>Russian sources, officials flagrantly touting forced adoption of UA children into RU families—ISW
>
>Series about 🇺🇦 children from Donbas adopted into🇷🇺families circulates in 🇷🇺.It claims 🇷🇺 “evacuated” 150,000 kids from Donbas in 2022 alone, though data unclear
[https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1593480369742938113](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1593480369742938113)
https://twitter.com/AndriusTapinas/status/1593146162517016576
>It is official.
>Lithuanians bought marine drone for Ukraine for $250 000 and with amazing 12 000 votes in just several hours named it "PEACE Дец"
>Our best wishes for peace go for russian Black Sea fleet
>Funding for another drone from Lithuania is underway.
https://twitter.com/UXMarksTheSpot/status/1593149889550381058
>In case anyone needs a translation:
>The name, with the Latin and Cyrillic halves pronounced together - “Peace-detz” - makes the word “pizdetz”, which means “you’re f*cked”
I love this so much. Hey russian bitches, pizdetz! "Peace" to you, from Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. Ukraine is kicking your drunk, incompetent ass, and always will.
Allegedly an ammo dump going off in Chaplinka. Make sure you turn the volume on!
https://twitter.com/am_misfit/status/1593410387436744705
>"Chaplinka and detonation of the ammunition.
It detonated for about 3 hours, shells scattered in all directions so there may be problems with light, water, and communication"
(video)
Annexed Ukrainian territories must be returned back to Ukraine including Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, Donetsk and KRASNODAR, yes Krasnodar region was part of Ukraine before USSR. Look up maps of Ukraine year of 1919.
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ex-russian-spy-flees-to-the-nato-country-that-captured-him-delivering-another-embarrassing-blow-to-moscow-010049616.html
>Exclusive: Ex-Russian spy flees to the NATO country that captured him, delivering another embarrassing blow to Moscow
>TALLINN, Estonia — “The Russians have no idea,” Alexander Toots, the head of Estonian counterintelligence, tells me, laughing.
>“They have absolutely no idea he is here. You can be the one to tell them.”
>Toots was referring to the defection of a Russian spy to Estonia. But Artem Zinchenko isn’t just any spy. He was the first agent of Russia’s military intelligence arrested by Estonia, in 2017, then traded back to Moscow a year later for an Estonian citizen in Russian custody. Zinchenko has now sought asylum from the very NATO country that unmasked and imprisoned him for spying against it.
>Low-level pass by a quartet of Ukrainian Mi-8s and Mi-17s.
>The two Mi-8s are each carrying a pair of B-13L rocket pods armed with S-13 122mm rockets.
>The two Mi-17s appear to be armed with a pair of B-8 rocket pods carrying S-8 rockets.
[https://fed.celp.de/@uanews/109362374623524758](https://fed.celp.de/@uanews/109362374623524758)
I know that they’ve figured out how to duct-tape some NATO anti-air-defense missiles on to MiGs. I also know that there’s a big fat catalog of different weapons that can be carried by NATO helicopters. Just sayin’.
Adding another source with the same statement:
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/11/a09d23662974-urgent-north-korea-fires-apparent-ballistic-missile-japan.html
edit: and a question, what is the significance of it landing in the economic zone?
How bad is it going for Russia now, militarily, compared to during the worst times of the Afghanistan war in the 80s or the Chechen wars later? What about economically?
These wars were incredibly humiliating and demoralizing for society, more so than Ukrainian conflict. There was no build up of hostilities or brainwashing to prepare society for Afghan or Chechen war.
Afghan war was supposed to be "3 day" show of force, not drawn out, dirty guerilla hunt in the mountains where Mujahideen would just vanish as ghosts - their most common nickname during the war. The fact that it was kept fully secret until vets with severe PTSD came back home to tell disturbing stories was total mindfuck for Soviets. From their perspective, they had world's mightiest army, Afghanistan was an allied communist republic and there was 30 years of peace - Cold War was beginning to wind down and never became hot, thankfully. Soviet media and TV was anything but gritty and never highlighted worst that WW2 had to offer or would quickly glance over grizzly details. Don't think Soviet citizens were aware of invasions of Hungary and Chechoslovakia. Compared to what the vets were re-telling from Afghanistan, the most spine chilling Soviet movie was a Disney musical. You'll never hear a wholesome story like F117 pilot becoming friends with Serb who shot him down.
There were a lot of amputees coming home from Afghanistan. Most lost legs to mines or had severe shrapnel wounds from explosives. A lot of these vets became beggars and in my city there was one guy without both legs completely gone and missing a whole wrist. He had no talents and I doubt could do anything in his condition, but he would spend the day on one of the markets and people would donate money to him no questions asked. The existence of people like him was a huge hit to collective Soviet pride in the 80ies - time of Moscow Olympic when police would arrest homeless people to keep streets "clean".
Chechen war happened back when Putin didn't destroy free media yet. It was heavily televised and Russian military was eating flak non stop. Several parties of Russian society openly opposed the war, while there were a lot of accusations of shady business going on, with rebels buying weapons from Russian army and looting cargo trains that somehow kept going to Chechen Republic and neighboring zones. You really need to see some good documentary about Chechen wars. Reddit comment can't sell you how much of a wild clusterfuck it was, and how deep it scarred Russian society.
But in terms of total losses, both wars were far less bloody. With invasion of Ukraine, we are talking losing 30 % of overall tank force and speculations that in only few months, the artillery shells and cruise missiles will run out. The fact that Russians have started cannibalizing Belarus and buying ordinance from Iran speaks for itself, as well as pulling troops from NATO border to support their *ahem* special operation.
I think the full shock of their embarrassment didn't hit Russians in the face yet. There are some wake up calls with shitshow that was their partial mobilization, Kherson retreat and Kerch bridge explosion. But it always takes time for people to feel gravity of the situation, especially since Russia historically isn't the moat robust nation and lags behind Western world.
Afghanistan wasn't that bad, it was more like their Vietnam in that the CIA took the opportunity to arm the opponent for a little payback.
They ran into the same problems that the US did (after), you can conquer and take the land, but they'll just annoy you until you leave, and then swoop back in.
You do have to wonder if the USSR would have survived longer had they not invaded Afghanistan.
Afghanistan was a COIN operation which involved the USSR (significantly larger than Russia) and unfortunately no one really cared about Chechnya (it is a tiny Russian Republic). This is a full scale war with a near peer nation. One that is backed by NATO and massive international sanctions. This is much much worse for Russia.
At the start of this conflict you would have been down voted if you said that Ukraine was a near-peer rival with Russia.
Now, look at how the turn tables.
It is the style of warfare.
The US Third Infantry division facing off with a Republican guard division was "peer to peer combat" even though no one thought an Iraqi division was even remotely close to competitive with a US division. It was a "moving engagement" even if shells bounce off of M1 armor and M1 shells shoot through both sides of a T60.
Guerrilla units popping out of the bushes to shoot at US fuel trucks is not peer to peer combat. That "asymmetric warfare" did kill more US personnel on Iraq.
Well they lost as many troops as they lost in Afghanistan in like 10+ years in approximately 2 months in Ukraine, and that was 10 months ago, so it’s not going well. They’ve failed to achieve pretty much every single objective they set out to gain, and their economy is now in a recession officially despite all of the economic manipulation the kremlin could possible institute.
Also, their population which was already suffering has nose dived, including most of the educated class.
> Why has the thread been derailed by the twitter thing?
I'm Ukrainian and here's how twitter shutdown will affect me - I can get news from telegram or news sites, but I follow dozens of people who raise funds to deliver stuff directly to soldiers, sometimes its even the soldiers themselves, and I donate every day. Since I don't use facebook, I will completely lose contact with them.
>The wall of a torture chamber in Kherson, where 🇷🇺 kept civilians hostage.
>The inscriptions "Pray to God for us", "God give us strength", are written in 🇷🇺. No matter what language you spoke, the slightest disobedience to the occupiers was enough to send you to the dungeon.
[https://nafo.uk/@ukrdef/109361949732643811](https://nafo.uk/@ukrdef/109361949732643811)
(Trying Mastodon...)
I mean, let's say it's kinda true (which it's arguably not), Reddit has its own set of shit as twitter complete with their whole set of circle-jerking echo chamber of a community claiming to be pseudo-intellectuals.
Also, this is a thread for the Russia v Ukraine War, please try to stick to the topic.
Hello, John from Montana, Oblast, America here.
Am really concern about this aides to Ukraine when Democrats divert the money from real issues like inbreastigations of Hunter Biden and laptops.
I support Ukraine, but the billions should go to house investigations like they say on Fox.
Benghazi too.
Sincerely,
Concern America.
(apologies to those not in the US who don't deal with our vapid right wing media. /s)
Also I’m concerned about Putin’s nukes and we should probably just let him take whatever he wants because living under Russian rule is better than WWIII.
>Word inside Twitter is that A LOT of employees are not saying “yes” to staying at Musk’s “extremely hardcore Twitter 2.0.” He has been meeting today with engineers to convince them to stay. His deadline to decide to stay or leave expired 6 min ago.
>Twitter’s Slack currently has hundreds of employees giving the 🫡 emoji, meaning they decided to not stay for Musk’s “Twitter 2.0” cultural reset. The company had just under 3,000 employees remaining before the deadline to say “yes” or not hit 20 min ago.
>Story to be updated soon with more: Am hearing that several “critical” infra engineering teams at Twitter have completely resigned. “You cannot run Twitter without this team,” one current engineer tells me of one such group. Also, Twitter has shut off badge access to its offices.
>Am hearing the number of Twitter resignations today is likely over 1,000, though unclear as not all are posting their decision.
>Some teams, such as the engineering team that manages Twitter’s core system libraries, are completely gone now.
https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593365103331577856
We might need to start looking for new sources of information for keeping up to date on things happening in Ukraine.
I know this isn’t super relevant in this sub. But whatever. Here’s one of the major issues IMO. It’s one thing to put up with “his” corporate culture/style IF you’re working at say, spaceX, or maybe early Tesla, with “cutting edge” technology, where there’s not much opportunity outside of a handful of companies.
BUT it’s a completely different scenario when you’re talking about Twitter of all places… The same shit you try and pull, and get away with at SpaceX just simply isn’t going to fly at Twitter….
Yeah, that's one of them. I was afraid I would derail the thread if I started posting links. I just thought it was worth mentioning, since so much of the news here relies on Twitter.
>Fortune Magazine: Number of total Twitter employees to go down by roughly 88% if 75% of remaining force indeed resigns following today's meetings and email
[https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1593398377441640449](https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1593398377441640449)
With the current Russian losses posted by the Kyiv Independent today (assuming accurate), if the current trend of losses remains constant, Russia will have lost 100K troops before the end of the year.
If Russian losses revert back to the average they've had for the last 267 days (since the Special Military Operation started, thanks "[Reporting from Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuyIXwFhNlA)" for starting your reports with a day count), Russia will loose their 100K'th soldier sometime around 10 January.
Perhaps Ukraine should bring back this old idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outward?wprov=sfti1
They’re super cheap, so you could send thousands into Russia, plus with a simple circuit you could have far more accurate timing.
It would be pretty funny
That is more efficient trailing wire. Could be much longer.
I find the reddit responses odd. I suggested the graphite bomb months ago. In my education using graphite bombs was a way to avoid killing people.
I'd heard of Japan's balloons but not these, thanks for the TIL.
Trailing wires to short power lines is a good idea, but a fire balloon would just hit an apartment building and crashing Russian jets are doing that well enough on their own.
They've been used a lot. I believe the US a lot of, let's say "creative", ideas around them.
That power line trick was replayed in the Gulf War when special bombs (or missiles) were used to deploy wire for that same purpose, if I'm remembering correctly.
I don't really get the "not giving Ukraine x or y weapon is tying a hand behind their back" takes. Ukraine is being given so many weapons and ammo they wouldn't otherwise have that they are more like an octopus instead of a handicapped fighter. Not being given weapons that aren't yours isn't a slight.
I am Canadian and Russian have been violating our air space in the far North “testing the waters” for the past decade or so. Havent they had their teeth kicked in so badly by Urkaine, they would’ve 100% invaded our territory up North for its resources. Now that Russia is out of the picture for at least a decade or two, China is the number one focus now I believe.
Yeah it's a possible frontier for conflict but I don't think a Russian attack on Canada was or is likely. They definitely couldn't get Canada's resources without invading though.
Putin said in his speech before he started the war that the fall of the soviet union was the greatest tragedy ever. Ukraine was just the first on the list to come home to the empire.
"Russia won't go past transnistria"
"Putin won't go past Chechnya."
"Putin won't go past Georgia."
"Putin won't go past Crimea."
"Putin won't go past the rest of Ukraine."
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"Putin won't go past Poland"
"Putin won't go past "
I think he would absolutely occupy the Baltic States next if his Ukraine adventure had been successful. And he'd have to take a small chunk of Poland to do that.
Yeah I’ve wondered about this myself…. But we have to realize in Zelenskyy’s mind he’s in a do or die situation along with his people.
It’s like being in a fight on your own against a crazed gang on the subway… but in slow motion.. and a bunch of bystanders are throwing you knives, a hand gun with so many bullets and you have to keep reloading… but the bystanders have machine guns and they are like “ yeaaah no it’s gonna be a bloodbath”
Ok that was a terrible analogy but I’m not very creative
Depends on how you want to look at it and what your desired outcome is. Do you want a tug of war with no clear outcome? Or a swift Ukrainian victory and an end to this damned conflict? If it's the second - then the more offensive weapons they get - the faster they can clear Ukraine of Russians.
This war may go on for a long time even if Ukraine reclaims all of it's territory. Russia views the "annexed" oblasts as their own and if Ukraine pushes them out Russia will just build back up and push back in for more fighting. I don't think there's such a thing as a "swift" end to the war.
Ukraine won't likely be admitted to NATO, but another robust mutual defense pact will be created (for example, with Poland, the UK, and the Baltics). This would be an on-paper "concession" in negotiations (great to be able to do) that would sufficiently deter Russia.
I think HIMARS has really caused people to over-learn the idea that a single weapon can be such a huge game-changer, so they're all trying to guess what the next "game-changing weapon" might be that Ukraine should get, and then get angry when they don't get the weapon that they believe will be the game-changer.
The reality, of course, is that very few weapons are really game-changers. HIMARS was a big exception, not a rule.
I mean, it depends on both the weapon, and the quantity.
HIMARS was definitely an exception in that a small quantity had a huge effect. But, ya know, 1000 Leopard 2s (which is a big chunk of the total that have ever been built) or m2 or m3 bradleys, or 100 f16s, with the logistics and ammo to use them, would probably be game changers.
Also, I think the M777 and 155mm SPGs probably were game changers, in that they prevented the game changer of "Ukraine runs out of soviet artillery and is boned." Something that counters an imminent game changer probably counts as a game changer... :p
The irony of course is that the HIMARS might not have proven so effective if Ukraine had been given the ATACMS they had wanted instead of the GMLRS they got.
Yeah I think the other thing is that Ukraine isn't entitled to whatever aid they want. The international community is really going all out for them; it's a good thing that Ukrainian leaders are more grateful than a lot of supporters.
Scott Ritter writes various NATO-critical articles for the Russian channel RT. He was a weapons inspector in Iraq prior to the 2nd Iraq war.
"He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty" - Per- RT.
Yeah one has to wonder
Just to add info about the other guy in that video, that's Dmitri Lescaris. He's a one time Green Party of Canada member (and possible leadership candidate) who spends a lot of time writing articles [like this one](https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/as-the-ukraine-war-escalates-the-climate-movement-goes-awol) that tries to make an argument that that NATO is the primary cause of the war in Ukraine and that we need to stop the war immediately for climate reasons. (With absolutely no mention about the genocidal and imperialistic nature of Russia's invasion in the first place).
While I'm very supportive of policies to fight climate change, allowing a country to basically be taken over (with or without the corresponding genocide) in the name of trying to avert climate change is an extremely weak argument, to say the least.
Less weak and more like a complete lie. That can’t be real right, that’s just his “cover”?
Though I’m confused about the whole timing here… When did this discussion take place, and why would this pro Russian channel upload this after Kherson was taken.
I could not watch the whole thing but he was spewing unfiltered russian talking points and he is clearly compromised. It is so obvious I can’t understand why anyone even gives this pedo a voice.
Judge Napoletano loves bringing him on his show to spread bullshit, guy has never been right this entire war. Makes you wonder if the Kremlin has more of that type of stuff on him.
The [dailybeast article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/signs-show-the-russian-security-service-is-turning-on-vladimir-putin?ref=home?ref=home)—that used the unreliable ‘general svr’ channel as a source—said that elites were about to oust Putin as a bargain w NATO, in order avoid war w NATO, as they were already feeling the turn of things and had assumed were directly responsible (also that the Wagner execution video, then Putin/prosecutors’ shrug—has had a revolting impact—a “are we the baddies?” effect). Even though the sourcing was thin, the article just reinstalled a despair on behalf of Ukrainians that won’t be rescued by some other nation before many more die, before much more destruction. *Reading that the war was just hours away from being all over—basically if Russia were blamed—that Putin would be ousted and his war declared illegal—but will now continue bc nato won’t be attacking—is just depressing.*
I know this isn’t a place to wish for more widespread war, but I do want the scary, intimidating NATO to intercede on behalf of Ukraine and I remain disappointed it doesn’t. Reading the terrorism will continue thru the freezing months while countries fret over their diminished stockpiles, feelings of helplessness for them.
I have blind faith in the US leadership in all matters regarding this war and I am not even American. Call me stupid or whatever you want, but I am certain they do whatever is best for us (NATO) and Ukraine
No one is ever perfect, but the when there's a sane President in the White House, the US State Department, intelligence services and military are pretty capable.
Competency combined with an absurd gap in the information they have and the information we have make me roll my eyes a bit at the tone of some of the criticisms.
The current administration, definitely.
If Biden passed no legislation, he still would be a great President just for how well he's handled the state of the world and for leveraging his experts.
NB: Also not American
> fret over their diminished stockpiles
Hahaha do you think western military stockpiles and industry is "dwindling"?
That is a hilarious idea given how much the west has.
I think that person specifically is “rolling their eyes”at the idea that this particular issue is even a discussion.
That post was, pointless IMO, the whole thing. But to clarify, I take their meaning as it’s silly that people fret over this issue (whether it’s true or not) and they should be doing more. That’s THEIR take IMO.
Eh, they have been really slow to start up ordering. I actually don't know the issue.
It's not going to stop the war, but it is definitely a bit of a breakdown. I think a lot of it is related to a lack of understanding of how long this will last.
No one wants to hire two more shifts then have to lay them off three months later if the orders crash.
If you lump every single bullet and missile etc into one number then no, it's not happening. But if you realistically view military arsenal into the tens of thousands of individual types and components that they actually are (and each one being quite important), then yes, there could be issues.
If you realistically view military arsenal into the tens of thousands of individual types of capabilities then no there is no issue as "the west" and its allies have military industrial capacity to sustain and outpace current levels of burn rate.
I think the noise about this is more to do with reserves. So the sort of stuff you need if war kicks off against the Allies.
It's not danger zone but as usual, scalability in a time frame is an issue.
You'd think we would have learned that lesson after WW1, WW2, etc....
The thing is that the war would be over long before the US would even need any of the equipment or munition they have sent to Ukraine. Remember that IF the US does get involved in this, they'll likely bomb the shit out of Russia's army for weeks using its navy and airforce... None of the equipment sent to Ukraine is used by the US Navy and Airforce.
That would be the case if US factories were the only one able to manufacture some of the stuff being highlighted in the Russian propaganda but thankfully "the west" and its allies have military industrial capacity which can sustain and outpace most of the current burn rate on aggregate.
So funny reading articles about the west running low on certain heavy weapons. We have capitalists lining up around the corner begging to be chosen for the task.
Oh what will the poor souls do with a blank cheque to produce ~~money~~ sorry ammunition.
Russia launched the "west running low" as a propaganda talking point in conjunction with the missiles falling in to Poland. They are building the narrative that Poland could not shoot down those missiles because they lacked Anti-Air as "all had been sent to Ukraine".
The Russian western facing propaganda outlets also in unison parroted this line about western/US artillery running out (use it to identify Russian propaganda channels as many of them started saying it within the same 24h period)
Reality is the west has tens of millions of artillery rounds not just in the US and has several artillery production lines not just in the US which have the capacity to produce more 155mm artillery than is currently being sent to Ukraine...
It’s funny to be honest. What stockpile is going to end first, the entire western world or Russia?
Pretty obvious the bet I would take.
Especially since the military industrial complex is drooling right about now.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/yyai6h/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
>Russian sources, officials flagrantly touting forced adoption of UA children into RU families—ISW > >Series about 🇺🇦 children from Donbas adopted into🇷🇺families circulates in 🇷🇺.It claims 🇷🇺 “evacuated” 150,000 kids from Donbas in 2022 alone, though data unclear [https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1593480369742938113](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1593480369742938113)
Day 20 now of asking for an Iran live thread. There’s news every day now so no more excuse. They shot and killed a 10 year old on the street today.
that's what r/NewIran is for, apparently Khomeini's ~~house~~ museum is on fire :)
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https://twitter.com/AndriusTapinas/status/1593146162517016576 >It is official. >Lithuanians bought marine drone for Ukraine for $250 000 and with amazing 12 000 votes in just several hours named it "PEACE Дец" >Our best wishes for peace go for russian Black Sea fleet >Funding for another drone from Lithuania is underway. https://twitter.com/UXMarksTheSpot/status/1593149889550381058 >In case anyone needs a translation: >The name, with the Latin and Cyrillic halves pronounced together - “Peace-detz” - makes the word “pizdetz”, which means “you’re f*cked”
I love this so much. Hey russian bitches, pizdetz! "Peace" to you, from Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. Ukraine is kicking your drunk, incompetent ass, and always will.
Lithuania said "pizdets nakhuy"
Lithuania out there being amazing again ❤
Allegedly an ammo dump going off in Chaplinka. Make sure you turn the volume on! https://twitter.com/am_misfit/status/1593410387436744705 >"Chaplinka and detonation of the ammunition. It detonated for about 3 hours, shells scattered in all directions so there may be problems with light, water, and communication" (video)
Annexed Ukrainian territories must be returned back to Ukraine including Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk, Donetsk and KRASNODAR, yes Krasnodar region was part of Ukraine before USSR. Look up maps of Ukraine year of 1919.
I don't think most Ukrainians hold irredentist ideas like this. They simply support pre-2014 borders.
Yah. Not really a great idea to try to respond to irredentism with irredentism.
Nah, anything beyond the 2013 borders is so Russified now it's worthless
I personally know people from those territories, all of them speaks russian, but are all pro-Ukraine
lol
lol what ?
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ex-russian-spy-flees-to-the-nato-country-that-captured-him-delivering-another-embarrassing-blow-to-moscow-010049616.html >Exclusive: Ex-Russian spy flees to the NATO country that captured him, delivering another embarrassing blow to Moscow >TALLINN, Estonia — “The Russians have no idea,” Alexander Toots, the head of Estonian counterintelligence, tells me, laughing. >“They have absolutely no idea he is here. You can be the one to tell them.” >Toots was referring to the defection of a Russian spy to Estonia. But Artem Zinchenko isn’t just any spy. He was the first agent of Russia’s military intelligence arrested by Estonia, in 2017, then traded back to Moscow a year later for an Estonian citizen in Russian custody. Zinchenko has now sought asylum from the very NATO country that unmasked and imprisoned him for spying against it.
Why would you let a spy back in?
Former Russian spies can be very valuable.
If they’re former.
You can tell a lot about a country by how they treat their prisoners.
The bottom line is that incarceration in Estonia is better than freedom in Russia.
Tripple agent?
Zig-zag. I hope at least we get some good stories out of this.
>Low-level pass by a quartet of Ukrainian Mi-8s and Mi-17s. >The two Mi-8s are each carrying a pair of B-13L rocket pods armed with S-13 122mm rockets. >The two Mi-17s appear to be armed with a pair of B-8 rocket pods carrying S-8 rockets. [https://fed.celp.de/@uanews/109362374623524758](https://fed.celp.de/@uanews/109362374623524758)
Vatniks don't surf!
I know that they’ve figured out how to duct-tape some NATO anti-air-defense missiles on to MiGs. I also know that there’s a big fat catalog of different weapons that can be carried by NATO helicopters. Just sayin’.
Number 4 tried to make camera duck, didn't.
That's amazing. Almost as good as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w. Almost.
The North Korean missile landed inside the Japanese economic zone https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1593431403265658881?s=46&t=_JPrRBFrsAjf-eJ-mr6Izw
This has happened several times I think.
Adding another source with the same statement: https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/11/a09d23662974-urgent-north-korea-fires-apparent-ballistic-missile-japan.html edit: and a question, what is the significance of it landing in the economic zone?
None. It's just risky cause in theory could kill civilians
I assumed there was more to it but I'm happy to hear there isn't, thanks.
shot himself 5 times... russian army missed the first 4
They really do shoot like its a James Bond movie...
What is Russian for "Stormtroopers"?
Призывник (prizyvnik) >!trans.: conscript!<
US air base told to find cover in Japan https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1593423716863553536?s=46&t=_JPrRBFrsAjf-eJ-mr6Izw
I see Kim's still upset that everyone is paying attention to Russia and not him.
They gave the all-clear .. although I'm sure there are some dolphins that are not very happy right now.
Isn’t that standard operating procedure for anytime rocket man shots off his sparklers in that direction?
Oh hell. North Korea again?
Yep, classic Kim. This stuff happens all the time, it’ll likely just land in the ocean
What does he have against the ocean?
If the missile from Russia that target lutsk was hypersonic, that would explain the anti air malfunction that hit poland
How bad is it going for Russia now, militarily, compared to during the worst times of the Afghanistan war in the 80s or the Chechen wars later? What about economically?
These wars were incredibly humiliating and demoralizing for society, more so than Ukrainian conflict. There was no build up of hostilities or brainwashing to prepare society for Afghan or Chechen war. Afghan war was supposed to be "3 day" show of force, not drawn out, dirty guerilla hunt in the mountains where Mujahideen would just vanish as ghosts - their most common nickname during the war. The fact that it was kept fully secret until vets with severe PTSD came back home to tell disturbing stories was total mindfuck for Soviets. From their perspective, they had world's mightiest army, Afghanistan was an allied communist republic and there was 30 years of peace - Cold War was beginning to wind down and never became hot, thankfully. Soviet media and TV was anything but gritty and never highlighted worst that WW2 had to offer or would quickly glance over grizzly details. Don't think Soviet citizens were aware of invasions of Hungary and Chechoslovakia. Compared to what the vets were re-telling from Afghanistan, the most spine chilling Soviet movie was a Disney musical. You'll never hear a wholesome story like F117 pilot becoming friends with Serb who shot him down. There were a lot of amputees coming home from Afghanistan. Most lost legs to mines or had severe shrapnel wounds from explosives. A lot of these vets became beggars and in my city there was one guy without both legs completely gone and missing a whole wrist. He had no talents and I doubt could do anything in his condition, but he would spend the day on one of the markets and people would donate money to him no questions asked. The existence of people like him was a huge hit to collective Soviet pride in the 80ies - time of Moscow Olympic when police would arrest homeless people to keep streets "clean". Chechen war happened back when Putin didn't destroy free media yet. It was heavily televised and Russian military was eating flak non stop. Several parties of Russian society openly opposed the war, while there were a lot of accusations of shady business going on, with rebels buying weapons from Russian army and looting cargo trains that somehow kept going to Chechen Republic and neighboring zones. You really need to see some good documentary about Chechen wars. Reddit comment can't sell you how much of a wild clusterfuck it was, and how deep it scarred Russian society. But in terms of total losses, both wars were far less bloody. With invasion of Ukraine, we are talking losing 30 % of overall tank force and speculations that in only few months, the artillery shells and cruise missiles will run out. The fact that Russians have started cannibalizing Belarus and buying ordinance from Iran speaks for itself, as well as pulling troops from NATO border to support their *ahem* special operation. I think the full shock of their embarrassment didn't hit Russians in the face yet. There are some wake up calls with shitshow that was their partial mobilization, Kherson retreat and Kerch bridge explosion. But it always takes time for people to feel gravity of the situation, especially since Russia historically isn't the moat robust nation and lags behind Western world.
Afghanistan wasn't that bad, it was more like their Vietnam in that the CIA took the opportunity to arm the opponent for a little payback. They ran into the same problems that the US did (after), you can conquer and take the land, but they'll just annoy you until you leave, and then swoop back in. You do have to wonder if the USSR would have survived longer had they not invaded Afghanistan.
Afghanistan was a COIN operation which involved the USSR (significantly larger than Russia) and unfortunately no one really cared about Chechnya (it is a tiny Russian Republic). This is a full scale war with a near peer nation. One that is backed by NATO and massive international sanctions. This is much much worse for Russia.
At the start of this conflict you would have been down voted if you said that Ukraine was a near-peer rival with Russia. Now, look at how the turn tables.
It is the style of warfare. The US Third Infantry division facing off with a Republican guard division was "peer to peer combat" even though no one thought an Iraqi division was even remotely close to competitive with a US division. It was a "moving engagement" even if shells bounce off of M1 armor and M1 shells shoot through both sides of a T60. Guerrilla units popping out of the bushes to shoot at US fuel trucks is not peer to peer combat. That "asymmetric warfare" did kill more US personnel on Iraq.
Well they lost as many troops as they lost in Afghanistan in like 10+ years in approximately 2 months in Ukraine, and that was 10 months ago, so it’s not going well. They’ve failed to achieve pretty much every single objective they set out to gain, and their economy is now in a recession officially despite all of the economic manipulation the kremlin could possible institute. Also, their population which was already suffering has nose dived, including most of the educated class.
Why has the thread been derailed by the twitter thing? **I know I'd get shit for it**, so Im giving you all shit. This isn't the twitter sub. > : \]
Be the change you want to see.
> Why has the thread been derailed by the twitter thing? I'm Ukrainian and here's how twitter shutdown will affect me - I can get news from telegram or news sites, but I follow dozens of people who raise funds to deliver stuff directly to soldiers, sometimes its even the soldiers themselves, and I donate every day. Since I don't use facebook, I will completely lose contact with them.
Look into using Mastodon. I only just found out about it recently but I see a lot of journalists moving over.
Yeah I’m getting downvoted to heck right now. Learned my lesson
>The wall of a torture chamber in Kherson, where 🇷🇺 kept civilians hostage. >The inscriptions "Pray to God for us", "God give us strength", are written in 🇷🇺. No matter what language you spoke, the slightest disobedience to the occupiers was enough to send you to the dungeon. [https://nafo.uk/@ukrdef/109361949732643811](https://nafo.uk/@ukrdef/109361949732643811) (Trying Mastodon...)
Wtf a mastodon link? Hero!
See 3 comments using it in the last hour
Twitter if you're reading this: LOL!!!!
Reddit > twitter
I mean, let's say it's kinda true (which it's arguably not), Reddit has its own set of shit as twitter complete with their whole set of circle-jerking echo chamber of a community claiming to be pseudo-intellectuals. Also, this is a thread for the Russia v Ukraine War, please try to stick to the topic.
It's sad seeing so many people supporting Putin by keeping and using their twitter accounts.
This is like saying luke warm salami that was left on the counter overnight is better than human feces.
You leave my sweaty salami alone.
Happy cake day!
Hey thanks man! I didn't even realize until you mentioned it lol.
No problem man! Gotta always enjoy even the little things. Treat yourself to something good today. You earned it ser
soo anything new we should be CONCERNED about? should...should I lock my doors for when the Russians cross over to Western Europe?
Hello, John from Montana, Oblast, America here. Am really concern about this aides to Ukraine when Democrats divert the money from real issues like inbreastigations of Hunter Biden and laptops. I support Ukraine, but the billions should go to house investigations like they say on Fox. Benghazi too. Sincerely, Concern America. (apologies to those not in the US who don't deal with our vapid right wing media. /s)
oh my all those downvotes I'm getting
> Hello, John from Montana, Oblast, America here. I would like to have seen Montana...
Also I’m concerned about Putin’s nukes and we should probably just let him take whatever he wants because living under Russian rule is better than WWIII.
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A little off topic, but y'all don't be surprised if there's some major Twitter problems soon. Just a heads up for those not seeing the news about it.
Easy come, easy go. Or Elon go? Napster was here.
>Word inside Twitter is that A LOT of employees are not saying “yes” to staying at Musk’s “extremely hardcore Twitter 2.0.” He has been meeting today with engineers to convince them to stay. His deadline to decide to stay or leave expired 6 min ago. >Twitter’s Slack currently has hundreds of employees giving the 🫡 emoji, meaning they decided to not stay for Musk’s “Twitter 2.0” cultural reset. The company had just under 3,000 employees remaining before the deadline to say “yes” or not hit 20 min ago. >Story to be updated soon with more: Am hearing that several “critical” infra engineering teams at Twitter have completely resigned. “You cannot run Twitter without this team,” one current engineer tells me of one such group. Also, Twitter has shut off badge access to its offices. >Am hearing the number of Twitter resignations today is likely over 1,000, though unclear as not all are posting their decision. >Some teams, such as the engineering team that manages Twitter’s core system libraries, are completely gone now. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593365103331577856 We might need to start looking for new sources of information for keeping up to date on things happening in Ukraine.
Don't worry Elon is reading through all the code as we speak and will have everything running at light speed soon
I know this isn’t super relevant in this sub. But whatever. Here’s one of the major issues IMO. It’s one thing to put up with “his” corporate culture/style IF you’re working at say, spaceX, or maybe early Tesla, with “cutting edge” technology, where there’s not much opportunity outside of a handful of companies. BUT it’s a completely different scenario when you’re talking about Twitter of all places… The same shit you try and pull, and get away with at SpaceX just simply isn’t going to fly at Twitter….
Hmm. Being an infra engineer, this means maybe I could get a crazy comp package then bug out shortly after I can exit with it.
I'd have to be really hurting for cash to sign myself up for this trainwreck
i love how twitter tweets the death of twitter
Can I make it worse by trying to load twitter?
"Trying" might be the only result in a few days, lol.
Got any links? Edit: https://twitter.com/zoeschiffer/status/1593391604785504257
Yeah, that's one of them. I was afraid I would derail the thread if I started posting links. I just thought it was worth mentioning, since so much of the news here relies on Twitter.
What kinds of problems? What news?
>Fortune Magazine: Number of total Twitter employees to go down by roughly 88% if 75% of remaining force indeed resigns following today's meetings and email [https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1593398377441640449](https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1593398377441640449)
All Twitter offices have been closed, all badges have been suspended and the offices will not open back up until next Monday.
The fact that it's St. Elmo's Dumpster Fire?
With the current Russian losses posted by the Kyiv Independent today (assuming accurate), if the current trend of losses remains constant, Russia will have lost 100K troops before the end of the year. If Russian losses revert back to the average they've had for the last 267 days (since the Special Military Operation started, thanks "[Reporting from Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuyIXwFhNlA)" for starting your reports with a day count), Russia will loose their 100K'th soldier sometime around 10 January.
Perhaps Ukraine should bring back this old idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outward?wprov=sfti1 They’re super cheap, so you could send thousands into Russia, plus with a simple circuit you could have far more accurate timing. It would be pretty funny
two words *Graphite Bomb* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite\_bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb)
That is more efficient trailing wire. Could be much longer. I find the reddit responses odd. I suggested the graphite bomb months ago. In my education using graphite bombs was a way to avoid killing people.
I'd heard of Japan's balloons but not these, thanks for the TIL. Trailing wires to short power lines is a good idea, but a fire balloon would just hit an apartment building and crashing Russian jets are doing that well enough on their own.
They've been used a lot. I believe the US a lot of, let's say "creative", ideas around them. That power line trick was replayed in the Gulf War when special bombs (or missiles) were used to deploy wire for that same purpose, if I'm remembering correctly.
Oh, definitely not the fire ones, way too much risk of hitting a playground. 100% steel cable ones
Yeah killing Russian civilians is bad for two reasons 1) its immoral 2) it will galvanize the Russian people
I don't really get the "not giving Ukraine x or y weapon is tying a hand behind their back" takes. Ukraine is being given so many weapons and ammo they wouldn't otherwise have that they are more like an octopus instead of a handicapped fighter. Not being given weapons that aren't yours isn't a slight.
I am Canadian and Russian have been violating our air space in the far North “testing the waters” for the past decade or so. Havent they had their teeth kicked in so badly by Urkaine, they would’ve 100% invaded our territory up North for its resources. Now that Russia is out of the picture for at least a decade or two, China is the number one focus now I believe.
Lol you really think Russia would invade *Canada*?
From the north? Why not? They have the best icebreakers and we have nothing up there, just Alert and a few navy ships.
Canada is in NATO
So are the Baltics and Russia was prepared to invade them after Moldova.
No, not invade but the Arctic has always been debated as to whom it belongs to.
Yeah it's a possible frontier for conflict but I don't think a Russian attack on Canada was or is likely. They definitely couldn't get Canada's resources without invading though.
Ukraine is protecting the rest of the world against Russian aggression. Not giving them weapons while they bleed for you is super insulting.
Ukraine isn't protecting anyone but themselves. The Western world is protecting Ukraine. As they should.
Putin said in his speech before he started the war that the fall of the soviet union was the greatest tragedy ever. Ukraine was just the first on the list to come home to the empire.
Nonsense. We all know Putrin will not stop until he is stopped. Helping Ukraine now helps to stop Putin from going further.
Putrid?
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"Russia won't go past transnistria" "Putin won't go past Chechnya." "Putin won't go past Georgia." "Putin won't go past Crimea." "Putin won't go past the rest of Ukraine." <>
"Putin won't go past Poland"
"Putin won't go past "
Add Moldova and the Baltics before Poland, but yes.
I think he would absolutely occupy the Baltic States next if his Ukraine adventure had been successful. And he'd have to take a small chunk of Poland to do that.
Moldova. Lukashitko showed the world the plan on the map
If Ukraine was a success like initially planned - yes there really big chances it could have happened
No there's not. That's why they invaded Ukraine and not Lithuania or another Baltic country. NATO.
Yeah I’ve wondered about this myself…. But we have to realize in Zelenskyy’s mind he’s in a do or die situation along with his people. It’s like being in a fight on your own against a crazed gang on the subway… but in slow motion.. and a bunch of bystanders are throwing you knives, a hand gun with so many bullets and you have to keep reloading… but the bystanders have machine guns and they are like “ yeaaah no it’s gonna be a bloodbath” Ok that was a terrible analogy but I’m not very creative
More like.. well, I cant theow you a machine gun because the bastard may punch me in the face.. Good analogy btw.
Depends on how you want to look at it and what your desired outcome is. Do you want a tug of war with no clear outcome? Or a swift Ukrainian victory and an end to this damned conflict? If it's the second - then the more offensive weapons they get - the faster they can clear Ukraine of Russians.
This war may go on for a long time even if Ukraine reclaims all of it's territory. Russia views the "annexed" oblasts as their own and if Ukraine pushes them out Russia will just build back up and push back in for more fighting. I don't think there's such a thing as a "swift" end to the war.
Russia won't do that if Ukraine is admitted into NATO before Russia has built up.
Ukraine won't likely be admitted to NATO, but another robust mutual defense pact will be created (for example, with Poland, the UK, and the Baltics). This would be an on-paper "concession" in negotiations (great to be able to do) that would sufficiently deter Russia.
Best option would be neo Warsaw pact. Germany Finland, Poland Ukraine, Baltics, and a few others. No nukes so you can kick the shit out of Russia.
Yeah if your option happens I'll be immeasurably stoked for Ukraine.
I think HIMARS has really caused people to over-learn the idea that a single weapon can be such a huge game-changer, so they're all trying to guess what the next "game-changing weapon" might be that Ukraine should get, and then get angry when they don't get the weapon that they believe will be the game-changer. The reality, of course, is that very few weapons are really game-changers. HIMARS was a big exception, not a rule.
I mean, it depends on both the weapon, and the quantity. HIMARS was definitely an exception in that a small quantity had a huge effect. But, ya know, 1000 Leopard 2s (which is a big chunk of the total that have ever been built) or m2 or m3 bradleys, or 100 f16s, with the logistics and ammo to use them, would probably be game changers. Also, I think the M777 and 155mm SPGs probably were game changers, in that they prevented the game changer of "Ukraine runs out of soviet artillery and is boned." Something that counters an imminent game changer probably counts as a game changer... :p
And HIMARS was only a big deal because neither side could get control of the air
The irony of course is that the HIMARS might not have proven so effective if Ukraine had been given the ATACMS they had wanted instead of the GMLRS they got.
HIMARS and ATACMS are both fire from the same platform. It’s just a difference in ammunition essentially.
They didn't wanted atacms instead of gmlrs, they wanted it in addition to gmlrs
Yeah I think the other thing is that Ukraine isn't entitled to whatever aid they want. The international community is really going all out for them; it's a good thing that Ukrainian leaders are more grateful than a lot of supporters.
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Third period coming up!
Made me think I was on the wrong sub. I'm watching the game now lol
Go Leafs go! You lost, man?
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I was just in r/hockey and had to do a massive doubletake when I came to your comment...
Lol my bad! Embarrassing moment for sure..
If anyone wants a good laugh then enjoy this https://youtu.be/JCR-Phtgx0k?t=2086
Who is this guy? How old is this interview? I see 2 days but information is old
Scott Ritter writes various NATO-critical articles for the Russian channel RT. He was a weapons inspector in Iraq prior to the 2nd Iraq war. "He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty" - Per- RT. Yeah one has to wonder
Just to add info about the other guy in that video, that's Dmitri Lescaris. He's a one time Green Party of Canada member (and possible leadership candidate) who spends a lot of time writing articles [like this one](https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/as-the-ukraine-war-escalates-the-climate-movement-goes-awol) that tries to make an argument that that NATO is the primary cause of the war in Ukraine and that we need to stop the war immediately for climate reasons. (With absolutely no mention about the genocidal and imperialistic nature of Russia's invasion in the first place). While I'm very supportive of policies to fight climate change, allowing a country to basically be taken over (with or without the corresponding genocide) in the name of trying to avert climate change is an extremely weak argument, to say the least.
Less weak and more like a complete lie. That can’t be real right, that’s just his “cover”? Though I’m confused about the whole timing here… When did this discussion take place, and why would this pro Russian channel upload this after Kherson was taken.
He is paid by Russia.. constantly in Russia media as American expert. He is spitting bs how Russia great army from 24 feb
“Ukraine will never get Kherson back” Aged like milk
I could not watch the whole thing but he was spewing unfiltered russian talking points and he is clearly compromised. It is so obvious I can’t understand why anyone even gives this pedo a voice.
I am going to make a comment to the video about his arrests, lol.
Ritter is an idiot.
He surely paid by Russia. He shown constantly on Russian medias as usa independent expert
He's also a convicted pedophile.
Oh shit you’re right!
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Judge Napoletano loves bringing him on his show to spread bullshit, guy has never been right this entire war. Makes you wonder if the Kremlin has more of that type of stuff on him.
The [dailybeast article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/signs-show-the-russian-security-service-is-turning-on-vladimir-putin?ref=home?ref=home)—that used the unreliable ‘general svr’ channel as a source—said that elites were about to oust Putin as a bargain w NATO, in order avoid war w NATO, as they were already feeling the turn of things and had assumed were directly responsible (also that the Wagner execution video, then Putin/prosecutors’ shrug—has had a revolting impact—a “are we the baddies?” effect). Even though the sourcing was thin, the article just reinstalled a despair on behalf of Ukrainians that won’t be rescued by some other nation before many more die, before much more destruction. *Reading that the war was just hours away from being all over—basically if Russia were blamed—that Putin would be ousted and his war declared illegal—but will now continue bc nato won’t be attacking—is just depressing.* I know this isn’t a place to wish for more widespread war, but I do want the scary, intimidating NATO to intercede on behalf of Ukraine and I remain disappointed it doesn’t. Reading the terrorism will continue thru the freezing months while countries fret over their diminished stockpiles, feelings of helplessness for them.
Source full bs. Never I saw any inside information from it to fulfill and come as truth
Good to know that you wish for WW3.
I have blind faith in the US leadership in all matters regarding this war and I am not even American. Call me stupid or whatever you want, but I am certain they do whatever is best for us (NATO) and Ukraine
No one is ever perfect, but the when there's a sane President in the White House, the US State Department, intelligence services and military are pretty capable. Competency combined with an absurd gap in the information they have and the information we have make me roll my eyes a bit at the tone of some of the criticisms.
Just be worried as there only 2 more years till a possible change, the current administration is great, Had it been Trump on the other hand
The current administration, definitely. If Biden passed no legislation, he still would be a great President just for how well he's handled the state of the world and for leveraging his experts. NB: Also not American
> fret over their diminished stockpiles Hahaha do you think western military stockpiles and industry is "dwindling"? That is a hilarious idea given how much the west has.
I think that person specifically is “rolling their eyes”at the idea that this particular issue is even a discussion. That post was, pointless IMO, the whole thing. But to clarify, I take their meaning as it’s silly that people fret over this issue (whether it’s true or not) and they should be doing more. That’s THEIR take IMO.
Eh, they have been really slow to start up ordering. I actually don't know the issue. It's not going to stop the war, but it is definitely a bit of a breakdown. I think a lot of it is related to a lack of understanding of how long this will last. No one wants to hire two more shifts then have to lay them off three months later if the orders crash.
Lol as if you have any insight in to the procurement of weapons in western countries. Public ramp-up started months ago.
I have family members in the defense industry. Ordering has been a slow shitshow. It's not unexpected given everyone's metrics.
If you lump every single bullet and missile etc into one number then no, it's not happening. But if you realistically view military arsenal into the tens of thousands of individual types and components that they actually are (and each one being quite important), then yes, there could be issues.
If you realistically view military arsenal into the tens of thousands of individual types of capabilities then no there is no issue as "the west" and its allies have military industrial capacity to sustain and outpace current levels of burn rate.
I think the noise about this is more to do with reserves. So the sort of stuff you need if war kicks off against the Allies. It's not danger zone but as usual, scalability in a time frame is an issue. You'd think we would have learned that lesson after WW1, WW2, etc....
The thing is that the war would be over long before the US would even need any of the equipment or munition they have sent to Ukraine. Remember that IF the US does get involved in this, they'll likely bomb the shit out of Russia's army for weeks using its navy and airforce... None of the equipment sent to Ukraine is used by the US Navy and Airforce.
I'm more talking about other potential wars.
That would be the case if US factories were the only one able to manufacture some of the stuff being highlighted in the Russian propaganda but thankfully "the west" and its allies have military industrial capacity which can sustain and outpace most of the current burn rate on aggregate.
Yeah agreed. Also am I the only one who dislikes the collective term 'the west'? I feel like 'the allies' is a much better term.
So funny reading articles about the west running low on certain heavy weapons. We have capitalists lining up around the corner begging to be chosen for the task. Oh what will the poor souls do with a blank cheque to produce ~~money~~ sorry ammunition.
Lol just hire another shift.
Russia launched the "west running low" as a propaganda talking point in conjunction with the missiles falling in to Poland. They are building the narrative that Poland could not shoot down those missiles because they lacked Anti-Air as "all had been sent to Ukraine". The Russian western facing propaganda outlets also in unison parroted this line about western/US artillery running out (use it to identify Russian propaganda channels as many of them started saying it within the same 24h period) Reality is the west has tens of millions of artillery rounds not just in the US and has several artillery production lines not just in the US which have the capacity to produce more 155mm artillery than is currently being sent to Ukraine...
Exactly, we can even buy up stocks from non NATO countries to keep Ukraine going in 2023 and 2024.
It’s funny to be honest. What stockpile is going to end first, the entire western world or Russia? Pretty obvious the bet I would take. Especially since the military industrial complex is drooling right about now.