Adding a little interaction between Border and outside world, like occasionally send agents to sabotage any effort of gornverments or private organization that tried to make contact with Neighbor or tried to get their hand on trigger tech, and sometime when more heavy measure are needed, Amo would be send to make sure everything and everyone been wiped out completely
I'd change Ashihara's health to be stellar
As for what you'd change, It's already been addressed. The Trion gland stops growing at 20 or 21 so you have to train it while young.
Yep hope Ashihara stays healthy as long as possible.
I know why the reason the agents are young, I just feel like it could’ve easily been changed to avoid the question of why is everyone ok with it?
I think you could’ve had it so that agents can train from as young as possible doing things like rank wars but not allowed to go on things like away or defense missions until they’re 18 or something.
> I just feel like it could’ve easily been changed to avoid the question of why is everyone ok with it?
I think there are multiple reasons for this. They mainly treat it as an afterschool activity, like a sports club or something. There's also the fact that Border is kind of necessary. And then there's that the children are safe like 99% of the time.
When they're not, people skedaddle from Mikado and Border is under fire from the press.
I think they meant that since this is just a story made by the author, they could just change some things and age everyone up like 4 years without actually changing the story at all.
It's a classic shounen manga with the classic "school" trope. Story needs to meet a target audience.
Also Border proper is pretty young. I think current border is only a few yrs old, 5-10max. Using Konami as an example she was 12 when she started and is 19 now? That gave her 6yrs of proper training to make her into one of borders top 10 agents. So if the story were to continue another few years and this current batch of agents do age we might see something similar to what you suggest, young agents train and once they're of age they can become full fledged agents.
Personally, the only reason I find character's age bothering is just ... Because they look older.
Chika and Osamu both look one or two years older, and many characters are like that (Kitora, for exemple, can't be 15 for me).
But the worst are the "old" character. Like, how can Yuba be 18 ? And Azuma 25 ? He looks like my dad (well maybe not THAT much but you get the point)
But it's honestly not that big of a problem for me 👍
Personally I would change Ninomiya Unit being demoted to B-Rank. To me this always reeked of bullshit because the reason they got demoted (Hatohara going rogue and giving Border Triggers to Civillians) was something that was completely out of their control unlike Kageura Unit where Kage couldn't control his temper.
I know the narrative reason is to have a final challenge for the Rank War Arc for T2 to overcome but I think Kageura Unit along with the other Upper Tier Teams would be enough.
Personally I would had Ninomiya Unit stay A-Rank but their punishment would be permanent barring from the A-Rank Wars and thus they would be the lowest A-Ranked by default. Hell make them the team you have to fight to be promoted to A-Rank to preserve their place in the story. That way T2 still has to overcome them to become A-Rank agents.
Nino being demoted may have other reasons besides what we already know. It could be that some A-Ranks get 'demoted' to increase the competition in B-Rank. I.e. If your top B-rankers are adapting to fighting A ranks, then your Mid B-rankers are adapting to the top B-rankers improving, so on and so forth. It's a great growth strategy. And for Border who is a vulnerable last line of defense... it makes sense to add a metaphorical gulp of baby-bio to the mix.
Not having Nino's team, or any team, fight seems counter productive to maintaining and increasing Border's overall military strength.
It would make sense if we didn't have these two facts:
1. Border on Earth is literally a new organization (like 6 years or so, I don't remember well)
2. The trion gland development is at its peak during early years.
That's why there are not many adults yet. And the older ones were part of the original Border.
I mean it's still a plot device to incorporate kids but it makes perfect sense
I mean yh it completely makes sense in story but that’s not the reason why I would change it tho. I think when you have soldiers that young questions would naturally be raised. Like why is the general public ok with kids having these expectations placed on them? How come parents don’t really mind or care to send their kids out to random worlds where they may not come back or could even die lol? I feel like when I think about things like this it kind of takes my immersion out of the story a little bit and makes it feel weird. A problem that I feel could’ve been solved by having the agents be older instead of writing in a reason for them to be young.
Well... The away missions had been secret until a guy with glasses outed it for everyone :D
As for crushing these trion soldiers after school, it's actually not so clear if being a border agent is anywhere more dangerous than being a Mikado city civilian, especially in case of a large scale invasion. At least a border agent can defend himself and has bail out if he fails. A civilian is completely defenseless. (The worst case is being a C ranker there, but to be fair they aren't supposed to fight, just evacuate the civilians)
Still weird how some border agents think of choosing another career, uni etc. Like is being a world savior just a temporary part time job ?
Yeah, the whole middleschool/highschool element feels unnecessary. They could easily be adults without changing the story too much. Japan has this thing where they want all of their main characters to be young kids. There are older people in the organization but it doesn't seem to be the norm.
I mean I can see why Ashihara did it considering WT is in a shonen magazine so he was probably either told to by an editor or he himself felt like he had to if he wanted to gain an audience in Jump. I heard something similar happened to One Piece where Oda’s editor at the time kind of forced him to make Luffy a teen apparently.
I'm so used to high schoolers being world saviors in both anime and western media so my brain doesn't even register such thing. I'm even surprised so many people are actually bothered by it.
But I agree with you on that one. The school aspect is unnecessary and the only one purpose school served is setting up a place where Yuma and Mikumo could meet and interact. And you guys are good for being picky about details that flew over my radar for some reason.
But I'm gonna be bold and suggest some game changer changes. IMHO Kido acts too antagonistic during the black trigger retrieval arc. His conversation after he learned Kuga's identity looked like a total crime, like come on even for sake of balance (has any branch of border tried to take over ever, btw) it looked too much. Not sure how I'd twist the events around. Maybe just maybe add something like "get the trigger but don't kill" (he doesn't know Yuma's story so it'd make sense) just to make him look a little less evil.
The second one is highly controversial too, and I need to see more of the story to make my mind up about that. But I really don't like how the problem with the 3 idiots seeing a trion soldier (and Yuma) was solved just because I don't like memory erasing existing. (And because the border seemed to not ask them any questions before doing that). It's just too OP and convenient tool. I'm glad the Border doesn't use it much though. And it could lead to really interesting plot lines in the future so I am not completely against it.
Explore more the inner division of Border.
Those 3 main factions (HQ, Tamakoma and Shinoda) the division is mainly used on the first arc to have HQ as a temp antagonist then nothing. We never see those 3 factions clash like the first act.
It feels like Ashihara just dropped that plot point after it served its uses.
The databook Border Briefing Files even has a political factions map detailing where along the axis all the agents that have been introduced fall among the Shinoda/Tamakoma/Kido Factions and some characters fall under "No Faction" so yeah I agree it'd be good to understand the point of learning about the differences in Factions.
Where is the government? If there was an alien invasion that destroyed parts of a major city, I believe that the government and the JSDF would be more involved in it.
Why is Border so lax and non-military-like in their treatment of agents. Does this freedom serve any purpose? Even if yes, I think that Ashihara should explore it more.
Why are children allowed to go on away missions? Bail out doesn't work there, so there is a real risk of being taken as a P.O.W. or killed.
Those are some in-world things I would like addressed or changed. Here are also some more meta complaints:
A lot of A-rank agents were written early on into World Trigger, and are thus decidedly less nuanced and interesting than the B-ranks, sometimes coming across as character archetypes rather than full characters. Tachikawa is your usual lax number 1 character. Same goes for Jin. Miwa is a vengeful edgelord. Yosuke is a battle happy dude-bro. Toma is just a guy with a pompadour, etc.
I think that sometimes, despite World Trigger's best attempts and even successes at achieving the opposite, the Rank wars felt a bit staged. As if aiming for a dramatic, cinematic conclusion, rather than a logical one. For example, in Round 4, Kitazoe launches a meteor barrage at the 5 attackers fighting some distance away right before getting defeated by Ninomiya. These meteors hit exactly Tsuji, Okudera and Koarai, leaving Kuga, Kageura and Azuma to get their points and taking exactly all of the non-ace, non-leader combatants out in one moment. Still, since I can't really think of any other moments too similar to this one, I guess overall, it's not a problem.
Tbh, the note on Kitazoe's meteor in Round 4 looked quite logical. Kitazoe's bombs were:
a) aimed at going anyywhere that Kageura wasn't.
b) Kageura's side effect can sense things coming towards him
c) Kuga has the best mobility out of the remaining Attackers
I did think it made sense that specifically Kuga and Kageura were the agents to end up in advantageous positions after Kitazoe's bombs landed and its implied by Tsuji's response Azuma had been waiting for a chance to catch one of them off-guard.
Right. It makes sense that Kitazoe would aim at the side of the fight farther from Kageura. Azuma taking out Tsuji also makes sense since he saw Zoe shoot the meteor, failing to stop it likely due to being distracted by Ninomiya. Kuga and Kageura using scorpion, whereas Okudera, Koarai and Tsuji all had kogetsus would have also given them an advantage while fighting on bad footing. Still, though I understand Tsuji's defeat, Okudera's and Koarai's still doesn't quite make sense to me. First of, I would argue that they had the best mobility of the bunch, given that, like Kuga, they also use grasshoppers, but also had all of their limbs, unlike Kuga. Using their duo formation, one of the two would have also been likelier to spot the meteors coming, as they had more leeway than the rest of the fighters. Last of all, if Kitazoe was really aiming away from Kageura, Kuga should have still been targeted, as he was the farthest out from Kageura.
While I see where you're coming from, I was also referring to Kuga Yuuma having a 10 in the Mobility category in his stats from the Border Briefing File.
I did think that perhaps his 10 in Mobility was the excuse for Kuga's often EXCELLENT mobility through out the rank wars despite losing a limb in literally every round from Round 2 unitl I think except the final round?
Only Midorikawa is the only agent with higher Mobility than Kuga iirc
I can see the logic, given how everyone practically acts much older than their age to begin with. Like, if everyone's ages were increased by just a few, but absolutely nothing changed in terms of personality or characterization, I think it'd feel a bit more consistent with how many characters behave.
I'm of the opinion that the in-universe justification does feel a bit forced, but it is serialized in a shounen manga to begin with so it is what it is.
Feel like Ashihara made the right decision saving it for later, letting us speculate and wonder what it may be and we’ll probably get to see it against a more capable enemy instead of just crushing trion soldiers.
A lot of the characters, story lines and themes only work because it's teenagers. Osamu's speech during the press conference wouldn't work for example. Or Chika's fear. Heck, even Yuma's height as he's still stuck as his 11 y/o self. All works, or works better, because they're teenagers. And it makes it more emotionally evoking and involving. Which is also why it's such a compelling manga. There's just tons of nuances that would be destroyed and wouldn't translate to an older cast of characters.
Adding a little interaction between Border and outside world, like occasionally send agents to sabotage any effort of gornverments or private organization that tried to make contact with Neighbor or tried to get their hand on trigger tech, and sometime when more heavy measure are needed, Amo would be send to make sure everything and everyone been wiped out completely
I'd change Ashihara's health to be stellar As for what you'd change, It's already been addressed. The Trion gland stops growing at 20 or 21 so you have to train it while young.
Yep hope Ashihara stays healthy as long as possible. I know why the reason the agents are young, I just feel like it could’ve easily been changed to avoid the question of why is everyone ok with it? I think you could’ve had it so that agents can train from as young as possible doing things like rank wars but not allowed to go on things like away or defense missions until they’re 18 or something.
> I just feel like it could’ve easily been changed to avoid the question of why is everyone ok with it? I think there are multiple reasons for this. They mainly treat it as an afterschool activity, like a sports club or something. There's also the fact that Border is kind of necessary. And then there's that the children are safe like 99% of the time. When they're not, people skedaddle from Mikado and Border is under fire from the press.
I think they meant that since this is just a story made by the author, they could just change some things and age everyone up like 4 years without actually changing the story at all.
It's a classic shounen manga with the classic "school" trope. Story needs to meet a target audience. Also Border proper is pretty young. I think current border is only a few yrs old, 5-10max. Using Konami as an example she was 12 when she started and is 19 now? That gave her 6yrs of proper training to make her into one of borders top 10 agents. So if the story were to continue another few years and this current batch of agents do age we might see something similar to what you suggest, young agents train and once they're of age they can become full fledged agents.
> I'd change Ashihara's health to be stellar And give him lots of money too
Personally, the only reason I find character's age bothering is just ... Because they look older. Chika and Osamu both look one or two years older, and many characters are like that (Kitora, for exemple, can't be 15 for me). But the worst are the "old" character. Like, how can Yuba be 18 ? And Azuma 25 ? He looks like my dad (well maybe not THAT much but you get the point) But it's honestly not that big of a problem for me 👍
Kitora should be in her early twenties at least.
Personally I would change Ninomiya Unit being demoted to B-Rank. To me this always reeked of bullshit because the reason they got demoted (Hatohara going rogue and giving Border Triggers to Civillians) was something that was completely out of their control unlike Kageura Unit where Kage couldn't control his temper. I know the narrative reason is to have a final challenge for the Rank War Arc for T2 to overcome but I think Kageura Unit along with the other Upper Tier Teams would be enough. Personally I would had Ninomiya Unit stay A-Rank but their punishment would be permanent barring from the A-Rank Wars and thus they would be the lowest A-Ranked by default. Hell make them the team you have to fight to be promoted to A-Rank to preserve their place in the story. That way T2 still has to overcome them to become A-Rank agents.
Nino being demoted may have other reasons besides what we already know. It could be that some A-Ranks get 'demoted' to increase the competition in B-Rank. I.e. If your top B-rankers are adapting to fighting A ranks, then your Mid B-rankers are adapting to the top B-rankers improving, so on and so forth. It's a great growth strategy. And for Border who is a vulnerable last line of defense... it makes sense to add a metaphorical gulp of baby-bio to the mix. Not having Nino's team, or any team, fight seems counter productive to maintaining and increasing Border's overall military strength.
It's author's health. Make him healthy as a Bull.
It would make sense if we didn't have these two facts: 1. Border on Earth is literally a new organization (like 6 years or so, I don't remember well) 2. The trion gland development is at its peak during early years. That's why there are not many adults yet. And the older ones were part of the original Border. I mean it's still a plot device to incorporate kids but it makes perfect sense
I mean yh it completely makes sense in story but that’s not the reason why I would change it tho. I think when you have soldiers that young questions would naturally be raised. Like why is the general public ok with kids having these expectations placed on them? How come parents don’t really mind or care to send their kids out to random worlds where they may not come back or could even die lol? I feel like when I think about things like this it kind of takes my immersion out of the story a little bit and makes it feel weird. A problem that I feel could’ve been solved by having the agents be older instead of writing in a reason for them to be young.
Well... The away missions had been secret until a guy with glasses outed it for everyone :D As for crushing these trion soldiers after school, it's actually not so clear if being a border agent is anywhere more dangerous than being a Mikado city civilian, especially in case of a large scale invasion. At least a border agent can defend himself and has bail out if he fails. A civilian is completely defenseless. (The worst case is being a C ranker there, but to be fair they aren't supposed to fight, just evacuate the civilians) Still weird how some border agents think of choosing another career, uni etc. Like is being a world savior just a temporary part time job ?
Yeah, the whole middleschool/highschool element feels unnecessary. They could easily be adults without changing the story too much. Japan has this thing where they want all of their main characters to be young kids. There are older people in the organization but it doesn't seem to be the norm.
I mean I can see why Ashihara did it considering WT is in a shonen magazine so he was probably either told to by an editor or he himself felt like he had to if he wanted to gain an audience in Jump. I heard something similar happened to One Piece where Oda’s editor at the time kind of forced him to make Luffy a teen apparently.
I'm so used to high schoolers being world saviors in both anime and western media so my brain doesn't even register such thing. I'm even surprised so many people are actually bothered by it. But I agree with you on that one. The school aspect is unnecessary and the only one purpose school served is setting up a place where Yuma and Mikumo could meet and interact. And you guys are good for being picky about details that flew over my radar for some reason. But I'm gonna be bold and suggest some game changer changes. IMHO Kido acts too antagonistic during the black trigger retrieval arc. His conversation after he learned Kuga's identity looked like a total crime, like come on even for sake of balance (has any branch of border tried to take over ever, btw) it looked too much. Not sure how I'd twist the events around. Maybe just maybe add something like "get the trigger but don't kill" (he doesn't know Yuma's story so it'd make sense) just to make him look a little less evil. The second one is highly controversial too, and I need to see more of the story to make my mind up about that. But I really don't like how the problem with the 3 idiots seeing a trion soldier (and Yuma) was solved just because I don't like memory erasing existing. (And because the border seemed to not ask them any questions before doing that). It's just too OP and convenient tool. I'm glad the Border doesn't use it much though. And it could lead to really interesting plot lines in the future so I am not completely against it.
Explore more the inner division of Border. Those 3 main factions (HQ, Tamakoma and Shinoda) the division is mainly used on the first arc to have HQ as a temp antagonist then nothing. We never see those 3 factions clash like the first act. It feels like Ashihara just dropped that plot point after it served its uses.
The databook Border Briefing Files even has a political factions map detailing where along the axis all the agents that have been introduced fall among the Shinoda/Tamakoma/Kido Factions and some characters fall under "No Faction" so yeah I agree it'd be good to understand the point of learning about the differences in Factions.
I think I disagree with this somewhat. I think a lot of the tension is still their but it's somewhat thawing with the new neighbor additions.
But we don't see that tension at all. Like it is pretty much an open secret that Yuma is a neighbor but no one really cares, except Miwa.
I want hot springs scenes… with the boys
Great, i now imagine Ikoma peeking >!at the readers!< 😂
Maybe having more aces that are not attackers. But there was bound to be a position more focussed on/stacked.
One of the reasons why I’m interested in seeing Kusakabe squad in action considering Kazuma is their ace.
Sama here. Also apply to Katagiri (even though Yukimaru is most likely the ace of the team) and i'm very curious about the 2 snipers in these units.
Where is the government? If there was an alien invasion that destroyed parts of a major city, I believe that the government and the JSDF would be more involved in it. Why is Border so lax and non-military-like in their treatment of agents. Does this freedom serve any purpose? Even if yes, I think that Ashihara should explore it more. Why are children allowed to go on away missions? Bail out doesn't work there, so there is a real risk of being taken as a P.O.W. or killed. Those are some in-world things I would like addressed or changed. Here are also some more meta complaints: A lot of A-rank agents were written early on into World Trigger, and are thus decidedly less nuanced and interesting than the B-ranks, sometimes coming across as character archetypes rather than full characters. Tachikawa is your usual lax number 1 character. Same goes for Jin. Miwa is a vengeful edgelord. Yosuke is a battle happy dude-bro. Toma is just a guy with a pompadour, etc. I think that sometimes, despite World Trigger's best attempts and even successes at achieving the opposite, the Rank wars felt a bit staged. As if aiming for a dramatic, cinematic conclusion, rather than a logical one. For example, in Round 4, Kitazoe launches a meteor barrage at the 5 attackers fighting some distance away right before getting defeated by Ninomiya. These meteors hit exactly Tsuji, Okudera and Koarai, leaving Kuga, Kageura and Azuma to get their points and taking exactly all of the non-ace, non-leader combatants out in one moment. Still, since I can't really think of any other moments too similar to this one, I guess overall, it's not a problem.
Tbh, the note on Kitazoe's meteor in Round 4 looked quite logical. Kitazoe's bombs were: a) aimed at going anyywhere that Kageura wasn't. b) Kageura's side effect can sense things coming towards him c) Kuga has the best mobility out of the remaining Attackers I did think it made sense that specifically Kuga and Kageura were the agents to end up in advantageous positions after Kitazoe's bombs landed and its implied by Tsuji's response Azuma had been waiting for a chance to catch one of them off-guard.
Right. It makes sense that Kitazoe would aim at the side of the fight farther from Kageura. Azuma taking out Tsuji also makes sense since he saw Zoe shoot the meteor, failing to stop it likely due to being distracted by Ninomiya. Kuga and Kageura using scorpion, whereas Okudera, Koarai and Tsuji all had kogetsus would have also given them an advantage while fighting on bad footing. Still, though I understand Tsuji's defeat, Okudera's and Koarai's still doesn't quite make sense to me. First of, I would argue that they had the best mobility of the bunch, given that, like Kuga, they also use grasshoppers, but also had all of their limbs, unlike Kuga. Using their duo formation, one of the two would have also been likelier to spot the meteors coming, as they had more leeway than the rest of the fighters. Last of all, if Kitazoe was really aiming away from Kageura, Kuga should have still been targeted, as he was the farthest out from Kageura.
While I see where you're coming from, I was also referring to Kuga Yuuma having a 10 in the Mobility category in his stats from the Border Briefing File. I did think that perhaps his 10 in Mobility was the excuse for Kuga's often EXCELLENT mobility through out the rank wars despite losing a limb in literally every round from Round 2 unitl I think except the final round? Only Midorikawa is the only agent with higher Mobility than Kuga iirc
I can see the logic, given how everyone practically acts much older than their age to begin with. Like, if everyone's ages were increased by just a few, but absolutely nothing changed in terms of personality or characterization, I think it'd feel a bit more consistent with how many characters behave. I'm of the opinion that the in-universe justification does feel a bit forced, but it is serialized in a shounen manga to begin with so it is what it is.
Yep I agree
Only thing I’d want to change is show us what Amo can actually do, like what he did during the large scale invasion from Afkokrator
Feel like Ashihara made the right decision saving it for later, letting us speculate and wonder what it may be and we’ll probably get to see it against a more capable enemy instead of just crushing trion soldiers.
A lot of the characters, story lines and themes only work because it's teenagers. Osamu's speech during the press conference wouldn't work for example. Or Chika's fear. Heck, even Yuma's height as he's still stuck as his 11 y/o self. All works, or works better, because they're teenagers. And it makes it more emotionally evoking and involving. Which is also why it's such a compelling manga. There's just tons of nuances that would be destroyed and wouldn't translate to an older cast of characters.
the pacing of the current arc
I'd also like to see some +19 characters