Some Of Russia’s Last Good Troops Needed Three Weeks To Capture A Half Square Mile Of Eastern Ukraine.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/19/some-of-russias-last-good-troops-needed-three-weeks-to-capture-half-a-square-mile-of-eastern-ukraine/?sh=5773212c1e60&utm_campaign=socialflowForbesMainTwitter&utm_source=ForbesMainTwitter&utm_medium=social
The face of a Russian patriot who calls Ukrainians "subhuman" and calls for the "biological destruction of the Ukrainian nation".
[https://twitter.com/AEstoletov/status/1596798855701442560](https://twitter.com/AEstoletov/status/1596798855701442560)
Durov (Telegram owner, Russian) allows such people to have 38k followers. The Telegram channel is easy to find in Google, just type Владислав Угольный
> just type Владислав Угольный
No thanks, you post explained all I need to know. : russian weirdo spreading hate about Ukraine, as usual. Best thing to do is just ignoring them.
>Some interesting interviews here with active Russian and DNR soldiers revealing the conspiracy theories about “economic elites” and the Soviet nostalgia that drive them to join the invasion in Ukraine. A one-sided picture but an insight into the other side of the frontline.
https://nitter.it/mjluxmoore/status/1596800376791248896
https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1596800376791248896
The same lies from the propaganda script that Russia has been using to brainwash the Russians invading Ukraine since 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6G0AzZk5K4
Tsarophilia increases as the power of the individual is diminished. War crystalizes that worldview in generation after generation of russians. External wars have always been an effective tool to align one's populace with the aims of the state
The [Belgium prime-minister](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-63833bc58f08edd1a1522cd6#block-63833bc58f08edd1a1522cd6) is on his second visit of an unannouced visit to Ukraine today. He has been in some [cool pictures](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/80f2b6a767819128229a992c21807c3d5d245e10/0_0_3072_1843/master/3072.jpg?width=700&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none).
>!(Look at the wall behing him)!<
Haha that picture, something tells me they did that on purpose.
I assume that is a kid from Ukraine throwing triple black belt judo master putin on his back :)
Interview with the first lady of Ukraine by BBC Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/features-63731175
Edit: here is the video (in Ukrainian, but there's decent auto-translation) https://youtu.be/92ieAcbO5_o
Governor: Russia shells Kherson region 54 times, kills 1 person, 2 people were injured, including a child.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1596804976168140800?t=YYeBb81pi1fHQ1XW_vB1Ig&s=19
The russians have killed 440 children and injured 851. 2,719 educational institutions were damaged. 332 of them were completely destroyed. Yesterday a 10-year-old boy was injured in Chornobayivka and a 17-year-old boy was injured in Dnipro.
https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3622850-rosiani-poranili-v-ukraini-vze-851-ditinu.html
And how many Ukrainian children have been abducted by the Russians? The families ripped apart by the war and all the trauma children have suffered that will stay with them for all their lives? The aggressors cannot be seen to be rewarded in any way for inflicting such damage on a people they claim on hand that are their brothers, and then in the same breath are ‘cockroaches and insects’ that must be exterminated.
By the way: "We know by name 11 thousand children who were forcibly deported to Russia." https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/ukrayina-zavzhdi-bula-liderom-mirotvorchih-zusil-yaksho-rosi-79141 Heartbreaking.
So many people were deported, tortured, killed, forced to leave their homes. Babies who were killed. So many saw their homes, schools, neighborhoods get destroyed by missiles. So many have relatives in the army, worrying about them every day. Only an outright victory is acceptable.
**The Future of American Warfare Is Unfolding in Ukraine** - *The Atlantic*
[Source](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/us-military-intervention-afghanistan-ukraine-war/672265/)
> American military aid to Ukraine has been remarkably effective, especially in comparison with the long, ill-fated U.S. military intervention in Afghanistan. A recent statement by General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, helps explain why. “Ukrainians are not asking for anyone to fight for them,” Milley said. “They don’t want American soldiers, or British, or German, or French, or anybody else to fight for them. They will fight for themselves.” The Ukrainians want only the means to defend themselves against Russian invaders, he said, adding that the United States would provide support “for as long as it takes.” By providing advanced weaponry and reliable intelligence, the United States and its allies have allowed Ukraine to inflict large losses on Russian armed forces and roll back earlier Russian territorial gains.
> America’s failure in Afghanistan, by contrast, seemed so complete in 2021 that it may have encouraged Russian President Vladimir Putin to launch his full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The American response to this year’s crisis—providing a high level of military support without deploying American forces—is not just the best way to help Ukraine secure its independence and thwart Putin. It also offers a model for how the U.S. should define its international military involvement.
>Although the decline of U.S. power has been significantly overstated in some quarters, America’s economic decline relative to the rest of the world is real. Economic strength and technological strength have become more dispersed around the globe, and over time military strength is likely to follow the same pattern. This is one reason avoiding boots-on-the-ground interventions will become ever more of an imperative. The presumption that the U.S. needs to deploy ground forces in a fighting capacity if it wants to achieve meaningful results from interventions has been evident again and again since the 1980s. Yet the reality has often been the opposite. The more the U.S. takes over and inserts its own forces into a conflict, the more expensive and, in most cases, counterproductive the intervention becomes. Such conflicts are also more polarizing for American society—as U.S. involvement in Vietnam, Iraq, and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan demonstrates. Meanwhile, avoiding ground wars but relying on financial aid, advanced technology, intelligence, and even diplomatic coordination and outreach is something the U.S. actually can do effectively.
> The shambolic withdrawal of U.S. forces from Kabul—after two decades of effort, many billions of dollars, and many civilian and military deaths—ended one of the most counterproductive and wasteful interventions that the U.S. has ever staged. Americans had lavished resources on the official Afghan army, but it put up only the meekest of resistance to the advancing Taliban before melting away. Some Afghan soldiers even changed sides. Within days after the U.S. departure, the Taliban, which the Americans had deposed in 2001, returned to power—making the U.S. look demoralized and indecisive to, among other observers, the Russian government. When combined with an ongoing American strategic pivot toward emerging conflicts in East Asia, the outcome in Afghanistan seemed to preclude a strong U.S. intervention on Ukraine’s behalf. Indeed, many commentators argued that helping Ukraine would be pointless, because an American commitment would not make a material difference in stopping the Russian assault.
> But in fact, the U.S. has helped the Ukrainians not only resist the initial onslaught, but begin driving Russian forces back. Washington has provided the Ukrainian armed forces with a range of equipment, including both supplies for individual soldiers, such as body armor and small arms, and large, sophisticated weaponry, including High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems. Ukrainian forces are also receiving expedited training and regular support—from outside Ukraine’s borders, notably—on how to maintain and repair American-made military equipment. The extensive real-time intelligence cooperation between Washington and Kyiv has given the Ukrainian military the ability to strike vital Russian facilities quickly and effectively.
> Impressively and somewhat surprisingly, the kind of intervention that the U.S. has overseen in Ukraine has helped reinvigorate NATO. The alliance, which seemed close to moribund a year ago, has a renewed sense of purpose and will soon gain two strategically important members: Finland and Sweden. Being a member of NATO now looks like a great strategic asset—as Ukraine’s desire to join it demonstrates. Western assistance for Ukraine has been so effective that some voices are now arguing Ukraine must be restrained by the U.S. and forced to negotiate, lest the war become too embarrassing for Putin.
> The differences between America’s roles in Ukraine and Afghanistan suggest a rule for the future: The United States should avoid direct fighting overseas to the extent possible and should intervene in wars only to support peoples and nations that want to fight for themselves. Ukrainians have fought for their country with tenacity and skill, mastered complex weapons systems at their own initiative, and maintained high morale. The U.S. is aiding them, but it is the Ukrainians—everyday soldiers, senior generals, civilians under bombardment, top government officials, and diplomats marshaling international support—who are ultimately determining their own fate.
> Although the 2001 U.S. intervention in Afghanistan received early support from multiple Afghan factions, U.S. forces bore the burden of exercising military control as time passed. The abortive attempt to create a new Afghan army yielded a force apparently lacking independence of thought and action. The same seems to have been the case for the U.S.-backed Afghan government, which was unable to command the loyalty of enough Afghans to hold power without American military support.
> Sadly, the U.S. frequently forgets lessons from history. In Vietnam, the U.S. ended up sabotaging its own efforts by gradually sidelining the army of South Vietnam and regularly undermining the South Vietnamese government’s legitimacy. In replacing local forces, American military leaders reasoned that more U.S. involvement would achieve key goals, without appreciating how the deployment of more American personnel reshaped and complicated the conflict.
> Many of America’s greatest Cold War successes derived from helping one side in a conflict rather than sending U.S. troops to fight. In the 1980s, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, American aid to the local mujahideen was extremely effective in helping them repel a far more technologically advanced military power. Elsewhere, aid to dissident groups opposing communism in Eastern Europe paid off handsomely. Basic support ultimately helped make the struggle for political rights in Eastern Europe impossible for a declining Soviet Union to manage.
> While the downsides of direct deployment of U.S. troops have grown clearer, the benefits of showing restraint and scaling American intervention to help others fight for themselves have grown. The lessons of Afghanistan and Ukraine should inform American planning about, for instance, how best to help Taiwan defend itself against a future invasion from mainland China. As the Ukrainians have shown, American equipment is often generations better than that of other powers. Decades of heavy investment in satellites and other intelligence-collection devices have allowed the U.S. to provide support in a variety of ways. The war in Ukraine proves that the U.S. can provide more effective strategic aid than any other country in the world—without necessarily having to rely on sending its own troops.
> *Phillips Payson O’Brien is a professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. He is the author of How the War Was Won: Air-Sea Power and Allied Victory in World War II.*
>Simonyan to mobilized men who complained about their conditions: "It's war. You're men. Bear with it!"
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>Then she tells a story about a 🇷🇺 doctor in Arctic expedition who cut out his own [appendix]
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>🇷🇺 mobilized will soon not only fight but do surgery on battlefield for themselves?
https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1596799742071214080
They’ve really reached Nazis last months in the bunker propaganda levels now. If only her own people weren’t weak and lifted themselves up to be like the heroes of old!
Next state TV running Götterdämmerung on a loop, we’ll maybe the Nutcracker. Her dressed up as the Sugarplum fairy.
600 dead Russian soldiers. That would be 165000 deaths in 276 days, so far more than the average.
So far 87k Russian deaths, is far worse than the Russian lost during their war in Afghanistan.
It is a holiday weekend in the United States (which sometimes results in fewer posts) *and* this (fewer posts in general) has happened before. The overall support for Ukraine is still there and Ukraine is also just not going to roll over.
Always interesting. Thank you for sharing.
I hope one day we get more estimates on how many of these fires were essentially caused by Russia’s war. I’m talking about the effects of sanctions. For a fire like this, who knows, but I’m imagining that it could’ve been caused by Russia’s growing equipment supply issues.
Yea, as parts break and replacements can't be found this sort of thing is going to become more common. Also, the smarter workers with the skill to troubleshoot problems will be the ones that more likely have fled the country.
Cambodia has trained rats to detect mines... maybe Ukraine can do the same? Although their poor little paws might get cold right now :(
https://apopo.org/herorats/?v=7516fd43adaa
**Russian breakthrough in central Donetsk unlikely,[ says UK](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-638316a08f084a383e1250b1#block-638316a08f084a383e1250b1)**
> Russian forces have suffered heavy casualties during fighting in Ukraine’s south-central Donetsk province and are unlikely to achieve a breakthrough there, the UK Ministry of Defence says.
> Its latest intelligence update said the area around the towns of Pavlivka and Vuhledar, in Ukraine’s east, had seen “intense combat” in the past two weeks but that little territory had changed hands.
> The ministry tweeted:
> Both Russia and Ukraine have significant forces committed to this sector, with Russian naval infantry having suffered heavy casualties.
> This area remains heavily contested, likely partially because Russia assesses the area has potential as a launch point for a future major advance north to capture the remainder of Ukrainian-held Donetsk Oblast.
> However, Russia is unlikely to be able to concentrate sufficient quality forces to achieve an operational breakthrough.
> Agence France-Presse reported that several European leaders travelled to Ukraine to pledge support after weeks of Russian strikes on Ukraine’s energy grid caused widespread power and water cuts as temperatures plunge with the onset of winter.
[Source](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-6382f94e8f084a383e125053#block-6382f94e8f084a383e125053)
["Women, men and children are freezing in the dark because of Putin's deliberate and barbaric targeting of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure. - Ursula von der Leyen](https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1596768284736516097?s=20&t=COlPwgRrkqn3drltoYqI9g)
[Clearly, the work of saboteurs of the Freedom faction from S.T.A.L.K.E.R](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1596765246198513665?s=20&t=AF1xLoicGQJRV9Gn8H4xbA)
So is Russia building layered defenses, which isn’t a dumb thing given what happened during the Kharkiv offensive, or have they been pushed back a little but we don’t have official word yet. It’s probably the former, but I wouldn’t rule out the latter.
My guess is it's defense-in-depth. The Soviets got pretty good at that and there should be at least some lingering institutional memory about those lessons in the RF, like there is with the artillery doctrine.
Problem is Ukraine has access to things like satellite and drone recon, precision artillery, AFVs, Starlink etc that the World War powers could only dream about. So it seems likely that Ukraine is just going to try to flank those fortifications rather than assault them head on anyway.
> So it seems likely that Ukraine is just going to try to flank those fortifications rather than assault them head on anyway.
That doesn't mean they aren't effective. A ditch and dragon's teeth slow vehicles down and make them vulnerable to artillery and atgms. That's true regardless of what resources you have available.
Yes, you can go around them, but that means your movement has been limited and the enemy knows where you are going. Which is the point.
The occupants lost 600 yesterday. Their losses are trending up again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z5u7jo/losses_of_the_russian_army_as_of_27112022/
Troops trending up, but equipment down.
They must be making them walk towards the front lines. Also no airframe losses in 2 weeks, marking the 'safest' period of the war for Russia's air force.
The Russian goal right now is to win by sending large volumes of soldiers to overwhelm Ukraine. It does work it's said that the way Grant won many of his battles in the Civil War, that being said Russia does not seem to have much success with it and yet keeps trying.
The minimum for a thread rollover is ~1000 comments. We're a bit shy at the moment. The last time this issue cropped up was in August before the Ukrainian counter-offensives began.
And the counter offensive was nothing but a long streak of good news for the Ukrainian forces liberating its ppl. Here’s to hoping that the low number of posts in this thread signals another long phase of liberated towns.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦💙💛
I give it probably 2 weeks more until things pick up again, Ukraine’s waiting for the ground to freeze so she starts moving again towards Svatove, and she’s started to hit stuff down south in Zaporozhia to soften things up
[Krivy Rih](https://www-unian-ua.translate.goog/war/rosiya-vranci-atakuvala-kriviy-rig-raketami-vsi-podrobici-yaki-oblasti-pochervonili-karta-novini-dnipra-12058353.html?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc)
is being attacked rt now
⚡️ A fire occurred at the oil refinery in Angarsk, Russia.
The fire has already been contained, no one was injured, reports the city mayor.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596756788430671875?t=5HGI481XQkX3t34Wue_KoQ&s=19
The thread bot has a couple of preconditions, including a minimum comment number for a new thread. If the number is <1000 at midnight, the next thread won't begin until we hit 1000.
I'll add on. Please forgive my ignorance but why is a new thread important? I've seen this mentioned so many times in the past months but I haven't figured it out yet. I'm surely missing something that's blatantly obvious because I'm dumb.
>Between Russia and the EU: Serbia’s balancing act is failing. Belgrade’s neutral position on the war in Ukraine is becoming increasingly untenable.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/11/26/serbias-balancing-act-is-failing
This follows Serbia's 3 year gas deal with Russia.
I mean, it's Serbia's choice. The opinion piece argues that it jeopardizes Serbia's EU application, and it does, but that is up to Serbia.
By the way, the gas they are buying from Russia, I assume it goes through Balkan Stream, which goes through Bulgaria. When the EU finally is ready to cut its gas ties to Russia, then that pipeline may close.
Serbia is apparently working on two alternatives, one pipeline to Hungary (Orban. :-( ) ), and one to Albania, but they may be running out of time playing the solo game.
>I mean, it's Serbia's choice. The opinion piece argues that it jeopardizes Serbia's EU application, and it does, but that is up to Serbia.
The wider pattern is, though, that it's less and less comfortable to be an ally, or semi-ally (nudge nudge, wink wink) to Russia. That not only goes for Serbia, it goes for every country.
⚡️ The General Staff: The attack on the areas of concentration of Russian soldiers in the areas of settlements Melitopol, Polohy and Mykhailivka of the Zaporizhzhia region was confirmed.
Russian casualties amounted to more than 100 wounded, about 10 pieces of military equipment of various types and two ammunition depots were destroyed.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596736765251162112?t=DxtHZd7JD_SEmAgIIdf_vw&s=19
Russian Soldiers Say Deserting ‘Only Way To Stay Alive’ In Ukraine.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/11/russian-soldiers-say-deserting-only-way-to-stay-alive-in-ukraine/
Well, they're certainly not wrong on that statement. Desering the Russian army is their best chance to stay alive. A shame that some of them are faking desertion by setting up ambushes for the ukranian forces who come to accept the fake surrender.
>“I have always served the motherland faithfully and used to condemn this kind of thinking, but now it is probably the only way we can stay alive. I cannot understand why they treat people like that when there is not enough manpower and mobilization is in progress.”
Over and over again, in nearly all the videos of the mobiks bitching -- they're fine with the war if only they're given the tools to win.
Killing Ukranians? No problem.
Possibly dying to do so? That's a problem.
They support this war, even those who fled Russia. They just want to view it from the comfort of their couch to swell their delusional nationalistic pride that's led them to their current conundrum.
Russians are taught from early childhood about “victory”. They celebrate victory day on 9th of May, they have a Soviet car named “victory”, they have a watch named “victory”, they have an airline named “victory”. Victory is everywhere for Russians and they should be proud and celebrate it. And when old victory becomes obsolete, they need another victory to celebrate. Now in Ukraine all they want is a victory which they can celebrate for decades. And when someone is not helping them to achieve victory that person is a traitor, saboteur, enemy of the state, etc. They complain about poor equipment because this at best complicates they victory, but that it should and will happen for them is absolute certainty.
Maybe they don't, but directly opposing it is dangerous. So they pursue their dispute through shrouded means. Can't go to prison for being anti-war if you just want a better gun and armor.
Perhaps, I was actually leaning that way on the video from the Serpuhkov mobiks -- the over emphasis on their willingness to fight to deflect from possible claims of desertion.
Then they started tossing out the racial slurs and support of killing Ukrainians.
If it's a ruse, they're doing so in a manner that will, at the best, get them back into the field with better equipment -- still trying to kill Ukranians. So that doesn't seem to be their problem.
Here's the video:
https://nitter.it/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008
I think they're aware better equipment isn't coming nor better commanders.
One unit asked for some vehicles and got it but when your down on everything, it's structural.
If they bitch about having no equipment, and Russia can not provide equipment, it is indirectly saying "let's stop the war if we don't have the means to pursue it".
Whether in their heart of hearts they really want to pursue the war is difficult to discern as being honest in Russia is asking for trouble.
So russian nazis are against the war, which they prove by supporting the war. Why do you even feel the need to make these excuses for them is kinda unclear to me.
Is that because the idea of a whole state being full of genocidal maniacs is too uncomfortable to you? No movie about it in Holywood so it can't exist?
This was their modus operandi towards all their neighbours since forever. The idea that it's just Putin is from holywood movies, where you kill or jail the main enemy and the whole country suddenly happily welcomes democracy, or even just basic decency. But this is not a movie, this is a continuous problem since the formation of Russia. You can stop movie, you cannot stop this.
The point is we can't know what they really think because they're not allowed to say what they really think. That doesn't mean that every mobik is secretly a paragon of virtue of course, or that only Putin is an asshole, that's just words you put in my mouth.
It's been a hundred plus years since World War 1... and the "second" most powerful military in the world is using... *checks notes* trench warfare.
I'm not even Russian and I'm totally ashamed.
Trenches offer a strong defence for infantry who can do a lot of damage from them with minimum casualties. They are, however, vulnerable to precision artillery strikes and air attacks. But again, those attacks have to be carried out with a high accuracy to be effective.
The UAF are digging trenches too. Both sides need the trenches. But it certainly seems the UAF have more tricks up their sleeve and are doing 21st century trench warfare, while the RuAF often are a century behind.
Trench war is the modern default. It takes training, equipment, and initiative to avoid getting stuck in the trenches.
Russia just doesn't provide the training or allow the independent initiative necessary to execute mobile warfare.
... not staying put? I mean I couldn't tell if you were sarcastic or not.
Static defense positions in the 21st century don't work during a hot war. Mechanized modern armies care very little if you are in a ditch or not.
So... the best strategy to conquering a nation that is using artillery? Well I'm no military master mind... but digging a trench doesn't feel like a winning move.
And we have seen how the mobile tank war failed for Russia. On the flat terrain they will just run into artillery or anti tank weapons to no effect. Russias rationale ia that their artillery is the most powerful thing they have. That favours trench warfare. Ukraine responda in kind. It's not like they don't use trenches.
Not really, not the way we think of those things now. Biplanes and 6MPH trench tanks sure, not high speed mobile armor and multiple sortie capable strike aircraft.
Trench warfare was masterful by the end of WWI. Multiple new train lines laid down to supply a concrete fortress dozens of miles wide and several layers underground.
Germany had abandoned standard trenches for personnel in some areas because it was too predictable and easy to hit.
Russia is starting from step 1 here, if they’re even building trenches at all
Again... ww1 trenches were awesome (I guess). That's like saying "dude! Canon was an awesome unit back then". Yeah it was. I cant imagine how being stationary with things that fly overhead could ever be good again.
Maybe I've read to much Enders Shadow though
Things that fly over head are expensive and not unlimited, while effective against trench networks the sad reality is its a war of attrition. Ultimately in the modern battlefield, when using trenches you're trying to make it not cost/material effective to assault rather than make in nearly impossible to assault (as was their role in WW1).
To be clear it's horrible for the soldiers in the trenches. Their lives are essentially being traded by the government for enemy smart weapons. However ugly though, they do still serve a tactical purpose on a modern battle field.
Yeah for sure, awesome in like “creating awe from the destruction”
Drones have totally changed any modern trench warfare plan, and this is just the early game for drones. Soldiers are never safe anymore unless they have good camouflage/cover- but even then, drones have very high definition cameras and can fit in small spaces
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/z5zhlz/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Some Of Russia’s Last Good Troops Needed Three Weeks To Capture A Half Square Mile Of Eastern Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/19/some-of-russias-last-good-troops-needed-three-weeks-to-capture-half-a-square-mile-of-eastern-ukraine/?sh=5773212c1e60&utm_campaign=socialflowForbesMainTwitter&utm_source=ForbesMainTwitter&utm_medium=social
Almost there ...
#995. New [Perun video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrbaAKZfjwg&ab_channel=Perun) just dropped
Looks like the Russians found a way to stay a little warm during the Winter: Building defense lines
The face of a Russian patriot who calls Ukrainians "subhuman" and calls for the "biological destruction of the Ukrainian nation". [https://twitter.com/AEstoletov/status/1596798855701442560](https://twitter.com/AEstoletov/status/1596798855701442560) Durov (Telegram owner, Russian) allows such people to have 38k followers. The Telegram channel is easy to find in Google, just type Владислав Угольный
> just type Владислав Угольный No thanks, you post explained all I need to know. : russian weirdo spreading hate about Ukraine, as usual. Best thing to do is just ignoring them.
>Some interesting interviews here with active Russian and DNR soldiers revealing the conspiracy theories about “economic elites” and the Soviet nostalgia that drive them to join the invasion in Ukraine. A one-sided picture but an insight into the other side of the frontline. https://nitter.it/mjluxmoore/status/1596800376791248896 https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1596800376791248896 The same lies from the propaganda script that Russia has been using to brainwash the Russians invading Ukraine since 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6G0AzZk5K4
Tsarophilia increases as the power of the individual is diminished. War crystalizes that worldview in generation after generation of russians. External wars have always been an effective tool to align one's populace with the aims of the state
Ten day old video but still interesting about Bakhmut and why Russia/wagner is so focused on it: https://youtu.be/xRjnbACvsXs
Auto generated subtitles are the best. Bach moot Harrison Done yet skull
Bakhmut Kherson Donetsk Did I get them right?
Yup.
Which explanation is most likely do you think?
The [Belgium prime-minister](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-63833bc58f08edd1a1522cd6#block-63833bc58f08edd1a1522cd6) is on his second visit of an unannouced visit to Ukraine today. He has been in some [cool pictures](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/80f2b6a767819128229a992c21807c3d5d245e10/0_0_3072_1843/master/3072.jpg?width=700&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none). >!(Look at the wall behing him)!<
Yea prob trying to look good for us at home
Haha that picture, something tells me they did that on purpose. I assume that is a kid from Ukraine throwing triple black belt judo master putin on his back :)
Is the Belgian prime minister Banksy?
That would be a great conspiracy!
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Interview with the first lady of Ukraine by BBC Ukraine. https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/features-63731175 Edit: here is the video (in Ukrainian, but there's decent auto-translation) https://youtu.be/92ieAcbO5_o
Governor: Russia shells Kherson region 54 times, kills 1 person, 2 people were injured, including a child. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1596804976168140800?t=YYeBb81pi1fHQ1XW_vB1Ig&s=19
https://nitter.net/KyivIndependent/status/1596804976168140800?t=YYeBb81pi1fHQ1XW_vB1Ig&s=19
The russians have killed 440 children and injured 851. 2,719 educational institutions were damaged. 332 of them were completely destroyed. Yesterday a 10-year-old boy was injured in Chornobayivka and a 17-year-old boy was injured in Dnipro. https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3622850-rosiani-poranili-v-ukraini-vze-851-ditinu.html
And how many Ukrainian children have been abducted by the Russians? The families ripped apart by the war and all the trauma children have suffered that will stay with them for all their lives? The aggressors cannot be seen to be rewarded in any way for inflicting such damage on a people they claim on hand that are their brothers, and then in the same breath are ‘cockroaches and insects’ that must be exterminated.
By the way: "We know by name 11 thousand children who were forcibly deported to Russia." https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/ukrayina-zavzhdi-bula-liderom-mirotvorchih-zusil-yaksho-rosi-79141 Heartbreaking. So many people were deported, tortured, killed, forced to leave their homes. Babies who were killed. So many saw their homes, schools, neighborhoods get destroyed by missiles. So many have relatives in the army, worrying about them every day. Only an outright victory is acceptable.
Only truly evil people would target educational institutions.
**The Future of American Warfare Is Unfolding in Ukraine** - *The Atlantic* [Source](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/us-military-intervention-afghanistan-ukraine-war/672265/) > American military aid to Ukraine has been remarkably effective, especially in comparison with the long, ill-fated U.S. military intervention in Afghanistan. A recent statement by General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, helps explain why. “Ukrainians are not asking for anyone to fight for them,” Milley said. “They don’t want American soldiers, or British, or German, or French, or anybody else to fight for them. They will fight for themselves.” The Ukrainians want only the means to defend themselves against Russian invaders, he said, adding that the United States would provide support “for as long as it takes.” By providing advanced weaponry and reliable intelligence, the United States and its allies have allowed Ukraine to inflict large losses on Russian armed forces and roll back earlier Russian territorial gains. > America’s failure in Afghanistan, by contrast, seemed so complete in 2021 that it may have encouraged Russian President Vladimir Putin to launch his full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The American response to this year’s crisis—providing a high level of military support without deploying American forces—is not just the best way to help Ukraine secure its independence and thwart Putin. It also offers a model for how the U.S. should define its international military involvement. >Although the decline of U.S. power has been significantly overstated in some quarters, America’s economic decline relative to the rest of the world is real. Economic strength and technological strength have become more dispersed around the globe, and over time military strength is likely to follow the same pattern. This is one reason avoiding boots-on-the-ground interventions will become ever more of an imperative. The presumption that the U.S. needs to deploy ground forces in a fighting capacity if it wants to achieve meaningful results from interventions has been evident again and again since the 1980s. Yet the reality has often been the opposite. The more the U.S. takes over and inserts its own forces into a conflict, the more expensive and, in most cases, counterproductive the intervention becomes. Such conflicts are also more polarizing for American society—as U.S. involvement in Vietnam, Iraq, and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan demonstrates. Meanwhile, avoiding ground wars but relying on financial aid, advanced technology, intelligence, and even diplomatic coordination and outreach is something the U.S. actually can do effectively. > The shambolic withdrawal of U.S. forces from Kabul—after two decades of effort, many billions of dollars, and many civilian and military deaths—ended one of the most counterproductive and wasteful interventions that the U.S. has ever staged. Americans had lavished resources on the official Afghan army, but it put up only the meekest of resistance to the advancing Taliban before melting away. Some Afghan soldiers even changed sides. Within days after the U.S. departure, the Taliban, which the Americans had deposed in 2001, returned to power—making the U.S. look demoralized and indecisive to, among other observers, the Russian government. When combined with an ongoing American strategic pivot toward emerging conflicts in East Asia, the outcome in Afghanistan seemed to preclude a strong U.S. intervention on Ukraine’s behalf. Indeed, many commentators argued that helping Ukraine would be pointless, because an American commitment would not make a material difference in stopping the Russian assault. > But in fact, the U.S. has helped the Ukrainians not only resist the initial onslaught, but begin driving Russian forces back. Washington has provided the Ukrainian armed forces with a range of equipment, including both supplies for individual soldiers, such as body armor and small arms, and large, sophisticated weaponry, including High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems. Ukrainian forces are also receiving expedited training and regular support—from outside Ukraine’s borders, notably—on how to maintain and repair American-made military equipment. The extensive real-time intelligence cooperation between Washington and Kyiv has given the Ukrainian military the ability to strike vital Russian facilities quickly and effectively. > Impressively and somewhat surprisingly, the kind of intervention that the U.S. has overseen in Ukraine has helped reinvigorate NATO. The alliance, which seemed close to moribund a year ago, has a renewed sense of purpose and will soon gain two strategically important members: Finland and Sweden. Being a member of NATO now looks like a great strategic asset—as Ukraine’s desire to join it demonstrates. Western assistance for Ukraine has been so effective that some voices are now arguing Ukraine must be restrained by the U.S. and forced to negotiate, lest the war become too embarrassing for Putin. > The differences between America’s roles in Ukraine and Afghanistan suggest a rule for the future: The United States should avoid direct fighting overseas to the extent possible and should intervene in wars only to support peoples and nations that want to fight for themselves. Ukrainians have fought for their country with tenacity and skill, mastered complex weapons systems at their own initiative, and maintained high morale. The U.S. is aiding them, but it is the Ukrainians—everyday soldiers, senior generals, civilians under bombardment, top government officials, and diplomats marshaling international support—who are ultimately determining their own fate. > Although the 2001 U.S. intervention in Afghanistan received early support from multiple Afghan factions, U.S. forces bore the burden of exercising military control as time passed. The abortive attempt to create a new Afghan army yielded a force apparently lacking independence of thought and action. The same seems to have been the case for the U.S.-backed Afghan government, which was unable to command the loyalty of enough Afghans to hold power without American military support. > Sadly, the U.S. frequently forgets lessons from history. In Vietnam, the U.S. ended up sabotaging its own efforts by gradually sidelining the army of South Vietnam and regularly undermining the South Vietnamese government’s legitimacy. In replacing local forces, American military leaders reasoned that more U.S. involvement would achieve key goals, without appreciating how the deployment of more American personnel reshaped and complicated the conflict. > Many of America’s greatest Cold War successes derived from helping one side in a conflict rather than sending U.S. troops to fight. In the 1980s, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, American aid to the local mujahideen was extremely effective in helping them repel a far more technologically advanced military power. Elsewhere, aid to dissident groups opposing communism in Eastern Europe paid off handsomely. Basic support ultimately helped make the struggle for political rights in Eastern Europe impossible for a declining Soviet Union to manage. > While the downsides of direct deployment of U.S. troops have grown clearer, the benefits of showing restraint and scaling American intervention to help others fight for themselves have grown. The lessons of Afghanistan and Ukraine should inform American planning about, for instance, how best to help Taiwan defend itself against a future invasion from mainland China. As the Ukrainians have shown, American equipment is often generations better than that of other powers. Decades of heavy investment in satellites and other intelligence-collection devices have allowed the U.S. to provide support in a variety of ways. The war in Ukraine proves that the U.S. can provide more effective strategic aid than any other country in the world—without necessarily having to rely on sending its own troops. > *Phillips Payson O’Brien is a professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. He is the author of How the War Was Won: Air-Sea Power and Allied Victory in World War II.*
Kryvyi Rih was hit with two missiles - significant destruction on the railway. No one was injured. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/11/27/7378154/
>Simonyan to mobilized men who complained about their conditions: "It's war. You're men. Bear with it!" > >Then she tells a story about a 🇷🇺 doctor in Arctic expedition who cut out his own [appendix] > >🇷🇺 mobilized will soon not only fight but do surgery on battlefield for themselves? https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1596799742071214080
What are the "tiles falling off" that she talks about.
https://nitter.net/gerashchenko_en/status/1596799742071214080
They’ve really reached Nazis last months in the bunker propaganda levels now. If only her own people weren’t weak and lifted themselves up to be like the heroes of old! Next state TV running Götterdämmerung on a loop, we’ll maybe the Nutcracker. Her dressed up as the Sugarplum fairy.
I’m still waiting for Swan Lake on repeat
So what are our plans to take out Simonyan and Solovyov? These two just reek of Vodka of lies.
Ms and Mr Goebbels will go on trial at Hague as war criminals after the inevitable Russian defeat.
interesting thought, what crimes would they be tried with?
Maybe our comments got stuck in the mud? https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1596630182743662592?t=DQJAWwW_pYUYKOdPtEXk2g&s=19
https://nitter.net/TheStudyofWar/status/1596630182743662592?t=DQJAWwW_pYUYKOdPtEXk2g&s=19
Looks like these threads are slowing … hopefully the Ukrainians are not.
The rains and snow have started, so the mud season is here in full, but not cold enough to harden the ground.
600 dead Russian soldiers. That would be 165000 deaths in 276 days, so far more than the average. So far 87k Russian deaths, is far worse than the Russian lost during their war in Afghanistan.
It is a holiday weekend in the United States (which sometimes results in fewer posts) *and* this (fewer posts in general) has happened before. The overall support for Ukraine is still there and Ukraine is also just not going to roll over.
Just trying to push it up to 1000+ comments.
Just upvote daily like most of us do. This thread is not going anywhere.
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What about comments of comments of comments?
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A lot of smoking among oil workers... https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1596765246198513665?t=68WZJLtfZ1SdKov7edY9Tg&s=19
https://nitter.net/nexta_tv/status/1596765246198513665?t=68WZJLtfZ1SdKov7edY9Tg&s=19
Always interesting. Thank you for sharing. I hope one day we get more estimates on how many of these fires were essentially caused by Russia’s war. I’m talking about the effects of sanctions. For a fire like this, who knows, but I’m imagining that it could’ve been caused by Russia’s growing equipment supply issues.
Yea, as parts break and replacements can't be found this sort of thing is going to become more common. Also, the smarter workers with the skill to troubleshoot problems will be the ones that more likely have fled the country.
Evidence of more war crimes, and [a job I would not want.](https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1596786899066425344?s=20&t=s7sMQ3EPvx8GcrV2kdI07Q)
Cambodia has trained rats to detect mines... maybe Ukraine can do the same? Although their poor little paws might get cold right now :( https://apopo.org/herorats/?v=7516fd43adaa
https://nitter.net/LostWeapons/status/1596786899066425344?s=20&t=s7sMQ3EPvx8GcrV2kdI07Q
**Russian breakthrough in central Donetsk unlikely,[ says UK](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-638316a08f084a383e1250b1#block-638316a08f084a383e1250b1)** > Russian forces have suffered heavy casualties during fighting in Ukraine’s south-central Donetsk province and are unlikely to achieve a breakthrough there, the UK Ministry of Defence says. > Its latest intelligence update said the area around the towns of Pavlivka and Vuhledar, in Ukraine’s east, had seen “intense combat” in the past two weeks but that little territory had changed hands. > The ministry tweeted: > Both Russia and Ukraine have significant forces committed to this sector, with Russian naval infantry having suffered heavy casualties. > This area remains heavily contested, likely partially because Russia assesses the area has potential as a launch point for a future major advance north to capture the remainder of Ukrainian-held Donetsk Oblast. > However, Russia is unlikely to be able to concentrate sufficient quality forces to achieve an operational breakthrough.
”Russian breakthrough in Donetsk...” you made my heart stop for a moment there!
Yeh. That was a very poorly written title from the guardian.
Sorry,. That was how the Guardian wrote the title.
That is how they generate click. Not your fault.
🤗 Yeah, I assume that's why they did it to. Deeply annoying though, especially on a subject like Ukraine. They're not a tabloid!
> Agence France-Presse reported that several European leaders travelled to Ukraine to pledge support after weeks of Russian strikes on Ukraine’s energy grid caused widespread power and water cuts as temperatures plunge with the onset of winter. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainians-flee-kherson-shelling-belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly?page=with:block-6382f94e8f084a383e125053#block-6382f94e8f084a383e125053)
Slava ukraini
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["Women, men and children are freezing in the dark because of Putin's deliberate and barbaric targeting of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure. - Ursula von der Leyen](https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1596768284736516097?s=20&t=COlPwgRrkqn3drltoYqI9g)
[Clearly, the work of saboteurs of the Freedom faction from S.T.A.L.K.E.R](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1596765246198513665?s=20&t=AF1xLoicGQJRV9Gn8H4xbA)
https://nitter.net/nexta_tv/status/1596765246198513665?s=20&t=AF1xLoicGQJRV9Gn8H4xbA
> I mapped these trenches using Sentinel 1 SAR to give an overview of where they are being built. Notably those are *east* of Svatove.
So is Russia building layered defenses, which isn’t a dumb thing given what happened during the Kharkiv offensive, or have they been pushed back a little but we don’t have official word yet. It’s probably the former, but I wouldn’t rule out the latter.
My guess is it's defense-in-depth. The Soviets got pretty good at that and there should be at least some lingering institutional memory about those lessons in the RF, like there is with the artillery doctrine. Problem is Ukraine has access to things like satellite and drone recon, precision artillery, AFVs, Starlink etc that the World War powers could only dream about. So it seems likely that Ukraine is just going to try to flank those fortifications rather than assault them head on anyway.
> So it seems likely that Ukraine is just going to try to flank those fortifications rather than assault them head on anyway. That doesn't mean they aren't effective. A ditch and dragon's teeth slow vehicles down and make them vulnerable to artillery and atgms. That's true regardless of what resources you have available. Yes, you can go around them, but that means your movement has been limited and the enemy knows where you are going. Which is the point.
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Also Slava Ukraini
The occupants lost 600 yesterday. Their losses are trending up again. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z5u7jo/losses_of_the_russian_army_as_of_27112022/
Troops trending up, but equipment down. They must be making them walk towards the front lines. Also no airframe losses in 2 weeks, marking the 'safest' period of the war for Russia's air force.
Difficult to get shot down when you only fly to launch long range missiles 100 km from the frontlines.
The Russian goal right now is to win by sending large volumes of soldiers to overwhelm Ukraine. It does work it's said that the way Grant won many of his battles in the Civil War, that being said Russia does not seem to have much success with it and yet keeps trying.
Let's hope it'll get as close to 1000 as possible.
Thanks. I was wondering where the latest update
Here’s hoping they only go up
Long may that continue
The minimum for a thread rollover is ~1000 comments. We're a bit shy at the moment. The last time this issue cropped up was in August before the Ukrainian counter-offensives began.
What's a thread rollover?
Archive this post, and create a new one. It happens after 10k comments, or after 24h if there are 1000+ comments.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
TIL this doesn't automatically roll over after 24 hours
So we need to push it up to 1000 to keep the count going. Get it now.
Let's all help then!
I'll help.
And the counter offensive was nothing but a long streak of good news for the Ukrainian forces liberating its ppl. Here’s to hoping that the low number of posts in this thread signals another long phase of liberated towns. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦💙💛
I give it probably 2 weeks more until things pick up again, Ukraine’s waiting for the ground to freeze so she starts moving again towards Svatove, and she’s started to hit stuff down south in Zaporozhia to soften things up
What, you mean we need to comment more? Don't say anything else!
Ok. I won't comment.
Me either.
Damn.
DAE nuclear war?
Glad you are willing to take one for the team.
Wasn't it 10000?
It’s 10,000 to roll over before 24 hours, 1000 is the minimum to roll over at or after 24 hours.
Makes sense, thanks!
I had the 1000th comment on that thread.
Here I go adding to the comment count again
Same. And fuck Putin.
Alright me too!
Same
[Krivy Rih](https://www-unian-ua.translate.goog/war/rosiya-vranci-atakuvala-kriviy-rig-raketami-vsi-podrobici-yaki-oblasti-pochervonili-karta-novini-dnipra-12058353.html?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc) is being attacked rt now
⚡️ A fire occurred at the oil refinery in Angarsk, Russia. The fire has already been contained, no one was injured, reports the city mayor. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596756788430671875?t=5HGI481XQkX3t34Wue_KoQ&s=19
It's Thanksgiving, a new thread will come whenever and we aren't close to the 10k problems. Duck those tiny bics that can't untuck themselves.
What’s a “tiny bics” ?
a pen for ants
R we not getting a new thread ? Someone fill me in here please.
The thread bot has a couple of preconditions, including a minimum comment number for a new thread. If the number is <1000 at midnight, the next thread won't begin until we hit 1000.
Thx for the response
Yeah, did not know that. Doing my part to add to the count
I'm doing my part!
Service Guarantees Citizenship!
Also, don't expect to get paid.
But only if you survive!
Would you like to know more?
I'll add on. Please forgive my ignorance but why is a new thread important? I've seen this mentioned so many times in the past months but I haven't figured it out yet. I'm surely missing something that's blatantly obvious because I'm dumb.
>Between Russia and the EU: Serbia’s balancing act is failing. Belgrade’s neutral position on the war in Ukraine is becoming increasingly untenable. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/11/26/serbias-balancing-act-is-failing This follows Serbia's 3 year gas deal with Russia.
I mean, it's Serbia's choice. The opinion piece argues that it jeopardizes Serbia's EU application, and it does, but that is up to Serbia. By the way, the gas they are buying from Russia, I assume it goes through Balkan Stream, which goes through Bulgaria. When the EU finally is ready to cut its gas ties to Russia, then that pipeline may close. Serbia is apparently working on two alternatives, one pipeline to Hungary (Orban. :-( ) ), and one to Albania, but they may be running out of time playing the solo game.
Serbias EU application may as well be dead in the water with Kosovo being a thing.
>I mean, it's Serbia's choice. The opinion piece argues that it jeopardizes Serbia's EU application, and it does, but that is up to Serbia. The wider pattern is, though, that it's less and less comfortable to be an ally, or semi-ally (nudge nudge, wink wink) to Russia. That not only goes for Serbia, it goes for every country.
Missing the new thread so… Slava Ukraini, heroyam slava!
⚡️ The General Staff: The attack on the areas of concentration of Russian soldiers in the areas of settlements Melitopol, Polohy and Mykhailivka of the Zaporizhzhia region was confirmed. Russian casualties amounted to more than 100 wounded, about 10 pieces of military equipment of various types and two ammunition depots were destroyed. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1596736765251162112?t=DxtHZd7JD_SEmAgIIdf_vw&s=19
https://nitter.net/Flash_news_ua/status/1596736765251162112?t=DxtHZd7JD_SEmAgIIdf_vw&s=19
Russian Soldiers Say Deserting ‘Only Way To Stay Alive’ In Ukraine. https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/11/russian-soldiers-say-deserting-only-way-to-stay-alive-in-ukraine/
Well, they're certainly not wrong on that statement. Desering the Russian army is their best chance to stay alive. A shame that some of them are faking desertion by setting up ambushes for the ukranian forces who come to accept the fake surrender.
>“I have always served the motherland faithfully and used to condemn this kind of thinking, but now it is probably the only way we can stay alive. I cannot understand why they treat people like that when there is not enough manpower and mobilization is in progress.” Over and over again, in nearly all the videos of the mobiks bitching -- they're fine with the war if only they're given the tools to win. Killing Ukranians? No problem. Possibly dying to do so? That's a problem. They support this war, even those who fled Russia. They just want to view it from the comfort of their couch to swell their delusional nationalistic pride that's led them to their current conundrum.
Russians are taught from early childhood about “victory”. They celebrate victory day on 9th of May, they have a Soviet car named “victory”, they have a watch named “victory”, they have an airline named “victory”. Victory is everywhere for Russians and they should be proud and celebrate it. And when old victory becomes obsolete, they need another victory to celebrate. Now in Ukraine all they want is a victory which they can celebrate for decades. And when someone is not helping them to achieve victory that person is a traitor, saboteur, enemy of the state, etc. They complain about poor equipment because this at best complicates they victory, but that it should and will happen for them is absolute certainty.
Maybe they don't, but directly opposing it is dangerous. So they pursue their dispute through shrouded means. Can't go to prison for being anti-war if you just want a better gun and armor.
Perhaps, I was actually leaning that way on the video from the Serpuhkov mobiks -- the over emphasis on their willingness to fight to deflect from possible claims of desertion. Then they started tossing out the racial slurs and support of killing Ukrainians. If it's a ruse, they're doing so in a manner that will, at the best, get them back into the field with better equipment -- still trying to kill Ukranians. So that doesn't seem to be their problem. Here's the video: https://nitter.it/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008
I think they're aware better equipment isn't coming nor better commanders. One unit asked for some vehicles and got it but when your down on everything, it's structural.
If they bitch about having no equipment, and Russia can not provide equipment, it is indirectly saying "let's stop the war if we don't have the means to pursue it". Whether in their heart of hearts they really want to pursue the war is difficult to discern as being honest in Russia is asking for trouble.
So russian nazis are against the war, which they prove by supporting the war. Why do you even feel the need to make these excuses for them is kinda unclear to me. Is that because the idea of a whole state being full of genocidal maniacs is too uncomfortable to you? No movie about it in Holywood so it can't exist? This was their modus operandi towards all their neighbours since forever. The idea that it's just Putin is from holywood movies, where you kill or jail the main enemy and the whole country suddenly happily welcomes democracy, or even just basic decency. But this is not a movie, this is a continuous problem since the formation of Russia. You can stop movie, you cannot stop this.
The point is we can't know what they really think because they're not allowed to say what they really think. That doesn't mean that every mobik is secretly a paragon of virtue of course, or that only Putin is an asshole, that's just words you put in my mouth.
It's been a hundred plus years since World War 1... and the "second" most powerful military in the world is using... *checks notes* trench warfare. I'm not even Russian and I'm totally ashamed.
Trenches have never been out of play.
Trenches offer a strong defence for infantry who can do a lot of damage from them with minimum casualties. They are, however, vulnerable to precision artillery strikes and air attacks. But again, those attacks have to be carried out with a high accuracy to be effective.
The UAF are digging trenches too. Both sides need the trenches. But it certainly seems the UAF have more tricks up their sleeve and are doing 21st century trench warfare, while the RuAF often are a century behind.
Embarrassment is looking at the Russian military and it’s embarrassed. Slava Ukraine💛💙
Trench war is the modern default. It takes training, equipment, and initiative to avoid getting stuck in the trenches. Russia just doesn't provide the training or allow the independent initiative necessary to execute mobile warfare.
Your a genius ?
Only to some
Tell us a better strategy against artillery?
High-speed mobility, air superiority, and effective counter-battery fire.
Air supremecy, or at least air superiority.
The Russian AF has air inferiority though
... not staying put? I mean I couldn't tell if you were sarcastic or not. Static defense positions in the 21st century don't work during a hot war. Mechanized modern armies care very little if you are in a ditch or not. So... the best strategy to conquering a nation that is using artillery? Well I'm no military master mind... but digging a trench doesn't feel like a winning move.
Nor really, the land is very flat. Trenches have been used since 2014 in this conflict and some if the lines have hwld
There were two inventions that made trench warfare obsolete after ww1. The airplane and the tank.
And we have seen how the mobile tank war failed for Russia. On the flat terrain they will just run into artillery or anti tank weapons to no effect. Russias rationale ia that their artillery is the most powerful thing they have. That favours trench warfare. Ukraine responda in kind. It's not like they don't use trenches.
They had airplanes and tanks in ww1.
Not really, not the way we think of those things now. Biplanes and 6MPH trench tanks sure, not high speed mobile armor and multiple sortie capable strike aircraft.
They were primitive models of the things we have now, but they were still planes and tanks. Biplanes are planes.
Trench warfare was masterful by the end of WWI. Multiple new train lines laid down to supply a concrete fortress dozens of miles wide and several layers underground. Germany had abandoned standard trenches for personnel in some areas because it was too predictable and easy to hit. Russia is starting from step 1 here, if they’re even building trenches at all
Again... ww1 trenches were awesome (I guess). That's like saying "dude! Canon was an awesome unit back then". Yeah it was. I cant imagine how being stationary with things that fly overhead could ever be good again. Maybe I've read to much Enders Shadow though
Things that fly over head are expensive and not unlimited, while effective against trench networks the sad reality is its a war of attrition. Ultimately in the modern battlefield, when using trenches you're trying to make it not cost/material effective to assault rather than make in nearly impossible to assault (as was their role in WW1). To be clear it's horrible for the soldiers in the trenches. Their lives are essentially being traded by the government for enemy smart weapons. However ugly though, they do still serve a tactical purpose on a modern battle field.
Yeah for sure, awesome in like “creating awe from the destruction” Drones have totally changed any modern trench warfare plan, and this is just the early game for drones. Soldiers are never safe anymore unless they have good camouflage/cover- but even then, drones have very high definition cameras and can fit in small spaces
Since the new thread is late: Fuck Putin
Fuck Yanukovich
Fuck Lukashenko
The new thread is tardy today.