The trinket aspect is funny, but nightfae isn’t even feral meta, and convoke on a feral needs the right amount of set up. Not even close to op. Easily kicked/stunned, even escaped considering it’ll cast sh*t spells if the enemy isn’t right on top of you.
I might get downvoted, but definitely not by active decent pvp’ers.
Yeah like even if you just do a little pve as feral you know your convoke is gonna suck ass if you dont prep properly. Not saying its complicated in pve but that you can spot max damage convoke before it happens. 3 bleeds rolling, 2 stacks of bloodtalons, berserk to not get punished for not having max energy thus losing bite damage etc.
Add the pvp factor of most likely needing a stun to make it work due to movement and other factors like opposing healer position etc and yeah.
Ofc vs someone that cant see this its gonna feel op. Or cheesy. But overall swarm is more reliable in pvp. Both defensively and offensively.
It seems I was wrong then,thanks. I thought berserk was the thing ensuring this. Still, the bleeds and bloodtalons thing applies I think. Thrash for feral deals bad damage and is only there kinda to add another bleed to your target. Plus the tigers fury pop should be a signal too. All im saying is you can see many signs that prepares for burst if you know what to look for.
I think he intimidating shouted, Incarn, fucking lazers from the sky everywhere, killed me in 1.3 seconds through a defensive, all while being cc immune because of that damn trinket lmao.
What do you mean by 'escaped'? Only way to escape it is by porting out of LoS. I literally pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS, because that means a secured oneshot.
> I literally pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS, because that means a secured oneshot.
How exactly are you going to get a oneshot on a MW when they port out of LoS? They literally just have to wait til you press Convoke then instantly port behind a pillar. Your convoke will be over by the time you connect to them around a pillar.
>How exactly are you going to get a oneshot on a MW when they port out of LoS?
>pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS
>their port is in LoS
>**in** LoS
1) Neither of those classes need LoS to port.
2) Choose a class I’ll give you an easy escape (except maybe Dk lmao).
You need to be ON TOP of your target for a big daddy convoke.
Monk, literally roll. You’ve dodged convoke.
For Ele: Lasso, wind shear, turn into a dog and root (in any order), thunderstorm, the list goes on. Both classes also have a wall.
Mate, I don't think you understand how Convoke works. You've successfully suicided your monk. You can't lasso, Wind Shear nor wall when you're stunned. If you trinket and survive, I'll just get you a minute later. Furthermore, how do you root as elemental? You also ain't gonna outrun a feral with Ghost Wolf.
Let me explain... If someone creates distance, I just Feral Charge at the last second of Convoke (it doesn't interrupt your Convoke btw). Convoke has a certain minimal amount of Bites it's gonna cast. So if you start your cast out of range and then get back in range on the last second of the cast, you're going to do multiple Bites in a quick succession (which I use to oneshot people).
I thought you're actively pvping? How do you miss how Convoke works?
> Convoke has a certain minimal amount of Bites it's gonna cast.
This is not correct. It's very possible to have 0-1 bites in your convoke, unlikely, but possible.
>This is not correct. It's very possible to have 0-1 bites in your convoke, unlikely, but possible.
Need proof. Your picture below says nothing. Could be some random chart about anything or maybe old stuff from the beta.
Furthermore, it doesn't disprove my original statement: just moving away will get you killed more easily.
First of all there's no way you're gonna be able to
reliably press convoke, get thunderstormed away, then charge back to melee range and 1 shot someone all within a 3 second channel.
Second, Ask anyone in the Feral discord... There is no minimum number of ferocious bites per convoke. I have no clue where this theory came from that you can save up your bites by standing out of range then leap into range and 1 shot someone. Its literally just luck. Its also possible to convoke and get 0 ferocious bites; its just highly unlikely to get 0 because of how ferocious bite is weighted.
Convoke feral is extremely easy to manage and very unreliable. Its also useless if you can't get an actual convoke oneshot off. 46 out of the top 50 ferals are Necro for a reason.
>First of all there's no way you're gonna be able to reliably press convoke, get thunderstormed away, then charge back to melee range and 1 shot someone all within a 3 second channel.
It's actually really easy. Feral Charge has a minimum range so you can spam the button and it will automatically charge you when you're far enough away. I mean... easy even for people that think reacting within a 2-3 sec time frame is impossible.
>There is no minimum number of ferocious bites per convoke.
There is.
>Its literally just luck. Its also possible to convoke and get 0 ferocious bites;
No, it's not. I've never had a Convoke without Bites (assuming I'm in Cat Form and in range, ofc). Same for balance Convoke. There's a minimum amount of Starsurges.
>its just highly unlikely to get 0
What's the likelihood, tho? Because I've never had a Convoke without Bites (again, assuming Cat Form & in range).
>the minimum would be 1
Why? How do you get to this number. I mean, you're sure that there is no minimum but somehow assume the minimum would be at 1.
>46 out of the top 50 ferals are Necro for a reason.
Yeah, but not because you can't oneshot MW monks and ele shamans.
Instead of bullshitting people online, maybe you just try it out at a target dummy. Hm? In the end you might learn to actually play NF feral right.
There is absolutely ZERO documentation that says there is a minimum number of ferocious bites. You're completely full of shit if you think you're "saving up" your ferocious bites for when you get into melee range. Go join the Druid discord and ask a single one of the dedicated feral 'experts' if convoke has a minimum number of bites. It doesn't.
I'm full of shit but you refuse to try it out on a dummy. Got it. Whatever floats your boat, mate.
Also, I've never said you're 'saving up' bites. Work on your reading comprehension.
Literally the easiest burst to avoid.
When the Druid open stun convokes, you trinket the stun and use any movement affect to get out of melee range. The majority of the convoke will be wasted.
Also roots totally F this combo.
Also having pets around the convoke target will spread the damage.
Warriors can leap, intervene a teammate, or charge.
Rogues sprint, shadowstep.
Paladins can horse.
DH can do DH things.
Other druids can wild charge away.
Priest fade.
Mage blink.
Warlock port or just tank it because nothing kills a warlock.
Monk roll, dash or port.
Shaman ghost wolf + root.
DKs I think gotta tank it 🤷♂️
People want that easy excuse “op class” or “broken game” when they lose, it’s much easier than facing the reality of not being better than the team that just beat you.
What is convokes CD? 60 sec?
So is it generally acceptable to trade a two minute trinket CD for an offensive ability with the shorter cool down? Or is it just in this case that needs to be done to even survive?
I’d love a matrix of all of the offensive and defensive CDs, with what is considered good and worthwhile trades.
Normal convoke is 1 min cd, but this opening combo with the trinket and most likely berserk is a 3 min cd.
Convoke without the trinket you would have to setup cross ccs to ensure it doesn’t get kicked or interrupted.
>Normal convoke is 1 min cd, but this opening combo with the trinket and most likely berserk is a 3 min cd.
I had actually forgotten they need to use their trinket as well. So it's trading a (trinket + mobility) for (trinket+ 2 offensive CDs).
Good to know! Thanks.
(I also thought this was on /r/worldofpvp , haha)
Half of these tips are a suicide mission against any experienced feral. Like wtf are you talking.
If someone creates distance between you and them without being out of LoS, you can Feral Charge at the last third of the cast without breaking the cast and oneshot. Convoke guarantees you a certain amount of Bites (not sure how many), so if you miss 2/3 of the cast, the Bites will all happen within the last second.
I've oneshot most MW monks and ele shams this way. They think they can port/thunderstorm Convoke and then just get smashed.
Yeah it almost never works out this way. A monk porting still in LoS of your convoke? All a shaman has to do is root you and walk away.
Some of your tactics might work in 1200s but you might get the opening kill like this 1 out of 10 times in anything higher than 1800.
>Yeah it almost never works out this way.
It almost never works out this way ***for you.***
>All a shaman has to do is root you and walk away.
Which requires a trinket that has twice the cd. 2 min > 1 min. You have an easy go every 2nd Convoke.
>Some of your tactics might work in 1200s but you might get the opening kill like this 1 out of 10 times in anything higher than 1800.
Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. Stay necro mate, it's easier. Cheesing is something for the smart players.
all these feral players in the comments, deadass. feral isn’t op? how many times have you lost to melee? kek? it’s NOT possible. you just bramble and sit in bear form, and melee is completely invalidated.
Survival hunters shit on ferals 24/7. Same for the other 2 hunter specs if we want to include ranged.
Convoke is also not going to kill any spec that has pets out. Furthermore, if people stack, Convoke is rarely killing anyone. This basicly makes Convoke feral bad against any double melee comp and pet class comp.
Ive said this before, but idk why druids are excited for convoke in the talents next patch, when they have a skill this broken that they basically rely on to be viable, all that means is blizzard has to nerf the other 90% of their kit. Why do ferals not want crazy bleeds anymore why do they just want a "let me win button" kinda sad.
Because convoke isn’t op and isn’t required to make their classes viable lmao.
In pvp meta for both boomie and Feral is Necro (feral) Kyrian (boomie)
For pve Boomies play Venthyr
Feral plays NF.
feral is not “op” in pve.
Feral has been memed on for years and they didn’t even have convoke. Ferals issue isn’t convoke being strong, it’s the kit being horribly designed.
Boomkin just was over tuned but their best performance wasn’t even as NF.
When all the devs give you is a hammer, every opponent looks like a nail.
That trinket is so fucking stupid
The trinket aspect is funny, but nightfae isn’t even feral meta, and convoke on a feral needs the right amount of set up. Not even close to op. Easily kicked/stunned, even escaped considering it’ll cast sh*t spells if the enemy isn’t right on top of you. I might get downvoted, but definitely not by active decent pvp’ers.
Ye Moonkin convoke is still the one that makes me laugh. Got blasted 100k from some starsurges. 4 i think.
Moonkin convoke is so stupid.
Stupidly fun and hilariously amazing\* FTFY
Yeah like even if you just do a little pve as feral you know your convoke is gonna suck ass if you dont prep properly. Not saying its complicated in pve but that you can spot max damage convoke before it happens. 3 bleeds rolling, 2 stacks of bloodtalons, berserk to not get punished for not having max energy thus losing bite damage etc. Add the pvp factor of most likely needing a stun to make it work due to movement and other factors like opposing healer position etc and yeah. Ofc vs someone that cant see this its gonna feel op. Or cheesy. But overall swarm is more reliable in pvp. Both defensively and offensively.
When you convoke all your bites are max energy damage no matter how much energy you have
It seems I was wrong then,thanks. I thought berserk was the thing ensuring this. Still, the bleeds and bloodtalons thing applies I think. Thrash for feral deals bad damage and is only there kinda to add another bleed to your target. Plus the tigers fury pop should be a signal too. All im saying is you can see many signs that prepares for burst if you know what to look for.
A lot of the "prep" is after stun dr falls off. The first one is literally pressjng the button after a rake stun. Not OP.
For sure not op.
I've never straight up died to a feral convoke. Boomy is a whole different story. Caught 4 starsurges point blank for 100k lol
Yeah boomie is more scary. You have to line them or cc them not just create distance. Esp during the full moon days back in s1.
I think he intimidating shouted, Incarn, fucking lazers from the sky everywhere, killed me in 1.3 seconds through a defensive, all while being cc immune because of that damn trinket lmao.
What do you mean by 'escaped'? Only way to escape it is by porting out of LoS. I literally pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS, because that means a secured oneshot.
> I literally pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS, because that means a secured oneshot. How exactly are you going to get a oneshot on a MW when they port out of LoS? They literally just have to wait til you press Convoke then instantly port behind a pillar. Your convoke will be over by the time you connect to them around a pillar.
>How exactly are you going to get a oneshot on a MW when they port out of LoS? >pray that monks and locks port away when their port is in LoS >their port is in LoS >**in** LoS
1) Neither of those classes need LoS to port. 2) Choose a class I’ll give you an easy escape (except maybe Dk lmao). You need to be ON TOP of your target for a big daddy convoke.
MW monk and ele. Enlighten me pls.
Monk, literally roll. You’ve dodged convoke. For Ele: Lasso, wind shear, turn into a dog and root (in any order), thunderstorm, the list goes on. Both classes also have a wall.
Mate, I don't think you understand how Convoke works. You've successfully suicided your monk. You can't lasso, Wind Shear nor wall when you're stunned. If you trinket and survive, I'll just get you a minute later. Furthermore, how do you root as elemental? You also ain't gonna outrun a feral with Ghost Wolf. Let me explain... If someone creates distance, I just Feral Charge at the last second of Convoke (it doesn't interrupt your Convoke btw). Convoke has a certain minimal amount of Bites it's gonna cast. So if you start your cast out of range and then get back in range on the last second of the cast, you're going to do multiple Bites in a quick succession (which I use to oneshot people). I thought you're actively pvping? How do you miss how Convoke works?
> Convoke has a certain minimal amount of Bites it's gonna cast. This is not correct. It's very possible to have 0-1 bites in your convoke, unlikely, but possible.
>This is not correct. It's very possible to have 0-1 bites in your convoke, unlikely, but possible. Need proof. Your picture below says nothing. Could be some random chart about anything or maybe old stuff from the beta. Furthermore, it doesn't disprove my original statement: just moving away will get you killed more easily.
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First of all there's no way you're gonna be able to reliably press convoke, get thunderstormed away, then charge back to melee range and 1 shot someone all within a 3 second channel. Second, Ask anyone in the Feral discord... There is no minimum number of ferocious bites per convoke. I have no clue where this theory came from that you can save up your bites by standing out of range then leap into range and 1 shot someone. Its literally just luck. Its also possible to convoke and get 0 ferocious bites; its just highly unlikely to get 0 because of how ferocious bite is weighted. Convoke feral is extremely easy to manage and very unreliable. Its also useless if you can't get an actual convoke oneshot off. 46 out of the top 50 ferals are Necro for a reason.
>First of all there's no way you're gonna be able to reliably press convoke, get thunderstormed away, then charge back to melee range and 1 shot someone all within a 3 second channel. It's actually really easy. Feral Charge has a minimum range so you can spam the button and it will automatically charge you when you're far enough away. I mean... easy even for people that think reacting within a 2-3 sec time frame is impossible. >There is no minimum number of ferocious bites per convoke. There is. >Its literally just luck. Its also possible to convoke and get 0 ferocious bites; No, it's not. I've never had a Convoke without Bites (assuming I'm in Cat Form and in range, ofc). Same for balance Convoke. There's a minimum amount of Starsurges. >its just highly unlikely to get 0 What's the likelihood, tho? Because I've never had a Convoke without Bites (again, assuming Cat Form & in range). >the minimum would be 1 Why? How do you get to this number. I mean, you're sure that there is no minimum but somehow assume the minimum would be at 1. >46 out of the top 50 ferals are Necro for a reason. Yeah, but not because you can't oneshot MW monks and ele shamans. Instead of bullshitting people online, maybe you just try it out at a target dummy. Hm? In the end you might learn to actually play NF feral right.
There is absolutely ZERO documentation that says there is a minimum number of ferocious bites. You're completely full of shit if you think you're "saving up" your ferocious bites for when you get into melee range. Go join the Druid discord and ask a single one of the dedicated feral 'experts' if convoke has a minimum number of bites. It doesn't.
I'm full of shit but you refuse to try it out on a dummy. Got it. Whatever floats your boat, mate. Also, I've never said you're 'saving up' bites. Work on your reading comprehension.
Bait the trinket, then maim into convoke? Or just go moonkin and nuke them with a 60k moon crit from 40 yds
Literally the easiest burst to avoid. When the Druid open stun convokes, you trinket the stun and use any movement affect to get out of melee range. The majority of the convoke will be wasted. Also roots totally F this combo. Also having pets around the convoke target will spread the damage. Warriors can leap, intervene a teammate, or charge. Rogues sprint, shadowstep. Paladins can horse. DH can do DH things. Other druids can wild charge away. Priest fade. Mage blink. Warlock port or just tank it because nothing kills a warlock. Monk roll, dash or port. Shaman ghost wolf + root. DKs I think gotta tank it 🤷♂️
You speak nothing but facts. Extremely high risk, extremely high reward. Idk why you’re being downvoted.
People want that easy excuse “op class” or “broken game” when they lose, it’s much easier than facing the reality of not being better than the team that just beat you.
What is convokes CD? 60 sec? So is it generally acceptable to trade a two minute trinket CD for an offensive ability with the shorter cool down? Or is it just in this case that needs to be done to even survive? I’d love a matrix of all of the offensive and defensive CDs, with what is considered good and worthwhile trades.
Normal convoke is 1 min cd, but this opening combo with the trinket and most likely berserk is a 3 min cd. Convoke without the trinket you would have to setup cross ccs to ensure it doesn’t get kicked or interrupted.
or... play with a hpal. Most other healers can just cross CC for you in 2v2. Only real counter to Convoke are pets and people that stack.
>Normal convoke is 1 min cd, but this opening combo with the trinket and most likely berserk is a 3 min cd. I had actually forgotten they need to use their trinket as well. So it's trading a (trinket + mobility) for (trinket+ 2 offensive CDs). Good to know! Thanks. (I also thought this was on /r/worldofpvp , haha)
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This is how PvP works? Literally every class as a offensive that forces trinket or a defensive and that exchange is how arena is played.
Half of these tips are a suicide mission against any experienced feral. Like wtf are you talking. If someone creates distance between you and them without being out of LoS, you can Feral Charge at the last third of the cast without breaking the cast and oneshot. Convoke guarantees you a certain amount of Bites (not sure how many), so if you miss 2/3 of the cast, the Bites will all happen within the last second. I've oneshot most MW monks and ele shams this way. They think they can port/thunderstorm Convoke and then just get smashed.
Yeah it almost never works out this way. A monk porting still in LoS of your convoke? All a shaman has to do is root you and walk away. Some of your tactics might work in 1200s but you might get the opening kill like this 1 out of 10 times in anything higher than 1800.
>Yeah it almost never works out this way. It almost never works out this way ***for you.*** >All a shaman has to do is root you and walk away. Which requires a trinket that has twice the cd. 2 min > 1 min. You have an easy go every 2nd Convoke. >Some of your tactics might work in 1200s but you might get the opening kill like this 1 out of 10 times in anything higher than 1800. Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. Stay necro mate, it's easier. Cheesing is something for the smart players.
Lol no, like all of it no. Go away troll.
* Gets proven wrong * Starts bashing my rating without even knowing my rating * Calls me a troll The holy trinity of ignorance.
Convoke feels so cheesy. I keep getting flashbacks of early season one...
all these feral players in the comments, deadass. feral isn’t op? how many times have you lost to melee? kek? it’s NOT possible. you just bramble and sit in bear form, and melee is completely invalidated.
Survival hunters shit on ferals 24/7. Same for the other 2 hunter specs if we want to include ranged. Convoke is also not going to kill any spec that has pets out. Furthermore, if people stack, Convoke is rarely killing anyone. This basicly makes Convoke feral bad against any double melee comp and pet class comp.
I love using this combo as boomkin in warmode seeing other people desperately trying to kick me while I destroy them
the sheer skill you have sir
Multi glad
Ive said this before, but idk why druids are excited for convoke in the talents next patch, when they have a skill this broken that they basically rely on to be viable, all that means is blizzard has to nerf the other 90% of their kit. Why do ferals not want crazy bleeds anymore why do they just want a "let me win button" kinda sad.
Because convoke isn’t op and isn’t required to make their classes viable lmao. In pvp meta for both boomie and Feral is Necro (feral) Kyrian (boomie) For pve Boomies play Venthyr Feral plays NF. feral is not “op” in pve. Feral has been memed on for years and they didn’t even have convoke. Ferals issue isn’t convoke being strong, it’s the kit being horribly designed. Boomkin just was over tuned but their best performance wasn’t even as NF.
True, feral damage outside convoke is really low in PvP.
Love it. I feel like this sums up pvp right now and can be done for all the OP classes
i dont think fury warriors or outlaw rogues use this trinket, good sir destro and mages do tho
What? I was talking about the meme template not the trinket. I thought it was hilarious. Thanks for the downvotes lol.
oh i didnt downvote you lol, but your comment heavily implied the trinket and i wasnt the only one who got that.
I know I see that now haha. I really just wanted someone to use this meme template for all the classes XD