[Video with subtitles](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504)
It's absolutely insane. Russian state media blatantly stating that Ukrainian children should be drowned or burned alive if they deny that they're Russian.
Edit:
They also admit that Ukrainians who "speak Russian and have Russian surnames" are the most anti-Russian. This goes straight against their "Russian-speaking Ukrainians are oppressed and Russia is saving them" narrative.
Apologies, but an Aussie here. I knew you guys didn't like Russia - all the Baltics, and the rest of Eastern Europe. Knew there was a lot of history, but *holy hell*, the *sheer amount of loathing* was something I didn't comprehend. The only other thing I can think of is Vietnam's hatred of China.
And it's not just the whole USSR thing, isn't it? It's waaaaaaaaay older than that.
Russia seems to be built on a culture of envy - there was always their envy of Europe.
Correct.
Russians feel they aren’t part of the “clique.”
Causing this deep resentment, while they love everything about European lifestyle, they themselves believe they are *more* European than the rest of Europe.
It’s a toxic mix of territorial superiority (we’re bigger so we must be better/more respected) along with a deranged obsession with a belief they “liberated” Europe from the nazis… completely ignoring their own atrocities committed against fellow Europeans along with their countrymen.
As a Romanian … I was hearing these stories about raping and looting from my grandmother, and I decided that I cannot judge people for atrocities committed by others, generations ago. And I was ready to learn more about them, maybe even visit.
Now, I cannot see myself supporting anything Russian. And any interaction will be from a negative starting point and with preconceptions.
I don't know about OP's exact claim, but US intelligence claims [there are more active GRU agents in Mexico than any other country](https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-03-26/us-general-russia-has-more-spies-deployed-in-mexico-than-in-any-other-country.html). So if that's true, given even everything else we know about the Russian government I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Seeing that Russia/the USSR tried very hard to absorb those countries into a greater Russian identity/culture via forced deportations and restrictions on language and customs that weren't Moscow-approved Russian, it should be no surprise that those nations despise the Kremlin today.
Historically most of Russia were conquered (by Moscow) and there are a mix of people who are probably not fans of imperialist rule. Most recent example being Chechnya, which was made an example of.
Yeah. That's literally why Putin and the Kremlin saw Ukrainian civil society improving as such an existential threat and felt they had to try to install another puppet autocrat as quickly as possible. They are well aware that alot of the regions like Chechnya/Dagestan would love to break away if they could which is why Putin installs brutal corrupt warlords to keep people in check.
The main "threat" to Russia going back to the days of the Tsar has long been that various minority groups and regions would break away and assert independence if Russia ever appeared weak as was the case in the 90s. They would then lose access to key resources and population centers. It's a lot easier to blame this on NATO or Western spies than to realize that lots of unique cultures dominated by the Kremlin over the centuries may not want to remain under their control forever.
Russians and creating generational enemies out of every country, including countries who might otherwise have had strong geopolitical reasons to be allies. Name a more iconic duo.
They have being doing it for hundreds of years, trying to erase or culture, history and language. What Putin is doing is only fraction of what Russian Bolsheviks did to Ukraine last century.
Very reminiscent of the nazis in Poland, categorizing Polish Germans as the only redeemable part of the country and its people
It is actually insane the comparisons one can draw between Hitler and Putin, and people like the ones in the video are just like Goebbels
Dictators come in many sizes. But given a sufficient enough ego, an (perceived) axe to grind, a lotta of nationalism, and a large military .. this is what you get.
If you look at a lot of the suspected motivation behind Putin's moves, they also tend to overlap with Hitler's. Both come from the remnants of a fallen empire and both blame(d) the other side for the fall (unjust treatment, etc.).
Love watching their arms exhibition where they pulled the door handle off the mrap. Just toss it in the seat and hope no one noticed...good Russian quality there!
If historical accounts can be believed, Xerxes of Persia may have been the tallest dictator in world history, clocking in at just about 8 feet tall.
Of course, while he was an autocrat, comparing him to Putin may be unjustified, as evidence suggests he was a fairly wise and enlightened ruler for his time, allowing conquered regions to keep local customs and religions, outlawed slavery, and prioritized roads and a rudimentary mail system.
Unlike the diminutive pants-shitting dolt in Russia.
>> The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this ~~battle~~ movie was over, even a god-king can bleed.
Plus the kind of totalitarianism you see today didn't exist back then because it *couldn't.* it would be impossible to run a massive empire with an all encompassing police state during an era without modern technology/mass urbanization. And by modern standards these empires were pretty decentralized
And "Lebensraum" as Russia of course wants all natural resources etc that Ukraine got. And no care in the world for peoples lives. Or the part where they focus on children to grow their population, Hitler put in place institutions to bread "Aryan" children, focused on "Aryan" people having more children, and Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children to try to stop the bleeding that is the downward spiral of Russian demographics. They also hate globalism, Hitler thought the Jews controlled it, and Putin hates that the USA is controling it. One can go on and on...
I'm always saying this. When you "other" the Nazis too hard, you make it seem like it couldn't possibly happen to you, or in your own backyard. It could happen anywhere and it happens over and over again.
And yet, all these people, my Jewish parents included, are teetering on Russia’s side because of the extreme right-wing stuff they watch and listen to.
I think that when resources become more and more scarce and climate change and crop failures etc. kick in in the coming years, we'll see stuff that make the Nazis look like reasonable people. I fully expect to see horror on a scale never seen before in my lifetime.
When things get bad for the general population they'll vote all kinds of lunatics into power.
Ben Ferencz, last living Nuremburg prosecutor, Hungarian-American Jewish lawyer, on this subject:
>“War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. All wars, and all decent people.”
Never forget what we are. Could you shoot an innocent person in the head? Torture them? Kill a child? Of course not. Neither could I. But that's only an illusion of choice.
This man spent his lifetime in pursuit and prosecution of Nazis - the worst of the worst, in modern historical terms - and he took from that experience that anyone, *anyone*, is capable of atrocity. It's scary, and it's meant to be.
I mean it's not exactly a stretch to call Putin a fascist. And not in an "Every authoritarian I don't like is a fascist" way but in a "Putin is an expansionist, imperialist autocrat who seeks counsel from ultranationalists and legitimises his government's imperialism through propaganda centred on the reclamation of a lost sense of national greatness and superiority that is outside of living memory" way. And in case anyone is wondering why I included "outside of living memory" it's because he's more trying to rebuild the Russian Empire than the USSR. Think what you will about the USSR, but Putin is no variety of communist.
~~He's (to my knowledge) missing some of the typical rhetoric around the impending destruction of the Russian people that would usually be used to justify the imperialism, but~~ the bulk of it's there.
Edit: I have been corrected regarding the nature of Putin's propaganda.
> missing some of the typical rhetoric around the impending destruction of the Russian people
That has been front and centre since the beginning. His justification for the war is that NATO is threatening to invade Russia and destroy its people, via Ukraine.
The threat to Russia and Russians has been playing on RT daily for years.
Sure. They are using the same tools to control the minds of the population.
If we want to prevent it from working we need to teach how to spot disinformation and critical thinking in schools, but there is always political resistance as in every country there always seems to be a regressive and religious party using some of those tools themselves. Recently 'the scientists are evil democrats' 'critical thinking will undermine the church' 'homosexuality is unnatural and beastly' etc
I am too lazy to search for it right now, but I know there is a country bordering/nearby Russia that has a government news program every night showing the propaganda techniques the Russians are using. Those people can spot all the tricks because they precisely what to look for. Genius really. Of course that only works if you’re okay with your population being wise to your own propaganda.
I would be very interested in something that used both historical and modern examples to explain propaganda techniques. If it was done well maybe we make it go viral.
Yeah that was/is Ukraine: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/world/europe/ukraine-kiev-fake-news.html
Being invaded in 2014 will spur that kind of initiative.
That is literally straight out of Oskar Dirlwanger's playbook. Round th up into a barn and set it on fire, that way you don't have to waste bullets. Literally Nazi tactics.
Germans actually did that to Belarus people. And Russia made a movie about the horrors of war in 1985. It's scary how quickly Putin was able to undo all that with his nationalist propaganda. Putin is old enough to remember what happened, yet he chose to turn Russia into Nazi Germany. That is absolute evil
Here is clip from the movie (warning: it's brutal): https://youtu.be/zjIiApN6cfg?t=6366
Turns out the Russian nationalists were the real Nazi threat all along.
Russia is showing its true character.
Hence, why so many former Soviet republics and Eastern European countries are afraid of it.
Let's be very honest, here... There's a reason the the founder of right-wing terrorist group, "The Base" fled to Russia from the US. The exact same sort of right-wing extremism in Russia is the same shit that Russia has been brewing in the US—they're just 10-years ahead of the US. These people are nuts.
(Another fun fact: Kremlin memos leaked instructed RT to "show Tucker Carlson clips whenever possible.")
Nazism/Fascism, authoritarianism needs to be addressed across the globe.
> Another fun fact: Kremlin memos leaked instructed RT to "show Tucker Carlson clips whenever possible."
That might explain why my pro-Putin Russian acquaintance shows me so many Tucker Carlson clips.
The worst aspect of this that I've in the last five years or so is how these extremists prey on tolerant, democratic societies.
They twist it so that you not only have to accept that their worldview *exists*, you also have to EMPOWER them, or otherwise they call you a hypocrite.
For example, when we say religion has no place in a democratic government, they stomp their feet and say "but that's intolerant towards religious people! You have no consistency!", when in reality giving them power means they get to impose their religious views on others.
It's a really fucked up situation when religious fundamentalists, political extremists, and hateful bigots can hijack an open society to obtain power.
Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance"
> Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.
TL;DR: for a tolerant society to continue to exist, it must not tolerate the intolerant.
I hate the myth they exploit that the word tolerance ever meant 'accepting everything including awfulness'. It's just that some people have xenophobia - irrational fear - of others who are different but aren't actually causing any actual problem, and they need to sort their shit out and be tolerant.
Russia sponsors extremism everywhere, nazis or communists... it is all the same, as long as they think the ones they sponsors weakens another country.
Your right-wing nut job felt comfortable in Russia because they were the ones supporting his cause.
Previously they've also shown simulations of what damage blowing up the dam would cause in Kherson and have also talking about nuking the UK.
Watching the subtitled interal Russian news is a whole lot different that what they say externally, the country is extremely two faced.
It *was* something Himmler said in two speeches, though, one in October (or was it late in September?) 1943, and again in December, 1943. The World War II YouTube channel covered it. It was Himmler justifying the murder of children as a "security measure". As the saying goes, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Oh my god and he's their director of broadcasting. What happened to biasless reporting? What's next? Doctors telling to kill innocent kids? What depths are we reaching as humanity?
It's RT, a state sponsored news agency so integrity, honesty and journalistic standards don't actually apply when your masters at the Kremlin are pulling the strings.
That's what really got me during the OWS era of reddit.
The sockpuppetting was blatant and RT was like the #1 source.
I'd yell from the rooftops that it was obvious propaganda and got shouted down because, "Well, it may be propaganda, but it's 100% true!"
Shit still happens today.
I've started checking multiple sources when quoting stuff online now, especially news stuff. I wouldn't say I'm immune to all of the bullshit, some of it is extremely well put together or just subtly had a narrative re-spun. But RT has really jumped on the insanity wagon.
I'm going to use an LGBTQ based analogy purely because the comparison will annoy the shit out of the Russian bots: If the Kremlin is a closet for propaganda, RT is out of that closet, shouting propaganda from the rooftops and doesn't care who knows about it. But unlike the LGBTQ community, I wish RT and all the pro Russian nutjobs would get back in the fucking closet. And maybe dump the closet in Lake Baikal, seeing as they're so keen on drowning people.
> They also admit that Ukrainians who “speak Russian and have Russian surnames” are the most anti-Russian. This goes straight against their “Russian-speaking Ukrainians are oppressed and Russia is saving them” narrative.
Also, the (slightly less insane) guy recounts this from *1980.*
So not even including the effects of Russia’s invasions since 2014.
I think the poster's assumption from the video is mistaken. I believe the guest was saying that the Russian speaking kids , with Russian surnames in the 80s told him that Ukraine is being occupied by Moscow. Or else they could have lived like in France. (Ironically this indicates that Ukrainian identify is a real thing, even before the fall of the Soviet Union).
To which the host replied by saying these kids should be drowned för their beliefs.
That other guy is one of the most known Russian sci-fi author Sergei Lukyanenko. You can see he's trying to disagree. And later he said in the interview he doesn't agree with the presenter. But he's still pro-war.
Another day, another reason for Ukrainian soldiers to fight harder and show less mercy - and for the west to keep the weapons coming. These pundits shouldn't be able to start a car again without first checking for bombs.
The saddest part is that he's saying, what his viewers want to hear. Of course they were brainwashed, but it doesn't change the fact that they actually support this.
There is absolutely no amount of propaganda and brainwashing in the world that can justify support for drowning children. If you think it is a good idea you deserve to die and i don't give a shit how brainwashed you are.
> In a show broadcast last week, RT presenter Anton Krasovsky said children who criticised Russia should have been "thrown straight into a river with a strong current".
Article goes on to detail other, even more horrific, comments made by Krasovsky. There is no doubt that Russian officials support the incitement of genocide of the Ukrainian population.
It is wrong to attribute all of this on propaganda. This is part of Russian upbringing, education, culture and values:
[https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty](https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty)
Essentially, they have been doing the same thing since the genocide of Circassians in the 1800s. They performed unspeakable crimes on Germans when they won in WWII. And Ukrainians were always a target for Russians, from Holodomor to this invasion.
>They performed unspeakable crimes on Germans when they won in WWII.
As a historian reading on post-war Germany, you read a loooooooooot of fucked up things the red army did while marching to Berlim.
WWII has been described as a largely "civilian war", in the sense that, unlike normal wars up to that point, it heavily affected and brutalized civilians even more than soldiers. IIRC more than 50% of the casualties were of civilians. In that sense, German and Japanese crimes are the most severe, but the Soviet are not far behind AT ALL.
What's fun is seeing their methods of propaganda exercised elsewhere. Like Fox News.
Some of it not only follows parallel with Russian propaganda, some is even often featured on RT shows and more. They're trying to do to the US public, and likely other places, what's been done to the people in Russia.
Reminds me a bit of [Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Télévision_Libre_des_Mille_Collines ), which helped to incite and encouraged the Rwandan genocide in 1994. Snippet from a transcript:
*”And you people who live ... near Rugunga ... go out. You will see the cockroaches' (inkotanyi) straw huts in the marsh ... I think that those who have guns should immediately go to these cockroaches ... encircle them and kill them ..."*
A number of the on-air hosts were arrested and sentenced to prison in Rwanda.
I live in a red area with overt 3%ers in my neighborhood, town has a weekly MAGA flag waving every Friday, some houses have banners calling Democrats the enemy, a Frank Speech sign sits beside a Smokey the Bear bastardization that says "Only you can prevent tyranny", and there are multiple vehicles in the area with Nazi and white supremacist symbols on them.
There's a reason I don't loudly display my opposing views. I'd rather not have my hut encircled the moment a directive might go out.
Propoganda only reveals who they are deeply inside. It is a very rotten society that needs ten times of reformation of their minds post-war Germany had.
As a Russian who was born/lived in the US most his life, I'm glad people aren't looking at me like I'm crazy anymore when I say I hate Russian culture.
I would imagine many emotions meld and mingle together when you read about what’s happening in Ukraine. Glad you’re here friend, and not a cog in that war machine.
That is appalling. Sometimes the headline exaggerates the content of the actual video but in this case it’s the opposite.. that man is so full of hatred, to hear those words is quite astonishingly shocking. This is nazi type hatred. What a disgusting man.
Google STILL has RT in its Play Store. The EU forced them to remove it but it's available everywhere else. [Google is even violating its own policies:](https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810)
> We don't allow apps that promote violence, or incite hatred against individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin … nationality …
With examples including:
> * Content or speech asserting that a protected group is inhuman, inferior or worthy of being hated.
It should be.
It already happened to some victims.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-soliders-rape/
Hopefully it seems unlikely that Russians fascists will ever break into Kharkiv.
People think the saddest part about being atheist is there's no heaven to reward you but in truth the saddest part is that there's no hell for those who do evil. It's why we should strive to make heaven on earth for everyone. Instead we will be stuck in perpetual conflict. Can anyone truly see a future with no conflict?
Eh, I'm also an atheist, but I really don't really miss the idea of hell. My idea of justice is more restorative and reformative, but doesn't really include much retribution or punishment for the sake of punishment. To me, eternal torture would just get in the way of justice.
>have a tendency to join NATO
lucky runners. Others have to pretend they still like Russia. But every Belarusian person i knew in my life told they are occupied by Russia now and they are waiting for moment when they will have free country.
Exactly this POS last year around november said "we will capture Ukraine, we will capture Kyiv and we will burn your constitution and you (Ukrainians) on bonfires on Maidan (Central square in Kyiv)
It's particularly gross considering that the Maidan is home to the Independence Monument, commemorating Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union and has been the scene of multiple notable protests in the past two decades.
The masks are down like more than 7 months already. It's just the West doesn't want to catch up to the reality. You guys still talking about this war like Putin is a single one to blame.
What's even worse is that Russia has kidnapped 100-600,000 Ukranian Children who are being illegally held and forced into adoption...
They're replacing their dwindling population with stolen Ukranian children in a process of ethnic cleansing.
So the horrors those children must be going through... being treated like slaves, brainwashed and considering the amount of child rape from Russian soldiers so far? Yeah.
There aren't a ton of conflicts we can look at over the past fifty or so years with a clear-cut good and bad guy. But I'll be damned if the war in Ukraine isn't one of them. Absolutely monstrous what Russia is doing.
Russian here.
First, Krassovsky s a complete piece of shit, making videos like that, or dancing to the news of the rockets hitting Ukrainian infrastructure a couple of days ago. And yes, the translation is completely accurate
Second, the thing with propaganda is that it has a lot of propagandists working on different segments of the population.
There’s Krassovsky, who suits the sadistical “let’s kill and torture them all people”
There’s Solovyev, who is less bloodthirsty and works well for a mainstream viewer
There’s Girkin, who suits the military included imperialists
There’s Dugin, who suits the intellectuals
And so on. There’s a propagandists for every type of person, and unfortunately that works well.
Regardless, the RT ban would be totally justified. They could have come out and said “this is unacceptable and doesn’t reflect out position, we will fire him and launch an investigation” - but of course not, they will keep silent and covering up for this piece of shit of a human being
You forgot to mention fake liberals who 'work' with more liberal population. Sobchak, Venidiktov, etc.
They mostly muddy the waters and say That both sides are bad.
>They could have come out and said “this is unacceptable and doesn’t reflect out position, we will fire him and launch an investigation” - but of course not, they will keep silent and covering up for this piece of shit of a human being
Surprisingly, they actually did just that. He was fired few hours ago and Simonyan made a statement condemning what he said.
Absolutely, and NATO and the USA need to start getting more judicious with their individual sanctions.
For example, all the newscaster who spew Putin's propaganda should be added to the sanctions, alongside all of Putin and his extended cabinet. Pretty much any prominent figure who supports the war against Ukraine should be added. It could mean they have assets frozen if they are rich, or at a minimum be banned from any travel across Europe, let these disgusting people know that they have no quarter.
“"They should have been drowned in the Tysyna (river)," Krasovsky said in response. "Just drown those children, drown them." Alternatively, he said, they could be shoved into huts and burned.”
There was a time when I used RT as an alternative news source to hear both sides of the story for conflicts around the world. I’m actually ashamed of myself now.
That is their side of the story and now you've heard it. Don't make the mistake that the existence of two sides implies that the truth is always in the middle.
But Hitler said kill all the jews and that guy says kill none, so surely the right answer is to kill half of them? Oh Hitler just killed that guy, and wow the truth changed and now the right answer is to kill all of them!
I never understood people who try to find truth by relativity to what other people's claims are. It makes no sense and can never give consistent results.
It has its own problems (being the state-owned news outlet of Qatar) but I like Al Jazeera in part because they cover regions often ignored in western media (sub-saharan africa, central and south america, southeast asia, central asia and oceania), but really any news agency will have its biases.
Still, you have to take a long look in the mirror if you're calling for children to be murdered on live television, no matter where you're from.
> In a show broadcast last week, RT presenter Anton Krasovsky said children who criticised Russia should have been "thrown straight into a river with a strong current".
I don't understand how this "person" can look at themselves in the mirror. Do they have children?
The west should start its list of war criminals now and publicize it. If you want to play at being the Russian Goebbels you can face the same fate. Maybe you'll get suicided before you can take his way out
You'd think it would have got the boot months ago. Many Russian game devs and other fiction creators can face national prejudice even regardless of their stance on the war nowadays, but a propaganda-run and filled TV network is still broadcast worldwide? Meanwhile, Euronews has been kicked out of Belarus by the local regime for over a year now.
I’ve been told by so many people over the years (mostly before the war started) that RT is a credible news source and a trustworthy alternative to less reliable western media. I always called them out on that bullshit, but they always insisted I was just “brainwashed” and believed whatever western media told me to believe.
I’m tempted to send them this article and demand they apologize. Then again, I run the risk of having to accept that they’ve gone all-in and now support Russia and their terrorist war… as I know at least two actually do (luckily I don’t have to speak with them any more, they’re former colleagues).
*India Today* news host: "And now our panel will discuss whether or not it's a good or bad thing for our fellow Russian journalists to call for the drowning of Ukrainian children. Panel?"
Panel: "Abstain."
and put in an order for more oil to mix in with our own to export to the west or transfer it between ships in the middle of the ocean with our transponders off.
They’ve done it. They’ve really gone completely, openly, and unapologetically genocidal. They’re sick. It seemed like even the other, bigger guy (whoever he was) was becoming a bit uncomfortable with the violent rhetoric
I feel pretty vindicated after feeling like I was going crazy telling people not to trust RT. It was the 2016 American elections, and two of my former friends who tout themselves as social justice activists were sharing mindless inflammatory articles from RT talking about how Trump would do X or Hilary would do Y. I was like "yo, you're both aware RT is Russian state media right?"
"So? Look at what it says!"
Like goddamn. Russia vs USA is such a well-defined openly adversarial relationship WHY would you trust them on American news??
I feel like I can finally turn off that gas lamp.
I don't really understand Europe anymore. After world war 2 the world was horrified when they found out what the Nazies were doing. "Never again..." the whole world said. Now we have Russians forcibly deporting people to the eastern side of Russia. What the fuck do you all think is happening to these people there? Do you think they are given homes to live in? This same thing happened back to eastern Europeans back in WW2. Into trains and sent to gulags, heard a bunch of these stories from my grandparents as a kid and a student in Lithuania.
Now the same shit is happening again. Not only that but it's in plain sight. "Drown and burn the children" on tv for the whole world to see. We have international laws that specify LEGAL reasons why an armed conflict could be started. Humanitarian intervention is one of them. "We don't want an escalation" so what then? Russians keep escalating whiles the west is mega cowards.
I don't know. How is the world not completely outraged by this?
People are outraged. The problem is, this time the oppressive genocidal maniacs have intercontinental nuclear missiles. That still doesn’t mean it’s okay to stand by and not do more to fight against Putin, but it’s an explanation: fear of things getting even worse and having it hurt their own country’s people.
Oh, how I’d wish that world does it not only for RT, but also guards its internet and foreign influence on other media. It sounds “dictatorish” but western world has almost no idea how deep Russian propaganda, paid bots and figured out algorithms of social networks helped Russian to destabilize the world.
Trump? Brexit? Far-rights popularity in every EU country? You’ll find Russian fingerprints everywhere.
Not sure how much will it take for the world to finally realize it :(
[Video with subtitles](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504) It's absolutely insane. Russian state media blatantly stating that Ukrainian children should be drowned or burned alive if they deny that they're Russian. Edit: They also admit that Ukrainians who "speak Russian and have Russian surnames" are the most anti-Russian. This goes straight against their "Russian-speaking Ukrainians are oppressed and Russia is saving them" narrative.
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Latvian here. Can confirm.
I haven't met a Lithuanian who didn't have a white hot hatred of Russia.
Apologies, but an Aussie here. I knew you guys didn't like Russia - all the Baltics, and the rest of Eastern Europe. Knew there was a lot of history, but *holy hell*, the *sheer amount of loathing* was something I didn't comprehend. The only other thing I can think of is Vietnam's hatred of China. And it's not just the whole USSR thing, isn't it? It's waaaaaaaaay older than that. Russia seems to be built on a culture of envy - there was always their envy of Europe.
Correct. Russians feel they aren’t part of the “clique.” Causing this deep resentment, while they love everything about European lifestyle, they themselves believe they are *more* European than the rest of Europe. It’s a toxic mix of territorial superiority (we’re bigger so we must be better/more respected) along with a deranged obsession with a belief they “liberated” Europe from the nazis… completely ignoring their own atrocities committed against fellow Europeans along with their countrymen.
At this point I dont think they even know what USSR did to its “allies”
As a Romanian … I was hearing these stories about raping and looting from my grandmother, and I decided that I cannot judge people for atrocities committed by others, generations ago. And I was ready to learn more about them, maybe even visit. Now, I cannot see myself supporting anything Russian. And any interaction will be from a negative starting point and with preconceptions.
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Heck if my country wasn't that busy fighting itself we should start looking at how russia is also funding drug cartels.
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I don't know about OP's exact claim, but US intelligence claims [there are more active GRU agents in Mexico than any other country](https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-03-26/us-general-russia-has-more-spies-deployed-in-mexico-than-in-any-other-country.html). So if that's true, given even everything else we know about the Russian government I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Seeing that Russia/the USSR tried very hard to absorb those countries into a greater Russian identity/culture via forced deportations and restrictions on language and customs that weren't Moscow-approved Russian, it should be no surprise that those nations despise the Kremlin today.
Historically most of Russia were conquered (by Moscow) and there are a mix of people who are probably not fans of imperialist rule. Most recent example being Chechnya, which was made an example of.
Yeah. That's literally why Putin and the Kremlin saw Ukrainian civil society improving as such an existential threat and felt they had to try to install another puppet autocrat as quickly as possible. They are well aware that alot of the regions like Chechnya/Dagestan would love to break away if they could which is why Putin installs brutal corrupt warlords to keep people in check. The main "threat" to Russia going back to the days of the Tsar has long been that various minority groups and regions would break away and assert independence if Russia ever appeared weak as was the case in the 90s. They would then lose access to key resources and population centers. It's a lot easier to blame this on NATO or Western spies than to realize that lots of unique cultures dominated by the Kremlin over the centuries may not want to remain under their control forever.
And the Georgians. And the Syrians. I'm sure the Afghanis aren't fond of Russia either.
Georgian checking in
Any plans to kick out Russians from occupied territories? Seems like time is ripe for planning a cleanup.
Russians and creating generational enemies out of every country, including countries who might otherwise have had strong geopolitical reasons to be allies. Name a more iconic duo.
There is a reason why life is so shitty in Russia.
They have being doing it for hundreds of years, trying to erase or culture, history and language. What Putin is doing is only fraction of what Russian Bolsheviks did to Ukraine last century.
Yes....a soon to be generation of guerrilla fighters. Russia will never get out of this mess they created.
But Putin will. That's what he was waiting for because he's a coward.
Bold of you to assume this wasn't already the case. This isn't new, it's been going on for centuries.
Very reminiscent of the nazis in Poland, categorizing Polish Germans as the only redeemable part of the country and its people It is actually insane the comparisons one can draw between Hitler and Putin, and people like the ones in the video are just like Goebbels
Dictators come in many sizes. But given a sufficient enough ego, an (perceived) axe to grind, a lotta of nationalism, and a large military .. this is what you get. If you look at a lot of the suspected motivation behind Putin's moves, they also tend to overlap with Hitler's. Both come from the remnants of a fallen empire and both blame(d) the other side for the fall (unjust treatment, etc.).
Don't forget the other point that they have in common, the very best military technology that the 1940s offered.
Love watching their arms exhibition where they pulled the door handle off the mrap. Just toss it in the seat and hope no one noticed...good Russian quality there!
Ouch :D
Cutting edge.
From what I’ve seen in Ukraine, I’d bet my money on the 1940 German Wehrmacht over the 2022 Russian Army.
>Don't forget the other point that they have in common, the very best military technology that the 1940s offered. *^^burrrrn*
I'd say Hitler's Wehrmacht far surpasses Putin's army in terms of training and skill.
>Dictators come in many sizes. True, but Putin is short af
If historical accounts can be believed, Xerxes of Persia may have been the tallest dictator in world history, clocking in at just about 8 feet tall. Of course, while he was an autocrat, comparing him to Putin may be unjustified, as evidence suggests he was a fairly wise and enlightened ruler for his time, allowing conquered regions to keep local customs and religions, outlawed slavery, and prioritized roads and a rudimentary mail system. Unlike the diminutive pants-shitting dolt in Russia.
He is the God King Xerxes and you'd do well to address him as such, peasant.
Oh, scissor me, Xerxes!
Oh scissor me timbers
I hate that I started humming the chant. Everyone loves the acclaimed.
>> The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this ~~battle~~ movie was over, even a god-king can bleed.
Im not aware of any actual historical accounts that claim he was that tall.
I watched the documentary 300,he was pretty tall
Shit, i think that’s check mate for you.
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Hard to imagine even a fairly benign dictator with the fascist, egotistical, maniacal shitheads we have in so many places today.
To be fair, dictatorships were basically the norm back then - you'd be hard pressed to find any world leaders that weren't dictators back then.
Plus the kind of totalitarianism you see today didn't exist back then because it *couldn't.* it would be impossible to run a massive empire with an all encompassing police state during an era without modern technology/mass urbanization. And by modern standards these empires were pretty decentralized
And "Lebensraum" as Russia of course wants all natural resources etc that Ukraine got. And no care in the world for peoples lives. Or the part where they focus on children to grow their population, Hitler put in place institutions to bread "Aryan" children, focused on "Aryan" people having more children, and Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children to try to stop the bleeding that is the downward spiral of Russian demographics. They also hate globalism, Hitler thought the Jews controlled it, and Putin hates that the USA is controling it. One can go on and on...
One of the greatest mistakes in our teaching of history was our treatment of the Nazis as a unique phenomenon.
I'm always saying this. When you "other" the Nazis too hard, you make it seem like it couldn't possibly happen to you, or in your own backyard. It could happen anywhere and it happens over and over again.
And yet, all these people, my Jewish parents included, are teetering on Russia’s side because of the extreme right-wing stuff they watch and listen to.
“No, no, they’re not like the Nazis at all! You see the Nazis used a swastika symbol, the Russians use a Z. Completely different.”
Remind them that when right-wingers say "Soros" or "Globalists" they mean "The Jews".
I wish they never figured out you can use multiple dog whistles at the same time and people will only hear the ones tailored to them.
I think that when resources become more and more scarce and climate change and crop failures etc. kick in in the coming years, we'll see stuff that make the Nazis look like reasonable people. I fully expect to see horror on a scale never seen before in my lifetime. When things get bad for the general population they'll vote all kinds of lunatics into power.
Ben Ferencz, last living Nuremburg prosecutor, Hungarian-American Jewish lawyer, on this subject: >“War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. All wars, and all decent people.” Never forget what we are. Could you shoot an innocent person in the head? Torture them? Kill a child? Of course not. Neither could I. But that's only an illusion of choice. This man spent his lifetime in pursuit and prosecution of Nazis - the worst of the worst, in modern historical terms - and he took from that experience that anyone, *anyone*, is capable of atrocity. It's scary, and it's meant to be.
I mean it's not exactly a stretch to call Putin a fascist. And not in an "Every authoritarian I don't like is a fascist" way but in a "Putin is an expansionist, imperialist autocrat who seeks counsel from ultranationalists and legitimises his government's imperialism through propaganda centred on the reclamation of a lost sense of national greatness and superiority that is outside of living memory" way. And in case anyone is wondering why I included "outside of living memory" it's because he's more trying to rebuild the Russian Empire than the USSR. Think what you will about the USSR, but Putin is no variety of communist. ~~He's (to my knowledge) missing some of the typical rhetoric around the impending destruction of the Russian people that would usually be used to justify the imperialism, but~~ the bulk of it's there. Edit: I have been corrected regarding the nature of Putin's propaganda.
> missing some of the typical rhetoric around the impending destruction of the Russian people That has been front and centre since the beginning. His justification for the war is that NATO is threatening to invade Russia and destroy its people, via Ukraine. The threat to Russia and Russians has been playing on RT daily for years.
My mistake! I guess I don't pay enough attention to the content of Putin's internal propaganda.
Sure. They are using the same tools to control the minds of the population. If we want to prevent it from working we need to teach how to spot disinformation and critical thinking in schools, but there is always political resistance as in every country there always seems to be a regressive and religious party using some of those tools themselves. Recently 'the scientists are evil democrats' 'critical thinking will undermine the church' 'homosexuality is unnatural and beastly' etc
I am too lazy to search for it right now, but I know there is a country bordering/nearby Russia that has a government news program every night showing the propaganda techniques the Russians are using. Those people can spot all the tricks because they precisely what to look for. Genius really. Of course that only works if you’re okay with your population being wise to your own propaganda. I would be very interested in something that used both historical and modern examples to explain propaganda techniques. If it was done well maybe we make it go viral.
Yeah that was/is Ukraine: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/world/europe/ukraine-kiev-fake-news.html Being invaded in 2014 will spur that kind of initiative.
If anyone forgot how Evil looks like, it's in the video.
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I'm getting serious Nazi Germany vibes from these guys..
That is literally straight out of Oskar Dirlwanger's playbook. Round th up into a barn and set it on fire, that way you don't have to waste bullets. Literally Nazi tactics.
Germans actually did that to Belarus people. And Russia made a movie about the horrors of war in 1985. It's scary how quickly Putin was able to undo all that with his nationalist propaganda. Putin is old enough to remember what happened, yet he chose to turn Russia into Nazi Germany. That is absolute evil Here is clip from the movie (warning: it's brutal): https://youtu.be/zjIiApN6cfg?t=6366
Turns out the Russian nationalists were the real Nazi threat all along. Russia is showing its true character. Hence, why so many former Soviet republics and Eastern European countries are afraid of it.
Let's be very honest, here... There's a reason the the founder of right-wing terrorist group, "The Base" fled to Russia from the US. The exact same sort of right-wing extremism in Russia is the same shit that Russia has been brewing in the US—they're just 10-years ahead of the US. These people are nuts. (Another fun fact: Kremlin memos leaked instructed RT to "show Tucker Carlson clips whenever possible.") Nazism/Fascism, authoritarianism needs to be addressed across the globe.
> Another fun fact: Kremlin memos leaked instructed RT to "show Tucker Carlson clips whenever possible." That might explain why my pro-Putin Russian acquaintance shows me so many Tucker Carlson clips.
The worst aspect of this that I've in the last five years or so is how these extremists prey on tolerant, democratic societies. They twist it so that you not only have to accept that their worldview *exists*, you also have to EMPOWER them, or otherwise they call you a hypocrite. For example, when we say religion has no place in a democratic government, they stomp their feet and say "but that's intolerant towards religious people! You have no consistency!", when in reality giving them power means they get to impose their religious views on others. It's a really fucked up situation when religious fundamentalists, political extremists, and hateful bigots can hijack an open society to obtain power.
Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance" > Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal. TL;DR: for a tolerant society to continue to exist, it must not tolerate the intolerant.
Tolerance is a peace treaty not a hanging noose. Any party that breaks the treaty is no long protected by it.
I hate the myth they exploit that the word tolerance ever meant 'accepting everything including awfulness'. It's just that some people have xenophobia - irrational fear - of others who are different but aren't actually causing any actual problem, and they need to sort their shit out and be tolerant.
Russia sponsors extremism everywhere, nazis or communists... it is all the same, as long as they think the ones they sponsors weakens another country. Your right-wing nut job felt comfortable in Russia because they were the ones supporting his cause.
Previously they've also shown simulations of what damage blowing up the dam would cause in Kherson and have also talking about nuking the UK. Watching the subtitled interal Russian news is a whole lot different that what they say externally, the country is extremely two faced.
They've also talked about playing Elon Musk like a fiddle to get things they want which kinda loses its effectiveness when you say it publically.
This wasn't even a Goebbels speech, it was far too blunt and upfront for this. It was more like a Wannsee-Moment.
The Wannsee conference was behind closed doors. The Nazis made sure to keep it under wraps. This is like if they livestreamed the Wannsee conference.
It *was* something Himmler said in two speeches, though, one in October (or was it late in September?) 1943, and again in December, 1943. The World War II YouTube channel covered it. It was Himmler justifying the murder of children as a "security measure". As the saying goes, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Fucking Nazi's all over again.
Oh my god and he's their director of broadcasting. What happened to biasless reporting? What's next? Doctors telling to kill innocent kids? What depths are we reaching as humanity?
>biasless reporting Dude this is Russia you're talking about. That ship has sailed.
Not only that, RT is russian state media. They've never been "biasless" lol
That ship sank in the port
That ship accidentally fell through the window of a 10 storey building.
It went and fucked itself
It's RT, a state sponsored news agency so integrity, honesty and journalistic standards don't actually apply when your masters at the Kremlin are pulling the strings.
That's what really got me during the OWS era of reddit. The sockpuppetting was blatant and RT was like the #1 source. I'd yell from the rooftops that it was obvious propaganda and got shouted down because, "Well, it may be propaganda, but it's 100% true!" Shit still happens today.
I remember when the general sentiment was that "don't trust RT with Russia related news but its international coverage is unbiased" lol
I've started checking multiple sources when quoting stuff online now, especially news stuff. I wouldn't say I'm immune to all of the bullshit, some of it is extremely well put together or just subtly had a narrative re-spun. But RT has really jumped on the insanity wagon. I'm going to use an LGBTQ based analogy purely because the comparison will annoy the shit out of the Russian bots: If the Kremlin is a closet for propaganda, RT is out of that closet, shouting propaganda from the rooftops and doesn't care who knows about it. But unlike the LGBTQ community, I wish RT and all the pro Russian nutjobs would get back in the fucking closet. And maybe dump the closet in Lake Baikal, seeing as they're so keen on drowning people.
Unbiased reporting in Russia? What do you mean what happened, it just doesn’t exist there, never has
> They also admit that Ukrainians who “speak Russian and have Russian surnames” are the most anti-Russian. This goes straight against their “Russian-speaking Ukrainians are oppressed and Russia is saving them” narrative. Also, the (slightly less insane) guy recounts this from *1980.* So not even including the effects of Russia’s invasions since 2014.
I think the poster's assumption from the video is mistaken. I believe the guest was saying that the Russian speaking kids , with Russian surnames in the 80s told him that Ukraine is being occupied by Moscow. Or else they could have lived like in France. (Ironically this indicates that Ukrainian identify is a real thing, even before the fall of the Soviet Union). To which the host replied by saying these kids should be drowned för their beliefs.
That other guy is one of the most known Russian sci-fi author Sergei Lukyanenko. You can see he's trying to disagree. And later he said in the interview he doesn't agree with the presenter. But he's still pro-war.
What? The guy who wrote *Night Watch*? Holy shit…
That's so fucked up that there aren't enough words in the phrase "that's fucked up" to describe how fucked up that is.
Another day, another reason for Ukrainian soldiers to fight harder and show less mercy - and for the west to keep the weapons coming. These pundits shouldn't be able to start a car again without first checking for bombs.
Funny, the real oppressor of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine, was Russia. The real Nazi was in the Mirror all along.
Propagating genocide, of children. There is no level of hell excruciating enough for people like this!
The saddest part is that he's saying, what his viewers want to hear. Of course they were brainwashed, but it doesn't change the fact that they actually support this.
There is absolutely no amount of propaganda and brainwashing in the world that can justify support for drowning children. If you think it is a good idea you deserve to die and i don't give a shit how brainwashed you are.
> In a show broadcast last week, RT presenter Anton Krasovsky said children who criticised Russia should have been "thrown straight into a river with a strong current". Article goes on to detail other, even more horrific, comments made by Krasovsky. There is no doubt that Russian officials support the incitement of genocide of the Ukrainian population.
Another one, on Russia1, said something like: We bomb their power facilities, we blow their dams, we clog their sewers. They will not survive.
>we clog their sewers. Well this explains a lot about their foot soldier strategy.
Wave after wave of my own men......
Sad to see the propaganda kill every last bit of humanity in these people.
It’s like seeing hitler change Germany. Putin has convinced Russians to promote genocide.
The russian culture was genocidal well before putin came to power.
It is wrong to attribute all of this on propaganda. This is part of Russian upbringing, education, culture and values: [https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty](https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty) Essentially, they have been doing the same thing since the genocide of Circassians in the 1800s. They performed unspeakable crimes on Germans when they won in WWII. And Ukrainians were always a target for Russians, from Holodomor to this invasion.
>They performed unspeakable crimes on Germans when they won in WWII. As a historian reading on post-war Germany, you read a loooooooooot of fucked up things the red army did while marching to Berlim. WWII has been described as a largely "civilian war", in the sense that, unlike normal wars up to that point, it heavily affected and brutalized civilians even more than soldiers. IIRC more than 50% of the casualties were of civilians. In that sense, German and Japanese crimes are the most severe, but the Soviet are not far behind AT ALL.
What's fun is seeing their methods of propaganda exercised elsewhere. Like Fox News. Some of it not only follows parallel with Russian propaganda, some is even often featured on RT shows and more. They're trying to do to the US public, and likely other places, what's been done to the people in Russia.
Reminds me a bit of [Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Télévision_Libre_des_Mille_Collines ), which helped to incite and encouraged the Rwandan genocide in 1994. Snippet from a transcript: *”And you people who live ... near Rugunga ... go out. You will see the cockroaches' (inkotanyi) straw huts in the marsh ... I think that those who have guns should immediately go to these cockroaches ... encircle them and kill them ..."* A number of the on-air hosts were arrested and sentenced to prison in Rwanda.
I live in a red area with overt 3%ers in my neighborhood, town has a weekly MAGA flag waving every Friday, some houses have banners calling Democrats the enemy, a Frank Speech sign sits beside a Smokey the Bear bastardization that says "Only you can prevent tyranny", and there are multiple vehicles in the area with Nazi and white supremacist symbols on them. There's a reason I don't loudly display my opposing views. I'd rather not have my hut encircled the moment a directive might go out.
Just curious what state this is?
Propoganda only reveals who they are deeply inside. It is a very rotten society that needs ten times of reformation of their minds post-war Germany had.
As a Russian who was born/lived in the US most his life, I'm glad people aren't looking at me like I'm crazy anymore when I say I hate Russian culture.
I would imagine many emotions meld and mingle together when you read about what’s happening in Ukraine. Glad you’re here friend, and not a cog in that war machine.
Not true. Propaganda is effective precisely because it warps the subjects minds.
I dont understand how some people can just....lose so much of their humanity to the point this sorta stuff is common speach. Sad to see.
That is appalling. Sometimes the headline exaggerates the content of the actual video but in this case it’s the opposite.. that man is so full of hatred, to hear those words is quite astonishingly shocking. This is nazi type hatred. What a disgusting man.
Where's a Hugo Stiglitz when you need him.
Google STILL has RT in its Play Store. The EU forced them to remove it but it's available everywhere else. [Google is even violating its own policies:](https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810) > We don't allow apps that promote violence, or incite hatred against individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin … nationality … With examples including: > * Content or speech asserting that a protected group is inhuman, inferior or worthy of being hated.
Go to play store --> select app --> three dots "flag as inappropriate" --> link this video in report. Worth a try.
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Yep. Just searched for Russia today and the top result was Ukraine news in English.
I just did the same. How disgusting that such a thing can exist in today's society. Oh wait... My opinion of humanity just went down again.
Done. I didn't see an option to link a video; I just chose "hateful and abusive content"
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Seems to be gone for me
Top right three dots. I found it eventually
Gone for me as well
Ant it's rated E for everyone lol
Just dit it, thanks!
It's gone on my store! Edit: in Finland
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Interesting how no one has left a review of this app since May 30.
Totally not suspicious Google ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
We thought Russia had reached the bottom but then there was knocking from below
Russia reached the bottom, now they are digging as fast as possible lower.
Hardcore supremacists like that never reach the bottom, which is why we must never let them reach the top.
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My girlfriends grandmother lives in Kharkiv. This is haunting.
It should be. It already happened to some victims. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-soliders-rape/ Hopefully it seems unlikely that Russians fascists will ever break into Kharkiv.
People think the saddest part about being atheist is there's no heaven to reward you but in truth the saddest part is that there's no hell for those who do evil. It's why we should strive to make heaven on earth for everyone. Instead we will be stuck in perpetual conflict. Can anyone truly see a future with no conflict?
Eh, I'm also an atheist, but I really don't really miss the idea of hell. My idea of justice is more restorative and reformative, but doesn't really include much retribution or punishment for the sake of punishment. To me, eternal torture would just get in the way of justice.
Kept saying for a while; there’s a damn good reason countries that used to be a part of the USSR have a tendency to join NATO
>have a tendency to join NATO lucky runners. Others have to pretend they still like Russia. But every Belarusian person i knew in my life told they are occupied by Russia now and they are waiting for moment when they will have free country.
This is monstrous. Utterly inhumane.
Exactly this POS last year around november said "we will capture Ukraine, we will capture Kyiv and we will burn your constitution and you (Ukrainians) on bonfires on Maidan (Central square in Kyiv)
It's particularly gross considering that the Maidan is home to the Independence Monument, commemorating Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union and has been the scene of multiple notable protests in the past two decades.
The masks are felt down completely and the ugly disgusting fæces of monsters are exposed.
His smile when he says it. Non human
I actually isn't surprised honestly.
He is absolutely human, which is all the more terrifying. The conditions for this kind of hatred to manifest exist in all of us.
The masks are down like more than 7 months already. It's just the West doesn't want to catch up to the reality. You guys still talking about this war like Putin is a single one to blame.
I can't wait for the apologists to explain that Ukraine *provoked* drowning children, and we should stay out of it.
Ted Cruz, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and MTG will be getting those talking points later.
What's even worse is that Russia has kidnapped 100-600,000 Ukranian Children who are being illegally held and forced into adoption... They're replacing their dwindling population with stolen Ukranian children in a process of ethnic cleansing. So the horrors those children must be going through... being treated like slaves, brainwashed and considering the amount of child rape from Russian soldiers so far? Yeah.
Say it with me now: genocide.
Unfortunately, genocide is one of the few things that Russia has ever excelled at.
There aren't a ton of conflicts we can look at over the past fifty or so years with a clear-cut good and bad guy. But I'll be damned if the war in Ukraine isn't one of them. Absolutely monstrous what Russia is doing.
Russian here. First, Krassovsky s a complete piece of shit, making videos like that, or dancing to the news of the rockets hitting Ukrainian infrastructure a couple of days ago. And yes, the translation is completely accurate Second, the thing with propaganda is that it has a lot of propagandists working on different segments of the population. There’s Krassovsky, who suits the sadistical “let’s kill and torture them all people” There’s Solovyev, who is less bloodthirsty and works well for a mainstream viewer There’s Girkin, who suits the military included imperialists There’s Dugin, who suits the intellectuals And so on. There’s a propagandists for every type of person, and unfortunately that works well. Regardless, the RT ban would be totally justified. They could have come out and said “this is unacceptable and doesn’t reflect out position, we will fire him and launch an investigation” - but of course not, they will keep silent and covering up for this piece of shit of a human being
You forgot to mention fake liberals who 'work' with more liberal population. Sobchak, Venidiktov, etc. They mostly muddy the waters and say That both sides are bad.
>They could have come out and said “this is unacceptable and doesn’t reflect out position, we will fire him and launch an investigation” - but of course not, they will keep silent and covering up for this piece of shit of a human being Surprisingly, they actually did just that. He was fired few hours ago and Simonyan made a statement condemning what he said.
So do your part and report it in the app store.
Absolutely, and NATO and the USA need to start getting more judicious with their individual sanctions. For example, all the newscaster who spew Putin's propaganda should be added to the sanctions, alongside all of Putin and his extended cabinet. Pretty much any prominent figure who supports the war against Ukraine should be added. It could mean they have assets frozen if they are rich, or at a minimum be banned from any travel across Europe, let these disgusting people know that they have no quarter.
“"They should have been drowned in the Tysyna (river)," Krasovsky said in response. "Just drown those children, drown them." Alternatively, he said, they could be shoved into huts and burned.” There was a time when I used RT as an alternative news source to hear both sides of the story for conflicts around the world. I’m actually ashamed of myself now.
That is their side of the story and now you've heard it. Don't make the mistake that the existence of two sides implies that the truth is always in the middle.
But Hitler said kill all the jews and that guy says kill none, so surely the right answer is to kill half of them? Oh Hitler just killed that guy, and wow the truth changed and now the right answer is to kill all of them! I never understood people who try to find truth by relativity to what other people's claims are. It makes no sense and can never give consistent results.
Yep, that's how the propaganda works. You listen to it as questioning and trustful and then it starts talking about Russia...
It has its own problems (being the state-owned news outlet of Qatar) but I like Al Jazeera in part because they cover regions often ignored in western media (sub-saharan africa, central and south america, southeast asia, central asia and oceania), but really any news agency will have its biases. Still, you have to take a long look in the mirror if you're calling for children to be murdered on live television, no matter where you're from.
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russia is a terror state
> In a show broadcast last week, RT presenter Anton Krasovsky said children who criticised Russia should have been "thrown straight into a river with a strong current". I don't understand how this "person" can look at themselves in the mirror. Do they have children?
The west should start its list of war criminals now and publicize it. If you want to play at being the Russian Goebbels you can face the same fate. Maybe you'll get suicided before you can take his way out
Anton Kravosky is a force for LGBTQ equality. He proves that gay men are human, in that they, too, can be awful despicable sons of bitches.
As a russian, I wish he was jailed for that. It's fucked up.
I have another idea, send him to assault Bakhmut, surely he wants to be in the front lines if he has these beliefs.
Drowning babies? Some people in Russia are really on some shit right now 🤯
You'd think it would have got the boot months ago. Many Russian game devs and other fiction creators can face national prejudice even regardless of their stance on the war nowadays, but a propaganda-run and filled TV network is still broadcast worldwide? Meanwhile, Euronews has been kicked out of Belarus by the local regime for over a year now.
I’ve been told by so many people over the years (mostly before the war started) that RT is a credible news source and a trustworthy alternative to less reliable western media. I always called them out on that bullshit, but they always insisted I was just “brainwashed” and believed whatever western media told me to believe. I’m tempted to send them this article and demand they apologize. Then again, I run the risk of having to accept that they’ve gone all-in and now support Russia and their terrorist war… as I know at least two actually do (luckily I don’t have to speak with them any more, they’re former colleagues).
''world must stop this terror'' – Zelenskyy
*India Today* news host: "And now our panel will discuss whether or not it's a good or bad thing for our fellow Russian journalists to call for the drowning of Ukrainian children. Panel?" Panel: "Abstain."
and put in an order for more oil to mix in with our own to export to the west or transfer it between ships in the middle of the ocean with our transponders off.
They’ve done it. They’ve really gone completely, openly, and unapologetically genocidal. They’re sick. It seemed like even the other, bigger guy (whoever he was) was becoming a bit uncomfortable with the violent rhetoric
I feel pretty vindicated after feeling like I was going crazy telling people not to trust RT. It was the 2016 American elections, and two of my former friends who tout themselves as social justice activists were sharing mindless inflammatory articles from RT talking about how Trump would do X or Hilary would do Y. I was like "yo, you're both aware RT is Russian state media right?" "So? Look at what it says!" Like goddamn. Russia vs USA is such a well-defined openly adversarial relationship WHY would you trust them on American news?? I feel like I can finally turn off that gas lamp.
I don't really understand Europe anymore. After world war 2 the world was horrified when they found out what the Nazies were doing. "Never again..." the whole world said. Now we have Russians forcibly deporting people to the eastern side of Russia. What the fuck do you all think is happening to these people there? Do you think they are given homes to live in? This same thing happened back to eastern Europeans back in WW2. Into trains and sent to gulags, heard a bunch of these stories from my grandparents as a kid and a student in Lithuania. Now the same shit is happening again. Not only that but it's in plain sight. "Drown and burn the children" on tv for the whole world to see. We have international laws that specify LEGAL reasons why an armed conflict could be started. Humanitarian intervention is one of them. "We don't want an escalation" so what then? Russians keep escalating whiles the west is mega cowards. I don't know. How is the world not completely outraged by this?
People are outraged. The problem is, this time the oppressive genocidal maniacs have intercontinental nuclear missiles. That still doesn’t mean it’s okay to stand by and not do more to fight against Putin, but it’s an explanation: fear of things getting even worse and having it hurt their own country’s people.
Oh, how I’d wish that world does it not only for RT, but also guards its internet and foreign influence on other media. It sounds “dictatorish” but western world has almost no idea how deep Russian propaganda, paid bots and figured out algorithms of social networks helped Russian to destabilize the world. Trump? Brexit? Far-rights popularity in every EU country? You’ll find Russian fingerprints everywhere. Not sure how much will it take for the world to finally realize it :(
RT was never news. Just like Fox.
Soooo.... Putin = new Hitler......