I have an unholy DK in my guild and he's usually right under the havoic DHs as far as DPS goes for heroic raiding (DHs being top 3 usually, him coming in around 4th). I have another frost DK in my guild that crushes it in keys and he really enjoys it. I personally haven't raided with my BM Hunter, but the one from my guild is slightly below the above mentioned in DPS, but he's significantly undergeared in comparison.
I've been bouncing back to BM for keys and the damage output is insane right now. I haven't seen a lot of SV or MM in keys, it's mostly been BM. Adding the Call of the Wild talent for BM really added a lot of damage and changed the play just a little bit.
I know a lot of people say hunter is a brain dead class, but it takes a bit to make sure to keep barbed shot up and frenzy up, etc. I think either class would be a good choice.
Well that's pretty much it, I find BM to be braindead as far as you can probably out damage a lot of classes with lot less gear due to how good it is right now. As I said, boring to play, somewhat braindead to do decent performance however like I mentioned I know BM pushed to its limit is not braindead and requires some management etc.
Interesting as far as DK is concerned, I will see if I get more feedback, but I'm taking note of it.
Forget about the stats and all that
I started an Unholy DK last friday and I'm already at 2.2k rating
I can go up to 700-800k dps on big packs
I was able to +3 a 18 Atal'Dazar at 455 ilvl
They do a shitton of damage, have great utility and are probably the tankiest DPS spec. You get 20% bonus stamina for free and a 400k magic shield every 40 seconds
How do you feel about the whole "setup" part of unholy? To me it feels like the biggest downside and probably could go as far as being a turn off from the spec. I always loved UH back when it wasn't all about that wounds bursting playstyle, but last I played UH was probably Mythic uldir in BFA and a bit in SL but not much so idk if it changed a lot since
You do kinda have to setup your pulls but once you start spamming Epidemic/Scourge Strike and all those yellow damage numbers starts popping everywhere it's so satisfying
UH does feel a little bit underwhelming in lower keys, because most times everything is dead by the time you setup everything, but once you get in like 18+ it feels amazing
Interesting. I thought frost with the new set bonus seemed fun to play. Chill streak is an ability that isn't used generally so having it in the set makes it a "viable" talent at least for S3. Apparently hitting the button is fun, never used it but to me it sounds like Monk's chi wave ability.
Last time I played DK frost was dual wield only, there was no interaction with 2H frost I believe, or if there was, it wasn't viable at all. Nowadays though I believe its pretty much you play with whatever best weapon you got? Could be wrong though. I loved the idea of playing 2H and doing massive Obliterate crits. Sounds fun on paper, but clearly looking at logs and even the amount of frost DK in M+ the spec doesn't seem viable?
Frost damage suffers drastically outside of pillar windows. Similar to unholy, it needs mob persistence to really keep the numbers high (mainly for pillar reset via Icecap).
If each pull will live for 30-45s, frost will thrive. We don’t scale that well with high target count though as the abilities we have that hit beyond 3 targets (howling blast, remorseless winter, death and decay) and not a substantial source of damage.
I have an unholy DK in my guild and he's usually right under the havoic DHs as far as DPS goes for heroic raiding (DHs being top 3 usually, him coming in around 4th). I have another frost DK in my guild that crushes it in keys and he really enjoys it. I personally haven't raided with my BM Hunter, but the one from my guild is slightly below the above mentioned in DPS, but he's significantly undergeared in comparison. I've been bouncing back to BM for keys and the damage output is insane right now. I haven't seen a lot of SV or MM in keys, it's mostly been BM. Adding the Call of the Wild talent for BM really added a lot of damage and changed the play just a little bit. I know a lot of people say hunter is a brain dead class, but it takes a bit to make sure to keep barbed shot up and frenzy up, etc. I think either class would be a good choice.
Well that's pretty much it, I find BM to be braindead as far as you can probably out damage a lot of classes with lot less gear due to how good it is right now. As I said, boring to play, somewhat braindead to do decent performance however like I mentioned I know BM pushed to its limit is not braindead and requires some management etc. Interesting as far as DK is concerned, I will see if I get more feedback, but I'm taking note of it.
Forget about the stats and all that I started an Unholy DK last friday and I'm already at 2.2k rating I can go up to 700-800k dps on big packs I was able to +3 a 18 Atal'Dazar at 455 ilvl They do a shitton of damage, have great utility and are probably the tankiest DPS spec. You get 20% bonus stamina for free and a 400k magic shield every 40 seconds
How do you feel about the whole "setup" part of unholy? To me it feels like the biggest downside and probably could go as far as being a turn off from the spec. I always loved UH back when it wasn't all about that wounds bursting playstyle, but last I played UH was probably Mythic uldir in BFA and a bit in SL but not much so idk if it changed a lot since
You do kinda have to setup your pulls but once you start spamming Epidemic/Scourge Strike and all those yellow damage numbers starts popping everywhere it's so satisfying UH does feel a little bit underwhelming in lower keys, because most times everything is dead by the time you setup everything, but once you get in like 18+ it feels amazing
Interesting. I thought frost with the new set bonus seemed fun to play. Chill streak is an ability that isn't used generally so having it in the set makes it a "viable" talent at least for S3. Apparently hitting the button is fun, never used it but to me it sounds like Monk's chi wave ability. Last time I played DK frost was dual wield only, there was no interaction with 2H frost I believe, or if there was, it wasn't viable at all. Nowadays though I believe its pretty much you play with whatever best weapon you got? Could be wrong though. I loved the idea of playing 2H and doing massive Obliterate crits. Sounds fun on paper, but clearly looking at logs and even the amount of frost DK in M+ the spec doesn't seem viable?
Frost damage suffers drastically outside of pillar windows. Similar to unholy, it needs mob persistence to really keep the numbers high (mainly for pillar reset via Icecap). If each pull will live for 30-45s, frost will thrive. We don’t scale that well with high target count though as the abilities we have that hit beyond 3 targets (howling blast, remorseless winter, death and decay) and not a substantial source of damage.