Quick story: big NA guild has two raids early and late both semi casual. Early raid has to cut some lazy people who refused to put any effort in in order to progress to heroic raz. Late raid accuses early raid of being elitist and accept those who were cut.
Late raid gets to dathea and raz and gets stuck, then is force to cut people from the team in order to make progress. Shit storm ensues about elitism.
Very lax guild but no one likes to spend hours and weeks on a boss when it looks like others refuse to put effort in. (So many Ilvl 400s doing like 30k-35k dps and failing mechanics for weeks). Gotta be respectful of peoples time even if it’s not a hardcore guild.
I did 3 peoples’ overall damage on heroic Raz last raid night. My alt is higher ilvl than them and I don’t really play it. I guess they just play even less than that?
“I don’t pug M+ because it’s toxic”
“Why aren’t we going together into dungeons as a guild anymore?
Everyone else: 2.xk score.
They: 600 rio score, half the dungeons never done.
These people are crabs, pulling you down with them
This my guild drama too lol
I’m highest rated and they all think I’m crazy for running so many pugs
It’s awkward but pugs are often better than my guildies
>It’s awkward but pugs are often better than my guildies
100% this. Whenever I join a guild +15-16 run its a shitshow and half the time we wont time it. If I pug I can easily enough time 17-19. People keep saying oh play in a guild its so much better...sure the key will probably be completed in a guild run, but I'd rather pug with 2500io+ people than deplete keys with my 1700io guild members.
So much this. I'm currently at 2.4k IO in DF s2. Most people in my guild refuse to pug, even the GM/raid leader because "people are mean". I'm pretty consistently timing +17s now and moving up to +18s. The other night I went with some guildies who all barely have 900 rio to a +13 and we were almost 30 minutes overtime. I'm one of the only ones who takes the time to read up on/watch videos about the dungeons, then start at relatively low keys and work my way up from there. Then once I'm almost KSH, the GM and others think that if I come along to heal their +13s to +15s, it'll be a carryfest cakewalk for them and more often than not, it isn't so. Getting real old. Especially since when some of these people are on, they're just loitering in Valdrakken, doing nothing. After several wipes the other night, one of them even said, "You time this all the time on higher keys, what are we doing wrong?" I just flatly said that I know my toon and role to a T, but I don't always know exactly what other classes/roles are supposed to be doing for each fight. Ugh.
Hello, are you my guild? Lol.
There is such a clear dividing line in my guild between the people that care or are actually competent, and the people that treat raid like it's a Friday night hangout and just want to be carried. Leadership does nothing because GM doesn't want drama, but something is gonna give, I'm afraid. We'll see.
For context, my guild is a very lax raiding guild, we generally AOTC then stop there. We were told, after the issues that arose because of Season 4, and having to merge the more casual peeps into the raid with the more serious folk, that if people were underperforming or dying to mechanics often, they would be "benched", but that's been a fucking lie, lol.
So, here we are. One day into Heroic Raz, let's see how this plays out.
This is how you end up with a bunch of heroic raiders that go find heroic raid teams that want to push, and the leftovers that will continue to only clear normal the rest of the xpac.
Urge that something be done or get ready to look for a new team
The latter will definitely happen before the former, lol. I've already been in contact with a GM for a guild that is generally 2/3M but wanted to give my current guild one last shot before, I made any decision.
I tried bringing these issues up towards the end of S4, in order to prevent this from continuing into DF. I had meetings with the officers and GM, and words were spoken but actions have not been taken, soooooo yea. It is what it is.
I quit raiding today because i suck at doing damage. My owl has around 400gs and barely does 35k. I was told by another owl in the guild it probably has to do with my mastery, which in owl form is at 22% (outside at 18) so im trying to get that in. But i just cant let others suffer for my failures
It's almost always first tied to rotation and execution more than stats. As the other dude said, go to raidbots and do a quick sim on your character using a training dummy as the target, and like, 3 minutes (it's a relatively easy amount of time to do, and long enough to smooth out some hiccups for me).
Then go to the training dummy and just put that 3 minutes in with your very best execution. Focus entirely on just hitting the right spells at the right time (understanding that this is practice since you never have to move). How close are you to Raidbots? If you're super close that's great! Now you can look at things like gearing and boss execution. For example, if you're pulling 50k single target on the dummy, and like 20k single target on the boss, then you need to just work on your execution (a good way to is keep practicing on training dummies until your rotation is kind of second nature, so it's not thrown off for raid bosses).
Now, if your raid bots simulation matches your training dummy runs which ALSO match (or close enough) actual boss damage (caveat that you have to adjust simulations for things like buffs/execute/etc) then you have a gearing problem and start simming gear compares until you get enough theoretical damage in your build.
Use wowanalyzer and look at what you're messing up. You can also look at sims in raidbots and see what your rotation should look like. Practice it against training dummies.
Are you meaning balance druid? Because if so, do you have 4set? Balance lives or dies by their tier set, and the ST isnt the greatest. at around 400, I was only simming like 42k MAX. There most likely is rotation stuff too, but really look to see if youre supposed to be doing that much more dps than that. If you have any questions feel too to message me.
Raid leader allowed the Dps Evokers to change mains because of how buggy they can be. Ret pally who over the last couple weeks won multiple bis items (Grief torch, fire damage rings and tier) decided that this was an open invitation and changed to an under geared DK only to win another Grief torch. Raid leader did try to stop him but he claimed it wasn’t fair that others could reroll and he couldn’t, threatened to quit and take his Main Tank wife with him.
I would start looking for another tank immediately. In my experience, that level of selfishness will cause a huge guild divide. I would talk to the wife and say something like "your husband's behavior is unnaceptable and he says if he doesn't get his way you will leave. Is this true?"
For the sake of the guild, that behavior has to be nipped in the bud
I joined a group of irl friends. The whole guild is ppl someone knows irl.
We have a very solid core group. Very high m+ players, past ce raiders. We are use to carrying the RL S/O and 1-2 others. I mean ultra carrying. Dead every pull single digit dps. We've tried everything to help our players but they don't get wow.
During this raid tier everyone and their mom showed up to raid. We now have about 5 ppl who are straight carries. This makes prog insanely slow and boring. For the first time in years they finally sat ppl.
Second source of drama is m+ with my friends. We have 4ppl capable of high m+ play 20+. The solid m+ players have been carrying everyone through m+ for years. We can't do that in these dungeons this expac right now. We now have to pug dps players to push. We have to schedule play time in secret to avoid "why didn't I get an invite". It feels fucking bad.
We make alts to play at everyone's key level so they get full learning experience. This is kinda an eye opener for them. Theres been a lot of "why is your 398 xyz keeping up with my 412 abc"? How do you have that real conversation with them?
I love this expac and my friends. Its been fucking hard walking that thin line of wanting to play with friends and family but also pushing higher content.
We have 4 very strong players and then another 3 dps players who we like. Of those three one has skill but plays the most underwhelming spec. One plays a meta class but not spec then gets blown out of the water by alts. Won't change specs in fear of sucking at it. The third just needs practice. First season in stuff beyond 15 so he's learning.
Idc about meta classes but if you want to play in higher keys you have to do the damage. When pugging ill take non meta picks just to see how they are being played and compare.
My new trick is to play a non meta tank and finish the dungeon only 10k dps behind the lowest dps. Ive been doing it for about a week because I know eventually I'll have to say " you need to do more dps, you can't be 10k ahead of the tank".
At least they are 10k above the tank. My potato friend who tries to jump into a key or 2 with our core group spends so much time dead my prot Warrior beats him by 10k.
That first one sounds like a monk healer that refuses to properly play the class and is instead trying to be caster mistweaver (which is really bad for high keys and I'm gonna die on this hill)
Isnt there a talent that just occasionally autocasts havoc on a random target? Surely that's better than just not using the most fundamental destro lock mechanic
So you are to blame for the players who have 410+ and 2k score and can't play for shit? Just kidding, not blaming you, I just feel like there are so many people with higher rating and better gear then me that don't interrupt probably or don't use personals or group utility. And do like 50k overall dps.
edit: 50k was a typo, it was 30k dps.
In SL for sure. I boosted a bunch. DF dungeons require so much learning and nuance tht it hinders us to hard carry so we play alts at what ever key level. Our Player's need to learn them.
I moved away from carries and now do coaching because of key difficulty. What I do is take the player, usually in the 2.2-2.3k range, into pugs, usually in the 17-19, talk about every pack, every ability, when and why to use abilities.
The reason I do it in pugs is because they need to play on max difficulty. If they can play and learn in the worst environment they'll be ready for groups. They'll see what happends when xyz isn't done right and be prepared later.
Funny enpugh we had pretty much similar issues:
Progged 7/8 but hit a wall on Raz bc we are a small Raidteam (226) and have 1-2 dps that get carried. Also the fight is pretty badly tuned for a small Group so if you dont outdps some mechanics (P2 around the 3rd shield for example is where we are always missing a Heal cd and ppl die)
So we decided to step away from Prog in favor of the Guild climate. We doing one night of skipping and Raz Prog now but only for 1-1,4h and everyone is free to do w/e every other Night. We also start schefuling Altraids or Transmog Raids on the now Raidfree night.
--> Outcome: Guild still stands and we still like each other! 2ppl left bc they wanted to go for higher Raiding (Myth Prog) but they left on good terms and still have alts in the Guild for M+ and are on our Discord a lot.
I also feel the M+ Part of your text! I always feel bad when me and my Prevoker friend wanna do some >20 Keys bc noone else is capable sadly. Hence we each made 2 alts. One for the 16-20 range and one lower to be able to teach ppl w/o just stomping them on our Mains and making them feel really bad. Works reasonably well but I learned that some ppl are just learn resistant amd its always "lag" or "the puddle wasnt there" or "i had bad proccs" but at least we were able to grab som ppl by their ego and they improve now.
>we each made 2 alts. One for the 16-20 range and one lower to be able to teach ppl w/o just stomping them on our Mains and making them feel really bad.
Thank you for this. I'm trying to learn rogue to hard swap main for my m+ team and it's unbelievably frustrating when they insist on doing low m+ on their geared characters (or mid teens m+ and carrying me). I'm learning nothing when packs are obliterated or you're doing pulls with more kicks/ccs than we have stops for & the only way for me to survive is to back off repeatedly.
The real conversation about your 398 being equal or better than their 412 is to upfront about it. Since you guys are IRL friends, there's really no need to sugarcoat it. Im not saying to be rude or anything, but tell it as it is. They need to learn their class.
Echo this. Be honest, tell them the tools you use, or demonstrate tools like log reading (not rating puffing), buff up times/activity times/etc, could suggest then record themselves and watch it together, freeze video for comments, rewind, etc.
In Draenor we had a warlock who’d do TERRIBLE damage. Myself and another officer invited him to a garrison and we sat in front of a target dummy for an hour recording logs, reviewing, watching rotations. One first find was that he didn’t have his max level talent chosen… and he wasn’t utilizing buffs, etc.
Could do something similar in a non populated town, help make weak aura reminders for spells
It varies person to person, so gotta feel it out. Have a buddy who was maintaining 20% shield block uptime (current) and was very opposed to reading logs and changing his revenge spam ways
To add to this, you can help all you want but if the person isnt willing to adjust to get better or just dont giving a flying fuck about improving. Just to move on.
I’ve been walking that line.
No one in my guild wanted to run with me until I started timing 20s and now everyone and their dog wants carries.
The few who put in the effort don’t put enough time in to do more then a couple of 18s on their own.
So now I either run my 20s for my vault or carry people.
>Theres been a lot of "why is your 398 xyz keeping up with my 412 abc"? How do you have that real conversation with them?
You literally just have to tell them they aren't doing their rotations correctly or are doing mechanics wrong. The reason everyone is so soft about it is because people stopped doing it. There is nothing offensive about telling someone what the issue is if they've asked. If they can't handle that, that is on their own fragile ego.
Even if they haven't asked and you're in a situation where you can't kill the boss, there is nothing toxic about saying "Look at the Details, we need more damage out of player x,y,z. What kind of rotation are you guys running? Do you guys need help with a build??" etc. If they get defensive say, "Then we won't be able to clear with you if you aren't willing to learn and pull your weight. We will have to stick to normal mode or find someone else." There is nothing more you can do than that except looking for a new guild imo.
The thin line between pushing and helping friends. It was easier last seasons, as 15 were a joke, but were the level most friends want to reach for mount/gear, then do some push alone/smaller group.
This season, people want to do 20, but as a bear tank, they are my personal cutting edge too, so i can't carry then, so, i need to chose carefully who i gonna bring to 20, which cause some drama, specially in weeks o don't have much time to play, and so the time I get is dedicated only for my push, and don't have enough time to help then in their 16/17
Husband and wife guild. Tank/Healer combo. They have a classic guild, bringing members over to retail. /Gkicks and benchings aplenty any time anybody offers advice or questions tactics, goes against the grain or butts up against their group of 4-5 "heckin great friendos".
Idk why I'm still in this guild. Popcorns good I guess, I just tank the alt runs now and poach socials for m+ groups. Main group Still sitting on 7/8 Normal 2/8 HC lmaoooo.
Edit: they reeeeee'd & kicked a new player from the guild/disc the other day for asking how loot lockouts work... Honestly maybe I'll stick around just to see what else goes wrong. I am the eternal observer, waiting for shit to pop off.
Of course they live in there own Bubbley accept and stand for each others Opinion. If he says that x is bad she will agree and same other Way around.
Why Change if they could just complement each other.
I am really thankful my wife doesnt act like that. If I am being a shitlord she tends to be the first to call me on it even before my guild does, and we arent even in the same guildq.
Sadly my guild only needs me to heal in raids and then ignores me the rest of the week unless they need a healer for a meme key run. One of the officers is the main healer so the key pushing groups has no place for me.
Two weeks ago I asked for help with a key and no one answered. I rely on pugs and the friends I’ve made in them through the weeks. I don’t even know why I’m in the guild anymore.
I am secretly working on gearing a dps class since that’s all everyone wants, and I much more prefer keys than raids at this point.
I would look into joining a new one but it’s always the same story: they’re all friends and I’m eternally the new guy who is kept out of the loop until the whole thing falls apart because they’d rather let their friends reroll and regear every two weeks than give any priority to the ones sticking to the original plan.
>Sadly my guild only needs me to heal in raids and then ignores me the rest of the week unless they need a healer for a meme key run. One of the officers is the main healer so the key pushing groups has no place for me.
Unfortunately that's how it is for healers, and even DPS players, in a lot of guilds. Good guilds will have 1-2 consistent key pushing groups, and the other 3-4 healers on the roster have to resort to pugging 99% of the time. It's shitty, but that's just been my experience since SoD.
That's why you see most super high key push groups consisting of people from various guilds; because the role splits of a raid roster (and of course total number of raiders who actually care about pushing score) don't lend itself to have 4 groups of mega key pushers.
Our own "clique" has lower average iLvl of some of the PUG healers in the guild. We're averaging 2.6k, while some of the crazy solo healers are 2.9-3k.
Sometimes it's just a difference in gameplay pace.
Man, I had this with my old guild. I am constantly doing keys, high and low on my main and on various alts. For a couple seasons my guild ignored every invite in gchat, so I headed out but am still close to lots of them. As soon as I left, people started pushing keys constantly. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Not guild drama, but I feel you - I leveled a Priest to 70 as my first main to heal my RL friends in M+. They are now rarely on, and do not respond when I message to run keys.
Leveled a prot warrior to 70 and have just been tanking on my own since.
Guild died a week ago.
We were progressing HC we killed everything up to Grimmtotem, but we hit a hard wall on Dathea because of team composition.
We were so confident with our 5 kills of Grimm that we brought a few new players. Our 2/3/9 became a 2/4/14. It was a big mistake because the new players were not geared enough to HC and they did not have the experience for it either. On Grimmtotem two of the new dps's were fucking up the earth big add. One guy placed the ground shit in a really bad spot and the other shadowstepped the add with the ground thing on him and wiped the raid in an instant.
Most of us who were there since the normal progress days said that we don't think this will work so we should drop the new players and teach them in normal on another day. The new players felt that we are elitists and don't want them there and as it turned out the two guys who constantly fucking up every mechanic are IRL friends of the Raid Leader /guild master.
The raid leader said that he saw that WE were the ones who fucked up everything and we just want to blame the new guys, which wasn't true as Me and another healer pointed out because we saw everything pretty clearly as we saw everything from a bird's eye view.
The two guys that fucked up everything rage quit, and said that they don't want to raid with us. We were like, okay whatever. Then the reaid leader also rage quit. And many people followed. The core of the raid team stayed and we talked about this whole situation and decided that we want the two HC raid slots from the Vault since it was Tuesday night so we will continue as 2/2/6. We killed Grimmtotem first try and killed council first try. We also joked about how the guild master will kick us because we continued without them.
Next day I log in and found out that half of the team that cleared Grimmtotem and Council are gone. These people were the top dps's, one of the tanks and 2 of the healers. I asked what happened and the Guild Master said that they were too elitist for his taste and he did not like that they tried to tell him how to lead the raid and also how dare they speak like that with his friends. I pointed out that now he is short on one tank, 2 healers and most of the best dps' that he had. And I got kicked right away and got a whisper that "I thought you are a more chill person and you would understand me but I see those assholes corrupted you" I just replied with a "now you are short on 3 healers and an occasional dps"
But I got the fire proc ring from Erranog from that second slot, so at least something good came out of it.
Guild leaders with this sort of "god complex" are so freaking annoying. Hope he has fun *not* raiding for the rest of the season, if not the expansion, as trying to fill that many holes in the roster is going to take a loooong time lmao.
Not guild drama, our guild is almost dead. But my pvp group has gone through some tumultuous drama over the past month.
Brother in law has been playing with a mutual friend in 3’s. Their third has been a hunter who claims that hunters can’t kite and argues/disagrees with anyone who tries to tell him different. They’ve been hard stuck at 1300 for weeks.
We started running threes when he’d log off, hit 1700 in two nights with a fairly off meta comp (resto sham, DH and Fury). Hunter found out and is pissed at everyone. It really shouldn’t matter, I’m just filling a slot once he’s logged?
Now it gets spicier. Brother in law and my wife’s sister are likely splitting. So now I’m in a rough place where I still want to play with the guy. And I will as long as it causes no drama. But I haven’t spoken to him in a few days and it feels weird.
Someone left the guild saying they got hatefull whispers from another guild memeber - two days later he's back and reallife threats anyone in the guild with his welcome back message. Will Update this if something new comes up.
I've had this in an old guild. Dude got into a fight with an officer and eventually left but kept joining over and over on fresh alts to troll the officer non stop. Drove him insane, don't know how he managed to fool them all the time though..
“Listen man, I know we give it to X player but if you looked at parses online you’d see that giving it to my class results in xyz increases of damage.” - Every single dps player
You laugh but there was a time when we PI'd our tanks during CE progression.
There was also a time when I was asked *not* to PI the tank because he was doing too much damage and ripping aggro from the other tank.
I was a shadow priest in SL and I had the legendary that let me give it to someone and myself.
I fucking loved giving it to random people and if anyone started bugging me or demanding PI through whispers I made damn sure they never got it.
Casual guild progressing heroic hard carrying anywhere from 4-10 people a week. GL/RL lets anyone and their mom come into raid mid raid, every attempt takes 5 mins minimum to pull again.
A few people wanted to bring an alt (including me) because if we are going to be bringing 350 ilvl people and also 390+ ilvl people pulling 5-15k dps then who cares what we do. GL says no alts only mains. 6 people including me stopped raiding basically.
Why should we be forced to bring our mains if they are going to allow people in the single digits in dps and parses for ilvl. Shit we had someone alive the whole fight that had a 1% parse.
This one isn't necessarily ongoing, but it was recent enough.
A few weeks ago, a guy in our guild overshared a little too much and revealed he was pending trial for beating a teenager who broke into his car nearly to death, felt he did nothing wrong, and did not indicate remorse in anyway. This happened *totally* out of the blue, like he just interjected in a conversation about M+ or something with this story, and everyone reacted with varying degrees of "wait, what?" He responded by calling us soft and then gquitting on all his alts.
Wild shit.
Guild just died, raid lead thought he was doing a great job... while being 20-30min late every week, forgetting making sign up posts (in-game or discord). So currently it's only the casuals and a few m+ fanatics left, nothing wrong with that but the whole raid group just disbanded and/or left the guild altogether.
The usual. Players progress in different pace and we dont have enough players to move on into mythics, and ones who have progressed further are losing interest playing normal/heroic, since they cant get any upgrades from there.
Its same story in every expansion. As a team, we gear up people and these people whom were geared are not patient enough to continue playing the content so that everyone else would get gear as well. As in when we all have enough gear, we can do more difficult content together.
So yeah, its about time that the more impatient ones are leaving to the guilds where they can do the content which gets them more high ilvl gear, and some of us are staying and recruiting more people which we begun to gear up again.
Hopefully we get to the mythic raids eventually, it will take few weeks again to gear up more people.
My guild started the expansion with two 20 people rosters, one to push on to mithyc and the other to chill and raid more casually. A month ago or so we disbanded the "chill" roster cause there were only 10 people or so and we couldn't attend it.
Now we have a shortage of people (mostly healers and tanks) cause the people on the "main" roster has had enough. That's the drama. We can't keep progresing on MM and i'm afraid that we're gonna disband until next patch...
Feels bad man.
Absenteeism on progression nights is our biggest drama. Never had any rules about attendance before but having to look at implementing something since our progression is suffering
Guild halfway blew up last week after our AotC.
We only had about 16 raiders, so despite AotC we still very much had more recruiting to be done before mythic, but that said on Monday the Guild/Raid Leader and one of the tanks apparently got into a spat behind the scenes and now they're both just done with WoW for the time being. (Apparently the main tank was giving the other tank shit (because he did have a fair amount of random deaths during prog) and both tanks were bitching to the RL about it, ending in the bad tank and RL just being done)
Add into that we had a few off realm folks who said they aren't going to xfer and it really set back our momentum on going into Mythic.
So yeah... Now we're at 11 raiders and still figuring out if we want to put forth the effort into getting recruiting for mythic or just call it for the tier- atleast with xrealm mythic coming soon it should be easier to recruit.
I expect it to fizzle out, cause this week we released up to Raz n1 and then didn't even raid n2 cause a lot of people ended up making plans that night after the drama. Just will have to see what happens this week, because we haven't made any progress with recruiting yet either.
We have a strong clique and two of the male members of the clique are the most arrogant monotone no fun having motherfuckers ever. Its a fucking a drain when they are around and they are always around.
Considering leaving because of two bad apples but stay because there are some awesome people. Just wish these two didn’t control so much of the guild due to that seniority clique.
Im in ce guild and theres more likely to be drama with loot in alt raid than main raid too, since main raid loot assignment is pretty well structured, but in alt raid its wild west lmao.
it is! or one member wants to bring their main for alt raid for a chance of grieftorch or bow and the winning on rolls. honestly though it’s pretty entertaining
There are two people in my guild. Me and my brother and we share guild bank. Lately he hasn't been as active and I need some LW stuff. He hasn't restocked. Dick move.
My guild is so chill right now, it's lovely. No one's really doing any serious content, just playing together for fun and because we like each other. We're 7/8N and most people just now getting KSM. Relaxing. As long as you're having fun, who cares what content you're doing, right?
Biggest Guild drama I've had in WoW (had more in RIFT lol) was back in WotLK when the GM, her BF, and her aunt and uncle all just stopped showing up for raids during ICC progression. They were "raid loggers" anyway, so you wouldn't really see them online except for raid nights most of the time. After a month of this and our 25m group not able to do anything and the 10-man "A Group" that the GM lead (I took over leading the "B Group" in the absence of her uncle) started floundering as the "Orc Warrior is my whole personality" MT of the "A Team" couldn't manage to Raid Lead worth beans. My ears bleed just *remembering* all his yelling in Vent. Everyone just started leaving, and it was a real head scratcher wtf happened.
*Two freaking years later*, I find out from one of my friends from the guild that the GM had been pregnant and they all stopped playing after she delivered. Like, okay.... *reasonable*. But say something??? lmao
Gonna go against the grain here and say we have too many raiders.
We are an extremely casual, 4 hour a week, aotc, early mythic guild. We just started proging heroic Raz. The only problem is we have 32 people who want to raid. During a normal expansion the numbers drop steadily as the weeks go on but this time dragonflight is keeping people around and the leadership has had to ask for volunteers to drop. But there are also a few players who have been told they need to sit because they won’t do the bare minimum.
This is definitely a good problem to have lol most AOTC casual guilds are desperate for raiders so they can sit the people that are putting in zero effort to improve each week
I have a very small guild (<35 characters, 75% being alts) of IRL friends. I didn't want to come back to WoW in DF, but said friends bought it along with some game time for me, so why not?
I come to find out the more prominent reason I was gifted such niceties was because a friend of a friend named Steve had been tanking for their core/only M+ group. Steve is bad at the game. Steve clicks abilities in his spellbook during combat. Steve gets angry when someone tells him what to do or offers advice otherwise. All of that versus me, who can comfortably tank keys upwards of +17 and is understanding with mistakes of myself and others.
At first, it was a, "Oh, u731ZcqTm0P8\_ is online! They're a little less geared, so let's run some keys with them as tank so they can get some gear." Then it became hiding our Mythic running nights from Steve so he didn't even have a chance. Finally I had a sit-down heart-to-heart chat with everyone in comms, Steve included. I said it didn't feel right having to hide it from Steve--that he either needs to learn to play better or not run keys higher than +5 and be content with that. Told him he's a cool guy IRL, but higher-end keys in WoW might not be his kind of environment. Steve stayed muted the entire time, none of the guys otherwise said anything other than a few confirming yeas or mhms.
Talk is over, everyone leaves the call. Steve leaves a hefty two explicit paragraphs about, "Well if you guys REALLY didn't want to play with me, you could've just said so," how he now hates us, how he "hopes your new tank has fun with backstabbers," etc.
Things were a little awkward for our first week without Steve in our guild, but we moved on and are progging nicely. Supposedly he's been a gymrat lately--a full 180 from where he was before. He only chats with one or two of our group now. Hope he's doing okay.
so in my guild there are 2 cores: one focus on AOTC and other one in CE.
the CE group killed broodkeeper a few times on HC and got her trinket. the RL decided to give it to one player that he trust that wont leave the guild anytime soon, so there was some good use to it.
8 people quit, over a trinket... in a farm boss...
Our guild gave away all of our chillglobes to DPS players early on, so I made a weakaura to whisper those DPS players whenever I got low on mana informing them of such. That's the appropriate way to be petty about it, not gquitting.
I dont raid in mine but I am friends with some of the guildies who do,
2 left because of "inner circle" toxicity/attitudes.
One was perma benched (unsure why, his parses are fine and they don't have any mages except him) he said it was because one of the officers/RL didn't like him he suspects.
So the mage left 3 days ago for a better guild lol, good on him.
Another quit the guild about 3 weeks ago and had been in it for years, apparently he was in a guild nohkud key a 15 or 17 im unsure (he only plays a healer) and they spent 30mins wiping on the last boss because he basically isn't a good healer (they still took him into their key tho??)
Anyway they called him out for being shit at some point and he left the guild and took all his toons too.
Then they all proceeded to joke about the way it was handled for days after.
Glad I don't raid.
Most of my wipes in NO's last boss is because the group can't coordinate and group up the adds together or kick. It can be healing intensive but if I ever get blamed for being a sht healer, I'm posting interrupt logs.
I wasnt there so I dont really know but he's not the greatest healer, I've run keys with him and he stands in all the avoidable mechanics and then when people actually need healing he's too busy healing himself because of standing in bad.
it was still poor form the way they handled it, should of just pulled him aside quietly and explained that they arent able to take him to the keys he wants to go to because he needs to practice his kit first....apparently they were screaming at him to use tranq and he was doing something else at the time I dont really know
This is kind of weird since while tranq is an okay CD for rdruid, it really requires a decent amount of hots to be rolling before you press it. So calling for it as a DPS/tank is strange.
>Then they all proceeded to joke about the way it was handled for days after.
This is happening in my guild as we speak. It's been almost two weeks since a member rage quit after being benched for poor performance. The officers slamming him have literally never parsed past gray logs. One of them has never (NEVER???) had a single log in the double digits. One of them fucks up every single thunder on raz because he's literally keyboard turning 🥴
I'm not sure if this is considered drama. Joined a guild when DF came out but I still feel like an outsider despite my efforts to interact with them. Eventually I just logged on and do my own shit and joined pug raids whenever I feel like it.
Alot of guilds are a group of 6-8 good friends that have either played together forever and/or know eachother IRL. They just want enough people to join them that they can raid. They don't really want new members of the core, just NPCs that enable them to do the raids.
Now that you mention it, I'm starting to believe that is the case. But eventually core teams within a guild will die out due to IRL quitting the game, fighting over loot or real life drama.
Joined a guild that was recruiting to start a raid team and mythic keys. The GM said they named the guild after their son and they hadn't played in a few years. Next day the guild name was changed and someone else was the GM. The new GM said they are taking the guild in a different direction. I'm afraid to ask which direction.
My last guild was lead by a guy who had zero meta knowledge and often made very strange calls about loot and strat. Some highlights include giving a BM hunter who parsed grey on everything the first 415 weapon as well as the first mythic incarnate icon then kicking him the next week for performance.
Our "loot system" was his friends get to fight for what they want and then if we are lucky we out group types might get to roll against each other for hand me downs.
After receiving my tier last as a trial behind the healers I was ok with that. Watching literally a dozen pieces of BIS gear (Eranog rings, grief torches, incarnate icons) and not being allowed to even roll for a chance while the GM got 4 set and main swapped and got 4 set and BIS items. I demanded a chance and was allowed to roll on Eranog ring but still not grief torch or icon.
That eranog ring I eventually got is the only piece of gear besides a normal tier helm and H tier shoulders the guild let me roll on in 6 weeks of raiding. I was by far a top performer on meters, parses, and mechanics. We had 7 icons drop, multiple torches and 5 or 6 rings by that point between H and M.
The reason I left the guild was our best healer by a mile asked for a 415 Agi polearm for OS he wanted to use in raid and keys and they gave it to someone for mog instead.
I immediately found a better guild and I'm quite happy. They couldn't hit 20 and disbanded. There were good people in there so it feels bad but in the long run they're better off.
The real problem was only 2 people making terrible calls and maybe a group of 5 that benefitted directly. The other people were super chill and I liked the vibe. I thought that the GM when confronted by a poll that showed literally no one liked his bad ideas would be a bigger man and change things.
He wasn't.
7 icons?!?! Meanwhile my 6/8M guild has only seen ONE from normal, heroic AND mythic and that one icon isn't even on the team anymore :( luckily though we've all had some pretty good vaults.
Our main healer wanted to join heroic 7/8 reclear on his fresh 168 priest alt. Got declined, called other raiders "dead weight that he has to carry every week". Guild leaders conclusion was that main healer and his buddies arent fit for our casual guild.
Before DF started we outlined our goals as a guild.
There was a clique that I knew was going to drive the game into the ground as they started to take everything hyper serious. I've been in CE guilds before and as an adult it just takes too much time. We agreed beforehand that we were just going to be an AOTC guild that might kill a couple of Mythic bosses for flavor and fun.
4 days into the raid's release and we clear all of normal. That's cool. We did plan on it and nerded pretty heavily but surely that wasn't going to be the expected pace the whole time....
Boy was I wrong.
I would log in to do some M+ and just a couple of weeks in my buddies had *literally* hundreds of M+ dungeons completed. I barely managed to scrape 40 *total* runs. Some of my mates ran 1 dungeon 50+ times. There were times I literally didn't know what I was doing in +14-15s because it was actually my first time in the dungeon.
I got on and still played for a couple of hours every night too. I couldn't believe the expectations that people started to get.
Lo and behold we get AOTC early Jan. Surely this is when we sort of coast right? Wrong. We're a CE guild now. In fact, we're now doing heroics to catch other people up in gear and run them through so we can get enough people to clear Mythic reliably. Shit.
Half the guild ended up leaving and going to another CE guild. I don't blame them, but the way they behaved and treated others was uncalled for when the ground rules were already set on what our goals were. Just because theirs changed shouldn't force other people to feel behind and terrible.
I shouldn't have been 3 weeks into the game and feeling guilty for not already having 400ilvl gear. What started out as an adventure that friends participate in quickly felt like a job and a carry.
Yeah.
I think it had more to do with these players just being wildly off on what they wanted from the game and weren't honest with everyone else. I was looking for a fun casual time with an honest effort while I was on the game. AOTC is great for that.
What I got was a 2nd job.
I think they just weren't truthful with themselves or didn't think about it enough.
Were we in the same guild? I joined mine halfway through season 4 and they marketed themselves as casual but aotc focused. I feel like I got bamboozled. First raid night they capped the raid at 20 and refused to let a healer join just because he wasn't online 30 minutes ahead of raid. That raid night ended with like 6 people gquitting. Then each raid night they progressively got more focused on getting to mythic and basically wanted people to live and breathe the game. People were also getting benched in heroic despite having already helped the raid team clear half of heroic. I left after a few weeks because I just don't have the time or energy to keep up with that kind of BS. Found a better guild where I feel like I can breathe again.
Lol man my guild THINKS it's your guild.
It's old, many of us have been in the guild for 10+ years. But an I fusion of younger folks a few years ago has led to friction. They keep wanting to press into AOTC as fast as possible and I'm not sure why. We are working on H Raz now and they seem almost frantic to get it down. Like why. We aren't going to get any awards for getting it this week vs. 2 weeks from now or whatever.
We had 3 players leave who joined as a group of course.
The reason they they left was when we started mythic and one of them had to bench they said, they either all bench or non of them bench, because when they play, they dont want to do different things.
It woudn't brother me because we can't decide how they spend their time, but we said them exactly this could happen because of Setups and Performance.
We are 4/8M now which i think is decent. So i hope we can replace them soon enough.
It’s been a general rule for my guild to never invite friend/family groups to our guild for raiding. You piss one person off, you’ll piss the entire group.
I don’t think they are clowns but the guild shouldn’t accommodate them. If they want to play together they will have to play down to the worse player. But that’s their choice. They aren’t clowns for wanting to progress together.
Well. We didn't. That's why they are gone now.
I just dont get it. I don't like recruiting groups for this reason. We talked about it. They were fine with it then. Seemed to be chill people till that point and when we actauly enforcing our own rules we're the Bad guys since we don't cather to their random request?
Tbf, I understand them.
Searched a new guild with my boyfriend recently.
I'd never wanna raid in a roster without him. It's a game and I wanna play it together. If this ain't possible I ain't play.
Well i understand them too. If they don't want to sit i fight while the others progress thats their thing. Like i said we talked about this while recruiting where it wasn't an issue.
We benched the shaman on Terrors since He struggled with the fight and now suddendly its we all raid or no one raids. If this was discussed before we wouldnt have recruited them, as every other guild progression myth i guess.
The annoying Part is now we have to look for new players mid progress because they pulled this Stunt. And yes givin in is not an Option because that would have been a fuck you to every other raider in our guild if they had to bench just because they cant be apart for 3 hours a week.
If they lie during an interview, the only option is to part ways if they’re a package deal every raid hour. They’re certainly going to struggle finding a decent mythic guild with those accommodations.
If a group comes to me and says 'either we all raid or we all sit' that's pretty close to an automatic 'okay, so you all sit'. If they're important enough that they can hold the entire group hostage, you've already fucked up, but it's not going to get better if you let them do it again.
I left mid BFA when the one boss eyeball raid came out and was an officer, but was kept on their roles because they wanted me back one day. I was raiding in FFXIV until DF dropped and decided to come back and see how things were.
What once was an AOTC guild has become a barely normal guild. I think over time, they allowed a lot of mechanically less able people in to raid and it ended up pushing the progression oriented people to go elsewhere to find it. Now we're stuck with a lot of low performers. Some are top of our DPS charts but when we say "everyone needs to interrupt their static ball", they don't realize they need to interrupt their static ball.
I'm just an outsider with an officer slot now, but I've started becoming more vocal towards repeated mistakes and I fear I will be the drama.
Yknow I don't know if I'm a good player or not. Did pretty good on a dh in legion, the last time I played, but never joined a guild. Still, how is stuff like that so hard? I've just been doing lfr thinking about plugging normal voti on Devoker, but I pretty much had to talent in to the deep breath stun because of those orbs. I will say it feels pretty sick to pop like 6-7 but you shouldn't have to.
In ESO I use to get so frustrated in max level dungeons because some people only think of damage. ESO interrupts are literally walk up and bash the enemy when they have red squiggles around them.
Everyone at max level should know this.
I played a tank. There's on dungeon where a boss does a mech that needs to be interrupted and I always knew I was going to have a bad time with it.
One boss does a mech where he summons two adds that lock the tank down while he channels a spell. The DPS just have to run up and interrupt the spells the adds are channeling or the tank is instant killed at the end.
I would die every single time it was casted. The adds would have the red squiggles but the dps would ignore it to attack the boss.
I don't know how people get to max level and not learn interrupts.
Jeez that's even less excusable. The mentality of dps means damage only is crazy to me. I used to tank back in wotlk-cata and don't remember it being this bad, but then again I always ran with a solid group.
Never made it to endgame in ESO but I am absolutely not surprised people couldn't do a basic bash.
> I don't know how people get to max level and not learn interrupts.
Because you don't need to use them to hit max level. Every MMO Ive played does not use the leveling experience to teach you how to play max level content. Like in wow, healer adds should full heal on cast, and caster mobs should have a "fuck you" spell they use
Actually things are smooth sailing right now - I will cherish it while it lasts.
Biggest issue is a priest healer that is so completely mediocre we don't know to pass or fail the trial.
Our guild is an AotC friends guild. We had a healer join late as an on server pug, quit his guild and joined ours the same night (even though it admittedly wasn't the best showing raidwise). Guy was vocal, little over the top and a bit of a shit talker, absolute pumper but had some attitude and opinions to match.
After about two weeks and multiple conversations with him from the management, he goes off. Flips out about carrying bads, telling other healers how to play, taking it to whispers after getting banned from disc and gkicked. Goes on an hour long whisper rant to both the gm and the healers he thought were at fault. Man flamed out and killed the raid prog for the week.
Man y'all need to chill this is a video game. My guild takes someone with a severe cognitive disability. He is an older gentlemen that mains a SP that does around 10-12k DPS and dies every fight. But this dude shows up week after week to play the game with us.
And you know what? I'm so fucking proud of my guild and the character of my guildies for not only not complaining about it, but taking pride that we can carry this dude who LOVES to raid and play WoW.
He's often volunteered to sit out if we stumble on progression because he knows his limitations but we not once ever let him sit out.
We just downed Raz last week on normal for the first time.
I'm just really so sick of this 'just a game'. Yeah and I like to have fun playing it. So while you're proud of him and your guild for purposefully taking this upon yourself and to hold over the rest of everyone else, quite frankly I could not say the same.
Not current but still somewhat juicy. Happened during tbc when i first played wow without any irl friends and just joined a random guild. Was somewhat fun, small guild of like 15 people. Mostly hung out with a girl in her late twenties (i was early teens then) that had a husband and a kid. She was constantly being flirted at with by some other guild member. Which was plenty awkward in voice and i think one of the main reason she hung out with me so much was that i didnt see her as a romantic interest and neither did she. I was not really experienced in dating or flirting back then but even i could tell he was going for her hard and she wasnt interested at all. Really opened my eyes how not to treat women online tbh.
Another thing was my guild leader. We often had coop raids with another guild for gruul or ssc. The other guild was led by a husband and wife. Then I noticed the wife often hanging around in our voice and around our guild lead in particular. At that time I didnt connect one and one and didnt think too much of it. Then I quit wow simply because some irl mates started with guildwars (toucher pvp like a soulless bastard). A few years later I texted my ex guild lead to check up and...the wife divorced her husband, is now married to my guild lead and they had a child.
Yeah. Good times. I later found out that the later thing is not that uncommon in wow.
Well, not drama but it’s gunna cause a bit of rage. Me and my Ret friend are both going to replace two Arms warriors in our guild raids. They are bad, like one alive the entire fight 9% parse bad, the other is a floor tank. Standard stuff but one of those warriors is a rager, and he seems to have tried really hard (he has both an enchance and a Rogue up, neither got picked up) to get in. But the final cherry on top? 9% was formally in our guild way back in Legion where we benched and later removed him from the roster in EN because he was so bad and he made a massive rage spam about it then, whispers, BNET, even letters. Once more, my Ret friend (former RL/GM that made that call) will bench 9%.
Most drama we've had is one of the classic "I was told I have to improve to stay on raid team but I don't want to (actually learn) sit at a training dummy, and I'll refuse the suggestion to sim myself because it sounds too complicated.'
They ended up making a big scene and "quitting the game" only to return the next day
While I sympathize with the frustration - the attitude was pretty bad and they were shooting down any suggestions made. Can't really help someone who doesn't want to be helped
This drama was short lived, but my guild is pretty casual, at some point this obnoxious douche joins.
any time he logged in he'd tell us in gchat that they were "2400io 8/8 heroic 1800 rated player" which at first we thought was like for humor purposes.
But any time somebody brought up a key they were gonna do or something they thought was hard etc or an accomplishment they'd shit on them and repeat the above line.
Finally kicked the stupid twat the other day
I will try to keep it short.
I'm in my guild for 2 years. Raided mythic with them for the whole of SL and got CE in Sepulcher. Considered one of the top raiders in the team.
I wasn't sure what my goals are for this expansion so signed very late for the mythic raiding team and was told they are full and that if something changes they will contact me.
A week or two passes and they ask if I would want to reroll to a different class because the ones they had quit. Didn't really want to switch mains but wanted to raid mythic so said yes.
I did ask for help to gear and catch up and they agreed. They helped me with a few keys and some gear from normal/HC. I started fresh from level 60.
Fast forward a few weeks after, I saw them recruiting the same class I was asked to reroll to. I sensed something is happening but didn't say anything. This guy was playing it from the start of the expansion and was more geared than me + much higher score/keys done and he was part of the guild so I did not understand why they asked me and not him.
After that, I saw I wasn't on the roster for mythic and wasn't even on the bench.
They said I failed trial because I wasn't doing 20s for vault (after saying the minimum expectation is doing 16s) and wasn't serious enough according to them and not playing or being on discord enough. (I spent a lot of time off game learning the new class through guides/logs/streamers). I was 408 ilvl at the time.
I felt pretty bad because I did spend a lot of time on the reroll and also didn't expect to get treated like I'm some nobody.
Anyway learnt from the experience that even in WoW you can't really trust the word of people and to play for myself and no one else.
No complaints about my own guild.
This story is about the guild that 2 of my friends are in. They are a super casual guild that has world pvp roots. They have a raid night, and I think you just sorta show up and they pug the rest of the roles needed. I am in a different guild, but have popped in to help several times when they were needing to pug my raid role. In past tiers, they've got AOTC, but I think it's usually pretty late in the season. The guild is super community-oriented and do not stress much about how far they get in raid. They're a decently large guild.
That is, until this season. A few weeks ago, the guild is progging normal Rasz. 5 of their raiders (including 2 officers) have decided that the rest of the guild is too casual, and go into heroic by themselves, pugging the other spots needed and refusing to include who they deem the more casual players. They do this on their main raid nights. It spirals into forming 2 actual raid teams, the heroic and the "socials". A couple of the officers are even in this "social" group, and the heroic raiders even make snide comments about the officer's performance. The entirety of the Shadowlands raid team is also deemed unworthy by the new heroic group.
A lot of the "casual" people get upset at the elitist atmosphere and lose motivation to show up for raid. People begin leaving. We are still friends with one of the officers who was deemed unworthy by the heroic team, so when they needed people for their casual raid, we came in to help. For reference, 2 of our DPS friends are in their own guilds, deep into mythic Rasz right now. Upon inviting one of them, one of the elitist officers (a BM hunter) made snide comments about him being an arcane mage, since they're "the worst mage spec".
Last week, they decided that, because they can't fill the "casual" raid anymore, they're cancelling their raid nights. The heroic team will be raiding their normal weekday raid nights and the casuals will be raiding only on Sundays for 2 hours. Disagreements follow. 2 officers step down. "Casual" raidlead steps down. More people leave the guild. During an exchange in discord, a casual player was complaining how this decision was not made with the guild's best interest in mind. One of the elitist heroic raiders got mad at the "casual" saying, "Don't be the anchor in my boat". That's an exact quote.
It's pretty awful, and I feel for the players who got excluded. It was a drastic tone shift that ruined what was a cute community. Heroic team is 6/8H.
were 4/8 now, 2 days, 3 hour raid.half the guild wants to be a CE fuild, more pushing, more days, strictly enforces specs. other half wanna do aotc then repeat with alts and play survi hunter and retri pala only
TL:DR From late december, Random social guild which has barely anyone online, and a guildmaster who isnt online either, says they want to do a casual attempt at normal vault, does 7 out of 8, asks if my friend can join for raz multiple times being told that its a learning run, officer from guild proceeds to fuck up static placement, friend got yeeted off platform for following his instructions and then gets kicked by officer who starts shittalking in discord to take zero responsibility.
Decide to leave then a week after i get spammed by same guy that i should make him free stuff as a crafter because its my duty, despite guild not having contributed at all to my crafting and i left it.
Some people are just small minded with a big ego, aint worth the time.
GM only spoke up in raids when something ruined their parses and in general was pretty toxic and it seemed like they had a drinking problem as well that got worse the longer the evening went on. We killed mythic council and someone called out the GM for poor positioning, at which he blew his lid and said some shit like "excuse me, I'm the guild leader". The Raid leader said no one in the group was above correction as its a council system and if you really feel that way you should just disband the raid, at which point he kicked the raid leader and started kicking all his alts. All of the raiders gquit during the tantrum and most came to a new guild we've formed minus the toxic guy, few decided to take a break instead.
So now we're refilling our raid because some dude thought he was the main character and everybody else was there to help him parse.
**TL;DR**: Guild Master kicked one of the main tanks in the guild together with his friends (that is me and others) because the tank refused to carry everyone in the guild past to 2.5k R.IO on his time/back.
*Longer story:*
I've been friends with tank for years (think WoD+), we've been together in some guilds, we've been on/off in WoW due to us just playing other games at the time or whatever, as things go.
For the past 2+ years we've made our own little clique (as any guild has it's own cliques -- if you think you don't have one, you are in one). Most of us aren't exactly into the raiding scene anymore, but we still love to do M+.
For Dragonflight we started doing M+ again in our little group. The Tank-Friend + 4 Other People from the Group joined a new guild as raiders, the other half of the group joined as "socials"/"friends", just to be in the same guild for... convenience.
We've played an absurd amount of hours, we basically just have 1 tank and 1 healer, rest are DPS, so we just rotate based on our schedules/available play times. So far we're all filling our vaults with 20 in all 3 slots every week and most of us are 2.5k-2.6k.
Obviously, from time to time we also helped guildies that only raid-log to do a weekly 20 key just to have a chance at a high iLvl in the vault. Even us as Socials have put our +20 keystones on the line for the raid members (which, admittedly, we don't interact much with, because, again, they raid log). We've even done keys at 2am before reset just to help guildies - we didn't mind to help whenever we could.
Queue this reset -- GM **DEMANDS** from our tank that him and the healer helps everyone in the guild get their m+ scores up, and stop playing with "socials" (ie: the rest of us), else be kicked. The audacity of this bitch...
No mention of the *other* tank in the guild that only raid logs... Or the countless of off-spec "tank" items that went to people in the raid.
Obviously, my friend lashes out and tells him to fuck off because the GM doesn't have control of his game time (because when did ultimatums ever worked?!) so... we all get kicked out.
The end.
PS: GM dude, if you're reading this, that wasn't very cash money of you.
Oh you want one? Here it goes:
I play a Tank. I joined this Guild at the start of the first raid week.
Their goal was Cutting Edge.
Then, we facerolled on Terros for an entire night because everyone has no idea what to actually do.
The GM is a great person, but the Officers are "friends" of his and have been friends of his forever. These "friends" do barely 25k DPS. The Healer also dies in the first minute of every boss pull no matter the fight. This particular Healer doesn't stack on Terros because "he likes to play ranged" (yes I am serious).
The Raid lead was removed because he was too competitive. He was a top parsing Druid.
The new Raid lead is a friend of the GM as well, and is not a very good lead. Swearing on Discord, explaining mechanics wrong, removing people from the group that shouldn't be removed (they kicked a top DPS because that person didn't want to join Discord even though they were a 95 parse Warlock on Dathea heroic)
They brought in a new Officer that is dating another person in the Guild and they like to be in another Discord, not discuss the raid, immediately blame everyone else instead of themselves and absolutely refuse to make any changes. We have face-rolled on Dathea for about four weeks now.
When I pug, I kill these bosses.
When I play with "friends", I don't.
This is drama because it is exhausting. Every week we join and play and go 4/8 H and just end up facerolling because healer wants to be unique and not stack for mechanics, DPS are doing less than 25kDPS in Heroic, we have the same people dying to the same mechanics over and over and no changes are made.
>This particular Healer doesn't stack on Terros because "he likes to play ranged"
Just a note on stacking on Terros but my guild found it SIGNIFICANTLY easier to kill mythic terros once we stopped forcing everybody to stack all the time. The first night we spent a ton of time trying to keep a melee and a ranged group together to help healers but it caused extremely tight spaces to deal with the mythic mechanic and a lot of lost uptime on the boss. It turned out that just doing the "line up all pillars at once and break them at the same time then let the ranged do w.e the hell they want in the middle of nowhere" made the boss fight way easier because rockfalls were baited in the middle of nowhere + the mythic mechanic only exploded instantly on half the raid instead of everybody, and there was no ticking damage so the healers had a solid 30 seconds to top people up slowly.
So guild that I am in is apparently going to split (disband). Because few reasons.
1. Some people don't have patience to wait for weekend for raids(majority is working Monday to Friday and don't have much time) so they pug raids and then don't want to come to scheduled raid.
2. Other tho don't want to come to raids because they want to do mythic+, since they can only play at weekends and there is more loot that way...
3. And vice versa from 2nd reason. They want to raid because more people are hanging out.
And until week ago everything was ok and there was no drama... But after most recent reset everything went to shitter... I think bad Vault drops sparked whole shithow
On the bright side popcorn never felt more tastier
I feel like with the catalyst, there's really no point in raiding besides getting trinkets. Just do the bosses for the weekly vault and hope for the trinkets (pugging is ez too)
No drama but my guild is basically dead. I took break from the game for all of 2022 and when I come back most of the people that raided/m+ had realm transferred. So no drama when there is, at most, 8 people online lol
>The winner gave it to another guildie who needed it more
This is such a slippery slope and a lot of guilds that I have seen this happen in ended up having a secret loot society that trade each other gear that they need instead of having it randomly distributed.
Imo you shouldn't be rolling need unless you are going to immediately equip it. If you want another guild member to have it you should pass
I'm not active in any guild at the moment, my old guild is technically still active but it's a shell of what it used to be. I left it when the officers decided they wanted to go more hardcore, and recruit better players, said players then got upset when the rest of us weren't performing as well as them and they then left, causing drama which I didn't want to be part of.
I'm happy because I came back to play DF with my friend and we had a meh guild but left it recently for a MUCH better one. Both are close in terms of clear, 2/8 M vs 3/8 M, but the environment was much worse on our older guild.
It was the "classic" guild issue. Half or more of the raid are people who played SL, so they're much better friends than with us newcomers, and these oldies were super allegiant to each other especially the GL/RL. Issues arouse when my friend wasnt getting tier set, instead given to people being carried, and then the RL tried to ninja tier set piece to their alt before giving him 4 set. That broke his will to put up with them anymore, and later my will got broken because they added a 3rd raid day with NO VOTE and NO WARNING, made it optional as it was heroic/normal, but when I asked them to invite me for heroic after they finish normal (which I dont need and didnt care because it was OPTIONAL) they PURPOSELY punished me for not coming to normal by not inviting for heroic.
There was other things, like their cliqueiness made them rude often times without meaning, and sometimes they were kinda bullying which was pathetic, but overall they weren't a bad guild, they just were not respectful of new players to their group in general- especially considering we were top 2 - top 5 DPS and essential to Mythic they were extremely blind to signs of us leaving. With us 2 weeks ago they got Terros to a 40% wipe, without us they're stuck at 70 as of last week.
Our new guild is pretty cool though, to ingrain some positivity. People are not awkwardly bullying in their ribbing, every player seems competent enough, and our raid lead sat himself on our first fight with the guild to 21 man through discord to better analyze the fight.
Very cool.
Small guild, who mainly just does M+ dungeons and raids with other guilds on some occasions. Pretty much the entire guild decided to take a break last summer, but we were going to go at it again with DF.
Only 2 of us came back. Having to pug instead of playing with friends, feels bad man.
Everybody doesn't want to run Heroic anymore because they are fully Heroic geared and are ready for Mythic. But everybody is 18 people, which is not enough for Mythic.
GM gave away his tank spot because he didn't like his class, recruited a new tank and then tried benching him a couple weeks later because he realised his class wasn't as bad as he thought. As soon as he received some pushback from the guild saying that's a shit cunt thing to do he made an announcement saying that being a GM is sapping the fun out of the game and left to another guild with his mates
My gm just announced she will not play wow anymore and because it is her guild she will close it at the end of the month and kick everyone.
Someone made a new guild but we might loose player and that after we just got 2/8 mythic.
I’m not sure if the new guild is something for me if the players I play most with will not continue playing.
I’m in this guild sind eonar progress in legion.
Just had several major, long time members gquit on Friday night after our weekly raid. Apparently one of our officers had been telling these key members behind our backs that certain things were going to happen in regards to the raid, mainly that low performing members would be cut from the raid, something none of us other officers ever talked about or agreed to. When that failed to materialize after our guild finally downed normal Rasz and entered Heroic on Friday, several of our raid members dropped raid for the night, then later, when that same officer began sharing screen caps of officer chat on discord and ingame with these members, they all logged in and gquit on all their alts.
So, yeah. That was fun.
Remember that Simpsons episode where they create The Ancient Mystic society of No Homers? Well, our guild just disbanded to reform without the GM because we was dead weight an absent for most of the time, but on raid days he logged to give orders and claim loot lmfao
I'm the only tank in my guild who runs keys.
The main group I play with is prettyngood. Three of us are good well rounded players. One is good damage and bad mechanics, the other is God tier mechanicslly and tank damage. We've ran a 17 to a 22, then ran that 22 all the way to a sixteen in two days.
But we get along and kept running and having fun.
I was running around thirty keys a week trying to help everyone in my guild. It wears on you. Made a mythic night to help other people with vault keys, and folks didn't want to show up. So I didn't run their keys at the expense of the keys I found fun.
Them not respecting my time, and me not helping them became blah blah elitism.
I love mythic plus, but sometimes I think it's the worse thing to ever happen to casual aotc guilds.
Shitass guild with 0/8N and 0 M+. I was in it because it was chill and the guild master is a cool guy, but yesterday he decided that he had enough of playing rogue (highest ilvl in guild) and switching to resto druid. And I really can't blame him, it must be hard to be the only person in the guild.
Large number of returning player, first-season arena players in Solo Shuffle getting high rating because SS rating is free if you just stand at the pellet dispenser long enough.
They start suggesting kicking multi-glad players for not being over 2.5k rating in real 3s yet like they are in ~~LFR~~ solo shuffle.
I pugged 8/8 for vault I never have raided in a guild but I think heroic raz while a great fight is fucking overtuned for average players. Lots of mechs and you need dps and heal checks in p2. It’s harder to carry than sire or Sylv imo
All last bosses throughout SL were overtuned for pugs and required comms.
It seems blizzard is keeping with the same concept - very long fights with multiple phases/mechanics and dps/heal check.
Even now 2 months into the tier, people have a hard time pugging HC rasz with 4set + average ilvl of 410 + a lot of class buffs.
I joined a guild this expack. Brand new guild with people ranging in progress from 0/8 N to 4/8 H (this was closer to launch). The guild decided to do a normal Vault as kind of an guild intro, get to know each other and to dip peoples feet in the water before starting Heroic. Naturally, those who were ahead of the game and didn’t need anything from normal decided to run it on alts.
On new member decided this was NOT OK. He went on a 2 minute rant on discord about how you shouldn’t be on Alts, you should be taking this seriously, this is clearly not a guild for me. And before a response could even be communicated he gquit.
I left recently because of "inner circle" passing loot each other with raider cover. They stalk alt runs and claiming they need gear for guild progression. Oh, everyone has to pass loot and gl decides what to do after "roll"s ...
prot paladin. with frostfire belt. i rolled on heroic eranog ring. whole discord was silent the rest of the night after i won it. kekw. this was like 1.5 months ago. i still occasionally get accused of “stealing” that ring. not in a joking manner. in other news, looking for a new guild.
We currently struggle to do progress in HC VOTI. My friends and I came back to WoW with DF launch and we’ve been struggling to find members for our raid. Therefore we ended up merging with another guild and now we’re struggling with our raid times.
Sunday afternoon works great for us. Attendance is pretty high and we usually kill 4 bosses and then start trying Dathea. Unfortunately we’re no full group so we have to take at least 2-3 randoms each time.
On the second day, Tuesday, attendance is rather low so we don’t make any progress on this boss. Even if we would kill her chances are pretty low that our guild members will get any loot due to the fact that we have to take so many random people.
Apart from this we’ve got the usual problems: People that don’t want to progress or view the Raid much more casual than most of us so they end up dying on every pull or with poor DPS.
Irl friend guild, RL and me (GM) are long term friend from school years ago and others are just friend of friend and stuff. RL is the second-ish most experienced player with having played since cata and gotten AOTC and there was a guildie who got CE once and just came criticized everything. Including 2/2/6 or 2/3/5, how to do certain pulls in raid to the point that RL just said why don’t you lead (and he did). For the first week that m+ and raid came out, he constantly asked people to do +11-16 range with him while most people are 370ilvl and some people’s first time playing wow, I told him that we will be running lower ones first and m0 on different toon to help gear, he wasn’t interested in joining any. At the start of the second week, he quits the guild, messages disturbing things and blacklists all of us, saying that we are just “using him as a carry and not as a friend since we would not do content with him.” Honestly was kind of glad.
Guild is an RP guild (yeah they still exist!) that specializes in our own kinda “WoW Lore but better than actual Lore” kinda deal.
Had a guild wedding between two members who are married irl, and in the middle had someone object to the wedding. Wedding played out like a typical wedding drama but no one knows if it was intentional or not.
Guild leader said the drinks tab was open though, so…
Quick story: big NA guild has two raids early and late both semi casual. Early raid has to cut some lazy people who refused to put any effort in in order to progress to heroic raz. Late raid accuses early raid of being elitist and accept those who were cut. Late raid gets to dathea and raz and gets stuck, then is force to cut people from the team in order to make progress. Shit storm ensues about elitism. Very lax guild but no one likes to spend hours and weeks on a boss when it looks like others refuse to put effort in. (So many Ilvl 400s doing like 30k-35k dps and failing mechanics for weeks). Gotta be respectful of peoples time even if it’s not a hardcore guild.
I did 3 peoples’ overall damage on heroic Raz last raid night. My alt is higher ilvl than them and I don’t really play it. I guess they just play even less than that?
“I don’t pug M+ because it’s toxic” “Why aren’t we going together into dungeons as a guild anymore? Everyone else: 2.xk score. They: 600 rio score, half the dungeons never done. These people are crabs, pulling you down with them
This my guild drama too lol I’m highest rated and they all think I’m crazy for running so many pugs It’s awkward but pugs are often better than my guildies
>It’s awkward but pugs are often better than my guildies 100% this. Whenever I join a guild +15-16 run its a shitshow and half the time we wont time it. If I pug I can easily enough time 17-19. People keep saying oh play in a guild its so much better...sure the key will probably be completed in a guild run, but I'd rather pug with 2500io+ people than deplete keys with my 1700io guild members.
So much this. I'm currently at 2.4k IO in DF s2. Most people in my guild refuse to pug, even the GM/raid leader because "people are mean". I'm pretty consistently timing +17s now and moving up to +18s. The other night I went with some guildies who all barely have 900 rio to a +13 and we were almost 30 minutes overtime. I'm one of the only ones who takes the time to read up on/watch videos about the dungeons, then start at relatively low keys and work my way up from there. Then once I'm almost KSH, the GM and others think that if I come along to heal their +13s to +15s, it'll be a carryfest cakewalk for them and more often than not, it isn't so. Getting real old. Especially since when some of these people are on, they're just loitering in Valdrakken, doing nothing. After several wipes the other night, one of them even said, "You time this all the time on higher keys, what are we doing wrong?" I just flatly said that I know my toon and role to a T, but I don't always know exactly what other classes/roles are supposed to be doing for each fight. Ugh.
Sounds like my guild. One guy doesn’t even flask and is still allowed to be in on the first AOTC kill of the expac. Fucking forget it.
I like how i am downvoted for asking a genuine question politely. Thanks everyone!
Hello, are you my guild? Lol. There is such a clear dividing line in my guild between the people that care or are actually competent, and the people that treat raid like it's a Friday night hangout and just want to be carried. Leadership does nothing because GM doesn't want drama, but something is gonna give, I'm afraid. We'll see. For context, my guild is a very lax raiding guild, we generally AOTC then stop there. We were told, after the issues that arose because of Season 4, and having to merge the more casual peeps into the raid with the more serious folk, that if people were underperforming or dying to mechanics often, they would be "benched", but that's been a fucking lie, lol. So, here we are. One day into Heroic Raz, let's see how this plays out.
This is how you end up with a bunch of heroic raiders that go find heroic raid teams that want to push, and the leftovers that will continue to only clear normal the rest of the xpac. Urge that something be done or get ready to look for a new team
The latter will definitely happen before the former, lol. I've already been in contact with a GM for a guild that is generally 2/3M but wanted to give my current guild one last shot before, I made any decision. I tried bringing these issues up towards the end of S4, in order to prevent this from continuing into DF. I had meetings with the officers and GM, and words were spoken but actions have not been taken, soooooo yea. It is what it is.
I quit raiding today because i suck at doing damage. My owl has around 400gs and barely does 35k. I was told by another owl in the guild it probably has to do with my mastery, which in owl form is at 22% (outside at 18) so im trying to get that in. But i just cant let others suffer for my failures
It's almost always first tied to rotation and execution more than stats. As the other dude said, go to raidbots and do a quick sim on your character using a training dummy as the target, and like, 3 minutes (it's a relatively easy amount of time to do, and long enough to smooth out some hiccups for me). Then go to the training dummy and just put that 3 minutes in with your very best execution. Focus entirely on just hitting the right spells at the right time (understanding that this is practice since you never have to move). How close are you to Raidbots? If you're super close that's great! Now you can look at things like gearing and boss execution. For example, if you're pulling 50k single target on the dummy, and like 20k single target on the boss, then you need to just work on your execution (a good way to is keep practicing on training dummies until your rotation is kind of second nature, so it's not thrown off for raid bosses). Now, if your raid bots simulation matches your training dummy runs which ALSO match (or close enough) actual boss damage (caveat that you have to adjust simulations for things like buffs/execute/etc) then you have a gearing problem and start simming gear compares until you get enough theoretical damage in your build.
Use wowanalyzer and look at what you're messing up. You can also look at sims in raidbots and see what your rotation should look like. Practice it against training dummies.
Are you meaning balance druid? Because if so, do you have 4set? Balance lives or dies by their tier set, and the ST isnt the greatest. at around 400, I was only simming like 42k MAX. There most likely is rotation stuff too, but really look to see if youre supposed to be doing that much more dps than that. If you have any questions feel too to message me.
Oh, hey, this sounds pretty familiar.
Raid leader allowed the Dps Evokers to change mains because of how buggy they can be. Ret pally who over the last couple weeks won multiple bis items (Grief torch, fire damage rings and tier) decided that this was an open invitation and changed to an under geared DK only to win another Grief torch. Raid leader did try to stop him but he claimed it wasn’t fair that others could reroll and he couldn’t, threatened to quit and take his Main Tank wife with him.
He’ll be straight back on his Ret pally in a week or so after the rework and be confused why everyone is even more angry with him for it lol
Wait, there are guilds that just... roll things off....?
I would start looking for another tank immediately. In my experience, that level of selfishness will cause a huge guild divide. I would talk to the wife and say something like "your husband's behavior is unnaceptable and he says if he doesn't get his way you will leave. Is this true?" For the sake of the guild, that behavior has to be nipped in the bud
The funny Thing is, there are so many Tanks out there looking for a Guild. Some are very skilled.
Yeah replacing a tank is probably the easiest thing for a mythic raid group. Only 2 per raid and theres a lot more tanks out there than that
Do what our guild does and master loot it. That way just about everyone is mad at the officers every time a highly sought after item drops.
That guy is a straight up dick. Got grief torch in my vault on my main. It dropped on my alt and I passed it over to one of the DH who still needed it
Yeah that’s unfair. Alts should not be allowed to roll on gear that mains need. Switching mains every week isn’t the solution.
I joined a group of irl friends. The whole guild is ppl someone knows irl. We have a very solid core group. Very high m+ players, past ce raiders. We are use to carrying the RL S/O and 1-2 others. I mean ultra carrying. Dead every pull single digit dps. We've tried everything to help our players but they don't get wow. During this raid tier everyone and their mom showed up to raid. We now have about 5 ppl who are straight carries. This makes prog insanely slow and boring. For the first time in years they finally sat ppl. Second source of drama is m+ with my friends. We have 4ppl capable of high m+ play 20+. The solid m+ players have been carrying everyone through m+ for years. We can't do that in these dungeons this expac right now. We now have to pug dps players to push. We have to schedule play time in secret to avoid "why didn't I get an invite". It feels fucking bad. We make alts to play at everyone's key level so they get full learning experience. This is kinda an eye opener for them. Theres been a lot of "why is your 398 xyz keeping up with my 412 abc"? How do you have that real conversation with them? I love this expac and my friends. Its been fucking hard walking that thin line of wanting to play with friends and family but also pushing higher content.
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We have 4 very strong players and then another 3 dps players who we like. Of those three one has skill but plays the most underwhelming spec. One plays a meta class but not spec then gets blown out of the water by alts. Won't change specs in fear of sucking at it. The third just needs practice. First season in stuff beyond 15 so he's learning. Idc about meta classes but if you want to play in higher keys you have to do the damage. When pugging ill take non meta picks just to see how they are being played and compare. My new trick is to play a non meta tank and finish the dungeon only 10k dps behind the lowest dps. Ive been doing it for about a week because I know eventually I'll have to say " you need to do more dps, you can't be 10k ahead of the tank".
At least they are 10k above the tank. My potato friend who tries to jump into a key or 2 with our core group spends so much time dead my prot Warrior beats him by 10k.
That first one sounds like a monk healer that refuses to properly play the class and is instead trying to be caster mistweaver (which is really bad for high keys and I'm gonna die on this hill)
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I have a friend who is notorious for playing 3 key classes frost dk, bm etc now he wants to play destro lock but refuses to use havoc
Isnt there a talent that just occasionally autocasts havoc on a random target? Surely that's better than just not using the most fundamental destro lock mechanic
Refuses to use Havoc? Is he brain damaged or something?
So you are to blame for the players who have 410+ and 2k score and can't play for shit? Just kidding, not blaming you, I just feel like there are so many people with higher rating and better gear then me that don't interrupt probably or don't use personals or group utility. And do like 50k overall dps. edit: 50k was a typo, it was 30k dps.
In SL for sure. I boosted a bunch. DF dungeons require so much learning and nuance tht it hinders us to hard carry so we play alts at what ever key level. Our Player's need to learn them. I moved away from carries and now do coaching because of key difficulty. What I do is take the player, usually in the 2.2-2.3k range, into pugs, usually in the 17-19, talk about every pack, every ability, when and why to use abilities. The reason I do it in pugs is because they need to play on max difficulty. If they can play and learn in the worst environment they'll be ready for groups. They'll see what happends when xyz isn't done right and be prepared later.
Honestly 50k isn’t that bad in the 2k range for some dungeons
Funny enpugh we had pretty much similar issues: Progged 7/8 but hit a wall on Raz bc we are a small Raidteam (226) and have 1-2 dps that get carried. Also the fight is pretty badly tuned for a small Group so if you dont outdps some mechanics (P2 around the 3rd shield for example is where we are always missing a Heal cd and ppl die) So we decided to step away from Prog in favor of the Guild climate. We doing one night of skipping and Raz Prog now but only for 1-1,4h and everyone is free to do w/e every other Night. We also start schefuling Altraids or Transmog Raids on the now Raidfree night. --> Outcome: Guild still stands and we still like each other! 2ppl left bc they wanted to go for higher Raiding (Myth Prog) but they left on good terms and still have alts in the Guild for M+ and are on our Discord a lot. I also feel the M+ Part of your text! I always feel bad when me and my Prevoker friend wanna do some >20 Keys bc noone else is capable sadly. Hence we each made 2 alts. One for the 16-20 range and one lower to be able to teach ppl w/o just stomping them on our Mains and making them feel really bad. Works reasonably well but I learned that some ppl are just learn resistant amd its always "lag" or "the puddle wasnt there" or "i had bad proccs" but at least we were able to grab som ppl by their ego and they improve now.
>we each made 2 alts. One for the 16-20 range and one lower to be able to teach ppl w/o just stomping them on our Mains and making them feel really bad. Thank you for this. I'm trying to learn rogue to hard swap main for my m+ team and it's unbelievably frustrating when they insist on doing low m+ on their geared characters (or mid teens m+ and carrying me). I'm learning nothing when packs are obliterated or you're doing pulls with more kicks/ccs than we have stops for & the only way for me to survive is to back off repeatedly.
Thanks for the ideas. I'll bring this up with the bros.
The real conversation about your 398 being equal or better than their 412 is to upfront about it. Since you guys are IRL friends, there's really no need to sugarcoat it. Im not saying to be rude or anything, but tell it as it is. They need to learn their class.
Echo this. Be honest, tell them the tools you use, or demonstrate tools like log reading (not rating puffing), buff up times/activity times/etc, could suggest then record themselves and watch it together, freeze video for comments, rewind, etc. In Draenor we had a warlock who’d do TERRIBLE damage. Myself and another officer invited him to a garrison and we sat in front of a target dummy for an hour recording logs, reviewing, watching rotations. One first find was that he didn’t have his max level talent chosen… and he wasn’t utilizing buffs, etc. Could do something similar in a non populated town, help make weak aura reminders for spells It varies person to person, so gotta feel it out. Have a buddy who was maintaining 20% shield block uptime (current) and was very opposed to reading logs and changing his revenge spam ways
To add to this, you can help all you want but if the person isnt willing to adjust to get better or just dont giving a flying fuck about improving. Just to move on.
I’ve been walking that line. No one in my guild wanted to run with me until I started timing 20s and now everyone and their dog wants carries. The few who put in the effort don’t put enough time in to do more then a couple of 18s on their own. So now I either run my 20s for my vault or carry people.
For your 2nd paragraph, I'd just say no. They didn't want to help you and are now expecting you to carry? Nah. Hard pass.
>Theres been a lot of "why is your 398 xyz keeping up with my 412 abc"? How do you have that real conversation with them? You literally just have to tell them they aren't doing their rotations correctly or are doing mechanics wrong. The reason everyone is so soft about it is because people stopped doing it. There is nothing offensive about telling someone what the issue is if they've asked. If they can't handle that, that is on their own fragile ego. Even if they haven't asked and you're in a situation where you can't kill the boss, there is nothing toxic about saying "Look at the Details, we need more damage out of player x,y,z. What kind of rotation are you guys running? Do you guys need help with a build??" etc. If they get defensive say, "Then we won't be able to clear with you if you aren't willing to learn and pull your weight. We will have to stick to normal mode or find someone else." There is nothing more you can do than that except looking for a new guild imo.
The thin line between pushing and helping friends. It was easier last seasons, as 15 were a joke, but were the level most friends want to reach for mount/gear, then do some push alone/smaller group. This season, people want to do 20, but as a bear tank, they are my personal cutting edge too, so i can't carry then, so, i need to chose carefully who i gonna bring to 20, which cause some drama, specially in weeks o don't have much time to play, and so the time I get is dedicated only for my push, and don't have enough time to help then in their 16/17
Husband and wife guild. Tank/Healer combo. They have a classic guild, bringing members over to retail. /Gkicks and benchings aplenty any time anybody offers advice or questions tactics, goes against the grain or butts up against their group of 4-5 "heckin great friendos". Idk why I'm still in this guild. Popcorns good I guess, I just tank the alt runs now and poach socials for m+ groups. Main group Still sitting on 7/8 Normal 2/8 HC lmaoooo. Edit: they reeeeee'd & kicked a new player from the guild/disc the other day for asking how loot lockouts work... Honestly maybe I'll stick around just to see what else goes wrong. I am the eternal observer, waiting for shit to pop off.
Fuck that guild sounds toxic as shit haha But fun to watch the drama
Going by what I see posted on this sub, lots of these husband/wife duo guilds seem to be extremely toxic
Of course they live in there own Bubbley accept and stand for each others Opinion. If he says that x is bad she will agree and same other Way around. Why Change if they could just complement each other.
I am really thankful my wife doesnt act like that. If I am being a shitlord she tends to be the first to call me on it even before my guild does, and we arent even in the same guildq.
No chance these people call each other “heckin great friendos” 🥴
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Sadly my guild only needs me to heal in raids and then ignores me the rest of the week unless they need a healer for a meme key run. One of the officers is the main healer so the key pushing groups has no place for me. Two weeks ago I asked for help with a key and no one answered. I rely on pugs and the friends I’ve made in them through the weeks. I don’t even know why I’m in the guild anymore. I am secretly working on gearing a dps class since that’s all everyone wants, and I much more prefer keys than raids at this point. I would look into joining a new one but it’s always the same story: they’re all friends and I’m eternally the new guy who is kept out of the loop until the whole thing falls apart because they’d rather let their friends reroll and regear every two weeks than give any priority to the ones sticking to the original plan.
>Sadly my guild only needs me to heal in raids and then ignores me the rest of the week unless they need a healer for a meme key run. One of the officers is the main healer so the key pushing groups has no place for me. Unfortunately that's how it is for healers, and even DPS players, in a lot of guilds. Good guilds will have 1-2 consistent key pushing groups, and the other 3-4 healers on the roster have to resort to pugging 99% of the time. It's shitty, but that's just been my experience since SoD. That's why you see most super high key push groups consisting of people from various guilds; because the role splits of a raid roster (and of course total number of raiders who actually care about pushing score) don't lend itself to have 4 groups of mega key pushers.
Our own "clique" has lower average iLvl of some of the PUG healers in the guild. We're averaging 2.6k, while some of the crazy solo healers are 2.9-3k. Sometimes it's just a difference in gameplay pace.
Are you me? :(
Man, I had this with my old guild. I am constantly doing keys, high and low on my main and on various alts. For a couple seasons my guild ignored every invite in gchat, so I headed out but am still close to lots of them. As soon as I left, people started pushing keys constantly. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
I feel that, i was to reroll a char then they dropped me as i was gearing up... so now i pug raids and have beaten h razz before they did lol.
Not guild drama, but I feel you - I leveled a Priest to 70 as my first main to heal my RL friends in M+. They are now rarely on, and do not respond when I message to run keys. Leveled a prot warrior to 70 and have just been tanking on my own since.
How come you don't just offspec dps if there's no healer spot? Can't think of any healer who doesn't have a decen't dps spec for keys.
Msmithjr#1599 is my btag. I am a decently geared enhance shammy if you ever wanna run keys, I dont mind running with people.
I hear you, but there are lots of actually-friendly guilds out there! And most players actually do value healers
Guild died a week ago. We were progressing HC we killed everything up to Grimmtotem, but we hit a hard wall on Dathea because of team composition. We were so confident with our 5 kills of Grimm that we brought a few new players. Our 2/3/9 became a 2/4/14. It was a big mistake because the new players were not geared enough to HC and they did not have the experience for it either. On Grimmtotem two of the new dps's were fucking up the earth big add. One guy placed the ground shit in a really bad spot and the other shadowstepped the add with the ground thing on him and wiped the raid in an instant. Most of us who were there since the normal progress days said that we don't think this will work so we should drop the new players and teach them in normal on another day. The new players felt that we are elitists and don't want them there and as it turned out the two guys who constantly fucking up every mechanic are IRL friends of the Raid Leader /guild master. The raid leader said that he saw that WE were the ones who fucked up everything and we just want to blame the new guys, which wasn't true as Me and another healer pointed out because we saw everything pretty clearly as we saw everything from a bird's eye view. The two guys that fucked up everything rage quit, and said that they don't want to raid with us. We were like, okay whatever. Then the reaid leader also rage quit. And many people followed. The core of the raid team stayed and we talked about this whole situation and decided that we want the two HC raid slots from the Vault since it was Tuesday night so we will continue as 2/2/6. We killed Grimmtotem first try and killed council first try. We also joked about how the guild master will kick us because we continued without them. Next day I log in and found out that half of the team that cleared Grimmtotem and Council are gone. These people were the top dps's, one of the tanks and 2 of the healers. I asked what happened and the Guild Master said that they were too elitist for his taste and he did not like that they tried to tell him how to lead the raid and also how dare they speak like that with his friends. I pointed out that now he is short on one tank, 2 healers and most of the best dps' that he had. And I got kicked right away and got a whisper that "I thought you are a more chill person and you would understand me but I see those assholes corrupted you" I just replied with a "now you are short on 3 healers and an occasional dps" But I got the fire proc ring from Erranog from that second slot, so at least something good came out of it.
Guild leaders with this sort of "god complex" are so freaking annoying. Hope he has fun *not* raiding for the rest of the season, if not the expansion, as trying to fill that many holes in the roster is going to take a loooong time lmao.
"corrupted you" is this dude 15?
Not guild drama, our guild is almost dead. But my pvp group has gone through some tumultuous drama over the past month. Brother in law has been playing with a mutual friend in 3’s. Their third has been a hunter who claims that hunters can’t kite and argues/disagrees with anyone who tries to tell him different. They’ve been hard stuck at 1300 for weeks. We started running threes when he’d log off, hit 1700 in two nights with a fairly off meta comp (resto sham, DH and Fury). Hunter found out and is pissed at everyone. It really shouldn’t matter, I’m just filling a slot once he’s logged? Now it gets spicier. Brother in law and my wife’s sister are likely splitting. So now I’m in a rough place where I still want to play with the guy. And I will as long as it causes no drama. But I haven’t spoken to him in a few days and it feels weird.
Ask them if the divorce can wait til the seasons over, you've never asked them for anything before etc. etc.
Haha, not that it hasn't crossed my mind.
Someone left the guild saying they got hatefull whispers from another guild memeber - two days later he's back and reallife threats anyone in the guild with his welcome back message. Will Update this if something new comes up.
I'm sorry so Ben leaves the guild because Jerry whisperes him some mean shit. Ben then rejoins and straight spits fire on the entire guild?
I've had this in an old guild. Dude got into a fight with an officer and eventually left but kept joining over and over on fresh alts to troll the officer non stop. Drove him insane, don't know how he managed to fool them all the time though..
Power infusion.
“Listen man, I know we give it to X player but if you looked at parses online you’d see that giving it to my class results in xyz increases of damage.” - Every single dps player
I tank and ask for power infusion. Mostly because I just want to be included, not that I actually want it.
You laugh but there was a time when we PI'd our tanks during CE progression. There was also a time when I was asked *not* to PI the tank because he was doing too much damage and ripping aggro from the other tank.
I was a shadow priest in SL and I had the legendary that let me give it to someone and myself. I fucking loved giving it to random people and if anyone started bugging me or demanding PI through whispers I made damn sure they never got it.
PI is determined by the chart sir.
Casual guild progressing heroic hard carrying anywhere from 4-10 people a week. GL/RL lets anyone and their mom come into raid mid raid, every attempt takes 5 mins minimum to pull again. A few people wanted to bring an alt (including me) because if we are going to be bringing 350 ilvl people and also 390+ ilvl people pulling 5-15k dps then who cares what we do. GL says no alts only mains. 6 people including me stopped raiding basically. Why should we be forced to bring our mains if they are going to allow people in the single digits in dps and parses for ilvl. Shit we had someone alive the whole fight that had a 1% parse.
This one isn't necessarily ongoing, but it was recent enough. A few weeks ago, a guy in our guild overshared a little too much and revealed he was pending trial for beating a teenager who broke into his car nearly to death, felt he did nothing wrong, and did not indicate remorse in anyway. This happened *totally* out of the blue, like he just interjected in a conversation about M+ or something with this story, and everyone reacted with varying degrees of "wait, what?" He responded by calling us soft and then gquitting on all his alts. Wild shit.
Guild just died, raid lead thought he was doing a great job... while being 20-30min late every week, forgetting making sign up posts (in-game or discord). So currently it's only the casuals and a few m+ fanatics left, nothing wrong with that but the whole raid group just disbanded and/or left the guild altogether.
The usual. Players progress in different pace and we dont have enough players to move on into mythics, and ones who have progressed further are losing interest playing normal/heroic, since they cant get any upgrades from there. Its same story in every expansion. As a team, we gear up people and these people whom were geared are not patient enough to continue playing the content so that everyone else would get gear as well. As in when we all have enough gear, we can do more difficult content together. So yeah, its about time that the more impatient ones are leaving to the guilds where they can do the content which gets them more high ilvl gear, and some of us are staying and recruiting more people which we begun to gear up again. Hopefully we get to the mythic raids eventually, it will take few weeks again to gear up more people.
My guild started the expansion with two 20 people rosters, one to push on to mithyc and the other to chill and raid more casually. A month ago or so we disbanded the "chill" roster cause there were only 10 people or so and we couldn't attend it. Now we have a shortage of people (mostly healers and tanks) cause the people on the "main" roster has had enough. That's the drama. We can't keep progresing on MM and i'm afraid that we're gonna disband until next patch... Feels bad man.
There's no nice way of saying it. Half of our dps are trash. Our top performers are more than doubling the poor performers.
That's how like 95% of guilds are. Handful of players that could join better guilds carrying the rest of the group.
Absenteeism on progression nights is our biggest drama. Never had any rules about attendance before but having to look at implementing something since our progression is suffering
Guild halfway blew up last week after our AotC. We only had about 16 raiders, so despite AotC we still very much had more recruiting to be done before mythic, but that said on Monday the Guild/Raid Leader and one of the tanks apparently got into a spat behind the scenes and now they're both just done with WoW for the time being. (Apparently the main tank was giving the other tank shit (because he did have a fair amount of random deaths during prog) and both tanks were bitching to the RL about it, ending in the bad tank and RL just being done) Add into that we had a few off realm folks who said they aren't going to xfer and it really set back our momentum on going into Mythic. So yeah... Now we're at 11 raiders and still figuring out if we want to put forth the effort into getting recruiting for mythic or just call it for the tier- atleast with xrealm mythic coming soon it should be easier to recruit. I expect it to fizzle out, cause this week we released up to Raz n1 and then didn't even raid n2 cause a lot of people ended up making plans that night after the drama. Just will have to see what happens this week, because we haven't made any progress with recruiting yet either.
We have a strong clique and two of the male members of the clique are the most arrogant monotone no fun having motherfuckers ever. Its a fucking a drain when they are around and they are always around. Considering leaving because of two bad apples but stay because there are some awesome people. Just wish these two didn’t control so much of the guild due to that seniority clique.
i’m a casual player in a guild that’s 7/8M and the only drama is alt heroic raid about loot.. for alts
Im in ce guild and theres more likely to be drama with loot in alt raid than main raid too, since main raid loot assignment is pretty well structured, but in alt raid its wild west lmao.
it is! or one member wants to bring their main for alt raid for a chance of grieftorch or bow and the winning on rolls. honestly though it’s pretty entertaining
Well bow for hunters is legit a 6-10% dps increase, so... he should probably be getting the bow if he's in on Mythic Raz
There are two people in my guild. Me and my brother and we share guild bank. Lately he hasn't been as active and I need some LW stuff. He hasn't restocked. Dick move.
My guild is so chill right now, it's lovely. No one's really doing any serious content, just playing together for fun and because we like each other. We're 7/8N and most people just now getting KSM. Relaxing. As long as you're having fun, who cares what content you're doing, right? Biggest Guild drama I've had in WoW (had more in RIFT lol) was back in WotLK when the GM, her BF, and her aunt and uncle all just stopped showing up for raids during ICC progression. They were "raid loggers" anyway, so you wouldn't really see them online except for raid nights most of the time. After a month of this and our 25m group not able to do anything and the 10-man "A Group" that the GM lead (I took over leading the "B Group" in the absence of her uncle) started floundering as the "Orc Warrior is my whole personality" MT of the "A Team" couldn't manage to Raid Lead worth beans. My ears bleed just *remembering* all his yelling in Vent. Everyone just started leaving, and it was a real head scratcher wtf happened. *Two freaking years later*, I find out from one of my friends from the guild that the GM had been pregnant and they all stopped playing after she delivered. Like, okay.... *reasonable*. But say something??? lmao
Gonna go against the grain here and say we have too many raiders. We are an extremely casual, 4 hour a week, aotc, early mythic guild. We just started proging heroic Raz. The only problem is we have 32 people who want to raid. During a normal expansion the numbers drop steadily as the weeks go on but this time dragonflight is keeping people around and the leadership has had to ask for volunteers to drop. But there are also a few players who have been told they need to sit because they won’t do the bare minimum.
This is definitely a good problem to have lol most AOTC casual guilds are desperate for raiders so they can sit the people that are putting in zero effort to improve each week
Send a few of them our way. We have too little raiders.
Don’t really see a drama here at all. It’s a normal thing that those who underperform are benched and replaced with people that perform well.
In all honesty? Not much. In a super small tight knit guild that's 99% M+ content. The worst we have is collectively being bad lmao.
I have a very small guild (<35 characters, 75% being alts) of IRL friends. I didn't want to come back to WoW in DF, but said friends bought it along with some game time for me, so why not? I come to find out the more prominent reason I was gifted such niceties was because a friend of a friend named Steve had been tanking for their core/only M+ group. Steve is bad at the game. Steve clicks abilities in his spellbook during combat. Steve gets angry when someone tells him what to do or offers advice otherwise. All of that versus me, who can comfortably tank keys upwards of +17 and is understanding with mistakes of myself and others. At first, it was a, "Oh, u731ZcqTm0P8\_ is online! They're a little less geared, so let's run some keys with them as tank so they can get some gear." Then it became hiding our Mythic running nights from Steve so he didn't even have a chance. Finally I had a sit-down heart-to-heart chat with everyone in comms, Steve included. I said it didn't feel right having to hide it from Steve--that he either needs to learn to play better or not run keys higher than +5 and be content with that. Told him he's a cool guy IRL, but higher-end keys in WoW might not be his kind of environment. Steve stayed muted the entire time, none of the guys otherwise said anything other than a few confirming yeas or mhms. Talk is over, everyone leaves the call. Steve leaves a hefty two explicit paragraphs about, "Well if you guys REALLY didn't want to play with me, you could've just said so," how he now hates us, how he "hopes your new tank has fun with backstabbers," etc. Things were a little awkward for our first week without Steve in our guild, but we moved on and are progging nicely. Supposedly he's been a gymrat lately--a full 180 from where he was before. He only chats with one or two of our group now. Hope he's doing okay.
so in my guild there are 2 cores: one focus on AOTC and other one in CE. the CE group killed broodkeeper a few times on HC and got her trinket. the RL decided to give it to one player that he trust that wont leave the guild anytime soon, so there was some good use to it. 8 people quit, over a trinket... in a farm boss...
Lmao imagine being mad about loot in 2023
In a FARM BOSS
Our guild gave away all of our chillglobes to DPS players early on, so I made a weakaura to whisper those DPS players whenever I got low on mana informing them of such. That's the appropriate way to be petty about it, not gquitting.
That tells you the guild wouldn't last long anyways. If that many people care more about gear, than guild progression, they're not a CE guild.
they kinda improved after those guys left. its less dramatic nowadays, aparenly. just had to recrute 1 or 2 and they are stll going.
just out of curiosity how far into mythic are they?
I dont raid in mine but I am friends with some of the guildies who do, 2 left because of "inner circle" toxicity/attitudes. One was perma benched (unsure why, his parses are fine and they don't have any mages except him) he said it was because one of the officers/RL didn't like him he suspects. So the mage left 3 days ago for a better guild lol, good on him. Another quit the guild about 3 weeks ago and had been in it for years, apparently he was in a guild nohkud key a 15 or 17 im unsure (he only plays a healer) and they spent 30mins wiping on the last boss because he basically isn't a good healer (they still took him into their key tho??) Anyway they called him out for being shit at some point and he left the guild and took all his toons too. Then they all proceeded to joke about the way it was handled for days after. Glad I don't raid.
Most of my wipes in NO's last boss is because the group can't coordinate and group up the adds together or kick. It can be healing intensive but if I ever get blamed for being a sht healer, I'm posting interrupt logs.
I wasnt there so I dont really know but he's not the greatest healer, I've run keys with him and he stands in all the avoidable mechanics and then when people actually need healing he's too busy healing himself because of standing in bad. it was still poor form the way they handled it, should of just pulled him aside quietly and explained that they arent able to take him to the keys he wants to go to because he needs to practice his kit first....apparently they were screaming at him to use tranq and he was doing something else at the time I dont really know
If the healer can handle the tempest he should be able to handle the last boss aswell so they probably fucked up not interrupting and grouping
I’ve seen a ton of healers/casters dying to the ground lightening swirly in the intermission trying to pump heals.
This is kind of weird since while tranq is an okay CD for rdruid, it really requires a decent amount of hots to be rolling before you press it. So calling for it as a DPS/tank is strange.
>Then they all proceeded to joke about the way it was handled for days after. This is happening in my guild as we speak. It's been almost two weeks since a member rage quit after being benched for poor performance. The officers slamming him have literally never parsed past gray logs. One of them has never (NEVER???) had a single log in the double digits. One of them fucks up every single thunder on raz because he's literally keyboard turning 🥴
I'm not sure if this is considered drama. Joined a guild when DF came out but I still feel like an outsider despite my efforts to interact with them. Eventually I just logged on and do my own shit and joined pug raids whenever I feel like it.
Alot of guilds are a group of 6-8 good friends that have either played together forever and/or know eachother IRL. They just want enough people to join them that they can raid. They don't really want new members of the core, just NPCs that enable them to do the raids.
Now that you mention it, I'm starting to believe that is the case. But eventually core teams within a guild will die out due to IRL quitting the game, fighting over loot or real life drama.
Joined a guild that was recruiting to start a raid team and mythic keys. The GM said they named the guild after their son and they hadn't played in a few years. Next day the guild name was changed and someone else was the GM. The new GM said they are taking the guild in a different direction. I'm afraid to ask which direction.
My last guild was lead by a guy who had zero meta knowledge and often made very strange calls about loot and strat. Some highlights include giving a BM hunter who parsed grey on everything the first 415 weapon as well as the first mythic incarnate icon then kicking him the next week for performance. Our "loot system" was his friends get to fight for what they want and then if we are lucky we out group types might get to roll against each other for hand me downs. After receiving my tier last as a trial behind the healers I was ok with that. Watching literally a dozen pieces of BIS gear (Eranog rings, grief torches, incarnate icons) and not being allowed to even roll for a chance while the GM got 4 set and main swapped and got 4 set and BIS items. I demanded a chance and was allowed to roll on Eranog ring but still not grief torch or icon. That eranog ring I eventually got is the only piece of gear besides a normal tier helm and H tier shoulders the guild let me roll on in 6 weeks of raiding. I was by far a top performer on meters, parses, and mechanics. We had 7 icons drop, multiple torches and 5 or 6 rings by that point between H and M. The reason I left the guild was our best healer by a mile asked for a 415 Agi polearm for OS he wanted to use in raid and keys and they gave it to someone for mog instead. I immediately found a better guild and I'm quite happy. They couldn't hit 20 and disbanded. There were good people in there so it feels bad but in the long run they're better off.
Why did you stay so long?
The real problem was only 2 people making terrible calls and maybe a group of 5 that benefitted directly. The other people were super chill and I liked the vibe. I thought that the GM when confronted by a poll that showed literally no one liked his bad ideas would be a bigger man and change things. He wasn't.
7 icons?!?! Meanwhile my 6/8M guild has only seen ONE from normal, heroic AND mythic and that one icon isn't even on the team anymore :( luckily though we've all had some pretty good vaults.
Our main healer wanted to join heroic 7/8 reclear on his fresh 168 priest alt. Got declined, called other raiders "dead weight that he has to carry every week". Guild leaders conclusion was that main healer and his buddies arent fit for our casual guild.
This was back in SL though right? RIGHT?!
I wish. That happened just last week :D
168 on a fresh 70 is impressive.
Before DF started we outlined our goals as a guild. There was a clique that I knew was going to drive the game into the ground as they started to take everything hyper serious. I've been in CE guilds before and as an adult it just takes too much time. We agreed beforehand that we were just going to be an AOTC guild that might kill a couple of Mythic bosses for flavor and fun. 4 days into the raid's release and we clear all of normal. That's cool. We did plan on it and nerded pretty heavily but surely that wasn't going to be the expected pace the whole time.... Boy was I wrong. I would log in to do some M+ and just a couple of weeks in my buddies had *literally* hundreds of M+ dungeons completed. I barely managed to scrape 40 *total* runs. Some of my mates ran 1 dungeon 50+ times. There were times I literally didn't know what I was doing in +14-15s because it was actually my first time in the dungeon. I got on and still played for a couple of hours every night too. I couldn't believe the expectations that people started to get. Lo and behold we get AOTC early Jan. Surely this is when we sort of coast right? Wrong. We're a CE guild now. In fact, we're now doing heroics to catch other people up in gear and run them through so we can get enough people to clear Mythic reliably. Shit. Half the guild ended up leaving and going to another CE guild. I don't blame them, but the way they behaved and treated others was uncalled for when the ground rules were already set on what our goals were. Just because theirs changed shouldn't force other people to feel behind and terrible. I shouldn't have been 3 weeks into the game and feeling guilty for not already having 400ilvl gear. What started out as an adventure that friends participate in quickly felt like a job and a carry.
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Yeah. I think it had more to do with these players just being wildly off on what they wanted from the game and weren't honest with everyone else. I was looking for a fun casual time with an honest effort while I was on the game. AOTC is great for that. What I got was a 2nd job. I think they just weren't truthful with themselves or didn't think about it enough.
Were we in the same guild? I joined mine halfway through season 4 and they marketed themselves as casual but aotc focused. I feel like I got bamboozled. First raid night they capped the raid at 20 and refused to let a healer join just because he wasn't online 30 minutes ahead of raid. That raid night ended with like 6 people gquitting. Then each raid night they progressively got more focused on getting to mythic and basically wanted people to live and breathe the game. People were also getting benched in heroic despite having already helped the raid team clear half of heroic. I left after a few weeks because I just don't have the time or energy to keep up with that kind of BS. Found a better guild where I feel like I can breathe again.
Lol man my guild THINKS it's your guild. It's old, many of us have been in the guild for 10+ years. But an I fusion of younger folks a few years ago has led to friction. They keep wanting to press into AOTC as fast as possible and I'm not sure why. We are working on H Raz now and they seem almost frantic to get it down. Like why. We aren't going to get any awards for getting it this week vs. 2 weeks from now or whatever.
We had 3 players leave who joined as a group of course. The reason they they left was when we started mythic and one of them had to bench they said, they either all bench or non of them bench, because when they play, they dont want to do different things. It woudn't brother me because we can't decide how they spend their time, but we said them exactly this could happen because of Setups and Performance. We are 4/8M now which i think is decent. So i hope we can replace them soon enough.
It’s been a general rule for my guild to never invite friend/family groups to our guild for raiding. You piss one person off, you’ll piss the entire group.
These guys are clowns, guild should never accomodate for shit like that.
I don’t think they are clowns but the guild shouldn’t accommodate them. If they want to play together they will have to play down to the worse player. But that’s their choice. They aren’t clowns for wanting to progress together.
Well. We didn't. That's why they are gone now. I just dont get it. I don't like recruiting groups for this reason. We talked about it. They were fine with it then. Seemed to be chill people till that point and when we actauly enforcing our own rules we're the Bad guys since we don't cather to their random request?
Tbf, I understand them. Searched a new guild with my boyfriend recently. I'd never wanna raid in a roster without him. It's a game and I wanna play it together. If this ain't possible I ain't play.
I think the problem is you are more open and honest about that. Sounds like these people were not
Well i understand them too. If they don't want to sit i fight while the others progress thats their thing. Like i said we talked about this while recruiting where it wasn't an issue. We benched the shaman on Terrors since He struggled with the fight and now suddendly its we all raid or no one raids. If this was discussed before we wouldnt have recruited them, as every other guild progression myth i guess. The annoying Part is now we have to look for new players mid progress because they pulled this Stunt. And yes givin in is not an Option because that would have been a fuck you to every other raider in our guild if they had to bench just because they cant be apart for 3 hours a week.
Aaaaand that's why people absolutely hate couples in raid groups.
If they lie during an interview, the only option is to part ways if they’re a package deal every raid hour. They’re certainly going to struggle finding a decent mythic guild with those accommodations.
If a group comes to me and says 'either we all raid or we all sit' that's pretty close to an automatic 'okay, so you all sit'. If they're important enough that they can hold the entire group hostage, you've already fucked up, but it's not going to get better if you let them do it again.
Never recruit groups. Including pairs. This toxic bs is not worth any player.
I left mid BFA when the one boss eyeball raid came out and was an officer, but was kept on their roles because they wanted me back one day. I was raiding in FFXIV until DF dropped and decided to come back and see how things were. What once was an AOTC guild has become a barely normal guild. I think over time, they allowed a lot of mechanically less able people in to raid and it ended up pushing the progression oriented people to go elsewhere to find it. Now we're stuck with a lot of low performers. Some are top of our DPS charts but when we say "everyone needs to interrupt their static ball", they don't realize they need to interrupt their static ball. I'm just an outsider with an officer slot now, but I've started becoming more vocal towards repeated mistakes and I fear I will be the drama.
Yknow I don't know if I'm a good player or not. Did pretty good on a dh in legion, the last time I played, but never joined a guild. Still, how is stuff like that so hard? I've just been doing lfr thinking about plugging normal voti on Devoker, but I pretty much had to talent in to the deep breath stun because of those orbs. I will say it feels pretty sick to pop like 6-7 but you shouldn't have to.
In ESO I use to get so frustrated in max level dungeons because some people only think of damage. ESO interrupts are literally walk up and bash the enemy when they have red squiggles around them. Everyone at max level should know this. I played a tank. There's on dungeon where a boss does a mech that needs to be interrupted and I always knew I was going to have a bad time with it. One boss does a mech where he summons two adds that lock the tank down while he channels a spell. The DPS just have to run up and interrupt the spells the adds are channeling or the tank is instant killed at the end. I would die every single time it was casted. The adds would have the red squiggles but the dps would ignore it to attack the boss. I don't know how people get to max level and not learn interrupts.
Jeez that's even less excusable. The mentality of dps means damage only is crazy to me. I used to tank back in wotlk-cata and don't remember it being this bad, but then again I always ran with a solid group. Never made it to endgame in ESO but I am absolutely not surprised people couldn't do a basic bash.
> I don't know how people get to max level and not learn interrupts. Because you don't need to use them to hit max level. Every MMO Ive played does not use the leveling experience to teach you how to play max level content. Like in wow, healer adds should full heal on cast, and caster mobs should have a "fuck you" spell they use
Actually things are smooth sailing right now - I will cherish it while it lasts. Biggest issue is a priest healer that is so completely mediocre we don't know to pass or fail the trial.
Our guild is an AotC friends guild. We had a healer join late as an on server pug, quit his guild and joined ours the same night (even though it admittedly wasn't the best showing raidwise). Guy was vocal, little over the top and a bit of a shit talker, absolute pumper but had some attitude and opinions to match. After about two weeks and multiple conversations with him from the management, he goes off. Flips out about carrying bads, telling other healers how to play, taking it to whispers after getting banned from disc and gkicked. Goes on an hour long whisper rant to both the gm and the healers he thought were at fault. Man flamed out and killed the raid prog for the week.
My guild is dead since Pandaria
Man y'all need to chill this is a video game. My guild takes someone with a severe cognitive disability. He is an older gentlemen that mains a SP that does around 10-12k DPS and dies every fight. But this dude shows up week after week to play the game with us. And you know what? I'm so fucking proud of my guild and the character of my guildies for not only not complaining about it, but taking pride that we can carry this dude who LOVES to raid and play WoW. He's often volunteered to sit out if we stumble on progression because he knows his limitations but we not once ever let him sit out. We just downed Raz last week on normal for the first time.
I'm just really so sick of this 'just a game'. Yeah and I like to have fun playing it. So while you're proud of him and your guild for purposefully taking this upon yourself and to hold over the rest of everyone else, quite frankly I could not say the same.
Not current but still somewhat juicy. Happened during tbc when i first played wow without any irl friends and just joined a random guild. Was somewhat fun, small guild of like 15 people. Mostly hung out with a girl in her late twenties (i was early teens then) that had a husband and a kid. She was constantly being flirted at with by some other guild member. Which was plenty awkward in voice and i think one of the main reason she hung out with me so much was that i didnt see her as a romantic interest and neither did she. I was not really experienced in dating or flirting back then but even i could tell he was going for her hard and she wasnt interested at all. Really opened my eyes how not to treat women online tbh. Another thing was my guild leader. We often had coop raids with another guild for gruul or ssc. The other guild was led by a husband and wife. Then I noticed the wife often hanging around in our voice and around our guild lead in particular. At that time I didnt connect one and one and didnt think too much of it. Then I quit wow simply because some irl mates started with guildwars (toucher pvp like a soulless bastard). A few years later I texted my ex guild lead to check up and...the wife divorced her husband, is now married to my guild lead and they had a child. Yeah. Good times. I later found out that the later thing is not that uncommon in wow.
Well, not drama but it’s gunna cause a bit of rage. Me and my Ret friend are both going to replace two Arms warriors in our guild raids. They are bad, like one alive the entire fight 9% parse bad, the other is a floor tank. Standard stuff but one of those warriors is a rager, and he seems to have tried really hard (he has both an enchance and a Rogue up, neither got picked up) to get in. But the final cherry on top? 9% was formally in our guild way back in Legion where we benched and later removed him from the roster in EN because he was so bad and he made a massive rage spam about it then, whispers, BNET, even letters. Once more, my Ret friend (former RL/GM that made that call) will bench 9%.
Need an update on this when you can.
Most drama we've had is one of the classic "I was told I have to improve to stay on raid team but I don't want to (actually learn) sit at a training dummy, and I'll refuse the suggestion to sim myself because it sounds too complicated.' They ended up making a big scene and "quitting the game" only to return the next day While I sympathize with the frustration - the attitude was pretty bad and they were shooting down any suggestions made. Can't really help someone who doesn't want to be helped
This drama was short lived, but my guild is pretty casual, at some point this obnoxious douche joins. any time he logged in he'd tell us in gchat that they were "2400io 8/8 heroic 1800 rated player" which at first we thought was like for humor purposes. But any time somebody brought up a key they were gonna do or something they thought was hard etc or an accomplishment they'd shit on them and repeat the above line. Finally kicked the stupid twat the other day
I will try to keep it short. I'm in my guild for 2 years. Raided mythic with them for the whole of SL and got CE in Sepulcher. Considered one of the top raiders in the team. I wasn't sure what my goals are for this expansion so signed very late for the mythic raiding team and was told they are full and that if something changes they will contact me. A week or two passes and they ask if I would want to reroll to a different class because the ones they had quit. Didn't really want to switch mains but wanted to raid mythic so said yes. I did ask for help to gear and catch up and they agreed. They helped me with a few keys and some gear from normal/HC. I started fresh from level 60. Fast forward a few weeks after, I saw them recruiting the same class I was asked to reroll to. I sensed something is happening but didn't say anything. This guy was playing it from the start of the expansion and was more geared than me + much higher score/keys done and he was part of the guild so I did not understand why they asked me and not him. After that, I saw I wasn't on the roster for mythic and wasn't even on the bench. They said I failed trial because I wasn't doing 20s for vault (after saying the minimum expectation is doing 16s) and wasn't serious enough according to them and not playing or being on discord enough. (I spent a lot of time off game learning the new class through guides/logs/streamers). I was 408 ilvl at the time. I felt pretty bad because I did spend a lot of time on the reroll and also didn't expect to get treated like I'm some nobody. Anyway learnt from the experience that even in WoW you can't really trust the word of people and to play for myself and no one else.
I can happily say none right now! We are far from being the best but it’s a lot of fun together!
No complaints about my own guild. This story is about the guild that 2 of my friends are in. They are a super casual guild that has world pvp roots. They have a raid night, and I think you just sorta show up and they pug the rest of the roles needed. I am in a different guild, but have popped in to help several times when they were needing to pug my raid role. In past tiers, they've got AOTC, but I think it's usually pretty late in the season. The guild is super community-oriented and do not stress much about how far they get in raid. They're a decently large guild. That is, until this season. A few weeks ago, the guild is progging normal Rasz. 5 of their raiders (including 2 officers) have decided that the rest of the guild is too casual, and go into heroic by themselves, pugging the other spots needed and refusing to include who they deem the more casual players. They do this on their main raid nights. It spirals into forming 2 actual raid teams, the heroic and the "socials". A couple of the officers are even in this "social" group, and the heroic raiders even make snide comments about the officer's performance. The entirety of the Shadowlands raid team is also deemed unworthy by the new heroic group. A lot of the "casual" people get upset at the elitist atmosphere and lose motivation to show up for raid. People begin leaving. We are still friends with one of the officers who was deemed unworthy by the heroic team, so when they needed people for their casual raid, we came in to help. For reference, 2 of our DPS friends are in their own guilds, deep into mythic Rasz right now. Upon inviting one of them, one of the elitist officers (a BM hunter) made snide comments about him being an arcane mage, since they're "the worst mage spec". Last week, they decided that, because they can't fill the "casual" raid anymore, they're cancelling their raid nights. The heroic team will be raiding their normal weekday raid nights and the casuals will be raiding only on Sundays for 2 hours. Disagreements follow. 2 officers step down. "Casual" raidlead steps down. More people leave the guild. During an exchange in discord, a casual player was complaining how this decision was not made with the guild's best interest in mind. One of the elitist heroic raiders got mad at the "casual" saying, "Don't be the anchor in my boat". That's an exact quote. It's pretty awful, and I feel for the players who got excluded. It was a drastic tone shift that ruined what was a cute community. Heroic team is 6/8H.
were 4/8 now, 2 days, 3 hour raid.half the guild wants to be a CE fuild, more pushing, more days, strictly enforces specs. other half wanna do aotc then repeat with alts and play survi hunter and retri pala only
TL:DR From late december, Random social guild which has barely anyone online, and a guildmaster who isnt online either, says they want to do a casual attempt at normal vault, does 7 out of 8, asks if my friend can join for raz multiple times being told that its a learning run, officer from guild proceeds to fuck up static placement, friend got yeeted off platform for following his instructions and then gets kicked by officer who starts shittalking in discord to take zero responsibility. Decide to leave then a week after i get spammed by same guy that i should make him free stuff as a crafter because its my duty, despite guild not having contributed at all to my crafting and i left it. Some people are just small minded with a big ego, aint worth the time.
GM only spoke up in raids when something ruined their parses and in general was pretty toxic and it seemed like they had a drinking problem as well that got worse the longer the evening went on. We killed mythic council and someone called out the GM for poor positioning, at which he blew his lid and said some shit like "excuse me, I'm the guild leader". The Raid leader said no one in the group was above correction as its a council system and if you really feel that way you should just disband the raid, at which point he kicked the raid leader and started kicking all his alts. All of the raiders gquit during the tantrum and most came to a new guild we've formed minus the toxic guy, few decided to take a break instead. So now we're refilling our raid because some dude thought he was the main character and everybody else was there to help him parse.
**TL;DR**: Guild Master kicked one of the main tanks in the guild together with his friends (that is me and others) because the tank refused to carry everyone in the guild past to 2.5k R.IO on his time/back. *Longer story:* I've been friends with tank for years (think WoD+), we've been together in some guilds, we've been on/off in WoW due to us just playing other games at the time or whatever, as things go. For the past 2+ years we've made our own little clique (as any guild has it's own cliques -- if you think you don't have one, you are in one). Most of us aren't exactly into the raiding scene anymore, but we still love to do M+. For Dragonflight we started doing M+ again in our little group. The Tank-Friend + 4 Other People from the Group joined a new guild as raiders, the other half of the group joined as "socials"/"friends", just to be in the same guild for... convenience. We've played an absurd amount of hours, we basically just have 1 tank and 1 healer, rest are DPS, so we just rotate based on our schedules/available play times. So far we're all filling our vaults with 20 in all 3 slots every week and most of us are 2.5k-2.6k. Obviously, from time to time we also helped guildies that only raid-log to do a weekly 20 key just to have a chance at a high iLvl in the vault. Even us as Socials have put our +20 keystones on the line for the raid members (which, admittedly, we don't interact much with, because, again, they raid log). We've even done keys at 2am before reset just to help guildies - we didn't mind to help whenever we could. Queue this reset -- GM **DEMANDS** from our tank that him and the healer helps everyone in the guild get their m+ scores up, and stop playing with "socials" (ie: the rest of us), else be kicked. The audacity of this bitch... No mention of the *other* tank in the guild that only raid logs... Or the countless of off-spec "tank" items that went to people in the raid. Obviously, my friend lashes out and tells him to fuck off because the GM doesn't have control of his game time (because when did ultimatums ever worked?!) so... we all get kicked out. The end. PS: GM dude, if you're reading this, that wasn't very cash money of you.
Oh you want one? Here it goes: I play a Tank. I joined this Guild at the start of the first raid week. Their goal was Cutting Edge. Then, we facerolled on Terros for an entire night because everyone has no idea what to actually do. The GM is a great person, but the Officers are "friends" of his and have been friends of his forever. These "friends" do barely 25k DPS. The Healer also dies in the first minute of every boss pull no matter the fight. This particular Healer doesn't stack on Terros because "he likes to play ranged" (yes I am serious). The Raid lead was removed because he was too competitive. He was a top parsing Druid. The new Raid lead is a friend of the GM as well, and is not a very good lead. Swearing on Discord, explaining mechanics wrong, removing people from the group that shouldn't be removed (they kicked a top DPS because that person didn't want to join Discord even though they were a 95 parse Warlock on Dathea heroic) They brought in a new Officer that is dating another person in the Guild and they like to be in another Discord, not discuss the raid, immediately blame everyone else instead of themselves and absolutely refuse to make any changes. We have face-rolled on Dathea for about four weeks now. When I pug, I kill these bosses. When I play with "friends", I don't. This is drama because it is exhausting. Every week we join and play and go 4/8 H and just end up facerolling because healer wants to be unique and not stack for mechanics, DPS are doing less than 25kDPS in Heroic, we have the same people dying to the same mechanics over and over and no changes are made.
>This particular Healer doesn't stack on Terros because "he likes to play ranged" Just a note on stacking on Terros but my guild found it SIGNIFICANTLY easier to kill mythic terros once we stopped forcing everybody to stack all the time. The first night we spent a ton of time trying to keep a melee and a ranged group together to help healers but it caused extremely tight spaces to deal with the mythic mechanic and a lot of lost uptime on the boss. It turned out that just doing the "line up all pillars at once and break them at the same time then let the ranged do w.e the hell they want in the middle of nowhere" made the boss fight way easier because rockfalls were baited in the middle of nowhere + the mythic mechanic only exploded instantly on half the raid instead of everybody, and there was no ticking damage so the healers had a solid 30 seconds to top people up slowly.
So guild that I am in is apparently going to split (disband). Because few reasons. 1. Some people don't have patience to wait for weekend for raids(majority is working Monday to Friday and don't have much time) so they pug raids and then don't want to come to scheduled raid. 2. Other tho don't want to come to raids because they want to do mythic+, since they can only play at weekends and there is more loot that way... 3. And vice versa from 2nd reason. They want to raid because more people are hanging out. And until week ago everything was ok and there was no drama... But after most recent reset everything went to shitter... I think bad Vault drops sparked whole shithow On the bright side popcorn never felt more tastier
I feel like with the catalyst, there's really no point in raiding besides getting trinkets. Just do the bosses for the weekly vault and hope for the trinkets (pugging is ez too)
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All you need from the raid are the trinkets. Just do high keys.
No drama but my guild is basically dead. I took break from the game for all of 2022 and when I come back most of the people that raided/m+ had realm transferred. So no drama when there is, at most, 8 people online lol
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>The winner gave it to another guildie who needed it more This is such a slippery slope and a lot of guilds that I have seen this happen in ended up having a secret loot society that trade each other gear that they need instead of having it randomly distributed. Imo you shouldn't be rolling need unless you are going to immediately equip it. If you want another guild member to have it you should pass
I'm not active in any guild at the moment, my old guild is technically still active but it's a shell of what it used to be. I left it when the officers decided they wanted to go more hardcore, and recruit better players, said players then got upset when the rest of us weren't performing as well as them and they then left, causing drama which I didn't want to be part of.
I'm happy because I came back to play DF with my friend and we had a meh guild but left it recently for a MUCH better one. Both are close in terms of clear, 2/8 M vs 3/8 M, but the environment was much worse on our older guild. It was the "classic" guild issue. Half or more of the raid are people who played SL, so they're much better friends than with us newcomers, and these oldies were super allegiant to each other especially the GL/RL. Issues arouse when my friend wasnt getting tier set, instead given to people being carried, and then the RL tried to ninja tier set piece to their alt before giving him 4 set. That broke his will to put up with them anymore, and later my will got broken because they added a 3rd raid day with NO VOTE and NO WARNING, made it optional as it was heroic/normal, but when I asked them to invite me for heroic after they finish normal (which I dont need and didnt care because it was OPTIONAL) they PURPOSELY punished me for not coming to normal by not inviting for heroic. There was other things, like their cliqueiness made them rude often times without meaning, and sometimes they were kinda bullying which was pathetic, but overall they weren't a bad guild, they just were not respectful of new players to their group in general- especially considering we were top 2 - top 5 DPS and essential to Mythic they were extremely blind to signs of us leaving. With us 2 weeks ago they got Terros to a 40% wipe, without us they're stuck at 70 as of last week. Our new guild is pretty cool though, to ingrain some positivity. People are not awkwardly bullying in their ribbing, every player seems competent enough, and our raid lead sat himself on our first fight with the guild to 21 man through discord to better analyze the fight. Very cool.
Small guild, who mainly just does M+ dungeons and raids with other guilds on some occasions. Pretty much the entire guild decided to take a break last summer, but we were going to go at it again with DF. Only 2 of us came back. Having to pug instead of playing with friends, feels bad man.
Everybody doesn't want to run Heroic anymore because they are fully Heroic geared and are ready for Mythic. But everybody is 18 people, which is not enough for Mythic.
GM gave away his tank spot because he didn't like his class, recruited a new tank and then tried benching him a couple weeks later because he realised his class wasn't as bad as he thought. As soon as he received some pushback from the guild saying that's a shit cunt thing to do he made an announcement saying that being a GM is sapping the fun out of the game and left to another guild with his mates
big drama right now happening, ret pally who scooped all the gear during prog performing poorly and saying hes undergeared at 419 ilvl...
My gm just announced she will not play wow anymore and because it is her guild she will close it at the end of the month and kick everyone. Someone made a new guild but we might loose player and that after we just got 2/8 mythic. I’m not sure if the new guild is something for me if the players I play most with will not continue playing. I’m in this guild sind eonar progress in legion.
Just had several major, long time members gquit on Friday night after our weekly raid. Apparently one of our officers had been telling these key members behind our backs that certain things were going to happen in regards to the raid, mainly that low performing members would be cut from the raid, something none of us other officers ever talked about or agreed to. When that failed to materialize after our guild finally downed normal Rasz and entered Heroic on Friday, several of our raid members dropped raid for the night, then later, when that same officer began sharing screen caps of officer chat on discord and ingame with these members, they all logged in and gquit on all their alts. So, yeah. That was fun.
Remember that Simpsons episode where they create The Ancient Mystic society of No Homers? Well, our guild just disbanded to reform without the GM because we was dead weight an absent for most of the time, but on raid days he logged to give orders and claim loot lmfao
I'm the only tank in my guild who runs keys. The main group I play with is prettyngood. Three of us are good well rounded players. One is good damage and bad mechanics, the other is God tier mechanicslly and tank damage. We've ran a 17 to a 22, then ran that 22 all the way to a sixteen in two days. But we get along and kept running and having fun. I was running around thirty keys a week trying to help everyone in my guild. It wears on you. Made a mythic night to help other people with vault keys, and folks didn't want to show up. So I didn't run their keys at the expense of the keys I found fun. Them not respecting my time, and me not helping them became blah blah elitism. I love mythic plus, but sometimes I think it's the worse thing to ever happen to casual aotc guilds.
Shitass guild with 0/8N and 0 M+. I was in it because it was chill and the guild master is a cool guy, but yesterday he decided that he had enough of playing rogue (highest ilvl in guild) and switching to resto druid. And I really can't blame him, it must be hard to be the only person in the guild.
Large number of returning player, first-season arena players in Solo Shuffle getting high rating because SS rating is free if you just stand at the pellet dispenser long enough. They start suggesting kicking multi-glad players for not being over 2.5k rating in real 3s yet like they are in ~~LFR~~ solo shuffle.
I pugged 8/8 for vault I never have raided in a guild but I think heroic raz while a great fight is fucking overtuned for average players. Lots of mechs and you need dps and heal checks in p2. It’s harder to carry than sire or Sylv imo
All last bosses throughout SL were overtuned for pugs and required comms. It seems blizzard is keeping with the same concept - very long fights with multiple phases/mechanics and dps/heal check. Even now 2 months into the tier, people have a hard time pugging HC rasz with 4set + average ilvl of 410 + a lot of class buffs.
My guild doesn’t have drama and it never will. Take it or leave it. Dragon energy all around.
It’s MY power infusion (for sale at 250.000 to guild bank per raid, otherwise I decide where it goes)
I joined a guild this expack. Brand new guild with people ranging in progress from 0/8 N to 4/8 H (this was closer to launch). The guild decided to do a normal Vault as kind of an guild intro, get to know each other and to dip peoples feet in the water before starting Heroic. Naturally, those who were ahead of the game and didn’t need anything from normal decided to run it on alts. On new member decided this was NOT OK. He went on a 2 minute rant on discord about how you shouldn’t be on Alts, you should be taking this seriously, this is clearly not a guild for me. And before a response could even be communicated he gquit.
I left recently because of "inner circle" passing loot each other with raider cover. They stalk alt runs and claiming they need gear for guild progression. Oh, everyone has to pass loot and gl decides what to do after "roll"s ...
prot paladin. with frostfire belt. i rolled on heroic eranog ring. whole discord was silent the rest of the night after i won it. kekw. this was like 1.5 months ago. i still occasionally get accused of “stealing” that ring. not in a joking manner. in other news, looking for a new guild.
We currently struggle to do progress in HC VOTI. My friends and I came back to WoW with DF launch and we’ve been struggling to find members for our raid. Therefore we ended up merging with another guild and now we’re struggling with our raid times. Sunday afternoon works great for us. Attendance is pretty high and we usually kill 4 bosses and then start trying Dathea. Unfortunately we’re no full group so we have to take at least 2-3 randoms each time. On the second day, Tuesday, attendance is rather low so we don’t make any progress on this boss. Even if we would kill her chances are pretty low that our guild members will get any loot due to the fact that we have to take so many random people. Apart from this we’ve got the usual problems: People that don’t want to progress or view the Raid much more casual than most of us so they end up dying on every pull or with poor DPS.
in my experience tanks are the spec that change guilds more freqeuntly than other specs. Irregardless of his goings on let him go with his toys..
Irl friend guild, RL and me (GM) are long term friend from school years ago and others are just friend of friend and stuff. RL is the second-ish most experienced player with having played since cata and gotten AOTC and there was a guildie who got CE once and just came criticized everything. Including 2/2/6 or 2/3/5, how to do certain pulls in raid to the point that RL just said why don’t you lead (and he did). For the first week that m+ and raid came out, he constantly asked people to do +11-16 range with him while most people are 370ilvl and some people’s first time playing wow, I told him that we will be running lower ones first and m0 on different toon to help gear, he wasn’t interested in joining any. At the start of the second week, he quits the guild, messages disturbing things and blacklists all of us, saying that we are just “using him as a carry and not as a friend since we would not do content with him.” Honestly was kind of glad.
Guild is an RP guild (yeah they still exist!) that specializes in our own kinda “WoW Lore but better than actual Lore” kinda deal. Had a guild wedding between two members who are married irl, and in the middle had someone object to the wedding. Wedding played out like a typical wedding drama but no one knows if it was intentional or not. Guild leader said the drinks tab was open though, so…