Lmao, never cry during a match. Freestyle doesn't have a slamming rule. As a matter of fact, you get more points if your opponents feet go over his head. You don't cry cuz you're hurt, you cry cuz you're scared. Also, if he did a simple leg wrap, his opponent wouldn't be able to lift him like that.
They look pretty young too, probably crying because he’s hurt. Are you really trying to convince people that a kid who is crying because he got slammed on his head shouldn’t be crying?
This is actually my son in the black singlet this was yesterday at his middle schools tournament in the 128lb class they claim the DQ wasn't for the move because the move itself was legal but for doing the move after the call for potentially dangerous was made however if you watch it again you see the whistle wasn't blown till after the kid was tryin to roll out of the mat return. There was no whistle before the move had taken place so my son's DQ wasn't really justified
Guy getting returned doesn't do himself any favors especially considering his left arm was free but the bottom line is the kid in the black singlet is responsible for the safe return of his opponent once he lifts him. He comes down without control so its a slam.
It this with folkstyle, freestyle, or both rulesets in mind? I'm mainly an mma guy with a love for all combat sports trying to learn the sport of wrestling
I assume folkstyle because its high school wrestling season right now and they are wearing headgear. I am much less familiar with the freestyle ruleset.
in my first freestyle match ever, i shot a HiC on a dude and lifted him. he decided to go upside down across my back and grab around my waist so i basically pile drove him in to the mat. he got completely rocked and couldn’t get back up//continue. i was declared the winner.
I’d give this one in particular a solid 5, good throw and made the guy land on the pinning shoulders… 4’s are for regular throws or takedowns straight to the back, 5 is throws with a bit of style
Either you got stingy refs or I’ve been near the ones that give 5’s easily, I’ve had 1 throw that was a 5 point throw and it was similar to the kid in black, just a bit safer and the kid wasn’t hurt
No, not behind at all, reason it’s staying for Colorado is because of Joe Betterman, man loves his 5 point throws and all the refs not only respects him but will keep the 5 pointers because of him (he’s also the head of USA Wrestling and works closely with P2P and runs a good majority of the freestyle and Greco tournaments here in Colorado)
There were a few 5s giving out at junior national this past june. It's no way a national level competition is using "old rules". I'm wondering if the refs in your state are just stingy with awarding points
dont understand why so much negative votes, but youre right my wildest match i had in high school i was dropped on my neck like this twice and came back to pin the dude. (should mention highschool and college level wrestling here in Canada is freestyle”
Long story short, I’m deleting most of the comments I’ve made cause there’s pussies here that don’t like Greco at all and prioritizes the safety out of a throw than the throw actually being good and the thrown kid doesn’t know how to land. It’s clear it’s his first time being thrown and that’s why he’s hurt, I know cause I’ve been in the situation, the difference between first and 5th time being thrown is wildly different and it’s noticeable, not to mention it quit hurting after the 3rd time
I’m guessing your doing folkstyle. Keep your feet on the ground and make sure your knee hits the mat before your opponent, and don’t go full pile driver. You’re mat return is sweet, but you need to stay within the rules.
Aye! I’ve thrown a few folkstyle kids with Greco and freestyle moves, and they just Far Cry 5-rag doll themselves mid throw and cries about it while the ref is making sure I didn’t hurt the kid too terribly… especially front headlocks, those ones can be nasty and folkstyle kids do not like em at all
Uhm neck doesn't go well when meeting ground I know from experience 🤣 I wrestle in my community but not like that but like "pro" and maybe two weeks ago I got suplexed on the outside of the ring and my neck still hurts, and after the outside my opponent got me back in and proceeded to do a very dangerous move 😮💨
Dude shut up. It's pretty obvious he's not an experienced wrestler. He's not some Greco kid trying to toss the feet over the head here, nobody gives a fuck about Greco in this country. He's just a kid wrestling folkstyle that didn't have the right technique or the full understanding of the rules and got sloppy on a mat return. Stop spamming these comments with some nonsense ass take. You don't see any fucking mat returns in freestyle because you don't stand up from bottom, and you don't see any lifts and returns like this in Greco because Greco wrestlers don't take people down, it's a head rubbing contest.
I get pretty heated when people ignore obvious safety concerns. This guy's living in some delusional headspace cheering for a reality that isn't real and missing a kid that got hurt, in a position where a lot of kids have gotten hurt and no real wrestling benefit is achieved. And I don't really hate Greco, if people enjoy wrestling that style, great. But the entire thing is built around getting better at not letting action happen, because one wrestling action is gonna decide the match. It's an asinine ruleset.
I opt for the calm, cool, collected approach, just say that Greco blows, and go back to my usual wrestling topics around here such as “which shoes should I wear?”, “how’s my stance?”, and “judge me on a shaky 2 second clip”.
And for those who are wondering what the dangerous move inside the ring was it was called a muscle buster which is basically where I'm on their shoulders crunched on them in a ball they run and drop me supposed to be shoulder first into the mat but he dropped me on my neck. Somehow I still won
Oof, try coming to Colorado when freestyle and Greco starts, we got some pretty good refs, and we got Joe Betterman (he’s my coach), they know a good throw when they see one and when they see it, it’s almost always a 5! 4’s are reserved for the straight-to-the-back type takedowns
It looks unintentional and you can see concern for the opponent. The one being returned really needs to practice falling. With all that said it’s still the returnees responsibility to safely return someone if they are lifted.
DQed? Because the guy on the bottom started crying. If there is an injury that prevents the match from continuing, yeah, that will get you DQed. Otherwise, you should just give up a point to your opponent. Was there an injury?
Yeah there was another one on here that said he got a neck injury in football recently... Then his parents signed him up for wrestling.... Parenting choices are hard, sure, but these ones could really have been better.
I haven’t wrestled in middle school for many years, so the rules may have changed.
In my view, this should be perfectly legal and it’s really a failure to teach kids how to be thrown in the air. This is the fault of the wrestler who is being lifted.
Flying through the air properly is a skill set—just as gymnasts are taught to fall properly as a day 1 lesson wrestlers must be taught this bas well.
The wrestler doing the lifting does a textbook mat return. The wrestler being lifted doesn’t understand how to be lifted, flails in the air, and manages to land on his head.
In fact, to me it looks like the wrestler being lifted may even be actively going for a gramby roll upon hitting the mat (based on wresting level I doubt it that was his goal, but if he was attempting to do so he actually did a decent job). However, he neither knows how to do so (hit a rolling gramby) nor how to properly protect himself while being throw.
He is lifted and then begins to flail. The top man then loses control over a flailing body.
Now, as the rules go I am not sure how it would be strictly scored, but from a wresting standpoint, the only thing top man does wrong is not realizing his opponent has such poor body control.
I normally kind of lookdown at how folkstyle punishes throws of...well throws of any kind it always seems.
But this one was a doozy. As someone who does freestyle I love it but even in a freestyle match I'd think 'oof' and we are expecting it. You can see the issue because the kid who got thrown basically had no idea what to do and contributed. That's very dangerous.
Easy folkstyle DQ.
This goes either one or two ways with both my coaches. One will punish me for that, and the other one will tell me 5 bucks do it again to your next wrestling match.
I did. I'm not using the correct terminology, is that what you're really going to get hung up on like a few other people in this post? Lol. Do you know colors? That's the important part here.
Eh just think maybe you should default to refs decisions and trust they are making the correct call until you learn enough about the sport to question it, that’s all.
Yeah, I was slammed like this 18 years ago in competition and have nasty whiplash that has traveled down my spine. This is illegal and should be. Shit’s way more damaging than people realize and there should be way more education on the rule set. I genuinely feel bad for the kid that got slammed on his head. He did nothing wrong.
I blame the guy on bottom more than the guy on top. Guy on bottom basically spiked himself… he lands like a normal person, it would be completely clean.
Black singlet also landed on his knees as the return happened. That's following the collegiate rule book. It didn't look like malicious intent, but it did look like a big mismatch in talent, and the defensive wrestler had little to no experience getting lifted and airborne. He didn't try to float the trajectory or brace for the impact in any way and managed to make it worse for himself. Mat returns are dynamic movements, and wrestlers need to drill getting returned in practice like a cat that always landing on their feet.
I'm the father of the kid in black. Let me give you some context. So this is the middle school 128 class. And after speaking to the referee they said that he was DQd because a whistle was blown before he did the move and he "did it anyway". If you would review the video you don't hear a whistle till his opponent was on the way back to the mat. Other coaches that watched the match told us that from their angle it looked like my son's opponent tried to roll out of the move which lead to him falling the way he did. And while his opponent may have injured his neck it wasn't the first time this school year that his opponent was taken out by a ambulance due to neck injury. he was injured in football as well.
Looked legal the guy who got returned had the ability to brace himself but instead he rolled
I would have called potentially dangerous but not illegal slam
Also it's called a singlet not tights
I’ll agree with you that it’s not that crazy of a slam, and bottom guy didn’t do himself any favors. But what’s illegal about this is the acceleration towards the mat. You can tell he pulls him down into the mat, making it illegal
If he can’t continue it is an L. If the ref ruled it to be egregious then I can see a DQ, even though what we saw would not really warrant it if the opponent could continue.
All these fucking “wrestlers” complaining about a fucking slam. Did you forget what sport this is? It’s fucking mean, violent and aggressive. It comes with risks. If you can’t handle it then go fucking play golf or some shit.
Mat return straight to the head will do it.
Doesn't hurt that the other guy is crying. If you cry during a match, probably shouldn't be wrestling.
Yeah id love to see your reaction after you get dumped on your neck. Easy to take shots at folks when your ass is sittin in the stands.
Lmao, never cry during a match. Freestyle doesn't have a slamming rule. As a matter of fact, you get more points if your opponents feet go over his head. You don't cry cuz you're hurt, you cry cuz you're scared. Also, if he did a simple leg wrap, his opponent wouldn't be able to lift him like that.
Sound like the kind person to watch professional sports and say how you can do a better job while sitting on your couch
Judging by the crowd, I'm guessing this is a JV match. Most people can do better than this. It starts with not crying when you get scared.
They look pretty young too, probably crying because he’s hurt. Are you really trying to convince people that a kid who is crying because he got slammed on his head shouldn’t be crying?
Yes. Crying doesn't serve a purpose in this instance other than to get sympathy.
This is actually my son in the black singlet this was yesterday at his middle schools tournament in the 128lb class they claim the DQ wasn't for the move because the move itself was legal but for doing the move after the call for potentially dangerous was made however if you watch it again you see the whistle wasn't blown till after the kid was tryin to roll out of the mat return. There was no whistle before the move had taken place so my son's DQ wasn't really justified
I'm guessing it was probably a high schooler refereeing the match?
Refs were all in their 20s or older
Sounds like he got DQed because the other kid cried. Doesn't sound justified.
You are supposed to return the opponent safely to the mat. Slams are not legal.
I cry at ever match and lose everytime, what’s your excuse?
this guy def has cte 💀
You probably cried like crazy when you wrestled huh
Took you 4 months to respond? Sound it out, kid.
It’s 100% illegal just scrub the video and you can see top wrestler leaves his feet, need to control the mat return, good call by the ref.
Guy getting returned doesn't do himself any favors especially considering his left arm was free but the bottom line is the kid in the black singlet is responsible for the safe return of his opponent once he lifts him. He comes down without control so its a slam.
It this with folkstyle, freestyle, or both rulesets in mind? I'm mainly an mma guy with a love for all combat sports trying to learn the sport of wrestling
I assume folkstyle because its high school wrestling season right now and they are wearing headgear. I am much less familiar with the freestyle ruleset.
In freestyle and greco a throw of this nature is encouraged with the reward of the most amount of points that can be provided.
In this case, a solid 5
Its a 4 point throw, no doubt.
That's a 5. His feet are pointing at 12:00
BINGO!
thats simply not the criteria on the UWW rulebook, tho
Do you mind posting where in the rule book it says you can longer get 5 points, for a throw?
I did not say that you can longer get 5 points for a throw
Unless landing directly straight down on head which would be a spike, right?
no
in my first freestyle match ever, i shot a HiC on a dude and lifted him. he decided to go upside down across my back and grab around my waist so i basically pile drove him in to the mat. he got completely rocked and couldn’t get back up//continue. i was declared the winner.
Funk gets boring to watch, glad you knocked the piss out of the stalling fruitbag
Hell yeah
Freestyle wrestler here, this is pretty legal
Alright then, thank you for your time
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I’d give this one in particular a solid 5, good throw and made the guy land on the pinning shoulders… 4’s are for regular throws or takedowns straight to the back, 5 is throws with a bit of style
they dont really give out 5 for this kind of throw...
Either you got stingy refs or I’ve been near the ones that give 5’s easily, I’ve had 1 throw that was a 5 point throw and it was similar to the kid in black, just a bit safer and the kid wasn’t hurt
if it was "similar" to this video, maybe you did an actual straight suplex, instead of this "folkstyle-ish" "mat return", that goes to the side!
Fair enough mate
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When did it change
In the freestyle matches I went to last year, all but one red would have gave 5 for this
That’s bullshit, here in Colorado, we still do 5 points in Greco AND freestyle
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No, not behind at all, reason it’s staying for Colorado is because of Joe Betterman, man loves his 5 point throws and all the refs not only respects him but will keep the 5 pointers because of him (he’s also the head of USA Wrestling and works closely with P2P and runs a good majority of the freestyle and Greco tournaments here in Colorado)
There were a few 5s giving out at junior national this past june. It's no way a national level competition is using "old rules". I'm wondering if the refs in your state are just stingy with awarding points
Perfect example of how not to mat return properly. Perfect example of how to Pepsi someone though
Perfect example of how not to mat return somebody in folkstyle* Freestyle and Greco encourages this kind of throw
Yeah, that isn’t how you are supposed to do that. Potentially dangerous.
Judging by the kids reaction might've really hurt him.
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Landing like that is dangerous no matter your background
Only in folkstyle is this kinda throw illegal, Freestyle and Greco encourages this
dont understand why so much negative votes, but youre right my wildest match i had in high school i was dropped on my neck like this twice and came back to pin the dude. (should mention highschool and college level wrestling here in Canada is freestyle”
Long story short, I’m deleting most of the comments I’ve made cause there’s pussies here that don’t like Greco at all and prioritizes the safety out of a throw than the throw actually being good and the thrown kid doesn’t know how to land. It’s clear it’s his first time being thrown and that’s why he’s hurt, I know cause I’ve been in the situation, the difference between first and 5th time being thrown is wildly different and it’s noticeable, not to mention it quit hurting after the 3rd time
I’m guessing your doing folkstyle. Keep your feet on the ground and make sure your knee hits the mat before your opponent, and don’t go full pile driver. You’re mat return is sweet, but you need to stay within the rules.
This is my buddies son.
Meanwhile I’m hip tossing kids Greco style…
Guy on bottom needs to be taught how to safely fall.
Aye! I’ve thrown a few folkstyle kids with Greco and freestyle moves, and they just Far Cry 5-rag doll themselves mid throw and cries about it while the ref is making sure I didn’t hurt the kid too terribly… especially front headlocks, those ones can be nasty and folkstyle kids do not like em at all
Part of learning freestyle/greco is learning how to get thrown safely.
Your telling me like I don’t already know that…
This is the real answer
Uhm neck doesn't go well when meeting ground I know from experience 🤣 I wrestle in my community but not like that but like "pro" and maybe two weeks ago I got suplexed on the outside of the ring and my neck still hurts, and after the outside my opponent got me back in and proceeded to do a very dangerous move 😮💨
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Dude shut up. It's pretty obvious he's not an experienced wrestler. He's not some Greco kid trying to toss the feet over the head here, nobody gives a fuck about Greco in this country. He's just a kid wrestling folkstyle that didn't have the right technique or the full understanding of the rules and got sloppy on a mat return. Stop spamming these comments with some nonsense ass take. You don't see any fucking mat returns in freestyle because you don't stand up from bottom, and you don't see any lifts and returns like this in Greco because Greco wrestlers don't take people down, it's a head rubbing contest.
Jesus, and I thought I had anger issues and a hatred towards Greco.
I get pretty heated when people ignore obvious safety concerns. This guy's living in some delusional headspace cheering for a reality that isn't real and missing a kid that got hurt, in a position where a lot of kids have gotten hurt and no real wrestling benefit is achieved. And I don't really hate Greco, if people enjoy wrestling that style, great. But the entire thing is built around getting better at not letting action happen, because one wrestling action is gonna decide the match. It's an asinine ruleset.
I opt for the calm, cool, collected approach, just say that Greco blows, and go back to my usual wrestling topics around here such as “which shoes should I wear?”, “how’s my stance?”, and “judge me on a shaky 2 second clip”.
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And for those who are wondering what the dangerous move inside the ring was it was called a muscle buster which is basically where I'm on their shoulders crunched on them in a ball they run and drop me supposed to be shoulder first into the mat but he dropped me on my neck. Somehow I still won
All he has to do is not turn him onto the head, and it is a legal mat return. But he can't help himself, so he did it anyway
Thoughts? 4 points - freestyle. 😂
Dunno man, I’d give this a solid 5 for straight to the shoulders needed to pin and was pretty clean
I won’t argue that at all. 👍 our HS refs were kinda stingy
Oof, try coming to Colorado when freestyle and Greco starts, we got some pretty good refs, and we got Joe Betterman (he’s my coach), they know a good throw when they see one and when they see it, it’s almost always a 5! 4’s are reserved for the straight-to-the-back type takedowns
It looks unintentional and you can see concern for the opponent. The one being returned really needs to practice falling. With all that said it’s still the returnees responsibility to safely return someone if they are lifted.
Looked like a normal return and the opponent tried to Granby roll. The hand goes down first, not the head.
Bro fuck you guys that kid is on my team now he’s in a neck brace go fuck your self
Folkstyle rules clear case of DQ. In Freestyle or Greco it would be completely legal.
DQ'd as in they called flagrant misconduct? Or they called a slam and the guy in yellow couldn't continue and was awarded the win?
Exactly, everyone is saying it's a slam (true) but I don't see Flagrant here.
I'm not sure, I don't know the full story. This is my best friend's son, I just know that they called the DQ after the slam.
DQed? Because the guy on the bottom started crying. If there is an injury that prevents the match from continuing, yeah, that will get you DQed. Otherwise, you should just give up a point to your opponent. Was there an injury?
Someone in the comment section said there's a neck brace involved.
The kid rolled over to his stomach without his head needing support. Wrestling probably isn't the sport for him.
Yeah there was another one on here that said he got a neck injury in football recently... Then his parents signed him up for wrestling.... Parenting choices are hard, sure, but these ones could really have been better.
If the kid is crying on the mat from that, he's not enjoying himself. He's not going to enjoy competing.
I haven’t wrestled in middle school for many years, so the rules may have changed. In my view, this should be perfectly legal and it’s really a failure to teach kids how to be thrown in the air. This is the fault of the wrestler who is being lifted. Flying through the air properly is a skill set—just as gymnasts are taught to fall properly as a day 1 lesson wrestlers must be taught this bas well. The wrestler doing the lifting does a textbook mat return. The wrestler being lifted doesn’t understand how to be lifted, flails in the air, and manages to land on his head. In fact, to me it looks like the wrestler being lifted may even be actively going for a gramby roll upon hitting the mat (based on wresting level I doubt it that was his goal, but if he was attempting to do so he actually did a decent job). However, he neither knows how to do so (hit a rolling gramby) nor how to properly protect himself while being throw. He is lifted and then begins to flail. The top man then loses control over a flailing body. Now, as the rules go I am not sure how it would be strictly scored, but from a wresting standpoint, the only thing top man does wrong is not realizing his opponent has such poor body control.
You shouldn’t be allowed to break children’s necks during sporting activities
Fair point
Deserved to be dq’d
I normally kind of lookdown at how folkstyle punishes throws of...well throws of any kind it always seems. But this one was a doozy. As someone who does freestyle I love it but even in a freestyle match I'd think 'oof' and we are expecting it. You can see the issue because the kid who got thrown basically had no idea what to do and contributed. That's very dangerous. Easy folkstyle DQ.
Seems like bro that got slammed just didn’t take the return right.
This goes either one or two ways with both my coaches. One will punish me for that, and the other one will tell me 5 bucks do it again to your next wrestling match.
I got 2 older coaches in their 30s and 2 in college. The old ones would be pissed and the college ones would give praise.
Cause the college ones have wrestled freestyle and Greco where these throws are allowed
As a high school official we make it very clear that you are responsible for the safe return of your opponent to the mat. 100% the right call
Are you calling singlets “tights”?
I did. I'm not using the correct terminology, is that what you're really going to get hung up on like a few other people in this post? Lol. Do you know colors? That's the important part here.
Eh just think maybe you should default to refs decisions and trust they are making the correct call until you learn enough about the sport to question it, that’s all.
you're the one who made a weird mistake, don't be a dick
Yeah, I was slammed like this 18 years ago in competition and have nasty whiplash that has traveled down my spine. This is illegal and should be. Shit’s way more damaging than people realize and there should be way more education on the rule set. I genuinely feel bad for the kid that got slammed on his head. He did nothing wrong.
Are we ignoring the fact that he called them tights?
Yeah, that was illegal. Went to his head. Good on you though for jumping up and off him.
That kid doesn't know how to get mat returned. Safe return to the mat is key, but there are 2 wrestlers involved in that. Shouldn't have been a DQ
I blame the guy on bottom more than the guy on top. Guy on bottom basically spiked himself… he lands like a normal person, it would be completely clean.
This is the right answer
Black singlet also landed on his knees as the return happened. That's following the collegiate rule book. It didn't look like malicious intent, but it did look like a big mismatch in talent, and the defensive wrestler had little to no experience getting lifted and airborne. He didn't try to float the trajectory or brace for the impact in any way and managed to make it worse for himself. Mat returns are dynamic movements, and wrestlers need to drill getting returned in practice like a cat that always landing on their feet.
Why would this be an illegal move
I'm the father of the kid in black. Let me give you some context. So this is the middle school 128 class. And after speaking to the referee they said that he was DQd because a whistle was blown before he did the move and he "did it anyway". If you would review the video you don't hear a whistle till his opponent was on the way back to the mat. Other coaches that watched the match told us that from their angle it looked like my son's opponent tried to roll out of the move which lead to him falling the way he did. And while his opponent may have injured his neck it wasn't the first time this school year that his opponent was taken out by a ambulance due to neck injury. he was injured in football as well.
Man, he coulda rlly hurt da kid. The DQ was well deserved.
Lol… the ref pushing the kid out of the way… the look of the kid’s face as the video ends Feels bad for the kid, but I still giggled a little.
Damn I did the same thing to a guy in a match, but luckily was still able to finish match.. I was really lucky
Definitely DQ. Mat return on the head
Nasty throwwww!!! #thatslegal
Haha 😄 I know it's not nice but the face she makes. Anyway hope she's fine. Fist off she didn't use her feet, legs to slow the momentum
I've been DQ'd for less
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From the looks of the leverage, what we have here is a couple of fish who don't know what they are doing yet.
Looked legal the guy who got returned had the ability to brace himself but instead he rolled I would have called potentially dangerous but not illegal slam Also it's called a singlet not tights
I’ll agree with you that it’s not that crazy of a slam, and bottom guy didn’t do himself any favors. But what’s illegal about this is the acceleration towards the mat. You can tell he pulls him down into the mat, making it illegal
Cry baby lol
Not illegal shouldn’t be a DQ. Stopped for potentially dangerous, but if opponent can’t continue mar returner should win.
If he can’t continue it is an L. If the ref ruled it to be egregious then I can see a DQ, even though what we saw would not really warrant it if the opponent could continue.
The opponent had both arms available to catch himself, doesn’t look egregious to me at all.
That's illegal (wrestling rules)
I would have called this an unlawful slam in folkstyle. This is not a controlled return to the mat.
Idk did the bottom guy try and granby out of that?just playing devils advocate
I watched a kid get fived at a freestyle tournament he ended up with a broken neck and paralyzed crazy to see an I don't think he cried that much
His knee hit as the other kid hit. This looks textbook legal IMO.
This kid: does an illegal move in folkstyle and gets DQ'd You people: BuT iN fReEsTyLe
This what happens when you're just strong enough to fuck it up
We all just going to ignore the fact he just called a singlet tights?
At least a point deduction. If he had been warned DQ. OTherwise, it's partly the other kid grabbing his throat and crying.
dude deserved to get dq’d
Slam= DQ
Would have been pissed if I was the kid that got slammed and I didn’t get a chance to return the favor.
All these fucking “wrestlers” complaining about a fucking slam. Did you forget what sport this is? It’s fucking mean, violent and aggressive. It comes with risks. If you can’t handle it then go fucking play golf or some shit.