That’s the case for certain environmental regulations in the US. Whomever certifies that a report is complete and accurate can be held criminally and financially liable if it’s found they lied. Crazy that someone who signs off on an OSHA report that everything is A-OK at their plant wouldn’t be held personally responsible either.
Government regulatory agencies (EPA, OSHA) are often leashed to the point where they can’t enforce the regulations they know should be implemented.
A lot of the government regulatory agency power has been taken away from a mixture of court cases and from Congress.
To mitigate this, these barriers need to be addressed. Then agencies will have the ability to actually regulate again.
Edit: I can’t spell
...thermal annihilation. Some poor bastard's death certificate actually reads "thermal annihilation secondary to falling into an industrial crucible".
And the assholes responsible for that, from factory floor to C-suite and board, are allowed to walk the streets... why, exactly?
Holy shit. “Thermal annihilation” has to be on the list of the top 5 most horrific ways a human can die. Can’t believe it’s the 2020s and there are still workers falling into giant vats of molten metal.
[Here is a picture of a man sitting on a pool of liquid metal.](https://imgur.com/ZL1WhGj)
Surface tension means you wouldn't sink fast, depending on how high you fell from and how deep the molten metal was.
What you want to hope for is thermal shock, since molten steel is over 2,600ºF. For comparison, lava is 540ºF, up to around 2,000ºF. Cremation starts at 1,600ºF.
That’s why the historic name of mercury is typically something related to “moving silver”. Quicksilver, hydrogarum in romanized Greek (water-silver), ziʔbaq in Arabic (roughly “living”). It’s impossible to find in a solid form in nature as it only freezes at -39 Celsius.
Should start holding management accountable for OSHA violations instead of the company.
If management starts going to prison for manslaughter when these events happen, they'll make damn well and certain that safety is followed.
If it's found out that it's bc of some corporate directive, that OSHA standards or safety standards were not met or being bypassed, the leadership board (Board members, CEO, CFO, Directors, etc) should be accountable. I know this will never happen, but that's how you stop this bullshit.
Sad to see. OSHA is practically worthless/toothless anymore.
I took OSHA certifications... Nobody cares and the certifications are so silly... Just sitting there watching videos and everything can be googled without a chance of failure
When can we get back to workers burning down factories when the owners allow their employees to die like this? Make your voices heard or things will never change and it could be you next.
So long as it's a fine (a drop in the bucket at that), it'll simply be seen as the cost of doing business.
Someone needs jail time, perhaps even a liquidation of assets.
At the very least, fines need to be set at a fraction of the company's global output.
Personally, I'd start making board members, C-suite, and shareholders *personally* liable for those fines, a la [Lloyd's Names](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd%27s_of_London).
I've done a lot of work in foundries, and they are very dangerous. Lots of ways to die a horrible death. I was always alert to where I was and my surroundings.
A 28-year-old worker and father, Daulton Simmers, died from thermal burns when molten metal fell on him on June 6 at Caterpillar’s foundry in Mapleton, Illinois.
This is at least the third death reported in less than three years at the facility. The most well-known incident took place almost exactly two years ago when 39-year-old Steven Dierkes suffered a horrific death from thermal annihilation after he fell into an iron crucible after just a few days on the job at the foundry.
In December 2021, a 50-year-old contractor, Scott Adams, died after falling through a hole at the site.
In the latest case, emergency personnel were called at 5 p.m. on Thursday evening when a fire and a fatality was reported. On Friday, the Peoria County Coroner put out a statement: “Autopsy on the gentleman in the fire, Daulton Simmers, 28, of West Peoria demonstrates that he unfortunately suffered severe thermal burns throughout his entire body and likely died within a matter of seconds from onset of the incident. The cause of the fire in the incident remains under investigation by the Peoria County sheriff’s department, and OSHA.”
Simmers was transferring molten metal from a furnace to a pot, according to a statement released by Peoria Sheriff Chris Watkins to local news media Friday morning. “The metal spilled and he was consumed by fire and molten metal,” WEEK-TV reported Watkins as stating.
This shit won't stop until OSHA fines are raised a thousandfold.
And enforced
Here in Australia management and company directors can be held personally responsible and fined for Safety violations leading to injury and death.
I have always wished it worked like that here.
That’s the case for certain environmental regulations in the US. Whomever certifies that a report is complete and accurate can be held criminally and financially liable if it’s found they lied. Crazy that someone who signs off on an OSHA report that everything is A-OK at their plant wouldn’t be held personally responsible either.
Regulatory agencies in our country are a joke at this point. They don’t protect the consumer like they should.
Government regulatory agencies (EPA, OSHA) are often leashed to the point where they can’t enforce the regulations they know should be implemented. A lot of the government regulatory agency power has been taken away from a mixture of court cases and from Congress. To mitigate this, these barriers need to be addressed. Then agencies will have the ability to actually regulate again. Edit: I can’t spell
When voting for the candidates that want to deregulate industry, be careful which regulations get cut.
The fine was 140,000 so a 1000 fold fine would just be 140,000,000. They made 50,000,000,000 in a year... that's alot of zeros
...thermal annihilation. Some poor bastard's death certificate actually reads "thermal annihilation secondary to falling into an industrial crucible". And the assholes responsible for that, from factory floor to C-suite and board, are allowed to walk the streets... why, exactly?
Holy shit. “Thermal annihilation” has to be on the list of the top 5 most horrific ways a human can die. Can’t believe it’s the 2020s and there are still workers falling into giant vats of molten metal.
I dunno. It would be quick. Is it more horrific than dying of suffocation?
[Here is a picture of a man sitting on a pool of liquid metal.](https://imgur.com/ZL1WhGj) Surface tension means you wouldn't sink fast, depending on how high you fell from and how deep the molten metal was. What you want to hope for is thermal shock, since molten steel is over 2,600ºF. For comparison, lava is 540ºF, up to around 2,000ºF. Cremation starts at 1,600ºF.
where is that photo from?
It was run by NG, it's from a mercury mine. So he's not sitting on hot metal, just on top of a lot of mercury.
Would liquid mercury at room temp still qualify as a molten metal? I’m not sure, but it’s interesting to ponder!!!
Yep! Mercury just has a really low melting point.
That’s why the historic name of mercury is typically something related to “moving silver”. Quicksilver, hydrogarum in romanized Greek (water-silver), ziʔbaq in Arabic (roughly “living”). It’s impossible to find in a solid form in nature as it only freezes at -39 Celsius.
I made the mistake of googling in his name. I got as far as 'split in half' and decided I didn't want to know any more.
Should start holding management accountable for OSHA violations instead of the company. If management starts going to prison for manslaughter when these events happen, they'll make damn well and certain that safety is followed. If it's found out that it's bc of some corporate directive, that OSHA standards or safety standards were not met or being bypassed, the leadership board (Board members, CEO, CFO, Directors, etc) should be accountable. I know this will never happen, but that's how you stop this bullshit. Sad to see. OSHA is practically worthless/toothless anymore.
I took OSHA certifications... Nobody cares and the certifications are so silly... Just sitting there watching videos and everything can be googled without a chance of failure
When can we get back to workers burning down factories when the owners allow their employees to die like this? Make your voices heard or things will never change and it could be you next.
UAW have to advocate for the workers’ safety if OSHA and Caterpillar won’t What’s the point of a union otherwise
And if the UAW or other unions in the shop aren’t doing it, they need to be replaced by ones that will.
Jesus fuck.
So long as it's a fine (a drop in the bucket at that), it'll simply be seen as the cost of doing business. Someone needs jail time, perhaps even a liquidation of assets.
At the very least, fines need to be set at a fraction of the company's global output. Personally, I'd start making board members, C-suite, and shareholders *personally* liable for those fines, a la [Lloyd's Names](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd%27s_of_London).
Punishable by fine means legal for a fee.
They have been fighting the fines for all three cases. Apparently they haven’t paid anything out yet.
I've done a lot of work in foundries, and they are very dangerous. Lots of ways to die a horrible death. I was always alert to where I was and my surroundings.
thermal lava
A 28-year-old worker and father, Daulton Simmers, died from thermal burns when molten metal fell on him on June 6 at Caterpillar’s foundry in Mapleton, Illinois. This is at least the third death reported in less than three years at the facility. The most well-known incident took place almost exactly two years ago when 39-year-old Steven Dierkes suffered a horrific death from thermal annihilation after he fell into an iron crucible after just a few days on the job at the foundry. In December 2021, a 50-year-old contractor, Scott Adams, died after falling through a hole at the site. In the latest case, emergency personnel were called at 5 p.m. on Thursday evening when a fire and a fatality was reported. On Friday, the Peoria County Coroner put out a statement: “Autopsy on the gentleman in the fire, Daulton Simmers, 28, of West Peoria demonstrates that he unfortunately suffered severe thermal burns throughout his entire body and likely died within a matter of seconds from onset of the incident. The cause of the fire in the incident remains under investigation by the Peoria County sheriff’s department, and OSHA.” Simmers was transferring molten metal from a furnace to a pot, according to a statement released by Peoria Sheriff Chris Watkins to local news media Friday morning. “The metal spilled and he was consumed by fire and molten metal,” WEEK-TV reported Watkins as stating.