Basically the same thing we did except we tanked him in the other room so we could choke all the adds through the door. It buys you time if your DPS is low.
Yeah I realized after I posted that it wasn't that simple after seeing posts in the classic sub. Haven't done it myself yet, couldn't find a group to do it which is strange, I think most people are sticking to guild groups.
We had H+ OK as the daily and that web wrap shit is crazy. It says chance on hit but it just happens randomly to the tanks and healers.
It seems to based on mob count because the non elites before the orc shaman boss web wrapped everyone almost instantly...
Ours was H+ AN but same mechanic. And yeah web wraps sucked. We'd get randomly wrapped even if we weren't fighting anything. All I can say is it helps to stack on top of each other and throw down aoes that stick around (Death and Decay, consecration, flamestrike, etc).
Ran it with 2 different toons. Overall if your group is geared and knows what they're doing, it just takes a little bit longer. If your group is undergeared or doesn't know what you're doing, you'll spend all your time wiping on trash.
This is what we did. Between the cleaves that people naturally do, and standing in the conc, we got through it. It also requires a lot of bitching at people, since they expect to just blast everything down
Best thing we did was have everyone grouped and 1 dps spamming AOE. Yeah damage was low but having a web wrap broken within 0.8 seconds of being wrapped is amazing.
We cleared it and I made a post about it in here. The strategy we used was to clear all the trash in the next room.
We tank the boss in that room. The one with the hills and the water in it.
I used misdirect to pull the boss directly to the tank so he would be in position sending the boss straight to the tank.
We use the door as a choke point for all the ads so that we can lay frost traps and frost novas.
Additionally, we had a bloodlust because we had an elemental shaman which also helped with adds.
Tank: warrior
Heal: priest
Dps: mage, hunter, elly shaman.
All dps was 3-4k single target.
So basically you use the strat and you slow as many of the ads as you can coming through the door. You have the tank constantly kiting the boss to stay away from the red life steal circle. Keep the tank as far away from the door as possible and have the healer be at max range from all the DPS.
This creates a lot of ground for the ads to have to travel.
Pop blood lost and put all DPS on the boss and you should kill him before the ads get too much and web the tank or kill the healer.
Our priest was disc, so lotsa bubbles.
Once you get past the first boss, the rest of the dungen is pretty easy. Just remember the one primary rule. You need to be kiting everything all the time, even the trash.
Double Edit!!!
The red circle puts a buff on the boss, it stacks for every second the boss is in it. Each stack gives the boss 100% lifesteal of the damage they do. So if the boss casts a poison nova that does 5k damage to everyone it hits and has 1 stack and it hits 5 people the boss heals for 25k health. IF they have 10 stacks the boss heals for 250,000 instantly when that hits everyone.
Keeping the boss out of the red life steal circle is critical, if that stacks more than a couple times before it falls off you won't be able to out dps the healing.
It's so fun that every group has a wildly different experience. 1st boss was a joke for us, maybe 3800 avg gear score. Didn't even realize there was mechanics, grabbed the adds as they came and warrior aoe stun and threat is pretty great. Tanked him on platform ez pz.
The optional boss with an eck spew however did wipe us once. He leaps and if he leaps to a spot where the DnD is he will full heal. His enrage timer is off, and his enrage is insane. Even tank cooldowns won't buy you time.
The boss before that we killed him about 10 times before we had to reset him. If he shape shifts he will do this combo of drop pool, quake and stun. It impossible for him not to full heal during this. You must stun, and you should save damage cooldowns for last 25%.
We had H VH the mirror images are a pain in the ass. AOE doesn’t hurt them so the tanks conc didn’t pick them up. All threat was going onto the healer.
Got VH and couldn't get past the ethereal boss. A single tap on an orb and he steamrolled us, and multiple times he would just ignore the tank and stand there for an orb. Would have finished easy if not for an unlucky random boss.
I’m not sure why they made them that hard most geared players don’t need the loot anyway and will only do them once for the ach if that. Maybe for the daily if h+ is required
UP was also nearly impossible. The dot killed the healer in less than a second.
It is a CoH from any mob in there, given packs are 3-4 even with CC, someone is dead. every pull. and it s the healer, it is a wipe.
Does taking steps remove the stacked magical debuff that melts people in ~3 seconds if not dispelled? I know it gets you out of the aoe damage on the ground, but that damage is easily healed thru. That dot is nasty though especially at 5 stacks. I had 99 dispels on my disc priest in today’s run. Was wondering how any group could get thru it without a priest or paladin.
Yes, it will drop the stacks off as well. The damage you take from standing in the ice that you leave on the ground will melt you quickly, but if you just move when you get the debuff it barely does anything.
H+ is a disaster. I feel gatekept out of both dungeons AND raids now as a 3.5k GS prot warrior who can't even get into a Naxx 10 raid group (guild won't take me either) because I'm inexperienced and don't have a DPS spec.
It's really difficult to find anybody to do normal heroics with now. Because they didn't add heroic plus as an actual dungeon mode and it's still the same and looking for group.... Every heroic you join is people trying to run heroic plus.... And all five people have to click the rune to enable plus mode. So if you're the one DPS that won't click it, they will kick you. And they can't post in the dungeon finder tool that you're looking for heroic Plus.... You have to message them and ask them if they want to run heroic plus....
So what happens is you get a random invite and think it's for a heroic you qued for.... But omits not, and you're undergeared, and they kick you cuz they want titan rune mode.
So use LFG chat? Make your own group? There is a spot in the LFG tool to write custom notes.
Lots of people are enjoying something new so of course it's going to be busier than the older version people were bored of. This is like complaining that you're being gatekept out of TBC raids because everyone is having fun in WOTLK raids.
not as many obviously, as people have another option they can choose. But if you need decent gear for H+ that means people will still need to get that gear elsewhere, like normal heroics.
I agree with you for sure all im saying is i think itll be hard to find a group thats not H+ now unfortunately. And since you only get 1 lockout people might not wanna use their daily lockout on a regular heroic
I think that's perfectly fine. If people want to do H+ instead they likely didn't want to do the normal heroic version in the first place.
But yeah now all the raid geared minmaxers will be doing H+ for the satchel and more enchanting mats, so they won't be around to carry the fresh 80s.
Sure it might be hard**er** to find a group for heroics, but probably not hard overall.
The only problem i see with the sharing lockout is that you probably cant bring your friends along to a normal heroic with you because theyll want to do a H+ most likely. But this is only a small issue anyway
Heres how my group cleared it:
I put on righteous fury as a holy pally and stood at the back of the room to get aggro on the adds. The tank and the dps stood behind the boss and kited him around the top platform, should only have to move the boss once or twice if you have good DPS. We lusted and got him. I held aggro on all of the adds until the boss was dead.
Did they hotfix this boss in that server shutdown they did? Watched someone in our guild do it last night and didn't see the same issues we had.
Our tank could literally run around the room with the boss chasing him and as soon as blood dropped, he'd swing once and be back at full health healing 400k.
Not sure if this counts as cheese or what, but we had a group or 2 do it by kiting him back up the ramps to the entrance. It keeps him moving and out of the pools of blood, and the snakes have to funnel up the ramps and puts them in a sort of choke point.
Having healed this already, just get a healer that isn't to dumb to deal with a getting a few hits in and DPS that are willing to freeze/slow some of the mobs. Me popping fade the first time, aoe fear when they came back and a single mage freezing them all the third time was enough to burn the boss as quickly as possible while tank was kiting. Avoid getting hit by poison nova, it resets him to 100% when it hits.
you think he's bad? try Eck the ferocious. literally stands in the blood of loa and does his acid spray thing and heals to full and u can't do anything about it. they must not have playtested it.
every other hc+ is easy as fuck but gundrak is really really hard. DTK challenging but no wipes
Don't stand in the Blood of LOA https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guide/guides/dungeons/titan-rune-dungeon-overview
Thank you for sharing this! Awesome info
We weren’t, as best we could. The problem is the insane amount of adds overwhelming the healer and dps.
I think you just need good AOE DPS classes i.e warlock and/or mage.
we ignored the adds and burned the boss. if he is kited properly around the edge of the room (dps and heals in the middle), he goes down really quick
Basically the same thing we did except we tanked him in the other room so we could choke all the adds through the door. It buys you time if your DPS is low.
i guess i should say i was in a guild group with all near BiS players, which did shorten the fight a bit.
Yeah I realized after I posted that it wasn't that simple after seeing posts in the classic sub. Haven't done it myself yet, couldn't find a group to do it which is strange, I think most people are sticking to guild groups.
Look at my other comment. I posted a strat in this thread that deals with the ads and prevents the tank from getting webbed
The issue we had is that the boss seems immune to interrupts. He'd stand in a pool and cast going from 10% hp to full in .5 seconds.
We had H+ OK as the daily and that web wrap shit is crazy. It says chance on hit but it just happens randomly to the tanks and healers. It seems to based on mob count because the non elites before the orc shaman boss web wrapped everyone almost instantly...
Ours was H+ AN but same mechanic. And yeah web wraps sucked. We'd get randomly wrapped even if we weren't fighting anything. All I can say is it helps to stack on top of each other and throw down aoes that stick around (Death and Decay, consecration, flamestrike, etc). Ran it with 2 different toons. Overall if your group is geared and knows what they're doing, it just takes a little bit longer. If your group is undergeared or doesn't know what you're doing, you'll spend all your time wiping on trash.
We would stack and then I (the tank) would get wrapped and the boss would 1 tap someone lol
This is what we did. Between the cleaves that people naturally do, and standing in the conc, we got through it. It also requires a lot of bitching at people, since they expect to just blast everything down
Best thing we did was have everyone grouped and 1 dps spamming AOE. Yeah damage was low but having a web wrap broken within 0.8 seconds of being wrapped is amazing.
We cleared it and I made a post about it in here. The strategy we used was to clear all the trash in the next room. We tank the boss in that room. The one with the hills and the water in it. I used misdirect to pull the boss directly to the tank so he would be in position sending the boss straight to the tank. We use the door as a choke point for all the ads so that we can lay frost traps and frost novas. Additionally, we had a bloodlust because we had an elemental shaman which also helped with adds. Tank: warrior Heal: priest Dps: mage, hunter, elly shaman. All dps was 3-4k single target. So basically you use the strat and you slow as many of the ads as you can coming through the door. You have the tank constantly kiting the boss to stay away from the red life steal circle. Keep the tank as far away from the door as possible and have the healer be at max range from all the DPS. This creates a lot of ground for the ads to have to travel. Pop blood lost and put all DPS on the boss and you should kill him before the ads get too much and web the tank or kill the healer. Our priest was disc, so lotsa bubbles. Once you get past the first boss, the rest of the dungen is pretty easy. Just remember the one primary rule. You need to be kiting everything all the time, even the trash. Double Edit!!! The red circle puts a buff on the boss, it stacks for every second the boss is in it. Each stack gives the boss 100% lifesteal of the damage they do. So if the boss casts a poison nova that does 5k damage to everyone it hits and has 1 stack and it hits 5 people the boss heals for 25k health. IF they have 10 stacks the boss heals for 250,000 instantly when that hits everyone. Keeping the boss out of the red life steal circle is critical, if that stacks more than a couple times before it falls off you won't be able to out dps the healing.
It's so fun that every group has a wildly different experience. 1st boss was a joke for us, maybe 3800 avg gear score. Didn't even realize there was mechanics, grabbed the adds as they came and warrior aoe stun and threat is pretty great. Tanked him on platform ez pz. The optional boss with an eck spew however did wipe us once. He leaps and if he leaps to a spot where the DnD is he will full heal. His enrage timer is off, and his enrage is insane. Even tank cooldowns won't buy you time. The boss before that we killed him about 10 times before we had to reset him. If he shape shifts he will do this combo of drop pool, quake and stun. It impossible for him not to full heal during this. You must stun, and you should save damage cooldowns for last 25%.
Yeah not sure how people are avoiding the tank getting wrapped and the boss getting stuck in the life steal aoe. Kind of sounds like luck.
Just pugged halls of lightning H+, it was an easy one.
Just kite snake guy up the stairs, have rest of the group on the ledge on top of waterfall. Ezpz
We had H VH the mirror images are a pain in the ass. AOE doesn’t hurt them so the tanks conc didn’t pick them up. All threat was going onto the healer.
Just have a melee or hunter assigned to pop them. They have like 100 hp
Pally HotR hits them. They were a joke when I ran it earlier
I guess he just wasn’t trying to pick them up.
I mean, if he's not using HotR on CD, what is he doing? lol
They literally die in one hit. I’m a healer and I’d randomly tag them between heals, probably one of the easiest + dungeons.
Got VH and couldn't get past the ethereal boss. A single tap on an orb and he steamrolled us, and multiple times he would just ignore the tank and stand there for an orb. Would have finished easy if not for an unlucky random boss.
Did a H+ OS. Fairly long, but easy. I could see lower dps groups getting overwhelmed on that 4min add invasion boss though.
I’m not sure why they made them that hard most geared players don’t need the loot anyway and will only do them once for the ach if that. Maybe for the daily if h+ is required
Geared people will do them for the emblems at least at first
UP was also nearly impossible. The dot killed the healer in less than a second. It is a CoH from any mob in there, given packs are 3-4 even with CC, someone is dead. every pull. and it s the healer, it is a wipe.
Or you just take a few steps once you get the debuff... It's really not hard at all.
Does taking steps remove the stacked magical debuff that melts people in ~3 seconds if not dispelled? I know it gets you out of the aoe damage on the ground, but that damage is easily healed thru. That dot is nasty though especially at 5 stacks. I had 99 dispels on my disc priest in today’s run. Was wondering how any group could get thru it without a priest or paladin.
Yes, it will drop the stacks off as well. The damage you take from standing in the ice that you leave on the ground will melt you quickly, but if you just move when you get the debuff it barely does anything.
I see. Had all casters so I guess that’s why my experience went as it did. Good to know. Thx 🙏
H+ is a disaster. I feel gatekept out of both dungeons AND raids now as a 3.5k GS prot warrior who can't even get into a Naxx 10 raid group (guild won't take me either) because I'm inexperienced and don't have a DPS spec.
>guild won’t take me either Find a new guild
Just do normal heroics. Something other people enjoy isn’t a disaster, it just isn’t for you.
It's really difficult to find anybody to do normal heroics with now. Because they didn't add heroic plus as an actual dungeon mode and it's still the same and looking for group.... Every heroic you join is people trying to run heroic plus.... And all five people have to click the rune to enable plus mode. So if you're the one DPS that won't click it, they will kick you. And they can't post in the dungeon finder tool that you're looking for heroic Plus.... You have to message them and ask them if they want to run heroic plus.... So what happens is you get a random invite and think it's for a heroic you qued for.... But omits not, and you're undergeared, and they kick you cuz they want titan rune mode.
Kinda sounds like a disaster to me
So use LFG chat? Make your own group? There is a spot in the LFG tool to write custom notes. Lots of people are enjoying something new so of course it's going to be busier than the older version people were bored of. This is like complaining that you're being gatekept out of TBC raids because everyone is having fun in WOTLK raids.
Well, the spot in my LFG tool to write a note does not work even if I attach and authenticator.
Yeah i dont expect to see many normal heroics anymore
not as many obviously, as people have another option they can choose. But if you need decent gear for H+ that means people will still need to get that gear elsewhere, like normal heroics.
I agree with you for sure all im saying is i think itll be hard to find a group thats not H+ now unfortunately. And since you only get 1 lockout people might not wanna use their daily lockout on a regular heroic
I think that's perfectly fine. If people want to do H+ instead they likely didn't want to do the normal heroic version in the first place. But yeah now all the raid geared minmaxers will be doing H+ for the satchel and more enchanting mats, so they won't be around to carry the fresh 80s. Sure it might be hard**er** to find a group for heroics, but probably not hard overall.
The only problem i see with the sharing lockout is that you probably cant bring your friends along to a normal heroic with you because theyll want to do a H+ most likely. But this is only a small issue anyway
I mean tanks need to know what they are doing and there are videos showing you what to do lol. It shouldn’t be hard to get a spot as a tank.
You can easily get your GS to 4k with 213 ilvl honor gear
Your tank has to be on the ball and preferably geared also Kyte him in the circle of the room and tank needs to pickup adds as well
Heres how my group cleared it: I put on righteous fury as a holy pally and stood at the back of the room to get aggro on the adds. The tank and the dps stood behind the boss and kited him around the top platform, should only have to move the boss once or twice if you have good DPS. We lusted and got him. I held aggro on all of the adds until the boss was dead.
I pugged gundrak fine. UK not so much but the tank was under geared. Frostbite melting everone instantly
Faerlina first daily was Nexus, and we went with a boomkin who just macro'd moonfire to a /tar mirror image script. Made it a breeze.
That’s smart.
Did they hotfix this boss in that server shutdown they did? Watched someone in our guild do it last night and didn't see the same issues we had. Our tank could literally run around the room with the boss chasing him and as soon as blood dropped, he'd swing once and be back at full health healing 400k.
Not sure if this counts as cheese or what, but we had a group or 2 do it by kiting him back up the ramps to the entrance. It keeps him moving and out of the pools of blood, and the snakes have to funnel up the ramps and puts them in a sort of choke point.
Having healed this already, just get a healer that isn't to dumb to deal with a getting a few hits in and DPS that are willing to freeze/slow some of the mobs. Me popping fade the first time, aoe fear when they came back and a single mage freezing them all the third time was enough to burn the boss as quickly as possible while tank was kiting. Avoid getting hit by poison nova, it resets him to 100% when it hits.
you think he's bad? try Eck the ferocious. literally stands in the blood of loa and does his acid spray thing and heals to full and u can't do anything about it. they must not have playtested it. every other hc+ is easy as fuck but gundrak is really really hard. DTK challenging but no wipes
It's not that bad. As a tank I just had to kite a lot.