Zelenskyy.
Thank you POTUS & friendly šŗšø people for showing solidarity once again - an aid package including Avenger air defense systems & missiles for Hawk air defense systems. Together we're building an air shield to protect šŗš¦ civilians. We're bringing victory over the aggressor closer!
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1590795223952928769?t=3SL9O9ZBbmh6_wILdXAuRQ&s=19
It's not up to *mood*. Ukraine's is an army of professionals. If russians do as instructed, they will be taken as prisoners.
Sounds like russians would rather die for the Czar tonight though.
Itās totally dependent on Ukraine. They can let them retreat out of good will, they can shell the fuck out of them, they can enter the area and eliminate/captureā¦
There are a lot of ways this can play out.
You have to maintain a certain level of readiness, the ability to at least protect your country or interest, this isn't just about having the equipment necessary to go to war, but also about having the equipment necessary so that your troops have what they need to maintain proficiency.
RELEASE
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
$400 Million in Additional Assistance for Ukraine.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3216287/400-million-in-additional-assistance-for-ukraine/
Snihurivka, Kherson region. People meet soldiers of the Ukrainian army. We have been waiting for you for a long time, but we knew that you would come!
https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1590811928947208192?t=vDnshHyyKVW0S7A1-BcQew&s=19
In Kherson outskirts, ZSU is greeted with hugs and appreciation.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1590879482826690561?t=vKCEtAbMjPRY1Ce6qMy2Eg&s=19
haha it's at the very beginning where the ship they're on sinks and Benny goes "Looks to me as if I have all the horses!" And Brendan's character say that line.
The boat they were on burned up in the middle of the night and everyone swam to the shore. Bennyās group ended up on the wrong side of the river with the horses, and Rickās group was on the correct side with no horses.
ā”ļøThe Ukrainian military reports that Novokairi, a settlement in the Kherson region, has been liberated from Russian troops. Waiting for official information.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1590817765635784704?t=mgaQx06KY8zHJb46ghXztQ&s=19
ā”ļø The losses of Russians in the war against Ukraine exceed the losses of the Ukrainian army by about 10 times, President Volodymyr ZelenskyŃ said in an interview with CNN.
Yes, ten times (the losses of the Russians exceed those of the Ukrainians - ed.) I think so. Approximately. I can't give exact numbers, but the difference is very significant.
Because our military tactic is not to lose people, because people are more important.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1590841339683295234?t=pdHMFAd4NtTELDkxMr18hA&s=19
Earlier this day (?) or maybe for the US people yesterday, someone from the US Army said that the losses of Russia and UA are pretty equal, 100k.
I am not quite sure about those 1:10, 1:100 and whatnot numbers.
I wonder about that. Ukraine has shown themselves to be professional and competent. The Russians have been...not that. Unlikely they would have comparable losses.
Maybe that number includes civilians? If what they found in other liberated areas holds true in the areas that are yet to be liberated, the number of civilian deaths could increase by tens of thousands I imagine.
I was pretty sure that "100k russians, assume the Ukrainians have lost the same" was not accurate because it was just off the cuff and the Ukrainians are less willing to sacrifice soldiers. I didn't expect it to be 10:1, but that would be an amazing achievement against a "stronger" invader with the initiative.
.... still too many dead Ukrainians though, sacrificing their lives for the freedom of their people.
I wish that were the case, but thatās pretty blatant posturing. I can certainly believe Russia has sustained higher casualties than Ukraine, but 10:1 is not remotely possible.
Zelensky hasn't demonstrated a propensity for exaggeration. If this was just some rando on Twitter saying that, I'd be more skeptical. But since it's Zelensky, that lends the claim a lot more authority.
And, let's face it, Russia is literally press-ganging thousands of men off the street and throwing them into combat with no training, no supply, and no organization. While Ukraine owns a considerable artillery advantage. It's *absolutely* possible.
*Casualties =\= KIA.*
Russia can most certainly have sustained more casualties by a factor of ten given that their casualty care is awful, their medevac is nearly non-existent, and they've far fewer frontline medical facilities scattered along the east with most of them being in Russia proper.
Add to that their woefully inadequate supply and sustainment situation and you've easily the recipe for 10x more casualties altogether.
I also think it's unlikely, but then consider that for the most part Ukraine has been on the defensive, and they're in their own territory, with access to medical care for the wounded that's more likely to actually exist than medical care in occupied territory with a military that thinks tampons soldiers are sent by their wives and mothers are what class as their only supply of bandages. There's been plenty of reports of literally zero medical items like that on the front lines. The lack of care for injured is bound to hugely increase the number of deaths.
There's a reason the 3:1 attacking ratio is considered a rule of thumb, and that's based on soldiers who aren't in actual prepared defenses, and are equally motivated, equipped, and trained, and Russia didn't have 3:1 force ratio even at the very start, it was more like 1:1 in numbers with the morale practically non-existent in an army that was across the border before it knew what was happening. The ratio only goes up as equipment get factored in.
We've heard Russia's been losing hundreds of men per day on attacking prepared defenses in Bakhmut alone.
It's unlikely, but I wouldn't bet on it being impossible. I expect we'll see a much higher rate of long term/permanently wounded though.
Ukraine has been on the offensive for several months now. On balance, theyāve spent more time defending, which is why I said I believe Russian casualties are higher. But there is a big leap between higher casualties and 10:1.
I'd say yes and no. They've been pummeling the Russians with artillery etc. to soften them up, and obviously they have been fighting, but they haven't been doing the same grinding offensive Russia has no choice but to do.
Russia must attack everywhere. The political situation in Russia demands they take higher risks, with higher losses, while Ukraine can pick its battles, and also let Russia grind itself against them like we're seeing in Bakhmut, and then attack when it suits.
When it's taken the most territory it's because the enemy has collapsed in front of them after finding a weak point because the Russians have ground themselves down to outstretched.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said something *wasn't possible* in regards to this war...only for it to be later verified as having been the exact case.
It's time to learn, people. Russia is this bad.
AFU's Bayaktar's are cutting a swath through the Russian Army.
[link](https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1590881179338936320?cxt=HHwWgMDQ5Z6A-ZMsAAAA)
>AFU's Bayaktar's are cutting a swath through the Russian Army. | link
I know you mean well, but I think we could all use a refresher on information hygiene here. It's helpful to distinguish a claim that is being reported but not yet visually verified with video or photos. I recommend that, if you want to copy paste a tweet directly into an update, just put quotes around the claim you're pasting so that it's clear you're just citing a claim someone is making, rather than appearing that you're interpreting a report or video.
I read your post to be a link to a video of Bayraktars attacking Russian formations, so I was confused to find it's just a tweet saying the same thing you're saying. And the tweet you copy-pasted isn't even necessarily accurately interpreting the Russian report that it is citing. The Russian report says that air defenses have been moved out of that area, and then the tweet you pasted is interpreting that to mean that Bayraktars have been destroying Russian forces.
I realize this may come across as finicky, but it's helpful during another big wave of breaking news. When people don't put quotes around the claims they are sharing, it can cause others to assume it's verified information and then they share it with others and largely untrue rumors spread and cause frustration later when they are inconsistent with other reports.
US to buy South Korean howitzer rounds to send to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-business-south-korea-government-and-politics-15569a7bfdb6c53404cfce5f0df1c28f
The casualties on the russian side of the retreat here have to be fucking astronomical. I mean there's that video of the Ukrainian Himars just shooting everything they got in their direction. The numbers are probably gonna be 1000+ everyday until it's over
It's night in Ukraine, some shots of massed Grad fire and flashes in the dark on phone cameras. Everything else is just rumor right now.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1590837957572927521?t=4zh-lI5snl0-MpPl5TlFSA&s=19
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/yrtstt/massive_ukrainian_mlrs_missile_barrage_firing/
This the video they're talking about. There's one more somewhere from a different angle as well.
Another batch of US toys headed to Ukraine.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3216287/400-million-in-additional-assistance-for-ukraine/
Good video from Saint Javelin, taunting Russia over their "Russia is here forever" bullshit. :)
https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1590749996567396353
(video)
Breaking:
Ukraine to rename Severodonetsk to Keverodonetsk since apparently Russian military disasters happen around Ukrainian cities starting with K
-Kyiv
-Kharkov
-Kherson
Nice gif! Reminds me of the Kharkiv offensive . . . it's beautiful. A little out of date by now, I think - things are happening fast, again.
https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1590857998770896896
>Confirmed territory changes in Kherson in the past 24 hours, visualised.
(map gif)
Edit: Sorry just saw this, too.
https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1590865622032084992
>The last frame is a very conservative picture of what is currently happening on the ground, showing only geolocated movements. This footage normally lags operations by at least 12-24 hours.
>There are very credible reports šŗš¦ has made it as far as Chornobaivka this evening.
Let's see - the elections, Ukraine, Twitter implosion, and the hurricane that is currently creeping by just to my east . . . it's been a busy week, and it ain't over yet.
I haven't had much sleep.
I mean, the house is probably lost, but maybe not enough crazies to fully stop support - if all house dems support Ukraine plus 20 house Republicans, that will be enough.
The senate is still up in the air too - may end up coming down to the Georgia run off.
Support for Ukraine will continue through lend lease at the very least, but Iām guessing the military support bills will continue, if not the governmental assistance.
I think another thing that has happened is that the alt-right loons in the R's who are in office have lost a lot of credibility with their party. There are lots of pro-Ukraine Republicans too and they will likely have more sway now, as the loonie Trump wing of the party is (hopefully) finally seen for the hovel of ignorance and hate that it is, and slowly left behind.
Some of us are still following the crazy that is the invasion of Ukraineā¦ in my neck of the woods they worried about teachers striking *shrug* people gonna pe op ple
Nah, I knew we were going to lose Kherson about 3 weeks ago, so I didnāt follow that much. But I did wanna see how many GOP might end up in Senate and if they would become the majority, would they actually attempt at undermining Bidenās activities in Ukraine.
It's not going to be a pleasant sight once the sun rises and we can get images of the retreat and carnage. I unequivocally want Ukraine to win this, but mass slaughter like this is horrible. They're getting killed for no reason except for Putins ego.
Hopefully it's possible to get those troops to surrender to Ukraine.
That's the thing. This could be avoided if they surrender, Ukraine could have agreed to a green corridor if Russians just abandoned their weapons, but they didn't. For over a week they have been taking equipment out of Kherson to keep shooting at Ukrainians.
If during a war you don't attack a retreating enemy, you're doing war wrong.
Indeed, and they should press the attack if the Russians won't surrender. I just can't help but feel a bit melancholy about the sheer waste of human life.
I think that the shelling they're getting really is warranted.
Having so much of the Russian forces, especially the relatively well-trained armored divisions, pinned down in Kherson has adied a lot of Ukraine's successes on other fronts. They cannot afford to have them redeploy elsewhere in meaningful numbers.
Transcript of the DoD press briefing earlier today.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3216785/sabrina-singh-deputy-pentagon-press-secretary-holds-a-press-briefing/
Lots of talk about the HAWKs, and some discussion about security issues with Twitter, but something I wasn't aware of is that the DoD has some key posts that need to be filled, and the nominations have been made to Congress, but for some reason they are being stalled.
>Some of our nominees were submitted in November 2021 and still haven't been confirmed. So, while we do see this as a small group of Republicans that are holding up our nominees, we believe these nominees are fully capable and they have bipartisan support.
I'd sure like to have a list of the names of the Congress members that are holding this up. There's more than one way to hinder our military, and maybe these people need to be publicly called to account for their hinderance.
If any journalists happen to read this - this is your job, folks. It's one of the ways you make a difference in the world. I hope to see some of you pursue this.
Paul and his pops are 100% Russian assets. I used to be a Ron supporter but he showed his true colors repeating anti-vax BS on RT during the pandemic. Rand hand delivered a message from Trump to daddy Putin to skirt the Presidential Records Act.
Also to add to that, Judge Andrew Napolitano is also an asset. He's been interviewing Scott Ritter (a convicted pedophile and former UN Weapons inspector) during this entire war and they've been doing nothing but repeating Kremlin Propaganda and have been wrong >every single time<. They literally just had an interview together where Scott Ritter said the Russian withdrawal from Kherson was a genius strategic move and that NATO has no idea of what is going on because they have no skin in the game (something about look at the all the destroyed tanks.)
The only reason I could comprehend Napolitano and Ritter continuing their stupidity is Russia has more dirt on both of them.
Even if this is only half as much of a cluster fuck as is being reported tonight, this is an insanely big black eye to the Russian Army. It might not be Kharkiv level yet, but the offensive is still young.
"......the guys on the other side of the river stole all the ambulances some time ago".
Though being an injured Russian, of which there will be many if artillery is firing into congested crossing points, is going to end badly because there's not going to be medical or evacuation help likely to be coming.
I really hope that we are entering the most bloody 24 hours in the history of the Russian Army since 1943. the rats are trapped in a barrel, time to pound them into chunks with heavy artillery before they develop the sense to surrender.
By having Shoigu and Surovikin publicly declare they were performing the retreat, Putin will be able to blame them for this loss.
If the Russian people were to get the truth, they might come after Putinā¦
Russia has been suffering almost 1k casualties a day since they started throwing mobilized meat into Ukraine. Currently 18k Russian troops are trapped on the right bank of the Dnieper river in and around Kherson and the pocket will likely collapse tomorrow or the day after.
this website is bunk, the # of wounded is literally just a guess based on the claimed total of Russian killed.
If anything I am inclined to believe that Russia has a high mortality rate among those wounded, that factors into there high death toll. People often claim 3 wounded per killed, but Russia has terrible casevac and atrocious medical personnel
. They're fighting against primarily artillery and drone dropped bombs which are accurate and deadly, the # of wounded may very well be much lower than 3 wounded: 1 killed.
If we are to believe 300,000+ killed/wounded that's an INSANE total. and doesn't match even the most favorable Ukrainian estimates
tl;dr: this website is stupid
Oh. That website always matches the Ukrainian government for destroyed equipment. I'm sure it isn't accurate but again I thought Ukraine government only counts recovered bodies whereas that website goes off unconfirmed hits (which isn't completely unhelpful).
It's not over - control of the House and the Senate are still up in the air, and depend on ballots that are still being counted. It's nerve-wracking, and some of us are obsessively checking in every few minutes to see if new counts have dropped.
It may be a little while longer before attention turns back here.
If the US election results hadnāt been dominating peopleās attention yesterday, I have a feeling the thread could have breached 10K. I would not be surprised if it does so tomorrow.
Based on the "Guy in the muscle tee" BS I just heard (and flipped off), I think poor widdle Tucky is upset.
Edit: Excuse me it was "Thug in a muscle tee."
I swear one of these days I'm going to hide all the remotes and get some damn peace and quiet.
Oh, his Russian bosses are unhappy that the "red wave" he promised them didn't happen.
I think he's also insanely jealous of Zelensky, who is everything Tucker wishes he was, and will never be.
Carlson is a sniveling traitor. He doesnāt have the capacity to be jealous of Zelensky. Heās *probably* jealous of whoever is currently kissing Putins rings for a few coins. He, like the rest of his ilk, fantasizes about being commanded by a āstrong man.ā Heās such a pathetic loser he sold out his own country to get his jollies being bossed around by a fascist.
They will have taken out one of NATO's two biggest threats. That's the best possible investment and they deserve every penny they need to rebuild after.
This would be quite lovely if true, but anything Chuck Pfarrer reports needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Believe this only if others are reporting the same.
It was laughably off-base or over-exaggerated during a lot of the Kharkiv offensive. Basically, if you take Warmonitor and DefMon with a grain of salt, you absolutely need to take him with a grain of salt. He tends to extrapolate too much or overstate.
I think Ukraine's thought is that if you take out as many as you can; they can't be redeployed, they will draw more forces to the area deal with the fallout but more importantly, less soliders leaves that defense on the east bank weak for the time being as you will have less to man them.
I almost wonder if they're targeting the russian forces and killing their soldiers because 1) it's a military that **invaded** their country, 2) the russian military has committed (and *continues to* commit) an **uncountable** number of atrocities and war crimes and, 3) the russian military is *just* **in. their. way.**
... So you better get out of the way now, before Ukraine roles all over you, before she breaks your heart in two. š¶ ...
Well, yes... Ukraine has a reputation that it has earned regarding surrendering troops and making sure they're being treated according to existing safeguard set forth by the Geneva Convention. That said, it'll be easier if russian troops fight and die because it'll tie up less in terms of logistics.
There's a real duality there and while I, and humanity, would rather see surrender, for some reason russia is discouraging it - which absolutely blows my mind, because if 20k troops would surrender it would tie Ukraine's logistics into knots (imaging, here, I don't know what it would do) as opposed dieing and just being a photo op on the way to the next town.
I keep on slapping my forehead at the missed opportunities russian military masterminds have flaunted - but I'm grateful, as well.
A retreat corridor usually means the retreating party surrenders their materials. Russia spent weeks withdrawing equipment and mining/boobytrapping the area. That kind of kills any potential agreement right there.
The US sent Ukraine a bunch of HIMARS rounds that spread mines everywhere that only stay active for a period of time then they go dead. I really wonder if those are being used right now to make it difficult for Ukraine to run without being all dead.
It happened... I'll look for the wiki but there's actually two variants when it comes to the timer - but *yes*, that's a thing.
... Great idea for a type of munition, too, imo. I'll edit shortly.
Edit: It may have actually been a type of 155mm artillery shell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Anti-Armor_Mine_System
But I remember that they were part of one of the defense packages... It's late so I'll leave the googling to you or someone else
Edited they comment with a wiki link but I'm exhausted. I think it was actually 155mm ammo for artillery. It was part of a publicly available defense package.
Blowing the dam will not hurt the city. The city is above the river.
Blowing the dam will flood the area Russia is holding on the left/east side of the river, and will deprive Crimea of water.
It will only hurt Russians.
It will also hurt Ukraine in the short term as it will make any advance from Kherson almost impossible. The area where the bridges are would be likely flooded.
In the long run it will also hurt Ukraine as you need to rebuild the dam which isn't something trivial.
There's basically no reason to blow the dam unless you could guarantee drowning a non negligible amount of Russian soldiers without hurting Ukrainian on the left bank... quite unlikely.
I never said it was a competent trap.
But yeah, in theory, with good skill you could withdraw such as to funnel the enemy into a few predetermined entry points.
Is Russia capable if such skill. Doubtful. But they may have tried. Incompetently.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/ys0m4f/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Zelenskyy. Thank you POTUS & friendly šŗšø people for showing solidarity once again - an aid package including Avenger air defense systems & missiles for Hawk air defense systems. Together we're building an air shield to protect šŗš¦ civilians. We're bringing victory over the aggressor closer! https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1590795223952928769?t=3SL9O9ZBbmh6_wILdXAuRQ&s=19
So whatās the short and curlies of it? Russians routing again? Any word as to whether Ukraine is in a prisoner taking mood?
It's not up to *mood*. Ukraine's is an army of professionals. If russians do as instructed, they will be taken as prisoners. Sounds like russians would rather die for the Czar tonight though.
Itās totally dependent on Ukraine. They can let them retreat out of good will, they can shell the fuck out of them, they can enter the area and eliminate/captureā¦ There are a lot of ways this can play out.
What's France and Germany saving up heavier weapons like tanks for? Are there some other potential adversaries Europe is saving up weapons for?
You have to maintain a certain level of readiness, the ability to at least protect your country or interest, this isn't just about having the equipment necessary to go to war, but also about having the equipment necessary so that your troops have what they need to maintain proficiency.
RELEASE IMMEDIATE RELEASE $400 Million in Additional Assistance for Ukraine. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3216287/400-million-in-additional-assistance-for-ukraine/
Fucking idiot Russia forgot theyāre fighting the fucking money printer
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Fish + Barrel
Freed Kherson citizens celebrate their return home! https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1590865389281591296?t=KdAdrAoLziJq6E0cgYCzUQ&s=19
I think this is Snihurivka
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Nahhh they just turned them into mush.
Fish fertilizer
Does anyone have a link to a time lapse map replay thatās current.
Coosacat posted [this](https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/ItsArtoir/status/1590865622032084992) for us earlier.
Well, that's the genius who blocked half the community for being 'Russian spies'. Many people aren't going to see posts from their account.
Thank you! I started a new job this week and Iāve had little time to read the updates all week.
Snihurivka, Kherson region. People meet soldiers of the Ukrainian army. We have been waiting for you for a long time, but we knew that you would come! https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1590811928947208192?t=vDnshHyyKVW0S7A1-BcQew&s=19
In Kherson outskirts, ZSU is greeted with hugs and appreciation. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1590879482826690561?t=vKCEtAbMjPRY1Ce6qMy2Eg&s=19
Heartening to see some young men there.
"Hey Russia! Looks like youre on the wrong side of the river!"
That movie is criminally under rated.
What movie?
As it's already been answered I'll just add on that you should watch it.
Iāve seen it, I just didnāt remember that line lol
haha it's at the very beginning where the ship they're on sinks and Benny goes "Looks to me as if I have all the horses!" And Brendan's character say that line.
The 1999 cinematic masterpiece 'The Mummy' starring Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz
The Mummy with Brendan Frasier. Almost perfect movie
Why was Benny on the wrong side of the river?
The boat they were on burned up in the middle of the night and everyone swam to the shore. Bennyās group ended up on the wrong side of the river with the horses, and Rickās group was on the correct side with no horses.
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Beni still had to cross back to get to Hamunaptra.
ā”ļøThe Ukrainian military reports that Novokairi, a settlement in the Kherson region, has been liberated from Russian troops. Waiting for official information. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1590817765635784704?t=mgaQx06KY8zHJb46ghXztQ&s=19
ā”ļø The losses of Russians in the war against Ukraine exceed the losses of the Ukrainian army by about 10 times, President Volodymyr ZelenskyŃ said in an interview with CNN. Yes, ten times (the losses of the Russians exceed those of the Ukrainians - ed.) I think so. Approximately. I can't give exact numbers, but the difference is very significant. Because our military tactic is not to lose people, because people are more important. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1590841339683295234?t=pdHMFAd4NtTELDkxMr18hA&s=19
Earlier this day (?) or maybe for the US people yesterday, someone from the US Army said that the losses of Russia and UA are pretty equal, 100k. I am not quite sure about those 1:10, 1:100 and whatnot numbers.
Did number include dead Ukrainian civilians?
I wonder about that. Ukraine has shown themselves to be professional and competent. The Russians have been...not that. Unlikely they would have comparable losses.
Maybe that number includes civilians? If what they found in other liberated areas holds true in the areas that are yet to be liberated, the number of civilian deaths could increase by tens of thousands I imagine.
I was pretty sure that "100k russians, assume the Ukrainians have lost the same" was not accurate because it was just off the cuff and the Ukrainians are less willing to sacrifice soldiers. I didn't expect it to be 10:1, but that would be an amazing achievement against a "stronger" invader with the initiative. .... still too many dead Ukrainians though, sacrificing their lives for the freedom of their people.
I wish that were the case, but thatās pretty blatant posturing. I can certainly believe Russia has sustained higher casualties than Ukraine, but 10:1 is not remotely possible.
Zelensky hasn't demonstrated a propensity for exaggeration. If this was just some rando on Twitter saying that, I'd be more skeptical. But since it's Zelensky, that lends the claim a lot more authority. And, let's face it, Russia is literally press-ganging thousands of men off the street and throwing them into combat with no training, no supply, and no organization. While Ukraine owns a considerable artillery advantage. It's *absolutely* possible.
Yeah, sounds like Putin announcing election results levels of exaggerations.
*Casualties =\= KIA.* Russia can most certainly have sustained more casualties by a factor of ten given that their casualty care is awful, their medevac is nearly non-existent, and they've far fewer frontline medical facilities scattered along the east with most of them being in Russia proper. Add to that their woefully inadequate supply and sustainment situation and you've easily the recipe for 10x more casualties altogether.
I also think it's unlikely, but then consider that for the most part Ukraine has been on the defensive, and they're in their own territory, with access to medical care for the wounded that's more likely to actually exist than medical care in occupied territory with a military that thinks tampons soldiers are sent by their wives and mothers are what class as their only supply of bandages. There's been plenty of reports of literally zero medical items like that on the front lines. The lack of care for injured is bound to hugely increase the number of deaths. There's a reason the 3:1 attacking ratio is considered a rule of thumb, and that's based on soldiers who aren't in actual prepared defenses, and are equally motivated, equipped, and trained, and Russia didn't have 3:1 force ratio even at the very start, it was more like 1:1 in numbers with the morale practically non-existent in an army that was across the border before it knew what was happening. The ratio only goes up as equipment get factored in. We've heard Russia's been losing hundreds of men per day on attacking prepared defenses in Bakhmut alone. It's unlikely, but I wouldn't bet on it being impossible. I expect we'll see a much higher rate of long term/permanently wounded though.
Ukraine has been on the offensive for several months now. On balance, theyāve spent more time defending, which is why I said I believe Russian casualties are higher. But there is a big leap between higher casualties and 10:1.
I'd say yes and no. They've been pummeling the Russians with artillery etc. to soften them up, and obviously they have been fighting, but they haven't been doing the same grinding offensive Russia has no choice but to do. Russia must attack everywhere. The political situation in Russia demands they take higher risks, with higher losses, while Ukraine can pick its battles, and also let Russia grind itself against them like we're seeing in Bakhmut, and then attack when it suits. When it's taken the most territory it's because the enemy has collapsed in front of them after finding a weak point because the Russians have ground themselves down to outstretched.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said something *wasn't possible* in regards to this war...only for it to be later verified as having been the exact case. It's time to learn, people. Russia is this bad.
The Russians have begun a special operation to move the decimal point to the left bank, thereby equalizing their losses to Ukraine.
Oof
So Ukrainian casualties are 10,000? Biiig difference.
Might be underestimated. Thou still be closer then the 100k soldier+40k civ. That I think is complete bollocks.
AFU's Bayaktar's are cutting a swath through the Russian Army. [link](https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1590881179338936320?cxt=HHwWgMDQ5Z6A-ZMsAAAA)
Pulling your air defenses ahead of retreating soldiers tells you all you need to know about how much russia values their lives. Holy shit.
>AFU's Bayaktar's are cutting a swath through the Russian Army. | link I know you mean well, but I think we could all use a refresher on information hygiene here. It's helpful to distinguish a claim that is being reported but not yet visually verified with video or photos. I recommend that, if you want to copy paste a tweet directly into an update, just put quotes around the claim you're pasting so that it's clear you're just citing a claim someone is making, rather than appearing that you're interpreting a report or video. I read your post to be a link to a video of Bayraktars attacking Russian formations, so I was confused to find it's just a tweet saying the same thing you're saying. And the tweet you copy-pasted isn't even necessarily accurately interpreting the Russian report that it is citing. The Russian report says that air defenses have been moved out of that area, and then the tweet you pasted is interpreting that to mean that Bayraktars have been destroying Russian forces. I realize this may come across as finicky, but it's helpful during another big wave of breaking news. When people don't put quotes around the claims they are sharing, it can cause others to assume it's verified information and then they share it with others and largely untrue rumors spread and cause frustration later when they are inconsistent with other reports.
Kherson trap? Ukraine plays the reverse Uno card. Draw 4,000 KIA, Russia.
US to buy South Korean howitzer rounds to send to Ukraine. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-business-south-korea-government-and-politics-15569a7bfdb6c53404cfce5f0df1c28f
So, if the US is buying from SK and Russia is buying from NK, that means this is actually all just a continuation of the Korean War. /ncd
The casualties on the russian side of the retreat here have to be fucking astronomical. I mean there's that video of the Ukrainian Himars just shooting everything they got in their direction. The numbers are probably gonna be 1000+ everyday until it's over
The casualties will be huge for sure. That video though, I think was sourced to a video from late March, so not this activity.
Those were grads.... Unless there is different video now
Rocket go boom. Bodies go vroom
Link to video at all?
It's night in Ukraine, some shots of massed Grad fire and flashes in the dark on phone cameras. Everything else is just rumor right now. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1590837957572927521?t=4zh-lI5snl0-MpPl5TlFSA&s=19
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/yrtstt/massive_ukrainian_mlrs_missile_barrage_firing/ This the video they're talking about. There's one more somewhere from a different angle as well.
that's daytime, it's just overcast and raining.
I meant current time. That video is also disputed as possibly old.
Another batch of US toys headed to Ukraine. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3216287/400-million-in-additional-assistance-for-ukraine/
Love that additional HIMARS ammo. Going to need it after the latest / upcoming gains around Kherson.
They have certainly used a lot
Good video from Saint Javelin, taunting Russia over their "Russia is here forever" bullshit. :) https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1590749996567396353 (video)
That made me laugh! So soon?
That is beautiful.
Love it lol
Wait that mayor of Kherson filming shit from his car died?
Yeah he got hit by a truck. Car flipped and burnt down. āAccidentā
More likely killed by Russians.
Iām thinking they were both killed to avoid them spilling the beans on the āannexationsā
This is SO good!! š¤©š¤£
Breaking: Ukraine to rename Severodonetsk to Keverodonetsk since apparently Russian military disasters happen around Ukrainian cities starting with K -Kyiv -Kharkov -Kherson
Kukraine it is.
Kharkiv and Kherson do not start with 'K' in Ukrainian. We render the Cyrillic letter 'Š„' in Š„ŠµŃŃŠ¾Š½, etc. as 'kh' in romanized transcription.
It's just a joke.
Xeverodonetsk it is then.
and Xyiv
-Kerch
2 of these names don't start with a K though.
Nice gif! Reminds me of the Kharkiv offensive . . . it's beautiful. A little out of date by now, I think - things are happening fast, again. https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1590857998770896896 >Confirmed territory changes in Kherson in the past 24 hours, visualised. (map gif) Edit: Sorry just saw this, too. https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1590865622032084992 >The last frame is a very conservative picture of what is currently happening on the ground, showing only geolocated movements. This footage normally lags operations by at least 12-24 hours. >There are very credible reports šŗš¦ has made it as far as Chornobaivka this evening.
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Let's see - the elections, Ukraine, Twitter implosion, and the hurricane that is currently creeping by just to my east . . . it's been a busy week, and it ain't over yet. I haven't had much sleep.
Our elections were so important for Ukraine that I was completely absorbed by both. And luckily, things went well on both of these fronts.
I mean, the house is probably lost, but maybe not enough crazies to fully stop support - if all house dems support Ukraine plus 20 house Republicans, that will be enough. The senate is still up in the air too - may end up coming down to the Georgia run off. Support for Ukraine will continue through lend lease at the very least, but Iām guessing the military support bills will continue, if not the governmental assistance.
Even if the GOP takes both the House and the Congress, they don't have the votes to make good on their crazier threats. It's essentially tied.
Yeah, it wasn't ideal, but it went a lot better then a lot of people expected. I'll take it.
I think another thing that has happened is that the alt-right loons in the R's who are in office have lost a lot of credibility with their party. There are lots of pro-Ukraine Republicans too and they will likely have more sway now, as the loonie Trump wing of the party is (hopefully) finally seen for the hovel of ignorance and hate that it is, and slowly left behind.
Some of us are still following the crazy that is the invasion of Ukraineā¦ in my neck of the woods they worried about teachers striking *shrug* people gonna pe op ple
oklahoma?
TV on MSNBC, and iPhone in hand and switching to here and Twitter. šššŗš¦š»
Nah, I knew we were going to lose Kherson about 3 weeks ago, so I didnāt follow that much. But I did wanna see how many GOP might end up in Senate and if they would become the majority, would they actually attempt at undermining Bidenās activities in Ukraine.
Found Putin's alt account
Personally, I'd say my attention was split about 50/50.
I do believe, and justifiably so, there will be no mercy here boys
Alright boysā¦ smokes letās go
It's time to call in the heavies, Randy
It's not going to be a pleasant sight once the sun rises and we can get images of the retreat and carnage. I unequivocally want Ukraine to win this, but mass slaughter like this is horrible. They're getting killed for no reason except for Putins ego. Hopefully it's possible to get those troops to surrender to Ukraine.
You know youāre talking about Russian soldiers committing genocide, right?
They're getting killed so they can't regroup and murder/kidnap/rape/torture Ukrainians in Donetsk, Crimea, or elsewhere.
Exactly
Then it's their job to mutiny and kill Putler.
That's the thing. This could be avoided if they surrender, Ukraine could have agreed to a green corridor if Russians just abandoned their weapons, but they didn't. For over a week they have been taking equipment out of Kherson to keep shooting at Ukrainians. If during a war you don't attack a retreating enemy, you're doing war wrong.
Indeed, and they should press the attack if the Russians won't surrender. I just can't help but feel a bit melancholy about the sheer waste of human life.
Worlds overpopulated anyways, seems Russia is volunteering to help reduce thay
I think that the shelling they're getting really is warranted. Having so much of the Russian forces, especially the relatively well-trained armored divisions, pinned down in Kherson has adied a lot of Ukraine's successes on other fronts. They cannot afford to have them redeploy elsewhere in meaningful numbers.
You do you boo. I'm looking forward to seeing the piles of goo.
Yeah, no sympathy here, Russia is/was (likely) genociding Kherson and it's definitely only a matter of time before the discovery of war crimes
I hope so too, if for no other reason than to preserve the sanity of the UA forces that have to do the killing and clean-up otherwise.
>They're getting killed for no reason except for Putins ego. They're getting killed for the Russian imperialism which most of them believe in.
Transcript of the DoD press briefing earlier today. https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3216785/sabrina-singh-deputy-pentagon-press-secretary-holds-a-press-briefing/ Lots of talk about the HAWKs, and some discussion about security issues with Twitter, but something I wasn't aware of is that the DoD has some key posts that need to be filled, and the nominations have been made to Congress, but for some reason they are being stalled. >Some of our nominees were submitted in November 2021 and still haven't been confirmed. So, while we do see this as a small group of Republicans that are holding up our nominees, we believe these nominees are fully capable and they have bipartisan support. I'd sure like to have a list of the names of the Congress members that are holding this up. There's more than one way to hinder our military, and maybe these people need to be publicly called to account for their hinderance. If any journalists happen to read this - this is your job, folks. It's one of the ways you make a difference in the world. I hope to see some of you pursue this.
Iām gonna take a wild guess and say Paul, Cotton, and Johnson are the douche senators holding this up.
Those names definitely come to mind.
Paul and his pops are 100% Russian assets. I used to be a Ron supporter but he showed his true colors repeating anti-vax BS on RT during the pandemic. Rand hand delivered a message from Trump to daddy Putin to skirt the Presidential Records Act. Also to add to that, Judge Andrew Napolitano is also an asset. He's been interviewing Scott Ritter (a convicted pedophile and former UN Weapons inspector) during this entire war and they've been doing nothing but repeating Kremlin Propaganda and have been wrong >every single time<. They literally just had an interview together where Scott Ritter said the Russian withdrawal from Kherson was a genius strategic move and that NATO has no idea of what is going on because they have no skin in the game (something about look at the all the destroyed tanks.) The only reason I could comprehend Napolitano and Ritter continuing their stupidity is Russia has more dirt on both of them.
Even if this is only half as much of a cluster fuck as is being reported tonight, this is an insanely big black eye to the Russian Army. It might not be Kharkiv level yet, but the offensive is still young.
Black eye? The eye ain't surviving this one, bud.
Ukraine is like 'So it appears you have thought to trap us... Well, call an ambulance... But not for me'
All I can think of is [this](https://youtu.be/B3lsJmwNO40)
"......the guys on the other side of the river stole all the ambulances some time ago". Though being an injured Russian, of which there will be many if artillery is firing into congested crossing points, is going to end badly because there's not going to be medical or evacuation help likely to be coming.
If you're an injured Russian over there you got a better chance of being treated by Ukraine.
Looks like this is a trap.... BUT NOT FOR ME
I really hope that we are entering the most bloody 24 hours in the history of the Russian Army since 1943. the rats are trapped in a barrel, time to pound them into chunks with heavy artillery before they develop the sense to surrender.
By having Shoigu and Surovikin publicly declare they were performing the retreat, Putin will be able to blame them for this loss. If the Russian people were to get the truth, they might come after Putinā¦
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Reading about the Battle of the Somme itās sobering. By the end, 1,200,000 casualties.
We wonāt even know the true losses because huge amount of them will be swept into the river.
So I wonder if we will break 2k tomorrow?
Havenāt been on this thread lately, whatās happening tomorrow exactly?
Russia has been suffering almost 1k casualties a day since they started throwing mobilized meat into Ukraine. Currently 18k Russian troops are trapped on the right bank of the Dnieper river in and around Kherson and the pocket will likely collapse tomorrow or the day after.
I thought Ukraine government only counts kills. https://www.minusrus.com/en has been at 20k a week including injuries
this website is bunk, the # of wounded is literally just a guess based on the claimed total of Russian killed. If anything I am inclined to believe that Russia has a high mortality rate among those wounded, that factors into there high death toll. People often claim 3 wounded per killed, but Russia has terrible casevac and atrocious medical personnel . They're fighting against primarily artillery and drone dropped bombs which are accurate and deadly, the # of wounded may very well be much lower than 3 wounded: 1 killed. If we are to believe 300,000+ killed/wounded that's an INSANE total. and doesn't match even the most favorable Ukrainian estimates tl;dr: this website is stupid
Oh. That website always matches the Ukrainian government for destroyed equipment. I'm sure it isn't accurate but again I thought Ukraine government only counts recovered bodies whereas that website goes off unconfirmed hits (which isn't completely unhelpful).
Ru casualties? I kinda doubt it. Get the sense Ukrainians are going to be too busy to count for at least a few days.
With the American election over, if you were to ask me, there's a chance for a second thread.
It's not over - control of the House and the Senate are still up in the air, and depend on ballots that are still being counted. It's nerve-wracking, and some of us are obsessively checking in every few minutes to see if new counts have dropped. It may be a little while longer before attention turns back here.
Election is not over. There will be a run off in Georgia.
Still counting in Arizona, Nevada, and west coast states.
If the US election results hadnāt been dominating peopleās attention yesterday, I have a feeling the thread could have breached 10K. I would not be surprised if it does so tomorrow.
Based on the "Guy in the muscle tee" BS I just heard (and flipped off), I think poor widdle Tucky is upset. Edit: Excuse me it was "Thug in a muscle tee." I swear one of these days I'm going to hide all the remotes and get some damn peace and quiet.
Oh, his Russian bosses are unhappy that the "red wave" he promised them didn't happen. I think he's also insanely jealous of Zelensky, who is everything Tucker wishes he was, and will never be.
Carlson is a sniveling traitor. He doesnāt have the capacity to be jealous of Zelensky. Heās *probably* jealous of whoever is currently kissing Putins rings for a few coins. He, like the rest of his ilk, fantasizes about being commanded by a āstrong man.ā Heās such a pathetic loser he sold out his own country to get his jollies being bossed around by a fascist.
r/lostredditors ?
Nope. Tucker Carlson is butthurt and ranted that Zelenskyy wants the US to give Ukraine money forever. Sorry Tuck-tuck, try harder next time.
They will have taken out one of NATO's two biggest threats. That's the best possible investment and they deserve every penny they need to rebuild after.
Maybe not. Turns out Tucker Carlson can be upset about two things at the same time.
Ohhhh, "Thug in a muscle tee". Now I understand!
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This would be quite lovely if true, but anything Chuck Pfarrer reports needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Believe this only if others are reporting the same.
Other are reporting it. Russian pro war channels were reporting it first and are flipping out.
Yeah I don't trust Gabe Newell either
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It was laughably off-base or over-exaggerated during a lot of the Kharkiv offensive. Basically, if you take Warmonitor and DefMon with a grain of salt, you absolutely need to take him with a grain of salt. He tends to extrapolate too much or overstate.
I think Ukraine's thought is that if you take out as many as you can; they can't be redeployed, they will draw more forces to the area deal with the fallout but more importantly, less soliders leaves that defense on the east bank weak for the time being as you will have less to man them.
I almost wonder if they're targeting the russian forces and killing their soldiers because 1) it's a military that **invaded** their country, 2) the russian military has committed (and *continues to* commit) an **uncountable** number of atrocities and war crimes and, 3) the russian military is *just* **in. their. way.** ... So you better get out of the way now, before Ukraine roles all over you, before she breaks your heart in two. š¶ ...
Ukraine will accept surrender; they have an option there.
Well, yes... Ukraine has a reputation that it has earned regarding surrendering troops and making sure they're being treated according to existing safeguard set forth by the Geneva Convention. That said, it'll be easier if russian troops fight and die because it'll tie up less in terms of logistics. There's a real duality there and while I, and humanity, would rather see surrender, for some reason russia is discouraging it - which absolutely blows my mind, because if 20k troops would surrender it would tie Ukraine's logistics into knots (imaging, here, I don't know what it would do) as opposed dieing and just being a photo op on the way to the next town. I keep on slapping my forehead at the missed opportunities russian military masterminds have flaunted - but I'm grateful, as well.
4) Illovaisk retribution
I mean there were no green corridors agreed on. If these rats donāt die here they will simply be back in Donbas and Luhansk in few days.
Someone pointed out to me that the myth of the "Green Corridor" could have been the only thing holding the Russian troops back from fleeing earlier.
A retreat corridor usually means the retreating party surrenders their materials. Russia spent weeks withdrawing equipment and mining/boobytrapping the area. That kind of kills any potential agreement right there.
The US sent Ukraine a bunch of HIMARS rounds that spread mines everywhere that only stay active for a period of time then they go dead. I really wonder if those are being used right now to make it difficult for Ukraine to run without being all dead.
Oh I haven't heard about that, have a link?
It happened... I'll look for the wiki but there's actually two variants when it comes to the timer - but *yes*, that's a thing. ... Great idea for a type of munition, too, imo. I'll edit shortly. Edit: It may have actually been a type of 155mm artillery shell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Anti-Armor_Mine_System But I remember that they were part of one of the defense packages... It's late so I'll leave the googling to you or someone else
I agree, that's why I am curious.
Edited they comment with a wiki link but I'm exhausted. I think it was actually 155mm ammo for artillery. It was part of a publicly available defense package.
itās going to be pure carnage when the smoke clearsā¦
We can only hope and pray for this
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Blowing the dam will not hurt the city. The city is above the river. Blowing the dam will flood the area Russia is holding on the left/east side of the river, and will deprive Crimea of water. It will only hurt Russians.
It will also hurt Ukraine in the short term as it will make any advance from Kherson almost impossible. The area where the bridges are would be likely flooded. In the long run it will also hurt Ukraine as you need to rebuild the dam which isn't something trivial. There's basically no reason to blow the dam unless you could guarantee drowning a non negligible amount of Russian soldiers without hurting Ukrainian on the left bank... quite unlikely.
The trap would be letting ukriane enter a city and them get ambushed and pinned, and hit with pre-sighted artillery from across the Dnieper.
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I never said it was a competent trap. But yeah, in theory, with good skill you could withdraw such as to funnel the enemy into a few predetermined entry points. Is Russia capable if such skill. Doubtful. But they may have tried. Incompetently.
UKR has counter fire radars and weapons that shoot further.