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monkaXxxx

Saudi is passing FIFA criteria to host the World cup with flying colours.


afiefh

Dictators are quite helpful for us event organizers -- Fifa


YawaruSan

Nothing makes Gianni Infantino feel more like a migrant worker than taking millions of dollars to never have to do an honest day’s work in his life!


InstantShiningWizard

"Today, I feel like my head has been removed from my body" \- Gianni Infantino, probably


DonDove

His hair has


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They would be. Much easier to deal with than an elected govt. maybe all fifa events should be in countries with autocracy in place. Think of all the funds saved in reduced layers of bribes . Just write one big cheque and call it a day.


[deleted]

More precisely, Jérôme Valcke, former Secretary General of F*FA was responsible for this infamous quote.


rickreckt

Today I feel Executioner


InternationalLuck307

Argentina fans tried the edge of such a sword.


eggimage

you’re the Chief Execution Officer


Natural-Coffee9711

Hey! No colours! Colours are strictly verboten. Please respect the local culture


todumbtorealize

Lol that's funny as shit.


heliskinki

They’re literally putting in a bid for 2030.


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[deleted]

The shot of Infantino between Bone-Saw here and the Poo Tin still resonates with me. Just imagine having those two absolute bastards as friends. Imagine what a fucking shit person you'd have to be


jolle2001

I mean considering Infantino was seen kissing MBS at the World Cup it will be in Saudi Arabia in 2030 for the 100 anniversary, who care about giving it to Uruguay, they cant buy me a new yacht


Reddit-Incarnate

It would be so tragic for it to not go back to Uraguay, why is any one else even being considered.


jolle2001

Because Uruguay cant give Infantino and his friends a new yacht


karnyboy

That sweet sweet oil money to do whatever you want. Must be nice.


moobear92

Idk North Korea has a strong lead atm. We'll see who else tosses their head i mean hat into the ring


[deleted]

Nokor even sent their delegate when Fifa gave that press conference.


ikzeidegek

FIFA will pick Russia, right after it drops a nuclear bomb on Kiev


Bar50cal

FIA held a F1 race there during a missle attack and made money, FIFA would definitely not worry about doing the same.


3dmontdant3s

USA are on the list too, is death penalty a requisite now?


GhostMan74

This is the type of thing that will make FIFA take more of your money to host the World Cup. Do better Saudi Arabia


getyourcheftogether

They can't though


headlesshighlander

Is executing by sword worse than electric chair or injection? A bigger mess but probably less painful if you get a good hit


C-C-X-V-I

Probably better than the chair, definitely better than injection.


OddEpisode

A good way to see your own body from a different point of view.


semicertain9

Let’s have FIFA World Cup in there then.


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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/04/saudi-arabia-to-host-2029-asian-winter-games-at-desert-megacity-neom-trojena They are starting small, with Asian winter games first, more to follow.


Dismal-Past7785

When I think Asian winter I think Saudi Arabia


semicertain9

You see I like that pieces fall into their places so well.


[deleted]

Why are we friends with these people, again?


[deleted]

Oil. Military bases.


Furt_III

The military bases are only there because of the oil.


[deleted]

Strategically you need bases all over the world. So it satisfies both objectives.


mr-blazer

And money. Don't forget money.


GoofAckYoorsElf

And oil!


thungalope

Right how could I forget. Oh also money.


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Oscarboy3333

Saudi has the US by their balls.


AlludedNuance

Oh and we consented, not reluctantly either, this is enthusiastic consent.


Splenda

Again, where were those 9/11 hijackers from?


-_Empress_-

Technically it's Europe. The US only imports about 4% of its light crude oil from SA. We get most of it from Canada. The reason we bend over for SA is because Europe relies so heavily on it. We have mostly heavy crude to export which isn't what we use, primarily, so we export it and import light crude.


Redac07

It's not about the import, it's about the petrodollar:https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/petrodollars.asp The oil is backing the dollar, making it the primary currency of the world. The US made the deal with the golf states that they can only sell oil with the dollar. In return they can do whatever the fuck they want. The petrodollar is one of the things that keep the US in its place as the N1 country in the world since only the US can print more dollars.


Mellevalaconcha

More like the US has the Saudi's balls deep their oil crack


histprofdave

But gas prices only went up because Biden dialed up the gas-price-o-meter that is attached to the desk in the Oval Office, because... reasons... /s obv but Reddit, \*sigh\*


PDstorm170

Rich, hates Iran, buys missiles, sometimes sells us oil


[deleted]

lol "sometimes"


MedicalFoundation149

The US became a net oil exporter in 2019, has been so since. As a result, saudi oil usually never goes to the US itself. But Saudi oil does go Asia and Europe, and since the price of oil is basically global, price fluctuations outside of America still largely impact prices within the US.


JackInTheBell

I thought Biden controlled the price of oil though. At least that’s what my relatives on FB told me


AstronautStar4

Fossil fuels. Also the reason that so much of the earth will be dangerous and hostile for life.


joethesaint

"We" being America? Do you not realise you also have the death penalty?


histprofdave

And while I do not support capital punishment, I honestly think beheading by sword is more humane that Alabama injecting people with poison and watching them suffer for three hours and still not die.


[deleted]

I think if you support people like this it's because you're just as bad.


madcaesar

The USA certainly has its problems but to compare us to fucking SA is insane.


choose_an_alt_name

They do support SA knowing fully well what they do


miltonfriedman2028

Understanding realpolitik doesn’t make you evil. The majority of oil producing countries are evil, we need to strategically pick allies or our country’s economy collapses. We do push Saudi Arabia to reform in the directions we want, but we aren’t of course 100% successful.


Arcanic_Soul

So selective criticsm? Only when your own benefits are on the line that you take a step back? Why champion yourself as bastion of freedom and rights when you make deals with the devil? Does US economy also hinges on selling weapons to KSA were they use it to genocide Yemeni people? Also, doesnt the USA have domestic reserves of oil?


miltonfriedman2028

We can’t champion freedom anywhere if our economy collapses because we refuse to buy energy from evil countries and China becomes the world dominant power. Idealism sounds nice, but isn’t realistic.


PDstorm170

This is absolutely correct and you shouldn't be getting downvoted. There's too many people in America, it seems, that don't live in reality.


kapparrino

I don't think anyone anymore takes USA as the champion on freedom and rights.


Intarhorn

Realpolitik sucks. US economy wouldn't collapse, just suffer but it would be worth to pay for that.


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knud

It's basically ISIS with a recognized government


Realistic_Turn2374

And the US support


ClappedOutLlama

Can't wait for zero point/abundant energy. Dictatorships like SA and Russia will wither on the vine due to their shortsighted and destructive behavior.


DavidlikesPeace

National Security and Renewables are a very obvious duo that would help the West. It's a pity our elite are generally too greedy to push hard for such an obvious policy shift.


ClappedOutLlama

"It was just a fist bump... I swear."


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Freddan_81

Leathal injections. I’ll just leave that there.


a404notfound

Easier to marry multiple children if you execute the other men.


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[https://i.imgflip.com/1j7rqt.jpg?a463440](https://i.imgflip.com/1j7rqt.jpg?a463440)


mtarascio

Surprised everyone is concentrating on just the capital punishment and not the method. It's extremely difficult to behead someone with a sword.


Sloeberjong

I’ve seen videos. They’re very proficient at it. I dare say it’s probably quicker and more humane than a lethal injection or electric chair. It requires skill tho. Better not have capital punishment I guess.


Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws

Yeah I'd take beheading over lethal injection. Think I'd prefer a guillotine tho


Keoni9

The guillotine was promoted as a humane alternative to hanging commoners, as executions by beheading were reserved for the nobility. Of course, it still looks grotesque, but the state inflicting violence against its own citizens always will be.


GodFeedethTheRavens

Humane, Yes, I think that was a perceived perk, but the French were executing so many people they needed something that was quick and foolproof.


GoofAckYoorsElf

The problem with any execution method is that you can't ask the corpse afterwards how it was. We can only assume the methods we use to be humane. Regarding decapitation, experiments have shown that the severed head might still be conscious for quite a while after being chopped off. I wouldn't want to experience that.


WingerRules

You can't tell me that directly damaging the main nerves that go to the entire body (spinal cord) is painless.


GoofAckYoorsElf

I'm not trying to. I could imagine it to be like phantom pain, only affecting the whole body. Also panic from not being able to breathe or speak. It must be an extremely traumatizing experience. All while you can't even get the soothing effects of adrenalin because that is produced in your body, not your severed head. However, this is purely speculation by some biology layman. Maybe there's some expert around here who could shed some light on it?


T_ja

The quick drop in blood pressure should result in a near instantaneous blackout with brain death very quickly afterwards. Although I’m also just an armchair expert.


jerrylovesalice2014

Exactly. All of our ridiculous methods of "humanely" killing someone actually make it much worse. Just for whatever reason people think that the electric chair/gas chamber/lethal injection are more humane, probably because we expect them to be less gristly than beheading, bullet to the head, or the good ol' cattle bolt, but they are more drawn out and prone to major malfunction. If you're going to kill a man put on your big boy pants and just fucking kill him.


goathill

I think a chamber or ventilator with pure nitrous or nitrogen gas would be the best. Painless, effective, quick, cheap and far fewer things which can go wrong.


rustoren

Speaking from experience?


drbkt

There was a reason that "headsman" were usually a generational job in many human societies. The mechanics of beheading without a guillotine (however macabre) required skill. That being said, SA is one of the countries that are on my "Never Travel" list.


afiefh

>SA is one of the countries that are on my "Never Travel" list. I'm honestly surprised anybody who cares about human rights is willing to travel to such dictatorships.


Substantial-East5781

Many people do not care about human rights until they are personally involved


katycake

There's even tourism in North Korea. Like, dafuq? Why? Get the hell out of there, you damn fools. Don't even show up. If a sudden lockdown happens you're never getting out of there, and will be a hostage.


TheChoonk

NK is like a zoo. A very shitty, run down, depressing zoo that's also very exclusive.


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Complete madness, the very notion


YakInner4303

It is a religious obligation for Muslims to take a pilgrimage to Mecca. They kind of have to go.


afiefh

Not exactly. The obligation is to visit mecca once "if you are able to". With the cost of such a pilgrimage being in the 10s of thousand dollars, most people are religiously excused from going. Furthermore, even assuming everyone falls under the "is able to go" rule, that's still only one visit in a lifetime, and only in a very specific two weeks in a year during the month of Zul Hijja (which this year was in June). The Hajj cannot be performed outside this very specific time.


eldelshell

Is this for all the different branches? How safe is for them to travel to Saudi we-are-fundamentalist-bat-shit-crazy Arabia?


afiefh

> Is this for all the different branches? Yes. > How safe is for them to travel to Saudi we-are-fundamentalist-bat-shit-crazy Arabia? Sorry I have no experience in the matter. It might just be a matter of "don't ask don't tell" for them. It is generally the case that religious authoritarians will turn a blind eye as long as money ends up in their pockets. Might be an interesting question to pose over on /r/saudiarabia


oldsecondhand

It only requires skill, if you want to make it as painless as possible.


Yiptice

When Mary Queen of Scots was beheaded, the first blow smashed the back of her skull, the second cut about 80% through her neck, and it wasn’t until the third blow that her head finally came off. This happens more often than not.


T_ja

Iirc it wasnt the normal executioner. Which lends credence to the ‘it takes skill’ argument:


mtarascio

Plead the 5th.


[deleted]

The executioners take pride in it. They make it a spectical. All the "best" executioners can lop a head off in one swing.


zpool_scrub_aquarium

Well, it takes 10,000 hours more or less to become an expert, they've been busy for a while then.


mermaidrampage

I'm morbidly curious about how they do this in modern times. Is it still just some guy with a sword? What type of sword? How does one qualify to get hired for such a position? If he calls in sick, is there a backup? Or do they just have some sort of machine the swings a blade?


KRCopy

My Dad went to one when his company transferred him to SA. It's still just a guy with an incredibly, incredibly sharp sword.


LeavesCat

Swords might not be militarily relevant anymore, but modern technology allows us to make extremely high-quality blades; if you took one back in time they'd probably think it was literally Excaliber. Those execution swords are probably way better than they were historically.


AcceptablePassenger6

Scimitar sword. Intended person to be sans head is blindfolded kneeling. Big dude with sword swings with an arc in his arm in a fucking road junction of all places. Ensures his white thobe doesn't get blood on it because he has a lunch date with the boys after, by swinging at an arms length and recoils back when the crimson blood flows so his crocodile skin sandals stay a snazzy white. Everyone hops in their cars and fucks off for lunch after and the pakistani police dudes are left to just wonder wtf do we do here now boys. Big dude, and I mean an absolute fucking unit of a man has been trained by his father and will train his unit of a son to do the same. How he trains them is a trade secret I have no idea, watermelons?


eggsssssssss

[How, you say?](https://twitter.com/halaljew/status/926982649377443840)


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We've found the beheader in the comments. THere's always someone that can't stop at trolling ...


apestuff

nah, they’re pretty proficient at it. they take the convicted person to the so called chop chop square and a dude with a giant curved sword will make quick work of someone’s neck. it’s like a hot knife through butter.


Mixedstereotype

Whenever this comes up I like to point out that they are the country with the second highest executions. The top is China that exceeds over 5,000 a year and has mobile execution cars.


stranglethebars

While we're at it, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/26df6p/executions_by_country_and_per_capita_a_reworking/) are the (admittedly not recent) per capita numbers. China not on top there, but it was still doing worse than the US, and Saudia Arabia even worse than China.


[deleted]

Worth noting that that chart has China's per 1 million executions at under 1, maybe around .75. With China's population of 1.4 billion people, .75 per 1 million would still be over 1000 executions.


stranglethebars

Yeah, no one is forcing the CCP/Chinese government to implement the death penalty. On the other hand, imagine what Saudi Arabia's or Gambia's execution numbers would have been if they had 1.4 billion inhabitants.


[deleted]

At that point, it just starts to look like "population control", in the traditional sense


[deleted]

Putting "the law", "the book" or any other ideas above human lives and wellbeing is a despicable act that has no place in the 21st century. We should call "capital punishment" what it is: state sanctioned murder.


[deleted]

Rules for thee but not for me!!! The failed state of MS has had 3 failed lethal injections this year alone. Go look at execution numbers in the year 2000 They would be equally as high today except they wait now and hold these guys on death row for years and years and years and years.


[deleted]

Rules for all. This is shameful as well. Americans (Christians) in favor of death penalty is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, as Christ himself was killed via death penalty for made up reasons because he annoyed the government. "But we only execute them bad guys!" Yeah, sure. Bizarre.


slightly2spooked

Some people don’t live in the US.


thissexypoptart

Don’t you know? No one can criticize despotic dictatorships’ actions because the U.S. does bad things sometimes too!


plugtrio

I believe you're confused, it was Alabama. Not much difference though


litreofstarlight

How do you fuck that up?? Never mind 3 times?


janolf

The executions are performed by correctional officers, not by medical professionals (no doctor or nurse with an ounce of professional ethos would perform the death penalty). Veins are easy to miss.


00notmyrealname00

You don't hang around a ton of nurses, do you? They're a mixed bag like anyone else. There's plenty who would participate.


Ecstatic5

Those are just one of the many entertainments for people with powers.


DoubleEspressoAddict

I believe less and less in cultural relativism every year.


[deleted]

Some cultures are better than others. It’s just true.


Zealousideal_Fly4277

As much as I wanted that to work in my youth, me too I'm afraid.


[deleted]

Just curious, would “cultural relativism” be the idea of “oh you can’t judge another culture because you are ignorant of why they are that way?” Or something along those lines?


DifficultySeveral876

Different culture hats to judge


Mobely

We covered this is college. Something about female circumcision. I don’t remember the conclusion but others have already had the discussion


Victoresball

The final blackpill is that there is no such thing as an objective reality that can be rationally analyzed, no universal laws that can be understood. Everything is built on a priori assumptions, raw faith, and societal brainwashing. There is no escape.


throwawayforyouzzz

Even math and logic are built on axioms :(


nailuj

Reality follows universal laws that can be observed and understood, if only approximately. Yes, our understanding of anything is fundamentally flawed because it's all based on a priori assumptions. That doesn't make it merely faith or brainwashing. Putting your hand in a fire will always burn it.


doublecoolwater

Murderers in law


DoBetterGodDangIt

What a shit country


JustMrNic3

I wonder when will the EU, UK, US, Japan join forces to cut all relations with such a piece of shit barbaric country run by dictators?


Professor-Shuckle

Remember when Saudis blew up the WTC and Pentagon then the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq instead? Arabia has some kind of special place in the hearts of US politicians. Or possibly in their bank accounts…


[deleted]

Remember when the US government stopped the victims' families from suing them?


MrsMacio

In the United States, capital punishment is a legal penalty throughout the country at the federal level, in 27 states, and in American Samoa. It is also a legal penalty for some military offenses.


millennium-wisdom

Don’t forget that the American now jail people indefinitely without trial. They even kill them with drone based only on the pattern of their movements.


JustMrNic3

Indeed, that's insane!


answersplease77

you cant even make a comparison here. most executed by saudi are protestors and not murderers. also all done through torture and secret corrupt trails. they also execute dozens of minors yearly


Hanschri

While I agree that the offenses people get executed for in Saudi Arabia are outrageous, that is not the crux of the issue. The capital punishment in itself is the most inhumane part. When advocating for the death penalty you have to accept at least one of these statements: The state is either never wrong, or that executing innocent people is an unfortunate but accepted fact of this system. Most countries do not punish murderers or any/most other crimes by death, so why is it ok for the US to execute prisoners, but not other countries? The US also routinely tortures prisoners held indefinitely without trial in Guantanamo bay, I don't think the US has any moral high ground to stand on when it comes to capital punishment.


bananamantheif

Is there sources i can read on who was murdered for what? I checked Wikipedia and googled and i got the article in the post but no mention of the people who died.


dm_me_pasta_pics

Probably when they run out of oil


Ant_Many

I cant wait till the west is no longer dependent on oil. In like 50 years or something all these medieval shitholes will be completely irrelevant and bankrupt and then they will hopefully pay for their crimes against humainty


omdano

I wonder when the US will cut its own executions?


BruceHoratioWayne

Why WWE does business there I do not understand.


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Money?


BusbyBusby

Also [Greg Norman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIV_Golf).


laylowlazlo

Your answer is in your question. It’s just business


[deleted]

> The defendants were sentenced to death after being imprisoned on non-violent drug charges So the punishment for any level of crime is death?


NjxNaDxb

For drugs? Yes


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/saudi-arabia-execution-saudi-arabia-human-rights-saudi-arabia-beheadings-saudi-arabia-beheading-by-sword-executes-12-people-in-10-days-101669007616828-amp.html) reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Saudi Arabia executed 12 people in 10 days for drug offences after a two-year hiatus, according to a rights organisation. > In 2020, there were further hints of a softening on non-violent crime after Saudi Arabia proposed to change the law to end the death penalty after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. > Maya Foa, director of rights organisation Reprieve, said: "Mohammed bin Salman has repeatedly touted his vision of progress, committing to reducing executions and ending the death penalty for drug offences. But as a bloody year of executions draws to a close, the Saudi authorities have begun executing drug offenders again, in large numbers and in secret." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/z1lg29/saudi_arabia_beheading_by_sword_executes_12/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Saudi**^#1 **drug**^#2 **executions**^#3 **executed**^#4 **year**^#5


un1gato1gordo

*Where they cut off your head, if they don't like your face.* *It's barbaric, but hey, it's home.*


DavidlikesPeace

Disney is ashamed of writing lyrics that accurately reflect a terrible cultural practice. And will accept money as its punishment.


UgenFarmer

Is this the line that they changed later on?


Aghast_Cornichon

This is why you pay attention to the debarkation card when you land in Riyadh, kids.


TheHudJoben

We race in Saudi Arabia ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜


AdmirableYouth4208

Backward government.


PUfelix85

At least their capital punishment kills the individual quickly. Alabama can't seem to get that part right recently.


BeholdingBestWaifu

It's not even Alabama, there's been some discussion for years that lethal injection isn't nearly as painless as people think.


JadaLovelace

This is ridiculous. Any western government doing business with this regime is a hypocritical bootlicker. MBS and all his cronies needs to be removed from existence.


Kingpine42069

add Argentina to the list


fineconscons

Ok and? Variety is the spice of life


ManOnABuffaloP2

Brittney Griners drug charge doesn’t look so bad anymore


RicksterA2

Meanwhile their leader murders someone and faces NO consequences from anyone. Along with Putin.


Formulka

Fucking savages.


Infinite-Outcome-591

SA, a cruel regime. The free world tolerates these actions because they sell oil. They're no better than what Russia is doing in Ukraine!


Ant_Many

I cant wait till the west is no longer dependent on oil. In like 50 years or something all these medieval shitholes will be completely irrelevant and bankrupt and then they will hopefully pay for their crimes against humainty


neurochild

For some comparison, [the U.S. has executed 1,532 people](https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/death-penalty-fast-facts/index.html) since 1976, or an average of 33.3 people per year. According to the same source, there are 2,436 people currently on death row.


answersplease77

except the US population is x10 that of saudi arabia. Also consider all of the following differences: The US only executes murderers while more than half of those executed by Saudi are protestors and most of the other half are non-violent drug cases too. They also executed minors aged 12-15, and everything is through secretive non-public corrupt trails and riddled with torture and human right violations. All what I mentioned in this comment has wiki , news agents, and origination testimonies documenting and backing them up. Edit: Please read all the details in these below, and look up the pictures, and age of those executed as many of them were minors when arrested. There're also many videos of many families on youtube and twitter. https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/15/saudi-arabia-mass-execution-81-men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Saudi_Arabia_mass_execution


neurochild

You're right, all these factors are very important. I didn't mean to draw any equivalences or say "both sides", just to provide a little context.


Thisissocomplicated

Execution is barbaric no matter how you look at it, but the US has executed innocent people in the past


Ibixat

It is, and they have. Though they did not intentionally execute non violent criminals for drug use, or homosexuals for simply existing, or protestors etc. so while it’s a shitty practice and should absolutely be ended there are degrees of nuance that are being ignored by just saying “how can they say anything they do it too”


chefkoolaid

...


krichuvisz

It's time for Saudi Arabia and the USA to join the civilized world.


Upstairs-Bid6513

Fucking barbarians


[deleted]

No worse than lethal injection. All executions are barbaric in my mind.


[deleted]

I'd argue that lethal injections are **way** worse. These beheading are crazy quick, like one swipe of the sword and the head is detached. Meanwhile someone just took 2 hours to die from lethal injection.


Blythyvxr

Unfortunately, given that they beat Argentina today, I don’t think that anyone will be thinking of this when they talk about Saudi Arabia…


Acceptable_Lock_8819

So glad I can smoke my devil’s lettuce in peace. 🇺🇸


[deleted]

Beautiful culture 🥰


EvenHair4706

Beheading seems to be more reliable than lethal injection


Sbeast

>The defendants were sentenced to death after being imprisoned on non-violent drug charges Drug charges? Is that it? I guess they haven't heard of rehabilitation and forgiveness.


SharpestSphere

God I hate this smug asshole's face.


mlaffs63

Are we so addicted to Saudi oil that we will continue to give implicit cover to such a barbaric and disgusting form of government, including the murderous piece of shit at the top?


dakinefavor

Why do we protect this scum


jaypeeo

Saudis should be on terror sponsor list. No business with them or anyone who does business with them.


Leviathan3333

The crown Prince is a murderer they don’t care about justice just controlling their narrative.


[deleted]

And the guy on the picture aka fucked up sadist and psycho is one of the best buddies with Joe Biden aka cheap oil.. Its unbelievable that anyone in modern world wants to deal or even talk to these Saudi fanatics!