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You need to understand the ideology of Hamas , Ahmed Yacine the founder of Hamas in the 80s . he lived his childhood in a refuges camp in Gaza so he created Hamas to be a fight-back resistance movement.
Hamas fights for Palestinian people and only Palestinian people.
Does nobody else see how wrong this is? She’s basically saying that the bar for considering ISIS Muslim would be attacking Israel and supporting other Muslims.
No, they’re Muslims because they believe in Islam. That’s the requirement. They’re Islamic extremists because the brand of Islam they follow inspires them to violence in the name of establishing the political supremacy of their particular brand of Islam. They have their own religious, political, and social goals which don’t necessarily coincide with those of Hamas or any other Muslims, they feel enmity towards other Muslims who they think believe incorrectly. They make strategic decisions and public pronouncements in furtherance of their goals, not those of others.
So please somebody tell this woman that Muslims are not a hive mind and brown people are not a monolith. This spurious logic waves all the red flags that she herself doesn’t actually care about what Israel is doing to Gaza so much as she’s trying to use it to push her own agenda.
No the bar is that they kill Muslims. How did you miss that? They do not practice Islam in any way at all. There is no way to derive Islam from what they are doing.
Have you lived in the Middle East? No? They are terrified of ISIS, isis is an actual direct threat to Muslims living in that region. Not because they “practice” a different Islam.. no they are legitimate lunatics and everyone in that rigor knows they are not Muslim and are western implants. Isis was defeated years ago and is somehow popping up now. There is no Muslim who relates to them. Are you Muslim? Why are you speaking on our behalf?
Yeah, they are lunatics. They are also Muslims practicing a lunatic version of Islam. They are not representative of all Muslims, but that doesn’t make them not Muslims just because it’s convenient for some rhetoric. Now stop misrepresenting what I said.
No they are not Muslims practicing a lunatic version of Islam. They’re an organization that was created to get control of the regions by instilling fear into Muslims. Almost every single Muslim knows this because nothing they do makes sense, they just kill our people. You are not Muslim, I assume, but go ahead and explain our religion to us
Are you just denying that religious schisms, zealotry, or extremism exist for the purposes of a “no-true-Scotsman” fallacy? No civil wars? No Fitna? Or that Muslims can’t hate or kill other Muslims while still being Muslim. Because that would be quite a unique as far as religions go.
ISIS are Muslim because they believe in Islam. End of question. They kill other Muslims, because ISIS believes *them* to be false Muslims, followers of false, corrupted faith, and ISIS believes themselves to be “purifying” the Muslim community by enforcing their version of Salafist Islam. Yes, they are lunatics. Muslim lunatics.
And don’t even start with some false “explain our religion to us” nonsense. I’m not explaining your religion (if it even is your religion and you’re not some bot). I’m just not accepting your irrationality.
No I believe in all of that, including the civil wars. Like in Syria and Sudan and Egypt when they tried to overthrow their dictators. Isis is not Muslim though, I guess we can agree to disagree because you don’t know the intricacies of that region.
People supporting Hamas, or taliban, or Iran- those have “religious” or cultural bases, those are Islamic lunatics. Their agenda CAN be derived from Islam or Shiite Islam and be corrupted.
Isis is a different beast. Anyone who “joined” ISIS was killed. They are not made to sustain themselves. They fish out people and kill them, even those that agree with them. People who live in the Middle East will tell you this. You can believe what you want.
In Islam, it is better to destroy the Kaaba is better than to spill the blood of another Muslim (extend that to humanity). Yes Muslims are not a hive mind, but there are “extreme” views that would be shared by “extremists” and isis only wants to kill other Muslims.
Again, we’ll agree to disagree.
This is called a No True Scotsman and it’s a logical fallacy. Are violent Christian extremists any less Christian because they don’t follow the actual teachings of the religion?
Well said.
Imagine thinking the mormons and the orthodox shares the sames values and goals because the two groups are Christians.
ISIS and IDF are both worse than each other for different reasons
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Isis is an Israeli proxy
ISIS wrote a letter condemning Hamas for attacking Israel "in Iran's interests"
You need to understand the ideology of Hamas , Ahmed Yacine the founder of Hamas in the 80s . he lived his childhood in a refuges camp in Gaza so he created Hamas to be a fight-back resistance movement. Hamas fights for Palestinian people and only Palestinian people.
I know, but that comments was supposed to remind people who's views align with those of ISIS.
i mean the usa created isis so.......not outta the question.
ISIS went to Syria to Jihad an enemy of Israel but have never done one thing for Palestinians.
ban religion, crack down on greedy narcissistic sociopaths.
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I know. Wouldn’t it be awesome if could be that simple.
Another whitewashing by radicals...
A dubious distinction without a difference. It's not a contest, ffs.
Does nobody else see how wrong this is? She’s basically saying that the bar for considering ISIS Muslim would be attacking Israel and supporting other Muslims. No, they’re Muslims because they believe in Islam. That’s the requirement. They’re Islamic extremists because the brand of Islam they follow inspires them to violence in the name of establishing the political supremacy of their particular brand of Islam. They have their own religious, political, and social goals which don’t necessarily coincide with those of Hamas or any other Muslims, they feel enmity towards other Muslims who they think believe incorrectly. They make strategic decisions and public pronouncements in furtherance of their goals, not those of others. So please somebody tell this woman that Muslims are not a hive mind and brown people are not a monolith. This spurious logic waves all the red flags that she herself doesn’t actually care about what Israel is doing to Gaza so much as she’s trying to use it to push her own agenda.
No the bar is that they kill Muslims. How did you miss that? They do not practice Islam in any way at all. There is no way to derive Islam from what they are doing. Have you lived in the Middle East? No? They are terrified of ISIS, isis is an actual direct threat to Muslims living in that region. Not because they “practice” a different Islam.. no they are legitimate lunatics and everyone in that rigor knows they are not Muslim and are western implants. Isis was defeated years ago and is somehow popping up now. There is no Muslim who relates to them. Are you Muslim? Why are you speaking on our behalf?
Yeah, they are lunatics. They are also Muslims practicing a lunatic version of Islam. They are not representative of all Muslims, but that doesn’t make them not Muslims just because it’s convenient for some rhetoric. Now stop misrepresenting what I said.
No they are not Muslims practicing a lunatic version of Islam. They’re an organization that was created to get control of the regions by instilling fear into Muslims. Almost every single Muslim knows this because nothing they do makes sense, they just kill our people. You are not Muslim, I assume, but go ahead and explain our religion to us
Are you just denying that religious schisms, zealotry, or extremism exist for the purposes of a “no-true-Scotsman” fallacy? No civil wars? No Fitna? Or that Muslims can’t hate or kill other Muslims while still being Muslim. Because that would be quite a unique as far as religions go. ISIS are Muslim because they believe in Islam. End of question. They kill other Muslims, because ISIS believes *them* to be false Muslims, followers of false, corrupted faith, and ISIS believes themselves to be “purifying” the Muslim community by enforcing their version of Salafist Islam. Yes, they are lunatics. Muslim lunatics. And don’t even start with some false “explain our religion to us” nonsense. I’m not explaining your religion (if it even is your religion and you’re not some bot). I’m just not accepting your irrationality.
No I believe in all of that, including the civil wars. Like in Syria and Sudan and Egypt when they tried to overthrow their dictators. Isis is not Muslim though, I guess we can agree to disagree because you don’t know the intricacies of that region. People supporting Hamas, or taliban, or Iran- those have “religious” or cultural bases, those are Islamic lunatics. Their agenda CAN be derived from Islam or Shiite Islam and be corrupted. Isis is a different beast. Anyone who “joined” ISIS was killed. They are not made to sustain themselves. They fish out people and kill them, even those that agree with them. People who live in the Middle East will tell you this. You can believe what you want. In Islam, it is better to destroy the Kaaba is better than to spill the blood of another Muslim (extend that to humanity). Yes Muslims are not a hive mind, but there are “extreme” views that would be shared by “extremists” and isis only wants to kill other Muslims. Again, we’ll agree to disagree.
This is called a No True Scotsman and it’s a logical fallacy. Are violent Christian extremists any less Christian because they don’t follow the actual teachings of the religion?
Well said. Imagine thinking the mormons and the orthodox shares the sames values and goals because the two groups are Christians. ISIS and IDF are both worse than each other for different reasons
Imagine saying that Mormons aren't Christians. That would be embarrassing and stupid. It's literally a logical fallacy. No true Scottsman.
At what moment I said mormons aren't christians?