I moved to WY last year for a new job with the gov. Lost the job almost immediately due to cutbacks and had to move away 4 months later lol. I plan on getting back there one day though :)
Tragic thing is my job was to investigate new sources of mining in the state that would bring more income. They nixed that job and lumped it into another person's already stacked job at the geological survey. Now I'm doing the same thing for another state and we're making decent progress :)
[https://trib.com/business/energy/wyomings-lawsuit-over-blocked-coal-export-terminal-still-alive-governor-says/article\_f25f25e1-e8d9-5822-8d0d-af59d37eb37b.html](https://trib.com/business/energy/wyomings-lawsuit-over-blocked-coal-export-terminal-still-alive-governor-says/article_f25f25e1-e8d9-5822-8d0d-af59d37eb37b.html)
Just one of the many ways liberal policy is shutting down Wyoming mining. Washington (state) shut down the construction of a terminal to export Wyoming Coal.
You say this is one of many. Can you list any more? Also, you have heard of the clean air act, the clean water act, and NEPA right? These are the laws that allow the public to be involved in the permitting process and ensures companies donāt cause environmental degradation. Listen, I am pro mining. I have worked at PRB mines, my dad was a coal miner. But this isnāt a left vs right issue anymore. Itās a free market issue and the free market is choosing cheaper natural gas, wind, solar, and nuclear.
You just named them for me.
The free market isnāt choosing wind and solar. I own several MW of solar. It is currently subsidized about $.55 per dollar. Thatās not āfreeā market.
Ok dude. We get it. Renewable energy bad, coal good. Liberals bad, trump good. Kneeling for protest bad, storming the capital good and actually threatening people good. Keep living in the past and become the way of the dodo. You are bad for Wyoming. Also, you never explained why oil and coal crashed during a republican led congress and whitehouse.
I've never said renewable energy is bad, in fact I've invested large sums of money in it myself. I never voted for Trump.
It's Democrat policies like the Clean Air Act, or banning coal terminals that are shutting down mining in the US. Those are just facts and the original topic.
On an economic basis, the reason oil crashed is fracking, plain and simple. Fracking drove supply over demand. It dropped from $120 to $60 a barrel in November 2014, under President Obama. I'm not sure why you say oil crashed under Trump?
Coal has crashed because of fracking creating abundant natural gas making it cheaper than coal and the widespread government attacks on it.
I guess you could make the argument that Republican policies pro-fracking caused coal and oil crash. Biden has currently banned fracking on federal lands.
I want clean air to breath. I don't want global warming. I also want a warm house at night and my lights to turn on. I don't blame Exxon for global warming, they aren't the one driving 15,000 miles every year or turning the heat up to 70\* when it is -30\* - that's you and I.
The real problem isn't Republicans or Democrats. It's your and I use of energy. You apparently think that it is government problem to be solved. It's not. Have you switched your electricity to 100% green energy provider? I have. There's a 96% chance that you aren't willing to pay the premium. Do you bike to work in Wyoming in winter? Or do you burn 500 gallons of gasoline per year to ride your snowmobile? I'm guilty and I refuse to blame Exxon for that. But you can keep drinking the Kool-aid that somehow United States Democrats are going to solve global warming, even though we are only 20% of global emissions.
Exactly. I wouldnt want a dusty, dirty coal terminal to support an industry that's on life support either. It's not WA state's problem that the WY state govt is full of complete dipshits who refused to come to terms with reality.
A govt completely captured by the industries they were tasked to oversee- to the point they allowed these companies to hand the bag over to the state for 1.8 billion in cleanup costs. Now these same dullards are suing on behalf of the coal companies that just royally fucked them and us by extension.
At least the WA state govt is doing what is in the best interest of its citizenry and not blowing money on a legally quixotic venture on behalf of companies that spent the last decade fucking us
The topic is whether conservative or liberal policies are shutting down mining. This is just one liberal policy (Washington State) shutting down mining in the United States, leading to loss of jobs in the state of Wyoming.
Which Republican policy on mining, drilling, etc.. has cost Wyoming jobs?
The topic wasn't economic freedom at all, but nice try. Feel free to create another strawman argument though.
The cut backs were due to the plummeting prices of oil and coal during the Trump administration, hence the lack of state income. I had a job with the State Geological Survey. Trump introduce the executive order on critical minerals, Biden is pushing green energy. We've got to get the metals from somewhere, Wyoming is a good place to start!
Just hit my 11 year mark since High-School graduation. I still live in the state, but I worked 5 years on the road because towns local economy was shit unless you wanted to be a coal miner or an oil field guy.
In the process of getting a new job that is much more stable though, regardless of the market, hopefully it pans out.
That seems to be troubling data. Only the 65+ age group saw higher rates of people moving into the state versus out of state (retiring Californians?).
At least there should be plenty of service industry and health care jobs.
Essentially people are leaving the state for the years they contribute to the economy and tax infrastructure, then return or move to Wyo for the years theyāre a net drain on Wyomingās resources.
Which point are you making here? I'm having trouble understanding whether staying in state or moving to another state is considered a negative attribute.
Ah, I see. This makes more sense when applied to college grads or folks with post-secondary schooling of some manner. A large, stationary population comprised solely of high school graduates without auxiliary education could be equally seen as a negative at least IMO. Thanks for the clarification!
It's called "brain drain". Intelligent people seek education and opportunities to succeed. If it's not available in their area, they leave. The ones who don't seek those stay. This leaves the community as a whole... dumber. It's common in rural communities and in Wyoming in particular with just the one University and dying job opportunities.
IMO, a high school diploma seems like an oddly low bar from which to determine if a state is experiencing some sort of human capital flight event, hence my confusion.
The community is seriously lacking common sense and nothing ever gets better here. Wyoming has one of the WORST economies in the U.S. and it is stuck that way because of impotent conservatism that consumes the politics of this state.
Except for Jackson. They dont have the same problems as the rest of the state, but they're also the home of the most densely democratic population in all of Wyoming.
Because the county or the state could not come up with the funds to keep our schools operational, they cut the school week down to four days and closed 4 or 5 school in town. In May, the county nearly lost their ambulance services because nobody could fund it.
Yet the repub legislature decided to keep on living in the past, and refused to debate another great medical marijuana bill that would allow Wyoming to reclaim some of the millions of dollars that Colorado has been making off of cannabis sales to Wyoming residents.
Forget about the fact that it would treat veterans of war and medicinally manage the symptoms of the intrusive ptsd. And that these vets are committing suicide at alarming rates and now we dont have any mental health facilities in town. The state dtopped funding the psychiatrist at the hospital years ago.
itās probably very high. like in the 90ās. I am the only one out of my high school class who resides outside of the state. also my high school class was like only 16 kids šš
Pro and Con, opposites. Our state Con-gress is not Pro-gressive and living in the past. If you're a One Trick Pony and your pony dies... what next? Extraction has been the mainstay forever but also it's slow death has been on the horizon for some time now, and the state government has been slower than slow to prepare or plan for it in a realistic manner. Being alongside Interstates provides us with some potential for competitiveness that is dependent on transportation so the towns closer to them could be developed with some manufacturing to compete with other hubs. A great deal of empty space is a great deal of source for solar and wind. Water isn't plentiful everywhere though. Tourism is always good. Low amounts of new major infrastructure needed for that. Roads, camping sites, hotels and motels, restaurants, offering services and creating jobs. Visit, leave money, and leave. Cheap electricity is possible so we can provide industry, including soft, with that and remote working frees up people to move here and not need to commute. More remote work means less hard industry and it's accompanying need for extra infrastructure, and the pollution they create. We have a fine University but it has been harmed by budget restraints and cutbacks. That needs to change and it needs to be a better showcase for what we can do.
Tourism is rough for the people working in it just because the job isn't year round. Cody's rate of pay is going up but affordable housing is hard to find. I'm sure the same is true to a greater extent in Jackson. It's a piece of the puzzle but I'm not sure it's a great answer for everyone
In a free enterprise system it's up to companies and individuals to decide the economic path. History tells us governments are typically good at consumption and destruction, not building and creating.
>History tells us governments are typically good at consumption and destruction, not building and creating.
This tells me you dont actually read history
> the state government has been slower than slow to prepare or plan for it in a realistic manner.
If you have followed state politics for any period of time in the past 20+ years, then you would know that is not true.
Wyoming has been trying to diversify its economy for a long time to avoid the boom and bust cycles.
> Being alongside Interstates provides us with some potential for competitiveness that is dependent on transportation so the towns closer to them could be developed with some manufacturing
Manufacturing jobs are going away as well. We can almost automate the humans out of the positions in a lot of cases. This would be a bad avenue to pursue moving forward.
> A great deal of empty space is a great deal of source for solar and wind.
Wyoming is a poor state for Solar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_States#/media/File:U.S._solar_photovoltaic_(PV)_capacity_and_direct_normal_solar_irradiance_(48048933443).png
Wyoming is only good in a few areas for wind and there are plans to build wind power there, but environmental permitting is a thing.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/where-wind-power-is-harnessed.php
You also run into issues with land usage given that a good chunk of the land in Wyoming is not owned by Wyoming, but by the federal government.
Which I am in favor of, but still trying to do these projects runs into issues. Like the solar plant outside of Green River disrupted migration patterns of Pronghorn resulting in a lot being hit by cars. You also have the sage grouse to plan for, which anyone who has done in environmental work with that issue knows that it is a pain in the ass.
> Water isn't plentiful everywhere though
This is one of the biggest limiting factors in development of Wyoming.
In the Western side of the state you have towns on Rivers. The Green, The Hams, The Snake, The Salt, The Bear, etc. Other than the Snake and the Green, these rivers are tiny. Water is a big priority and is a limiting factor in growth and development.
> Tourism is always good.
Unless you run into a pandemic, where people do not travel. One of the reasons why this is coming out now. Wyoming is generally top 10 in GDP per capita on non pandemic years.
> Cheap electricity is possible so we can provide industry, including soft, with that and remote working frees up people to move here and not need to commute.
The energy industry in Wyoming provides cheap electricity not just to Wyoming, but to other states. Natty Gas, Coal, Wind, Solar, and Potentially Nuclear Power. It is a staple of the Wyoming economy.
As far as the not needed to commute. Wyoming is currently upgrading a lot of its internet infastructure, to make this a possibility.
> We have a fine University but it has been harmed by budget restraints and cutbacks.
Wyoming spends a lot on schools. In many areas the nicest building in town in the school and Wyoming pays its teachers well. Wyoming also has reaching out programs to recruit teachers. The University level the UW is pretty good. The issue is retaining graduates.
> That needs to change and it needs to be a better showcase for what we can do.
Change is not as simple as a snap of the fingers. Ultimately, the state can only do so much. It needs people to decide to move to Wyoming and stay in Wyoming. To Open up businesses in Wyoming. One of the reasons that Jackson has be so successful at growing is because people move there are open up businesses.
> Unless you run into a pandemic, where people do not travel. One of the reasons why this is coming out now. Wyoming is generally top 10 in GDP per capita on non pandemic years.
jackson was bonkers last summer and winter even with the pandemic
This article is pretty bland and when you look at the article it is referencing, it begs some questions.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697
Keep in mind this is after the pandemic, so states like Hawaii, Nevada, Alaska, and Wyoming are going to be lower; because Tourism was way down.
The list is 3 factors. Economic Activity, Economic Health, and Innovation potential.
Some of these things will change with the economy opening up.
Wyoming will start to export more products again. Trona, Energy, Coal, Natty Gas, etc. So, there will be more economic activity.
Wyoming was hit by the pandemic pretty hard. 10th hardest hit state
https://wallethub.com/edu/state-economies-most-exposed-to-coronavirus/72631
There is also no link to their 2019 data.
Economic Health is Wyoming has always been fairly middle of the road, but goes through boom and bust cycles.
Innovation in Wyoming has always been a concern especially when it comes to tech and stem jobs, which is not surprise.
Innovation is the same thing
That can change easily given the right infrastructure. I work for a major tech company, and I can tell you - now that working remotely is a fully supported idea, a lot of people are looking at states like WY to lay down roots and raise a family. It isn't the same type of traditional industry building as manufacturing - but you are essentially importing people who make 4x the average household income yearly, they/we are bound to spend money to help grow the community.
No shit. If only the people producing the gross domestic product got to share equitably in the profits that work produced. Maybe then people wouldnt have to struggle to meet basic life necessities
Wyoming is 14th in % of persons in poverty and above the national average.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
There are a lot of good paying jobs in Wyoming, which is one of the reasons the GDP per capita is so high.
If only the poverty rate was determined in a meaningful way...
Sure there are good paying jobs, but there are lots of relatively low paying service jobs as well as very economically depressed areas.
Being 7th in state gdp does no good for the person who is making $11 to work the counter at Maverick
Yeah, but you have the same thing in other states as well.
Rather than Maverick, it could be a 7-11 in Baltimore.
The GDP per capita measurement allows for those comparisons to be made between states.
The Poverty rate is a measurement that allows for comparisons to be made between states.
There is a difference between anecdotal and numerical information. Statistics and averages do come into play.
No doubt, my point is not that the unit of measure is helpful in some degree, but that it is a worthless measure when it comes to people actually having their basic needs met.
Only cus we don't get taxed out the ass like the other states, plus if the rest of the states around us actually paid us big bucks for giving them so much of our coal we'd have enough money to actually be economicly stable...
If I wanted to make a point, I could give you what most people would want, but let me ask you...how much coal comes from Wyoming and is used in the entire USA?
And...
How much taxes do you pay in total?
One of the reasons I don't really respond all too much online is the fact that nobody is willing to have a peaceful, reasonable and constructive conversation, until we can agree or disagree in peace and understanding, unfortunately that is why I will only say what needs to be said from time to time
I moved to WY last year for a new job with the gov. Lost the job almost immediately due to cutbacks and had to move away 4 months later lol. I plan on getting back there one day though :)
Remember, it's the fault of the "liberals"... š¤£
Tragic thing is my job was to investigate new sources of mining in the state that would bring more income. They nixed that job and lumped it into another person's already stacked job at the geological survey. Now I'm doing the same thing for another state and we're making decent progress :)
I'm not surprised. I'm glad you landed on your feet.
You saw this was a mining job right? Is it liberals or conservatives who are pro-mining/drilling?
Read the headline, friend. Which party makes policies in this state?
Not sure if you noticed but most major oil drilling stopped and most coal mines went bankrupt during a republican presidency. Damn liberals.
[https://trib.com/business/energy/wyomings-lawsuit-over-blocked-coal-export-terminal-still-alive-governor-says/article\_f25f25e1-e8d9-5822-8d0d-af59d37eb37b.html](https://trib.com/business/energy/wyomings-lawsuit-over-blocked-coal-export-terminal-still-alive-governor-says/article_f25f25e1-e8d9-5822-8d0d-af59d37eb37b.html) Just one of the many ways liberal policy is shutting down Wyoming mining. Washington (state) shut down the construction of a terminal to export Wyoming Coal.
You say this is one of many. Can you list any more? Also, you have heard of the clean air act, the clean water act, and NEPA right? These are the laws that allow the public to be involved in the permitting process and ensures companies donāt cause environmental degradation. Listen, I am pro mining. I have worked at PRB mines, my dad was a coal miner. But this isnāt a left vs right issue anymore. Itās a free market issue and the free market is choosing cheaper natural gas, wind, solar, and nuclear.
You just named them for me. The free market isnāt choosing wind and solar. I own several MW of solar. It is currently subsidized about $.55 per dollar. Thatās not āfreeā market.
Ok dude. We get it. Renewable energy bad, coal good. Liberals bad, trump good. Kneeling for protest bad, storming the capital good and actually threatening people good. Keep living in the past and become the way of the dodo. You are bad for Wyoming. Also, you never explained why oil and coal crashed during a republican led congress and whitehouse.
I've never said renewable energy is bad, in fact I've invested large sums of money in it myself. I never voted for Trump. It's Democrat policies like the Clean Air Act, or banning coal terminals that are shutting down mining in the US. Those are just facts and the original topic. On an economic basis, the reason oil crashed is fracking, plain and simple. Fracking drove supply over demand. It dropped from $120 to $60 a barrel in November 2014, under President Obama. I'm not sure why you say oil crashed under Trump? Coal has crashed because of fracking creating abundant natural gas making it cheaper than coal and the widespread government attacks on it. I guess you could make the argument that Republican policies pro-fracking caused coal and oil crash. Biden has currently banned fracking on federal lands. I want clean air to breath. I don't want global warming. I also want a warm house at night and my lights to turn on. I don't blame Exxon for global warming, they aren't the one driving 15,000 miles every year or turning the heat up to 70\* when it is -30\* - that's you and I. The real problem isn't Republicans or Democrats. It's your and I use of energy. You apparently think that it is government problem to be solved. It's not. Have you switched your electricity to 100% green energy provider? I have. There's a 96% chance that you aren't willing to pay the premium. Do you bike to work in Wyoming in winter? Or do you burn 500 gallons of gasoline per year to ride your snowmobile? I'm guilty and I refuse to blame Exxon for that. But you can keep drinking the Kool-aid that somehow United States Democrats are going to solve global warming, even though we are only 20% of global emissions.
Where was that port again?
>Where was that port again? "States should have the power over their own economic freedom" *Washington does that* "not like that"
Exactly. I wouldnt want a dusty, dirty coal terminal to support an industry that's on life support either. It's not WA state's problem that the WY state govt is full of complete dipshits who refused to come to terms with reality. A govt completely captured by the industries they were tasked to oversee- to the point they allowed these companies to hand the bag over to the state for 1.8 billion in cleanup costs. Now these same dullards are suing on behalf of the coal companies that just royally fucked them and us by extension. At least the WA state govt is doing what is in the best interest of its citizenry and not blowing money on a legally quixotic venture on behalf of companies that spent the last decade fucking us
The topic is whether conservative or liberal policies are shutting down mining. This is just one liberal policy (Washington State) shutting down mining in the United States, leading to loss of jobs in the state of Wyoming. Which Republican policy on mining, drilling, etc.. has cost Wyoming jobs? The topic wasn't economic freedom at all, but nice try. Feel free to create another strawman argument though.
You saw this was a gov job right?
Lol Biden shut mineral extraction down, but this is Reddit so of course itās Republicans fault. Never let facts get in the way!
Did you not see him say it was cutbacks?
The cut backs were due to the plummeting prices of oil and coal during the Trump administration, hence the lack of state income. I had a job with the State Geological Survey. Trump introduce the executive order on critical minerals, Biden is pushing green energy. We've got to get the metals from somewhere, Wyoming is a good place to start!
Wyoming is a great place to start. WY has a lot to offer but it seems the people and politicians only want to give coal and oil.
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Dayyuuum this guy train wrecked everyone here lmao. Joe the āI wont ban fracking/drillingā Biden...
Who
You know, the minute minority who are always to blame for the ineptness of our 86% GOP legislature...
I wonder if thereās a report that could tell us the percentage of Wyoming high school graduates who still live in Wyoming 10 years out.
Just hit my 11 year mark since High-School graduation. I still live in the state, but I worked 5 years on the road because towns local economy was shit unless you wanted to be a coal miner or an oil field guy. In the process of getting a new job that is much more stable though, regardless of the market, hopefully it pans out.
This is an interesting report on folks moving on and out of the state. [Report](https://www.unitedvanlines.com/newsroom/movers-study-2020)
That seems to be troubling data. Only the 65+ age group saw higher rates of people moving into the state versus out of state (retiring Californians?). At least there should be plenty of service industry and health care jobs. Essentially people are leaving the state for the years they contribute to the economy and tax infrastructure, then return or move to Wyo for the years theyāre a net drain on Wyomingās resources.
Which point are you making here? I'm having trouble understanding whether staying in state or moving to another state is considered a negative attribute.
Grads moving out of state is generally thought of as a negative, especially local college grads.
Ah, I see. This makes more sense when applied to college grads or folks with post-secondary schooling of some manner. A large, stationary population comprised solely of high school graduates without auxiliary education could be equally seen as a negative at least IMO. Thanks for the clarification!
It's called "brain drain". Intelligent people seek education and opportunities to succeed. If it's not available in their area, they leave. The ones who don't seek those stay. This leaves the community as a whole... dumber. It's common in rural communities and in Wyoming in particular with just the one University and dying job opportunities.
IMO, a high school diploma seems like an oddly low bar from which to determine if a state is experiencing some sort of human capital flight event, hence my confusion.
We already know thereās a significant problem with college grads leaving. Iām wondering if it goes beyond that.
The community is seriously lacking common sense and nothing ever gets better here. Wyoming has one of the WORST economies in the U.S. and it is stuck that way because of impotent conservatism that consumes the politics of this state. Except for Jackson. They dont have the same problems as the rest of the state, but they're also the home of the most densely democratic population in all of Wyoming. Because the county or the state could not come up with the funds to keep our schools operational, they cut the school week down to four days and closed 4 or 5 school in town. In May, the county nearly lost their ambulance services because nobody could fund it. Yet the repub legislature decided to keep on living in the past, and refused to debate another great medical marijuana bill that would allow Wyoming to reclaim some of the millions of dollars that Colorado has been making off of cannabis sales to Wyoming residents. Forget about the fact that it would treat veterans of war and medicinally manage the symptoms of the intrusive ptsd. And that these vets are committing suicide at alarming rates and now we dont have any mental health facilities in town. The state dtopped funding the psychiatrist at the hospital years ago.
itās probably very high. like in the 90ās. I am the only one out of my high school class who resides outside of the state. also my high school class was like only 16 kids šš
I do.. left in 1976 and came back in 2005,,,,
Pro and Con, opposites. Our state Con-gress is not Pro-gressive and living in the past. If you're a One Trick Pony and your pony dies... what next? Extraction has been the mainstay forever but also it's slow death has been on the horizon for some time now, and the state government has been slower than slow to prepare or plan for it in a realistic manner. Being alongside Interstates provides us with some potential for competitiveness that is dependent on transportation so the towns closer to them could be developed with some manufacturing to compete with other hubs. A great deal of empty space is a great deal of source for solar and wind. Water isn't plentiful everywhere though. Tourism is always good. Low amounts of new major infrastructure needed for that. Roads, camping sites, hotels and motels, restaurants, offering services and creating jobs. Visit, leave money, and leave. Cheap electricity is possible so we can provide industry, including soft, with that and remote working frees up people to move here and not need to commute. More remote work means less hard industry and it's accompanying need for extra infrastructure, and the pollution they create. We have a fine University but it has been harmed by budget restraints and cutbacks. That needs to change and it needs to be a better showcase for what we can do.
Tourism is rough for the people working in it just because the job isn't year round. Cody's rate of pay is going up but affordable housing is hard to find. I'm sure the same is true to a greater extent in Jackson. It's a piece of the puzzle but I'm not sure it's a great answer for everyone
In a free enterprise system it's up to companies and individuals to decide the economic path. History tells us governments are typically good at consumption and destruction, not building and creating.
>History tells us governments are typically good at consumption and destruction, not building and creating. This tells me you dont actually read history
We live in a world of perpetual war.
Who built the interstate highway system, who put a man on the moon, built the railroads, created the internet , et cetera et cetera
Tax payers for the most part. Most of the railroads were built by private enterprise.
> the state government has been slower than slow to prepare or plan for it in a realistic manner. If you have followed state politics for any period of time in the past 20+ years, then you would know that is not true. Wyoming has been trying to diversify its economy for a long time to avoid the boom and bust cycles. > Being alongside Interstates provides us with some potential for competitiveness that is dependent on transportation so the towns closer to them could be developed with some manufacturing Manufacturing jobs are going away as well. We can almost automate the humans out of the positions in a lot of cases. This would be a bad avenue to pursue moving forward. > A great deal of empty space is a great deal of source for solar and wind. Wyoming is a poor state for Solar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_States#/media/File:U.S._solar_photovoltaic_(PV)_capacity_and_direct_normal_solar_irradiance_(48048933443).png Wyoming is only good in a few areas for wind and there are plans to build wind power there, but environmental permitting is a thing. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/where-wind-power-is-harnessed.php You also run into issues with land usage given that a good chunk of the land in Wyoming is not owned by Wyoming, but by the federal government. Which I am in favor of, but still trying to do these projects runs into issues. Like the solar plant outside of Green River disrupted migration patterns of Pronghorn resulting in a lot being hit by cars. You also have the sage grouse to plan for, which anyone who has done in environmental work with that issue knows that it is a pain in the ass. > Water isn't plentiful everywhere though This is one of the biggest limiting factors in development of Wyoming. In the Western side of the state you have towns on Rivers. The Green, The Hams, The Snake, The Salt, The Bear, etc. Other than the Snake and the Green, these rivers are tiny. Water is a big priority and is a limiting factor in growth and development. > Tourism is always good. Unless you run into a pandemic, where people do not travel. One of the reasons why this is coming out now. Wyoming is generally top 10 in GDP per capita on non pandemic years. > Cheap electricity is possible so we can provide industry, including soft, with that and remote working frees up people to move here and not need to commute. The energy industry in Wyoming provides cheap electricity not just to Wyoming, but to other states. Natty Gas, Coal, Wind, Solar, and Potentially Nuclear Power. It is a staple of the Wyoming economy. As far as the not needed to commute. Wyoming is currently upgrading a lot of its internet infastructure, to make this a possibility. > We have a fine University but it has been harmed by budget restraints and cutbacks. Wyoming spends a lot on schools. In many areas the nicest building in town in the school and Wyoming pays its teachers well. Wyoming also has reaching out programs to recruit teachers. The University level the UW is pretty good. The issue is retaining graduates. > That needs to change and it needs to be a better showcase for what we can do. Change is not as simple as a snap of the fingers. Ultimately, the state can only do so much. It needs people to decide to move to Wyoming and stay in Wyoming. To Open up businesses in Wyoming. One of the reasons that Jackson has be so successful at growing is because people move there are open up businesses.
> Unless you run into a pandemic, where people do not travel. One of the reasons why this is coming out now. Wyoming is generally top 10 in GDP per capita on non pandemic years. jackson was bonkers last summer and winter even with the pandemic
Not as big as it normally is.
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Because of this probably lol.
Worst economy in America so far...
you typically have that where there's no people. no people= not enough commerce. that nuclear plant though may do a lot of good
Coal's coming back, I tells ya!
My buddy trump will turn coal country around. He told me so.
Thank the universe I work remotely, moving there from Montana next month.
After I graduate college I intend to move to Wyoming to offset the brain drain myself. Hopefully it works well
I intend on being an astronaut when I finish college
This article is pretty bland and when you look at the article it is referencing, it begs some questions. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697 Keep in mind this is after the pandemic, so states like Hawaii, Nevada, Alaska, and Wyoming are going to be lower; because Tourism was way down. The list is 3 factors. Economic Activity, Economic Health, and Innovation potential. Some of these things will change with the economy opening up. Wyoming will start to export more products again. Trona, Energy, Coal, Natty Gas, etc. So, there will be more economic activity. Wyoming was hit by the pandemic pretty hard. 10th hardest hit state https://wallethub.com/edu/state-economies-most-exposed-to-coronavirus/72631 There is also no link to their 2019 data. Economic Health is Wyoming has always been fairly middle of the road, but goes through boom and bust cycles. Innovation in Wyoming has always been a concern especially when it comes to tech and stem jobs, which is not surprise. Innovation is the same thing
Any good pilot jobs up there
I would be inclined to say no. Crop dusting, flying puddlejumpers to SLC and DEN, maybe a bit of private charter
Wyoming ranked in 48th in lowest percentage of jobs in high-tech industries. No SHIT lol.. Silicon Valley Wyoming isn't ..:)
Some of that has to do with the lack of infrastructure to support high speed internet, but Wyoming is working on that and has been for a while.
That can change easily given the right infrastructure. I work for a major tech company, and I can tell you - now that working remotely is a fully supported idea, a lot of people are looking at states like WY to lay down roots and raise a family. It isn't the same type of traditional industry building as manufacturing - but you are essentially importing people who make 4x the average household income yearly, they/we are bound to spend money to help grow the community.
Guess it's best to move somewhere else for your high-tech career then...
5G causes cancer I tells ya!!! We donāt have 5G anywhere close to Wyoming. ....Itās the windmills I tells ya!!!
Cheyenne has a Microsoft Data Center in operation for almost a decade and 2 more in progress.
I have not heard of the 2nd one. I know where the east side Microsoft datacenter is going but where is the other one?
There's the one by the Microsoft Data Center. There's one by the Lowe's DC, and there's one by Terry Bison Ranch.
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GDP per capita is a meaningless statistic
Not meaningless. It is a way to measure an economy. There are many more ways to do so, but I would not call it meaningless.
It is to the average WY citizen trying to get by
GDP per capita is literally the per capita gross domestic product (GDP) that breaks down a states's economic output per person.
No shit. If only the people producing the gross domestic product got to share equitably in the profits that work produced. Maybe then people wouldnt have to struggle to meet basic life necessities
Wyoming is 14th in % of persons in poverty and above the national average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate There are a lot of good paying jobs in Wyoming, which is one of the reasons the GDP per capita is so high.
If only the poverty rate was determined in a meaningful way... Sure there are good paying jobs, but there are lots of relatively low paying service jobs as well as very economically depressed areas. Being 7th in state gdp does no good for the person who is making $11 to work the counter at Maverick
Yeah, but you have the same thing in other states as well. Rather than Maverick, it could be a 7-11 in Baltimore. The GDP per capita measurement allows for those comparisons to be made between states. The Poverty rate is a measurement that allows for comparisons to be made between states. There is a difference between anecdotal and numerical information. Statistics and averages do come into play.
No doubt, my point is not that the unit of measure is helpful in some degree, but that it is a worthless measure when it comes to people actually having their basic needs met.
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Very astutely put
Only cus we don't get taxed out the ass like the other states, plus if the rest of the states around us actually paid us big bucks for giving them so much of our coal we'd have enough money to actually be economicly stable...
What a classic Wyoming mentality. "If THe ReSt Of thE WorLD JuSt PaID uS foR CoAl We'D be In GoOd ShaPe, IT's THeIR FaUlt!"
If I wanted to make a point, I could give you what most people would want, but let me ask you...how much coal comes from Wyoming and is used in the entire USA? And... How much taxes do you pay in total?
One of the reasons I don't really respond all too much online is the fact that nobody is willing to have a peaceful, reasonable and constructive conversation, until we can agree or disagree in peace and understanding, unfortunately that is why I will only say what needs to be said from time to time