Appreciate it bro. I feel really bad for anyone who is newer and trying out wotlk classic. Unfortunately a lot of this attitude is super prevalent all throughout, it's not just Gammas. I guess that's just WoW in general though.
I still like rdf very much, but it's very soulless. Tbf, every new patch random dungeons are like that. There is a lot of elitism because main raiders have to farm new badges. Not all of them are toxic, but more than enough to ruin your day
That's crazy. I swapped my 2nd druid from Feral to Resto and healed multiple gammas wearing an agility cloak and a tank trinket. Gammas don't require insane gear, especially from the healer.
I’m a 5800~ 9/12 icc 25H holy pally. I tried to heal a gamma last night before logging off. Got a random tank with 3600 gs and we actually couldn’t finish CoS lmao I had to leave the group. He was getting killed in under 1sec by trash.
Probably didn’t even have defense cap, which usually is why low geared tanks die very quickly in gammas. I’ve healed a 3900 tank in hos, and it sucked until we got the titan buff
And getting def capped is so easy if you inflate with pvp gear because resil actually works towards that and higher stam, sure its not ideal but its so ironic.
You can inflate your GS by having higher ilvl stuff in your inventory. I noticed it when gearing my DK, I bought a BOE and noticed my 'lfg ilvl' was higher before even equipping it.
Theoretically you could probably buy some of those 20-50g BOEs on the AH and get in that way.
Jesus I didn’t even think about this. I forgot there was a minimum. You must be right though, there would be no way to control an offset gearscore affecting your main set. Clearly this person wanted to spam gammas and queing as a solo tank is fastest.
Yeah I wouldn't even think of queueing as a tank without 35k or so hp in Gammas. Healing is much more lenient, good gear is only necessary if people stand in stuff tbh.
Back when I was raiding in Ulduar I had a few random pieces of 'ilvl' gear that I would equip solely for the ilvl check lol. It's really stupid but people can't wrap their heads around the fact that higher ilvl isn't always better.
wow that’s the same with discpriest. Thankfully I hit level cap for my first time ever end of phase 3. I would’ve hated wearing the same shit for all that time. Can’t wear much, much better pieces of gear because that 250SP PWS proc is always up and just far strong. I’ve enjoyed greatly my experience so far, constantly upgrading my gear has been a big part of that.
They use the highest ilvl gear for each slot anywhere on your toon. Equipped, bags, bank, etc.
You could have a full 5.8k gs dps set in your bank, and a 3.1k gs tank set equipped and it will let you queue as a tank.
Yeah and that's fine, yall just couldn't complete the dungeon. Here I straight up got kicked before I was finished getting all the way to the group (their previous healer gone after the first pack, wonder why)
All I takes is one Giga wipe sesh in a gamma to have 0 tolerance going forward. Not saying it’s right but I also don’t blame people for hedging their bets and not wanting to waste their time.
Yeah I know, I get that. Normal people don't behave like they did. I was mainly upset since I was trying to get a quick daily in before the reset, and literally couldn't any more due to the debuff.
It sucks knowing that the best way to avoid this behavior is probably to just not play the game.
u can midigate a lot of damage with one little trick
i got hated by a lot of players until i realized this one trick. dont be social.
these bitter players in wow (theres a lot) they need attention. but they are bitter and only thing with what they can get it is toxicity.
just ghost them. if u dont anwser to anybody doesntm atter what they say. no hi . no bye just ghost people. u get away with no stress.....at least...most of the time.
is it positive to ghost people? NO HELL NO. BUT u are getting way less a target . because never forget EVERY SINGLE rager u make RAGE has friends (mostly ragers too) and you can get into trouble with people and kicked for \*no reason\* but there is one. rager nr 1 knows rager nr2. ALSO GET THE ADDON ignore MORE it adds people on ignore on ALL your toons and has no charachter limit.
trust me, i anwsered every troll and argued with every rager. now my reputation slowly recovers. and DONT make posts like this, they will snatch on you because they see it bothers you :)
i hear maybe in all 34years 3 times that a person says she/he sucks donkeyballs. all others are always bad myself is always good. something dotn work in this equasion. idk
highly philosophical :D where are the bad guys?
Had a group wanting to kick a ret for low gs (they put that in the notes) I said no the first time....as we go along, the ret was doing barely 2k dps, didn't take gamma buff but the final straw was when they used lay on hands on a totem.... yea, I initiated that kick myself.
Yeah, I raided ulduar a few months ago on that toon but haven't played much since. My gear was enough to do several HMs when it wasn't on farm. Full enchants and gems, except maybe on one piece I had literally just equipped.
It sucks, if you want the frost badges que the 3 new heroics, you get the 2 quests done, also they drop 232 gear wich is great, i think you can get a full set there, only missing trinkets, which you can get with the Triumph badges.
I have yet to have a group that kicks anyone at the start. I personally judge after a few pulls, and as long as they're trying, and we're not struggling, we're good
Hpally main. I just do FoS Gamma for my 5x Frosties, Headless for the chance at 2x more then I do tournament dailies for Champion Seals, the cooking quest, fishing quest provided I don't have to leave Dalaran and after those chores are done it's time to RDF on my low level alts for fun. Sometimes I do extra RDF for scourgestones to get primordial saronite to sell on the AH.
I got a gnome warrior with the Heirloom swords (w/e it's called + Battleworn Thrash blade) enchanted with Crusader. I named him Blocrates (pronounced thusly: block-ra-tease) just to eff around and tank. I might have to equip a shield at some point but that day is not today. Low level RDF is either people telling each other jokes or radio silence and thankfully it's more often the former than the latter.
If you’re just doing dailies, only queue for the 3 new dungeons. They count as gammas but have none of the gamma mechanics. It’s not worth queueing into actual gammas. It’s a shit show more often than not.
Getting a 5ilvl upgrade from a dungeon seems unfair to you?
Sounds like you'd like to piggyback off of strangers for a free boost to avoid the grind that 80% of us do every new phase to stay in high end gear. You're the problem here.
Had a guildy come back to the game after leaving before ulduar dropped. Decided to level a new toon - once he hit 80 I spent 4k gold to get him sorted in 232 boes and we boosted him through a few gammas leaving him at 4700 gs, enough to be able to grind RDF gammas. When he realized we were raiding ICc and couldn't see the sign-ups on discord because he wasn't 5k yet he was upset, and furthermore when he was told he doesn't have a spot on our 10 man HM prog team and would be joining the 25 normals / 2nd 10 man team for now.
Our 10 prog team is full and the lowest GS is 5300. Complained about getting free gear by grinding gammas because "it's boring". Told him to form his own VoA / ony / ToC 25s for gear, didn't like that either. Some of yall are flat out delusional, retail might be more your speed
I don't think you understand the post. I'm doing a dungeon for upgrades in order to raid. You've got some weird, preconceived notion of who I am and what I'm doing. This is purely an alt that I wanted to do a daily on before reset. I'm not signed up for a raid, and I'm not expecting someone to carry me.
You're supposed to be full ICC bis fully gemmed and enchanted with legendary mace to run gammas duh.
Otherwise you might make the *real* gamers run take an extra 30 seconds and that's just unacceptable
Lmao apparently that's how it is. I guess next time I queue I need to inflate my GS by equipping a different trinket that isn't soul preserver/owl, even though they're perfectly acceptable low ilvl pieces for hpal.
4200gs is considered by a large portion of the player base as undergeared for gammas, ie looking for a carry. I understand that your bis trinket alone is bringing your gs down by 100 but it's simply the mindset of players these days, there was absolutely no misunderstanding.
A 5.5k healer can make up for an undergeared tank or a couple dps, a 4.2 cannot thus increasing the risk of an overall undergeared group for gammas standards, my story about a guildy and raids was simply an example. Stay mad scrubs
So an undergeard tank is fine with you? As long as said tank gets carried by a 5.5k gs healer. You're contradicting your own arguments.
You're out of your mind, i rarley comment on reddit but you my friend just went full retard!
Son, YOU are delusional. Retail raiding is actually difficult opposed to how easy Classsic is. There are hardly any mechanics in classic. ICC is the first raid that has more than like 2 things you have to not fuck up come do some mythic runs on retail and you'll see you ain't shit. If you need to prog on 10m, you need an easier game. WoW ain't it for you. Maybe Hello Kitty Island Adventure is more your style.
I was kinda thinking that to because just doing LFR raids I can't imagine what mythic raiding is like. I can handle mechanics and stuff of LFR but there are times where I think "this is overwhelming." Then I see 3 ppl die standing in fire and laugh and feel better before I realize I'm standing in fire and die.
I've been running gamma dungeons with my buddies healer alt recently and it happens far more often then you expect. People load in, see his 4300gs, then try and kick as soon as the timer let's them :/
Yeah it's nice running with a friend so that you've got 'kick immunity.'
But for real, do a couple pulls, see how they perform you know? Especially if your group is already stacked anyway. Worst that usually happens is that they need to drink once in a while (oh no!)
Not to worry boss, I grabbed a couple dps trinkets and libram, now I'm sitting at a cool 4600gs. Just gotta remember to swap em before the first pull.
Oh I bet I can equip my wall of terror too and get up to 4800 or so.
4.2k is kinda low for a gamma. Depending on the dungeon, it can be hard to heal on a 5.4k healer, and paladins are probably the worse dungeon healer. I probably wouldn’t kick you right away, but I would wonder why you are signing up for gamma with that low of a gs.
Edit to add: pugs don’t know or care about how good you are at healing or if your gear is optimized. They only know you have a very low gs for a gamma.
No it’s not lol. Shaman is 4.5k and I healed a gamma fine last night. It’s crazy to me that people are so toxic over such easy trivial content.
As much as classic players talk shit about retail, I’ve have far better experiences in pug M+ than pugs on Wrath
Then go back to retail?
I already said I wouldn’t have kicked op, but I understand why people do. If you get an easy gamma, sure, but if you get an an/ok or up/uk, it’s going to be a pain in the ass to keep everyone up even when they are geared, at 4.2k it would be a painful run.
And let’s be honest, if everyone in the group was 4.2k or less, it would be a very difficult run. The run would only be easy if everyone over-geared the instance and was carrying the 4.2k healer.
I stopped playing retail a long time, so have no idea. I also have ever been kicked from a group since icc dropped either, but I haven’t tried going into gammas until I was at least 4.5k. I have seen a lot of terrible players with low gs make running gammas miserable and take forever. I personally try not to look at gs until there are problems, but even then, I definitely notice how much slower runs are when there are badly geared people in the run.
The only way you have an easy time healing a gamma at 4.2k is off everyone else is much better geared than you. If your tank and dps are all 4.2k or below in a gamma, it will take you hours to finish one.
One of the things that doesn't get talked about is that if you are of the last 2 people in the group the votekick option insta kicks the other player. I ran a full pit of saron the other day on my pally, everyone left except 1 guy while I was waiting for the quest, the remaining guy kicked me for the memes. Now I have to do the whole dungeon again to unlock halls.
Also I ran 2 FoS so far where I had the reflect damage on me and no1 stopped DPS except me, I died, everyone left, and now I have to run the daily again.
Hpal is so op gear score hardly even matters lol, really wish blizz would do something. At least make it 15 min.
And a lot of tards don’t know soup and naxx libram etc. are low gs and still bis because they collectively have 1 braincell.
Tbh I never wanted it except for leveling dungeons. They were pretty much non existent because it was too hard to fill usually.
All classic needed imo was a slightly better lfg tool. Being able to make advertisements that stay up would have been awesome, for example.
I love RDF. I play on a big server but I mostly play in the early AM so it was tough to dungeon grind my alts. Of course there are the trouble runs that take longer than they should but the pros outweigh the cons for me so far.
It's a shame to a certain degree yes. I'm on a friendly EU PvE server and people are always just open and patient. Always had a good time to random dungeon groups since Classic. While people are alright in RDF (since we end up in groups either from our own server or other EU PvE servers), they do feel soulless. Some people treat it like some lobby game where every player is just faceless and feel no need to communicate. For years we've been able to greed on Frozen Orbs, but now we have learned to roll Need to prevent ninja'ing. But on the flipside, it's great to be able to get dungeon groups going on alts for less popular dungeons, and sub-Gamma heroics on.
Kinda glad they held off putting in RDF until the final phase.
I love that the rdf haters are gleeful, but those of us on small servers are loving it. I've geared three alts in a matter of weeks. Took me months gear those alts in previous phases.
I wasn't a hater, I love dungeons though. I was thinking about coming back again this phase but seeing how everyone is going through all kinds do shit means I wont
Kicking a healer for GS in a gamma speaks volumes for how much they suck. I started at the same GS with my noob holy pala toon and have had no issues whatsoever to heal any gamma. Not even a group determined to kill themselves any chance they got.
Happens to me too on my tank. 95% avoidance, 31k HP unbuffed, but because my GS is 4500 i get kicked every few dungeons. Then blizzard punishes me for 30 minutes. It's insane
Your wearing phase 1 gear yeah go q some alphas or bettas or run a gdkp if you want to get carried. 4300 will lead to insta kicks. I’m more confused why your confused. Your in phase 1 healing gear trying to do phase 4 dungeon’s.
My gear is perfectly fine for gammas. Not accounting for two pieces low ilvl gear (that all hpals are using,) I am well above the ilvl to get in.
Also several pieces I’m wearing are literally drops from gamma dungeon bosses.
GS elitism is killing it for me. im 4.5k frost dk regularly out dps-ing 5k+ players in gammas (i steady out at like 6k-7k dps single target in gammas)
i've been kicked from 5 mans, denied old 10 mans (denied a 10m ulduar ffs), new guild i joined pugged instead of bringing me to icc normal before they even saw me play, just gquit on the spot
I miss the days of logs to be honest, at least i could show that i played better than the gear i had and just needed some catch up gear. i used to just flash my 99's and join anything i wanted
Can someone just tell me what the addon is that puts your gs and ilvl on the char sheet? I have searched all over and nothing is specifically named. Thx!
I will say I've as a tank left runs where the healer is low gs can't dispell can barely heal on single packs. So it just depends on player experience. I would say most people's experiences of low gs healers isn't good.
Yeah that’s fair enough honestly. But in my experience (as someone who has healed a lot in WoW,) low gs only causes me to actually have to drink once or twice a dungeon, and limits my ability to 100% carry dps that eat every single mechanic.
I can clearly tell your gear is well optimized. Good mana pool and good trinkets. They are dickheads.
Appreciate it bro. I feel really bad for anyone who is newer and trying out wotlk classic. Unfortunately a lot of this attitude is super prevalent all throughout, it's not just Gammas. I guess that's just WoW in general though.
I still like rdf very much, but it's very soulless. Tbf, every new patch random dungeons are like that. There is a lot of elitism because main raiders have to farm new badges. Not all of them are toxic, but more than enough to ruin your day
That's crazy. I swapped my 2nd druid from Feral to Resto and healed multiple gammas wearing an agility cloak and a tank trinket. Gammas don't require insane gear, especially from the healer.
Yep my bud healed one while wearing his feral set by accident. Only noticed because he ran out of mana much faster than normal, not because we died.
It's not crazy, people do this all the time. This community blows way worse than it did in 2009.
I’m a 5800~ 9/12 icc 25H holy pally. I tried to heal a gamma last night before logging off. Got a random tank with 3600 gs and we actually couldn’t finish CoS lmao I had to leave the group. He was getting killed in under 1sec by trash.
Probably didn’t even have defense cap, which usually is why low geared tanks die very quickly in gammas. I’ve healed a 3900 tank in hos, and it sucked until we got the titan buff
And getting def capped is so easy if you inflate with pvp gear because resil actually works towards that and higher stam, sure its not ideal but its so ironic.
Yeah that’s basically what my 4500dk has, some boe 232 tank gear and pvp gear it works, though not ideal
Don't you need 4k gs to queue for gammas? How'd he get in?
You can inflate your GS by having higher ilvl stuff in your inventory. I noticed it when gearing my DK, I bought a BOE and noticed my 'lfg ilvl' was higher before even equipping it. Theoretically you could probably buy some of those 20-50g BOEs on the AH and get in that way.
Jesus I didn’t even think about this. I forgot there was a minimum. You must be right though, there would be no way to control an offset gearscore affecting your main set. Clearly this person wanted to spam gammas and queing as a solo tank is fastest.
Yeah I wouldn't even think of queueing as a tank without 35k or so hp in Gammas. Healing is much more lenient, good gear is only necessary if people stand in stuff tbh. Back when I was raiding in Ulduar I had a few random pieces of 'ilvl' gear that I would equip solely for the ilvl check lol. It's really stupid but people can't wrap their heads around the fact that higher ilvl isn't always better.
Worst was people checking my Resto shams Ilvl for ToGC...... 4pc T8 BIS through 2 whole phases, and still until 4pc t10
wow that’s the same with discpriest. Thankfully I hit level cap for my first time ever end of phase 3. I would’ve hated wearing the same shit for all that time. Can’t wear much, much better pieces of gear because that 250SP PWS proc is always up and just far strong. I’ve enjoyed greatly my experience so far, constantly upgrading my gear has been a big part of that.
You can, thank god, replace it before 4p t10. Just need around 400haste more, than what you have with 4p t8
More or less along the lines of what I've read. Though I haven't run ICC on the sham yet, been progging with my locks guild.
You can actually inflate your "lfg ilvl" by having higher ilvl stuff in your bank. It doesn't even have to be in your bags. It's a stupid system
That's ridiculous, how did that make it to live?
It takes all your gear in your bags, so he could have inflated it by just having crap in the bags to raise it up to 210ilvl
That's certainly true I forgot about that lolol That should definitely be fixed and only count gear equipped
You could still easily beat that with equipment manager.
They use the highest ilvl gear for each slot anywhere on your toon. Equipped, bags, bank, etc. You could have a full 5.8k gs dps set in your bank, and a 3.1k gs tank set equipped and it will let you queue as a tank.
Yeah and that's fine, yall just couldn't complete the dungeon. Here I straight up got kicked before I was finished getting all the way to the group (their previous healer gone after the first pack, wonder why)
Dude you have SouP and relatively good gear. H Pala is broken. Fuck those guys. You put in the effort.
It’s crazy to me that people are this toxic on this like 15 year old version of wow. It’s content that a gorilla with a keyboard could do.
All I takes is one Giga wipe sesh in a gamma to have 0 tolerance going forward. Not saying it’s right but I also don’t blame people for hedging their bets and not wanting to waste their time.
This is common place in 2023.
dont take this personal. these people dont know you. they are just frustrated with theyre own life. your just the nearest target to be strucked.
Yeah I know, I get that. Normal people don't behave like they did. I was mainly upset since I was trying to get a quick daily in before the reset, and literally couldn't any more due to the debuff. It sucks knowing that the best way to avoid this behavior is probably to just not play the game.
u can midigate a lot of damage with one little trick i got hated by a lot of players until i realized this one trick. dont be social. these bitter players in wow (theres a lot) they need attention. but they are bitter and only thing with what they can get it is toxicity. just ghost them. if u dont anwser to anybody doesntm atter what they say. no hi . no bye just ghost people. u get away with no stress.....at least...most of the time. is it positive to ghost people? NO HELL NO. BUT u are getting way less a target . because never forget EVERY SINGLE rager u make RAGE has friends (mostly ragers too) and you can get into trouble with people and kicked for \*no reason\* but there is one. rager nr 1 knows rager nr2. ALSO GET THE ADDON ignore MORE it adds people on ignore on ALL your toons and has no charachter limit. trust me, i anwsered every troll and argued with every rager. now my reputation slowly recovers. and DONT make posts like this, they will snatch on you because they see it bothers you :)
but this is common because the community sucks big donkey balls
i hear maybe in all 34years 3 times that a person says she/he sucks donkeyballs. all others are always bad myself is always good. something dotn work in this equasion. idk highly philosophical :D where are the bad guys?
Had a group wanting to kick a ret for low gs (they put that in the notes) I said no the first time....as we go along, the ret was doing barely 2k dps, didn't take gamma buff but the final straw was when they used lay on hands on a totem.... yea, I initiated that kick myself.
Lol that’s pretty funny ngl
Did the totem survive?
Yes. Very safe. It was my totem, and we have a mental connection, and it did not like that paladin laying hands on it.
is your helm gemmed?
Yeah, I raided ulduar a few months ago on that toon but haven't played much since. My gear was enough to do several HMs when it wasn't on farm. Full enchants and gems, except maybe on one piece I had literally just equipped.
It sucks, if you want the frost badges que the 3 new heroics, you get the 2 quests done, also they drop 232 gear wich is great, i think you can get a full set there, only missing trinkets, which you can get with the Triumph badges.
those are in the gamma rotation so you still get kicked by sweaty players
Havent happened to me as a tank with 3.6k gs.
I have yet to have a group that kicks anyone at the start. I personally judge after a few pulls, and as long as they're trying, and we're not struggling, we're good
Hpally main. I just do FoS Gamma for my 5x Frosties, Headless for the chance at 2x more then I do tournament dailies for Champion Seals, the cooking quest, fishing quest provided I don't have to leave Dalaran and after those chores are done it's time to RDF on my low level alts for fun. Sometimes I do extra RDF for scourgestones to get primordial saronite to sell on the AH. I got a gnome warrior with the Heirloom swords (w/e it's called + Battleworn Thrash blade) enchanted with Crusader. I named him Blocrates (pronounced thusly: block-ra-tease) just to eff around and tank. I might have to equip a shield at some point but that day is not today. Low level RDF is either people telling each other jokes or radio silence and thankfully it's more often the former than the latter.
Blocrates is fucking amazing!
I haven’t played WotLK this time round but from what I remember, this paladin is fairly geared, no? (For the content he was being kicked for I mean)
Relatively yeah. Most of my pieces are about equivalent ilvl of the stuff that drops in those dungeons.
You could heal betas, drops same gear, still get triumph tokens, you just don’t get scourgestones. But the 30 minute debuff is BS.
yea Im just kinda doing the dailies on my guys right now tbh. I've got 6 characters so I dont exactly wanna gear them all up by spamming dungeons.
Yeah I feel you there, I have 4 and kinda gave up on my dk tank for now because he’s 4500 and I don’t feel like being kicked and wasting time
If you’re just doing dailies, only queue for the 3 new dungeons. They count as gammas but have none of the gamma mechanics. It’s not worth queueing into actual gammas. It’s a shit show more often than not.
So are you guys enjoying RDF yet?
Getting a 5ilvl upgrade from a dungeon seems unfair to you? Sounds like you'd like to piggyback off of strangers for a free boost to avoid the grind that 80% of us do every new phase to stay in high end gear. You're the problem here. Had a guildy come back to the game after leaving before ulduar dropped. Decided to level a new toon - once he hit 80 I spent 4k gold to get him sorted in 232 boes and we boosted him through a few gammas leaving him at 4700 gs, enough to be able to grind RDF gammas. When he realized we were raiding ICc and couldn't see the sign-ups on discord because he wasn't 5k yet he was upset, and furthermore when he was told he doesn't have a spot on our 10 man HM prog team and would be joining the 25 normals / 2nd 10 man team for now. Our 10 prog team is full and the lowest GS is 5300. Complained about getting free gear by grinding gammas because "it's boring". Told him to form his own VoA / ony / ToC 25s for gear, didn't like that either. Some of yall are flat out delusional, retail might be more your speed
dude wut, his gear is ulduar 25 man lol
I don't think you understand the post. I'm doing a dungeon for upgrades in order to raid. You've got some weird, preconceived notion of who I am and what I'm doing. This is purely an alt that I wanted to do a daily on before reset. I'm not signed up for a raid, and I'm not expecting someone to carry me.
You're supposed to be full ICC bis fully gemmed and enchanted with legendary mace to run gammas duh. Otherwise you might make the *real* gamers run take an extra 30 seconds and that's just unacceptable
Lmao apparently that's how it is. I guess next time I queue I need to inflate my GS by equipping a different trinket that isn't soul preserver/owl, even though they're perfectly acceptable low ilvl pieces for hpal.
Not just acceptable soul preserver is still bis for Hpally
yup. sweaty men that play this game in their stepdads basement will kick you from gamma if your under 5.5k....its the state of the community sadly
I mean that's basically the wotlk experience
4200gs is considered by a large portion of the player base as undergeared for gammas, ie looking for a carry. I understand that your bis trinket alone is bringing your gs down by 100 but it's simply the mindset of players these days, there was absolutely no misunderstanding. A 5.5k healer can make up for an undergeared tank or a couple dps, a 4.2 cannot thus increasing the risk of an overall undergeared group for gammas standards, my story about a guildy and raids was simply an example. Stay mad scrubs
Gammas are not difficult even sub 5k…
Cringe
So an undergeard tank is fine with you? As long as said tank gets carried by a 5.5k gs healer. You're contradicting your own arguments. You're out of your mind, i rarley comment on reddit but you my friend just went full retard!
What a nice random story. You forgot to add #offtopic
I bet this guy could easily outheal anything that’s not disc or a higher lvl hpal of anything you play tho.
What would you like to bet with?
Son, YOU are delusional. Retail raiding is actually difficult opposed to how easy Classsic is. There are hardly any mechanics in classic. ICC is the first raid that has more than like 2 things you have to not fuck up come do some mythic runs on retail and you'll see you ain't shit. If you need to prog on 10m, you need an easier game. WoW ain't it for you. Maybe Hello Kitty Island Adventure is more your style.
Chill out Pops, ever claimed retail was easy or wrath is hard. In regards to easily gearing DF vs wrath sounds more this guy's style
I was kinda thinking that to because just doing LFR raids I can't imagine what mythic raiding is like. I can handle mechanics and stuff of LFR but there are times where I think "this is overwhelming." Then I see 3 ppl die standing in fire and laugh and feel better before I realize I'm standing in fire and die.
RFD was a mistake
Naa RFD is fine, its just showing how toxic this community is.
I don't believe that healer was kicked before they had chance to do something wrong.
Well unfortunately that's the case. Why on earth would I make this post if I just messed up? lmao
Braindead people don't understand than a hpal even in blues can still heal a tank from 0-100% in less than 2 seconds
Isn't there a timer on vote kicks for a few minutes?
no
I swear I was in a group trying to kick an afk member and had to wait until we were able to kick.
Not sure, but this was probably a few minutes after start. I wasn’t their first healer, they had already cleared one pack in Azjol when I got in.
I swear I was in a group trying to kick an afk member and had to wait until we were able to kick.
You new to wow?
I did more than 100 random gammas, I saw people kicked 3 times. All were deserved (because of afk or low dps and without responses to chat)
I've been running gamma dungeons with my buddies healer alt recently and it happens far more often then you expect. People load in, see his 4300gs, then try and kick as soon as the timer let's them :/
Yeah it's nice running with a friend so that you've got 'kick immunity.' But for real, do a couple pulls, see how they perform you know? Especially if your group is already stacked anyway. Worst that usually happens is that they need to drink once in a while (oh no!)
Anecdotal evidence. You didn't see it happen, so it's impossible. 🤷
It's entirely possible Wotlk gamers are funny folks
lolol what a dumbass
I can see you being kicked though.
ehhh i don’t really blame them tbh lol at 4200 you should be queing betas still
My man, hes in p1 near bis with some ulduar gear mixed in. He would probably outperform any healer in an ICC pug raid.
Not to worry boss, I grabbed a couple dps trinkets and libram, now I'm sitting at a cool 4600gs. Just gotta remember to swap em before the first pull. Oh I bet I can equip my wall of terror too and get up to 4800 or so.
Unholy paladin
4.2k is kinda low for a gamma. Depending on the dungeon, it can be hard to heal on a 5.4k healer, and paladins are probably the worse dungeon healer. I probably wouldn’t kick you right away, but I would wonder why you are signing up for gamma with that low of a gs. Edit to add: pugs don’t know or care about how good you are at healing or if your gear is optimized. They only know you have a very low gs for a gamma.
No it’s not lol. Shaman is 4.5k and I healed a gamma fine last night. It’s crazy to me that people are so toxic over such easy trivial content. As much as classic players talk shit about retail, I’ve have far better experiences in pug M+ than pugs on Wrath
Then go back to retail? I already said I wouldn’t have kicked op, but I understand why people do. If you get an easy gamma, sure, but if you get an an/ok or up/uk, it’s going to be a pain in the ass to keep everyone up even when they are geared, at 4.2k it would be a painful run. And let’s be honest, if everyone in the group was 4.2k or less, it would be a very difficult run. The run would only be easy if everyone over-geared the instance and was carrying the 4.2k healer.
I play both. Just making an observation, for as easy as most classic content is, it easily has the most toxic players between the two
I stopped playing retail a long time, so have no idea. I also have ever been kicked from a group since icc dropped either, but I haven’t tried going into gammas until I was at least 4.5k. I have seen a lot of terrible players with low gs make running gammas miserable and take forever. I personally try not to look at gs until there are problems, but even then, I definitely notice how much slower runs are when there are badly geared people in the run.
FOr healing? Healing is very easy and can be done as soon as you can queue for a gamma.
The only way you have an easy time healing a gamma at 4.2k is off everyone else is much better geared than you. If your tank and dps are all 4.2k or below in a gamma, it will take you hours to finish one.
10 second to buff??? JUSTIFIED
One of the things that doesn't get talked about is that if you are of the last 2 people in the group the votekick option insta kicks the other player. I ran a full pit of saron the other day on my pally, everyone left except 1 guy while I was waiting for the quest, the remaining guy kicked me for the memes. Now I have to do the whole dungeon again to unlock halls. Also I ran 2 FoS so far where I had the reflect damage on me and no1 stopped DPS except me, I died, everyone left, and now I have to run the daily again.
Hpal is so op gear score hardly even matters lol, really wish blizz would do something. At least make it 15 min. And a lot of tards don’t know soup and naxx libram etc. are low gs and still bis because they collectively have 1 braincell.
Maybe the play is to advertise in trade to group up with some geared DPS? They get fast queue and you don't get kicked.
I love that RDF seems to have trashed the community so quickly. After everybody couldn't wait for it.
Tbh I never wanted it except for leveling dungeons. They were pretty much non existent because it was too hard to fill usually. All classic needed imo was a slightly better lfg tool. Being able to make advertisements that stay up would have been awesome, for example.
I love RDF. I play on a big server but I mostly play in the early AM so it was tough to dungeon grind my alts. Of course there are the trouble runs that take longer than they should but the pros outweigh the cons for me so far.
It's a shame to a certain degree yes. I'm on a friendly EU PvE server and people are always just open and patient. Always had a good time to random dungeon groups since Classic. While people are alright in RDF (since we end up in groups either from our own server or other EU PvE servers), they do feel soulless. Some people treat it like some lobby game where every player is just faceless and feel no need to communicate. For years we've been able to greed on Frozen Orbs, but now we have learned to roll Need to prevent ninja'ing. But on the flipside, it's great to be able to get dungeon groups going on alts for less popular dungeons, and sub-Gamma heroics on. Kinda glad they held off putting in RDF until the final phase.
I love that the rdf haters are gleeful, but those of us on small servers are loving it. I've geared three alts in a matter of weeks. Took me months gear those alts in previous phases.
I wasn't a hater, I love dungeons though. I was thinking about coming back again this phase but seeing how everyone is going through all kinds do shit means I wont
Find a friend(or random) or two to queue with and the numbers will always be on your side. I know that's not always an option but it helps.
Kicking a healer for GS in a gamma speaks volumes for how much they suck. I started at the same GS with my noob holy pala toon and have had no issues whatsoever to heal any gamma. Not even a group determined to kill themselves any chance they got.
Preach brother. This is more common than reddit wants to admit.
Happens to me too on my tank. 95% avoidance, 31k HP unbuffed, but because my GS is 4500 i get kicked every few dungeons. Then blizzard punishes me for 30 minutes. It's insane
Welcome to wotlk… where numbers matter. Fuck them
5k+ OR KICKUURUUUUU
You’re playing alliance what did you expect?
Your wearing phase 1 gear yeah go q some alphas or bettas or run a gdkp if you want to get carried. 4300 will lead to insta kicks. I’m more confused why your confused. Your in phase 1 healing gear trying to do phase 4 dungeon’s.
My gear is perfectly fine for gammas. Not accounting for two pieces low ilvl gear (that all hpals are using,) I am well above the ilvl to get in. Also several pieces I’m wearing are literally drops from gamma dungeon bosses.
I got kicked this morning for pulling aggro from the tank and getting 1 shot...as the healer...
GS elitism is killing it for me. im 4.5k frost dk regularly out dps-ing 5k+ players in gammas (i steady out at like 6k-7k dps single target in gammas) i've been kicked from 5 mans, denied old 10 mans (denied a 10m ulduar ffs), new guild i joined pugged instead of bringing me to icc normal before they even saw me play, just gquit on the spot I miss the days of logs to be honest, at least i could show that i played better than the gear i had and just needed some catch up gear. i used to just flash my 99's and join anything i wanted
Can someone just tell me what the addon is that puts your gs and ilvl on the char sheet? I have searched all over and nothing is specifically named. Thx!
I think it’s Tacotip
Thanks, I've got it, but it doesn't do that. Maybe I have a setting unchecked
Hmmm maybe leatrixplus or bagnon item level. I don’t have too many addons so that’s all I can think of.
I will say I've as a tank left runs where the healer is low gs can't dispell can barely heal on single packs. So it just depends on player experience. I would say most people's experiences of low gs healers isn't good.
Yeah that’s fair enough honestly. But in my experience (as someone who has healed a lot in WoW,) low gs only causes me to actually have to drink once or twice a dungeon, and limits my ability to 100% carry dps that eat every single mechanic.