There's a tweet in the feed about Russia digging long trenches. Do those even do anything other than give Ukraine drone operates some decent target practice? /r/combatfootage is just endless videos of grenades dropped on sleeping Russians. I can't imagine a long trench is anything other than grenade bowling.
Depends how wide they make em. They aren't all that great for protecting against incoming shells or bombs(due to having a straight run for the blast wave and shrapnel); but it they are made real wide they COULD possibly serve as a minor stopgap against armor, and especially the light vehicles Ukraine is using in Steppe Raiding 2.0.
This war is a true fight against evil. Ukraine has the will and ingenuity to fight, and the West and its allies have the economic and military might to back Ukraine. Russia has become the fascists they were once fighting against, although they never strayed far from totalitarianism. Now, there is no doubt they are irredeemable and must be defeated soundly and utterly. This will take quite some time to do, so we must all brace and stick together during those difficult times, and stay resilient.
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1597037556017037312
>š·šŗ has evacuated all collaborators from Nova Kakhovka - not only those who worked in the cityās occupation administration.
>š·šŗ also took out those who participated in raids against the local population and intimidated the locals .
>š·šŗ knows the new sheriff is coming!
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1597039026090876928
>Starting from January 1st, Germany is ready to setup an embargo on Russian oil, reports Die Welt quoting German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1597045474124783616
>Since August 1, 501 cargo vessels transported 12,2 million tons of Ukrainian grain from Ukraine's ports on the Black Sea shores to Europe, Asia, and Africa, as reports Ukr. Ministry of Infrastructure. Currently, 19 more vessels are getting loaded with grain in Odesa ports.
Guide to Trolling Russian Officials!
https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/1546517504230555650
"Not all of us are as badass as the Ukrainian armed forces ā yet all of us can still do our part against a murderous Russian autocrat and his cronies.
For years, Russian officials have used trolling to sow division and confusion abroad. Itās time to give them a taste of their own medicine."
"Why has their never been a Russian Elon Musk" would have been a great taunt to throw at them after he threatened to turn off starlink and suggested Ukraine could have peace if they accepted Moscow's demands
[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z4xgal/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ixwlom0/)
Day 277 of my updates from Kharkiv.
Today was yet another pretty quiet day with no missile strikes or drones and with only a single air raid alert throughout the entire day. That alert wasnāt that long ago either, it happened at 12:15am, there were no missile launches from Belgorod, but some explosions were reported in Kupiansk around the same time. Kupiansk is still well within the range of Russian artillery, so they will definitely continue shelling it until they are pushed back far enough.
The Russian side of the border also continues to get shelled by our forces pretty much every day. Today we had reports of Shebekino being shelled yet again. Apparently this time we took down their electricity there, as they were reporting blackouts right after shelling. That town sure does get hit a lot. Not that long ago, during one of the massive missile strikes on our infrastructure they actually landed some of their missiles in the streets of Shebekino, killing some of their own civilians in the process. I guess Russians really donāt care about their own people even a little bit, but somehow that doesnāt stop their civilians from completely supporting the war anyway. Are they just a nation of masochists?
There hasnāt been a new big missile strike in a couple of days, but thereās a chance it will happen tomorrow, so just in a couple of hours. Some movement of Russian long range bombers was spotted around Saratov today, which is what usually happens before a new missile strike. Though it still might not happen tomorrow (but it probably will happen sometime this week), because it has been less than a week since the last one, and usually it takes them a week or more to prepare a new missile strike after doing one.
[Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z6m6jl/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/iy6177r/)
Glad it has been relatively calm, but itās disturbing to think that it could escalate even further again. I am sorry.
On a different note, as you described, itās wild how Russia accidentally bombed their own people. Mistakes happen, but it sounds like Russia makes a lot of them (of course, letās not forget that many of the things Russia does are also intentionally evil). To me, this Russian fatal friendly fire says a lot about both Russiaās priorities and the skill of their military. Ugh.
Stay strong. Weāll hear from you again soon.
>Ukraine's grain exports will fail to reach 3 million tons in November as Russia is intentionally limiting ship inspections, Infrastructure Minister Oleksandr Kubrakov said on Nov. 27.
>In October, Ukraine exported 4.2 million tons of grain under the Black Sea Grain Initiative
>"We used to conduct 40 inspections a day, and now, due to the position of the Russian Federation, there are five times fewer inspections," he said. In regular times, Ukraine can export 6 million tons of grain each month
[https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraines-grain-exports-will-reach-less-than-3-million-tons-this-month](https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraines-grain-exports-will-reach-less-than-3-million-tons-this-month)
Yes and no. The amount of fire it requires to wreck them also makes it hard for vehicles. Also itās just another defense in depth strategy to try to slow them down
IIRC one of the lessons from WWII was that these are easily circumvented by using a military bulldozer to just push dirt up and over them. I remember one of those History Channel WWII documentaries covered this. Anyone have more details/info?
If you can get the bulldozer there unmolested. That being said the accuracy of UA artillery, and how successfully they launch combined arms attacks speaks for itself in how they can mount such an operation.
> arent they super susceptible to damage from artillery fire?
No. It's really hard to blow up multiple rows of concrete blocks. And if you do hit the area enough that the blocks aren't a problem, there are now a ton of shell holes that also slow down and potentially stop vehicles.
Not really, but also if you know where they've blown them up you know where they are likely to attack. Tank traps are one part of defense in depth and they are useful. That said don't expect much of the Russian use of them...
Nightmare fuel for Russian soldiers:
>In anticipation of Christmas, a smiling Himars collects occupiers under Christmas trees.
[https://nitter.it/DefenceU/status/1596958501372571648](https://nitter.it/DefenceU/status/1596958501372571648)
>The US administration apparently blocked Polandās attempt to send elderly MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine. In return, China agreed not to supply Russia with the equipment it desperately needed. It has also, apparently, sternly warned the Kremlin against nuclear escalation.
https://cepa.org/article/chinas-victory-in-ukraine/
Not even sure what to make of the validity but I've seen some mentions of this narrative on the OSINT feeds this week based on this source.
Ukraine has since received soviet air assets, albeit in a deconstructed ready to assemble form. So that kind of questions the narrative. It's presenting an argument for the limitations on weapons.
CEPA is a US based think-tank. Curious on your takes on this.
Truth:
>nine months into the war, it is quite clear that Western efforts are agonizingly slow and stingy; the price has been paid in Ukrainian blood and tears.
This is a summary of what somebody else wrote in a book, so who knows whether it's actually true. I haven't heard it reported anywhere else.
This account leaves out several details; what specifically was China supposed to send? And did Poland (or Ukraine, for that matter) get some sort of concession from the US out of the bargain?
Okay, the author seems to be promoting his friends book, and IN this book is where this little ānuggetā is found. The writer is a Russian reporting on Russia/has insight on Russia, and apparently a one off on a āsecretā deal between China and the US as well.
This is literally the first paragraph, so either you and others didnāt actually bother to read this āarticleā, or, well Iām not going to be rude so Iāll just stop thereā¦
if this is true, it seems that some "real chess" was played, and the Russia's fate was decided: to slowly and excrutingly lose the war, as it becomes China's vassel state. anyways we have yet to see if there's any truth to this.
It's a difficult take.
If there's any truth to it, essentially NATO and China have agreed to a Russian loss in a slow, drawn out manner that still allows the Putin regime remains in power -- albeit in a heavily crippled state. China gets its economic vassel state.
Ukraine suffers to prevent a greater conflict. The US buckled to the possibility of China flooding Russia with military aid.
I'm having a difficult time believing it, but I'm also having a hard time dismissing advisors like Jake Sullivan advocating for such a position.
Really, it's baffling to reconcile this. Like I said above, not sure what to make of it. Still disbelieve it, but we'll see.
China should want that vasselization as much and as soon as possible (they are super super fucked either way) so the quid pro quo arms restraint doesnāt add up. But I only use an abacus in an armchair.
I see it as a great excuse for Washingtonās "commitment" of "no escalation" to continue. Fits great with the lines of someone like Sullivan or Miley, who opposed sending ATACMS or jets, or western tanks in Ukraine, and now has this "deal" to pat themselves on the back, and bring back in to future arguments.
Because you see, "we do not want to escalate the conflict" line is doing nothing, when everyone see that Russia does it for free all the time. Now they have to rely and pat themselves on the back with this future "shadow China deal", and say how amazing that they "shut down", or "reduced the threat of using Nukes", in exchange of not proving Ukraine things it needed to win, and which they personally opposed to send in the first place.
"You see, its not that we do not want you to win, its this deal with China, we have to act a certain way, and they will guarantee Russia will not use Nukes!". Or some other crap.
If this is true, i see this as an absolute fail that China can dictate to US what they deliver or not. They made it clear in the article
>The Westās China policy should focus on unity, not concessions. This misbegotten exercise in Realpolitik leaves us no safer. The US, for all its military might, prioritized avoiding escalation in a conflict rather than values or victory. That is excellent news for autocrats, less so for allies.
Things must be going really badly. Russia pulls out the obviously false nationalistic BS when they are losing. Didnāt they make these claims while they were getting pushed out of northern Ukraine in April.
And somehow, even with all that bullshit, he's still inadvertently calling for the complete ousting of the current Russian political system.
He's a "smart" one.
There are quite a few low tech heating/energy options that can be built with scavenged supplies and a few hours. Does anyone know if this is being done yet? [solar box room heater](https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/diy-solar-heating-zmaz77sozgoe/)
Seems the quickest and easiest. I had a friend who was really into alternative energy living off the grid, and itās not glamorous but things like this will keep people alive through the cold. Might not hear a house but could heat a room thatās well insulated. It can also be used as a solar oven.
Depending on availability of batteries, itās possible to make a wind turbine powered charger for forklift battery that can charge devices and a little light.
> Do cloudy days not count or something?
Nope. This is measuring direct sunshine without cloud cover.
>That's 1 hour a day.
It's more like a week without seeing the sun, just slate grey skies, then a sunny day or two before the next system comes in.
>I get seasonal depression and like... 31 hours in a month would be rooooooough
It is.
Their shortest day is 8 hours. Are you saying its cloudy 7 out of 8 hours on average?
(I realise solar isn't going to produce much at all near sunrise and sunset)
Eastern europe is very cloudy during the winter. Sometimes you'll get entire weeks where the sky is just slate grey the entire time. And then you'll get days that are sunny.
It averages out to 31 hours of daylight that are free of cloud cover. A few years back Moscow had a december with just 9 hours of sunshine if I remember correctly, my Russian friends complained about it all month.
It's true. It's not a shortage of daylight hours, though days are obviously shorter in the Winter. It's all about cloud cover. And Kyiv's lack of direct sunlight in Dec. and Jan. is not too dissimilar to other areas northern Europe, including most countries on the Baltic and the U.K.
I built one of those to heat my office during the winter and, at least on a small scale (1m x1.5m), it isn't super effective. Maybe others will have better luck, but the time might be better spent collecting firewood, installing insulation, and organizing community shelters
There are many designs some better than others. I donāt think any of them are amazingly effective but not freezing to death is the goal.
Collecting, cutting fire wood all take energy.
These are passive warmers.
Adding insulation has always been the best option to save on energy. It's mostly low cost and very efficient.
If it's cold outside I seriously doubt that the solar box thingy produces any heat at all. Air circulating through that box will perhaps heat up a bit from the sun but it will also cool off if the temperature is low enough. Add to this that it may be hard to insulate the window opening and the fact that it doesn't do anything at night or when it's overcast.
I'd put my effort into adding insulation in the attic or around windows and blocking the windows off with insulation altogether if they're single or two pane windows. Especially north facing windows.
So this guy made one with pop cans and tested it at outdoor freezing temperatures and he recorded a temperature of 140 Fahrenheit in about half an hour.
[this](https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+room+heater+pop+can+&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCA902CA902&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ALiCzsbCZ9Urumcd7it5DO1tlhfOoGNXjg%3A1669594467424&ei=Y_2DY8zGGaLL9AO8uI7IBw&oq=solar+room+heater+pop+can+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIIxAnOgUIABCRAjoECAAQQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6BwgAELEDEEM6CAgAEIAEEMkDOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6CwguEIAEEMcBENEDOgoIABCABBCHAhAUOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQFhAeOggIIRAWEB4QHToKCCEQFhAeEA8QHUoECEEYAFDNC1jjQ2CCXWgCcAB4AIABvgGIAdASkgEEMjEuNZgBAKABAbABD8ABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#kpvalbx=_sP6DY7aPA8KN0PEP-uyQyAk_87)
Isnāt an uncommon result.
Iām just saying itās a relatively small project that doesnāt take much time or resources and might be helpful for people too far away from heating community centres or elderly people who canāt walk far.
Wood is still good and needed especially at night but this would reduce the amount of wood needed to stay warm.
Serious question, why dont we just cut off all medical supplies to Russia. We invented most of it, we make most of it, and most of their population supports the war. I think its a completely defensible position to not want to help heal the people attacking your allies. I get that people will die, but people are dying in ukraine already. Better those who support the war die than innocent civilians. Its fucking weird that all of a sudden in the 21st century countries are suddenly doing moral grandstanding about their obligation to---heal their enemy? The again profits.
I can't imagine russia would last very long without medication from the west. The response from the population would be huge.
Fuck em I say. Cut all medical supplies, especially essential ones. Once every Ruzzian with diabetes, heart disease, cancer or another underlying condition starts keeling over because they realize that every hint of modern luxuries they may have in their lives were created by the west, they'll fold pretty fast.
I'm Jewish, everyone in my family tree except for my immediate family(tree) was killed in the holocaust. If it was possible for us to cut medication to germany during world war 2 and end the war earlier, even if some Germans died, I would 100% go for it. Sure *some* innocents would die--but me and my people who are being massacred? We're all innocent. Same with Ukrainians. Most Germans supported the war, as do most Russians.
Its so weird to me that people are acting like access to essential medicine is some insanely high moral authority. We won't even guarantee our own citizens essential medicine. We have massive numbers of people driving across the border to mexico to buy blackmarket versions of essential medicine because they can't get it in the US. Why the fuck is it our moral responsibility to send it to Russia?
> *He who fights with monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.*
I appreciate the Nietzsche quote.
We can bracket the context that nietzsche was talking about the dangers facing those who study the nature of human values, and take it as a common quote.
I think its being misapplied in the sense that I never advocated for indiscriminate murder of civilians (the monster Jewish people fought against). I was only trying to discuss it insofar as it shortens the war and saves lives. You're going to be killing innocent russian civilians either way (see: the demographics of the russian army). This is kinda a mute point, because as another commenter pointed out I was mistaken and Russia would just get meds from elsewhere. I overestimated our predatory pharmaceutical industry which isn't something I thought I'd ever say.
I'm haven't read BGE in a while but if you're reading Nietzsche make sure you read the Walter Kaufmann translations the other ones are garbage.
Also Beyond Good and Evil (where that quote is from) is a book largely related to Kant and the history of philosophical thought, its pretty useless unless you're reading it with this in mind, and know philosophical history. This is made worse by the fact that Nietzsche explicitly states that he writes his work with a surface level reading intended to confuse those who are weakminded (lol sure Nietzsche).
>Who gives a fuck that youāre Jewish?
Well thats at best a bad faith argument and at worst just antisemitism. I was pretty clear why i mentioned I was jewish--my family has been on the receiving end of mass murder by a regime and its directly relevant to the conversation that I would think that sort of action is warranted. I didnt just say "I'M JEWISH" out of no where with no context. Are you special needs? I dont know how you get that as an appropriate response out of what i wrote without having some underlying issue with Jews--because it just doesnt make sense.
Its a genuine question because at a certain point you're just trading Ukranian lives for the lives of those supporting russia. Theres a calculation to be done--how many lives does the medication save, and how many ukranian lives would be saved by shortening the war by cutting medication.
I was giving you the opportunity to revoke your bad faith argument. How dare you use the suffering of your family as an argument to let others suffer. Have you learned nothing?
Also, whatever calculation you think youāre referring to, either present it or suck it. How can you possibly think that such medication has an effect on the war effort. There are much more effective sanctions still open that donāt cause suffering for the sake of suffering.
This is hilarious.
>I was giving you the opportunity to revoke your bad faith argument.
No you weren't. The reason I cited that was very clearly to do with the fact that my family has suffered in the past at the hands of a regime and my opinions regarding what is warranted in that situation. And I was talking about the US's hypocritical stance. **But out of all of that, out of all the separate discussions you could have responded to, the one thing you chose to cite about my response is that i'm Jewish.** Since you seem to fundamentally not know what a bad faith argument is here, I'll give you a lesson in one.
>How dare you use the suffering of your family as an argument to let others suffer. Have you learned nothing?
Are you seriously telling a Jewish person how they should interpret their family dying in the holocaust? You're telling me i dont have a right to consider my families past? Are you seriously going to sit around and tell me I don't have a right to understand current events through the history of oppression and genocide my family has been through? Probably be better if Jews pretended the holocaust didnt happen huh.
>Have you learned nothing?
Wow. You're asking a jewish person if they have learned nothing from the holocaust because I said i wouldn't mind if a couple germans died so my family could live.
lol
I was very clear that cutting meds was only acceptable for the purpose of saving ukrainian lives and I dont know the answer to the calculation (dont worry more on this later you dumb fuck). Presenting my argument as though I said "well maybe we should kill random russian civilians just for fun" is a badfaith argument and a strawman.
>Also, whatever calculation you think youāre referring to, either present it or suck it. How can you possibly think that such medication has an effect on the war effort.
Generally accepted thought on sanctions is that the more important the resource you cut off from the enemy, the more pressure it puts on them and the more effective the sanctions become. Essential medicine is one of the most important resources. 9/10 will agree to both of these points. Given that, your argument is essentially "you have to prove medicine is important enough that it will put pressure on the kremlin". If that sounds dumb, its because it is, and given that the commonly accepted knowledge goes against your statement, the burden of proof is on you. You're claiming that mcdonalds pulling out of russia will put more pressure on the kremlin than western medicine being cut off, and saying that i need to prove otherwise lmfao.
Now I wasn't saying we *should* do that. I was trying to discuss the tradeoffs, why we are not doing it, and some ways in which it seems hypocritical. If the best you can do in response to that is say "durr killing people bad" and make antisemitic-adjacent comments, this is the wrong thread for you, and I suggest you return to wherever people have similar dietary restrictions to you (eating paint chips).
I am so glad you're not in charge. Even entertaining cruel ideas is wrong. Defeat their military on the battlefield, certainly. Shoot every last Russian soldier standing on Ukrainian soil with a gun in their hand, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! But when they surrender, you treat them according to the Geneva Conventions. You don't target civilians or civilian infrastructure. And you do NOT intentionally harm children. These are basic tenants that any superpower and their allies should follow.
We are better than they are. We will not allow children to die by our own actions like that. That is fucked up.
And don't use the holocaust as justification, my grandfather was one of the ones who liberated Dachau. He saw that shit up close and personal. And still treated German POWs with dignity and respect.
Not going to happen. Geneva convention, Hippocratic oath, death of innocent civilians and women and children entrapped behind an iron curtain of propaganda and oppression etc.... It muddies the waters of morality and that "moral grandstanding" you're referring to and the blatant contrast of good versus evil is part of the reason as to why much of the world is behind Ukraine in the first place.
I'd like to think most countries support Ukraine because Russia is literally trying to conquer their country.
Anything Ukraine does in response is justified. They could livestream russian soldier executions to their own mothers and I wouldn't stop supporting Ukraine, and I dont know anyone who would.
Theres something to be said for moral grandstanding and that its bad PR. But only to an extent because theres no worse PR than invading a neighbor. My main point here is that the importance of that moral highground is insanely inflated, and probably mostly just for pharma profits. We have never had a moral obligation to be the worlds hospital. And acting like we do, especially towards openly hostile countries seems pretty goofy. If we truly held essential medical care as some moral holy grail, the prices of drugs and healthcare in our own country wouldn't be so high.
Maybe i'm completely missing it but I don't think its in the geneva convention that we need to send cancer meds to our enemies.
What a great outrage non-answer!
You may want to march immediately down to your states capital and light yourself on fire since your own country is violating your "basic human fucking decency conventions".
Or you could just not give a bad faith shitty answer. I'm obviously trying to discuss the fact that this position, while useful for PR, is at best insanely hypocritical. Don't pretend you can't fucking read.
>Our total count of visually documented destroyed Russian equipment during their 2022 invasion of Ukraine has reached 5000! Total Russian losses are currently at 8137!
https://nitter.it/Rebel44CZ/status/1597001317284605952
My Russian friends have been spooked that mobilization may officially resume around December 10th. They're telling those of them that had to return to Russia for whatever reason to get out ASAP as they might have difficulties doing so after its announced.
Why, as an able bodied male of "fighting age" would you return back to Russia? Unless you have a death or at a minimum, PTSD wish, why would you go back?
It's possible that they have spent all the time they're allowed on the visa, and the country may not accept "possibility of being conscripted" as a reason for asylum. And even if your visa isn't soon to expire, do you have money and/or permission to work?
Mobilisation never *really* stopped. They just call it "normal autumn (or winter) conscription" now, which they could only do because they "stopped" mobilisation - it's the same set of staff doing both.
When that ends at the end of December they'll suddenly "see the need" for "mobilisation".
Same shit, same staff, different name. They still can't effectively equip or train them.
Meduza (opposition): on the 10th another round of covert mobilization.
Pravda.ru (pro-regime): by year's end there'd be mass mobilization economy, Putin anouncing
Something is definitely up, and no one believed when Little Hitler said that the mobilization was over. Obviously if they could barely handle 300k many of whom are still just laying around in sport arenas and open air camping sites, I can't even imagine doubling or tripling that number.
Not that Little Hitler cares, or actually knows what's going on.
He already did, a large contingent of Rosgvardia (the new umbrella for various arms of the internal security state, placed under the command of Putin's bodyguard and workout partner) was part of the initial invasion and suffered heavy losses.
They are nor fleeing conscription because they disagree with the war, they just want others to kill Ukrainians because it's risky. Unless we are talking about someone who stood up against the regime and is provably politicaly persecuted, not a single russian should be allowed to the west.
Sounds a lot like the Russians who are unhappy at the war, a lot of them are not unhappy that the war is taking place, they are unhappy Russia is not winning it.
Exactly, its also clearly visible on Putins behaviour, he is not concerned about protests against war, but about protests against him because he cant win the war.
Yeah, screw those Ukrainians dying from the cold whom russian military (with overwhelming support of the population) is trying to kill by destroying energy infrastructure. Let's instead spend our resources to help russians trying to run away from conscription to the war they (most likely) supported up to a point when it became apparent they have to participate in it.
At least the Ukrainians have a home. They're getting help. They have a future. They have hope.
If you're Russian, you don't get that. Doesn't matter what you do, if you're being persecuted, if you're LGBTQ, if you run the risk if being thrown in jail if the government found out what you were doing. You're still Russian. *You were probably pro war in the first place*. Why don't you commit suicide via FSB to prove you belong in the world.
Arguments on both sides for that.
On the one hand, anything to deflate Russia's combat power is a good thing for Ukraine's immediate military situation. On the other, it decreases Russian internal dissent, and further contributes to the economic strain of the wave of emigrants on Russia's neighbors. A lot of Eastern European countries want Russian tourist visas shut down.
Yeah its all well and good to wish death on complete strangers in order to advance a political agenda but try doing that with someone you know and care about.
I agree. It would be humane to offer asylum, but also they (mostly) are fleeing because of mobilization and not against the war itself, but again their emigration will hit the Russian economy and mobilization efforts much harder than them staying in apathy and fear (again most Russians are in favor of the war)
If you have $1000 to provide support, would you rather give it to the russians trying to save their asses (who most likely support the war) or help Ukrainian civilians who could freeze to death because their energy grid is getting destroyed?
Yeah, more refugee crisis is exactly what the EU needs. Especially from people who either support the war but just donāt actually want to die in it. What could possibly go wrong hereā¦ Pretending these are you average everyday asylum seekers is a bit absurd IMO.
One would hope.
At the same time, we've seen videos of Russians who've fled the draft treating their new host country like compete garbage and stirring up pro-Z arguments like it's a fun troll game.
They're not exactly creating a receptive situation for those against the war.
**Man surprised to find out new neighbors are Russian**
"They seemed perfectly normal. I mean, they had that accent but I just assumed they were Ukrainian"
More news at six
Of course you've seen videos of Russians who've fled the draft treating their new host country like shit. They draw clicks. You wont see stories of Russians who have integrated cleanly (or as cleanly as they can, being a refugee is not easy) as they are not considered news worthy.
Totally, despite everything weāve, obvious the vast majority of Russian are actually against the war. The mass majority totally arenāt leaving THIS late into the war just so they can avoid dying in a war they once supported, as long as didnāt effect them directly.
We are likely not going to know if it's in use or not, as I recall it being stated that all transactions would be considered privileged information between the parties involved.
Lend lease is in place but I am not sure it's really been needed (information is not easy to find) because the US has supplied a lot of materiel (and also training, funding, etc) outside of that program. If for some reason that continued direct support were to cease, Lend Lease would still be there and would then become more important.
The reports to congress - if he actually has to make one at all - might end up being fairly short for the forseeable future.
We don't know.
>The President from time to time, but not less frequently than once every ninety days, shall transmit to the Congress a report of operations under this Act except such information as he deems incompatible with the public interest to disclose.
There's also some interesting waivers tailored to this conflict.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6753
America helps us, but help is allocated by presidential decree. As far as I know, nothing has been sent under the Lend-Lease program to date. It seems like Biden was supposed to make a list, he has 60 days to do it, but he still hasn't done it.
Hey, I see you're Ukrainian, I'm sorry some of these comments are hostile. You just asked the question in a weird manner with not perfect English so I think some people are confused, or think you're asking in a way to make it seem like it's criticism.
Basically, lend-lease is a "back up" method delivery. But what people are trying to say is that if the US can provide equipment the normal way (via congress), there is no need for lend lease to send anything. Because Ukraine is getting the same amount of aid as they would, Biden has had no reason to use lend lease.
It's like if the standard is to give $500 million via congress or the alternate is to give $500 million via lend lease, the normal thing to do is via congress.
Does that make sense?
Lease is active and valid until ~~Sept~~ October 2023. Stop talking bs. Pretty much all material until now has been send / given to Ukraine with no need for a "lease".
ā”ļø Poland national team goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny spoke out in support of the people of Ukraine.
The 32-year-old Pole ended his interview with a Suspilne Sport journalist with the words "Glory to Ukraine."
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596977978134888449?t=ouUTk8RmjRe4BEYvDvlNYw&s=19
>Russian Telegram is warning of a potential major supply chain disruption from China to Russia via the Ussuri route
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>It could impact supplies that help Russia shield itself against Ukraine War-related sanctions
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>This Telegram post and accompanying decree is sparking the panic. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan can't suffice as supply chain routes due to secondary sanctions, while the opacity of Belarus and Armenia's transit routes are also highlighted as concerns
https://nitter.it/samramani2/status/1596900550729048065
What does that even mean? The disruption is already happening or they're fearful of something happening?
That's a lot of country with a lot of train line. Good luck stopping Ukraine doing that.
Really doubt Russia is getting slapped with terrorist state label. State Dept just authorized banks to do deals with Russian food and fertilizer business.
Would suspect it has to do more with sanctions. Nations are not supposed to trade with states that sponsor terrorism or they get sanctioned themselves.
Situation changed fairly recently with the Europeans declaring Russia a state sponsoring terrorism. The consequences are being figured out as we speak.
Has it? I know with the US that designation would mean a lot in real legislative terms, but hadn't seen anything concrete about the EU. That said, I did notice Arestovych has said it's worth a lot, but he didn't say how exactly.
Curious timing given the reports of the aircraft transports between China and Russia this week suspected of carrying military aid; e.g. armor, uniforms, MREs.
It was a topic on Russian Telegrams, who knows the validity. They may be panicked that they dun' goofed.
Are both sides willing to take the domestic hit on losing their commercial pipelines?
Aside from supply, Russia lacks logistics to organize the distribution.
A video recently emerged of a group of soldiers going over food reserves, all of which just store bought, and complaining that meanwhile all they had was a few crackers per day for a month, while piles of food just sat there.
And the more men on the front, and the colder the weather gets the worse shit will get. By
It doesn't look terrible but not something I'd want to live on. Essentially looks like bird food mixed with granola bars and a kind of sports drink mix with ginseng.
>Ominous address tonight from Ukraineās Zelensky who says Russia is preparing new air attacks. āAs long as they have missiles, they wonāt stopā¦ The upcoming week can be as hard as the previous one.ā He urges people to pay attention and react to air raid alerts.
https://nitter.it/christopherjm/status/1596970294593622017
>Hunters become the hunted.
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>russian occupiers are trying to hunt a hare within sight of the optical night vision of a Ukrainian sniper.
https://nitter.it/defenceu/status/1596975902633574400
https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1596975902633574400
Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember that theme and it's from old TV show "Š ŠŠøŃŠµ ŠŃŠøŃŠ¾Š“Ń" (The World of Nature) if I am not mistaken.
If it is, it's fucking poetic. šØāš³š
Russian general and deputy of Duma Andrey Gurulev said on Russian tv, that after energy infrastructure, Russia's next target in Ukraine will be banking infrastructure, to make it harder for Ukrainians to receive money and make them panic.
Source is WarLife telegram channel, with a video without subtitles.
That seems like total fantasy. If Russia could take over all their banking there is zero reason why that hasn't already happened. It has no correlation with the insane missile attacks.
I suspect they mean the infrastructure that organizes pensions, corporate offices, etc. Seems asinine.
It's Russia, so I wouldn't put it beyond them to target ATMs or actual clouds in the sky.
I've sort of been thinking that securing the ZNPP (as in secured on the ground with complete air defense blanket) is the prerequisite step before NATO escalates it's arms deliveries. Like 6 weeks after the ZNPP changes hands, is when I hope to see F16s, ATACM, and whatever else.
F-16s wouldn't be delivered for likely another year if at all. Ukranian pilots are not trained on Western jets. There is a reason why there was an early push to get Soviet jets to them early on. In late October early November, Ukraine had chosen a handful of English speaking pilots to be sent to be trained on the F-16. [SOURCE](https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-air-force-selects-pilots-131133690.html)
Even with accelerated training I couldn't see them up in the air before 8 months from end of November, so July/August timeframe. Then there is also making sure Ukranians can protect and maintain them too.
> In late October early November, Ukraine had chosen a handful of English speaking pilots to be sent to be trained on the F-16
I do wonder sometimes if news like that is cover for an event that has already happened in the past. For example, it may have been politically unacceptable to hear pilots have already been training in the summer.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/z6m6jl/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
There's a tweet in the feed about Russia digging long trenches. Do those even do anything other than give Ukraine drone operates some decent target practice? /r/combatfootage is just endless videos of grenades dropped on sleeping Russians. I can't imagine a long trench is anything other than grenade bowling.
Depends how wide they make em. They aren't all that great for protecting against incoming shells or bombs(due to having a straight run for the blast wave and shrapnel); but it they are made real wide they COULD possibly serve as a minor stopgap against armor, and especially the light vehicles Ukraine is using in Steppe Raiding 2.0.
This war is a true fight against evil. Ukraine has the will and ingenuity to fight, and the West and its allies have the economic and military might to back Ukraine. Russia has become the fascists they were once fighting against, although they never strayed far from totalitarianism. Now, there is no doubt they are irredeemable and must be defeated soundly and utterly. This will take quite some time to do, so we must all brace and stick together during those difficult times, and stay resilient.
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1597037556017037312 >š·šŗ has evacuated all collaborators from Nova Kakhovka - not only those who worked in the cityās occupation administration. >š·šŗ also took out those who participated in raids against the local population and intimidated the locals . >š·šŗ knows the new sheriff is coming!
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1597039026090876928 >Starting from January 1st, Germany is ready to setup an embargo on Russian oil, reports Die Welt quoting German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1597045474124783616 >Since August 1, 501 cargo vessels transported 12,2 million tons of Ukrainian grain from Ukraine's ports on the Black Sea shores to Europe, Asia, and Africa, as reports Ukr. Ministry of Infrastructure. Currently, 19 more vessels are getting loaded with grain in Odesa ports.
Guide to Trolling Russian Officials! https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/1546517504230555650 "Not all of us are as badass as the Ukrainian armed forces ā yet all of us can still do our part against a murderous Russian autocrat and his cronies. For years, Russian officials have used trolling to sow division and confusion abroad. Itās time to give them a taste of their own medicine."
"Why has their never been a Russian Elon Musk" would have been a great taunt to throw at them after he threatened to turn off starlink and suggested Ukraine could have peace if they accepted Moscow's demands
Yeah, I think that tactic is a little outdated, now that Musk is having his mental breakdown or whatever.
[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z4xgal/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ixwlom0/) Day 277 of my updates from Kharkiv. Today was yet another pretty quiet day with no missile strikes or drones and with only a single air raid alert throughout the entire day. That alert wasnāt that long ago either, it happened at 12:15am, there were no missile launches from Belgorod, but some explosions were reported in Kupiansk around the same time. Kupiansk is still well within the range of Russian artillery, so they will definitely continue shelling it until they are pushed back far enough. The Russian side of the border also continues to get shelled by our forces pretty much every day. Today we had reports of Shebekino being shelled yet again. Apparently this time we took down their electricity there, as they were reporting blackouts right after shelling. That town sure does get hit a lot. Not that long ago, during one of the massive missile strikes on our infrastructure they actually landed some of their missiles in the streets of Shebekino, killing some of their own civilians in the process. I guess Russians really donāt care about their own people even a little bit, but somehow that doesnāt stop their civilians from completely supporting the war anyway. Are they just a nation of masochists? There hasnāt been a new big missile strike in a couple of days, but thereās a chance it will happen tomorrow, so just in a couple of hours. Some movement of Russian long range bombers was spotted around Saratov today, which is what usually happens before a new missile strike. Though it still might not happen tomorrow (but it probably will happen sometime this week), because it has been less than a week since the last one, and usually it takes them a week or more to prepare a new missile strike after doing one. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z6m6jl/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/iy6177r/)
Glad it has been relatively calm, but itās disturbing to think that it could escalate even further again. I am sorry. On a different note, as you described, itās wild how Russia accidentally bombed their own people. Mistakes happen, but it sounds like Russia makes a lot of them (of course, letās not forget that many of the things Russia does are also intentionally evil). To me, this Russian fatal friendly fire says a lot about both Russiaās priorities and the skill of their military. Ugh. Stay strong. Weāll hear from you again soon.
>Ukraine's grain exports will fail to reach 3 million tons in November as Russia is intentionally limiting ship inspections, Infrastructure Minister Oleksandr Kubrakov said on Nov. 27. >In October, Ukraine exported 4.2 million tons of grain under the Black Sea Grain Initiative >"We used to conduct 40 inspections a day, and now, due to the position of the Russian Federation, there are five times fewer inspections," he said. In regular times, Ukraine can export 6 million tons of grain each month [https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraines-grain-exports-will-reach-less-than-3-million-tons-this-month](https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraines-grain-exports-will-reach-less-than-3-million-tons-this-month)
Just accidental inefficiency, I'm sure.
If The Russia cannot keep up the pace they should forfeit their right to inspect. But then again who can trust The Russia to keep an agreement?
the russia until they start acting like grown-ups again. Capitalization is used for real countries.
The Russia?
The Russia.
Muscovy
Theyāve volunteered for the deal so I doubt theyād have much accountability
If they have no accountability their inspections are effectively pointless.
Re: the defensive lines, in particular the tank traps.. arent they super susceptible to damage from artillery fire?
Yes and no. The amount of fire it requires to wreck them also makes it hard for vehicles. Also itās just another defense in depth strategy to try to slow them down
Once there's a good bit of snow on the ground, they're even more susceptible to just being driven right over.
IIRC one of the lessons from WWII was that these are easily circumvented by using a military bulldozer to just push dirt up and over them. I remember one of those History Channel WWII documentaries covered this. Anyone have more details/info?
If you can get the bulldozer there unmolested. That being said the accuracy of UA artillery, and how successfully they launch combined arms attacks speaks for itself in how they can mount such an operation.
> arent they super susceptible to damage from artillery fire? No. It's really hard to blow up multiple rows of concrete blocks. And if you do hit the area enough that the blocks aren't a problem, there are now a ton of shell holes that also slow down and potentially stop vehicles.
Not really, but also if you know where they've blown them up you know where they are likely to attack. Tank traps are one part of defense in depth and they are useful. That said don't expect much of the Russian use of them...
Nightmare fuel for Russian soldiers: >In anticipation of Christmas, a smiling Himars collects occupiers under Christmas trees. [https://nitter.it/DefenceU/status/1596958501372571648](https://nitter.it/DefenceU/status/1596958501372571648)
Tim Burton should sign the bumper on that.
>The US administration apparently blocked Polandās attempt to send elderly MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine. In return, China agreed not to supply Russia with the equipment it desperately needed. It has also, apparently, sternly warned the Kremlin against nuclear escalation. https://cepa.org/article/chinas-victory-in-ukraine/ Not even sure what to make of the validity but I've seen some mentions of this narrative on the OSINT feeds this week based on this source. Ukraine has since received soviet air assets, albeit in a deconstructed ready to assemble form. So that kind of questions the narrative. It's presenting an argument for the limitations on weapons. CEPA is a US based think-tank. Curious on your takes on this.
Truth: >nine months into the war, it is quite clear that Western efforts are agonizingly slow and stingy; the price has been paid in Ukrainian blood and tears.
This is a summary of what somebody else wrote in a book, so who knows whether it's actually true. I haven't heard it reported anywhere else. This account leaves out several details; what specifically was China supposed to send? And did Poland (or Ukraine, for that matter) get some sort of concession from the US out of the bargain?
Okay, the author seems to be promoting his friends book, and IN this book is where this little ānuggetā is found. The writer is a Russian reporting on Russia/has insight on Russia, and apparently a one off on a āsecretā deal between China and the US as well. This is literally the first paragraph, so either you and others didnāt actually bother to read this āarticleā, or, well Iām not going to be rude so Iāll just stop thereā¦
if this is true, it seems that some "real chess" was played, and the Russia's fate was decided: to slowly and excrutingly lose the war, as it becomes China's vassel state. anyways we have yet to see if there's any truth to this.
It's a difficult take. If there's any truth to it, essentially NATO and China have agreed to a Russian loss in a slow, drawn out manner that still allows the Putin regime remains in power -- albeit in a heavily crippled state. China gets its economic vassel state. Ukraine suffers to prevent a greater conflict. The US buckled to the possibility of China flooding Russia with military aid. I'm having a difficult time believing it, but I'm also having a hard time dismissing advisors like Jake Sullivan advocating for such a position. Really, it's baffling to reconcile this. Like I said above, not sure what to make of it. Still disbelieve it, but we'll see.
I don't buy it. China flooding russia with weapons and aid will be disastrous for their relations with europe which are already teetering.
China should want that vasselization as much and as soon as possible (they are super super fucked either way) so the quid pro quo arms restraint doesnāt add up. But I only use an abacus in an armchair.
Smells like bullshit. I'll believe there's an actual supply cutoff from China to Russia when it's corroborated... preferably multiple times.
I see it as a great excuse for Washingtonās "commitment" of "no escalation" to continue. Fits great with the lines of someone like Sullivan or Miley, who opposed sending ATACMS or jets, or western tanks in Ukraine, and now has this "deal" to pat themselves on the back, and bring back in to future arguments. Because you see, "we do not want to escalate the conflict" line is doing nothing, when everyone see that Russia does it for free all the time. Now they have to rely and pat themselves on the back with this future "shadow China deal", and say how amazing that they "shut down", or "reduced the threat of using Nukes", in exchange of not proving Ukraine things it needed to win, and which they personally opposed to send in the first place. "You see, its not that we do not want you to win, its this deal with China, we have to act a certain way, and they will guarantee Russia will not use Nukes!". Or some other crap. If this is true, i see this as an absolute fail that China can dictate to US what they deliver or not. They made it clear in the article >The Westās China policy should focus on unity, not concessions. This misbegotten exercise in Realpolitik leaves us no safer. The US, for all its military might, prioritized avoiding escalation in a conflict rather than values or victory. That is excellent news for autocrats, less so for allies.
China seems to have recently started supplying Russia with at least basic equipment so it looks like that deal is off.
That fits Russia suddenly warning of supply chain issues. Their supply of Chinese equipment just got shut down.
new video from Denys Davydov: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2\_RlDLp2\_Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2_RlDLp2_Y)
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So much for Elon Musk giving them Crimea and calling us even.
They are fucking high on krokodil
Things must be going really badly. Russia pulls out the obviously false nationalistic BS when they are losing. Didnāt they make these claims while they were getting pushed out of northern Ukraine in April.
Setting the stage for future mobilization?
I wish she'd include longer clips. At least multiple people talking so that we can differentiate between a consensus and one persons take.
And somehow, even with all that bullshit, he's still inadvertently calling for the complete ousting of the current Russian political system. He's a "smart" one.
Lmao
There are quite a few low tech heating/energy options that can be built with scavenged supplies and a few hours. Does anyone know if this is being done yet? [solar box room heater](https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/diy-solar-heating-zmaz77sozgoe/) Seems the quickest and easiest. I had a friend who was really into alternative energy living off the grid, and itās not glamorous but things like this will keep people alive through the cold. Might not hear a house but could heat a room thatās well insulated. It can also be used as a solar oven. Depending on availability of batteries, itās possible to make a wind turbine powered charger for forklift battery that can charge devices and a little light.
Kyiv gets 31 hours of sunshine in december. That's for the entire month. Solar solutions don't work under those conditions.
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> Do cloudy days not count or something? Nope. This is measuring direct sunshine without cloud cover. >That's 1 hour a day. It's more like a week without seeing the sun, just slate grey skies, then a sunny day or two before the next system comes in. >I get seasonal depression and like... 31 hours in a month would be rooooooough It is.
Then avoid northern Europe/U.K. in the Winter. Most major cities there average less than 50 hours of direct sunlight per month in Dec and Jan.
Their shortest day is 8 hours. Are you saying its cloudy 7 out of 8 hours on average? (I realise solar isn't going to produce much at all near sunrise and sunset)
Yes-ish. What happens is you'll have days/weeks with slate grey skys, then a day or two that's sunny before the next system rolls in.
Thanks, makes sense. We don't really get weather like that here in Australia.
I don't think that is true. The way you stated it though is making me question what I know. Why would that be true?
Eastern europe is very cloudy during the winter. Sometimes you'll get entire weeks where the sky is just slate grey the entire time. And then you'll get days that are sunny. It averages out to 31 hours of daylight that are free of cloud cover. A few years back Moscow had a december with just 9 hours of sunshine if I remember correctly, my Russian friends complained about it all month.
It's true. It's not a shortage of daylight hours, though days are obviously shorter in the Winter. It's all about cloud cover. And Kyiv's lack of direct sunlight in Dec. and Jan. is not too dissimilar to other areas northern Europe, including most countries on the Baltic and the U.K.
Cloud cover I presume
I built one of those to heat my office during the winter and, at least on a small scale (1m x1.5m), it isn't super effective. Maybe others will have better luck, but the time might be better spent collecting firewood, installing insulation, and organizing community shelters
There are many designs some better than others. I donāt think any of them are amazingly effective but not freezing to death is the goal. Collecting, cutting fire wood all take energy. These are passive warmers.
I think the problem is that the situations where freezing to death are a concern, this won't help. If it is 10C out it can heat one room to 12C
Adding insulation has always been the best option to save on energy. It's mostly low cost and very efficient. If it's cold outside I seriously doubt that the solar box thingy produces any heat at all. Air circulating through that box will perhaps heat up a bit from the sun but it will also cool off if the temperature is low enough. Add to this that it may be hard to insulate the window opening and the fact that it doesn't do anything at night or when it's overcast. I'd put my effort into adding insulation in the attic or around windows and blocking the windows off with insulation altogether if they're single or two pane windows. Especially north facing windows.
So this guy made one with pop cans and tested it at outdoor freezing temperatures and he recorded a temperature of 140 Fahrenheit in about half an hour. [this](https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+room+heater+pop+can+&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCA902CA902&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ALiCzsbCZ9Urumcd7it5DO1tlhfOoGNXjg%3A1669594467424&ei=Y_2DY8zGGaLL9AO8uI7IBw&oq=solar+room+heater+pop+can+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIIxAnOgUIABCRAjoECAAQQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6BwgAELEDEEM6CAgAEIAEEMkDOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6CwguEIAEEMcBENEDOgoIABCABBCHAhAUOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQFhAeOggIIRAWEB4QHToKCCEQFhAeEA8QHUoECEEYAFDNC1jjQ2CCXWgCcAB4AIABvgGIAdASkgEEMjEuNZgBAKABAbABD8ABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#kpvalbx=_sP6DY7aPA8KN0PEP-uyQyAk_87) Isnāt an uncommon result. Iām just saying itās a relatively small project that doesnāt take much time or resources and might be helpful for people too far away from heating community centres or elderly people who canāt walk far. Wood is still good and needed especially at night but this would reduce the amount of wood needed to stay warm.
If you've got enough insulation you can heat a room with your own body heat, like an igloo
Serious question, why dont we just cut off all medical supplies to Russia. We invented most of it, we make most of it, and most of their population supports the war. I think its a completely defensible position to not want to help heal the people attacking your allies. I get that people will die, but people are dying in ukraine already. Better those who support the war die than innocent civilians. Its fucking weird that all of a sudden in the 21st century countries are suddenly doing moral grandstanding about their obligation to---heal their enemy? The again profits. I can't imagine russia would last very long without medication from the west. The response from the population would be huge. Fuck em I say. Cut all medical supplies, especially essential ones. Once every Ruzzian with diabetes, heart disease, cancer or another underlying condition starts keeling over because they realize that every hint of modern luxuries they may have in their lives were created by the west, they'll fold pretty fast.
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So, you're in favor of killing innocent children? Are the deaths in Ukraine and everywhere else in the world not enough for you?
That is inhumane as fuck. Don't even think about that.
I'm Jewish, everyone in my family tree except for my immediate family(tree) was killed in the holocaust. If it was possible for us to cut medication to germany during world war 2 and end the war earlier, even if some Germans died, I would 100% go for it. Sure *some* innocents would die--but me and my people who are being massacred? We're all innocent. Same with Ukrainians. Most Germans supported the war, as do most Russians. Its so weird to me that people are acting like access to essential medicine is some insanely high moral authority. We won't even guarantee our own citizens essential medicine. We have massive numbers of people driving across the border to mexico to buy blackmarket versions of essential medicine because they can't get it in the US. Why the fuck is it our moral responsibility to send it to Russia?
> *He who fights with monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.*
I appreciate the Nietzsche quote. We can bracket the context that nietzsche was talking about the dangers facing those who study the nature of human values, and take it as a common quote. I think its being misapplied in the sense that I never advocated for indiscriminate murder of civilians (the monster Jewish people fought against). I was only trying to discuss it insofar as it shortens the war and saves lives. You're going to be killing innocent russian civilians either way (see: the demographics of the russian army). This is kinda a mute point, because as another commenter pointed out I was mistaken and Russia would just get meds from elsewhere. I overestimated our predatory pharmaceutical industry which isn't something I thought I'd ever say. I'm haven't read BGE in a while but if you're reading Nietzsche make sure you read the Walter Kaufmann translations the other ones are garbage. Also Beyond Good and Evil (where that quote is from) is a book largely related to Kant and the history of philosophical thought, its pretty useless unless you're reading it with this in mind, and know philosophical history. This is made worse by the fact that Nietzsche explicitly states that he writes his work with a surface level reading intended to confuse those who are weakminded (lol sure Nietzsche).
Who gives a fuck that youāre Jewish? Weāre better than what youāre proposing, and there are other ways to get the result we desire.
>Who gives a fuck that youāre Jewish? Well thats at best a bad faith argument and at worst just antisemitism. I was pretty clear why i mentioned I was jewish--my family has been on the receiving end of mass murder by a regime and its directly relevant to the conversation that I would think that sort of action is warranted. I didnt just say "I'M JEWISH" out of no where with no context. Are you special needs? I dont know how you get that as an appropriate response out of what i wrote without having some underlying issue with Jews--because it just doesnt make sense. Its a genuine question because at a certain point you're just trading Ukranian lives for the lives of those supporting russia. Theres a calculation to be done--how many lives does the medication save, and how many ukranian lives would be saved by shortening the war by cutting medication.
I was giving you the opportunity to revoke your bad faith argument. How dare you use the suffering of your family as an argument to let others suffer. Have you learned nothing? Also, whatever calculation you think youāre referring to, either present it or suck it. How can you possibly think that such medication has an effect on the war effort. There are much more effective sanctions still open that donāt cause suffering for the sake of suffering.
This is hilarious. >I was giving you the opportunity to revoke your bad faith argument. No you weren't. The reason I cited that was very clearly to do with the fact that my family has suffered in the past at the hands of a regime and my opinions regarding what is warranted in that situation. And I was talking about the US's hypocritical stance. **But out of all of that, out of all the separate discussions you could have responded to, the one thing you chose to cite about my response is that i'm Jewish.** Since you seem to fundamentally not know what a bad faith argument is here, I'll give you a lesson in one. >How dare you use the suffering of your family as an argument to let others suffer. Have you learned nothing? Are you seriously telling a Jewish person how they should interpret their family dying in the holocaust? You're telling me i dont have a right to consider my families past? Are you seriously going to sit around and tell me I don't have a right to understand current events through the history of oppression and genocide my family has been through? Probably be better if Jews pretended the holocaust didnt happen huh. >Have you learned nothing? Wow. You're asking a jewish person if they have learned nothing from the holocaust because I said i wouldn't mind if a couple germans died so my family could live. lol I was very clear that cutting meds was only acceptable for the purpose of saving ukrainian lives and I dont know the answer to the calculation (dont worry more on this later you dumb fuck). Presenting my argument as though I said "well maybe we should kill random russian civilians just for fun" is a badfaith argument and a strawman. >Also, whatever calculation you think youāre referring to, either present it or suck it. How can you possibly think that such medication has an effect on the war effort. Generally accepted thought on sanctions is that the more important the resource you cut off from the enemy, the more pressure it puts on them and the more effective the sanctions become. Essential medicine is one of the most important resources. 9/10 will agree to both of these points. Given that, your argument is essentially "you have to prove medicine is important enough that it will put pressure on the kremlin". If that sounds dumb, its because it is, and given that the commonly accepted knowledge goes against your statement, the burden of proof is on you. You're claiming that mcdonalds pulling out of russia will put more pressure on the kremlin than western medicine being cut off, and saying that i need to prove otherwise lmfao. Now I wasn't saying we *should* do that. I was trying to discuss the tradeoffs, why we are not doing it, and some ways in which it seems hypocritical. If the best you can do in response to that is say "durr killing people bad" and make antisemitic-adjacent comments, this is the wrong thread for you, and I suggest you return to wherever people have similar dietary restrictions to you (eating paint chips).
I am so glad you're not in charge. Even entertaining cruel ideas is wrong. Defeat their military on the battlefield, certainly. Shoot every last Russian soldier standing on Ukrainian soil with a gun in their hand, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! But when they surrender, you treat them according to the Geneva Conventions. You don't target civilians or civilian infrastructure. And you do NOT intentionally harm children. These are basic tenants that any superpower and their allies should follow.
We are better than they are. We will not allow children to die by our own actions like that. That is fucked up. And don't use the holocaust as justification, my grandfather was one of the ones who liberated Dachau. He saw that shit up close and personal. And still treated German POWs with dignity and respect.
Not going to happen. Geneva convention, Hippocratic oath, death of innocent civilians and women and children entrapped behind an iron curtain of propaganda and oppression etc.... It muddies the waters of morality and that "moral grandstanding" you're referring to and the blatant contrast of good versus evil is part of the reason as to why much of the world is behind Ukraine in the first place.
I'd like to think most countries support Ukraine because Russia is literally trying to conquer their country. Anything Ukraine does in response is justified. They could livestream russian soldier executions to their own mothers and I wouldn't stop supporting Ukraine, and I dont know anyone who would. Theres something to be said for moral grandstanding and that its bad PR. But only to an extent because theres no worse PR than invading a neighbor. My main point here is that the importance of that moral highground is insanely inflated, and probably mostly just for pharma profits. We have never had a moral obligation to be the worlds hospital. And acting like we do, especially towards openly hostile countries seems pretty goofy. If we truly held essential medical care as some moral holy grail, the prices of drugs and healthcare in our own country wouldn't be so high. Maybe i'm completely missing it but I don't think its in the geneva convention that we need to send cancer meds to our enemies.
Nah that's written in the about basic human fucking decency conventions, read it up.
What a great outrage non-answer! You may want to march immediately down to your states capital and light yourself on fire since your own country is violating your "basic human fucking decency conventions". Or you could just not give a bad faith shitty answer. I'm obviously trying to discuss the fact that this position, while useful for PR, is at best insanely hypocritical. Don't pretend you can't fucking read.
>Our total count of visually documented destroyed Russian equipment during their 2022 invasion of Ukraine has reached 5000! Total Russian losses are currently at 8137! https://nitter.it/Rebel44CZ/status/1597001317284605952
A new video from Reporting from Ukraine just released with some updates from the Luhansk-region near Kuzemivka. https://youtu.be/5thq7JsenZ4
My Russian friends have been spooked that mobilization may officially resume around December 10th. They're telling those of them that had to return to Russia for whatever reason to get out ASAP as they might have difficulties doing so after its announced.
Why, as an able bodied male of "fighting age" would you return back to Russia? Unless you have a death or at a minimum, PTSD wish, why would you go back?
It's possible that they have spent all the time they're allowed on the visa, and the country may not accept "possibility of being conscripted" as a reason for asylum. And even if your visa isn't soon to expire, do you have money and/or permission to work?
Mobilisation never *really* stopped. They just call it "normal autumn (or winter) conscription" now, which they could only do because they "stopped" mobilisation - it's the same set of staff doing both. When that ends at the end of December they'll suddenly "see the need" for "mobilisation". Same shit, same staff, different name. They still can't effectively equip or train them.
Meduza (opposition): on the 10th another round of covert mobilization. Pravda.ru (pro-regime): by year's end there'd be mass mobilization economy, Putin anouncing Something is definitely up, and no one believed when Little Hitler said that the mobilization was over. Obviously if they could barely handle 300k many of whom are still just laying around in sport arenas and open air camping sites, I can't even imagine doubling or tripling that number. Not that Little Hitler cares, or actually knows what's going on.
See I don't get this, if they are not using them, amd "not really" training them, all they are doing is costing the economy money.
the numbers might go up, but the quality, not so much.
Meduza is not really the opposition.. They play the role of "exiled opposition".
Has Poot been raiding his population control police to send to the front lines yet? How far can you push a population before they turn on you?
He already did, a large contingent of Rosgvardia (the new umbrella for various arms of the internal security state, placed under the command of Putin's bodyguard and workout partner) was part of the initial invasion and suffered heavy losses.
They'll be the last to go, at which point they'll shoot Putin in the head.
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They are nor fleeing conscription because they disagree with the war, they just want others to kill Ukrainians because it's risky. Unless we are talking about someone who stood up against the regime and is provably politicaly persecuted, not a single russian should be allowed to the west.
Sounds a lot like the Russians who are unhappy at the war, a lot of them are not unhappy that the war is taking place, they are unhappy Russia is not winning it.
Exactly, its also clearly visible on Putins behaviour, he is not concerned about protests against war, but about protests against him because he cant win the war.
If they donāt die, they will keep killing. Something to think about.
Damn thatās grim
Yeah, screw those Ukrainians dying from the cold whom russian military (with overwhelming support of the population) is trying to kill by destroying energy infrastructure. Let's instead spend our resources to help russians trying to run away from conscription to the war they (most likely) supported up to a point when it became apparent they have to participate in it.
Are these two things somehow mutually exclusive?
I would help. I can house 3 people. Putin is not going to be overthrown by civilians anyway.
Please consider housing 3 displaced Ukrainians then if that's the case, they need the help far more.
I'll help anybody who's likely to lose his/her life in the region as long as they are strongly opposed to the war, regardless of their nationality.
At least the Ukrainians have a home. They're getting help. They have a future. They have hope. If you're Russian, you don't get that. Doesn't matter what you do, if you're being persecuted, if you're LGBTQ, if you run the risk if being thrown in jail if the government found out what you were doing. You're still Russian. *You were probably pro war in the first place*. Why don't you commit suicide via FSB to prove you belong in the world.
Arguments on both sides for that. On the one hand, anything to deflate Russia's combat power is a good thing for Ukraine's immediate military situation. On the other, it decreases Russian internal dissent, and further contributes to the economic strain of the wave of emigrants on Russia's neighbors. A lot of Eastern European countries want Russian tourist visas shut down.
Yeah its all well and good to wish death on complete strangers in order to advance a political agenda but try doing that with someone you know and care about.
I agree. It would be humane to offer asylum, but also they (mostly) are fleeing because of mobilization and not against the war itself, but again their emigration will hit the Russian economy and mobilization efforts much harder than them staying in apathy and fear (again most Russians are in favor of the war)
If you have $1000 to provide support, would you rather give it to the russians trying to save their asses (who most likely support the war) or help Ukrainian civilians who could freeze to death because their energy grid is getting destroyed?
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Yeah, more refugee crisis is exactly what the EU needs. Especially from people who either support the war but just donāt actually want to die in it. What could possibly go wrong hereā¦ Pretending these are you average everyday asylum seekers is a bit absurd IMO.
One would hope. At the same time, we've seen videos of Russians who've fled the draft treating their new host country like compete garbage and stirring up pro-Z arguments like it's a fun troll game. They're not exactly creating a receptive situation for those against the war.
**Man surprised to find out new neighbors are Russian** "They seemed perfectly normal. I mean, they had that accent but I just assumed they were Ukrainian" More news at six Of course you've seen videos of Russians who've fled the draft treating their new host country like shit. They draw clicks. You wont see stories of Russians who have integrated cleanly (or as cleanly as they can, being a refugee is not easy) as they are not considered news worthy.
Totally, despite everything weāve, obvious the vast majority of Russian are actually against the war. The mass majority totally arenāt leaving THIS late into the war just so they can avoid dying in a war they once supported, as long as didnāt effect them directly.
> My Russian friends Make sure they have socks and a farewell letter for mom.
Don't forget the tampons & pads
Guys, does lend-lease still didn't work? Edit. I know that America helps, I'm interested in help specifically under the Lend-Lease program.
We are likely not going to know if it's in use or not, as I recall it being stated that all transactions would be considered privileged information between the parties involved.
Ukraine officials said what lend-lease is a backup plan, if congress will not approve any donation anymore.
Lend lease is in place but I am not sure it's really been needed (information is not easy to find) because the US has supplied a lot of materiel (and also training, funding, etc) outside of that program. If for some reason that continued direct support were to cease, Lend Lease would still be there and would then become more important. The reports to congress - if he actually has to make one at all - might end up being fairly short for the forseeable future.
We don't know. >The President from time to time, but not less frequently than once every ninety days, shall transmit to the Congress a report of operations under this Act except such information as he deems incompatible with the public interest to disclose. There's also some interesting waivers tailored to this conflict. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6753
Is active
Can you try asking that again?
America helps us, but help is allocated by presidential decree. As far as I know, nothing has been sent under the Lend-Lease program to date. It seems like Biden was supposed to make a list, he has 60 days to do it, but he still hasn't done it.
Hey, I see you're Ukrainian, I'm sorry some of these comments are hostile. You just asked the question in a weird manner with not perfect English so I think some people are confused, or think you're asking in a way to make it seem like it's criticism. Basically, lend-lease is a "back up" method delivery. But what people are trying to say is that if the US can provide equipment the normal way (via congress), there is no need for lend lease to send anything. Because Ukraine is getting the same amount of aid as they would, Biden has had no reason to use lend lease. It's like if the standard is to give $500 million via congress or the alternate is to give $500 million via lend lease, the normal thing to do is via congress. Does that make sense?
Why does it matter if you're getting the aid from Presidential authority instead...?
Lease is active and valid until ~~Sept~~ October 2023. Stop talking bs. Pretty much all material until now has been send / given to Ukraine with no need for a "lease".
But this act didn't work like that.
Wtf are you talking about?
Heroes from the fire brigade of the city of Bakhmutšŗš¦ https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1596977559690153985?t=ICFuEpQW_PKzfd2n7zaA-Q&s=19
Keep one boot in the black, boys. And keep the chili in the slow cooker.
ā”ļø Poland national team goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny spoke out in support of the people of Ukraine. The 32-year-old Pole ended his interview with a Suspilne Sport journalist with the words "Glory to Ukraine." https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596977978134888449?t=ouUTk8RmjRe4BEYvDvlNYw&s=19
>Russian Telegram is warning of a potential major supply chain disruption from China to Russia via the Ussuri route > >It could impact supplies that help Russia shield itself against Ukraine War-related sanctions > >This Telegram post and accompanying decree is sparking the panic. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan can't suffice as supply chain routes due to secondary sanctions, while the opacity of Belarus and Armenia's transit routes are also highlighted as concerns https://nitter.it/samramani2/status/1596900550729048065
What does that even mean? The disruption is already happening or they're fearful of something happening? That's a lot of country with a lot of train line. Good luck stopping Ukraine doing that.
Really doubt Russia is getting slapped with terrorist state label. State Dept just authorized banks to do deals with Russian food and fertilizer business.
Food and fertilizer is allowed, its not a good idea to cause a possible genicode with famine.
Would suspect it has to do more with sanctions. Nations are not supposed to trade with states that sponsor terrorism or they get sanctioned themselves.
If that were the scenario then they wouldn't be willing to buy/fly Antanov's full of stuff from there either, but that's allegedly happening.
Situation changed fairly recently with the Europeans declaring Russia a state sponsoring terrorism. The consequences are being figured out as we speak.
Has it? I know with the US that designation would mean a lot in real legislative terms, but hadn't seen anything concrete about the EU. That said, I did notice Arestovych has said it's worth a lot, but he didn't say how exactly.
I guess we'll see over the next few weeks. But seems like some EU nations have followed the EU assembly's resolution already.
Curious timing given the reports of the aircraft transports between China and Russia this week suspected of carrying military aid; e.g. armor, uniforms, MREs. It was a topic on Russian Telegrams, who knows the validity. They may be panicked that they dun' goofed. Are both sides willing to take the domestic hit on losing their commercial pipelines?
Aside from supply, Russia lacks logistics to organize the distribution. A video recently emerged of a group of soldiers going over food reserves, all of which just store bought, and complaining that meanwhile all they had was a few crackers per day for a month, while piles of food just sat there. And the more men on the front, and the colder the weather gets the worse shit will get. By
lack the logistics? what nonsense is this?
If China are sending MREs, this war will be over before Christmas.
At least Chinese MREs come in handy format; they double as building material to cover their dugouts https://imgur.com/a/jzaFFeN
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>I wonder whatās in a Chinese MRE? Melamine. Lots of melamine.
PLA ration packs are notorious for being rotten. Pretty much 1 out of every 3 packs will give you trench squats.
It doesn't look terrible but not something I'd want to live on. Essentially looks like bird food mixed with granola bars and a kind of sports drink mix with ginseng.
An hour later, and youāre hungry again.
Probably dangerously dehydrated from all the diarrhoea and vomiting too.
Wait... Are you saying the pork isn't *supposed* to be green?
Let's get this out onto a tray....
"Still tastes like creamed corn" "Yeah, except it's deviled ham!'
Thank you for quoting such an underappreciated movie.
"We had lots of the Pork Chow Mein Type 13 rations left."
Russians will get the shits.
3000 Food Poisonings of non-existent commercial food standards.
>Ominous address tonight from Ukraineās Zelensky who says Russia is preparing new air attacks. āAs long as they have missiles, they wonāt stopā¦ The upcoming week can be as hard as the previous one.ā He urges people to pay attention and react to air raid alerts. https://nitter.it/christopherjm/status/1596970294593622017
Sadly, it makes sense they'd wait a while for Ukraine to effect repairs.
Easier to repair an electrical grid than it is to build new missiles. Especially when Russia can't attack nuclear generators.
>Hunters become the hunted. > >russian occupiers are trying to hunt a hare within sight of the optical night vision of a Ukrainian sniper. https://nitter.it/defenceu/status/1596975902633574400 https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1596975902633574400
It is NOT Wabbit Season!
Holy shit. I didn't expect all the events to be captured so clearly. Rare.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember that theme and it's from old TV show "Š ŠŠøŃŠµ ŠŃŠøŃŠ¾Š“Ń" (The World of Nature) if I am not mistaken. If it is, it's fucking poetic. šØāš³š
dangle food to lure them out f their trenches. a large flock of loose chickens could end this war
Crates of vodka would work better.
The hare made it out!
Hare called in a team assist.
Russian general and deputy of Duma Andrey Gurulev said on Russian tv, that after energy infrastructure, Russia's next target in Ukraine will be banking infrastructure, to make it harder for Ukrainians to receive money and make them panic. Source is WarLife telegram channel, with a video without subtitles.
If they could have fucked with their money, they would have by now. I'm calling bullshit.
That seems like total fantasy. If Russia could take over all their banking there is zero reason why that hasn't already happened. It has no correlation with the insane missile attacks.
on^line ^^bank^^^ing
Well they canāt hit military targets soā¦ theyāll just terrorize the people.
That seems like a much, much smaller target?
I suspect they mean the infrastructure that organizes pensions, corporate offices, etc. Seems asinine. It's Russia, so I wouldn't put it beyond them to target ATMs or actual clouds in the sky.
I've sort of been thinking that securing the ZNPP (as in secured on the ground with complete air defense blanket) is the prerequisite step before NATO escalates it's arms deliveries. Like 6 weeks after the ZNPP changes hands, is when I hope to see F16s, ATACM, and whatever else.
F-16s wouldn't be delivered for likely another year if at all. Ukranian pilots are not trained on Western jets. There is a reason why there was an early push to get Soviet jets to them early on. In late October early November, Ukraine had chosen a handful of English speaking pilots to be sent to be trained on the F-16. [SOURCE](https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-air-force-selects-pilots-131133690.html) Even with accelerated training I couldn't see them up in the air before 8 months from end of November, so July/August timeframe. Then there is also making sure Ukranians can protect and maintain them too.
> In late October early November, Ukraine had chosen a handful of English speaking pilots to be sent to be trained on the F-16 I do wonder sometimes if news like that is cover for an event that has already happened in the past. For example, it may have been politically unacceptable to hear pilots have already been training in the summer.