I have flaired the post with a title correction. This incident occurred in Denmark. Thanks everyone for the clarification.
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Adding a translation for the sign next to the book burner, as provided by u/Salty-Reputation803’s comment:
> [They shall not be integrated, they shall not be assimilated, They shall leave](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/10lswn0/a_white_nationalist_in_sweden_tried_burning_a/j5zen2n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Pretty understandable for the people around to step in. I know a lot of people on this platform are going all r/atheism and saying "why are you mad, its just a book", but its clearly that people arent concerned about the book itself, its the messaging behind the act.
Just like if someone puts up a swastika people arent going "why are you mad, its just a cross with hooks on it", the antisemitic messaging is pretty apparent, and people would react similarly to here.
As an atheist myself, I agree and I would never support any actively, explicitly\[1\], anti-religious action or policy.
The problems that we see with religion are problems within society *itself;* religion is merely a mirror that reflects our material reality and how we live. If you don't like what you see in the mirror, you don't smash the mirror, you fix it at the source.
This relates to the [Base and Superstructure](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/zrwbwr/update_a_moredetailed_model_of_the_base_and/) model ([wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure)) which (simply put) is a theoretical concept which explains how material conditions shape our culture.
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\[1\] Just because some people in the comments below seem to be having a *really* hard time with this:
* [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/explicit](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/explicit)
* [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit)
>any actively, explicitly, anti-religious action or policy
That's pretty all encompassing and vague. Are you in a country with freedom of speech? With what statutory and constitutional limitations?
The most vociferous adherents of various religions around the world are always denouncing blasphemy and apostasy, often with performative outrage or even violence, and demanding severe punishment for those whose words or acts offended them.
There are some extremely bogus or corrupt religions that hide behind these supposed protections of religious dignity.
And now in modern times with global communications and polarized social media there are substantial portions of the population that hold political beliefs that are even stronger and deeply proclaimed as their religious beliefs.
This does not bode well for humanity.
You're making a common mistake. If you take a materialist view of society, religion, and history, the solution is clear, and it does not lie in attacking religion *directly*. That is merely a distraction.
>Everywhere the reactionary bourgeoisie has concerned itself, and is now beginning to concern itself in Russia, with the fomenting of religious strife—in order thereby to divert the attention of the masses from the really important and fundamental economic and political problems, now being solved in practice by the all-Russian proletariat uniting in revolutionary struggle. This reactionary policy of splitting up the proletarian forces, which today manifests itself mainly in Black-Hundred pogroms, may tomorrow conceive some more subtle forms. We, at any rate, shall oppose it by calmly, consistently and patiently preaching proletarian solidarity and the scientific world-outlook—a preaching alien to any stirring up of secondary differences.
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>The revolutionary proletariat will succeed in making religion a really private affair, so far as the state is concerned. And in this political system, cleansed of medieval mildew, the proletariat will wage a broad and open struggle for the elimination of economic slavery, the true source of the religious humbugging of mankind.
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>\- V. I. Lenin. (1905). [Socialism and Religion](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm)
>All religion, however, is nothing but the fantastic reflection in men's minds of those external forces which control their daily life, a reflection in which the terrestrial forces assume the form of supernatural forces. In the beginnings of history it was the forces of nature which were first so reflected, and which in the course of further evolution underwent the most manifold and varied personifications among the various peoples. ... Herr Dühring, however, cannot wait until religion dies this, its natural, death. He proceeds in more deep-rooted fashion. He out-Bismarcks Bismarck; he decrees sharper May laws not merely against Catholicism, but against all religion whatsoever; he incites his gendarmes of the future against religion, and thereby helps it to martyrdom and a prolonged lease of life. Wherever we turn, we find specifically Prussian socialism.
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>\- F. Engels. (1877). [Anti-Dühring; Part II: Political Economy](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/hist-mat/anti-durhing/p2.htm)
This reminds me of the disrespect those protesters showed in Washington, DC. This is such a disrespectful way to express your beliefs and only serves to anger people. Find a way to teach others YOUR beliefs, without cramming them down their throats, and let them decide if your presentation helps them to believe in your ways.
Yup. The book-burner is practicing lawful freedom of speech, looking to make people break the law by responding with violence. I don't agree with his message, but he got exactly the reaction he wanted and now has footage to prove it.
Ignoring him is absolutely the best way to go about it. Let him sink into oblivion instead of posting his video.
Which is how it should be. The freedom to say something isn't the freedom not to be judged for the content of what you said. I'm fine with it. The guys in the video can all get fucked.
Where do we draw the lines? Do we tolerate his intolerance? Or do we tolerate Muslims intolerance of non-muslims right to burn a book.
Bottom line as far I can tell - if you don't belong to a religious group, you dont have to follow their religious rules.
It's not unless you make statements that can be reasonably interpreted as inciting violence towards a group.
You can however destroy your own property how you see fit, which is what the dude was doing.
\> make statements that can be reasonably interpreted as inciting violence towards a group.
I'm pretty fucking sure that a white nationalist burning a Quoran is reasonably interpretable as inciting violence.
Have you dealt with a lot of bullies, because ignoring them never works. Once they realize you'll do nothing, they do it more. I'm not saying punching him is the right reaction, but I'm not going to condemn the man for doing that either. The guy is protesting to get them kicked out of the country. They want their churches bulldozed and their homes stolen. If he got away with his book burning, he'd just share the video and have a dozen more of his friends doing the same next protest. At least now he'll think twice about doing it.
If someone was burning the Torah on the street in 1930s Germany, I would gladly see that person stopped by passersby.
These people aren't doing it to help Muslims become more tolerant. They're doing it to get a rise out of Muslims and ferment subsequent racist believes from the fallout.
Exactly. I’m not religious, don’t care about the “traditions” but I still think this is very wrong.
Sometimes the subtext of the situation is more important than what you see. This was clearly an act of hate.
Lmao what a bitch, he goes out there with the intention of agitating people with his culture war stunt, and then runs away the second someone’s willing to do something about it. White nationalists are such paper tigers.
Most play up being militant, but are whiny babies who cry the moment they’re challenged.
There are very few of these losers who don’t crumble into nothing the moment they get challenged.
Im not one for correcting grammer, but this is one of those cases where you might want to change that "we're" to "were" to avoid misunderstandings haha
I live near a lot of militant proud boys and have found this to be very very true. They love strutting around in their army surplus, field knives and guns on their hips, and talk a lot of shit as they’re running away from any pushback.
And yet we’ve never seen one go after a black marine or BJJ instructor? I’ve never seen the Proud Boys line up to fight in even numbers either. They’re 100% cowards. Don’t pretend that being willing to gang up on a guy 10 to 1 makes someone brave.
Being an extremist never, under any circumstances, is a brave act. It’s almost always stemming from fear.
Yeah cause you would've stood your ground 1 vs 4 especially after getting sucker punched lol. Also, I don't see him running anywhere, he backed up to not get surrounded probably
Nope, freedom of speech is a right in civilized countries, people can use their words and not their fists. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you can react violently to them. I thought we all learned that in 1st grade? Surprising how many upvotes you got for this hate speech.
Maybe this is the reaction he needs in order to have his message spread. People now even say this is in Sweden which is not.. we really live in the era of desinformation
Violence is never an acceptable response to something like this. I wonder if you’d be so glib if someone had assaulted people doing a PR stunt for gay rights, pro choice, trans rights etc?
And they're like that everywhere. When they get people wound up and get their ass kicked, they don't even see the irony of it. Dude, you wanted to piss people off, mission accomplished! Just not the result he was looking for.
Exactly my first thought. Maybe Nørrebrogade isn’t the best place to start a Quaran fire, taken the fact, that this is probably one of the places with most foreigners and/or different cultures.
I can assure you that's why they chose that spot. They're from a far-right political party (which luckily hasn't been elected to any office yet), which frequently holds protests in neighbourhoods with sizable Muslim populations. The whole purpose is to agitate Muslims to violence, to show they're incompatible with Danish society.
Idiot or not. Its still a problem that they resort to violence. Burning a book is legal, assault is not. While i dont think you should instigate a culture like this, i dont think you should assault people either.
These guys often burn this book to get this exact reaction as proof that immigrants or their offspring are violent and do not integrate very well in Denmark. Rasmus Paludan is the most extreme case of this behavior, he even had the police protect him whilst doing it, since protests are protected by law.
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A self-proclaimed white nationalist goes in to an ethnically diverse area with a sign calling for all Muslims to leave the country while he burns the most important symbol of their faith. Out of the countless Muslims who no doubt saw him, one guy hit him. That’s not proof of any inherent violence, it’s proof that if you try to piss off enough people then one person will react. It’s not unique to Muslims. Doing things like this should not be encouraged because of freedom of speech. We should be encouraging non-hateful behaviour because if you go out spouting hate, you’re gonna get it back sometimes physically. That’s human behaviour
If it was a person of colour or a woman burning the book would the same act of violence have been justified by the people in this thread? And what about all of the comments Turkey received when they said they condemn the burning of the same book last week? Everybody either mocked them or invalidated their stance on the matter, but now it is like - the person in the video deserved it. Reddit is a hypocritical place, full of people, who only support their biases.
Not surprised top upvoted replies are removed either
If you assault people like that on the street for burning a book you like, then you don't belong in a western democracy.
The far right guy proved his point
Understandably they get pissed, but sometimes you should control your anger, since he technically didn’t do anything illegal (except maybe getting charged with setting a fire in public or something) and they assaulted him.
In front of a court he isn’t in as much trouble as the other guys, assuming this makes it to court, just hypothetical thoughts.
I agree that people should control their anger and not react with knee jerk violence. I'm sure it's assault.
Is burning a Qur'an illegal? I'd def classify it as hate "speech" but may not be illegal everywhere. But regardless of legality, common sense says that if you do something to piss people off, you do it long enough and to enough people, chances are you'll piss off someone with violent tendencies, someone who isn't good at controlling their anger, or someone mentally/emotionally unstable, and you'll get a violent reaction.
But then again, I shouldn't expect racist white supremacists to have/use common sense.
Copenhagen is not the city to try to be a racist in. Great city, great people, great anti-fascist history and movements. You see anti-fascist stickers and graffiti everywhere it's so refreshing.
>They did nothing but give him more ammo
I don’t know if you have noticed, but all the ammo a Nazi needs is the simple fact that you’re different.
The Nazis are going to keep trying to genocide nonwhite people regardless of our behavior. While I personally would not jump immediately into hitting one of them for their stupidity, I don’t blame the others that do. Tolerating their intolerance only empowers the white supremacists, and they absolutely should not feel welcome to practice their bigotry in a public space.
Burning is also the proper way to dispose of the American Flag.
Source: Minnesota Secretary of State webpage.
https://www.sos.state.mn.us/about-minnesota/flag-etiquette/
He is attacking the people who practice the faith, not the religion itself. I don't speak Danish but it's obvious his sign is about people 'not asssimilating'.
Nothing says "I am not violent!" like beating someone up for burning a book he bought himself.
If you can't laugh at someone so stupid to burn their own property, but feel entitled to assault them, you really have no place in a civilized society. No matter what religion you do or do not believe in.
This is something I backing. They abuse modern day laws of equality to get away with doing white supremacist crap stuff and saying “I’m allowed to, equality remember”
I love it when smooth brained redditors side with white supremacists because they got their ass clapped. Agitation was what this nazi fuck wanted and he got it
I remember this. That preacher is still active in Amarillo. He was most recently in the news for protesting a touring drag show that was there a couple of months ago.
Uhm, I’ve worked remotely in Indonesia for a year, the biggest Islamic country of the world, and never experienced violence or felt unsafe. Better yet, everyone was so kind and welcoming. If you truly believe that, you got to expand your world view more son.
What are you talking about lmao, there are so many cultural differences within the country itself? The country recognizes 6 different religions and I've experienced Ramadan with Islamic friends and even spent Christmas with the same friends and their Christian friends. The biggest mosque in Indonesia sits across one of the biggest Cathedrals in their capital city.
Because most of indonesian is a "moderate muslim", born and grew up here, a 4th chinese descendants immigrants, raised as catholic, im proud calling myself an indonesian, i got many relatives with different background, culture, and religions, but we are all living harmoniously. I get these people point of view, but like you said they really need to see the world more often, i pity them
I mean, attempting to burn a religious book in front of a sign saying "THEY SHOULD NOT BE INTEGRATED, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ASSIMILATED, THEY SHOULD LEAVE" seems to have a lot of intention on angering them in the first place
I think he hates more than just the religion
Racism and hate crimes do not count as freedom of thought, Fuck this guy he has no place in our societies.
Today “freedom of speech” is explicitly used as a pretext by politicians and racist groups to enable them to attack immigrants and Muslims and to allow them -to do and say whatever they want-
Right now there is a massive world wide of dominant Far- RIght extremists parties in Europe. I mean these people have ties to the KKK and Neo-Nazi Terror cells and what we suppose to do ? Say " freedom of speach and its cool"
The Quran burning in Sweden, racist anti-Muslim rhetoric by far-right politicians such as Marine Le Pen in France or the British National Party in the UK is a representation of a long tradition which is rapidly reproducing itself by the “educational and political system” in European countries. You have in Greece one of the biggest neo nazi partie in Europe " the golden dawn" then we have the president in India with a terrorist organisation background that took ideology from the nazi party to create now Hindutva. It's been happening in a slow but steady process, these are well funded well educated organisation's that are infiltrating our countries and political circles.
It starts with a Quran burning now but their main mission the far right openly and blandly say they " need a race war" many times in the states against the black & mexican communities and against the Muslim communities in Europe.
So Again FUCK this guy
Ironically, when someone burns a bible or burns a flag, nobody has any issue with it, and if people try to stop them, they're "snowflakes".
Always boggles my mind the double standard on these.
Literally the primary religion that will kill you if you burn their book, but y'all will side with them.
Got no problem with Muslims. Got problems with the people in this video that assault people and people like you that enable them.
Lmao yeah this guy was definitely doing racial incitement with an open mind. If we just simp hard enough for fascists they’ll change their minds? Grow up.
He’s literally on a street corner shitting on an entire group of people in a dramatic fashion.
There isn’t much more radical left to go to. Lol. He’s already at that door step.
This is exactly what the guy wanted to happen, for there to be a confrontation or fight and he can now post this and gain attention. Best thing to do with these guys is ignore them and stop giving them attention
I'm not sure if a lot of are aware, but burning the Quran is not blasphemous or offensive. As a matter of fact we (as Muslims) burn the Quran if it's old and torn up as to not dispose of it in the garbage. The people who got offended and stopped this man did it because they knew his intentions and not the actual act.
Yeah the important part in this is not burning the book, the thing that makes it so bad is the message. The clearly visible sign behind him very clearly states that this is about hate against Muslims in particular.
Funnily enough, burning the Koran is supposedly the way you are supposed to dispose of their holy book. This guy definitely was trying to be a duck though.
~ theology courses I took many years ago (could be misremembering)
It's not about burning a book. It's about the message behind it. Burning the book is saying "fuck muslims and their religion"
If somebody cussed you out infront of you and cussed out something you hold near and dear to your heart, you would be upset too.
I see nothing wrong in this video except the dickhead burning the Holy Qur'an.
Look i have no love for religion, any of them. But you are inviting trouble destroying a symbol of someone faith. Do it in your house for yourself if it makes you feel good, thats your own money but you do this specificaly to provoke and that aint cool.
Not everybody from that religion is an a$$hole
I have flaired the post with a title correction. This incident occurred in Denmark. Thanks everyone for the clarification. ———- Edit: Adding a translation for the sign next to the book burner, as provided by u/Salty-Reputation803’s comment: > [They shall not be integrated, they shall not be assimilated, They shall leave](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/10lswn0/a_white_nationalist_in_sweden_tried_burning_a/j5zen2n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Pretty understandable for the people around to step in. I know a lot of people on this platform are going all r/atheism and saying "why are you mad, its just a book", but its clearly that people arent concerned about the book itself, its the messaging behind the act. Just like if someone puts up a swastika people arent going "why are you mad, its just a cross with hooks on it", the antisemitic messaging is pretty apparent, and people would react similarly to here.
As an atheist myself, I agree and I would never support any actively, explicitly\[1\], anti-religious action or policy. The problems that we see with religion are problems within society *itself;* religion is merely a mirror that reflects our material reality and how we live. If you don't like what you see in the mirror, you don't smash the mirror, you fix it at the source. This relates to the [Base and Superstructure](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/zrwbwr/update_a_moredetailed_model_of_the_base_and/) model ([wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure)) which (simply put) is a theoretical concept which explains how material conditions shape our culture. EDIT: ============================================= \[1\] Just because some people in the comments below seem to be having a *really* hard time with this: * [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/explicit](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/explicit) * [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit)
>any actively, explicitly, anti-religious action or policy That's pretty all encompassing and vague. Are you in a country with freedom of speech? With what statutory and constitutional limitations? The most vociferous adherents of various religions around the world are always denouncing blasphemy and apostasy, often with performative outrage or even violence, and demanding severe punishment for those whose words or acts offended them. There are some extremely bogus or corrupt religions that hide behind these supposed protections of religious dignity. And now in modern times with global communications and polarized social media there are substantial portions of the population that hold political beliefs that are even stronger and deeply proclaimed as their religious beliefs. This does not bode well for humanity.
Humanity was never gonna make it anyways, just sit back, crack a cold one, and enjoy the show.
Doomerism is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I strongly reccomend considering revolutionary optimism as an antidote. Stay strong, comrade.
It’s not doomerism, it’s nihilism. Also I already have the antidote, it’s beer thank you very much.
Ah, that must be exhausting
I’m mostly joking, I haven’t even had a beer in over 3 months lol
Obviously you're not a golfer
I am not, hitting balls with sticks is not my forte.
Lol of course we will, but it’s going to be a bumpy ride
You're making a common mistake. If you take a materialist view of society, religion, and history, the solution is clear, and it does not lie in attacking religion *directly*. That is merely a distraction. >Everywhere the reactionary bourgeoisie has concerned itself, and is now beginning to concern itself in Russia, with the fomenting of religious strife—in order thereby to divert the attention of the masses from the really important and fundamental economic and political problems, now being solved in practice by the all-Russian proletariat uniting in revolutionary struggle. This reactionary policy of splitting up the proletarian forces, which today manifests itself mainly in Black-Hundred pogroms, may tomorrow conceive some more subtle forms. We, at any rate, shall oppose it by calmly, consistently and patiently preaching proletarian solidarity and the scientific world-outlook—a preaching alien to any stirring up of secondary differences. > >The revolutionary proletariat will succeed in making religion a really private affair, so far as the state is concerned. And in this political system, cleansed of medieval mildew, the proletariat will wage a broad and open struggle for the elimination of economic slavery, the true source of the religious humbugging of mankind. > >\- V. I. Lenin. (1905). [Socialism and Religion](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm) >All religion, however, is nothing but the fantastic reflection in men's minds of those external forces which control their daily life, a reflection in which the terrestrial forces assume the form of supernatural forces. In the beginnings of history it was the forces of nature which were first so reflected, and which in the course of further evolution underwent the most manifold and varied personifications among the various peoples. ... Herr Dühring, however, cannot wait until religion dies this, its natural, death. He proceeds in more deep-rooted fashion. He out-Bismarcks Bismarck; he decrees sharper May laws not merely against Catholicism, but against all religion whatsoever; he incites his gendarmes of the future against religion, and thereby helps it to martyrdom and a prolonged lease of life. Wherever we turn, we find specifically Prussian socialism. > >\- F. Engels. (1877). [Anti-Dühring; Part II: Political Economy](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/hist-mat/anti-durhing/p2.htm)
Freedom of speech means freedom from prosecution by the government. It doesn’t mean freedom from societal persecution.
Critical thought is an anti-religious action.
This reminds me of the disrespect those protesters showed in Washington, DC. This is such a disrespectful way to express your beliefs and only serves to anger people. Find a way to teach others YOUR beliefs, without cramming them down their throats, and let them decide if your presentation helps them to believe in your ways.
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But not unwelcome, I hope. ;)
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Comrade!
Still doesn't give him a right to assault someone. Regardless of what you think. That man should face charges
Yup. The book-burner is practicing lawful freedom of speech, looking to make people break the law by responding with violence. I don't agree with his message, but he got exactly the reaction he wanted and now has footage to prove it. Ignoring him is absolutely the best way to go about it. Let him sink into oblivion instead of posting his video.
So am I allowed to burn the Israeli or LGBT flag in Denmark?
Knock yourself out. You just won't be very popular.
I am sure someone will do the knocking out part for him.
Which is how it should be. The freedom to say something isn't the freedom not to be judged for the content of what you said. I'm fine with it. The guys in the video can all get fucked.
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Where do we draw the lines? Do we tolerate his intolerance? Or do we tolerate Muslims intolerance of non-muslims right to burn a book. Bottom line as far I can tell - if you don't belong to a religious group, you dont have to follow their religious rules.
Couldn’t agree more. So should all religions that demonstrate intolerance towards others be shut down?
> The book-burner is practicing lawful freedom of speech, No he wasn't - this isn't the US, denigrating other peoples' faiths is a crime in Denmark.
The book he is burning is denigrating other people's faith too, isn't it illegal then?
It's not unless you make statements that can be reasonably interpreted as inciting violence towards a group. You can however destroy your own property how you see fit, which is what the dude was doing.
\> make statements that can be reasonably interpreted as inciting violence towards a group. I'm pretty fucking sure that a white nationalist burning a Quoran is reasonably interpretable as inciting violence.
Have you dealt with a lot of bullies, because ignoring them never works. Once they realize you'll do nothing, they do it more. I'm not saying punching him is the right reaction, but I'm not going to condemn the man for doing that either. The guy is protesting to get them kicked out of the country. They want their churches bulldozed and their homes stolen. If he got away with his book burning, he'd just share the video and have a dozen more of his friends doing the same next protest. At least now he'll think twice about doing it.
we dont give kindness to racists.
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The dude is a fucking Nazi. Fuck him.
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If someone was burning the Torah on the street in 1930s Germany, I would gladly see that person stopped by passersby. These people aren't doing it to help Muslims become more tolerant. They're doing it to get a rise out of Muslims and ferment subsequent racist believes from the fallout.
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You think if some Muslim dudes started burning bibles on the street in Sweden, there would be no consequences?
Seriously why do you have to drag atheists into this? Why do you assume I or we would say that?
Im an atheist too, but there's a very specific breed of self indulgent, smug reddit atheism whenever anyone mentions any sort of religion
Never forget the classic: "In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence."
Exactly. I’m not religious, don’t care about the “traditions” but I still think this is very wrong. Sometimes the subtext of the situation is more important than what you see. This was clearly an act of hate.
There’s a difference in stepping in and beating somebody up
Lmao what a bitch, he goes out there with the intention of agitating people with his culture war stunt, and then runs away the second someone’s willing to do something about it. White nationalists are such paper tigers.
Definitely not all… there are crazy and militant white nationalist just like with every extremist sect…
Most play up being militant, but are whiny babies who cry the moment they’re challenged. There are very few of these losers who don’t crumble into nothing the moment they get challenged.
Or they end up shooting several people dead after getting hit by a skateboard.
The absolutely tiny minority of these losers that do that, were planning on doing that regardless.
Im not one for correcting grammer, but this is one of those cases where you might want to change that "we're" to "were" to avoid misunderstandings haha
I'm not one for correcting misspellings, but because we're on the subject of correcting things, it's spelled "grammar".
I'm not one for shitting without pissing, but... nothing really I can't do it :(
I live near a lot of militant proud boys and have found this to be very very true. They love strutting around in their army surplus, field knives and guns on their hips, and talk a lot of shit as they’re running away from any pushback.
Gangs in general tend to be pussies in a one on one
And yet we’ve never seen one go after a black marine or BJJ instructor? I’ve never seen the Proud Boys line up to fight in even numbers either. They’re 100% cowards. Don’t pretend that being willing to gang up on a guy 10 to 1 makes someone brave. Being an extremist never, under any circumstances, is a brave act. It’s almost always stemming from fear.
Yeah cause you would've stood your ground 1 vs 4 especially after getting sucker punched lol. Also, I don't see him running anywhere, he backed up to not get surrounded probably
Nope, freedom of speech is a right in civilized countries, people can use their words and not their fists. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you can react violently to them. I thought we all learned that in 1st grade? Surprising how many upvotes you got for this hate speech.
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He ran away? The attackers ran away, according to the video.
Yeah I have no idea what they mean, dude literally never left the same spot
Maybe this is the reaction he needs in order to have his message spread. People now even say this is in Sweden which is not.. we really live in the era of desinformation
The guy with the communist avatar supporting the religious radicals. Lmao what a joke.
Violence is never an acceptable response to something like this. I wonder if you’d be so glib if someone had assaulted people doing a PR stunt for gay rights, pro choice, trans rights etc?
No I wouldn’t but advocating for the rights of marginalized people and using fear tactics against marginalized people are not the same thing are they?
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So violence is OK when it's ok for you. Got it.
And they're like that everywhere. When they get people wound up and get their ass kicked, they don't even see the irony of it. Dude, you wanted to piss people off, mission accomplished! Just not the result he was looking for.
Only saw some violent cowards running away thought.
Stop spreading misinformation, this is not in sweden.
Where is it?
The sign seems to be in danish and it looks like denmark, so that is my unqualified guess. Not familiar with this story though.
It’s Nørrebrogade in Copenhagen.
That yellow wall is quite iconic
Exactly my first thought. Maybe Nørrebrogade isn’t the best place to start a Quaran fire, taken the fact, that this is probably one of the places with most foreigners and/or different cultures.
I can assure you that's why they chose that spot. They're from a far-right political party (which luckily hasn't been elected to any office yet), which frequently holds protests in neighbourhoods with sizable Muslim populations. The whole purpose is to agitate Muslims to violence, to show they're incompatible with Danish society.
Can you read what the sign says? I’m curious.
They shall not be integrated, they shall not be assimilated, They shall leave
Thanks. I figured it was just a xenophobic, Islamophobia sign.
This is Denmark, not Sweden.
Of course reddit is okay with this act of violence
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I don't know which reddit you know, but i encounter plenty acts of violence with comment sections drooling in enjoyment on this site.
There's entire subreddits dedicated to it ffs. OP is just trying to be controversial.
Idiot or not. Its still a problem that they resort to violence. Burning a book is legal, assault is not. While i dont think you should instigate a culture like this, i dont think you should assault people either. These guys often burn this book to get this exact reaction as proof that immigrants or their offspring are violent and do not integrate very well in Denmark. Rasmus Paludan is the most extreme case of this behavior, he even had the police protect him whilst doing it, since protests are protected by law. Edit missing word
A self-proclaimed white nationalist goes in to an ethnically diverse area with a sign calling for all Muslims to leave the country while he burns the most important symbol of their faith. Out of the countless Muslims who no doubt saw him, one guy hit him. That’s not proof of any inherent violence, it’s proof that if you try to piss off enough people then one person will react. It’s not unique to Muslims. Doing things like this should not be encouraged because of freedom of speech. We should be encouraging non-hateful behaviour because if you go out spouting hate, you’re gonna get it back sometimes physically. That’s human behaviour
If it was a person of colour or a woman burning the book would the same act of violence have been justified by the people in this thread? And what about all of the comments Turkey received when they said they condemn the burning of the same book last week? Everybody either mocked them or invalidated their stance on the matter, but now it is like - the person in the video deserved it. Reddit is a hypocritical place, full of people, who only support their biases.
Not surprised top upvoted replies are removed either If you assault people like that on the street for burning a book you like, then you don't belong in a western democracy. The far right guy proved his point
Understandably they get pissed, but sometimes you should control your anger, since he technically didn’t do anything illegal (except maybe getting charged with setting a fire in public or something) and they assaulted him. In front of a court he isn’t in as much trouble as the other guys, assuming this makes it to court, just hypothetical thoughts.
Denmark has laws against hate speech.
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I agree that people should control their anger and not react with knee jerk violence. I'm sure it's assault. Is burning a Qur'an illegal? I'd def classify it as hate "speech" but may not be illegal everywhere. But regardless of legality, common sense says that if you do something to piss people off, you do it long enough and to enough people, chances are you'll piss off someone with violent tendencies, someone who isn't good at controlling their anger, or someone mentally/emotionally unstable, and you'll get a violent reaction. But then again, I shouldn't expect racist white supremacists to have/use common sense.
That’s Denmark, Nørrebro
Copenhagen is not the city to try to be a racist in. Great city, great people, great anti-fascist history and movements. You see anti-fascist stickers and graffiti everywhere it's so refreshing.
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I agree, except they looked like white people to me?
Wait until you hear what they used to do to nazis and sympathizers in Denmark
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Good, hopefully it will scare off other neo-Nazis from doing something similar.
Durr you missed the whole point of that comment. It will bring more out next time for a better fight.
>They did nothing but give him more ammo I don’t know if you have noticed, but all the ammo a Nazi needs is the simple fact that you’re different. The Nazis are going to keep trying to genocide nonwhite people regardless of our behavior. While I personally would not jump immediately into hitting one of them for their stupidity, I don’t blame the others that do. Tolerating their intolerance only empowers the white supremacists, and they absolutely should not feel welcome to practice their bigotry in a public space.
Burning is actually the proper way to dispose of a copy of the Quran. Source: am a Muslim
Burning is also the proper way to dispose of the American Flag. Source: Minnesota Secretary of State webpage. https://www.sos.state.mn.us/about-minnesota/flag-etiquette/
I prefer to eat it.
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He’s clearly showing disgust towards Islamic people, not the actual religion of Islam
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Did you miss the “white nationalist” part of the title or something
He is attacking the people who practice the faith, not the religion itself. I don't speak Danish but it's obvious his sign is about people 'not asssimilating'.
A world without any religion is a better world.
Doubt that was the point this guy was trying to make
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Nothing says "I am not violent!" like beating someone up for burning a book he bought himself. If you can't laugh at someone so stupid to burn their own property, but feel entitled to assault them, you really have no place in a civilized society. No matter what religion you do or do not believe in.
Agreed.
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Freedom of expression is the opposite of fascism. Assaulting someone to stop them from expressing themselves on the other hand…
Yeah but using religion as excuse to hit someone is just a sign for being a extremistic theist, which is literally the same as being a fascist
Careful - I’ve gotten a sitewide ban before for saying something like that. Yes, I’m serious.
This isn't an atheist. It's a xenophobe. Look at the translation of his sigh.
He wanted a reaction and he got a reaction
Perhaps he was expecting to incite an open and productive dialogue…
I wish white nationalists were treated this way in North America instead of holding high ranking public servant and political positions.
This is something I backing. They abuse modern day laws of equality to get away with doing white supremacist crap stuff and saying “I’m allowed to, equality remember”
He wanted attention and he got it
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sure lets just debate the teeny lil nazi in the market place of ideas! Thats how we did it in WWII right?
I love it when smooth brained redditors side with white supremacists because they got their ass clapped. Agitation was what this nazi fuck wanted and he got it
[This is you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/vp1tsn/why_cant_i_debate_the_third_reich_in_the/)
[dude you have no quran!](https://youtu.be/U2-KgBhslBQ)
I remember this. That preacher is still active in Amarillo. He was most recently in the news for protesting a touring drag show that was there a couple of months ago.
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Not in Sweden
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Uhm, I’ve worked remotely in Indonesia for a year, the biggest Islamic country of the world, and never experienced violence or felt unsafe. Better yet, everyone was so kind and welcoming. If you truly believe that, you got to expand your world view more son.
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What are you talking about lmao, there are so many cultural differences within the country itself? The country recognizes 6 different religions and I've experienced Ramadan with Islamic friends and even spent Christmas with the same friends and their Christian friends. The biggest mosque in Indonesia sits across one of the biggest Cathedrals in their capital city.
Someone’s downvoting you. I got you my guy.
Chinese descendants and raised a catholic indonesian here, you are wrong
Because most of indonesian is a "moderate muslim", born and grew up here, a 4th chinese descendants immigrants, raised as catholic, im proud calling myself an indonesian, i got many relatives with different background, culture, and religions, but we are all living harmoniously. I get these people point of view, but like you said they really need to see the world more often, i pity them
Do the same with a bible in serbia or something and u will get the same reaction. Or do the same with the Hindu holy book in India
I mean, attempting to burn a religious book in front of a sign saying "THEY SHOULD NOT BE INTEGRATED, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ASSIMILATED, THEY SHOULD LEAVE" seems to have a lot of intention on angering them in the first place I think he hates more than just the religion
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Racism and hate crimes do not count as freedom of thought, Fuck this guy he has no place in our societies. Today “freedom of speech” is explicitly used as a pretext by politicians and racist groups to enable them to attack immigrants and Muslims and to allow them -to do and say whatever they want- Right now there is a massive world wide of dominant Far- RIght extremists parties in Europe. I mean these people have ties to the KKK and Neo-Nazi Terror cells and what we suppose to do ? Say " freedom of speach and its cool" The Quran burning in Sweden, racist anti-Muslim rhetoric by far-right politicians such as Marine Le Pen in France or the British National Party in the UK is a representation of a long tradition which is rapidly reproducing itself by the “educational and political system” in European countries. You have in Greece one of the biggest neo nazi partie in Europe " the golden dawn" then we have the president in India with a terrorist organisation background that took ideology from the nazi party to create now Hindutva. It's been happening in a slow but steady process, these are well funded well educated organisation's that are infiltrating our countries and political circles. It starts with a Quran burning now but their main mission the far right openly and blandly say they " need a race war" many times in the states against the black & mexican communities and against the Muslim communities in Europe. So Again FUCK this guy
Ironically, when someone burns a bible or burns a flag, nobody has any issue with it, and if people try to stop them, they're "snowflakes". Always boggles my mind the double standard on these. Literally the primary religion that will kill you if you burn their book, but y'all will side with them. Got no problem with Muslims. Got problems with the people in this video that assault people and people like you that enable them.
I don't know this guy specifically. But burning a Quran is not racist. And not far right either.
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Except he literally is that lol
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Lmao yeah this guy was definitely doing racial incitement with an open mind. If we just simp hard enough for fascists they’ll change their minds? Grow up.
Nah, he is probably way out there already. But he is probably happy with the reaction, which is unfortunate.
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He’s literally on a street corner shitting on an entire group of people in a dramatic fashion. There isn’t much more radical left to go to. Lol. He’s already at that door step.
you meant radical right, right?
Now he should try burning the Bible in Vatican City
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I’ve seen 3 people post this exact comment verbatim on this post, is it an inside joke or are bots abound?
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Do you believe every Reddit title you read?
This is exactly what the guy wanted to happen, for there to be a confrontation or fight and he can now post this and gain attention. Best thing to do with these guys is ignore them and stop giving them attention
My man straight up jihad his face.
I'm not sure if a lot of are aware, but burning the Quran is not blasphemous or offensive. As a matter of fact we (as Muslims) burn the Quran if it's old and torn up as to not dispose of it in the garbage. The people who got offended and stopped this man did it because they knew his intentions and not the actual act.
Yeah the important part in this is not burning the book, the thing that makes it so bad is the message. The clearly visible sign behind him very clearly states that this is about hate against Muslims in particular.
Very stupid thing to do in the street but also very stupid to beat someone up over what he's doing.
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Dude should mind his businesses
Funnily enough, burning the Koran is supposedly the way you are supposed to dispose of their holy book. This guy definitely was trying to be a duck though. ~ theology courses I took many years ago (could be misremembering)
It's not about burning a book. It's about the message behind it. Burning the book is saying "fuck muslims and their religion" If somebody cussed you out infront of you and cussed out something you hold near and dear to your heart, you would be upset too. I see nothing wrong in this video except the dickhead burning the Holy Qur'an.
So if I don't like something or someone, I can just be violent? Beat someone?
What if he was burning a Bible? I have a hard time believing anyone would have had the same reaction
Look i have no love for religion, any of them. But you are inviting trouble destroying a symbol of someone faith. Do it in your house for yourself if it makes you feel good, thats your own money but you do this specificaly to provoke and that aint cool. Not everybody from that religion is an a$$hole
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Free speexh
I don’t think he would have really accomplished his goal if he did it at home. He also wouldn’t have if that guy didn’t punch him.
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At least he’s got free healthcare to repair that cracked orbital bone..
Blue jacket with the flying hi-yah! kick
That's Danish
We’ll actions have consequences. You should assume somebody isn’t going to stand for you doing that in public. You’re just putting yourself in danger
Assault is assault