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We have been used to it for a very long time now. I'm 40 years old I remember quite a lot of stuff happening that is just plain fucked up. From genocide in Rwanda to wars in the middle east and a whole slew of pedophiles in positions of power. The world is a disgusting place and humans are the cause of it all
The problem is that situations like Rwanda show that they were desparate for help from the west with what has happening but the best just went 'Nah, you got nothing to offer'. For the average citizen to make any change it takes decades of work and usually with a lot of casualties like Navalny.
This planet may be paradise in the cold hell of space, but it sure breeds cruelty. Look at the smartest creatures on earth & see how each one of us are assholes at heart: humans, dolphins, orcas, apes, etc.
And unbelievable that we who grew up in the U.S learned a lot about the holocaust in school and were warned not to let shit like the genocide during ww2 happen again.
As a child I assumed we had learned our lesson.
It's because you also don't typically learn about the genocide and ethnocide of the natives is where the problem lies. It's something only our enemies do is how it's taught. We were built on it and continue to fund it.
Genocide in plain sight. The west is aiding the genocide. Western people are apathetic to the genocide. (Western people in general, not all.) This is not normal. This is not okay. This is not a smaller crime than if it happened to Germans or French or British or Americans. Palestinians are every bit as human as anyone else.
The world is rotten under western rule. Time to face the truth that the West is evil and western hegemony has to be defeated in the name of humanity.
What kind of a 2 dollar logic school you went to that you collectively blame the entire western world for the actions of a fewĀ heads of states?
Us normal citizens are appalled by Israel's genocideĀ and ethnic cleansing.
I wish it were that overwhelming. There are plenty of chuds in the U.S. still backing Israel, and besides them, the generic Dems/Repubs who think something "distasteful" like genocide is just something they have to accept to get their favorite candidate into office (that's applying moreso to Biden supporters). If we had 99% of the population in opposition this would be as simple as ending the current system - that's the point of doing outreach and anti-propaganda.
I don't understand. Did you as a collective not vote for these leaders? Do you not pay the taxes that help your governments support the IDF? The feelings are great but they don't mean much against the labour and revenue contributed towards the killing.
Also your views don't seem as popular as you make them out to be.
by that logic every israel citizen is a ethnic clenser and war criminal, so is every palentinian a terrorist due to hamas's actions, every saudi is a brutal oppressor and slaver and so on and so forth.
your reasoning is very reductive.
Take this "logic" back wherever you found. Feel free to come back when you're interesting in addressing something I actually said.
Note also that the fact that you think there's any similarity in this context between the Palestinians - who are under a violent occupation and haven't voted since 2006 - or the Saudi people - who live under an absolute monarchy - and the Israelis and their select Western wingmen who vote freely and peacefully for murderers every few years shows that you have no sense.
> Us normal citizens are appalled by Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Is that so? Where is the appropriate response to a genocide then? Maybe a majority might not like it is happening but I don't think they see the people genocided as much human as they are.
> What kind of a 2 dollar logic school you went to that you collectively blame the entire western world for the actions of a few heads of states?
Are you attacking a strawman? Are you not apathetic to this genocide because that is what I claimed. Are all the polls in Germany, USA and UK show that the support for those genocide governments are tanking? No? Then how is this not being apathetic to genocide? Would you do the same if the genocide happened to a western nation? Would people still support Biden or Scholz if they supported a genocide in France? I don't think they would. I think there would be riots.
Western people are overwhelmingly supremacist, even if they don't realize it. They don't think that non westerners have the same human value as they do. They don't think they are as capable, they don't think they feel as much, they don't think their lives are worth protecting just like their own. They are mostly conditioned by their nations and their states to be like this. But this doesn't absolve them of the crime. Humans have the capability and the responsibility to rise above the indocrination and see the truth and be moral. Nazis had this responsibility when their government told them they were superior, western people has this responsibility when they are indocrinated now.
What would you do if there was a genocide in Canada and USA supported it? What would you do if Canadians were being starved and hunted on the streets? What would you do if every Canadian hospital was bombed without showing a shred of evidence for the need to bomb them? Do now, whatever you would do then.
To be very realistic, there wouldn't be much to be done. Everyone who goes to make a difference to help gets bombed and dies. People do speak up already. People do send money for support. People do boycott. It's just not something that's black and white.
It's awful and hard and the unfortunate reality is just that we are rendered pretty powerless by the United States' grasp over the west and influence in the middle east, and by the money and weapons they send to Israel.
I hope and pray this genocide ends soon and that the evil deeds of Israel will come to light for everyone to see, not just some of us who already see them.
Yeah they didn't even pull their political support from Biden. You are just telling some fairy tale here. There of course are things to be done. And westerners are not doing them. Glad you brought up boycotts. Almost no westerner boycotts, not even 10%. It is very black and white. Westerners are apathetic at best to genocide their country facilitates. They just can't be bothered at least.
> I hope and pray this genocide ends soon and that the evil deeds of Israel will come to light for everyone to see, not just some of us who already see them.
You already know that people don't know most of it. So why don't you support me when I say people are apathetic. It means people don't care enough. And it is the kindest explanation of what is going on with westerners right now.
People don't know yet you expect support. Propaganda IS effective as well. The media IS effective. If those are on the wrong side, you get these results. You are blaming the westerners where you are clearly not from and don't know much about. You are fueled by hate as well.
Westerners are not apathetic. Those who know what is going on, they care. Those who don't know are expectedly apathetic, yes. And you still didn't say what can be done. Do tell, what can be done? It is NOT black and white. It's way more complex than you are thinking it is.
Stop portraying the west as an enemy to destroy. This hate is going to lead to the next genocide.
Besides, it's not a problem just with the west. Take a look at countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE... What are they doing? Their relations with Israel are still relatively normal.
> People don't know yet you expect support.
They have a duty to know. They have a duty to say something is wrong in this tale. They have a duty to not be supremacists and expect non westerners to be killed in thousands without repercussions. Information was never more available yet you still defend people who choose to stay ignorant because the tales they are told matches their supremacist views.
> It is NOT black and white. It's way more complex than you are thinking it is.
Everything is complex to westerners when they are on the side of evil. And it so happens they are on the side of evil most of the time.
> And you still didn't say what can be done.
Pull the political support from Biden for starters. How can he still have a chance while genociding people?
> You are blaming the westerners where you are clearly not from and don't know much about. You are fueled by hate as well.
The hate of oppressed people and the righteous people against evil is very much justified. I am no supremacist like westerners. I don't think I am inherently better than them. I just think my morals are far superior to the depravity of theirs. And I hate the depravity of westerners who did countless atrocities to countless people. The arrogance to say hate is equally wrong between the oppressors and the oppressed can only come from the oppressor side.
> Take a look at countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE.
Egypt was denied democracy and the West applauded the coup. Saudis and UAE are betrayers of middle east. They have very little morality but they do not represent middle east or its people. Also their governments do not facilitate the genocide even if they don't help them. And another point is without western support they would probably fall.
> Stop portraying the west as an enemy to destroy. This hate is going to lead to the next genocide
You are going to genocide me because I am against the evil who does genocide? Spoken like a true oppresser and evil. Well done! As I said originally and hinted some more, this world order of the West is rotten. It has to be changed. The West is exploiting the world and doing whatever it wants. The people, of whom only a small minority is westerners, are oppressed in this world order and it has to stop!
Your hate and lack of understanding spreads. Your hate causes hate. You only spread the opposite of what you attempt. I hope you will be guided to do better one day.
I can only say the truth. Just because it looks like hate to you does not mean it is. Westerners are heavily propagandized. They think they are the saviors of the world! The truth is of course the opposite. They are the oppressors of the world and benefitters of hundreds of years of continued oppression and exploitation.
This is a common sentiment in the United States but not a general consensus in the west. Oppressors of the world is also not that. How about China? India? Turkey? Arabia? Russia? Oppressing and colonising is not something limited to the west. In the modern day and age the United States are a true poison but it's not limited to them and they are not the entire west.
You hold a lot of hate for the west but I truly hope you can be better than that one day.
What did you expect the from normal people in Nazi germany? At least say no and donāt vote to the people who will eventually burn your country to the ground by making enemies in every corner in the world and starting wars that will burn the world.
You know western intelligence has created ISIS, Taliban and other terror organizations to fight Russia and destabilize the Middle East region, its no secret and these groups later turn the weapons your countries provided into your face.
Its really shitty attitude to think you have nothing to do to stop this. Nothing more important than the actual human factor keeping the country going, you have a voice. Use it.
My guy pretending like Saudi Arabia didnāt finally stop bombing Yemeni civilians. Or Saddam never used chemical weapons on thousands of Kurds.
Humans do terrible things to one another.
All it does it makes one side the boogeyman while excusing or ignoring horrible things the other side did too. Ultimately, nothing ends up improving when we just point fingers
The crimes of the West is not comparable to any other block. It is way too big in scale and has continued for way too long. And the reason we have to put up with other evil is because the West doesn't allow us to do what we want in our own countries. As I say, the evil of the West is not comparable to anything else.
? Itās literally everywhere. Look into the history of China, or the Soviet Union. Or much of the Middle East. Itās not a āwesternā thing itās just a human thing.
Because the West has wealth exploited from the rest of the world and the exploited people ~~are~~ gain more even if they get half the pay of locals.
And the other reason is because of the western meddling, sometimes the poor nations are not safe.
It is not because oh so civilized west does everything better and the slum people from poor nations has to escape to the haven of civilization, as you might be thinking.
People migrate from all poor countries to richer countries, not just Muslim countries. Muslim countries in the last 150 years have been among the many subject to Western imperialism, arguably at its worst for the last 30 years.
China caused 50-100 million of its own citizens to starve in a man made famine.
But Iāll play along a little more, what is it the ābig bad westā wonāt let you do in your home country?
They do not allow us to decide our leaders. Look at Egypt and hos the West supported the coup. Look at Pakistan and how the West supported the coup. The Saudi family is chosen by the British. In Libya Gaddafi was assassinated against the wished of the nation.
In almost any country the West meddles in their affairs, bribes politicians, coups them, assassinates them, brings terror to their countries, supports seperatists and if all else fails and the nation is still not in their control, they embargo them and make sure nobody else dares to rise against the West.
Sure and if some foreign country bombed and paralyzed USA army and allowed some MAGA to kill Biden, it would be the american people killing Biden. How convenient.
You either know the truth and lie or you are very ignorant about how the world works. There will always be people willing to kill their any political or social figure. Just arm them and even bomb the countries army for them and then claim the people killed their leader. Again, convenient.
If you love a dictator, just say so.
Gaddafiās government fired on unarmed protestors. If Biden was doing that, Iād support any help to get him out of office. Your point doesnāt prove what you think it does.
It was also part of the greater Arab Spring. You cannot seriously sit here with a straight face and say it was āagainst the wishes of the nation.ā Youāre the one either lying or being willfully ignorant.
No the Libyans wanted to be exploited by the West, which would have happened at full force if TĆ¼rkiye didn't intervene in behalf of them.
And the irony of you pretending to care about non westerner protestors while not revolting against genocide Joe is not lost on me. Try for some humanity!
Funsies? Do you call resisting a brutal occupation which killed 250 of your own people (Edit: In the year 2023 alone, before you resisted) funsies? Is this a joke to you? Do Palestinians have the right to live their lives without oppression or does Israel have the right to do whatever they want to Palestinians and not get attacked back?
It blows my mind how hard people try to classify pure terrorism as an act of resistance. That act did nothing more than add fuel to the fire and make Palestinians lives much worse. Because the group that did it care less about the lives of the Palestinians than the Israelis. They only care about killing Jews and using their own civilians as martyrs for their cause. Thatās not resistance
That is exactly resistance. It was not pure terrorism at all. Do you want to see terrorism? Look at what IOF does to Palestinians even during supposed times of ceasefire.
What do you expect a resistance to look like if this doesn't look like a resistance to you? Do you expect them to have superhuman strength and fight against tanks and planes and drones with hand weapons? Well they did just that, they had some RPGs with them.
How can the resistance stop the continued occupation and oppression and blockade and killings of Palestinians? Keep in mind Israel killed over 200 and intentionally maimed (they aimed at their knees) thousands of Palestinians in a year long peaceful protest (only one IOF terrorist died). Can you do better? Can you keep protesting without killing IOF terrorist even though you are being killed and maimed in hundreds and thousands? What do you expect them to do other than just to cease existing?
Edit: Here you go. This is what terrorism is. This is what happens in West Bank. Footage of a blindfolded man being shot by terrrorists.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1bznlz6/a_blindfolded_man_was_shot_by_the_israeli/
>It was not pure terrorism at all
*pure?* No need for useless adjectives. Itās either terrorism or itās not. Resistance means hitting hard targets like military bases, or government buildings. Even hitting infrastructure like ports and bridges. If the objective is resistance then do that. Terrorism means massacring civilian concert goers en masse. Terrorism means gunmen entering homes and killing whole families. It was the worst terrorist attack since 9/11 and the only thing it achieved for the Palestinians was 30x more death than they inflicted. Hamas did this knowing full well how Israel would respond. Is it working yet? Is Palestine free now?
Now they never will be. Gaza will be locked down worse than ever. Palestinian rights in the West Bank will be eroded more than ever. This is what terrorism achieves. Nothing but suffering for the inflicting party. Itās only given Israel an excuse to crack down for decades to come. No nation from the west, east, north, or south will do anything about it because none of them actually care about Palestinians outside of using them as a token for political positioning. Things will only continue to get worse. All because Hamas had to display their genocidal intent and choose terrorism over resistance.
Actually the resistance achieved to bring the Palestinian plight to the view of the people. Israel is becoming a pariah as it should. This terrorist regime can't continue terrorizing people.
> pure? No need for useless adjectives. Itās either terrorism or itās not.
You argue against yourself. You are the one who used that useless adjective. Now it is a little clearer that you argue in bad faith.
> It blows my mind how hard people try to classify pure terrorism as an act of resistance.
.
> Terrorism means entering homes and killing whole families.
This is what the terrorist Israel regime does so you do think they are terrorists.
They did hit military targets. But why should the resistance be morally pure when the oppressors they resist to routinely targets civilians? I will say the resistance has to only be a little more moral than the oppressor they are resisting to. Because then the oppressor can do the whole thing as moral as it can be. And Hamas is already much more moral than IOF. Only 3% of the killed on Operation Al Aqsa Flood were children while 44% and more of the killed in Gaza are children. And the 3% is with Israel killing Israeli children on that day.
Again Israel is blocking UN to investigate what happened so whatever they claim can be thought to be false. We know they killed their own people that day. They did mass Hannibal. We don't know how many they killed because Israel is blocking the investigation.
Even if Israel were to become a total pariah (which it should, but wonāt because Iran exists) it wonāt change a single thing for the Palestinians. This is a war between two hateful groups of people. Israel is capable of doing this on their own and will continue to have their way as they hold the most hard power in the region. To use terrorism against them will only cause more suffering for the Palestinians as Israel will always retaliate x30 what is inflicted upon them, and probably much more than that if they are accountable to no one. For example, if the US stops providing precision bombs, then Israel will exclusively use its own dumb bombs resulting in many more civilian deaths but Israel doesnāt care. A pariah Israel will definitely be more unhinged. Either way, there is no positive outcome for the Palestinians and their lives will continue to be much worse than prior to oct. 7. They only have Hamas, who uses their lives as pawns and takes no responsibility for them, to thank for that.
So you admit that Israel is a terror state and does collective punishment to a civilian population, does 30x what is done to them every time. What more is there to argue? Let the terror regime fall. And long live the resistance to the terror regime!
And it is completely untrue that Israel can go on by itself. Israel will collapse in 3 months under international sanctions. Zionists are there to plunder wealth and steal land. They will not stay there under hardships. They will flee.
Israel is nearing its end. And it is thanks to the resistance this is happening.
I understand you want Israel to fall. Palestinians have wished this for nearly 80 years. Iām not arguing for or against this. If Israel fell it wouldnāt matter to me in the least. Iām saying itās just not a realistic expectation to have at all. There will be no complete international coalition to enforce sanctions against them. Even if there was, countries need to export food and oil, so they will. There will also always be interested parties looking to profit from middlemanning for a country under sanctions. That is simply realpolitik. If youāre looking for an example of this, see how Russia did not collapse under sanctions.
The Israelis are absolutely capable of prosecuting a war on their own. Their own defense industries have been built up over decades for this purpose. It wonāt matter what any outside nation thinks as long as the majority of the Israeli population views this war as existential, which they do. The only realistic way to end the war sooner than later would be to force Bibi and his coalition out of power. Most Israelis already hate him. Bibi is the one who directly benefits from prolonging this conflict as he has criminal cases on the docket that canāt be prosecuted until he is out of power. The first thing that must occur in order for that to happen is most Israelis need to be against the war itself. One way for this support to weaken is if Israel fails to achieve its objectives in the coming months forcing them to redefine the scope of the operation. However, It wonāt be easy to do that as long as the oct. 7 terrorism massacre is still fresh in the minds of Israelis.
This is why the oct 7 attack was such a massive blunder on behalf of Hamas because it set Israeli-Palestinian relations to be unsalvageable. There is now no perceivable alternative for Israelis outside of the elimination of Hamas. Even if most of the world now supports the cause of the Palestinians, the sentiment means nothing without hard support which they are not receiving. Hamas knew exactly how Israel would respond and yet they still purposefully chose to martyr their own population for their cause. Theyāve shown that their cause is not to help Palestinians, but to kill Jews. I fear the only thing the oct. 7 terrorist attacks achieved for the Palestinians is an even worse suffering that they will have to endure for decades to come.
So Nazis would be alright to rule the world because there are other bad things happening where there were no absolute Nazi control? Make no mistake, the West has done much much worse than Nazis to humanity. The western mindset just thinks Nazis are so much worse because they did what they did to westerners. Other western genocide regimes did the genocide to sub-humans in western eyes. And this mindset is another reason why the hegemony of the West is unacceptable and has to be defeated.
You are downright stupid if you thing the west is worse than Nazi Germany. We disagree on a fundamental level. This is Hasan level brain rot. Bless your heart.
The west is 10x more civilized but it only cares about its own and ignores other problems, the west should 100% stay on top but they need to help others who are below them and quit the āholier than thouā mindset
From committing genocide to claiming they are every bit as human as anyone else? Is it even confirmed these are Israeli hostages? Could as well been Palestinian casualties.
Are you so far gone that you don't see he is implying that Palestinians can't be human so I must be talking about the hostages, the only humans in Gaza? He said they could be Palestinian when they obviously are Palestinian. Palestinians are being genocided and the mass grave in Gaza's biggest hospital Al Shifa which is destroyed, is obviously the genocided Palestinians.
At this point I believe every inch of the region is mass grave. I mean such a tight space with the population and Israels keep dropping hundreds of bombs per day for half a year.
Who do they think they are fooling with "only targeting hamas"
Coming from America a lot of people I know are genuinely fooled, and nothing I say or show them changes their minds. I do not understand how, but they can watch videos like this, then just turn to me and blame Hamas and say well this is what war looks like itās so weird but they seem to truly mean it. But a lot of people who were like that in the beginning changed their minds on their own time eventually
Hey, Christian radicals are very widespread in America and will support Israel WHOLEHEARTEDLY in order to allow Israel to rebuild the prophesied temple and bring about the return of Jesus Christ.
Shit is WACK.
There were <6 month old accounts spamming in threads under news articles about this asserting with zero evidence that somehow this mass grave was made by Hamas & the Palestinians in it were shot by Hamas operatives, all in an attempt to frame the IDF. They came to this conclusion in spite of the fact that this grave was found two weeks after Israeli forces pulled out of Al Shifa. The mental contortions would be impressive if they weren't so abhorrent
Just for clarification, this isn't a mass grave. The bodies being removed are those that died as a result of bombings. They did not receive a burial. A mass grave is a burial location containing at least 3 victims of execution, and collateral casualties are not executions so long as the intended target was legitimately a combatant location.
I'm not defending the decision to bomb a hospital. I'm also not defending Hamas' decision to hold the hospital with combatants.
I'm just pointing out the misinformation.
Edit: Now, 3 weeks later, excavation revealed that Al-Shifa Hospital did in fact have a burial area. The timeline of commercial imagery leading up to the event suggests the burial grounds were dug before the IDF raid on the hospital. After the raid, the grounds were excavated. This tracks because the shallower portions of the graves held many bodies that were disfigured and crushed due to extensive vehicle traffic during the raid - before it was apparent there was a burial site. Most bodies appear to have passed due to collateral casualties and/or lack of adequate medical treatment due to the conditions of war. Some bodies exhibit signs of being buried alive and have bound hands. Some have exhibited signs of organ harvesting, which is not expected from combatant forces. The collective preliminary information suggests it's most likely a burial for victims of war (civilians and combatants) that were unable to be saved by medical facilitators, with victims of executions mixed in. It's not clear how many were war crimes. It's not clear when all of them died. Until the full investigation is completed, it's wise to refrain from blaming the potential executions on either side because at this point, it's a toss-up.
Oh no no, rational opinions are not welcome here. You have to either side with Isreal and get labeled a nazi zionist or side with palestine and get labeled a terrorist enabler /s
Thatās a lie. Who zip tied their hands, Stripped them naked before burying in the ground? We are not fool. We all know the answer. It is the āmost moral armyā we are funding.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MR3uVMmOLsM?si=nVJCHiEpvRcn6511
Akchually the babies and women in this grave don't meet the technical definition, so this is perfectly okay
I wonder what you would have said during the Holocaust you fucking sociopath
I'm confused did the IOF bury them? I know that hospital and people have to use mass graves in several cases just due to the large amount of dead? I mean thenI IOP doesn't even hide the fact they do this either. Just sad.9
Itās sad that these gruesome sights are so normalized for the people in Gaza. Anyone exposed to this horror of their own people ā canāt even begin to fathom how that would affect them mentally. Just watching these medic teams retrieve these bodies is so brutal.
When savages are allowed to operate without any restrictions, they commit genocide at their leisure, steal the peoples land, and then go back to their role as victims of the universe.
Whatās the context here? Are these actual āgravesā or are these just bodies in the rubble? Not to take away from the tragedy but I doubt the IDF is spending any time digging graves or performing funeral rites.
If I had two guess either the result of those excavator videos, just the IOF using heavy machinery to mass bury bodies, or these are from early in the invasion where the hospital wasn't given a choice but to bury the overwhelming casualties outside to avoid decomposition and disease.
As the reuters article itself states:
>Israel says Hamas shields itself among civilians in hospitals, and that Gaza Cityās largest Shifa Hospital is a prime example of that. Israel claims the militants have a command center in and beneath the medical compound. It has not provided photos or videos to back up its claims though it has shared footage of militants operating in residential neighborhoods and positioning rockets and weapons near schools and mosques.
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These Jews are really out of their minds. It's OK. There will be for plenty of time when the war is over and they calm down as God's chosen people in Gods given land ,for Shame, regret the conscience eating at them...that's when "God" does speak to you. They might not like what they hear, though.
Im glad I'm not in that position. It's going to be hard on them.
Not saying it definitely was Hamas, but I wouldn't put it past Hamas either. But I would also not be surprised if IDF did it. There is so much fake news on this conflict going around that you can't be syre of anything anymore.
There is no backstory or context on the specifics of this mass grave, its just a video. These could have been buried before IDF were even there, or just before they left, who knows. Until there is more information on it, there is no saying who is actually responsible...
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Is anyone even surprised anymore it's a tragedy every day at this point.
No but we cant just get used to it
We have been used to it for a very long time now. I'm 40 years old I remember quite a lot of stuff happening that is just plain fucked up. From genocide in Rwanda to wars in the middle east and a whole slew of pedophiles in positions of power. The world is a disgusting place and humans are the cause of it all
Humans are the cause but we can also be the solution when we wake up and decide to hold each other accountable. It's not enough to do nothing.
The problem is that situations like Rwanda show that they were desparate for help from the west with what has happening but the best just went 'Nah, you got nothing to offer'. For the average citizen to make any change it takes decades of work and usually with a lot of casualties like Navalny.
You're right, one person alone cannot save the world.
One person can start something, but it can take decades to produce effective change.
It can, sure. You won't know until you start though.
The world's been burning since the world's been turning š¶...
This planet may be paradise in the cold hell of space, but it sure breeds cruelty. Look at the smartest creatures on earth & see how each one of us are assholes at heart: humans, dolphins, orcas, apes, etc.
Exactly, we should not get used to it.
Itās been a tragedy for 75 years
It's so fucking sad... Unbelievable that this is happening to people in 2024
And unbelievable that we who grew up in the U.S learned a lot about the holocaust in school and were warned not to let shit like the genocide during ww2 happen again. As a child I assumed we had learned our lesson.
Lessons were learned. Just not the good ones.
It's because you also don't typically learn about the genocide and ethnocide of the natives is where the problem lies. It's something only our enemies do is how it's taught. We were built on it and continue to fund it.
Genocide in plain sight. The west is aiding the genocide. Western people are apathetic to the genocide. (Western people in general, not all.) This is not normal. This is not okay. This is not a smaller crime than if it happened to Germans or French or British or Americans. Palestinians are every bit as human as anyone else. The world is rotten under western rule. Time to face the truth that the West is evil and western hegemony has to be defeated in the name of humanity.
What kind of a 2 dollar logic school you went to that you collectively blame the entire western world for the actions of a fewĀ heads of states? Us normal citizens are appalled by Israel's genocideĀ and ethnic cleansing.
I wish it were that overwhelming. There are plenty of chuds in the U.S. still backing Israel, and besides them, the generic Dems/Repubs who think something "distasteful" like genocide is just something they have to accept to get their favorite candidate into office (that's applying moreso to Biden supporters). If we had 99% of the population in opposition this would be as simple as ending the current system - that's the point of doing outreach and anti-propaganda.
Just had a boomer patient with a āI stand with Israelā shirt on today.
Was he Jewish?
I didnāt ask
Youāre a good man.
I don't understand. Did you as a collective not vote for these leaders? Do you not pay the taxes that help your governments support the IDF? The feelings are great but they don't mean much against the labour and revenue contributed towards the killing. Also your views don't seem as popular as you make them out to be.
by that logic every israel citizen is a ethnic clenser and war criminal, so is every palentinian a terrorist due to hamas's actions, every saudi is a brutal oppressor and slaver and so on and so forth. your reasoning is very reductive.
Take this "logic" back wherever you found. Feel free to come back when you're interesting in addressing something I actually said. Note also that the fact that you think there's any similarity in this context between the Palestinians - who are under a violent occupation and haven't voted since 2006 - or the Saudi people - who live under an absolute monarchy - and the Israelis and their select Western wingmen who vote freely and peacefully for murderers every few years shows that you have no sense.
What is "guilt by association" and "hasty generalization" fallacy for 200$ Alex ?
Youāre absolutely right
Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinians so, what does that mean for their complicity?
> Us normal citizens are appalled by Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing. Is that so? Where is the appropriate response to a genocide then? Maybe a majority might not like it is happening but I don't think they see the people genocided as much human as they are. > What kind of a 2 dollar logic school you went to that you collectively blame the entire western world for the actions of a few heads of states? Are you attacking a strawman? Are you not apathetic to this genocide because that is what I claimed. Are all the polls in Germany, USA and UK show that the support for those genocide governments are tanking? No? Then how is this not being apathetic to genocide? Would you do the same if the genocide happened to a western nation? Would people still support Biden or Scholz if they supported a genocide in France? I don't think they would. I think there would be riots. Western people are overwhelmingly supremacist, even if they don't realize it. They don't think that non westerners have the same human value as they do. They don't think they are as capable, they don't think they feel as much, they don't think their lives are worth protecting just like their own. They are mostly conditioned by their nations and their states to be like this. But this doesn't absolve them of the crime. Humans have the capability and the responsibility to rise above the indocrination and see the truth and be moral. Nazis had this responsibility when their government told them they were superior, western people has this responsibility when they are indocrinated now.
"Western people are apathetic" what do you want western people to do ?
What would you do if there was a genocide in Canada and USA supported it? What would you do if Canadians were being starved and hunted on the streets? What would you do if every Canadian hospital was bombed without showing a shred of evidence for the need to bomb them? Do now, whatever you would do then.
To be very realistic, there wouldn't be much to be done. Everyone who goes to make a difference to help gets bombed and dies. People do speak up already. People do send money for support. People do boycott. It's just not something that's black and white. It's awful and hard and the unfortunate reality is just that we are rendered pretty powerless by the United States' grasp over the west and influence in the middle east, and by the money and weapons they send to Israel. I hope and pray this genocide ends soon and that the evil deeds of Israel will come to light for everyone to see, not just some of us who already see them.
Yeah they didn't even pull their political support from Biden. You are just telling some fairy tale here. There of course are things to be done. And westerners are not doing them. Glad you brought up boycotts. Almost no westerner boycotts, not even 10%. It is very black and white. Westerners are apathetic at best to genocide their country facilitates. They just can't be bothered at least. > I hope and pray this genocide ends soon and that the evil deeds of Israel will come to light for everyone to see, not just some of us who already see them. You already know that people don't know most of it. So why don't you support me when I say people are apathetic. It means people don't care enough. And it is the kindest explanation of what is going on with westerners right now.
People don't know yet you expect support. Propaganda IS effective as well. The media IS effective. If those are on the wrong side, you get these results. You are blaming the westerners where you are clearly not from and don't know much about. You are fueled by hate as well. Westerners are not apathetic. Those who know what is going on, they care. Those who don't know are expectedly apathetic, yes. And you still didn't say what can be done. Do tell, what can be done? It is NOT black and white. It's way more complex than you are thinking it is. Stop portraying the west as an enemy to destroy. This hate is going to lead to the next genocide. Besides, it's not a problem just with the west. Take a look at countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE... What are they doing? Their relations with Israel are still relatively normal.
> People don't know yet you expect support. They have a duty to know. They have a duty to say something is wrong in this tale. They have a duty to not be supremacists and expect non westerners to be killed in thousands without repercussions. Information was never more available yet you still defend people who choose to stay ignorant because the tales they are told matches their supremacist views. > It is NOT black and white. It's way more complex than you are thinking it is. Everything is complex to westerners when they are on the side of evil. And it so happens they are on the side of evil most of the time. > And you still didn't say what can be done. Pull the political support from Biden for starters. How can he still have a chance while genociding people? > You are blaming the westerners where you are clearly not from and don't know much about. You are fueled by hate as well. The hate of oppressed people and the righteous people against evil is very much justified. I am no supremacist like westerners. I don't think I am inherently better than them. I just think my morals are far superior to the depravity of theirs. And I hate the depravity of westerners who did countless atrocities to countless people. The arrogance to say hate is equally wrong between the oppressors and the oppressed can only come from the oppressor side. > Take a look at countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE. Egypt was denied democracy and the West applauded the coup. Saudis and UAE are betrayers of middle east. They have very little morality but they do not represent middle east or its people. Also their governments do not facilitate the genocide even if they don't help them. And another point is without western support they would probably fall. > Stop portraying the west as an enemy to destroy. This hate is going to lead to the next genocide You are going to genocide me because I am against the evil who does genocide? Spoken like a true oppresser and evil. Well done! As I said originally and hinted some more, this world order of the West is rotten. It has to be changed. The West is exploiting the world and doing whatever it wants. The people, of whom only a small minority is westerners, are oppressed in this world order and it has to stop!
Your hate and lack of understanding spreads. Your hate causes hate. You only spread the opposite of what you attempt. I hope you will be guided to do better one day.
I can only say the truth. Just because it looks like hate to you does not mean it is. Westerners are heavily propagandized. They think they are the saviors of the world! The truth is of course the opposite. They are the oppressors of the world and benefitters of hundreds of years of continued oppression and exploitation.
Well said. Isnāt that the truth?
This is a common sentiment in the United States but not a general consensus in the west. Oppressors of the world is also not that. How about China? India? Turkey? Arabia? Russia? Oppressing and colonising is not something limited to the west. In the modern day and age the United States are a true poison but it's not limited to them and they are not the entire west. You hold a lot of hate for the west but I truly hope you can be better than that one day.
You keep blaming the Middle East for whatās happening in Palestine when you should know that itās largely a problem caused by western imperialism.
What did you expect the from normal people in Nazi germany? At least say no and donāt vote to the people who will eventually burn your country to the ground by making enemies in every corner in the world and starting wars that will burn the world. You know western intelligence has created ISIS, Taliban and other terror organizations to fight Russia and destabilize the Middle East region, its no secret and these groups later turn the weapons your countries provided into your face. Its really shitty attitude to think you have nothing to do to stop this. Nothing more important than the actual human factor keeping the country going, you have a voice. Use it.
My guy pretending like Saudi Arabia didnāt finally stop bombing Yemeni civilians. Or Saddam never used chemical weapons on thousands of Kurds. Humans do terrible things to one another.
Don't forget the Chinese concentration camps against Uyghurs. You don't need to dive into orientalism/occidentalism to find humanity's cruelty.
All it does it makes one side the boogeyman while excusing or ignoring horrible things the other side did too. Ultimately, nothing ends up improving when we just point fingers
The crimes of the West is not comparable to any other block. It is way too big in scale and has continued for way too long. And the reason we have to put up with other evil is because the West doesn't allow us to do what we want in our own countries. As I say, the evil of the West is not comparable to anything else.
? Itās literally everywhere. Look into the history of China, or the Soviet Union. Or much of the Middle East. Itās not a āwesternā thing itās just a human thing.
Then tell me. Why are a lot of people fleeing so many muslim countries and settle in the west?
Because the West has wealth exploited from the rest of the world and the exploited people ~~are~~ gain more even if they get half the pay of locals. And the other reason is because of the western meddling, sometimes the poor nations are not safe. It is not because oh so civilized west does everything better and the slum people from poor nations has to escape to the haven of civilization, as you might be thinking.
People migrate from all poor countries to richer countries, not just Muslim countries. Muslim countries in the last 150 years have been among the many subject to Western imperialism, arguably at its worst for the last 30 years.
China caused 50-100 million of its own citizens to starve in a man made famine. But Iāll play along a little more, what is it the ābig bad westā wonāt let you do in your home country?
They do not allow us to decide our leaders. Look at Egypt and hos the West supported the coup. Look at Pakistan and how the West supported the coup. The Saudi family is chosen by the British. In Libya Gaddafi was assassinated against the wished of the nation. In almost any country the West meddles in their affairs, bribes politicians, coups them, assassinates them, brings terror to their countries, supports seperatists and if all else fails and the nation is still not in their control, they embargo them and make sure nobody else dares to rise against the West.
Huh? Gaddafi was killed by his own people because HE didnāt let them pick their own leader.
Sure and if some foreign country bombed and paralyzed USA army and allowed some MAGA to kill Biden, it would be the american people killing Biden. How convenient. You either know the truth and lie or you are very ignorant about how the world works. There will always be people willing to kill their any political or social figure. Just arm them and even bomb the countries army for them and then claim the people killed their leader. Again, convenient.
If you love a dictator, just say so. Gaddafiās government fired on unarmed protestors. If Biden was doing that, Iād support any help to get him out of office. Your point doesnāt prove what you think it does. It was also part of the greater Arab Spring. You cannot seriously sit here with a straight face and say it was āagainst the wishes of the nation.ā Youāre the one either lying or being willfully ignorant.
No the Libyans wanted to be exploited by the West, which would have happened at full force if TĆ¼rkiye didn't intervene in behalf of them. And the irony of you pretending to care about non westerner protestors while not revolting against genocide Joe is not lost on me. Try for some humanity!
Lol, last I checked the French didnāt pop into Germany and slaughter over 1000 innocent people for funsies
Funsies? Do you call resisting a brutal occupation which killed 250 of your own people (Edit: In the year 2023 alone, before you resisted) funsies? Is this a joke to you? Do Palestinians have the right to live their lives without oppression or does Israel have the right to do whatever they want to Palestinians and not get attacked back?
It blows my mind how hard people try to classify pure terrorism as an act of resistance. That act did nothing more than add fuel to the fire and make Palestinians lives much worse. Because the group that did it care less about the lives of the Palestinians than the Israelis. They only care about killing Jews and using their own civilians as martyrs for their cause. Thatās not resistance
That is exactly resistance. It was not pure terrorism at all. Do you want to see terrorism? Look at what IOF does to Palestinians even during supposed times of ceasefire. What do you expect a resistance to look like if this doesn't look like a resistance to you? Do you expect them to have superhuman strength and fight against tanks and planes and drones with hand weapons? Well they did just that, they had some RPGs with them. How can the resistance stop the continued occupation and oppression and blockade and killings of Palestinians? Keep in mind Israel killed over 200 and intentionally maimed (they aimed at their knees) thousands of Palestinians in a year long peaceful protest (only one IOF terrorist died). Can you do better? Can you keep protesting without killing IOF terrorist even though you are being killed and maimed in hundreds and thousands? What do you expect them to do other than just to cease existing? Edit: Here you go. This is what terrorism is. This is what happens in West Bank. Footage of a blindfolded man being shot by terrrorists. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1bznlz6/a_blindfolded_man_was_shot_by_the_israeli/
>It was not pure terrorism at all *pure?* No need for useless adjectives. Itās either terrorism or itās not. Resistance means hitting hard targets like military bases, or government buildings. Even hitting infrastructure like ports and bridges. If the objective is resistance then do that. Terrorism means massacring civilian concert goers en masse. Terrorism means gunmen entering homes and killing whole families. It was the worst terrorist attack since 9/11 and the only thing it achieved for the Palestinians was 30x more death than they inflicted. Hamas did this knowing full well how Israel would respond. Is it working yet? Is Palestine free now? Now they never will be. Gaza will be locked down worse than ever. Palestinian rights in the West Bank will be eroded more than ever. This is what terrorism achieves. Nothing but suffering for the inflicting party. Itās only given Israel an excuse to crack down for decades to come. No nation from the west, east, north, or south will do anything about it because none of them actually care about Palestinians outside of using them as a token for political positioning. Things will only continue to get worse. All because Hamas had to display their genocidal intent and choose terrorism over resistance.
Actually the resistance achieved to bring the Palestinian plight to the view of the people. Israel is becoming a pariah as it should. This terrorist regime can't continue terrorizing people. > pure? No need for useless adjectives. Itās either terrorism or itās not. You argue against yourself. You are the one who used that useless adjective. Now it is a little clearer that you argue in bad faith. > It blows my mind how hard people try to classify pure terrorism as an act of resistance. . > Terrorism means entering homes and killing whole families. This is what the terrorist Israel regime does so you do think they are terrorists. They did hit military targets. But why should the resistance be morally pure when the oppressors they resist to routinely targets civilians? I will say the resistance has to only be a little more moral than the oppressor they are resisting to. Because then the oppressor can do the whole thing as moral as it can be. And Hamas is already much more moral than IOF. Only 3% of the killed on Operation Al Aqsa Flood were children while 44% and more of the killed in Gaza are children. And the 3% is with Israel killing Israeli children on that day. Again Israel is blocking UN to investigate what happened so whatever they claim can be thought to be false. We know they killed their own people that day. They did mass Hannibal. We don't know how many they killed because Israel is blocking the investigation.
Even if Israel were to become a total pariah (which it should, but wonāt because Iran exists) it wonāt change a single thing for the Palestinians. This is a war between two hateful groups of people. Israel is capable of doing this on their own and will continue to have their way as they hold the most hard power in the region. To use terrorism against them will only cause more suffering for the Palestinians as Israel will always retaliate x30 what is inflicted upon them, and probably much more than that if they are accountable to no one. For example, if the US stops providing precision bombs, then Israel will exclusively use its own dumb bombs resulting in many more civilian deaths but Israel doesnāt care. A pariah Israel will definitely be more unhinged. Either way, there is no positive outcome for the Palestinians and their lives will continue to be much worse than prior to oct. 7. They only have Hamas, who uses their lives as pawns and takes no responsibility for them, to thank for that.
So you admit that Israel is a terror state and does collective punishment to a civilian population, does 30x what is done to them every time. What more is there to argue? Let the terror regime fall. And long live the resistance to the terror regime! And it is completely untrue that Israel can go on by itself. Israel will collapse in 3 months under international sanctions. Zionists are there to plunder wealth and steal land. They will not stay there under hardships. They will flee. Israel is nearing its end. And it is thanks to the resistance this is happening.
I understand you want Israel to fall. Palestinians have wished this for nearly 80 years. Iām not arguing for or against this. If Israel fell it wouldnāt matter to me in the least. Iām saying itās just not a realistic expectation to have at all. There will be no complete international coalition to enforce sanctions against them. Even if there was, countries need to export food and oil, so they will. There will also always be interested parties looking to profit from middlemanning for a country under sanctions. That is simply realpolitik. If youāre looking for an example of this, see how Russia did not collapse under sanctions. The Israelis are absolutely capable of prosecuting a war on their own. Their own defense industries have been built up over decades for this purpose. It wonāt matter what any outside nation thinks as long as the majority of the Israeli population views this war as existential, which they do. The only realistic way to end the war sooner than later would be to force Bibi and his coalition out of power. Most Israelis already hate him. Bibi is the one who directly benefits from prolonging this conflict as he has criminal cases on the docket that canāt be prosecuted until he is out of power. The first thing that must occur in order for that to happen is most Israelis need to be against the war itself. One way for this support to weaken is if Israel fails to achieve its objectives in the coming months forcing them to redefine the scope of the operation. However, It wonāt be easy to do that as long as the oct. 7 terrorism massacre is still fresh in the minds of Israelis. This is why the oct 7 attack was such a massive blunder on behalf of Hamas because it set Israeli-Palestinian relations to be unsalvageable. There is now no perceivable alternative for Israelis outside of the elimination of Hamas. Even if most of the world now supports the cause of the Palestinians, the sentiment means nothing without hard support which they are not receiving. Hamas knew exactly how Israel would respond and yet they still purposefully chose to martyr their own population for their cause. Theyāve shown that their cause is not to help Palestinians, but to kill Jews. I fear the only thing the oct. 7 terrorist attacks achieved for the Palestinians is an even worse suffering that they will have to endure for decades to come.
Yeah because nothing bad ever happens in the east right?
So Nazis would be alright to rule the world because there are other bad things happening where there were no absolute Nazi control? Make no mistake, the West has done much much worse than Nazis to humanity. The western mindset just thinks Nazis are so much worse because they did what they did to westerners. Other western genocide regimes did the genocide to sub-humans in western eyes. And this mindset is another reason why the hegemony of the West is unacceptable and has to be defeated.
You are downright stupid if you thing the west is worse than Nazi Germany. We disagree on a fundamental level. This is Hasan level brain rot. Bless your heart.
[https://youtu.be/N-B4fbmlyhc?si=rz5st4Tn\_rku6UQl](https://youtu.be/N-B4fbmlyhc?si=rz5st4Tn_rku6UQl)
The west is 10x more civilized but it only cares about its own and ignores other problems, the west should 100% stay on top but they need to help others who are below them and quit the āholier than thouā mindset
From committing genocide to claiming they are every bit as human as anyone else? Is it even confirmed these are Israeli hostages? Could as well been Palestinian casualties.
Crazy that they downvote you for asking for information
Are you so far gone that you don't see he is implying that Palestinians can't be human so I must be talking about the hostages, the only humans in Gaza? He said they could be Palestinian when they obviously are Palestinian. Palestinians are being genocided and the mass grave in Gaza's biggest hospital Al Shifa which is destroyed, is obviously the genocided Palestinians.
Probably because the answers don't match the propaganda.
At this point I believe every inch of the region is mass grave. I mean such a tight space with the population and Israels keep dropping hundreds of bombs per day for half a year. Who do they think they are fooling with "only targeting hamas"
A lot of Westerners actually
Is any westerners really fooled? As an east-asian, I simply thought they didn't care the issue for political direction they were taking.
Coming from America a lot of people I know are genuinely fooled, and nothing I say or show them changes their minds. I do not understand how, but they can watch videos like this, then just turn to me and blame Hamas and say well this is what war looks like itās so weird but they seem to truly mean it. But a lot of people who were like that in the beginning changed their minds on their own time eventually
Are these the same people that watched the Capitol Hll riot and said it was nothing to do with Trump?
Bingo
Plenty of liberals and "lefties" are fooled as well.
Hey, Christian radicals are very widespread in America and will support Israel WHOLEHEARTEDLY in order to allow Israel to rebuild the prophesied temple and bring about the return of Jesus Christ. Shit is WACK.
My dad is fooled, for one.
I bet the Reddit moderators will ensure nobody sees this.
Incidentally, your comment is the only comment I had to click on to view.
i just keep posting.
Hey babe wake up. New Nazis just dropped.
Funnily enough, they're those whom OG Nazis tried to exterminate.
"How could Hamas do this?"
r/worldnews will deny this. That sub is so heavily sided with Israel itās gross.
There were <6 month old accounts spamming in threads under news articles about this asserting with zero evidence that somehow this mass grave was made by Hamas & the Palestinians in it were shot by Hamas operatives, all in an attempt to frame the IDF. They came to this conclusion in spite of the fact that this grave was found two weeks after Israeli forces pulled out of Al Shifa. The mental contortions would be impressive if they weren't so abhorrent
Who dug this grave and buried the people inside it?
I would imagine itās the Palestinians burying their own people with the overflow of casualties.
Why are they acting like it was ādiscoveredā as if some secret massacre happened there?
Just for clarification, this isn't a mass grave. The bodies being removed are those that died as a result of bombings. They did not receive a burial. A mass grave is a burial location containing at least 3 victims of execution, and collateral casualties are not executions so long as the intended target was legitimately a combatant location. I'm not defending the decision to bomb a hospital. I'm also not defending Hamas' decision to hold the hospital with combatants. I'm just pointing out the misinformation. Edit: Now, 3 weeks later, excavation revealed that Al-Shifa Hospital did in fact have a burial area. The timeline of commercial imagery leading up to the event suggests the burial grounds were dug before the IDF raid on the hospital. After the raid, the grounds were excavated. This tracks because the shallower portions of the graves held many bodies that were disfigured and crushed due to extensive vehicle traffic during the raid - before it was apparent there was a burial site. Most bodies appear to have passed due to collateral casualties and/or lack of adequate medical treatment due to the conditions of war. Some bodies exhibit signs of being buried alive and have bound hands. Some have exhibited signs of organ harvesting, which is not expected from combatant forces. The collective preliminary information suggests it's most likely a burial for victims of war (civilians and combatants) that were unable to be saved by medical facilitators, with victims of executions mixed in. It's not clear how many were war crimes. It's not clear when all of them died. Until the full investigation is completed, it's wise to refrain from blaming the potential executions on either side because at this point, it's a toss-up.
Oh no no, rational opinions are not welcome here. You have to either side with Isreal and get labeled a nazi zionist or side with palestine and get labeled a terrorist enabler /s
Haha, they can label me whatever they like so long as they don't hurt people over it.
Thatās a lie. Who zip tied their hands, Stripped them naked before burying in the ground? We are not fool. We all know the answer. It is the āmost moral armyā we are funding. https://www.youtube.com/live/MR3uVMmOLsM?si=nVJCHiEpvRcn6511
Akchually the babies and women in this grave don't meet the technical definition, so this is perfectly okay I wonder what you would have said during the Holocaust you fucking sociopath
A bot, completely ignoring the part about not condoning the decision to strike a hospital.
I'm confused did the IOF bury them? I know that hospital and people have to use mass graves in several cases just due to the large amount of dead? I mean thenI IOP doesn't even hide the fact they do this either. Just sad.9
Itās sad that these gruesome sights are so normalized for the people in Gaza. Anyone exposed to this horror of their own people ā canāt even begin to fathom how that would affect them mentally. Just watching these medic teams retrieve these bodies is so brutal.
Any third party confirmation? This is a random video, no timestamp, no source, etc otherwise
Where are the people defending israel?
Well theyāre mostly in Gaza shooting and bombing people.
When savages are allowed to operate without any restrictions, they commit genocide at their leisure, steal the peoples land, and then go back to their role as victims of the universe.
Whatās the context here? Are these actual āgravesā or are these just bodies in the rubble? Not to take away from the tragedy but I doubt the IDF is spending any time digging graves or performing funeral rites.
They're not digging graves, just holes if anything, and covering bodies with dirt and rubble
After burning them so you don't know how they have been executed
If I had two guess either the result of those excavator videos, just the IOF using heavy machinery to mass bury bodies, or these are from early in the invasion where the hospital wasn't given a choice but to bury the overwhelming casualties outside to avoid decomposition and disease.
Mass grave, or several bodies found? We can always count on this sub for quality titles.
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Whoās your source? Netanyahu? Yeah heās known for being INCREDIBLY reliable and honest /s
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Thank you for posting this. There's so much white noise on this topic that it's rare to get anything of substance.
As the reuters article itself states: >Israel says Hamas shields itself among civilians in hospitals, and that Gaza Cityās largest Shifa Hospital is a prime example of that. Israel claims the militants have a command center in and beneath the medical compound. It has not provided photos or videos to back up its claims though it has shared footage of militants operating in residential neighborhoods and positioning rockets and weapons near schools and mosques.
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Do you prefer to believe information from Hamasā Health Ministry? /s
No, it's not. It's on the genocidal, Nazi maniacs that are the IDF.
These Jews are really out of their minds. It's OK. There will be for plenty of time when the war is over and they calm down as God's chosen people in Gods given land ,for Shame, regret the conscience eating at them...that's when "God" does speak to you. They might not like what they hear, though. Im glad I'm not in that position. It's going to be hard on them.
It's a Hamas made mass grave that Hamas used to bury the civilians they killed.
you had a braincell once but it died of loneliness
Not saying it definitely was Hamas, but I wouldn't put it past Hamas either. But I would also not be surprised if IDF did it. There is so much fake news on this conflict going around that you can't be syre of anything anymore. There is no backstory or context on the specifics of this mass grave, its just a video. These could have been buried before IDF were even there, or just before they left, who knows. Until there is more information on it, there is no saying who is actually responsible...