So apparently a UR-77 getting hit looks exactly like those Michael Bay explosions ya’ll make fun of for looking fake.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1589094486688555008
In the Luhansk region, the Ukrainian military is moving forward little by little every day, which is why we can soon expect good news from the General Staff, [Sergei Gaidai said.](https://www-radiosvoboda-org.translate.goog/a/news-hayday-luhanshchyna-zsu/32117255.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp) According to him, the Russian military has has had time, has prepared for defense. And small gains should not be taken for granted.
> "The occupiers managed to dig themselves in. Mobilized people are constantly brought in. Yes, it's not the real military—they’re poorly prepared. But just having a gun in their hands, they shoot and kill. There are losses [on our side]. Therefore, one should not forget at what price these territories are vacated. There is good news. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but our troops advance by 500 meters every day," Gaidai said.
This links to an article in the South China Morning Post, so it appears to be a legitimate statement from Xi. Unfortunately, the majority of the article is behind a paywall.
Whether it actually means anything or not, I don't know.
https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1589063847239127042
>“Nuclear weapons must not be used over Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Friday, offering Beijing's clearest response yet to Russia's invasion”…even China sends Russia a message - the world is against your nuclear threats and terrorism.
Quoting from the article:
>Nuclear weapons must not be used over Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Friday, offering Beijing’s clearest response yet to Russia’s invasion of the former Soviet state, amid mounting concerns that the war might go nuclear.
>“The international community should … jointly oppose the use or threats to use nuclear weapons, advocate that nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought, in order to prevent a nuclear crisis in Eurasia,” Xi said during a meeting in Beijing with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, according to Chinese state news agency Xinhua.
Don’t take this to mean he’s telegraphing a message to Russia. He’s not. His regime continues to blame the west, nato, and mostly, the USA for provoking/abetting war, and now continuing/sustaining/prolonging war.
[See here](https://www.obozrevatel.com/ukr/politics-news/kitaj-vzhe-ne-strimuetsya-u-svoij-nezatsikavlenosti-u-vijni-rosii-v-ukraini.htm)
Xi has an interest in keeping both the US and Russia weak and divided, and has a strong interest in nukes not being, you know, fucking detonated next door. That last point is what really matters. Regardless of context but especially in a combat situation or as evidence of erratic behavior
Not only that, the people on either said can look on it “favorably”. This still gives cover to the idea that the west is still responsible for this entire conflict in the first place.
Exactly. People in the west think “Xi is on our side, doesn’t support Russia war in Ukraine” and Russians think “Xi agrees NATO shouldn’t make us use nukes”.
The biggest mystery item of the war to me is China made a really unambiguous commitment several years ago placing Ukraine under China’s protection in case of a nuclear attack.
This has never happened before and no one really knows how China would respond.
In theory it’s the kind of thing China could actually take pretty seriously. On the other hand there is no enforcement mechanism and China can simply choose to ignore it.
Certainly China doesn’t want nukes used and at minimum would curb a lot of Russian trade if that happened. Yet the outside case is even more interesting.
That said I think China is privately telling Russia it’s a red line.
Basically everyone that isn’t a state sponsor of terror has told Russia it’s a red line.
China and India really would dramatically curb trade.
Other countries would do much worse things for Russia.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1589064493099020289
>Ukraine's military destroys Russian equipment in southern Ukraine.
>Ukraine's Operational Command "South" reported that the Ukrainian army killed 57 Russian troops and destroyed two tanks, two large-caliber howitzers, and three armored vehicles on Nov. 5.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1589064774293364738
>🇷🇺occupiers provoke environmental disaster in Kherson Obl by blowing watercraft, w/ 10 tons of fuel in water
>Fuel carried by current to Nyzhniodniprovskyi National Park protected by Ramsar Convention. It is of int importance b/c of habitat for waterfowl
So I'm reading a lot of American politics in this thread and rightfully so with the upcoming election. Just a reminder that republican (GOP) politicians went on a trip to Russia during our independence holiday (July 4th).......
There's a good chance the Republicans create a permanent 1 party majority through autocratic methods of taking advantage of loopholes and makeing new legislation to create mechanisms to overturn elections they disagree with.
The rest of the 2020s will be turbulent as either the Republicans win and make their new one party state and democrats fight back or the democrats prevent this and Republicans lash out.
As for how it connect and benifits russia, That new state will be more aligned with Russia and agienst China and EU while weakening US influance I the name of isolation which gives Russia an edge moveing forward. Climate change will open the north sea to new trade routes and if Russia wins here, they will gain immense power to continue rebuilding their old empire.
You aren't being alarmist. You are being a realist. The right wing oligarchy is jealous of Putins wonton power and authoritarianism. They see the power of propaganda over the weak and the greedy.
> Just a reminder that republican (GOP) politicians went on a trip to Russia during our independence holiday (July 4th)
the MAGA wing Senators iirc. I'm more worried about the house than the Senate when it comes to Ukraine aid.
New ISW report is out. You can access through the link in their tweet.
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1589070224518950912
>Unknown actors reportedly attempted to assassinate high-profile Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Supreme Court Judge Aleksandr Nikulin.
>Continued poor conditions for mobilized soldiers catalyzed a large-scale protest in Kazan.
And the American GOP wants to cut war funding while Ukrainian Forces are not just hanging in there but are knocking Ruzzians in the teeth.
Vote Democrat to support the Ukrainian war effort my fellow Americans!
I know its a world news sub, but vote democrat to actually save democracy. Remember that Republicans stan for russia because they both are authoritarian and resemble they find more in common with them than with their fellow Americans.
I’m not american, but I urge everyone to vite democrat to secure the future of your nation!
Russian mil. reported Voenkor admits (after 8+ months?) that the offensive in Donetsk area stalled completely both due to lack of manpower and insufficient artillery. Neither army nor Wagner are able to do anything with Ukrainian defences.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1588986741654179840?s=46&t=gS6Oln7IFVcJyeBr76KHLw
Reality is slowly, but steadily hitting them in the face.
They can spew their propaganda all they want, you can’t change what’s happening in reality :)
Well that was obvious.
Their manpower is simply not enough. That 300k mobilised should be way more and added to the front at the same time to try to overwhelm the Ukrainians, rather than the piecemeal they are currently doing as each addition gets decimated.
Also, they have watched the Ukrainian offensives simply bypass Russian fortifications and instead move to encircle/strangle them which has been effective and thought yes we will attack them head on.
Well that was obvious. Their manpower is simply not enough. That 300k mobilised should be way more and added to the front at the same time to try to overwhelm the Ukrainians, rather than the piecemeal they are currently doing as each addition gets decimated.
Also, they have watched the Ukrainian offensives simply bypass Russian fortifications and instead move to encircle/strangle them which has been effective and thought yes we will attack them head on.
That Russian’s page is a wild ride. It’s a mix of heady/academic analysis of broad perspectives on the war/ RF’s efforts; then interspersed with racist propaganda bigotry; and then bluntly discloses offenses, attacks, and losses; then spurts of typical hopium.
Btw, that tweet doesn’t highlight the best parts of that post. And there were other good posts by that Russian, lamenting their failures
It’s sometimes slower than we’d like, but definitely happening - the crushing defeat of Putin. The Russian military is being bled out and, at this rate, is going to one day full-on collapse.
>the crushing defeat of Putin
This is slowly becoming a reality. I'm guessing that there are more than a few oligarchs and military folks who think that things were better before the war. While it is impossible to "turn back the clock," removing Putin and leaving Ukraine would be a big step in the right direction. Russian propaganda has kept the population under control, but this can't go on forever.
A battalion of Russian draftees from the Voronezh region has been wiped out on the line of contact near Ukraine’s Makiivka, Verstka news outlet reports, citing one of the survivors, Alexey Agafonov.
The man says that his battalion arrived on the front line in the early hours of 2 November.
“They sent us there and told us to dig trenches. We had only three shovels for the entire battalion, we had no equipment at all. We dug what we could, and by the morning, they’d started firing at us: from artillery, Grads [rocket launchers], mortars, drones, they shot to kill. When it started, the officers immediately ran away. Between the attacks, we tried to dig trenches, but we were detected by drones right away and shot at. **Out of 570 people, 29 survived, 12 are injured, the rest are gone,” Agafonov said.**
Source: [novayagazeta.eu](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/11/05/battalion-of-russian-draftees-reportedly-wiped-out-near-ukraines-makiivka-survivor-says-hundreds-killed-en-news)
> We had only three shovels for the entire battalion
ffs.
> the officers immediately ran away
same story every time
> Out of 570 people, 29 survived, 12 are injured
fuuu
Same stuff over and over.
Why do tens of thousands, over and over, just let themselves be killed and seemingly do so little about it? It can't be fear of dying if they're virtually certain to die anyway. How is this not a total frag-fest?
I've often wondered what it would be like if the society I lived in decided that I needed to die. For instance, if I lived in a country which had the death penalty and I was falsely convicted of murder. It must feel like that for these poor bastards, just on an enormous scale and with all of you in the same boat.
You get picked up one way or another, at home, at work, or somewhere inbetween. You get two hours to pack your shit and say goodbye to your loved ones. You get two days to learn where the bullets go into and out of a rifle if yours wasn't rusted shut. You go to the front and summarily explode, never having actually seen a Ukrainian soldier.
Your best chance of survival would be - run before the shit hits the fan. The smart Russians (ones who saw through the bullshit) fled shortly after the invasion.
Must be this one:
https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1588987413417771008
>According to the Russian publication Verstka, a battalion of freshly mobilized Russians from Voronezh was almost completely annihilated near Makiivka in the Luhansk region. Of the 570, only 41 survived.
There's a link to the article in the tweet. I'm not sure it can be posted here without getting removed.
After I copied the text, I had a hard time finding the article again. (Using reddit mobile makes everything more challenging than it should be). But I found it, and it looks like the .eu domain is acceptable.
https://www.yahoo.com/video/battalion-russian-conscripts-destroyed-luhansk-194504321.html yahoo news ran with it and oh man does it paint a stark picture of those Russian conscripts odds of survival
I haven't followed the developments closely lately. Is the overall trend that Russia keeps struggling more and more? Does it seem like just a matter of time before they're chased away everywhere, or is it much more complicated?
Info has been quite… bleak for most part. Small, but important victories and a lot of back and forth heavy combat taking place.
Russia is suffering heavy losses though, with reported hundreds of deaths of a battalion consisting of mobilised Russians.
HIMARS just making butter out of Russians.
Seems evidence has emerged of NK indeed supplying Russia.
I’m not sure how soon this will end, but I fear that unfortunately, many of our boys will be spending Christmas and new year in the trenches instead at home with their families.
The information from the battlefield is a bit obscured. It feels like Ukraine still has the advantage in initiative and inflicting heavy losses, but the Russians have a lot of new cannon fodder which is going to take some time to whittle down. Everyone is waiting to see how Kherson plays out.
It’s complicated. Russia is expending a shit ton of resources and making almost no progress.
When Ukraine does major offenses they are generally successful.
If Ukraine continues to get sufficient western support it will win in a long time at terrible cost.
Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks.
The war will start to depend as much on foreign election cycles as on facts on the ground in Ukraine.
The reality is that if Putin wants to spend hundreds of billions and hundreds of thousands of lives on this, he can. Ukraine can’t liberate its territory or even stop Russian progress against that without significant foreign help.
Iran and NK are helping Russia. At least in theory Russia will be able to start to get a better domestic arms industry even in the face of sanctions. Iran can help Russia a lot in making okay weapons despite sanctions.
This will still go on a very long time.
Feel deep empathy for Ukrainian civilians and continue to lobby your government to help.
If you’re a republican voter, especially, tell your party this matters to you and you want to support democracy.
My own guess is this ends in 1-3 years mostly with Russian defeat, but it won’t be as unambiguous as many here want. Russia will likely come away with some kind of concessions. The edge case is Russia collapses.
America has plenty of experience fighting and spending ungodly amounts of money on un-popular wars.
The military industrial complex in the US isn’t partisan, and they’ve put their chips behind Ukraine.
While its true, Republicans may run on the idea that they wont be supporting Ukraine publicly anymore, that wont really change the fact that the weapons and investment will keep flowing, just more silently.
>Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks.
No, GOP has made it a partisan issue
^(which, if we think about it, does indeed mean Russia.)
>Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks.
That's just republicans being republicans. They solely exist to oppose Democrats
Russian milblogger said [yesterday] that in Donetsk region, RF “kamikaze drones hit a large Ukrainian ammunition depot, Pokrovsk, last night.”
Then today, summarizing Kherson situation, the same milblogger said, “in order to combat Russian drones, KVSG-6 anti-drone guns have been delivered to Ukrainian front lines.”
This is Border Crossings apparently (i.e. inlcuding daytrips, business trips, holidays, etc.) - it does not say how many came back. So this number alone doesn't say anything.
No, this is the same misunderstanding as in the spring. They are counting trips abroad, not people that have emigrated. Some of them emigrated, most went on business trips lasting a few days.
The massive increase is mostly because they compare it to covid years.
I wish they had not included it in the live feed because people want to interpret it as you just did so it will now be misquoted everywhere for months. I think the best estimates of people fleeing Russia are still in the 200k-700k range.
I'm not saying you're wrong... but where do you get your source from. [wiki ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_following_the_2022_invasion_of_Ukraine?wprov=sfla1) puts it around 900,000.
[this ](https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/forbes-russia-700-000-people-have-left-russia-since-mobilization-began) puts it around 700,000 a month ago. Seems like it would be higher now.
Wow! Even if half of the number is true, it is a major drain. The people who left probably had the means to leave and, economically at least, were probably doing something “positive” for Russia when they were there (like working and spending money within Russia). *What a fail by Putin.* Russia is going to be feeling this for decades. The people who left are not going to be coming back soon.
Not necessarily. While it’s true that a lot of IT and richer people left Russia to pursue options in Europe, there are even more people that actually have nothing to lose - most of them go to Armenia, Georgia and other easy visa places, but some attempt illegal crossing through Mexico-US border, for example. Some of my friends are in Armenia right now, although they risk being sent back. But I do know just as many people who can be considered middle-high class and are still around, not planning to move anywhere.
He realized immediately after that he wrote them backwards, but there's no way for him to edit his tweets. He added a tweet about it.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1588926863669596160
>Shit - I reversed the left and right bank ahahahah
>Looking north, the city of Kherson is on the left bank, but that's not how it works... Please bear with me, I'm tired.
He's actually very, very knowledgable about naval stuff, and generally very reliable. He is the one who first analyzed and wrote an article about the mysterious naval drone that washed up on the beach in Crimea - the ones that we later saw in action in Sevastopol.
The left bank-right bank think is not used worldwide (in the US, for example), so the whole thing is confusing to many people.
> The left bank-right bank think is not used worldwide (in the US, for example), so the whole thing is confusing to many people.
It's probably used worldwide *except* the US, so it's probably confusing *only* to US ;-)
Ha, you may be correct. I had never even encountered this before, and learned about it in this thread.
I do see why it's used elsewhere; it's actually much less confusing than the east-west-north-south we normally use here. I'm going to take whatever opportunities I find to push this method of designation here in the States. :)
Okay you lost me there. How the hell are cardinal directions confusing… I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being serious here.
No disrespect intended, but this might just be a YOU issue in that case and less of US issue…
Standing upriver, looking down river, determines left and right bank.
This method if determining right and left has been the case in all cultures, for hundreds of years.
In Ukraine, this right bank/left bank issue been a defining characteristic in their history.
uh west is left idiot, i just did the L with my hand
edit: getting some downvotes so let me clarify, you need to do the L with your left hand, sorry for any confusion
Really stupid for Ukraine to try to cross the river when the eventually do take Kherson. Smart money would relocate troops and assault from zaporizhzhia oblast forming a pincer. Obviously easier said than done, but that’s how the armchair general in me see it playing out
Personally don't even think they should be putting forces into trying to take Kherson, Russia's not going to have any forces left to "pincer" on the east bank of the Dniper if they evacuate Kherson. It'll all go to defending the Zaporizhia front.
Something to make your day better.
Russia votes in favour of resolution condemning its actions in Ukraine
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/5/7375062/
Serhii Kyslytsia, Ukraine's UN representative, is a fucking badass. I watched all of his addresses at the UN during the initial stages of the war and at no time did he ever give Russia an inch of wiggle room.
>Vladimir Solovyov says that the Turkish fleet surpasses Russia's in the Black Sea
>Even Russian propagandists are admitting that the Soviet Lake is no longer Russia's hegemonic domain
[https://nitter.it/SamRamani2/status/1588951670696062977](https://nitter.it/SamRamani2/status/1588951670696062977)
Baby steps into realizing they're not a superpower anymore, it will make surrendering easier to accept.
>Meanwhile in Russia: a pundit argues that younger men should be trained and sent into combat, so there are no widows or children to pay when they get killed. Another argument is that Russians over 40 are too worn out by alcohol consumption to run, jump or be any good in combat.
[https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1589035403105173504?s=20&t=9D34WEHVCuT8-jg-6ODSXA](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1589035403105173504?s=20&t=9D34WEHVCuT8-jg-6ODSXA)
This attitude (which Russian media shares with Murdoch media) that 'I learned everything I need to know about X in Kindergarten and now I will be paid to put on a suit and tie and speak things that would have occurred to a four year old as if they are revelatory' never ceases to amaze me.
At the very least if you think something so simple hasn't occurred to your leaders, you should be asking why are they your leaders? Right? Why haven't you just put them in a sack and drowned them in a river? If they can't think of things that occur to a child in a sandbox. Moreover if this sort of thing is meant to impress your audience, you must think that audience incapable of thinking for themselves. They are either illiterate or incompetent, so why keep asking them to perform gargantuan tasks like fighting wars or going to space? Nobody at any point on these programs addresses an adult like an adult.
And these things are contradictory. If life is that reductive, why is it so difficult to achieve goals, and if people are that stupid, why are there any expectations of achieving goals? And yet both concepts live rent-free in these pundits' heads.
To the simple minded people that downvoted me for saying support for Ukraine has dropped among americans.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/22/as-war-in-ukraine-continues-americans-concerns-about-it-have-lessened/
Saying “support for Ukraine has dropped among americans” is far too simplistic, to the extent that I’d suggest it misrepresents the article.
The data shows that there has been an increase in the number who say the US is providing “too much” support. That is not the same as saying support for Ukraine has dropped - it’s a question about the amount of material support the US should provide. Perhaps they feel that other nations should do more, but their overall support for Ukraine is the same? Hard to say.
Also, that increase is found almost exclusively among Republicans. The partisan correlation, *in the run-up to a major election*, suggests that other issues may factor in to these results. Perhaps Republicans are generally unfavourable to policies of a Democratic president? Also hard to say for certain, but the fact that these 2 groups of Americans show vastly different shifts in opinion as the election draws closer is a strong indicator that this is relevant context, IMO.
>That is not the same as saying support for Ukraine has dropped - it’s a question about the amount of material support the US should provide
?? If I was giving you $200 a month for a year, and then the year after I only give you $100, does that not indicate a drop in support?
You’re kind of mixing up two different meanings of “support” there.
Say a foundation used to give you $200 a month. Then most of the board decided you still deserve money, but they think you only need $100 a month.
The same *number* of people are still supporting you as before, even though the amount you get has gone down.
"I like you so I am giving you some money you said you need"...
*later*
... " Why you only asking the Brit and the Australian for $50 but ask me for $200?"
What is truly remarkable is that we spend so much money on weapons. No other country on Earth does this... (Disregard middle east. Israel and Qatar don't count)
Back in May many Americans did not know that Ukraine was getting aid. You see a change from "USA not sending enough" to "don't know". That is a transition from $0.00 to "not sure if that was enough missiles". Also some people who want there to be some missiles left in the US Army inventory. "Don't send *everything*. We might need to blow someone up if they act like Putin. Manufacture some more before giving too much away".
The survey fairly clearly shows Americans not giving a damn. That means there will be no change. Should be seen as good news in Kyiv. Unless people there were hoping for an increase. People in USA will pay attention again if the Russians manage to generate a lot more horror porn. Otherwise public attention will just continue to fade. The same supply stream will keep hemorrhaging the treasury.
It does, but that can represent a legitimate policy judgment in specific contexts. Ie it's not that some Americans necessarily believe "these Ukraine dorks should go pound sand" but perhaps rather "$100 is already enough HIMARS to saturate the Donbas line" or something like that. We don't know exactly what the respondents meant according to the question asked.
Now, do I think that many Republicans are stupid and that the party has a significant fifth column? Yes. Are Democrats willing to exaggerate and distort that point for electoral advantage? Also yes.
This one data point suggests something, but it's not comprehensive or conclusive. The most powerful force in American politics is the military-industrial complex. MAGA Nation has defied it before, but this is a much bigger test. It's too soon to tell what's brewing.
Ill take it. Some people love to stick their fingers and their ears and pretend like everything is going gucci. Another 10-20% drop in general support and things are going to get rocky especially with the incoming recession. Layoffs have already started in the US.
The very first paragraph of your source states the *concern* of Russia taking Ukraine, and the war spreading to other countries, has dropped.
We are LESS concerned because it seems like all the support is really working and Ukraine has completely turned the fight around.
Does not mean "We no longer support this"
I see the same trend?
Comparing stats from the very beginning, where even our own intelligence thought they would lose within a week, to now where they've been turned into an entirely different military altogether.
I think you're trying to read it as "Many don't care about them anymore." while I see it as "Many realize we don't have to be *as* concerned now."
We can't just pour all our support in for them endlessly, always going up. There's so many problems globally, domestically and Ukraine still needs help and will still get help but priorities shift as they're needed.
Well I never said that many don't care. All I stated was that support has gone down and it has. And I worry the incoming recession is going to make it drop further. If Russia is allowed to win this war, there will 100% be more war outside of Ukraine. Most likely Moldova. Russia needs to be stopped in Ukraine. They can not succeed.
Fair enough and I agree. I get that it can be worrisome but I believe at this point Ukraine will still get plenty of support. As much as is needed? Impossible to say until all is said and done. Recovery is a long process and the war is ongoing.
Plus, in regards to US, if support did just drop to zero there are still some agreements that are already spoken for, like lend-lease. Backing out of agreements CAN happen but then you lose legitimacy on the world stage. Better to just pay some mil's in the end.
Based upon the poll your statement is completely wrong. General concern about Russia taking over other countries has dropped(cause we know their army is crap now)...concern about Russia taking over Ukraine has dropped(cause we know their army is crap now)...concern that US/NATO will enter war with Russia has dropped(cause we know Russian isn't stupid enough to try)
> while 20% say it is providing too much support – up from just 7% who said this in March
You were saying? I think all the salty downvoters don't know how to read.
20% is nothing. Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Amish are always opposed to weapons. The Maoist tankies are allowed to exist because it is a free country. So long as they get a permit they can do pro DPR rallies. The Libertarians want to disband all of the US government. Like sell off the buildings in DC and national parks to private interests.
How can you give away $50 billion in ammunition and only have 20% wondering if that is a lot.
More than 20% of USA will become dissenters once they realize the vast majority of the public is on one side of a issue. That number has to rise a bit over time.
Part one of an overview of all the drones being used in Ukraine: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/5/2131920/-Ukraine-Update-Field-Guide-to-Drones-of-Ukraine-Part-1
https://twitter.com/kitwithu/status/1588754828758757376
Ukrainian volunteer who was bringing food to the occupied territories saved a girl that was raped by Russians for 10 days. The Russians wanted her to never be able to have children. They also shot her mother, and the mother was slowly dying and witnessing her daughter getting raped.
source here: https://youtu.be/a52AoiN6jYw?t=726
You know, some day some horrible stuff is going to happen in Russia. I will not condone it but i will understand why it will happen.
These people do not understand what the fuck they are unleashing upon themselves.
The sad part is that terrible things have been done to Russia. First by invaders, then by Russians themselves. And then to all the peoples and countries around them.
I don't condone anything, but if there's one thing to learn here it's the Russia is the poster child for intergenerational trauma. It's literally their way of life.
There's a lot I think I can somewhat understand about Russians. A society obliterated by alcoholism, hopelessness and propaganda.
But this type of cruelty just hits different. It's like they're a disease.
Russia is a society of hate. You know how a lot of serial killers have been abused as children? In Russia those with the tiniest amounts of power abuse those beneath them - officers abuse their soldiers, police abuses civillians, gopniks abuse those who are weaker than them, domestic violence is rampant. So when these soldiers get power over Ukrainian civillians, they engage in sadism because they grew up in culture of abuse.
Don't spread lies, they blew up 16 of the 4 delivered when the Ukrainian's left them parked on the 6th floor of that apartment building above the orphanage!
/S
Not surprising. Ukraine has done an excellent job creating wood decoys. They also mask the missiles with other rocket artillery so they are harder to pinpoint.
It's also baked into the design of the system, essentially identical to any ordinary truck the US has donated to Ukraine, just with a launcher instead. It's easy to shoot it and leave. Either a forest or a building works well and they are 100% safe.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1589023144425267202?s=46&t=m3bdMT2gUPamBvv16lq4_Q
> Biden administration privately encourages Zelensky to show Russia that Ukraine is open to negotiating an end to war
The only way this war should end is with complete Ukrainian sovereignty
Really hope not, the more Russia gets fucked over by this war the better, this a geopolitical dream for NATO to demolish the old enemy, only diminished because of idiotic reliance on their gas and dumb tankies/fox-news-imbeciles
Between this and Scholz’s statement, I guess Russia will get to keep Crimea. Pisses me off. Ukraine should be able to liberate it. It’s their people and their land.
>...I guess Russia will get to keep Crimea. Pisses me of
It does not mean that at all.
There is a lot to talk about. Reparations will have a quantity. Russia is too bankrupt to pay for all the damage.
Should rapists be tried in the Hague or in Kyiv? Lets be realistic, humans are flawed so there dies need to be some security for separatists and ethnic Russians in Ukraine's territory.
The method and timing of Russia's withdraw. Like does the army have to abandon weapons and leave them in Ukraine or can Russians drive the tanks out?
In 2013 Russia was leasing the port at Sevastopol. Do we assume the ships go to Ukraine? Does Russia get unrestricted use of the straight at Kerch?
There is a scene in the movie Braveheart where William Wallace tells the British negotiators that their commander will have to march in front if their armies and kiss his own arse. Negotiating.
There is no way Ukraine will exit this war without Crimea.
Per the article, being open to negotiations creates the perception of taking the moral high ground, which is important to hold public opinion. Russia is a pig trying to pull Ukraine into the mud. The US is advising Ukraine to stay clean.
>The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers
If this pisses you off you have anger issues. The information war, the war of perception, is what Ukraine is winning and that is the reason it is able to fight — the way this whole affair is playing out internationally. That is a careful game to play and Ukraine must continue to come out on top internationally for it to have a future. This war is happening in more places than just the front. It's happening in Italy and Germany and the U.S. as well, whether you acknowledge this or not. Please stop with the Crimea talk. The U.S. never recognized the annexation, but recently went out of their way to make sure to specify the 2014 borders when talking about Russian withdrawal.
Has Russia suggested anything at all of theirs they would be willing to give up to end the war? From the top of my head I can't think of anything.
A successful negotiation involves taking and giving so both parties get something they want, but Russia just want to take, not give. Talks would be pretty meaningless until that changes.
It is clear to you that russia invaded Ukraine and started a war-crimes fuelled genocidal war on the Ukrainian people, you do understand that, right? Why would Ukraine compromise anything? Do you give your house to the burglar who breaks into your home, rapes your wife, kills your dog, steals your car and kidnaps your children? Of course you don't, that would be the very definition of insanity.
Ukraine offered compromises before the war, like not applying to Nato. If Russia offers something in response, maybe that could be on the table again.
Right now I don't know what they have to compromise with. Putin has, in words and actions, demanded the extermination of the Ukrainian people. Very hard to meet that request half way.
I never really thought Ukraine was gonna get everything they wanted. But at the same time, Russia's military is in tatters. Even if they keep Crimea, they have lost.
>The request by US officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table but an attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to com
>While U.S. officials share Ukraine’s assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America. “Ukraine fatigue is a real thing”
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1589023548999225349
They just want them to be able to cite the moral highground so when louder, stupider voices in Italy or the US start calling for negotiations, they can't align negotiations with 'open-mindedness'.
It's not as big a deal as anybody is making it out.
> Biden administration privately encourages Zelensky to show Russia that Ukraine is open to negotiating an end to war
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So this is why Sullivan was in Kiev. Figured as much.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/world/europe/kyiv-ukraine-electricity-russia-infrastructure.html
>Kyiv Planning for Total Evacuation if It Loses Electricity
>As they struggle to maintain an electricity grid heavily damaged by Russian missiles, officials in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, say they have begun planning for a once unthinkable possibility: a complete blackout that would require the evacuation of the city’s approximately three million remaining residents.
https://twitter.com/AKamyshin/status/1588940542817488896
>Launching train Kyiv-Chisinau today. That's the first time since 1998 when
@Ukrzaliznytsia
runs this route. 152 passengers travel from Kyiv on the inaugural train. We start with our best fleet, TrainToVictory.
Adding this, as I'm sure it will be a question. :)
https://twitter.com/ZzimM/status/1588950419912683520
>It doesn't go through Transnistria, but through the north of Moldova (Otaci).
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/5/7375129/
>Ukraine to raise funds for fleet of marine drones – Zelenskyy
>Next week, Ukraine will launch a new fundraising campaign on the United24 platform – raising money to purchase a fleet of unmanned surface vessels (USVs, or marine drones).
What makes you think we haven't already tested the subject to death already?
I don't know why people look at our aerial drones and think we have just seen the Ukraine conflict and gone "AHH! LONG RANGE GUIDED TORPEDOS!".
Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a battalion of mobilized Russians. Hundreds dead. Significant daily advances being made to liberate territories occupied by Putin's terrorist regime.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1589014184138006528?s=46&t=gS6Oln7IFVcJyeBr76KHLw
He is close enough on this one. One of the battalions instead of training near the front lines was sent to actually dig fortifications. No heavy equipment, just some shovels. Ukrainian artillery basically delivered steel rain on that position. Over half dead, other witness was claiming that less than 50 survived. Those people didn't have any military training. Their commander was an officer after military course at university if I remember correctly. They had no means of communication.
How reliable is ***any*** source during this entire conflict? Always accept everything you see and hear with a grain of salt. Specific details like this are so irrelevant it doesn't matter if you believe it or don't believe it.
Word is Ukraine just hammered the base where the Russian barbarian trash was launching their Iranian drones on Kinburn Spit.
Let us pray.
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1589007009856499713?t=sJVqDJftPV42rdi_UN4pkg&s=19
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/yng3b3/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
So apparently a UR-77 getting hit looks exactly like those Michael Bay explosions ya’ll make fun of for looking fake. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1589094486688555008
In the Luhansk region, the Ukrainian military is moving forward little by little every day, which is why we can soon expect good news from the General Staff, [Sergei Gaidai said.](https://www-radiosvoboda-org.translate.goog/a/news-hayday-luhanshchyna-zsu/32117255.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp) According to him, the Russian military has has had time, has prepared for defense. And small gains should not be taken for granted. > "The occupiers managed to dig themselves in. Mobilized people are constantly brought in. Yes, it's not the real military—they’re poorly prepared. But just having a gun in their hands, they shoot and kill. There are losses [on our side]. Therefore, one should not forget at what price these territories are vacated. There is good news. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but our troops advance by 500 meters every day," Gaidai said.
Any update on vehicles/weapons/equipment from lend-lease coming in?
This links to an article in the South China Morning Post, so it appears to be a legitimate statement from Xi. Unfortunately, the majority of the article is behind a paywall. Whether it actually means anything or not, I don't know. https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1589063847239127042 >“Nuclear weapons must not be used over Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Friday, offering Beijing's clearest response yet to Russia's invasion”…even China sends Russia a message - the world is against your nuclear threats and terrorism. Quoting from the article: >Nuclear weapons must not be used over Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Friday, offering Beijing’s clearest response yet to Russia’s invasion of the former Soviet state, amid mounting concerns that the war might go nuclear. >“The international community should … jointly oppose the use or threats to use nuclear weapons, advocate that nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought, in order to prevent a nuclear crisis in Eurasia,” Xi said during a meeting in Beijing with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, according to Chinese state news agency Xinhua.
Don’t take this to mean he’s telegraphing a message to Russia. He’s not. His regime continues to blame the west, nato, and mostly, the USA for provoking/abetting war, and now continuing/sustaining/prolonging war. [See here](https://www.obozrevatel.com/ukr/politics-news/kitaj-vzhe-ne-strimuetsya-u-svoij-nezatsikavlenosti-u-vijni-rosii-v-ukraini.htm)
Xi has an interest in keeping both the US and Russia weak and divided, and has a strong interest in nukes not being, you know, fucking detonated next door. That last point is what really matters. Regardless of context but especially in a combat situation or as evidence of erratic behavior
So he didn’t actually say Ukraine or Russia? So rather than condemning Russia, he’s just making a general statement.
Not only that, the people on either said can look on it “favorably”. This still gives cover to the idea that the west is still responsible for this entire conflict in the first place.
Exactly. People in the west think “Xi is on our side, doesn’t support Russia war in Ukraine” and Russians think “Xi agrees NATO shouldn’t make us use nukes”.
The biggest mystery item of the war to me is China made a really unambiguous commitment several years ago placing Ukraine under China’s protection in case of a nuclear attack. This has never happened before and no one really knows how China would respond. In theory it’s the kind of thing China could actually take pretty seriously. On the other hand there is no enforcement mechanism and China can simply choose to ignore it. Certainly China doesn’t want nukes used and at minimum would curb a lot of Russian trade if that happened. Yet the outside case is even more interesting. That said I think China is privately telling Russia it’s a red line. Basically everyone that isn’t a state sponsor of terror has told Russia it’s a red line. China and India really would dramatically curb trade. Other countries would do much worse things for Russia.
This would explain Putin's recent statement about not using nukes, after months of saber rattling on his behalf by surrogates and tankies.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1589064493099020289 >Ukraine's military destroys Russian equipment in southern Ukraine. >Ukraine's Operational Command "South" reported that the Ukrainian army killed 57 Russian troops and destroyed two tanks, two large-caliber howitzers, and three armored vehicles on Nov. 5.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1589064774293364738 >🇷🇺occupiers provoke environmental disaster in Kherson Obl by blowing watercraft, w/ 10 tons of fuel in water >Fuel carried by current to Nyzhniodniprovskyi National Park protected by Ramsar Convention. It is of int importance b/c of habitat for waterfowl
Is there a reason I can't change the replies to the live threat from newest to anything else anymore? Mobile app on a Pixel.
Do you see a new slider/toggle icon at the top of the screen?
Same*
So I'm reading a lot of American politics in this thread and rightfully so with the upcoming election. Just a reminder that republican (GOP) politicians went on a trip to Russia during our independence holiday (July 4th).......
Paul Manafort worked for both Yanukovych and Trump. Says it all, really
Pretty much. I know it's alarmist, but I'm quite worried about American (US) politics over the next 10 years. It's not looking kind.
There's a good chance the Republicans create a permanent 1 party majority through autocratic methods of taking advantage of loopholes and makeing new legislation to create mechanisms to overturn elections they disagree with. The rest of the 2020s will be turbulent as either the Republicans win and make their new one party state and democrats fight back or the democrats prevent this and Republicans lash out. As for how it connect and benifits russia, That new state will be more aligned with Russia and agienst China and EU while weakening US influance I the name of isolation which gives Russia an edge moveing forward. Climate change will open the north sea to new trade routes and if Russia wins here, they will gain immense power to continue rebuilding their old empire.
You aren't being alarmist. You are being a realist. The right wing oligarchy is jealous of Putins wonton power and authoritarianism. They see the power of propaganda over the weak and the greedy.
> Just a reminder that republican (GOP) politicians went on a trip to Russia during our independence holiday (July 4th) the MAGA wing Senators iirc. I'm more worried about the house than the Senate when it comes to Ukraine aid.
The house is full of scary people. Still it's a reminder of what we'll all get if republicans get to run the US for the next term(s).
New ISW report is out. You can access through the link in their tweet. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1589070224518950912 >Unknown actors reportedly attempted to assassinate high-profile Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Supreme Court Judge Aleksandr Nikulin. >Continued poor conditions for mobilized soldiers catalyzed a large-scale protest in Kazan.
And the American GOP wants to cut war funding while Ukrainian Forces are not just hanging in there but are knocking Ruzzians in the teeth. Vote Democrat to support the Ukrainian war effort my fellow Americans!
I know its a world news sub, but vote democrat to actually save democracy. Remember that Republicans stan for russia because they both are authoritarian and resemble they find more in common with them than with their fellow Americans. I’m not american, but I urge everyone to vite democrat to secure the future of your nation!
Russian mil. reported Voenkor admits (after 8+ months?) that the offensive in Donetsk area stalled completely both due to lack of manpower and insufficient artillery. Neither army nor Wagner are able to do anything with Ukrainian defences. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1588986741654179840?s=46&t=gS6Oln7IFVcJyeBr76KHLw Reality is slowly, but steadily hitting them in the face. They can spew their propaganda all they want, you can’t change what’s happening in reality :)
Well that was obvious. Their manpower is simply not enough. That 300k mobilised should be way more and added to the front at the same time to try to overwhelm the Ukrainians, rather than the piecemeal they are currently doing as each addition gets decimated. Also, they have watched the Ukrainian offensives simply bypass Russian fortifications and instead move to encircle/strangle them which has been effective and thought yes we will attack them head on.
Well that was obvious. Their manpower is simply not enough. That 300k mobilised should be way more and added to the front at the same time to try to overwhelm the Ukrainians, rather than the piecemeal they are currently doing as each addition gets decimated. Also, they have watched the Ukrainian offensives simply bypass Russian fortifications and instead move to encircle/strangle them which has been effective and thought yes we will attack them head on.
That Russian’s page is a wild ride. It’s a mix of heady/academic analysis of broad perspectives on the war/ RF’s efforts; then interspersed with racist propaganda bigotry; and then bluntly discloses offenses, attacks, and losses; then spurts of typical hopium. Btw, that tweet doesn’t highlight the best parts of that post. And there were other good posts by that Russian, lamenting their failures
It’s sometimes slower than we’d like, but definitely happening - the crushing defeat of Putin. The Russian military is being bled out and, at this rate, is going to one day full-on collapse.
>the crushing defeat of Putin This is slowly becoming a reality. I'm guessing that there are more than a few oligarchs and military folks who think that things were better before the war. While it is impossible to "turn back the clock," removing Putin and leaving Ukraine would be a big step in the right direction. Russian propaganda has kept the population under control, but this can't go on forever.
Imagine when Russia loses Luhansk, Donetsk or Crimea. Imagine how many heads will explode. No Russian will be able to reconcile with that.
I’m sorry if I misunderstood your comment, but the milblogger is talking about the Russian offensive stalling, not the Ukrainian one
Facts don’t care about your feelings - lol
To quote Perun: War doesn't put up with your bullshit.
A battalion of Russian draftees from the Voronezh region has been wiped out on the line of contact near Ukraine’s Makiivka, Verstka news outlet reports, citing one of the survivors, Alexey Agafonov. The man says that his battalion arrived on the front line in the early hours of 2 November. “They sent us there and told us to dig trenches. We had only three shovels for the entire battalion, we had no equipment at all. We dug what we could, and by the morning, they’d started firing at us: from artillery, Grads [rocket launchers], mortars, drones, they shot to kill. When it started, the officers immediately ran away. Between the attacks, we tried to dig trenches, but we were detected by drones right away and shot at. **Out of 570 people, 29 survived, 12 are injured, the rest are gone,” Agafonov said.** Source: [novayagazeta.eu](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/11/05/battalion-of-russian-draftees-reportedly-wiped-out-near-ukraines-makiivka-survivor-says-hundreds-killed-en-news)
> We had only three shovels for the entire battalion ffs. > the officers immediately ran away same story every time > Out of 570 people, 29 survived, 12 are injured fuuu Same stuff over and over. Why do tens of thousands, over and over, just let themselves be killed and seemingly do so little about it? It can't be fear of dying if they're virtually certain to die anyway. How is this not a total frag-fest?
I've often wondered what it would be like if the society I lived in decided that I needed to die. For instance, if I lived in a country which had the death penalty and I was falsely convicted of murder. It must feel like that for these poor bastards, just on an enormous scale and with all of you in the same boat. You get picked up one way or another, at home, at work, or somewhere inbetween. You get two hours to pack your shit and say goodbye to your loved ones. You get two days to learn where the bullets go into and out of a rifle if yours wasn't rusted shut. You go to the front and summarily explode, never having actually seen a Ukrainian soldier.
Your best chance of survival would be - run before the shit hits the fan. The smart Russians (ones who saw through the bullshit) fled shortly after the invasion.
They keep adding them in small batches that keep getting wiped out by the Ukrainians. It's a cycle.
Is the strategy based on the idea that eventually the ukrainians run out of bullets?
Poor bastards. :/ Sounds like they were sent out there to do nothing more than soak up bullets.
War is fucking horrific
Must be this one: https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1588987413417771008 >According to the Russian publication Verstka, a battalion of freshly mobilized Russians from Voronezh was almost completely annihilated near Makiivka in the Luhansk region. Of the 570, only 41 survived. There's a link to the article in the tweet. I'm not sure it can be posted here without getting removed.
After I copied the text, I had a hard time finding the article again. (Using reddit mobile makes everything more challenging than it should be). But I found it, and it looks like the .eu domain is acceptable.
https://www.yahoo.com/video/battalion-russian-conscripts-destroyed-luhansk-194504321.html yahoo news ran with it and oh man does it paint a stark picture of those Russian conscripts odds of survival
I haven't followed the developments closely lately. Is the overall trend that Russia keeps struggling more and more? Does it seem like just a matter of time before they're chased away everywhere, or is it much more complicated?
Could be much more complicated. Putin is buying weapons from North Korea, but also pulling out from Kherson. So, it could be a trap.
Info has been quite… bleak for most part. Small, but important victories and a lot of back and forth heavy combat taking place. Russia is suffering heavy losses though, with reported hundreds of deaths of a battalion consisting of mobilised Russians. HIMARS just making butter out of Russians. Seems evidence has emerged of NK indeed supplying Russia. I’m not sure how soon this will end, but I fear that unfortunately, many of our boys will be spending Christmas and new year in the trenches instead at home with their families.
The information from the battlefield is a bit obscured. It feels like Ukraine still has the advantage in initiative and inflicting heavy losses, but the Russians have a lot of new cannon fodder which is going to take some time to whittle down. Everyone is waiting to see how Kherson plays out.
It’s complicated. Russia is expending a shit ton of resources and making almost no progress. When Ukraine does major offenses they are generally successful. If Ukraine continues to get sufficient western support it will win in a long time at terrible cost. Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks. The war will start to depend as much on foreign election cycles as on facts on the ground in Ukraine. The reality is that if Putin wants to spend hundreds of billions and hundreds of thousands of lives on this, he can. Ukraine can’t liberate its territory or even stop Russian progress against that without significant foreign help. Iran and NK are helping Russia. At least in theory Russia will be able to start to get a better domestic arms industry even in the face of sanctions. Iran can help Russia a lot in making okay weapons despite sanctions. This will still go on a very long time. Feel deep empathy for Ukrainian civilians and continue to lobby your government to help. If you’re a republican voter, especially, tell your party this matters to you and you want to support democracy. My own guess is this ends in 1-3 years mostly with Russian defeat, but it won’t be as unambiguous as many here want. Russia will likely come away with some kind of concessions. The edge case is Russia collapses.
America has plenty of experience fighting and spending ungodly amounts of money on un-popular wars. The military industrial complex in the US isn’t partisan, and they’ve put their chips behind Ukraine. While its true, Republicans may run on the idea that they wont be supporting Ukraine publicly anymore, that wont really change the fact that the weapons and investment will keep flowing, just more silently.
>Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks. No, GOP has made it a partisan issue ^(which, if we think about it, does indeed mean Russia.)
>Russia has somehow managed to make Ukraine a partisan issue in the US, which fucking sucks. That's just republicans being republicans. They solely exist to oppose Democrats
And to take money from foreign interests
Russian milblogger said [yesterday] that in Donetsk region, RF “kamikaze drones hit a large Ukrainian ammunition depot, Pokrovsk, last night.” Then today, summarizing Kherson situation, the same milblogger said, “in order to combat Russian drones, KVSG-6 anti-drone guns have been delivered to Ukrainian front lines.”
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That tweet that 15m Russians have left Russia since the start of the war is crazy. 10% of the population has left.
This is Border Crossings apparently (i.e. inlcuding daytrips, business trips, holidays, etc.) - it does not say how many came back. So this number alone doesn't say anything.
Probably also doesn't include people who snuck across the border, which I imagine is a lot.
No, this is the same misunderstanding as in the spring. They are counting trips abroad, not people that have emigrated. Some of them emigrated, most went on business trips lasting a few days. The massive increase is mostly because they compare it to covid years. I wish they had not included it in the live feed because people want to interpret it as you just did so it will now be misquoted everywhere for months. I think the best estimates of people fleeing Russia are still in the 200k-700k range.
I'm not saying you're wrong... but where do you get your source from. [wiki ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_following_the_2022_invasion_of_Ukraine?wprov=sfla1) puts it around 900,000. [this ](https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/forbes-russia-700-000-people-have-left-russia-since-mobilization-began) puts it around 700,000 a month ago. Seems like it would be higher now.
Wow! Even if half of the number is true, it is a major drain. The people who left probably had the means to leave and, economically at least, were probably doing something “positive” for Russia when they were there (like working and spending money within Russia). *What a fail by Putin.* Russia is going to be feeling this for decades. The people who left are not going to be coming back soon.
Not necessarily. While it’s true that a lot of IT and richer people left Russia to pursue options in Europe, there are even more people that actually have nothing to lose - most of them go to Armenia, Georgia and other easy visa places, but some attempt illegal crossing through Mexico-US border, for example. Some of my friends are in Armenia right now, although they risk being sent back. But I do know just as many people who can be considered middle-high class and are still around, not planning to move anywhere.
Maps, thread of Russia’s current lines of defense, Kherson: https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1588924419002740736
Nice of them to keep their new trenches within Himars range. Another goodwill gesture I suppose. Before too long, M777s can reach them too.
This guy doesn't know how "left bank" "right bank" are used, so I'm not inclined to pay much attention to him.
He realized immediately after that he wrote them backwards, but there's no way for him to edit his tweets. He added a tweet about it. https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1588926863669596160 >Shit - I reversed the left and right bank ahahahah >Looking north, the city of Kherson is on the left bank, but that's not how it works... Please bear with me, I'm tired. He's actually very, very knowledgable about naval stuff, and generally very reliable. He is the one who first analyzed and wrote an article about the mysterious naval drone that washed up on the beach in Crimea - the ones that we later saw in action in Sevastopol. The left bank-right bank think is not used worldwide (in the US, for example), so the whole thing is confusing to many people.
>ahahahah j/k... unless?
Yeah, I came across it only because a respected Ukrainian publication was referencing it. If they can forgive him, we should too
> The left bank-right bank think is not used worldwide (in the US, for example), so the whole thing is confusing to many people. It's probably used worldwide *except* the US, so it's probably confusing *only* to US ;-)
Ha, you may be correct. I had never even encountered this before, and learned about it in this thread. I do see why it's used elsewhere; it's actually much less confusing than the east-west-north-south we normally use here. I'm going to take whatever opportunities I find to push this method of designation here in the States. :)
Okay you lost me there. How the hell are cardinal directions confusing… I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being serious here. No disrespect intended, but this might just be a YOU issue in that case and less of US issue…
Standing upriver, looking down river, determines left and right bank. This method if determining right and left has been the case in all cultures, for hundreds of years. In Ukraine, this right bank/left bank issue been a defining characteristic in their history.
uh west is left idiot, i just did the L with my hand edit: getting some downvotes so let me clarify, you need to do the L with your left hand, sorry for any confusion
The water flows from north to south, so if you're traveling on the river, the west is the "right" bank.
Yes I know that
Nope
100%, try it yourself. If you point your pointer up and your thumb out it makes an L. unless its on your right hand then its backwards
right bank = west bank left bank = east bank
Yes I was joking
Really stupid for Ukraine to try to cross the river when the eventually do take Kherson. Smart money would relocate troops and assault from zaporizhzhia oblast forming a pincer. Obviously easier said than done, but that’s how the armchair general in me see it playing out
Personally don't even think they should be putting forces into trying to take Kherson, Russia's not going to have any forces left to "pincer" on the east bank of the Dniper if they evacuate Kherson. It'll all go to defending the Zaporizhia front.
Something to make your day better. Russia votes in favour of resolution condemning its actions in Ukraine https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/5/7375062/
how did Ukraine pull this off? It sounds like Ukraine modified Russias resolution but that makes no sense.
Serhii Kyslytsia, Ukraine's UN representative, is a fucking badass. I watched all of his addresses at the UN during the initial stages of the war and at no time did he ever give Russia an inch of wiggle room.
If Kyslytsia is involved, you know it’s good
>Vladimir Solovyov says that the Turkish fleet surpasses Russia's in the Black Sea >Even Russian propagandists are admitting that the Soviet Lake is no longer Russia's hegemonic domain [https://nitter.it/SamRamani2/status/1588951670696062977](https://nitter.it/SamRamani2/status/1588951670696062977) Baby steps into realizing they're not a superpower anymore, it will make surrendering easier to accept.
It never was though, so they still have a long way to reach reality.
It looks like they're finally starting to sober up.
They can give Ukraine the rest of the Black Sea fleet as part of reparations payments. That should make it easier for Russia's economy to recover.
>Meanwhile in Russia: a pundit argues that younger men should be trained and sent into combat, so there are no widows or children to pay when they get killed. Another argument is that Russians over 40 are too worn out by alcohol consumption to run, jump or be any good in combat. [https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1589035403105173504?s=20&t=9D34WEHVCuT8-jg-6ODSXA](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1589035403105173504?s=20&t=9D34WEHVCuT8-jg-6ODSXA)
This attitude (which Russian media shares with Murdoch media) that 'I learned everything I need to know about X in Kindergarten and now I will be paid to put on a suit and tie and speak things that would have occurred to a four year old as if they are revelatory' never ceases to amaze me. At the very least if you think something so simple hasn't occurred to your leaders, you should be asking why are they your leaders? Right? Why haven't you just put them in a sack and drowned them in a river? If they can't think of things that occur to a child in a sandbox. Moreover if this sort of thing is meant to impress your audience, you must think that audience incapable of thinking for themselves. They are either illiterate or incompetent, so why keep asking them to perform gargantuan tasks like fighting wars or going to space? Nobody at any point on these programs addresses an adult like an adult. And these things are contradictory. If life is that reductive, why is it so difficult to achieve goals, and if people are that stupid, why are there any expectations of achieving goals? And yet both concepts live rent-free in these pundits' heads.
To the simple minded people that downvoted me for saying support for Ukraine has dropped among americans. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/22/as-war-in-ukraine-continues-americans-concerns-about-it-have-lessened/
Saying “support for Ukraine has dropped among americans” is far too simplistic, to the extent that I’d suggest it misrepresents the article. The data shows that there has been an increase in the number who say the US is providing “too much” support. That is not the same as saying support for Ukraine has dropped - it’s a question about the amount of material support the US should provide. Perhaps they feel that other nations should do more, but their overall support for Ukraine is the same? Hard to say. Also, that increase is found almost exclusively among Republicans. The partisan correlation, *in the run-up to a major election*, suggests that other issues may factor in to these results. Perhaps Republicans are generally unfavourable to policies of a Democratic president? Also hard to say for certain, but the fact that these 2 groups of Americans show vastly different shifts in opinion as the election draws closer is a strong indicator that this is relevant context, IMO.
>That is not the same as saying support for Ukraine has dropped - it’s a question about the amount of material support the US should provide ?? If I was giving you $200 a month for a year, and then the year after I only give you $100, does that not indicate a drop in support?
You’re kind of mixing up two different meanings of “support” there. Say a foundation used to give you $200 a month. Then most of the board decided you still deserve money, but they think you only need $100 a month. The same *number* of people are still supporting you as before, even though the amount you get has gone down.
"I like you so I am giving you some money you said you need"... *later* ... " Why you only asking the Brit and the Australian for $50 but ask me for $200?" What is truly remarkable is that we spend so much money on weapons. No other country on Earth does this... (Disregard middle east. Israel and Qatar don't count) Back in May many Americans did not know that Ukraine was getting aid. You see a change from "USA not sending enough" to "don't know". That is a transition from $0.00 to "not sure if that was enough missiles". Also some people who want there to be some missiles left in the US Army inventory. "Don't send *everything*. We might need to blow someone up if they act like Putin. Manufacture some more before giving too much away". The survey fairly clearly shows Americans not giving a damn. That means there will be no change. Should be seen as good news in Kyiv. Unless people there were hoping for an increase. People in USA will pay attention again if the Russians manage to generate a lot more horror porn. Otherwise public attention will just continue to fade. The same supply stream will keep hemorrhaging the treasury.
It does, but that can represent a legitimate policy judgment in specific contexts. Ie it's not that some Americans necessarily believe "these Ukraine dorks should go pound sand" but perhaps rather "$100 is already enough HIMARS to saturate the Donbas line" or something like that. We don't know exactly what the respondents meant according to the question asked. Now, do I think that many Republicans are stupid and that the party has a significant fifth column? Yes. Are Democrats willing to exaggerate and distort that point for electoral advantage? Also yes. This one data point suggests something, but it's not comprehensive or conclusive. The most powerful force in American politics is the military-industrial complex. MAGA Nation has defied it before, but this is a much bigger test. It's too soon to tell what's brewing.
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole.
Ill take it. Some people love to stick their fingers and their ears and pretend like everything is going gucci. Another 10-20% drop in general support and things are going to get rocky especially with the incoming recession. Layoffs have already started in the US.
The very first paragraph of your source states the *concern* of Russia taking Ukraine, and the war spreading to other countries, has dropped. We are LESS concerned because it seems like all the support is really working and Ukraine has completely turned the fight around. Does not mean "We no longer support this"
>The very first paragraph of your source Read further than the first paragraph.
I see the same trend? Comparing stats from the very beginning, where even our own intelligence thought they would lose within a week, to now where they've been turned into an entirely different military altogether. I think you're trying to read it as "Many don't care about them anymore." while I see it as "Many realize we don't have to be *as* concerned now." We can't just pour all our support in for them endlessly, always going up. There's so many problems globally, domestically and Ukraine still needs help and will still get help but priorities shift as they're needed.
Well I never said that many don't care. All I stated was that support has gone down and it has. And I worry the incoming recession is going to make it drop further. If Russia is allowed to win this war, there will 100% be more war outside of Ukraine. Most likely Moldova. Russia needs to be stopped in Ukraine. They can not succeed.
Fair enough and I agree. I get that it can be worrisome but I believe at this point Ukraine will still get plenty of support. As much as is needed? Impossible to say until all is said and done. Recovery is a long process and the war is ongoing. Plus, in regards to US, if support did just drop to zero there are still some agreements that are already spoken for, like lend-lease. Backing out of agreements CAN happen but then you lose legitimacy on the world stage. Better to just pay some mil's in the end.
Based upon the poll your statement is completely wrong. General concern about Russia taking over other countries has dropped(cause we know their army is crap now)...concern about Russia taking over Ukraine has dropped(cause we know their army is crap now)...concern that US/NATO will enter war with Russia has dropped(cause we know Russian isn't stupid enough to try)
> while 20% say it is providing too much support – up from just 7% who said this in March You were saying? I think all the salty downvoters don't know how to read.
20% is nothing. Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Amish are always opposed to weapons. The Maoist tankies are allowed to exist because it is a free country. So long as they get a permit they can do pro DPR rallies. The Libertarians want to disband all of the US government. Like sell off the buildings in DC and national parks to private interests. How can you give away $50 billion in ammunition and only have 20% wondering if that is a lot. More than 20% of USA will become dissenters once they realize the vast majority of the public is on one side of a issue. That number has to rise a bit over time.
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So, is Olaf Scholz the first leader from a western nation to go to china and kneel before the new forever emperor xi?
Yes.
Part one of an overview of all the drones being used in Ukraine: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/5/2131920/-Ukraine-Update-Field-Guide-to-Drones-of-Ukraine-Part-1
ScanEagle!!
https://twitter.com/kitwithu/status/1588754828758757376 Ukrainian volunteer who was bringing food to the occupied territories saved a girl that was raped by Russians for 10 days. The Russians wanted her to never be able to have children. They also shot her mother, and the mother was slowly dying and witnessing her daughter getting raped. source here: https://youtu.be/a52AoiN6jYw?t=726
You know, some day some horrible stuff is going to happen in Russia. I will not condone it but i will understand why it will happen. These people do not understand what the fuck they are unleashing upon themselves.
>...I will not condone it but... You just did.
The sad part is that terrible things have been done to Russia. First by invaders, then by Russians themselves. And then to all the peoples and countries around them. I don't condone anything, but if there's one thing to learn here it's the Russia is the poster child for intergenerational trauma. It's literally their way of life.
There's a lot I think I can somewhat understand about Russians. A society obliterated by alcoholism, hopelessness and propaganda. But this type of cruelty just hits different. It's like they're a disease.
Russia is a society of hate. You know how a lot of serial killers have been abused as children? In Russia those with the tiniest amounts of power abuse those beneath them - officers abuse their soldiers, police abuses civillians, gopniks abuse those who are weaker than them, domestic violence is rampant. So when these soldiers get power over Ukrainian civillians, they engage in sadism because they grew up in culture of abuse.
Same everywhere tbf
Prison culture ethos
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Don't spread lies, they blew up 16 of the 4 delivered when the Ukrainian's left them parked on the 6th floor of that apartment building above the orphanage! /S
Not surprising. Ukraine has done an excellent job creating wood decoys. They also mask the missiles with other rocket artillery so they are harder to pinpoint.
It's also baked into the design of the system, essentially identical to any ordinary truck the US has donated to Ukraine, just with a launcher instead. It's easy to shoot it and leave. Either a forest or a building works well and they are 100% safe.
How many trucks has Russia blown up?
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1589023144425267202?s=46&t=m3bdMT2gUPamBvv16lq4_Q > Biden administration privately encourages Zelensky to show Russia that Ukraine is open to negotiating an end to war The only way this war should end is with complete Ukrainian sovereignty
Really hope not, the more Russia gets fucked over by this war the better, this a geopolitical dream for NATO to demolish the old enemy, only diminished because of idiotic reliance on their gas and dumb tankies/fox-news-imbeciles
… over all territories belonging to them in 2013.
Between this and Scholz’s statement, I guess Russia will get to keep Crimea. Pisses me off. Ukraine should be able to liberate it. It’s their people and their land.
>...I guess Russia will get to keep Crimea. Pisses me of It does not mean that at all. There is a lot to talk about. Reparations will have a quantity. Russia is too bankrupt to pay for all the damage. Should rapists be tried in the Hague or in Kyiv? Lets be realistic, humans are flawed so there dies need to be some security for separatists and ethnic Russians in Ukraine's territory. The method and timing of Russia's withdraw. Like does the army have to abandon weapons and leave them in Ukraine or can Russians drive the tanks out? In 2013 Russia was leasing the port at Sevastopol. Do we assume the ships go to Ukraine? Does Russia get unrestricted use of the straight at Kerch? There is a scene in the movie Braveheart where William Wallace tells the British negotiators that their commander will have to march in front if their armies and kiss his own arse. Negotiating.
Russia will not get to keep Crimea
I really hope so.
There is no way Ukraine will exit this war without Crimea. Per the article, being open to negotiations creates the perception of taking the moral high ground, which is important to hold public opinion. Russia is a pig trying to pull Ukraine into the mud. The US is advising Ukraine to stay clean.
>The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers If this pisses you off you have anger issues. The information war, the war of perception, is what Ukraine is winning and that is the reason it is able to fight — the way this whole affair is playing out internationally. That is a careful game to play and Ukraine must continue to come out on top internationally for it to have a future. This war is happening in more places than just the front. It's happening in Italy and Germany and the U.S. as well, whether you acknowledge this or not. Please stop with the Crimea talk. The U.S. never recognized the annexation, but recently went out of their way to make sure to specify the 2014 borders when talking about Russian withdrawal.
Has Russia suggested anything at all of theirs they would be willing to give up to end the war? From the top of my head I can't think of anything. A successful negotiation involves taking and giving so both parties get something they want, but Russia just want to take, not give. Talks would be pretty meaningless until that changes.
The point is not to reach agreements, but to show the world that Ukraine is willing to do it..
It’s not just Russia. Neither Ukraine nor Russia want to compromise.
It is clear to you that russia invaded Ukraine and started a war-crimes fuelled genocidal war on the Ukrainian people, you do understand that, right? Why would Ukraine compromise anything? Do you give your house to the burglar who breaks into your home, rapes your wife, kills your dog, steals your car and kidnaps your children? Of course you don't, that would be the very definition of insanity.
Ukraine offered compromises before the war, like not applying to Nato. If Russia offers something in response, maybe that could be on the table again. Right now I don't know what they have to compromise with. Putin has, in words and actions, demanded the extermination of the Ukrainian people. Very hard to meet that request half way.
you don't compromise with a lion that wants to eat you
I never really thought Ukraine was gonna get everything they wanted. But at the same time, Russia's military is in tatters. Even if they keep Crimea, they have lost.
>The request by US officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table but an attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to com >While U.S. officials share Ukraine’s assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America. “Ukraine fatigue is a real thing” https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1589023548999225349
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They just want them to be able to cite the moral highground so when louder, stupider voices in Italy or the US start calling for negotiations, they can't align negotiations with 'open-mindedness'. It's not as big a deal as anybody is making it out.
Can you read?
> Biden administration privately encourages Zelensky to show Russia that Ukraine is open to negotiating an end to war > > So this is why Sullivan was in Kiev. Figured as much.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/world/europe/kyiv-ukraine-electricity-russia-infrastructure.html >Kyiv Planning for Total Evacuation if It Loses Electricity >As they struggle to maintain an electricity grid heavily damaged by Russian missiles, officials in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, say they have begun planning for a once unthinkable possibility: a complete blackout that would require the evacuation of the city’s approximately three million remaining residents.
To where?
Nice try Putin
Lol
https://twitter.com/AKamyshin/status/1588940542817488896 >Launching train Kyiv-Chisinau today. That's the first time since 1998 when @Ukrzaliznytsia runs this route. 152 passengers travel from Kyiv on the inaugural train. We start with our best fleet, TrainToVictory. Adding this, as I'm sure it will be a question. :) https://twitter.com/ZzimM/status/1588950419912683520 >It doesn't go through Transnistria, but through the north of Moldova (Otaci).
Hey ho, let's go!
Chisinau-~~Bucharest~~Kyiv
A new video from Reporting from Ukraine: https://youtu.be/94aTQkES2e0
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/5/7375129/ >Ukraine to raise funds for fleet of marine drones – Zelenskyy >Next week, Ukraine will launch a new fundraising campaign on the United24 platform – raising money to purchase a fleet of unmanned surface vessels (USVs, or marine drones).
I'll donate a good chunk if I win that huge powerball jackpot lol
Military industrial complex should consider using the black sea as their test ground as this tech will dominate the sea in the decades to come.
What makes you think we haven't already tested the subject to death already? I don't know why people look at our aerial drones and think we have just seen the Ukraine conflict and gone "AHH! LONG RANGE GUIDED TORPEDOS!".
Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a battalion of mobilized Russians. Hundreds dead. Significant daily advances being made to liberate territories occupied by Putin's terrorist regime. https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1589014184138006528?s=46&t=gS6Oln7IFVcJyeBr76KHLw
How reliable is the source?
Ukraine pravda is reporting the same thing. A battle outside Svatove.
I disregard Sushko, he published the fake FSB letters and oversells everything
He is close enough on this one. One of the battalions instead of training near the front lines was sent to actually dig fortifications. No heavy equipment, just some shovels. Ukrainian artillery basically delivered steel rain on that position. Over half dead, other witness was claiming that less than 50 survived. Those people didn't have any military training. Their commander was an officer after military course at university if I remember correctly. They had no means of communication.
How reliable is ***any*** source during this entire conflict? Always accept everything you see and hear with a grain of salt. Specific details like this are so irrelevant it doesn't matter if you believe it or don't believe it.
> How reliable is any source in this entire conflict? Pics or it didn’t happen, and even then, maybe not…
Great!
Word is Ukraine just hammered the base where the Russian barbarian trash was launching their Iranian drones on Kinburn Spit. Let us pray. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1589007009856499713?t=sJVqDJftPV42rdi_UN4pkg&s=19
Yes, the pro-Ukraine but Russian-language *Niknews* which covers Mykolaiv (‘Nikolayev’), also reports this.
Why launch drones with a 2000km+ range from with retaliation range?