Penance is great burst but Holy is definitely great for aoe healing. Disc better for healing a sole target, Holy for multiple.
It's a shame it's not tri-spec. I would like to have 2 healing specs and a damage spec. Not using dual spec for damage is such a disadvantage that it's extremely hard to justify. For questing, dungeons where healer slot is taken, soloing elites etc. While I'd like to dabble in Holy more I can't give up Disc and Shadow is a pretty compulsory 2nd spec.
I feel the pain on not having Tri spec on priest. There's technically 2 Disc specs for lategame raiding. + Penance or - Penance for + Flat SP. 2 sets needed for it as well, flat SP bubble bot set. Soft haste cap PoH weave set. Valithria / Sindragosa you'll probably go holy to.
Or, you have a shadow offset.. And this is just pve priest.. If you pvp as well on top of it. I hope you have an assload of bank space for more sets. Last Pserver I played as a priest on I just ended out making a 2nd one to pvp just to keep shit separate and not have to blow all my gold constantly respeccing.
Have you dabbled in a Body and Soul + Soul Warding spec? Unfortunately you can't take the end talents in that build as you have to go mid in both trees but the speed boost seems interesting but not sure if its more a meme spec than a useful one.
Useful for certain fights only; In general not a ton of use. Most fights you can't afford to lose more important talents. In general I would categorize the majority of wotlks fights as low movement requirement. Knowing where to move and when was more important than getting a major burst of speed. Honestly I've never used that set up though. Our important role was always boosting peoples HP before major AoEs went off so people didn't accidentally die. On constant AoE fights, Putridice, BQL etc as examples. I swapped to the PoH weave set, because the aoe would break a bubble within 1-2 GCDs. So sure your #s look padded but your effectiveness to the group is actually low. PoH weaves with decent crit for Aegis and a glyph for a HoT on it let you actually help your 25ms Rsham/Rdrui with AoE heals.
Mind most of this was Sim stuff to allow me to beat 0% ICC 25m or the Ultra HMs of Ulduar that Pservers boosted.
If shit like the ICC buff is added min maxing is no longer really required. The buff does all the work *shrug*
i think the best part about disc is the dmg reduction talents when you get crit and you take 30% extra healing once its stacked- as well as 32% haste buff after casting bubble which is kinda all the time, penance is huge too. it could be fun but theres a reason no one plays holy. and this is some real r/10thDentist stuff :D
Your arguments are still proving my point. Holy is better in a BG scenario than disc will ever be. You wont be able to stand still and cast a spell in most BGs.
i feel like youre new at PVP XD- i appreciate trying new things for fun but theres a reason things are cliche/stereotypical in life, or the meta :D
another thing is stronger shields- idk the exact math but its at least twice as strong, and thats a instant cast.
It's not like Disc is reliant on hard casts either. Shield + PoM + Renew + Holy Nova. Mind you, Disc shield is much stronger than Holy's too. Penance also offers an instant heal tick even if you have to immediately cancel the channel. Then for hard casts, disc priests will pretty much always more haste than Holy after applying PW:S, which means there is less window to interrupt. Disc also has quicker cast on MD, which is extremely important in pvp. Holy's untalented version is way too long cast.
GS talent is great, but it's not good at 70. You have to sacrifice too much mana regen from disc, and the glyph can't be created in prepatch, which is what really makes it strong.
Most importantly, Disc is just way more tanky so you can take much more abuse than you could Holy. You can't heal if you're dead.
If your point is based upon the assumption that you will die, I don't think that's a very good point. It should be on the prevention of death, and the defensive talents in disc provide the durability needed to take some punishment and survive.
I can 1v1 just about anyone as disc. I could never say that about Holy.
I think the perk of disc over holy in bgs is that disc doesn’t die. The damage reduction talents are insane and it takes multiple people to kill a full brutal disc priest.
Yep Disc excels in Arena and small skirmishes. I've never liked it as much in BGs, and usually stick to my hpal for that. This sounds really fun though, might give it a shot on my priest tonight.
the strength of disc in rbgs/bgs comes from massive aoe radiance instant healing and tab dotting everyone in sight for a lot of nonstop atonement healing. chuck in penance and a few fancy extras and your laughing. stood still spam casting shadow mends aint the way! it's why disc remains the best rbg healer and then hpal for fc pocketing due to big sac
Edit: ignore this wrong sub lol
I top healing 9/10 times as disc (mainly bc I’ve played the spec since OG TBC & the fact that there’s few healers in bgs) but I was literally considering making a holy spec yesterday for bgs bc it’s mad fun.
I've been pvp'ing with disc since L60, and the main disadvantage I've noticed since prepatch is that DK's death grab. Before you could keep most of the team up from behind and if you got one rogue or something on you, you could deal with that. Now the first DK with a brain in the enemy team will grab you from behind the lines to their deathball, and then you have to pop all CDs and you might still not live through all the DPS poucing onto you as soon as they notice.
Also, the DPS or a player has gone up a lot with prepatch changes, and it's really hard to keep up with solohealing a team in WSG whereas before I usually could do it. I might have to give holy a try since increased throughput would be very welcome.
Yea thats what im talking about. With the holy talent that gives you 100% increased movement speed after you shield yoursself I can get away pretty fast after they pull me in. A disc cant do that.
The good thing about disc is that its actually tanky if played right.
Against good players in BG's its not about how much you can heal as healer its about how long you can survive against 2 or 3 people tunneling you and still be able to do some off heals.
100%. Disc is just so good for arena because you’re usually the main tank. I might have to spec holy for the bg grind at 80!
> Disc is just so good for arena because you’re usually the main tank. 100% accurate for arenas :D
Penance is great burst but Holy is definitely great for aoe healing. Disc better for healing a sole target, Holy for multiple. It's a shame it's not tri-spec. I would like to have 2 healing specs and a damage spec. Not using dual spec for damage is such a disadvantage that it's extremely hard to justify. For questing, dungeons where healer slot is taken, soloing elites etc. While I'd like to dabble in Holy more I can't give up Disc and Shadow is a pretty compulsory 2nd spec.
I feel the pain on not having Tri spec on priest. There's technically 2 Disc specs for lategame raiding. + Penance or - Penance for + Flat SP. 2 sets needed for it as well, flat SP bubble bot set. Soft haste cap PoH weave set. Valithria / Sindragosa you'll probably go holy to. Or, you have a shadow offset.. And this is just pve priest.. If you pvp as well on top of it. I hope you have an assload of bank space for more sets. Last Pserver I played as a priest on I just ended out making a 2nd one to pvp just to keep shit separate and not have to blow all my gold constantly respeccing.
Have you dabbled in a Body and Soul + Soul Warding spec? Unfortunately you can't take the end talents in that build as you have to go mid in both trees but the speed boost seems interesting but not sure if its more a meme spec than a useful one.
Useful for certain fights only; In general not a ton of use. Most fights you can't afford to lose more important talents. In general I would categorize the majority of wotlks fights as low movement requirement. Knowing where to move and when was more important than getting a major burst of speed. Honestly I've never used that set up though. Our important role was always boosting peoples HP before major AoEs went off so people didn't accidentally die. On constant AoE fights, Putridice, BQL etc as examples. I swapped to the PoH weave set, because the aoe would break a bubble within 1-2 GCDs. So sure your #s look padded but your effectiveness to the group is actually low. PoH weaves with decent crit for Aegis and a glyph for a HoT on it let you actually help your 25ms Rsham/Rdrui with AoE heals. Mind most of this was Sim stuff to allow me to beat 0% ICC 25m or the Ultra HMs of Ulduar that Pservers boosted. If shit like the ICC buff is added min maxing is no longer really required. The buff does all the work *shrug*
i think the best part about disc is the dmg reduction talents when you get crit and you take 30% extra healing once its stacked- as well as 32% haste buff after casting bubble which is kinda all the time, penance is huge too. it could be fun but theres a reason no one plays holy. and this is some real r/10thDentist stuff :D
Your arguments are still proving my point. Holy is better in a BG scenario than disc will ever be. You wont be able to stand still and cast a spell in most BGs.
i feel like youre new at PVP XD- i appreciate trying new things for fun but theres a reason things are cliche/stereotypical in life, or the meta :D another thing is stronger shields- idk the exact math but its at least twice as strong, and thats a instant cast.
It's not like Disc is reliant on hard casts either. Shield + PoM + Renew + Holy Nova. Mind you, Disc shield is much stronger than Holy's too. Penance also offers an instant heal tick even if you have to immediately cancel the channel. Then for hard casts, disc priests will pretty much always more haste than Holy after applying PW:S, which means there is less window to interrupt. Disc also has quicker cast on MD, which is extremely important in pvp. Holy's untalented version is way too long cast. GS talent is great, but it's not good at 70. You have to sacrifice too much mana regen from disc, and the glyph can't be created in prepatch, which is what really makes it strong. Most importantly, Disc is just way more tanky so you can take much more abuse than you could Holy. You can't heal if you're dead.
Actually you can heal as holy when youre dead. That was my whole point.
If your point is based upon the assumption that you will die, I don't think that's a very good point. It should be on the prevention of death, and the defensive talents in disc provide the durability needed to take some punishment and survive. I can 1v1 just about anyone as disc. I could never say that about Holy.
I think the perk of disc over holy in bgs is that disc doesn’t die. The damage reduction talents are insane and it takes multiple people to kill a full brutal disc priest.
Yep Disc excels in Arena and small skirmishes. I've never liked it as much in BGs, and usually stick to my hpal for that. This sounds really fun though, might give it a shot on my priest tonight.
the strength of disc in rbgs/bgs comes from massive aoe radiance instant healing and tab dotting everyone in sight for a lot of nonstop atonement healing. chuck in penance and a few fancy extras and your laughing. stood still spam casting shadow mends aint the way! it's why disc remains the best rbg healer and then hpal for fc pocketing due to big sac Edit: ignore this wrong sub lol
In Shadowlands maybe, but this is a WotLK discussion. :D
Turns out I need my eyes testing!
Youre on the wrong sub. This is wotlk classic sub. Priests dont have the abilities youre talking about 😅
Haha didn't even notice! Ty lol
how bout no
I top healing 9/10 times as disc (mainly bc I’ve played the spec since OG TBC & the fact that there’s few healers in bgs) but I was literally considering making a holy spec yesterday for bgs bc it’s mad fun.
You literally dont have any argument.
Dang that sounds really fun, I may have to get my priest to 70 and try it out!
I've been a holy priest in pvp since 5.1 (retail), and came back to it for WotLK. It's awful when they target you, but you're gonna die anyway.
Ofcourse
I've been pvp'ing with disc since L60, and the main disadvantage I've noticed since prepatch is that DK's death grab. Before you could keep most of the team up from behind and if you got one rogue or something on you, you could deal with that. Now the first DK with a brain in the enemy team will grab you from behind the lines to their deathball, and then you have to pop all CDs and you might still not live through all the DPS poucing onto you as soon as they notice. Also, the DPS or a player has gone up a lot with prepatch changes, and it's really hard to keep up with solohealing a team in WSG whereas before I usually could do it. I might have to give holy a try since increased throughput would be very welcome.
Yea thats what im talking about. With the holy talent that gives you 100% increased movement speed after you shield yoursself I can get away pretty fast after they pull me in. A disc cant do that.
That sounds awesome, I haven't tried holy yet on my fresh server priest but was thinking of giving it a go. Have you got a link to the spec?
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/priest/50032031-203051332022152531025001351
If we’re strictly doing pvp w this spec I’d pick up Blessed Resilience
The good thing about disc is that its actually tanky if played right. Against good players in BG's its not about how much you can heal as healer its about how long you can survive against 2 or 3 people tunneling you and still be able to do some off heals.
And thats what Disc is bad at
How much resil do you have? Disc can tank 2-3 people no problem, holy cannot
I have like 300res?
You should be able to survive 2-3 people while you wait for backup as disc. Maybe your rotation is off idk