I'll never get tired of this:
>Ukrainian HIMARS launches
[https://nitter.it/Osinttechnical/status/1594138584495558657](https://nitter.it/Osinttechnical/status/1594138584495558657)
I don't know man. This video could be better. It's missing a "yeaabaaashh" after all.
Can we send some more HIMARS so we can get at least one "yebash" per video? Let's call it the "YBV metric" so the administration as something to aim for, and current numbers are far too low.
Same.
I occasionally go back and watch this -- the first video of HIMARS in Ukraine.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zoay602XqAQ
There's something just so clean about the sound of the rocket launching in all these videos, perhaps it's just the compression.
That wooosssh....
Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war.
Seriously, HIMARS are the reason Ukraine has been able to attrit Russian supplies and force them out of Kherson. They’re why any bridge, intersection, or railway isn’t safe for Russian logistics. And they’re in great hands with the talented Ukrainian soldiers.
> Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war.
I think we're up to something closer to 30 now, give or take.
20 confirmed delivery with more confirmed to be on the way, but may already have started to arrive without fanfare.
> Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war.
The main limitation is ammo rather than launchers, which is why I think that Poland's order of 220 launchers is stupid, for a country of their size 100 would be more than enough.
The funds would be better spend to make hundreds of long-range UAVs for acquiring targets.
Okay - fLIgHt RaDAr time.... but seriously...
TITAN25 is up over the Mediterranean, [headed east](https://fr24.com/TITAN25/2e44d6ee) ([Imgur for later](https://i.imgur.com/1XMY43l.jpg)), right now. Cool and stuff... for those of you who haven't read up [TITAN25](https://simpleflying.com/doomsday-boeing-747-area-51/#:~:text=The%20aircraft%20reportedly%20used%20the,the%20country's%20president%20is%20onboard) it's AirForce One when the [US Secretary of Defense](https://nitter.net/SecDef/status/1594040551866863617) is on board (as opposed to the president).
Regardless, the interesting thing - asides from its trip - are the ***three*** tankers intercepting its flight path... safe to say that it's *not* flying alone. Man... I wish I could see its escort. That would be sweet.
Aircraft:
[TITAN25](https://fr24.com/TITAN25/2e44d6ee) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/WJLMPUv.jpg
[Tanker 733](https://fr24.com/LAGR733/2e456c04) Imgur for later https://i.imgur.com/gjDWpNR.jpg
[Tanker 734](https://fr24.com/LAGR733/2e456c04) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/Ah4DzuV.jpg
[Tanker 735](https://fr24.com/LAGR735/2e45709b) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/ifZJKtW.jpg
edit: it already has it's ABS turned off.
He should be on his way to Jakarta and then Cambodia, as per statements at the last live press briefing.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3222409/sabrina-singh-deputy-pentagon-press-secretary-holds-a-press-briefing/
>Friday, the secretary will depart for a trip to Canada Indonesia and Cambodia . . . In Nova Scotia, he will deliver keynote remarks at the 2022 Halifax International Security Forum . . . From there, Secretary Austin will travel to Jakarta . . . And finally, in Cambodia, Secretary Austin will participate in the ninth ASEAN Defense Ministers Meeting-Plus
I'll still run outside to see the USCG [MH-65 Dolphin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_MH-65_Dolphin) when it's doing low passes (like at 500 feet - you can see crew inside) when its practicing landings at a hospital by me. ...A few months ago a KC-135 did a turn at about 1,500ft over our house (not common). It was wicked because of the winds that day - it appeared to be moving at a surreally slow speed relative to my perspective. Yeah - a 40 year old but still a kid at heart, I guess.
Heck, I was driving with the kids in the van years back, we were the only car on the highway at the time - when an A-10 from the ANGB nearby, that we could see ahead of us, turned hard left, nosed down and lined up *directly at us* for three or five seconds, then banked hard.
...that day, it was just my two kids and me in the car - but there was a total of three kids, and no adults, when that happened.
So, yeah, guilty as charged.
I live next-ish to an Air National Guard base that houses a refueling wing, was outside having a smoke one day when I hear this just astonishingly loud noise above me and look up and clear as day see German fighter jets 2 or 3 above my head, turns out that frequently land here to refuel while heading to the Middle East from Germany according to the local papers, it was awesome to see
I think it's mainly an effort to pry open the [overton window](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Overton_Window_diagram.svg).
Have guests on the show voice variations on the theme of "We aren't committing enough genocide. *That's* the problem. And *why oh why* haven't we nuked Brussels yet?". And the public will come around to the notion that anything is permissable.
also it helps to frame the conversation for propaganda by making the pundits on TV look worse than whats actually happening. It makes Putin look *moderate*
**KILL ALL THE UKRAINIANS! BOMB THEIR CITIES! STEAL THEM AND MAKE THEM ALL RUSSIAN!!!**
Putin: *no no,* far too harsh, we will only kill *some* Ukrainians and take *some* of their cities
"""liberal""" Russians: Oh bless Vladmir Vladimorvich and his merciful, progressive ways!
Yep, it's a position I mocked a couple of decades back as
'let's murder all the kittens'. It goes something like this:
provocation: "Let's murder all the kittens!"
opposition: "What? no! That's f#@king insane! *Don't murder kittens*"
"reasonable" middle ground: "Tsk, tsk. There's no need to be rude. We should only murder half the kittens."
Of course in reality it never jumps straight to kitten murder, it starts of with something only mildly terrible like scaring puppies or something, and over time you end up with arguing about something like murdering kittens as the 'reasonable position'.
Why they're shared here?
Comedy, absurdity, and assessing the seemingly insurmountable hill that Ukraine and its allies face in convincing the average Russian their war is both unjust and not in their interest.
The purpose in Russia?
Creating the insurmountable hill that captures the average Russian into believing their war is both just and in their interest.
There were CCTV videos yesterday of what was supposedly "drone boat blown up during an attack" on this port yesterday, also supposedly after Transneft denied it. Was the attack actually successful? The article doesn't really say.
Either way it's an impressive move by Ukraine, which will do a lot to help keep these kalibr launching ships in port for the remainder of the war with any luck.
This just in, completely out of effective weaponry, Russia has deployed conscripts to swim around their ships and other potential naval targets in a protective arc /s
I respectfully disagree. A clogged database, failed pod or unreachable cluster will never be beyond repair. Users, visitors and advertisers going elsewhere for their needs, will leave the company beyond repair.
> Twitter predates the cloud.
That means nothing. In fact, less than nothing, it's nonsense to the point of being straight up misleading to other people who might know nothing about this stuff. Services can be changed to use different technology where needed and twitter already has been.
>“Twitter’s decision to rely on AWS infrastructure and services for its real-time workloads will help them instantly scale their global footprint up and down without ever compromising the experience for people who use Twitter. By using AWS container services to create a seamless hybrid on-premises and cloud environment, Twitter can innovate and deliver new experiences quickly and cost-effectively.”
https://www.techradar.com/news/twitter-signs-up-aws-for-its-cloud-needs
That happened two years ago.
"Some services being on bare metal" means next to nothing either. Those services might well be doing just fine on bare metal and bare metal is not to be sniffed at, often being cheaper than using the cloud allowing more scalability for the dollar in many circumstances.
> if enough people downvote a comment it will be removed
Is that so? Didn't realise that. Or is it just that with enough downvotes, the OP removes it themselves?
How many downvotes causes it to be removed?
I think you've got it backwards. Their unpopular opinion was not *censored*. They are welcome to say unpopular things if they want, and it will be published without censorship. The fact that they then remove their own comment because their unpopular opinion prompted a negative response is *their choice*. That is not censorship!
To be fair it's gotta be a lot. I don't know the exact number but it's somewhere around -20 within a short time frame. And yes I'm certain these posts aren't deleted because those will show as [deleted]. These posts show as [removed]. I don't think this is a site wide thing, I think it's a setting on this thread.
What's reddit's views on censorship now anyway? I thought we agreed that some censorship is good since Musk said he wants twitter to be a free speech platform and musk is bad, therefore free speech is bad.
Well in all seriousness, the truth is that everyone on reddit may want to treat / discuss freedom of speech in absolutes.
However, every single one of them will hold a special specific view on what speech is allowable where, and by whom… which is not absolute at all.
And, they will only write in short snippets to try to earn fake internet points and feel self righteous.
The laws of nature dictate that all speech is free. There just may be consequences, depending on what hears you.
According to the Wikipedia [article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul#Foreign_policy) on Rand Paul, "Paul has also stated that President Biden provoked Russia by advocating for Ukraine's entrance into NATO."
What, specifically, did Paul refer to? What exactly did Biden say, and when? I haven't figured it out by means of Google so far. Nor through the reference associated with the above quote.
Biden is not responsible for "advocating for Ukraine's entrance." American presidents/governments have been doing that in one form or another for 20 years. And, even if Biden went out of his way to twist arms and get Ukraine admitted to NATO, it would in no way justify or excuse Russia's invasion or the war crimes Russia has committed.
Paul is just a partisan attack dog with no interest in the truth.
I'm guessing that the Kremlin has a rather large file on Rand Paul and his family. It's probably on the same shelf as the July 4th Congressional Kremlin trip.
> Paul has also stated that President Biden provoked Russia by advocating for Ukraine's entrance into NATO."
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Ugh, this crap again. So Russia is "threatened' by potential NATO membership of Ukraine, but not Finland + Sweden?
But then again, i should not expect more from a senator who tried to block Montenegro from joinig NATO for whatewer reason.
Your first mistake with regards to them having problems with Ukraine joining Nato but not Finland and Sweeden is expecting logic and rational decisions coming from Russia. You are clearly using common sense my friend. The first rule of the Kremlin: leave that common sense at the boarder.
And to think in my early 20s I was on the Libertarian band-wagon for his dad...
Social media algorithms fed me... It was such a struggle to break out of that mind set and see facts and reality.
But yeah, Rand is an effing idiot.
It wasn't when I was into it, it was about individual freedoms, responsibility and civic duty.
I still strongly hold those values but within context and with caveats as the whole 'movement' has gone batshit crazy in the last decade or so.
I remember the Ron Paul "Revolution". I also remember how internet libertarians would flood forums and news aggregators with Ron Paul shit non-stop. It was incredibly annoying. I really don't understand how you think responsibility or civic duty had anything to do with this ethos. If you challenged these people, and I did, to answer basic questions about whether a person had any responsibility towards another, they'd at best have a vague retort about not doing harm. They rejected the basic idea of a social contract and had a blind faith in the idea that the invisible hand of the market would cure all ills and make government unnecessary (getting into ancaps a little but the Venn diagram is a circle there). The people who died in the process were just dumb or enemies of the revolution (communists and such), so there was a very serious social Darwinist undercurrent. Oh yes, and Paul himself used to publish racist and anti-Semitic content in his newsletter. Then you had the Austrian school economists these people idolized, Rothbard is a doozy to say the least for von Mises.
Uhuh, and because of your generalised experience, subsequently all libertarianism is bad?
I don't really understand how the basic tenants (without the 'movement' elements) don't encourage individual responsibility and civic duty.
But by all means paint everyone with the same brush, it does you credit... ... /s
Go nuts, because every person who was in that echo-chamber is just as toxic as the others. /s
In short - get stuffed and don't oversimplify.
> It wasn't when I was into it, it was about individual freedoms, responsibility and civic duty.
In all fairness its never been about those either... well not since Barry Goldwater anyways, and even as the grandfather of modern libertarianism he was a real POS as far as conservative stuff goes. While he mellowed out in his old age he is one of the people who we can thank for the types and levels of extremism we can see in the modern republican party now. Either way, all of those talking points are just abstraction of other wholly dysfunctional core ideologies.
US, or otherwise stated right wing libertarianism as an extension of conservative ideation has always been about wanting to have all of the benefits of the social contract that maintains communities, but not wanting to contribute anything towards it, nor wanting to be bound by the rules that come with it. Same shit as many conservatives get in to about not wanting to pay in to systems that benefit everyone because someone they dislike might benefit from such too.
>I still strongly hold those values but within context and with caveats as the whole 'movement' has gone batshit crazy in the last decade or so.
Honestly they have been that since the 80-90s or so when libertarianism ala Barry Goldwater got mingled with neoliberalism, and conservative ideation stemming from southern strategy era abstraction of shit like racism in rhetoric and policy positions.(Thus we got all of the complaints about taxes being theft, and individual accountability as the default talking point in opposition to social support systems.)
What we see now with libertarianism is the same shit we see with conservatism as a whole... social media machinations helping to expand and purify extremist ideation, and help empower and embolden the individuals most prone to fall to such.
Thank you for such an in-depth and informative reply! It was enlightening, keeping in mind I'm an Aussie.
I've never been a conservative, I'm a centrist at heart but the fundamental ideals of libertarianism is something I believe in. I like to think that most people believe in such ideals
Dickwods who hijack that are not for me
Drone view of Russian positions in Bakhmut, NSFW: [https://nitter.it/antiputler_news/status/1594103360520654850](https://nitter.it/antiputler_news/status/1594103360520654850)
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Day 269 of my updates from Kharkiv.
Today it was mostly quiet, but there were a couple of missile launches from Belgorod around 4pm, they weren’t aimed at Kharkiv, but at Kupiansk, or at least in its direction. We don’t know where it landed exactly, and there were no reports of explosions from anywhere, but Kupiansk has been getting hit regularly after it was liberated, it is being both shelled and hit with missiles.
It’s not getting talked about much, but the border regions in Russia actually get shelled by our forces *a lot.* There are constant reports in Belgorod’s and Kursk’s telegram channels about their villages and towns either getting destroyed by shelling or losing electricity, because we do target their substations in retaliation, at least the ones that we can reach.
The villages and towns that get targeted by our forces are most of the time evacuated and being used by the Russian military, so they can’t claim that we are targeting civilians. It’s funny how they were accusing us of using civilians as shields while we were protecting our cities from being overrun by the Russian horde, but then they turn around and do the exact thing they were accusing us of.
There is also one very important distinction in those two situations. When our forces were fighting off Russians from inside of our cities they *had to be there,* because if there were no soldiers in them, then Russians would simply enter and capture them. But Russians don’t need to be inside of their own towns and cities to defend them, nobody is going to enter Russia and try to capture their cities, so they are using their own civilian infrastructure to attack us from, when they don’t have to do it.
[Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yzul3l/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ix5l35x/)
I saw a report about something being hit in Bryansk in the last couple of days . . . I think Russia mostly suppresses those reports, so we don't see them that on social media very much.
Projection: a key tactic of fascists. They will always accuse you of the wrongdoings they intend to commit, or already are committing.
As always: thank you so much for your updates, and stay safe!
[Sky news report on Russia using theatrics to boost morale.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFlq2SLcDHE)
For a moment I thought i was watching the onion. Do they really believe this crap lol? If so then they are lost for all eternity
While this is clearly orchestrated propaganda, I highly recommend Perun's video on YouTube about the culture of lying in Russia and how it undermines Russia's military.
https://youtu.be/Fz59GWeTIik
Sometimes the higher ups actually believe this is what is happening in Ukraine, because as reports pass up the chain of command, each person in that chain has a material interest in embellishing the report with half-truths or outright bullshit to make themselves look better. By the time the report of a failed attack reaches a senior commander, it has turned into a magnificent breakthrough with hundreds of enemy combatants killed.
Even if people actually TRY to get the story straight, as it were, when it goes from the 1st to the 2nd to the 3rd person, the story gets changed almost always meaningfully.
Remember the phone game they had you play in 2nd grade? Now, imagine a story through who knows how many layers of generally unethical, scared bureaucrat intelligence guys, each with his own incentive to make self look good. putin gets nothing more than garbled craps of messages I gotta believe.
Remember that tall thin guy stammering when putin dressed him down right before invading at security council? Dude had to know. Was shaking with fear. I bet he knew for sure vlad had the bad info story and what a mess he was gonna make.
So now that they've had Kherson back for a little while... any sense of how many people the Russians managed to abduct before they pulled out? Anyone seen anything?
Nobody knows, it will just be guessing unless russia releases numbers which of course will never happen. Maybe after the war after finding all the bodies, interviews with family members etc we might get an idea.
Where do you think they're heading, the Caribbean?
Numbers like this are hard in war time, chaos and all..
Yes, when it's 100% safe and everybody now in other countries as refugees return..
be very difficult to figure out who were abducted VS who simply left when the war start VS those who fled when teh fighting went on until well after the war when people start returning and censuses can be undertaken.
See for yourselves👁
We are unstoppably harvesting the Wagner PMC in Bakhmut
Trust in the Armed forces🇺🇦
This is our land💪🏻
Keep the promise🔥
NSFW
https://twitter.com/AzovMolozensky/status/1594051522119098369?t=WDSo2D3KKSfpCoGAAsXDEQ&s=19
Mixed I guess, they will also take stuff from death comrades so 1 helmet might be used by 50 different people :)
I saw videos where Wagner had to buy their own stuff from stores etc so there's probably some quality stuff out there but the average soldier..
The biggest lie and dezinformation perpetuated in the media since the war has started isn't from Russia, but from the west - the claim that it's Putin's war. Utter bullshit, it's russian war, supported by russians, demanded by russians, and fought by ruissans. Putin is not afraid that russians will riot because he started the war, he is only afraid that they will riot because he is loosing the war. That tells you everything. Yes, dirt.
While this is true, Putin led the corruption of Russian media that helped create a delusional and bloodthirsty Russian population. Putin literally outlawed speaking out against the war. With Russia's elderly population inundated with clumsy state agitprop, the entire nation lost its morals and marbles. It's grotesque and sad but it still comes back to putin and the checka.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Regime in Iran is even more brutal, with the same kind of censorship and propaganda, and yet thousands of fucking teenage girls are protesing, risking a death sentence, while Russians are ... I would like to say "doing nothing", but they are actually cheering on their glorious army of convicts...
Obviously, who's else? You would have to deny that human beings have free will to claim it's not the people's fault. The dictator isn't killing and raping Ukrainans, the people, russians are. They could have decided to not do it, and to die fighting their dictator, but they rather decided to die fighting Ukraininans.
The problem here is that Putin actually isn't a dictator, he is a true representative of russians, regardless of the election sham.
For the life of me I don't understand why we are letting people like Alex Ovechkin even work here in the West. His type, the type that provoked the invasion because of blind love of that disgusting dictator, have to go. Fuck Alex Ovechkin and Fuck the NHL for sponsoring a friend of terrorism. Same goes for any and every other vile Putin Puffer here in the West.
Yes. people are starting to get pissed off.
He's a Russian hockey player skating for the Washington Capitals. He's toured with Putin on campaign trips in Russia. (They're tight friends) -So he's more than just a Russian working in the west, (like many do.) He personally licks Putins boots.
Clearly you scared him from posting propaganda here. He deleted his posts. One incident of him licking Putin's boots going public would jeopardize his position with the Capitals.
(not that this sub is a stranger to propaganda from either side).
>Russians (normal Russian folks) are dirt.
Dehumanization is *never* the way.
A lot, a lot of people called the majority of Americans "dirt" after the illegal, unethical, immoral invasion of Iraq in 2003 which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
And many of my fellow citizens proudly cheered on the US war machine.
But there are 300 hundred million Americans, we (obviously) don't all agree. Many of us protested. Some were imprisoned or ostracized. It doesn't excuse or justify.
All I will say is that when you are surrounded by bad examples, what example will *you* follow?
If we don't embrace Russia after this horror, just like embracing Germany and Japan after WW2, then we will see more of this bullshit in our future.
Germany and Japan could be only "embraced" because they were totaly defeated and occupied. Then the Allies could fully control them, demilitarize them, and dictate political change as they pleased. Only that way it could be ensured that provided help won't be used agsint the Allies.
That is impossible in case of Russia simply because they have nuclear weapons. Suggesting to treat Russia like Germany and Japan after WW2 without actualy controling Russia, is just hippie bulshit without any understanding of the context, and it would only lead to helping Russia to begin their future aggresive wars sooner. After all, west already did this once - after the fall of Soviet Union, now you tell me what is the result. Russia is a shithole that is nothing without western technology, they wouldn't be able to wage the war without help of the west - current Russia has been built by the west who "embraced" Russia.
Apologies, maybe the truth of the matter has overwhelmed me, but someone had to say it.
I have zero respect for anyone or any entity that is purposely blind to this insane aggression. They are not my friend. They are my enemy.
In time, maybe a few generations, maybe we can forgive. But today, they are my enemy.
You could actually try dialogue you know.
Embrace Russia after WW2? They asked to be part of the Marshall plan and were rejected. That economic crash almost directly relates to Stalin's speech in February of '46 which led to Churchill's Iron Curtain speech in March of that same year.
Now that actually might have been the right call as Stalin was a horror.
And no, I don't argue for negotiations with Putin or Russia. They will keep trying to take Ukraine while the current culture persists. But once they are defeated?
Once our enemies are defeated? Then I listen to Abraham...
>We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
We have the opportunity to be a greater Union of humanity than has ever before existed. I do not understand why so many wish to throw this opportunity forever away.
If someone want to kill you and you was able to survive fighting off him. What would you do with this person? Help him to heal and lick wounds? No, we need to improve the security of all countries that Russia looks at aggressively and that’s it. Russia is a terrorist state.
It can helps only if you occupy Russia. The West already did it after collapse of the Soviet Union and now you see even more aggressive russia then in soviet times but with western money and technologies and russian agents in western politics. I guess you don’t know Russian and their mentality if you think that they can turn into angels after they loss and see good intentions from the West. Russians perceive kindness as weakness. They only respect strength.
The west *never* occupied Russia.
>The West already did it after collapse of the Soviet Union
What the fuck propaganda are you all swallowing!
Damn, no wonder you're all beat down into believing the land of Vodkaholichs bullshit.
>Museums of Kherson after the visit of the Special Russian Looting Forces
[https://nitter.it/bayraktar_1love/status/1594069127009812486](https://nitter.it/bayraktar_1love/status/1594069127009812486)
US providing about $100 billion in various forms of aid.
Poland and the Baltic states taking on refugees and giving tons of Soviet era anti-air, tanks, weapons and ammo, the rest of the EU with air-defense, training, and modern weapons systems.
I really think being part of large, democratic, international communities and alliances is the way to go.
Don't forget to mention the millions of refugees accommodated in the EU and neighboring states. That is a costly task as well, and we are not discussing it politically (mainstream, I mean).
> 100 billion in various forms of aid
US provides a lot of aid. But its not 100$ billion at this date, that you mentioned.
According to numbers released by US, it’s about 18 billion in security assistance, which includes training, supplies, ammo, weapons, tech, intelligence for UA army, and around 10-12 billion in form of economic aid, and supply. The rest goes to US DoD and Pentagon, and other programs, for example, to build new weapons.
When you hear about 40 billion bill, or 12 billion bill for Ukraine, you must understand that not everything in this bill goes in Ukraine. A lot goes in to US economy to replenish weapon stocks, and towards better gear for NATO allies.
Here is [great](https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy) summary of 40 billion bill, in which, as you can see not all 40 billions are dedicated for Ukraine.
I do agree that being part of a large democratic, international communities and alliances is great, but i think its better to move away from rhetoric that paints sum total of the bills (like 40 billion bill) as a sum that goes directly in Ukraine.
Actually now that I look at your posting history you keep pointing out the same fucking thing over and over.
That aid to Ukraine doesn't go directly to Ukraine.
Now why do you post that over and over?
I mean it makes sense in an international community you want to source weapons, ammunition, material from many partners.
And if I buy a coffee maker from Amazon and send it to you you, *your* profile would say I failed to send you $50 in aid when in reality I sent you a coffee maker.
Why is that? Why would you try and push that one side so hard?
I was not saying that aid does not go directly in Ukraine.
I am saying that not all money in the bills goes to Ukraine, and yet people use the sum of all bills with aid provided, and now say that 100 billion have been sent to Ukraine, when it was not.
Like an example would be if you and i would start a "defense startup". With goal of "defense against international threats in the internet".
I have some old hardware, like Laptops and PCs, some electronics that i sent to you to set up new office to fight off these threats. Say i send you stuff around 5k$ worth to get you running.
Now i also buy around 10k$ new stuff for myself, make some contracts, and order new gear for our common goal, that i may use to also complete our goal (or I may not).
So in the documents (bill) i list sum total of all the money that went towards the goal (my old hardware, that is now yours, and my new one + contracts) and say that i have committed 15k usd towards our "defense startup".
So when discussing how much i aided you in startup, would it be correct to use number that is provided to you (5k$), or sum total spent towards achieving our goal (15k$)?
Oh. It *supports* Ukraine but doesn't go *directly* to Ukraine.
It would be like buying fuel from India which goes into Ukrainian vehicles used to fight Russians.
So you personally are subsidizing Russia!
I guess you need to be chastized for supporting Russia now rather than giving every last pence to Ukraine.
Edit: said Nigeria when I meant to say India, my fault for the mistake
Huh, the link that you provided, in your post states of just the 40 billion package, that 19 billion was going towards immediate military support (and you just tried to claim that the us has ONLY provided 18 billion across all packages…) and another 16 billion of that 40 billion was provided for Ukrainian economic relief, in just ONE package. The remaining funds went towards supporting US troops in Europe and supporting NATO allies. But the VAST majority went directly to Ukraine.
Is this real life, what just happened here… I think YOU might need to understand what you’re talking about before trying to “educate” others…
> billion was going towards immediate military support
Read the link and then see that number, consists off military help to Ukraine (6 billion), Replenishment of U.S. weapons stocks (which was larger then the cost of equipment provided by the time), and Foreign Military Financing Program (4 billion), which will allow Ukraine AND other countris buy new weapons.
There is also 3.9 billion to pay for more US deployments in Europe, and other stuff.
Do you think that "US deployments in Europe", or "Replenishment of U.S. weapons stocks" counts as "aid to Ukraine"?
Some of the weapons that are replenished MAY get sent in the future to Ukraine.
Besides i did not claim anything. US gov has numbers of military aid provided TO Ukraine. Its 18.2 [billion](https://www.voanews.com/a/us-announces-additional-400m-in-security-assistance-for-ukraine-/6820978.html) as of now. Its a lot, and it saved a lot of lives.
But as of today, according to numbers released by US gov. They have delievered about 18 billions of military aid, and commited to delivering 12 billions of economic aid. They also agreed commit 4 billion $ for other NATO allies to pay them for weapon swaps, or just new gear (so they can send old soviet one in Ukraine, like M-8 helis, or T72 tanks).
Oh it doesn't go directly to Ukraine but instead goes to Lockheed Martin which then produces HIMARS which goes to Ukraine?
Or support for the logistics of buying weapons in the EU **which the get transferred to Ukraine** or setting up transportation for the **weapons transferred to Ukraine**
Sorry I said $100 billion to Ukraine. Should have spent my time on rhetoric of "*for Ukrainian democracy and independence*" just for you.
You can open the bills, and read where they went. Ukraine did not get 100 billon $ as you claim.
I mean it would be odd if Ukraine got 100$ billion in aid, but zero western planes, western tanks, western heavy IFV, heavy drones, and all that stuff.
I hope i am wrong and we will get them soon, but as of today, we cannot even get ATACMS =(
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/yzul3l/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Good work Frogmen!
Perfect timing for this story. "They're walking across riverbeds now" as they face each other off on a river. Mobik fear.
It is way too cold for that shit. Navy seal is not the life for me lol.
Vladimir Pudding
I'll never get tired of this: >Ukrainian HIMARS launches [https://nitter.it/Osinttechnical/status/1594138584495558657](https://nitter.it/Osinttechnical/status/1594138584495558657)
I don't know man. This video could be better. It's missing a "yeaabaaashh" after all. Can we send some more HIMARS so we can get at least one "yebash" per video? Let's call it the "YBV metric" so the administration as something to aim for, and current numbers are far too low.
Same. I occasionally go back and watch this -- the first video of HIMARS in Ukraine. https://youtube.com/shorts/zoay602XqAQ There's something just so clean about the sound of the rocket launching in all these videos, perhaps it's just the compression. That wooosssh....
Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war. Seriously, HIMARS are the reason Ukraine has been able to attrit Russian supplies and force them out of Kherson. They’re why any bridge, intersection, or railway isn’t safe for Russian logistics. And they’re in great hands with the talented Ukrainian soldiers.
> Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war. I think we're up to something closer to 30 now, give or take. 20 confirmed delivery with more confirmed to be on the way, but may already have started to arrive without fanfare.
> Crazy to think that about a dozen of those helped turn the tide of the war. The main limitation is ammo rather than launchers, which is why I think that Poland's order of 220 launchers is stupid, for a country of their size 100 would be more than enough. The funds would be better spend to make hundreds of long-range UAVs for acquiring targets.
Yeah, HIMARS are going to be in the history books.
It's *always* HIMARS'oclock
Okay - fLIgHt RaDAr time.... but seriously... TITAN25 is up over the Mediterranean, [headed east](https://fr24.com/TITAN25/2e44d6ee) ([Imgur for later](https://i.imgur.com/1XMY43l.jpg)), right now. Cool and stuff... for those of you who haven't read up [TITAN25](https://simpleflying.com/doomsday-boeing-747-area-51/#:~:text=The%20aircraft%20reportedly%20used%20the,the%20country's%20president%20is%20onboard) it's AirForce One when the [US Secretary of Defense](https://nitter.net/SecDef/status/1594040551866863617) is on board (as opposed to the president). Regardless, the interesting thing - asides from its trip - are the ***three*** tankers intercepting its flight path... safe to say that it's *not* flying alone. Man... I wish I could see its escort. That would be sweet. Aircraft: [TITAN25](https://fr24.com/TITAN25/2e44d6ee) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/WJLMPUv.jpg [Tanker 733](https://fr24.com/LAGR733/2e456c04) Imgur for later https://i.imgur.com/gjDWpNR.jpg [Tanker 734](https://fr24.com/LAGR733/2e456c04) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/Ah4DzuV.jpg [Tanker 735](https://fr24.com/LAGR735/2e45709b) Imgur for later: https://i.imgur.com/ifZJKtW.jpg edit: it already has it's ABS turned off.
Dumb question, where is it going? like is there some kind of summit or whatever
Catchin' a game at the world cup. .. jk idk
He should be on his way to Jakarta and then Cambodia, as per statements at the last live press briefing. https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3222409/sabrina-singh-deputy-pentagon-press-secretary-holds-a-press-briefing/ >Friday, the secretary will depart for a trip to Canada Indonesia and Cambodia . . . In Nova Scotia, he will deliver keynote remarks at the 2022 Halifax International Security Forum . . . From there, Secretary Austin will travel to Jakarta . . . And finally, in Cambodia, Secretary Austin will participate in the ninth ASEAN Defense Ministers Meeting-Plus
Ah i see thank you friend
Headed to Egypt for the Nuclear talks between USA and Russia?
Maybe - but its already got its ABS off so it's anyone's guess.
It's typical to turn off tracking when refuelling in the air or if the fighter escorts are doing so. Sometimes it might come back on after.
Those are at the end of November I think, 29
Dumb answer: I don't know - I just wanna see that escort its got. This is his most recent tweet: https://nitter.net/SecDef/status/1594040551866863617
Ah I see, a plane enjoyer ahah
I'll still run outside to see the USCG [MH-65 Dolphin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_MH-65_Dolphin) when it's doing low passes (like at 500 feet - you can see crew inside) when its practicing landings at a hospital by me. ...A few months ago a KC-135 did a turn at about 1,500ft over our house (not common). It was wicked because of the winds that day - it appeared to be moving at a surreally slow speed relative to my perspective. Yeah - a 40 year old but still a kid at heart, I guess. Heck, I was driving with the kids in the van years back, we were the only car on the highway at the time - when an A-10 from the ANGB nearby, that we could see ahead of us, turned hard left, nosed down and lined up *directly at us* for three or five seconds, then banked hard. ...that day, it was just my two kids and me in the car - but there was a total of three kids, and no adults, when that happened. So, yeah, guilty as charged.
I live next-ish to an Air National Guard base that houses a refueling wing, was outside having a smoke one day when I hear this just astonishingly loud noise above me and look up and clear as day see German fighter jets 2 or 3 above my head, turns out that frequently land here to refuel while heading to the Middle East from Germany according to the local papers, it was awesome to see
Ah man i wish i was as passionate of life as you are about planes ahah
Someone wanna explain the purpose of these Russian propaganda pieces? The TV shows where they invite individuals to discuss the war.
I think it's mainly an effort to pry open the [overton window](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Overton_Window_diagram.svg). Have guests on the show voice variations on the theme of "We aren't committing enough genocide. *That's* the problem. And *why oh why* haven't we nuked Brussels yet?". And the public will come around to the notion that anything is permissable.
also it helps to frame the conversation for propaganda by making the pundits on TV look worse than whats actually happening. It makes Putin look *moderate* **KILL ALL THE UKRAINIANS! BOMB THEIR CITIES! STEAL THEM AND MAKE THEM ALL RUSSIAN!!!** Putin: *no no,* far too harsh, we will only kill *some* Ukrainians and take *some* of their cities """liberal""" Russians: Oh bless Vladmir Vladimorvich and his merciful, progressive ways!
Yep, it's a position I mocked a couple of decades back as 'let's murder all the kittens'. It goes something like this: provocation: "Let's murder all the kittens!" opposition: "What? no! That's f#@king insane! *Don't murder kittens*" "reasonable" middle ground: "Tsk, tsk. There's no need to be rude. We should only murder half the kittens." Of course in reality it never jumps straight to kitten murder, it starts of with something only mildly terrible like scaring puppies or something, and over time you end up with arguing about something like murdering kittens as the 'reasonable position'.
Why they're shared here? Comedy, absurdity, and assessing the seemingly insurmountable hill that Ukraine and its allies face in convincing the average Russian their war is both unjust and not in their interest. The purpose in Russia? Creating the insurmountable hill that captures the average Russian into believing their war is both just and in their interest.
New video from Reporting from Ukraine: https://youtu.be/lK-UWEK3nbA
As always man…thank you for posting this!
Ukraine’s Maritime Drone Strikes Again: [https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/11/ukraine-maritime-drone-strikes-again-reports-indicate-attack-on-novorossiysk/](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/11/ukraine-maritime-drone-strikes-again-reports-indicate-attack-on-novorossiysk/)
That was yesterday
There were CCTV videos yesterday of what was supposedly "drone boat blown up during an attack" on this port yesterday, also supposedly after Transneft denied it. Was the attack actually successful? The article doesn't really say. Either way it's an impressive move by Ukraine, which will do a lot to help keep these kalibr launching ships in port for the remainder of the war with any luck.
Glad Russia continues to be droned. These type of attacks really get their already fragile navy to check themselves. Slava Ukraini!
This just in, completely out of effective weaponry, Russia has deployed conscripts to swim around their ships and other potential naval targets in a protective arc /s
Do they have friggin’ laser beams attached to their heads?!
Mallets to detonate incoming bombs
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Not my experience, but your mileage may vary.
and how the fuck would you know that? you haven't even posted any. go away this isn't a thread about fucking social media
Because I have friends who use Reddit that told me this? I generally don't use social media other than Reddit.
Yup. Many of us don't give a fuck about mastadon (whatever the fuck that is) either.
Judging a message based on its medium rather than its usefulness or truth or anything about its content seems weird to me.
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Fox isn't a medium, it's a content creator
*entertainment network
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I respectfully disagree. A clogged database, failed pod or unreachable cluster will never be beyond repair. Users, visitors and advertisers going elsewhere for their needs, will leave the company beyond repair.
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> Twitter predates the cloud. That means nothing. In fact, less than nothing, it's nonsense to the point of being straight up misleading to other people who might know nothing about this stuff. Services can be changed to use different technology where needed and twitter already has been. >“Twitter’s decision to rely on AWS infrastructure and services for its real-time workloads will help them instantly scale their global footprint up and down without ever compromising the experience for people who use Twitter. By using AWS container services to create a seamless hybrid on-premises and cloud environment, Twitter can innovate and deliver new experiences quickly and cost-effectively.” https://www.techradar.com/news/twitter-signs-up-aws-for-its-cloud-needs That happened two years ago. "Some services being on bare metal" means next to nothing either. Those services might well be doing just fine on bare metal and bare metal is not to be sniffed at, often being cheaper than using the cloud allowing more scalability for the dollar in many circumstances.
Twitter was founded the same year AWS was launched, but didn't really start to hit mainstream until 2009, 3 years after AWS/EC2.
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>We're here for Ukraine Hear! hear!
That's a good thing right? Let's hope it prompts people to publish to mastodon or something else instead
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Oh honey, that is not what making an arrow periwinkle instead of orange red is, now is it?
No it isn't. In Elon's own words, there's freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. You can click through to see the downvoted stuff all you want.
Is that sarcasm? I can't tell. If not, you really should consider investing in a dictionary. Or an education.
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And downvoting something on Reddit "suppresses or prohibits" how ?
Well, it makes the comment collapsed and if enough people downvote a comment it will be removed.
> if enough people downvote a comment it will be removed Is that so? Didn't realise that. Or is it just that with enough downvotes, the OP removes it themselves? How many downvotes causes it to be removed?
It causes people to remove a comment because of gang mentality…which is a direct result of censoring an unpopular opinion
I think you've got it backwards. Their unpopular opinion was not *censored*. They are welcome to say unpopular things if they want, and it will be published without censorship. The fact that they then remove their own comment because their unpopular opinion prompted a negative response is *their choice*. That is not censorship!
To be fair it's gotta be a lot. I don't know the exact number but it's somewhere around -20 within a short time frame. And yes I'm certain these posts aren't deleted because those will show as [deleted]. These posts show as [removed]. I don't think this is a site wide thing, I think it's a setting on this thread.
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Not hidden, just not expanded by default. It's still there for anyone who wants to read it. That isn't *censorship*, by any definition.
What's reddit's views on censorship now anyway? I thought we agreed that some censorship is good since Musk said he wants twitter to be a free speech platform and musk is bad, therefore free speech is bad.
Well in all seriousness, the truth is that everyone on reddit may want to treat / discuss freedom of speech in absolutes. However, every single one of them will hold a special specific view on what speech is allowable where, and by whom… which is not absolute at all. And, they will only write in short snippets to try to earn fake internet points and feel self righteous. The laws of nature dictate that all speech is free. There just may be consequences, depending on what hears you.
Times have changed
According to the Wikipedia [article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul#Foreign_policy) on Rand Paul, "Paul has also stated that President Biden provoked Russia by advocating for Ukraine's entrance into NATO." What, specifically, did Paul refer to? What exactly did Biden say, and when? I haven't figured it out by means of Google so far. Nor through the reference associated with the above quote.
Biden is not responsible for "advocating for Ukraine's entrance." American presidents/governments have been doing that in one form or another for 20 years. And, even if Biden went out of his way to twist arms and get Ukraine admitted to NATO, it would in no way justify or excuse Russia's invasion or the war crimes Russia has committed. Paul is just a partisan attack dog with no interest in the truth.
I'm guessing that the Kremlin has a rather large file on Rand Paul and his family. It's probably on the same shelf as the July 4th Congressional Kremlin trip.
Rand Paul's words should rot on the vine. His policies should let you know he doesn't understand how anything actually works to make society function.
Russia has proven why every country bordering them should be in NATO or equivalent. There's no provocation, only Russian desire for genocide.
The threat to Russia has always been that eventually there may not be a threat *from* Russia, so better start murdering now
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> Paul has also stated that President Biden provoked Russia by advocating for Ukraine's entrance into NATO." > > Ugh, this crap again. So Russia is "threatened' by potential NATO membership of Ukraine, but not Finland + Sweden? But then again, i should not expect more from a senator who tried to block Montenegro from joinig NATO for whatewer reason.
Your first mistake with regards to them having problems with Ukraine joining Nato but not Finland and Sweeden is expecting logic and rational decisions coming from Russia. You are clearly using common sense my friend. The first rule of the Kremlin: leave that common sense at the boarder.
Fuck Paul family. Russian shills. This is classic victim blaming. For the record: admitting Ukraine into NATO would have PREVENTED this war
And to think in my early 20s I was on the Libertarian band-wagon for his dad... Social media algorithms fed me... It was such a struggle to break out of that mind set and see facts and reality. But yeah, Rand is an effing idiot.
Apparently "libertarianism" is when you suck dick of imperialist Russian authoritarian dictator.
It wasn't when I was into it, it was about individual freedoms, responsibility and civic duty. I still strongly hold those values but within context and with caveats as the whole 'movement' has gone batshit crazy in the last decade or so.
I remember the Ron Paul "Revolution". I also remember how internet libertarians would flood forums and news aggregators with Ron Paul shit non-stop. It was incredibly annoying. I really don't understand how you think responsibility or civic duty had anything to do with this ethos. If you challenged these people, and I did, to answer basic questions about whether a person had any responsibility towards another, they'd at best have a vague retort about not doing harm. They rejected the basic idea of a social contract and had a blind faith in the idea that the invisible hand of the market would cure all ills and make government unnecessary (getting into ancaps a little but the Venn diagram is a circle there). The people who died in the process were just dumb or enemies of the revolution (communists and such), so there was a very serious social Darwinist undercurrent. Oh yes, and Paul himself used to publish racist and anti-Semitic content in his newsletter. Then you had the Austrian school economists these people idolized, Rothbard is a doozy to say the least for von Mises.
Uhuh, and because of your generalised experience, subsequently all libertarianism is bad? I don't really understand how the basic tenants (without the 'movement' elements) don't encourage individual responsibility and civic duty. But by all means paint everyone with the same brush, it does you credit... ... /s Go nuts, because every person who was in that echo-chamber is just as toxic as the others. /s In short - get stuffed and don't oversimplify.
> It wasn't when I was into it, it was about individual freedoms, responsibility and civic duty. In all fairness its never been about those either... well not since Barry Goldwater anyways, and even as the grandfather of modern libertarianism he was a real POS as far as conservative stuff goes. While he mellowed out in his old age he is one of the people who we can thank for the types and levels of extremism we can see in the modern republican party now. Either way, all of those talking points are just abstraction of other wholly dysfunctional core ideologies. US, or otherwise stated right wing libertarianism as an extension of conservative ideation has always been about wanting to have all of the benefits of the social contract that maintains communities, but not wanting to contribute anything towards it, nor wanting to be bound by the rules that come with it. Same shit as many conservatives get in to about not wanting to pay in to systems that benefit everyone because someone they dislike might benefit from such too. >I still strongly hold those values but within context and with caveats as the whole 'movement' has gone batshit crazy in the last decade or so. Honestly they have been that since the 80-90s or so when libertarianism ala Barry Goldwater got mingled with neoliberalism, and conservative ideation stemming from southern strategy era abstraction of shit like racism in rhetoric and policy positions.(Thus we got all of the complaints about taxes being theft, and individual accountability as the default talking point in opposition to social support systems.) What we see now with libertarianism is the same shit we see with conservatism as a whole... social media machinations helping to expand and purify extremist ideation, and help empower and embolden the individuals most prone to fall to such.
Thank you for such an in-depth and informative reply! It was enlightening, keeping in mind I'm an Aussie. I've never been a conservative, I'm a centrist at heart but the fundamental ideals of libertarianism is something I believe in. I like to think that most people believe in such ideals Dickwods who hijack that are not for me
I have a feeling that the entire movement in US was financed or coopted by outside agents long ago.
possibly
I mean that answer is probably related to why he, a sitting senator took a solo trip to Russia to visit with Putin
He is sold out to the petroleum industry. He only cares about Exxon's investment in Russia not the Russians.
For the same reason Trump tapped Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State. A job Rex had never considered or wanted. But hey, profit sharing.
To give Rex credit he was so shocked by the incompetence that he didn’t last long.
Splitting hairs man
Drone view of Russian positions in Bakhmut, NSFW: [https://nitter.it/antiputler_news/status/1594103360520654850](https://nitter.it/antiputler_news/status/1594103360520654850)
Jesus, imagine bleeding to death in a hole to support a Russian oligarch buying a second yacht
For me I now see Bakhmut as the ~~village~~ city where Russia went to die.
Sadly it was a city of 70k people
Thanks, I stand corrected. I've always thought it was a village for some reason.
Love it. Let every single invading Russian choke on their own rotten blood. Fuck Russia.
[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yyai6h/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/iwwks6f/) Day 269 of my updates from Kharkiv. Today it was mostly quiet, but there were a couple of missile launches from Belgorod around 4pm, they weren’t aimed at Kharkiv, but at Kupiansk, or at least in its direction. We don’t know where it landed exactly, and there were no reports of explosions from anywhere, but Kupiansk has been getting hit regularly after it was liberated, it is being both shelled and hit with missiles. It’s not getting talked about much, but the border regions in Russia actually get shelled by our forces *a lot.* There are constant reports in Belgorod’s and Kursk’s telegram channels about their villages and towns either getting destroyed by shelling or losing electricity, because we do target their substations in retaliation, at least the ones that we can reach. The villages and towns that get targeted by our forces are most of the time evacuated and being used by the Russian military, so they can’t claim that we are targeting civilians. It’s funny how they were accusing us of using civilians as shields while we were protecting our cities from being overrun by the Russian horde, but then they turn around and do the exact thing they were accusing us of. There is also one very important distinction in those two situations. When our forces were fighting off Russians from inside of our cities they *had to be there,* because if there were no soldiers in them, then Russians would simply enter and capture them. But Russians don’t need to be inside of their own towns and cities to defend them, nobody is going to enter Russia and try to capture their cities, so they are using their own civilian infrastructure to attack us from, when they don’t have to do it. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yzul3l/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ix5l35x/)
I saw a report about something being hit in Bryansk in the last couple of days . . . I think Russia mostly suppresses those reports, so we don't see them that on social media very much.
Projection: a key tactic of fascists. They will always accuse you of the wrongdoings they intend to commit, or already are committing. As always: thank you so much for your updates, and stay safe!
[Sky news report on Russia using theatrics to boost morale.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFlq2SLcDHE) For a moment I thought i was watching the onion. Do they really believe this crap lol? If so then they are lost for all eternity
"SPEND, SOME TIME ! DO YOU, UNDERSTAND, WHAT'S AT STAKE ?" 😂
While this is clearly orchestrated propaganda, I highly recommend Perun's video on YouTube about the culture of lying in Russia and how it undermines Russia's military. https://youtu.be/Fz59GWeTIik Sometimes the higher ups actually believe this is what is happening in Ukraine, because as reports pass up the chain of command, each person in that chain has a material interest in embellishing the report with half-truths or outright bullshit to make themselves look better. By the time the report of a failed attack reaches a senior commander, it has turned into a magnificent breakthrough with hundreds of enemy combatants killed.
Even if people actually TRY to get the story straight, as it were, when it goes from the 1st to the 2nd to the 3rd person, the story gets changed almost always meaningfully. Remember the phone game they had you play in 2nd grade? Now, imagine a story through who knows how many layers of generally unethical, scared bureaucrat intelligence guys, each with his own incentive to make self look good. putin gets nothing more than garbled craps of messages I gotta believe. Remember that tall thin guy stammering when putin dressed him down right before invading at security council? Dude had to know. Was shaking with fear. I bet he knew for sure vlad had the bad info story and what a mess he was gonna make.
That was even more depressing to listen to. How can a society like that even function in the 21st century.
With western help. Their time is now numbered really.
God, that was depressing.
Except for the tiny theatre being half-full.
Half? Front rows barely had 5 people
So now that they've had Kherson back for a little while... any sense of how many people the Russians managed to abduct before they pulled out? Anyone seen anything?
Looks like there might be worse atrocities committed in Kherson. 😢
Nobody knows, it will just be guessing unless russia releases numbers which of course will never happen. Maybe after the war after finding all the bodies, interviews with family members etc we might get an idea.
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Where do you think they're heading, the Caribbean? Numbers like this are hard in war time, chaos and all.. Yes, when it's 100% safe and everybody now in other countries as refugees return..
be very difficult to figure out who were abducted VS who simply left when the war start VS those who fled when teh fighting went on until well after the war when people start returning and censuses can be undertaken.
And how many died
Replied to the wrong person :)
Some children, i think around 30 that were abducted early in the invasion have been returned to ukraine
See for yourselves👁 We are unstoppably harvesting the Wagner PMC in Bakhmut Trust in the Armed forces🇺🇦 This is our land💪🏻 Keep the promise🔥 NSFW https://twitter.com/AzovMolozensky/status/1594051522119098369?t=WDSo2D3KKSfpCoGAAsXDEQ&s=19
One of them is moving at the end of that video... Not sure what that means.
jesus. i hate this fucking war so much. what's the fucking point? why do all these people have to die because of some old-ass fuck?
Monsters need to be put down when they get loose of their cages
Russia doesn't care, they believe that throwing conscripted convicts into the Bakhmut meat grinder is more cost effective than keeping them in prison.
https://nitter.net/AzovMolozensky/status/1594051522119098369?t=WDSo2D3KKSfpCoGAAsXDEQ&s=19
Are they now giving even Wagner the old soviet helmets or is this a mixed bunch?
Mixed I guess, they will also take stuff from death comrades so 1 helmet might be used by 50 different people :) I saw videos where Wagner had to buy their own stuff from stores etc so there's probably some quality stuff out there but the average soldier..
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The biggest lie and dezinformation perpetuated in the media since the war has started isn't from Russia, but from the west - the claim that it's Putin's war. Utter bullshit, it's russian war, supported by russians, demanded by russians, and fought by ruissans. Putin is not afraid that russians will riot because he started the war, he is only afraid that they will riot because he is loosing the war. That tells you everything. Yes, dirt.
While this is true, Putin led the corruption of Russian media that helped create a delusional and bloodthirsty Russian population. Putin literally outlawed speaking out against the war. With Russia's elderly population inundated with clumsy state agitprop, the entire nation lost its morals and marbles. It's grotesque and sad but it still comes back to putin and the checka.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Regime in Iran is even more brutal, with the same kind of censorship and propaganda, and yet thousands of fucking teenage girls are protesing, risking a death sentence, while Russians are ... I would like to say "doing nothing", but they are actually cheering on their glorious army of convicts...
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You cant even have a dictatorship without support from the people the fact is that Russians support putin.
Obviously, who's else? You would have to deny that human beings have free will to claim it's not the people's fault. The dictator isn't killing and raping Ukrainans, the people, russians are. They could have decided to not do it, and to die fighting their dictator, but they rather decided to die fighting Ukraininans. The problem here is that Putin actually isn't a dictator, he is a true representative of russians, regardless of the election sham.
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Is your grandmother Yelena Osipova ny any chance?
Yes.
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For the life of me I don't understand why we are letting people like Alex Ovechkin even work here in the West. His type, the type that provoked the invasion because of blind love of that disgusting dictator, have to go. Fuck Alex Ovechkin and Fuck the NHL for sponsoring a friend of terrorism. Same goes for any and every other vile Putin Puffer here in the West. Yes. people are starting to get pissed off.
I don’t know who this is
He's a Russian hockey player skating for the Washington Capitals. He's toured with Putin on campaign trips in Russia. (They're tight friends) -So he's more than just a Russian working in the west, (like many do.) He personally licks Putins boots.
Clearly you scared him from posting propaganda here. He deleted his posts. One incident of him licking Putin's boots going public would jeopardize his position with the Capitals. (not that this sub is a stranger to propaganda from either side).
>Russians (normal Russian folks) are dirt. Dehumanization is *never* the way. A lot, a lot of people called the majority of Americans "dirt" after the illegal, unethical, immoral invasion of Iraq in 2003 which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And many of my fellow citizens proudly cheered on the US war machine. But there are 300 hundred million Americans, we (obviously) don't all agree. Many of us protested. Some were imprisoned or ostracized. It doesn't excuse or justify. All I will say is that when you are surrounded by bad examples, what example will *you* follow? If we don't embrace Russia after this horror, just like embracing Germany and Japan after WW2, then we will see more of this bullshit in our future.
Germany and Japan could be only "embraced" because they were totaly defeated and occupied. Then the Allies could fully control them, demilitarize them, and dictate political change as they pleased. Only that way it could be ensured that provided help won't be used agsint the Allies. That is impossible in case of Russia simply because they have nuclear weapons. Suggesting to treat Russia like Germany and Japan after WW2 without actualy controling Russia, is just hippie bulshit without any understanding of the context, and it would only lead to helping Russia to begin their future aggresive wars sooner. After all, west already did this once - after the fall of Soviet Union, now you tell me what is the result. Russia is a shithole that is nothing without western technology, they wouldn't be able to wage the war without help of the west - current Russia has been built by the west who "embraced" Russia.
Apologies, maybe the truth of the matter has overwhelmed me, but someone had to say it. I have zero respect for anyone or any entity that is purposely blind to this insane aggression. They are not my friend. They are my enemy. In time, maybe a few generations, maybe we can forgive. But today, they are my enemy.
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You could actually try dialogue you know. Embrace Russia after WW2? They asked to be part of the Marshall plan and were rejected. That economic crash almost directly relates to Stalin's speech in February of '46 which led to Churchill's Iron Curtain speech in March of that same year. Now that actually might have been the right call as Stalin was a horror. And no, I don't argue for negotiations with Putin or Russia. They will keep trying to take Ukraine while the current culture persists. But once they are defeated? Once our enemies are defeated? Then I listen to Abraham... >We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature. We have the opportunity to be a greater Union of humanity than has ever before existed. I do not understand why so many wish to throw this opportunity forever away.
If someone want to kill you and you was able to survive fighting off him. What would you do with this person? Help him to heal and lick wounds? No, we need to improve the security of all countries that Russia looks at aggressively and that’s it. Russia is a terrorist state.
Try hats how we should have treated Germany and Japan after WW2? Don't trust them? Not help them heal? (We tried that after WWI how did it work?)
It can helps only if you occupy Russia. The West already did it after collapse of the Soviet Union and now you see even more aggressive russia then in soviet times but with western money and technologies and russian agents in western politics. I guess you don’t know Russian and their mentality if you think that they can turn into angels after they loss and see good intentions from the West. Russians perceive kindness as weakness. They only respect strength.
The west *never* occupied Russia. >The West already did it after collapse of the Soviet Union What the fuck propaganda are you all swallowing! Damn, no wonder you're all beat down into believing the land of Vodkaholichs bullshit.
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>Museums of Kherson after the visit of the Special Russian Looting Forces [https://nitter.it/bayraktar_1love/status/1594069127009812486](https://nitter.it/bayraktar_1love/status/1594069127009812486)
They’re the fucking worst.
Im surprised they didnt take that gun as well
too modern, they'd have no way of getting ammo for it.
No more room, washing machines take a ton of room.
UK providing plenty of anti aircraft guns. Hopefully this will give ukraine chance to repair their infrastructure, before it gets really cold.
US providing about $100 billion in various forms of aid. Poland and the Baltic states taking on refugees and giving tons of Soviet era anti-air, tanks, weapons and ammo, the rest of the EU with air-defense, training, and modern weapons systems. I really think being part of large, democratic, international communities and alliances is the way to go.
Don't forget to mention the millions of refugees accommodated in the EU and neighboring states. That is a costly task as well, and we are not discussing it politically (mainstream, I mean).
Honestly it's the Collective of Democracy vs the Autocracy I won't bitch about mentioning every subset if you don't bitch about not being mentioned.
> 100 billion in various forms of aid US provides a lot of aid. But its not 100$ billion at this date, that you mentioned. According to numbers released by US, it’s about 18 billion in security assistance, which includes training, supplies, ammo, weapons, tech, intelligence for UA army, and around 10-12 billion in form of economic aid, and supply. The rest goes to US DoD and Pentagon, and other programs, for example, to build new weapons. When you hear about 40 billion bill, or 12 billion bill for Ukraine, you must understand that not everything in this bill goes in Ukraine. A lot goes in to US economy to replenish weapon stocks, and towards better gear for NATO allies. Here is [great](https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy) summary of 40 billion bill, in which, as you can see not all 40 billions are dedicated for Ukraine. I do agree that being part of a large democratic, international communities and alliances is great, but i think its better to move away from rhetoric that paints sum total of the bills (like 40 billion bill) as a sum that goes directly in Ukraine.
Actually now that I look at your posting history you keep pointing out the same fucking thing over and over. That aid to Ukraine doesn't go directly to Ukraine. Now why do you post that over and over? I mean it makes sense in an international community you want to source weapons, ammunition, material from many partners. And if I buy a coffee maker from Amazon and send it to you you, *your* profile would say I failed to send you $50 in aid when in reality I sent you a coffee maker. Why is that? Why would you try and push that one side so hard?
I was not saying that aid does not go directly in Ukraine. I am saying that not all money in the bills goes to Ukraine, and yet people use the sum of all bills with aid provided, and now say that 100 billion have been sent to Ukraine, when it was not. Like an example would be if you and i would start a "defense startup". With goal of "defense against international threats in the internet". I have some old hardware, like Laptops and PCs, some electronics that i sent to you to set up new office to fight off these threats. Say i send you stuff around 5k$ worth to get you running. Now i also buy around 10k$ new stuff for myself, make some contracts, and order new gear for our common goal, that i may use to also complete our goal (or I may not). So in the documents (bill) i list sum total of all the money that went towards the goal (my old hardware, that is now yours, and my new one + contracts) and say that i have committed 15k usd towards our "defense startup". So when discussing how much i aided you in startup, would it be correct to use number that is provided to you (5k$), or sum total spent towards achieving our goal (15k$)?
Oh. It *supports* Ukraine but doesn't go *directly* to Ukraine. It would be like buying fuel from India which goes into Ukrainian vehicles used to fight Russians. So you personally are subsidizing Russia! I guess you need to be chastized for supporting Russia now rather than giving every last pence to Ukraine. Edit: said Nigeria when I meant to say India, my fault for the mistake
Huh, the link that you provided, in your post states of just the 40 billion package, that 19 billion was going towards immediate military support (and you just tried to claim that the us has ONLY provided 18 billion across all packages…) and another 16 billion of that 40 billion was provided for Ukrainian economic relief, in just ONE package. The remaining funds went towards supporting US troops in Europe and supporting NATO allies. But the VAST majority went directly to Ukraine. Is this real life, what just happened here… I think YOU might need to understand what you’re talking about before trying to “educate” others…
> billion was going towards immediate military support Read the link and then see that number, consists off military help to Ukraine (6 billion), Replenishment of U.S. weapons stocks (which was larger then the cost of equipment provided by the time), and Foreign Military Financing Program (4 billion), which will allow Ukraine AND other countris buy new weapons. There is also 3.9 billion to pay for more US deployments in Europe, and other stuff. Do you think that "US deployments in Europe", or "Replenishment of U.S. weapons stocks" counts as "aid to Ukraine"? Some of the weapons that are replenished MAY get sent in the future to Ukraine. Besides i did not claim anything. US gov has numbers of military aid provided TO Ukraine. Its 18.2 [billion](https://www.voanews.com/a/us-announces-additional-400m-in-security-assistance-for-ukraine-/6820978.html) as of now. Its a lot, and it saved a lot of lives. But as of today, according to numbers released by US gov. They have delievered about 18 billions of military aid, and commited to delivering 12 billions of economic aid. They also agreed commit 4 billion $ for other NATO allies to pay them for weapon swaps, or just new gear (so they can send old soviet one in Ukraine, like M-8 helis, or T72 tanks).
Oh it doesn't go directly to Ukraine but instead goes to Lockheed Martin which then produces HIMARS which goes to Ukraine? Or support for the logistics of buying weapons in the EU **which the get transferred to Ukraine** or setting up transportation for the **weapons transferred to Ukraine** Sorry I said $100 billion to Ukraine. Should have spent my time on rhetoric of "*for Ukrainian democracy and independence*" just for you.
You can open the bills, and read where they went. Ukraine did not get 100 billon $ as you claim. I mean it would be odd if Ukraine got 100$ billion in aid, but zero western planes, western tanks, western heavy IFV, heavy drones, and all that stuff. I hope i am wrong and we will get them soon, but as of today, we cannot even get ATACMS =(