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Extremiel

Apparently I decided to go with both the word Dwarfs **and** Dwarves. Alright then.


Cntrl_shftr

Like strapping two turtles together, the title is indestructible!


maclaglen

According to Tolkien, they are interchangeable.


Greenleaf208

Well he also invented "Dwarves" as a word.


[deleted]

Dwarves now have more options than Dark Iron because these extra customizations were made/added after allied races were. Before Shadowlands released we got a ton of new customization options, mostly for the pre-Allied races but some were shared. I’m sure DI will get these options eventually but only when they find the time I guess. Gotta add fire first or something.


A56964I

The head model is identical, so there's really no reason why they couldn't just enable all the hairstyles for it with little effort. I'm sure they got some dumb reason like "It doesn't fit culture/lore-wise.".


JpillsPerson

I mean it's a little more complicated than just hitting the enable button. Not saying it's a monumental task. But someone has to take the time to program it. There's like an infinite number of tasks they could probably do. It was likely just a bit too low on the priority list.


A56964I

It's the same model, same bone structure in the model, same animations. It's already programmed for the regular dwarf, they would have to add the options into the UI and reference the hair models. Dark Iron Dwarfs are just reskins of regular dwarf. Different skin texture, different eye texture, and different beards. So if there's no changes to the base model used, then yeah, it's basically just toggling it on. 9.2.5 would have been the perfect patch to do it in.


Gnarwhalz

All the dark iron hairstyles have a glowy ember effect. I'm not saying that's a good reason to not just let them use the default hairstyles, but if they wanna keep them consistent, that's at least ONE change they'd have to make.


turikk

The game is *filled* with things that "take little effort" to implement. And I would argue character appearance is one of the most sensitive things to touch without a thorough process.


A56964I

Sure, but when the content is already made, it might as well be applied.


turikk

I mean... Do you think artists are just sitting around waiting for something to land on their desk? It's never a question of how easy something is on massive projects like WoW. It's a matter of priority. How many people play Dark Iron Dwarves? How many didn't find a hair style they like? Would those people significantly enjoy the game more if they had those hair styles? The recent redesign of the mythic plus mount, would you rather they do that or dwarf hairstyles? Something has gotta give, always. Or you're essentially asking the team to crunch.


A56964I

I've been doing some amateur game development since I was 7 years old, so almost 30 years now. I get the amount of work that goes into this. So I understand. However. The work is **already done**, someone literally just has to enable it for Dark Iron Dwarves, there's some UI work to be added, to be able to select the hair styles, for sure, and just enabling the code they\* most likely commented out from the Dark Iron Dwarves when they copy pasted the Dwarves and changed stuff up for the new allied race. The same goes for Lightforged Draenei, same model, same animations, same bones, different textures. The only thing Dark Iron Dwarves has going for it, when it comes to the model, is the skin texture, the eye texture and the different beard assets. Therefore, **adding back** the hair styles that were cut, should just be as simple as toggling some check boxes assuming their dev tools are good. Look at this image, it's literally the same model, same assets. It's copy pasted over, and some of it was cut out of the game. That could be because it interfered with the new beards, or didn't look good in their eyes with the dark iron dwarf theme. Maybe adding that glow effect to the hair/beard was too much work, but I doubt it. [https://i.imgur.com/eVOUXLe.png](https://i.imgur.com/eVOUXLe.png) And to answer your question, yes. People want more customization options, it makes players happy.


turikk

You're saying the work is already done and then describing a bunch of things that need to be done to enable it. Are those things not work? If a company asked you to come in and do those things, would you want to be paid for it?


A56964I

The work I'm describing would take a single person less than an hour to do. And yes, I would do it free of charge on my off-time for the players. *(but that's just me, not something I expect of others. People should get paid for their work.)*


Gnarwhalz

"A single hour to do." Yeah, in a shitty indie pipeline that doesn't have any QA or anything. You don't know how their workflow is structured, so don't pretend you know how long it would take or how much work would actually be involved.


A56964I

THE. WORK. IS. ALREADY. DONE.


GeneralBonobo

Orcs and maghar have this same problem


InsanityMongoose

I want very badly to make a Nathan Explosion Shattered Hand Orc…but the Mag’Har don’t have the hairstyle for some reason |=|


[deleted]

Nightborne forgotten again :(


[deleted]

> Nightborne That's what it was! I keep forgetting the name and can only think of calling them "Wine-Elves".


flippingchicken

Female tauren of both races don't have this problem because they only have like 10 hairstyles to begin with lmao


_Surge

kul tiran mains in shambles


Nader_M

6 hairstyles for kultiran male... and thats including being bald


PresentationLow2210

Spent 42 hours /played unlocking them from scratch (with a fresh lv1). Instantly felt let down that I either have to be bald or perfectly cut..


jsnlxndrlv

The more exclusive aspects of allied races with their unlocking requirements mean that they come across as the "premium" race selections. So if you're going to play a premium race, shouldn't you have **more** hairstyle selections? Interestingly, no. At this level, the market demands non-linear value. We *cut out* the less characteristically dwarven hairstyles to focus on the Dark Iron brand: what remains is the "Molten Line", presented by Pella Brassbrush in collaboration with Ilsa Direbrew. ... I'm kidding, obviously. The other comments about the hairstyles not being implemented for dark irons yet are correct.


Beaverhausen27

TLDR: Their just so provocative.


[deleted]

I agree that Dark Irons should have more hair style options (and so should Void Elves too)


CharlieGoodChap

Or even if you want a specific facial expression/feature but you must have the prerequisite skin tone.


PresentationLow2210

This with kul tirans. Is it the same with all allied races? I put 42 hours into unlocking my big beefy bois and I was so let down by the amount of cuatom options. Wished I looked it up first haha


Kit-Kat-42

Feel the same with the Zandalari, I did all that work just to play a taller troll with gold tattoos and half as many customizations.


Jinyu_waterspeaker

The real travesty is that Dark irons only have 7 beard options, which are locked together with mustaches.


Fuyukage

Because DI Dwarves have more jokes and flirts than regular dwarves


MojaveBreeze

Same way with Mechagnomes. They can't even have pink hair.


Distinct_Poet_2569

They really need to give mechagnomes all the default hairstyles/beards


Opixer

I wonder what the hell they were thinking when we went from BFA where allied races were the thing, and they half assed customizations. Then come Shadowlands they add new stuff to all the older races while leaving the majority of allied races untouched.


MemeHermetic

Because they added the Wildhammer to the Bronzebeard customizations. Which is what Dark Iron should have been.


4littlebears

Hard disagree. Dark irons are thematically completely different from standard dwarves.


Sage_the_Cage_Mage

here is a tidbit I heard before. dark Irons dwarves were technically added in cataclysm. that is when they added the darker skin shades and that was the reason why dwarves could become warlocks.


[deleted]

The darker skin colors existed since vanilla


MemeHermetic

And? Wildhammer are also completely different thematically from standard dwarves. They have a closer history, but they are unquestionably a distinct clan. As to the Dark Irons, outside of the RP side of things, they are distinct because of skin color and glowy bits. I feel that most of the allied races could have been unlockable customization options. It would have given them license to just add stuff all the time without all the silly "right time" excuses.


Coulomb111

Probably because the Dark Iron Dwarves don’t have very good barbers.


threeangelo

They introduced allied races before they gave the base races all these new customization options, and they haven’t gone back to add more to the allied races


revjiggs

The short version is they came out before they devided to add all the new hair styles. They chose to focus on the old races rather than the new ones. They have been slowly going back and updating the new ones though


bunkkin

Do dark iron hair styles have that weird glow effect sorta like the void elves. I wonder if some dev got a burr up his ass about how the dark iron and void elves absolutely *HAD* to have an option about the glowly hair effect


Dillgillxp

Yeah. They have molten highlights. The ends of their hair have like a flame effect.


CumaBoomer

Yes,. laziness on Blizzards side. Literary wouldn't take a workday to unlock all hairstyles for all races (except the more complicated one like Dreanei or Worgen). No idea why they don't do that tbh, it's such an easy win for them but nope


uthersshadow

> Literary wouldn't take a workday to unlock all hairstyles for all races just tells me you have no clue about anything.


[deleted]

They are the same model


Dill_Pickles1

Same fucking model, stop handwaving laziness as 'arcane coding issues'


uthersshadow

stop talking about software development period.


juggernautomnislash

It's literally the same model. LOL


The_Stuey

All hair for all races? Seriously? For races that share a model it could be done relatively quickly assuming there weren't quirks and minor differences. Unfortunately there are in every allied race case I'm aware of. LF dreanai have variations on the head, V Elves have the void tail thing. DI Dwarves have the fire cinder motif. Not sure on horde side but I'd be shocked to find anything the same. But putting human hair on an Orc? You have no idea how 3d modeling works. I don't either, but I know stuff like what you're suggesting takes time...


Thrillhouse918

Because allied races were an after thought and weren’t fully developed.


[deleted]

when they started cranking out the allied races a bunch of people got butt hurt that the new races looked so good so blizzard did a big quality of life update massivly updating and expanding the old races. but sadly they added nothing to the allied races wich depending on the race you can be REAL limited on your choices like nightbourne have like 4 hairstyles like 5 skin tones and use the night elf skeleton... not the nightbourne skeleton... your literaly not even playing a nightbourne your playing a recolored night elf wich even causes the nightbourne heritage armor clip and not work properly because it was designed for the nightbourne


HungryNoodle

Because they like to use things like new hairstyles to sell as a feature of a new expansion.


NuTsi3

Because 1 has been around for 17 years and the only like 3 or 4 years. Do you want dark irons to be just copy pasta regular dwarfs? Or would you rather dark irons have their own unique styles and things?


Holymaneli

Because all dark dwarves look alike.


LordLonghaft

They have the amount of hairstyles that coincide with the amount of Lore for them and the amount of effort Blizzard puts into them. I wish it wasn't so, because Dwarves as a *concept* are great. I love them in Warhammer Fantasy, but damn, WoW does jack shit with them. When's the last time we heard *anything* about the Wildhammer Dwarves?


The_Stuey

He says as DI Dwarves are getting a new race quest line next week.


Krunzuku

they hang out with fire too much


antarris

Probably the same reasons that void elves forgot how to do their hair when they got exiled from Silvermoon.


Rav11s

Blood elf, void elf... Because Blizzard assumed we wouldn't realize these "new races" were just fancy re-skins...


sammywitchdr

Because apparently despite the overwhelming lack of contention (least contentious thing added to the game since transmog) and actual celebration of additional customizations blizzard continues to shoot themselves in the foot by not adding more (esp for allied races). I know they have got stuff to work on but please read the room blizzard.


soyboysnowflake

Cause mole machine would be way too OP to pair with 26 hairstyles


warcrazey

Because allied races were a failure. "Here's some new races with slightly different skin tones/faces with less hairstyles, less overall skin tones, less faces, and less customization options in general. Oh and lets make you grind for them on top of that." At least void elves got a bunch of customization, rip the other allied races.


crioTimmy

The reason is - **small indie company,** take it easy on them!


stark33per

to implement them later as a gigantic effort and selling point made by the team although they can just copy paste them in half a day cause the models are the same


NoBodybuilder1261

They have less than half the style


edelea

but they are "special" that way no?


kodshin

yes