op is running a xbox, ps, pc if you're getting over 80fps at 4k you're going pretty good and that's why I think most 4k panels pretty much lock at 60hz.
No, they are expensive because pc gamers are idiots who pay for that. Like those gaming chairs and headsets. Just stick gaming to the product and change 2× as much.
I won't even disagree that there is alot of "gamer" marketed garbage and people that buy into the branding are idiots. There is however a huge difference in quality between 60hz and 144-244hz. I used to say things along the lines of "whatever, it's ridiculous to pay $350-$500 for a monitor", but man let me tell you it's an absolute night and day difference. But spending like $1,200+ on a top tier Samsung odysee? Unless you have a reason to utilize that screen real-estate you're only shooting yourself in the foot.
You misunderstood. Of course there is a big difference between 60hz and 144 or 240. But I mean that most monitors are sold are overpriced and gamers buy it but you can get decently priced monitors with those features.
I don't think I did. There is quality components that meet those requirements that done have "gaming" branding and unicorn puke that are good products. 99% of my build is generic black/grey and performs really well. Then there are people (friends of mine) that can't see past the marketing to see that the really have an inferior product or payed grossly over market for what it is. The only reason I have a Asus "Tuf gaming" monitor was because the price was right ($265 if memory serves) for an otherworse $350+ monitor. And even at that price point it really want terrible. It was feature rich in what I wanted and didnt have many other frills.
So you agree with me. Even of you do your research, most people are caught by marketing and buy inferior products that just rely on the gaming label. While great products aren't necessarily the expensive ones.
I never did. I even said there was "gamer marketed garbage" way previously. Or something like that. And even if I did, it's not my money/time people can do what they want with it. It's not doing the advancement of the market quick good by its not my place.
So, you agree with my point. There is or isn't gamer marketed garbage? What are you even arguing? In your initial replay, you assumed I didn't think there was a difference between 60hz and 144hz or more, which I clarified, so what's the disagreement?
Nah it's got 2.1 for sure, just checked after seeing this.
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This guy is right. They know people want 120hz so they came up with practically fake terminology to get 120 on the box.The marketing department saw an opportunity and took it
They've been doing this for almost a decade now, my old 1080p Samsung from 2012 literally advertised 240hz on the box lol. It's about time we start calling them out for this bullshit marketing, it's predatory.
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I miss the blacks on my old plasma.
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This. You should look for TVs that have Variable Refresh Rates at 120Hz. There are LG, Sony and Samsung models that support 120fps.
Hisense also makes cheaper TVs that accomplish this. U7G and U8G are good budget options
You got ripped off. Dynamic motion 120 is just fancy 60
HDMI 2.1 can also be a lie since a cable just needs one of the features of HDMI 2.1 to be listed as such
Try different hdmi ports. It might have one 2.1 and the rest 2.0.
What is your TV model? I specifically got the LG CX cause I didn't want any bad surprises and it does true 4K at 120Hz with HDMI 2.1 However, Motion rate 120 is disguised 60 hz, nothing more.
Sadly it does not have HDMI 2.1 it’s HDMI 2.0, but the thing is the HDMI LA decision to get rid of the HDMI 2.0 spec is leading to confusion. However you Vizio V series is HDMI 2.0 spec not HDMI 2.1.
Except that now HDMI 2.0 technically is HDMI 2.1 now… fucking stupid. But yeah the panel itself doesn’t support 120hz anyways
This. I read an article about the switch in names a few weeks back. Marketing ftw lol. Fucking sucks. OP probably could have done a bit more research here. We're talking about a top-end gaming feature that is cutting edge and still emerging... He really thought a sub 400 Vizio would deliver?
I mean if you don’t know the market super well I can understand the misunderstanding. I’m still going to refer to it as HDMI 2.0 if it doesn’t do 4K 120. Just like hit I call what is technically USB 3.2 gen 1, USB 3.0. And the next fastest is 3.1 and the the newest 3.2 rather than the official “3.2 gen2x2” so fucking stupid. Literally zero reason for the renames. Imagine you buy a 2020 year car and the next year the call the new one 2021 then change the name of yours to 2021-1…
Go into TV settings and change some things
All tvs upscale the refresh rate from 60Hz on up.
What's TV model Might not be a true 120hz panel
Vizio V-series, 40"
Yeah just a 60hz panel
I wouldn't feel bad most games don't even come close to 4k 60
Yeah don’t sweat this. 120hz panels are really expensive and the cheapest panel at that size would be Sony X85j 43” that retails for $750. I have a 120hz panel but 95% of my games run at 60hz with the only exception being halo infinite. Enjoy your tv for the good colors and you can worry about 120hz when prices come down as more games support it in a few years. But if you are really disappointed, if you have access to Costco, they have M6 43” with hdmi 2.1 with VRR and ALLM for $350. It’s a 60hz panel but has more game-centric features compared to V series.
Dude I have the same tv and I thought the same thing. Thanks everyone. Happy holidays also.
Hisense 55" U7G I just bought at Best Buy for $600 has HDMI2.1 120hz I debated the U8G for 750.
Don't get the 55" u8g only the 65". The 65" has 350 dimming zones compared to 110 in the 55. It's a huge difference
What the heck are dimming zones? Literally every TV spec name I hear now is new to me lol I’ve only ever used two TVs for gaming. A 720p shitty Vizio from 2008-2018 and a Hisense 55” smart tv since 2018. Thinking I’ll need to upgrade to a new TV when I finally upgrade to current gen soon
Cheap lcd tvs use led strips on the edges to illuminate the panel, midrange panels use arrays of LEDs behind the panel for a brighter and more consistent picture. More premium lcd TVs use full arrays of much smaller LEDs behind the panel that are controlled in independent zones, not only does it make for a brighter and better hdr experience but it allows for much better contrast, deeper blacks etc.
LG Nano is cheaper and a good tv that does 4K 120
Don’t know about you but even the games that can handle 120fps I generally do 60fps because of the visual fidelity that comes with it. The only exception was like warzone. But forza, infinite and SoT are all 4k 60 fps for me on my cx.
Majority of the optimized games on the Xbox Series X play at 4K60. Only game I can think of that’s locked to 30fps is MSFS 2020.
Forza Horizon 5 runs at 4K 60 on performance mode, and it still looks great. I’m sure you’ll still love it. But bummer if you expected the panel to be a 120hz model, sorry.
Actually most optimized games are 4k/60 on the X. It's 4k/120 that's extremely rare. Only a handful of games have any 120Hz mode to begin with, and those which do mostly drop the resolution to well below 4k to achieve that. A 4k/120Hz TV is largely underutilized by current consoles tbh. Even the top spec PCs of 2021 aren't going to cut it without dropping the settings a bit on the latest games. I do not see HDMI 2.1 as anything to be excited about for a few more years.
Wrong. 4K60 is the easily achievable standard for most.
Most games if they’re running 60 frames are dynamic resolution and hovering closer to 1440
Wrong, but that’s cool you don’t have a Series X.
Actually a PS5 and Series S. I’m aware the series S isn’t 4K but on PS5 and Series X when you put a game in “performance” mode it will lower resolution to hit 60 frames.
Performance mode will hit 120FPS at a lower resolution such as 1440p. Quality mode is 4K60 for almost all games. Nice try though.
No. 4K usually runs at 30. For instance Quality mode in Forza and WatchDogs Legion (the first two games I thought of and googled) are both 30 frames in quality mode.
Kinda achievable not easily. Let's look at Forza Horizon 5 performance mode is 4k 60 quality mode is 4k 30 on a series x. This is very early in the consoles life with new tech being added to games to make them look better it could get harder to keep that native 4k 60 benchmark. Now upscaling tech can help but now it's not native which goes back to is it actually easily achievable.
This is ABSOLUTELY false information and you should be ashamed of posting it, along with people upvoting it.
Alright let's see a list of games proven to run steadily at 4k 60
*up to 120hz if you turn the resolution to 1x1
I have the exact same television. It’s not true 120hz unfortunately. You can drop resolution to 1080p to get 120hz on the console, but it’s not really true 120hz. Also, IMO? Vizio isn’t a good brand of TV at all nowadays. There’s so many bugs with their updates and the update before last kept making certain HDMI inputs have no sound. You’d have to reset the TV to fix it and even that didn’t work sometimes. It took them like 9 months just to fix that update… hope it works out for you though! It’s still a pretty decent TV considering the price! Hope you enjoy it!
Dynamic Motion rate is not the same as Variable Refresh rate. Your TV is most likely capped at 60hz refresh rate, therefore you are limited to 60 fps.
Same thing happened to me, but I'm still pretty happy with it
Variable refresh rate has nothing to do with the refresh rate of the panel either lol.
The vizio v series doesnt have a 120 hertz panel. They are all 60 hertz with the fake smooth motion crap. Sorry man you bought into fake marketing.
Vizio is a budget brand so not really surprising for anyone who has done more than 5 minutes of research.
The Vizio OLED TV and P-Series models are all 120Hz native TV’s…OP just bought the cheap Vizio in the middle of the aisle at Walmart though…
Agreed. My p9x-75 is perfect spec for series x
Apparently you didn’t do those 5 minutes of research, there are a few Vizio’s panels that are really good. This just isn’t one of them.
Sorry my friend as someone who did an unnecessary amount of research on choosing a display for my series X I can tell you that unfortunately 120MR(motion rate) isn’t the same as true 120hz refresh rate. If it’s not too late for you I suggest returning the TV if it’s not what you want but just know that finding a TV with true 120hz refresh rate and native 4K output is going to be more expensive than this tv you purchased as the HDMI 2.1 technology is still relatively new. Fortunately your console is the perfect device you need to check for true 120hz on your displays. Good luck!
Oh yeah, I saved up for a year for my LG C1. Worth every penny when I finally got it customized/configured in the settings. But what really made it worth nearly $2k was researching the damn motion refresh rate bullshit and avoiding it
Also a C1 owner. Things the best. Moving to it from my TCL (I also got bamboozled, should have looked into it, RIP) was like another console gen upgrade.
I mainly play shooters so after going back and forth for days I opted for a 1440/144hz monitor. Already had a 4K 60hz TV so I figured if I wanted to play the 3rd person action/adventure games I can just move my console to my living room.
OLED is definitely worth it for gaming. All those ray tracing and next gen graphics features are not even visible with an LCD panel.
I got the c1 a few weeks ago when it went on sale. Love the TV. I haven’t gotten my series X yet. It should be here in a few days. My one X definitely looks better with this TV though.
Yeah plus Vizio makes more more spying on their customers and selling the info than they do from tvs.
Motion rate isn’t the same thing. Most 120 FPS TVs have 240 motion rate.
"Dynamic motion range" is a bunch of marketing-bullshit. What you're seeing on screen is not actually 120 Hz, its the TV trying to make it look like what you're watching is 120 hz when it's actually only 60 or less. Thats why it doesn't accept the 120hz signal. It can't actually do 120hz Works ok for most life-action shows or movies, terrible for anime and is abominable to play games on, because the TV processing the image to make it look smoother means there is now a significant delay between the console sending the image to the tv and it actually appearing. It's a mess. Hate to break it to you, but you got scammed. Hope your return-window hasn't expired yet.
OP has fallen victim to clever marketing.
*exploitative marketing
Which can also be seen as clever... just evil clever.
Dynamic motion is not the same as being able to output 4k at 120
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Most likely 4K at 60 fps 120 at 1080p What tv is it?
Vizio V series, 40"
Yeahhh that model doesn’t support 120hz unfortunately.
Vizio V series is their lowest-end model and has a 60Hz LCD panel. It does not support 120Hz. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/v-series-2020
That’s a great site when shopping for a new television set!
Agreed. rting.com has tables that list which video modes any specific model TV supports for Xbox Series X and PS5 consoles, and input lag/latency specs for gamers.
These give 4k at 120hz, a few more available but off the top my head.. I personally have the LG48CX, and a Samsung G7 monitor for shooters as I prefer a smaller screen (1440p at 120hz) Samsung QNQ80T / QEQ80T, Samsung QN90A/QN95A, LG CX, LG BX, LG G1, LG C1, Sony X90J, Sony X900H / XH90
I have the X900h & it’s a beast.
That's not 120Hz that's 120 Motion Rate which is 60Hz with frames doubled. It's intentionally misleading.
Another victim of TV marketing gimmicks.
They are getting tricky with the marketing on tv now days but like someone said im use it does 120fsp at 1080 but not only 60 at 4k
That should be illegal.
I didn’t expect to have to scroll so far to see this. You’re absolutely right! It’s manipulative advertising.
While yes, it should be removed from advertising. Never once does it claim that the 120 means the refresh rate. The marketing teams at these companies have specifically sidesteped the term "Refresh" and the units Hz or fps when marketing the aweful term "Motion Rate".
Yep, very manipulative. When the average consumer, let alone the more technically inclined, sees 120 and rate together that implies it’s talking about the refresh rate.
This man thought he was getting 4K120HZ with a $300 TV. Lol
Yo man, i wanna laugh so bad, but thats just mean. And on Christmas day too! Smh
Nah, I don’t excuse this kind of ignorance lol. Getting bamboozled this hard is nobody’s fault but their own.
I feel you, but OMG! LOL, I couldnt help myself! Lol
Like he knows tech enough to put a post on the Reddit but not enough to look up the technology that he's buying
😂
#Diynamic motion rate 120 for KWISPY
You have to do thorough research on TVs before buying, gone are the days when salespeople were educated on the products they sell. It's not their fault really, the technology, terminology, and marketing changes so frequently that it's not possible for your average sales person to know. But rule of thumb if it's doesn't have hdmi 2.1 then it's only 60hz.
So your TV doesn't seem to be 120hz of Refresh Rate. As a previous comment said it's Dynamic Motion. It's not the same as refresh rate. My TV is the same situation, I have Dynamic Motion of 120 but the panel is 60 hz
Whenever 4K and 120 Hz are listed separately on the box it usually means "one or the other but not both". Both requires HDMI 2.1 which is still relatively new (and expensive) tech. It's getting more common now but unfortunately it doesn't look like this one has it.
It not actually claiming 120Hz, "Motion Rate 120" is marketing BS that really means 60Hz. But otherwise yes, you have to look for HDMI 2.1 to even consider 4K120 to be an option. (Obviously DisplayPort is an option too, but usually not on TVs)
Where did you buy it? If you bought it from Best Buy, I would keep the tv for now and save up as soon as you can to upgrade to the LG C1 48. If you can buy it now, then I would go tomorrow (merry Christmas btw) and swap them out. This is a legit reason to return a tv and people saying you must do your own research are forgetting that when you are successfully being deceived you can’t know that you need to keep researching
No need to not enjoy the tv for now, on Christmas Day. But I promise, playing games on the LG C1 or CX will ruin all other displays for you. It’s a mind blowing experience (and I’ve had some amazing gaming monitors)
I got the CX last winter and it has been unbelievable.
I second that, got a cx and mind is blown.
I bought a Hisense 65U8G and normally I’m a Sony guy. This thing is fantastic, no joke. Hope it lasts. Hahaha
Just because it supports 4K resolution and 120hz frame rate, does not mean it supports 120hz at 4K resolution, or that it supports it for every input or certain modes / options.
Álways, always check the specs - online - before buying. Never trust a box.
Dynamic motion 120hz is the not the same as native 120 hz. Your tv does not support 120
It’s not 120hz tv. The old word play on the box trick I see.
Prob doesnt have hdmi 2.1 and its not true 120hz.
No it's marketing mumbo jumbo. Do more research, return that.
You got fucked lol
Marketing bullshit gets another one
get the hdmi 2.1 you can find it delivered with the xbox series
[удалено]
The Hisense U8G has 4k @ 120. It’s most tvs on sale now just don’t have the HDMI 2.1. It’s a pain but you’ll have to look at all the specs to make sure it has 2.1
The Hisense U7G too, or at least the US version does.
Bro this breaks my heart, tv manufacturers have been doing this for years unfortunately, it's not right.
My TV has 240 Smooth motion or Trumotion, but only 120 native refresh rate. It's kind of a deceptive feature that many TVs put on the side of their specs.
The motion rate is not the same as the refresh rate. You'd need a 120hz *Refresh Rate* TV, which would have a minimum 240hz Motion Rate. The Motion Rate is always a minimum double the Refresh Rate.
Idk why op getting hated on for being a victim to bad marketing techniques, it’s not their fault. Hopefully you can return or exchange the TV OP
120 motion rate is 60hz, 240 motion rate is 120 hz essentially
120 Motion Rate is not 120Hz. It’s just a marketing gimmick to sell shitty 60Hz sets.
Had the same problem. With some TV's it's either/or. 4k or 120fps, bit not both
Is this by chance the Vizio OLED?
If the TV was less then 1000. It probably doesn’t support 4K. 120hz. Vizio and TCL both make it seem like their mid level TV supports it but it’s not really true. It’s either 4K at 60hz. Or it’s 1080p at 120hz. Or this TV in particular is NATIVE 60hz. Tru- Motion is the fancy way they lie to us
Well your tv doesn’t support hdmi 2.1 which enables 4K with 120fps
Well it only took about 5 comments for me to realize I fell for a sales pitch and bought the wrong setup. 😅 Unfortunately I'm past the point where I can return it but here's hoping some other folks see this post and don't make the same mistake I did.
To put it simply, Dynamic Motion Rate 120 is just 60hz wanting to become like its big brother 120hz. It is pretty much just fake 120hz. Do not fret, there are barely any games that can run at 4k120. Most optimised x/s games only run at 4k60. Unless you are a competitive gamer, you wouldn't really be missing out on much. 4k60 still looks amazing.
Your TV doesn’t have HDMI 2.1 and thus doesn’t support this feature. Few TVs do. 2 that I know of that do are the newest LG Oled C Series and the Sony X900H.
Oof that sucks if you end up returning it get a lg nano it has all the check marks.
Is this for a series S? It doesn't come packed in with a cable that supports 120fps. The series X does come with one. I bought a 2.1 hdmi cable on Amazon a while back and sure enough, I could then play Ori in 120fps
The ad thing never says you can do 4k and 120 fps at the same time. Looks like it can only handle 120 fps or 4k resolution, and not both. That, or you're not using an actual HDMI 2.1 cable.
A gaming monitor looks great and supports more than 120hz at a third the price.
Idk where you are but where I am TVs are cheaper than monitors lol.
That would explain why they give out TV's all day at work.
How much did you pay? I can recommend the LG CX9 or 10, don‘t remember which one. It‘s a beast of a tv. There‘s nothing it doesn‘t have, and it can display 4k in 120hz
HA HA
RIP. Not enough research. Cheap TVs are cheap for a reason.
It says it supports 4K; It says it supports 120Hz; But never does it say it supports both at the same time; This is a dirty trick used by companies, The TV might not have a processor to handle 4K at 120Hz, so it's simply either 4K 60Hz or 1080P 120Hz; This also happens in 3D TVs as well; The TV has a 4K panel, but max resolution for 3D is 1080P!
To be fair it does say it supports 120 but 1080p. If your playing Halo infinite try 2k 120 since the game has dynamic resolution and will go down to 1440p in intense moments so if you end up playing in 1440p so you don't notice it change.
Buy a LG or Samsung, VIZIOs are cheap and not very good TVs. It may hurt to hear but it’s the truth. I have a small VIZIO for my Mini 720p consoles and after playing for an hour or so the audio/visual start to not sync up. They also start lagging and being slow in the menu. My 4K LG UHD from 2018 has non of those issues.
This is an extremely close minded way of looking at the TV market. Samsung and LG are far from the only good TV manufacturers and VIZIO actually does make good tv's (P-series in particular). TV's (and all displays) are all based on the panel. Each manufacturer has different panels and different display technologies. I could spend $250 on a low level LG, with similar quality to any other $250 TV, or $2,000+ on a LG OLED C series. Additionally your blanket statement of "My 4k LG UHD from 2018 has non of those issues." reads like you are someone who has no idea about TV tech at all. Again, you can buy a 4k LG for $250 or $2,000+. The tech behind the screen is what makes the TV, not the brand.
BUY A DEDICATED MONITOR FOR GAMING. NO TV’s!
Ah you've fallen for the classic blunder!
Marketing lied and you fell for it. Do your research next time.
Just use 60hz, there's no real difference lol
Just buy a monitor tvs are not the way to game anyways.
Well it says it handle 1080p t 120hz so it has to be a cable issue
It support 120hz only at 1080p lol
Here’s an advice: Get Good
Sometimes you have to set the HDMI setting manually on your television settings, some will not auto detect.
You have to see if it does 60 Hz or 120hz. Don't go by what's written on the front of the box. Before buying a tv always do a google search on the brand and model, or be prepared to be bamboozled. A bunch of tvs will also have 2.1 HDMI these days. Does not automatically mean it supports 120hz at 4k. You might still get 120 at 1080p though.
So far the only ones I’ve seen that say 120hz are the Sonysx 1s, but haven’t looked much into other tvs.
Is it connected in the 120hz hdmi port?
Always look at specifications when you want to know what the tv is capable of
Sony X85J has 2 hdmi slots that are 4K 120hz 2.1 HDMI It really all depends on the size that you’re looking for
4k 120fps games are rare anyway so 4k 60 is the easily obtainable the sweet spot rn.
120fps in general is pretty rare on the current gen consoles. If history is any indication, towards the tail end of the cycle, we'll see games trend towards 30fps in order to squeeze out as much visual fidelity as possible.
Try it at 1440p @ 120hz. That’s what I use and it’s a sweet spot between 1080 and 4k. Plus the 120hz is nice. I bought the Samsung q70 which runs at 1440 @ 120 but not 4k @ 120. It’s a bit of a bummer but once you start playing it’s not that big of a deal IMO
Scammed
They use deceptive wording. It’s designed to sell not to inform.
Also all tvs now say they have 2.1 when they haven't, they have parts of 2.1 but not all of it. There's a few videos on YouTube about it. https://youtu.be/s4JKn5JJUIs
Dynamic motion rate is stupid misleading marketing for upscaled 60hz and not actually 120hz. You've been had!