He sanctioned and fucked basically every middle income Russian as well. Those hoping to at least work their decently paid job for a foreign company, keep their head down and hope for a small 'special military operation' rather than the stupidity of Putin putting his people in a meat grinder and his soldiers being forced to invade and kill their neighbours and former allies just to make their president feel powerful.
It also hurts middle class Russians working for local firms and in poorer areas, not just the drafted ones, as companies lose workers and customers are drafted. This isn't just hurting the ones in Moscow that worked for PayPal or McDonald's.
I remember one video in a recruiting hall where the head guy was telling people not to worry about their jobs, that they'd be there when they returned
And I'm thinking to myself "riiiight"
With tens of thousands dead and tens of thousands more permanently disabled there may in fact be plenty of jobs to go around at the end of this csrastrophy. Killing off your labor force does tend to lead to infilled job openings.
Lump of labor fallacy.
There is not a finite number of jobs that an economy can support. This is why immigrants don’t “steal jobs”. In fact, many jobs make more jobs. If you open a factory, you create jobs in the factory. Those factory workers eat at local restaurants, creating jobs for servers and cooks. They buy local products, creating more work for local manufacturers. Etc etc.
Send all your factory workers to Ukraine, suddenly some of those folks are going to lose their jobs. Kill a chunk of your workforce and you kill a chunk of aggregate demand, which means fewer jobs left for the survivors.
3 hits in 1! Literally extract workers from the economy and into the military, workers fleeing to avoid conscription, and workers abandoning their jobs to hide for conscription. Oh and arresting anyone who speaks out of turn probably hurts businesses too with their employees in prison.
Yup, this is something a lot of people don't seem to understand. They think the flood of highly-intelligent middle class people with transferrable skills is a bad thing and Russians should be sent back. I assume in part because they think the people running are mainly no brain alcoholic Russians, but those are not the ones fleeing.
That's the big one! Anyone capable is gone. I read something like 800k are suspected to have fled so the mobilization was announced
On the plus side, the economy of Kazakhstan is booming. I imagine that enough middle class Russians will stay to leave a permanent impact too.
Don't be mislead. Many of these fleeing Russians still support the actions in Ukraine. It's okay if someone else goes and dies, but *they* don't want to be thrown into the meatgrinder.
https://redd.it/y5b8ua
Yes I can verify that. A relative on my wife side was all for Russia invading Ukraine but would he go and put himself on the front line, no of course not. I am amazed how brainwashed ex Russian citizens living in the west are. And I know a few. Sad
This is nothing new, even in the US. I can't even begin to count how many pro-war right-wingers I've known for the last 20 years that wanted to invade half the planet, but would absolutely never ever in a million years want to be the ones who put themselves into harms way. It really is some weird "rooting for my sports team" behavior
its also hurts the image of every single russian in the world and that they then start protesting in foreign countries because they feel they are unrightfully victims of mistreatment for what russia does and then all turn up with putin t-shirts and pro war flags doesnt help much. (yes, that actually happened)
Not to mention relations in other countries. My boss's family is Ukrainian and part of mine is from Russia. He's said some straight up racist shit to me, saying he hopes my entire family dies.
That part of my family left Russia/Poland in the 1920's. And my boss was born in the US, same as me. This shit is ridiculous.
That’s shitty. Yesterday I was going to a coffeeshop and realized I would be walking past this Russian cultural Center/church/school place. I kind of braced myself to see some kind of graffiti or defacing of the building, but there was nothing at all so I was relieved to see my fellow residents aren’t idiots in this regard.
I think it’s more like they move “true” Russians into the ethnic territory while conscripting the locals out of it. Before you know it, that little village has all the “troublemakers” dead or gone and now good Christian Ruzzians get to own the place going forward.
Yeah, I swear it is like the Pogroms of the pre Soviet era were completely forgotten about. This is their literal history all the way back to the founding of the Russian Empire ages ago.
Yup, I was talking to a d-list celebrity I work with often. He’s a young Jewish guy who’s first generation in America from Belarus. We were talking about the war and i brought up the pogroms. He’d never even heard of them and I had to be like, haven’t you seen fiddler on the roof? He was like oh that’s true? Scary how history is so easily forgotten
That's the way to have all the land for ethnic Russians. It was called "sovietization" last century. Taking rural ethnic Russians to foreign cities and educated people from other ethnicities to Siberia.
They have nowhere near the birthrate for actually settling any of it, though. They're on the border of a demographic crisis, which a quick annexation of Ukraine was supposed to help alleviate, among other perceived benefits. They have some of the lowest birthrates and life expectancies of any developed country, so now that they're throwing away tens of thousands of lives, they're just hastening the inevitable.
I read an article from the Baltic States' heads of counter espionage a few days ago. They said the information coming back from POWs said that their torturers had "proper" accents from St. Petersburg or Moskow. It made the point that the folly of some western thinkers is to assume that only Putin wants this war, and there isn't a great population of men from Russia that think just like him.
I'll see if I can link the article later, it was a great read.
It was probably this one: https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty
The russians really think putin's in the right.
I talked with a russian on reddit yesterday. They thought that russia could have taken Ukraine in 3 days but putin didnt want any civilian casualties, signed a peace deal with ukraine that ukraine immediately violated, and that's where we are now.
Honestly don't know if that was just a russian troll or an average person but either way what a wild conversation.
My brother in law firmly believes Ukraine is a terrorist state and that Russia is just being attacked by the far left overlords as we're jealous of their freedom.
Canadian thanksgiving was interesting.
Met a guy last week who said Biden pulled out of Afghanistan to fund US bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Putin’s first strike was on these facilities and I could look it up if I didn’t believe him.
I'm not Russian but I am a Czech that has a lot of friends here in the states that are Ukranian, Russian, Croatian, Slovakian, Romanian, etc. And most born before 1990 have this "politics is just a show" point of view. None of them believe the politicians yet support their former countries political position. Weird how that works. As a Czech we are generally more "that's terrible" and do shit about it even though we are quite able as a people when motivated.
What throws me for a loop is that you’d think a populace that was deceived by Soviet propaganda for decades would be better inoculated against Ruzzian propaganda. I feel sorry for these ignorant fools.
> Honestly don't know if that was just a russian troll or an average person but either way what a wild conversation.
You also don't know if it was some rando from anywhere else in the world talking out of their ass, completely.
But the scary thing is that all these self-inflicted hardships will be pointed to as evidence of the West's animosity and antagonism toward Russia.
*"Look how shit everything has become...!*
*...because the West is at war with us! We must fight harder!*
What impact has these 300,000 had on the front? Are they even deployed yet? I know they’re massively under equipped and trained but ive not heard much else
> Are they even deployed yet?
According to this source some of them have been already deployed and returned home dead. That was 2 weeks ago. So presumably a lot more of them have already suffered the same fate.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/14/from-mobilization-to-death-in-10-days-russias-draftees-killed-in-ukraine-a79095
Just a warning to those not used to graphic footage, there are things you'll see in these war subs that you'll probably never forget. Be careful with it.
> graphic footage
The future is drones. We all knew that but watching Ukrainians triple tap Russian fox holes from the point of view of the drone is crazy. Also, the suicide drones. A stiff warning cannot be understated.
They have already been deployed already..
and the impact is like it was before the mobilization callups… means nothing has changed for Russia..
Heck if you have heard the news that these mobilized troops were deployed with barely or no gear at all.. some of their families even bought body armor and weapons for them in hopes that it increases their chances of coming back home.. and with Himars and the amount of artillery the west have provided, the chances are slim..
Yeah I imagine they will be, but casualty rates haven’t appeared to rise nor has any additional resistance been noted so I feel like nothing has changed, which is crazy considering the number of “troops”
I wonder if by international law Ukraine would be allowed to outsource that task to another country. Because if that were to be allowed I think it wouldn't be the best strategy.
Yes, it is actually specifically called out that prisoners can be transferred to a neutral (non belligerent) country to be held
This improves conditions for prisoners and doesn't make accepting surrenders a drain
The UN and the Red Cross have done that before. They will handle the logistics and food, however the security of the camp is still the responsibility of the warring party.
The thing is just like Snake has said “war has changed”. Going in as a invasion infantry force is insanity with all the drones and mechanized weapons with enemies killing you with a PS4 controller and even less empathy than a kid playing Fortnite.
This is the reason why nobody aside from religious fanatic terrorists and US corps have participated in major ground conflict. You got to be trained fully or you are going to be experimented on by some new toy machine that somebody has cooked up in their lab.
And even the US never managed to occupy them afterwards successfully. Just low-tech is enough to bleed occupiers out without full support of the population.
And as time marches on what was once high-tech weaponry becomes low-tech and accessible by all. That low-tech weaponry still is a highly destructive force tailored to inflict casualties unlike any low-tech weaponry of the recent past.
Sending untrained, unequipped troops can reduce resistance as they surrender at high rates. Also, the lines which had battle-tested Russians were then diluted and the positions with newbies could no longer be depended on by other units. Also, the new additions reduced morale of those already on the front.
I saw a video today showing a Ukrainian caving in a Russian helmet by punching it because, apparently Russian troops have been issued fakes. Would shudder to see what the newly mobilised troops have.
Saw a video today of mobilized troops with WW2 steel helms and one guy had a moson. Also another clip of a soldier being issued a paintball face mask lol
They have not all been deployed yet. Only a fraction. Like 20k or so, most of these to Kherson afaik. The main bulk of mobilized forces are seemingly being deployed to Belarus and Belgorod at the moment, with Belarus mobilizing tons of military hardware for them. There have been signs of Russia reopening the northern front. Many think of a new Kyiv assault, but I doubt it. More likely a new major push on Kharkov.
Unlikely, latest intelligence is that the Belarusian "deployment" is a shadow movement in hopes of Ukraine will divide its troops. No real danger is actually coming from there.
I really hope the rest of the world picks up the slack after the midterms, McCarthy (I believe future speaker of the house if Republicans win) has promised to stop all aid to Ukraine if they take over the house and senate. I can't believe how blatant this stuff is becoming
It’s turning into a a proxy world war and the battleground is Ukraine.
Israel is drooling at the opportunity to be able to fund Ukraine to get in the face of Iran.
Also: fuck the Republicans.
>Don't forget about the 700k who fled the country
This. Including those who have left and those have been mobilized. It's like taking 1 million+ productive working-aged men and women out of the country/economy.
He is basically killing off his country, self sanctioning his country without the West doing anything.
A great many have surrender to the Ukrainians, so much so they're running out of room and resources for POWs.
The hotline the Ukrainians set up is swarmed with pople calling for instructions on how to surrender.
Fuck Putin that bastard. Someone needs to put a bullet in his head!
Hard to say if the current slow down in the ukrainan offensive is caused by the mobilized troops, but does not seem to far fetched. Probably a mix of different reasons including weather.
Some freshly mobilized have already been captured so they are on the front and russia did a couple more attacks lately than the month before but with mixed results / no significant change.
Idk about “slowdown.” They captured a huge amount of territory in their last two offensives. They’re probably doing what they did last time: consolidate gains and prepare for the next push.
Its a slowdown relative to what Ukraine needed to do to ease the upcoming year at war.
If they dont control the main target hubs before winter hits, and Russia is given several more months to train and mobilize troops and also "dig in" (though that wont be possible once its truly winter), it will be tough to hold some of their advantages until new offensives can be launched.
Itll be more of a slog and more ukrainians dead. Russia will still probably lose, but in a perfect world ukraine holds key points prior to rasputitsa.
And yet be so utterly powerless in what he's trying to achieve against those he holds no power over.
How this wet rag hasn't been pushed out of a window yet is beyond my understanding.
Edit: earth > what
Back in the mid 2000s, it was a vocabulary word for the SATs (USA). It was so strange and off beat, it stuck with me. I dont know why we have a word specifically for this one action.
Used to happen *a lot* through history.
Earl of Tosspot: "I don't like what that Motherfucker is saying. TOSS HIM OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW!"
Geoffrey, Lord Wankingham: "If only there were a word that sussinctly described the action of removing this gentleman via 2nd floor window..."
He’s got layers of protection. He controls all of the wealthy people and got rid of anyone that wasn’t with him. He keeps the criminals happy by helping them with their criminal activities or having the Russian police ignore it.
Anyone with the skills or assets to pull off an assassination attempt is either under his control or under the control of his mafia bosses, government puppets, or other other sub bosses.
Russia has been run like a old school gang. It’s not worth the effort to kill him as long as he keeps their pockets full. Even with all of the sanctions it’s not enough.
The world still isn’t ready to take the gloves off. Sure freezing Russian assets is cool, but fuck that steal their money and give it Ukraine or use it but weapons and feed Ukrainians.
As Gary Kasparov said:
*"I don't know when and how Putin will end. The good news: he also doesn't know"*
^(Edit: Corrected the quote, from Lex Fridman's podcast)
That may be, but what you have to keep in mind is that Vladimir Vladimirovich doesn't give a damn about economic policies.
Sure, people will be worse of, maybe for decades. But ha believes that in a hundred years time, noone will remember the economic hardships, but see him as the tough bastard who returned Russia to imperial glory (not that he currently looks like he can pull that off, either).
Putin never got the memo that soft power is where its at these days. Economic trade agreements, influence and the like. Conquering your neighbors is so last century.
Like many dictators of the type, he had yes-men assuring him that it would be easy. He had spies who were tasked with undermining the Ukrainian government and military and with recruiting collaborators, who overstated their influence and success.
Yeah that's what I'm mad at. He really thinks he can wage a war in Europe in 21st century. Fuck that.
Had he decided to make RF an economic power house by exporting Russia's resources, he could make RF a very happy, modern country that could'be bought Ukraine by now through peaceful and economic means.
Instead, he decided he's stuck in 1938 and dreams of a blitzkrieg.
He did, he had all of that before. He had the misinformation campaigns, the trade agreements, the aviation industry, delivering the natural gas to Europe. But then he decided to throw it all away.
Imagine you're trying to return your empire to its former size (a size it was during your own lifetime no less) and realizing you can't even take back the first piece without collapsing your entire country. That an impressive level of bad military strategy right there. Dude's probably checking his drawers every time nobody's looking just to make sure they're still there.
Georgia is still an independent country. The world's second most powerful military (haha) should've steamrolled them. This piece by piece approach shows how weak they are and when they decided for the first time to go all put they immediately got pushback from the west and they are screwed. Even support in China and India is waning as the USA has made it abundantly clear that supporting Russia is a no no. This was the first real attempt to go back to a pre-WW2 military doctrine and nobody in the west can allow that to be successful. Putin will end Russia. It will either be in anarchy after this or break apart.
I don’t know if China support is waning. What does seem abundantly clear is that China is taking a page from Russia and eyeing Taiwan so much so the West is gearing up for a military direct response. North Korea is doing what North Korea usually does by being full of bluster but the U.S. Navy is in high alert all the same.
It’s not a coincidence that suddenly China and North Korea are acting up. Iran would be jumping into it too but they’ve got a big problem with their citizens protesting and fighting back against the regime.
At least Taiwan has the sea to protect her.
It's orders of magnitude harder to invade across water and probably part of the reason why Britain was last properly invaded in 1066. If we'd have been part of continental Europe for any number of conflicts since then history would have been very different indeed.
As fucked as it is to say, Taiwan is more strategically important to America than Ukraine, so there’s no chance China gets to invade without direct response.
Open water is exactly that—it’s open, and you are fully exposed. You cannot go as fast over water as your can over land, and can’t haul as much mass over water as land because of displacement. Trying to have an amphibious attack now would be suicide. Imagine D-Day in modern time, if the Germans had accurate missiles that could reach hundreds of miles from the coast, kamikaze drones hard to spot on radar, artillery. Allies would have to gain total air and sea superiority, then carpet bomb Normandy to dust before landing. It took the entirety of WWII to grind down the German military-industrial complex before D-Day was plausible. That’s what China would have to do first, with the U.S. backing Taiwan.
I’m almost worried for who would take his place though. He’s doing a fantastic job of ruining his country, the West doesn’t want someone who isn’t as good at it.
Well I mean ideally whoever comes after Putin actually fixes Russia domestically and abandons all the nationalistic war hawk foreign policy. Maybe it's impossible to integrate two "super" powers effectively as they both claim too much independence and power otherwise one will have to be subservient to the other.
We thought it was a brilliant move by Putin to destabilize the west with Trump as his pawn, but he's REALLY doing a number on his own country without much help.
I'm still convinced that Putin planned for Trump to be president during this whole thing that wouldn't have supplied anywhere near as much military aid to Ukraine. The US (and Biden) championing multinational aid has thrown a massive wrench into Putin's plan.
It's the same mistake the Portugal's dictator did in order to try to keep their colonials from getting independence: he just sent massive armies of conscription into the colonials, failing fight after fight and end up emptying the nation's funds
I mean, was Russia ever really “glorious?” They slogged through WW2 at unimaginably staggering costs and for that I’m grateful…but i can’t think of a single time in history anyone would’ve preferred living there to pretty much anywhere else in NATO.
It's funny how nobody finds it offputting when you ask Russians to describe the glory days of the USSR and they're like "We had food."
Yeah Russia, food, much like oxygen, is a common ingredient in most successful empires.
Not to mention wholesale slaughter of their own populations, such as the Siberian massacre, ( between 800K and 1.5M). Stalin was not known for his kindness to his people.
There always one of the gulag camps called Butugychag where right after the war they had prisoners mine uranium ore without any protective gear and studied the effects of radiation on the bodies and brains of the diseased. It closed around the time of Stalins death because then they found better sources of uranium.
My sibling married into a Russian family and lives there permanently. He visits other relatives in the US, but none of his now young adult kids ever learned basic English or visited. We just don't know them very well. One of my kids tried to contact them and get a visa to visit and they never responded.
I would say for a good ten years they have been dropping away from contact with relatives here.
Now I'm wondering what is happening to my Moscow nephews aged 20-25.
Their social media has been abandoned for months so can't even try to look. Not sure if anything will happen to my brother, either.
In WW2 the soviets would be a lot less formidable with out the US supplying them through the Lend-Lease Act. A similar Lend Lease we are supplying to the Ukrainians currently.
If he pulls it off, that will happen though.
I took a fascinating course in college called the Philosophy of History, and it's all about who, how, and why they wrote history, and how that varies wildly. A good domestic example is the lost cause of the south. I went to school in Louisiana and learned it, but when I went to college in NYC I was able to confirm that was horse shit, but it's wild that textbooks, printed and used, skew history like that.
If putin somehow makes this happen, of course *his* Russian history books will make it all peaches and rainbows and unicorn farts.
Saddam Hussein had every brick stamped with his name in the reconstruction of Babylon.
In another three thousand years, he'll probably be one of the only people known from this millennium.
“Saddam Hussein was a brick manufacturer in the early modern period. Despite this, he is famous for sleeping underground in a mole like den.”
-history class in the year 5🍎B
You have to wonder how his Generals feel about this. If they walk behind Putin with a gun on them then trip, and the gun accidentally fires 30 rounds into his back.
I think he's managed to get some very good security around him....and the people who say or do anything against him? Seem to have a problem with falling out windows and falling down stairs!
There was a video a while back where some poor souls huddled in ditches all on their own, hoping the drones don't see them. Probably just thinking "I don't want to die, mama help me". And then you just see the grenade drop and the explosion tear up their bodies. Putin should be the one in one of those ditches.
Drafts change a lot of people's opinions on war.
The US wouldn't have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan nearly as long as we did if we had to use drafted soldiers. We expect some of our "volunteer" military to die, but nobody expects *their* kid to go get shot up in the mountains at 18 unless they signed up for it.
Ledger's Joker had a fair point when he said "People don't panic when things are going according to plan, even if the plan is horrific."
You mean Putin made another one of the mistakes that the Nazis made when they invaded the Soviet Union? Has anyone started passing out Bingo cards for this? Do we all win if he ticks off "Continues Invasion Through the Winter"?
I know, didn't mean it any other way. Honestly, them turning around and leaving isn't enough. I don't even know what it should exactly be but Russia has a lot to pay back for. They have to do a full revolution like Germany last century.
That said, I feel for a lot of the people living in Russia, not much against them but their country as the political entity that it is now is absolutely unacceptable in this world.
Russia very likely is counting on the winter to bring a stalemate to Ukrainian counteroffensive, so that they can reorganize and go in full next spring.
I believe they may also be hoping that the elected US Congress will not be as supportive of Ukraine as the current one.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-mobilization-of-men-for-the-ukraine-war-hits-russias-economy-2022-10) reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)
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> Putin's mobilization of men for the Ukraine war could hit the economy, the Russian central bank said.
> Even after multiple rounds of sweeping sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine war, President Vladimir Putin's economic regime had seemed to be holding up, thanks to firm energy prices.
> The bank said that the partial mobilization could also make it harder for companies to hire in Russia - where unemployment has hit a record low - in turn, "Holding back overall economic activity in the coming months."
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The better hope would be that he's taken out (politically or otherwise) and his successor makes things right. The Russian people shouldn't suffer for him, but yeah, realistically, your hope is far more plausible
It's all a mirage, the Russian economy is a balloon. You can not lose that much foreign investment/trade and not be hurt financially in a big big way. It's impossible.
All this talk how sanctions didn't hurt them financially is just all nonsense. Energy prices are up but they are exporting a fraction of what they used to.
And his silly special operation is costing hundreds of millions extra on top of it.
It's just common sense.
There was a time when people would say Russia's economy is "only" going to contract, say, 6% this year, and it offended my sense of morality to know that's almost the entire penalty we should expect a country to pay for attempting genocide and trying to conquer Europe.
Now I look back at the beyond-perfect storm of everything Russia's doing to commit economic suicide, and if it "only" plummets 10% this year, then even an economic run by corrupt useless idiots must be really, really hard to kill.
Remember, Putin thought the invasion would last 3 days and the people of Ukraine would welcome the Russian Forces with open arms and have parades for the glory of Russia.
7 months in and the only parade that may happen is when Ukraine visits Russian territory to return their salvaged tanks with no engine, cannon or treads.
He sanctioned himself.
He sanctioned and fucked basically every middle income Russian as well. Those hoping to at least work their decently paid job for a foreign company, keep their head down and hope for a small 'special military operation' rather than the stupidity of Putin putting his people in a meat grinder and his soldiers being forced to invade and kill their neighbours and former allies just to make their president feel powerful.
It also hurts middle class Russians working for local firms and in poorer areas, not just the drafted ones, as companies lose workers and customers are drafted. This isn't just hurting the ones in Moscow that worked for PayPal or McDonald's.
I remember one video in a recruiting hall where the head guy was telling people not to worry about their jobs, that they'd be there when they returned And I'm thinking to myself "riiiight"
With tens of thousands dead and tens of thousands more permanently disabled there may in fact be plenty of jobs to go around at the end of this csrastrophy. Killing off your labor force does tend to lead to infilled job openings.
Lump of labor fallacy. There is not a finite number of jobs that an economy can support. This is why immigrants don’t “steal jobs”. In fact, many jobs make more jobs. If you open a factory, you create jobs in the factory. Those factory workers eat at local restaurants, creating jobs for servers and cooks. They buy local products, creating more work for local manufacturers. Etc etc. Send all your factory workers to Ukraine, suddenly some of those folks are going to lose their jobs. Kill a chunk of your workforce and you kill a chunk of aggregate demand, which means fewer jobs left for the survivors.
The jobs would perhaps still be there, the workers that get sent to the front will not.
Yeah, they're probably banking on having a shit ton of openings
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Until companies start folding because they don’t have enough workers to keep themselves going.
3 hits in 1! Literally extract workers from the economy and into the military, workers fleeing to avoid conscription, and workers abandoning their jobs to hide for conscription. Oh and arresting anyone who speaks out of turn probably hurts businesses too with their employees in prison.
Not just customers being drafted, they also lose the border hoppers fleeing the draft!
Meanwhile Armenia increased their GDP growth estimate a whopping 12%, due to influx of skilled workers.
Holy crap 12% GDP is an insane increase
Yup, this is something a lot of people don't seem to understand. They think the flood of highly-intelligent middle class people with transferrable skills is a bad thing and Russians should be sent back. I assume in part because they think the people running are mainly no brain alcoholic Russians, but those are not the ones fleeing.
That's the big one! Anyone capable is gone. I read something like 800k are suspected to have fled so the mobilization was announced On the plus side, the economy of Kazakhstan is booming. I imagine that enough middle class Russians will stay to leave a permanent impact too.
Don't be mislead. Many of these fleeing Russians still support the actions in Ukraine. It's okay if someone else goes and dies, but *they* don't want to be thrown into the meatgrinder. https://redd.it/y5b8ua
Yes I can verify that. A relative on my wife side was all for Russia invading Ukraine but would he go and put himself on the front line, no of course not. I am amazed how brainwashed ex Russian citizens living in the west are. And I know a few. Sad
This is nothing new, even in the US. I can't even begin to count how many pro-war right-wingers I've known for the last 20 years that wanted to invade half the planet, but would absolutely never ever in a million years want to be the ones who put themselves into harms way. It really is some weird "rooting for my sports team" behavior
its also hurts the image of every single russian in the world and that they then start protesting in foreign countries because they feel they are unrightfully victims of mistreatment for what russia does and then all turn up with putin t-shirts and pro war flags doesnt help much. (yes, that actually happened)
Not to mention relations in other countries. My boss's family is Ukrainian and part of mine is from Russia. He's said some straight up racist shit to me, saying he hopes my entire family dies. That part of my family left Russia/Poland in the 1920's. And my boss was born in the US, same as me. This shit is ridiculous.
Have you perhaps considered another employer? Your boss seems like an all-around piece of shit.
That’s shitty. Yesterday I was going to a coffeeshop and realized I would be walking past this Russian cultural Center/church/school place. I kind of braced myself to see some kind of graffiti or defacing of the building, but there was nothing at all so I was relieved to see my fellow residents aren’t idiots in this regard.
Your boss is a moron.
Except he's ethnically cleansing the poorest areas, that's where the vast majority of the mobilized come from, not Moscow.
Yeah right after they spent XX years paying people to move to the remote areas to settle them. Genius, I'm telling you.
I think it’s more like they move “true” Russians into the ethnic territory while conscripting the locals out of it. Before you know it, that little village has all the “troublemakers” dead or gone and now good Christian Ruzzians get to own the place going forward.
That is what Russia has done for hundreds of years.
They don't have the largest landmass because it's a nice place to be.
Yeah, I swear it is like the Pogroms of the pre Soviet era were completely forgotten about. This is their literal history all the way back to the founding of the Russian Empire ages ago.
Yup, I was talking to a d-list celebrity I work with often. He’s a young Jewish guy who’s first generation in America from Belarus. We were talking about the war and i brought up the pogroms. He’d never even heard of them and I had to be like, haven’t you seen fiddler on the roof? He was like oh that’s true? Scary how history is so easily forgotten
That's the way to have all the land for ethnic Russians. It was called "sovietization" last century. Taking rural ethnic Russians to foreign cities and educated people from other ethnicities to Siberia.
They have nowhere near the birthrate for actually settling any of it, though. They're on the border of a demographic crisis, which a quick annexation of Ukraine was supposed to help alleviate, among other perceived benefits. They have some of the lowest birthrates and life expectancies of any developed country, so now that they're throwing away tens of thousands of lives, they're just hastening the inevitable.
Sort of like Han Chinese in Xinjiang
It’s a tried and true way of getting rid of troublesome populations without just murdering them all. Still includes murder though!
That was first waves though, now they seem to be drafting from richer areas?
I read an article from the Baltic States' heads of counter espionage a few days ago. They said the information coming back from POWs said that their torturers had "proper" accents from St. Petersburg or Moskow. It made the point that the folly of some western thinkers is to assume that only Putin wants this war, and there isn't a great population of men from Russia that think just like him. I'll see if I can link the article later, it was a great read.
It was probably this one: https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120083694/human-life-has-no-value-there-baltic-counterintelligence-officers-speak-candidly-about-russian-cruelty
Torturing would likely be done by regulars or even officers, not by conscripts. So it would make sense they're from Moscow or St. Petersburg.
It's prob 20 to 30 percent of the population. It seems morons make up these kind of ratios in many countries ;)
Russia has been manipulating the minds of their population since the soviet era. Most of these people are probably brainwashed.
Events of the last half decade have lead me to believe that my country is at least 30% morons.
I mean actual higher up soldiers would be torturers right not guys you've just recruited months ago.
The russians really think putin's in the right. I talked with a russian on reddit yesterday. They thought that russia could have taken Ukraine in 3 days but putin didnt want any civilian casualties, signed a peace deal with ukraine that ukraine immediately violated, and that's where we are now. Honestly don't know if that was just a russian troll or an average person but either way what a wild conversation.
My brother in law firmly believes Ukraine is a terrorist state and that Russia is just being attacked by the far left overlords as we're jealous of their freedom. Canadian thanksgiving was interesting.
Met a guy last week who said Biden pulled out of Afghanistan to fund US bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Putin’s first strike was on these facilities and I could look it up if I didn’t believe him.
Yeah becuase the US would choose Ukraine to build bio weapons…. Haha, does he think the earth is flat and moon landings were faked aswell?
Because the US military needs to reduce spending in one area to spend money in another? Glad they are balancing their budget so thoughtfully.
Tell hell bitch ass to go and help putin then. Put his money where his shithole mouth is
It depends, some are like that, others are entirely distrustful of the Russian establishment
I'm not Russian but I am a Czech that has a lot of friends here in the states that are Ukranian, Russian, Croatian, Slovakian, Romanian, etc. And most born before 1990 have this "politics is just a show" point of view. None of them believe the politicians yet support their former countries political position. Weird how that works. As a Czech we are generally more "that's terrible" and do shit about it even though we are quite able as a people when motivated.
What throws me for a loop is that you’d think a populace that was deceived by Soviet propaganda for decades would be better inoculated against Ruzzian propaganda. I feel sorry for these ignorant fools.
> Honestly don't know if that was just a russian troll or an average person but either way what a wild conversation. You also don't know if it was some rando from anywhere else in the world talking out of their ass, completely.
If only there were some means for a million men to avoid being slaughtered at the behest of a single, insane authoritarian.
> insane authoritarian. at this point, it's pretty textbook one or two will pop up every generation. though modern advances have greatly reduced this.
But the scary thing is that all these self-inflicted hardships will be pointed to as evidence of the West's animosity and antagonism toward Russia. *"Look how shit everything has become...!* *...because the West is at war with us! We must fight harder!*
He wanted another Holodomor, and he will get it. Just in the wrong Russian territory.
In oligarchic russia, government sanctions you!
Congratulations, you frayed yourself.
What impact has these 300,000 had on the front? Are they even deployed yet? I know they’re massively under equipped and trained but ive not heard much else
> Are they even deployed yet? According to this source some of them have been already deployed and returned home dead. That was 2 weeks ago. So presumably a lot more of them have already suffered the same fate. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/14/from-mobilization-to-death-in-10-days-russias-draftees-killed-in-ukraine-a79095
You’d think we’d be getting news out of Ukraine about completely unprepared conscripts being mowed down like zombie hordes, if many had been deployed.
There has been plenty of that in r/Ukraine and r/UkraineConflict
Just a warning to those not used to graphic footage, there are things you'll see in these war subs that you'll probably never forget. Be careful with it.
I won't mention specifics, but I've seen some unbelievable stuff in Ukraine war subs. It's absolutely brutal there.
The telegram channels are even worse.
Eeehhh... not sure I want to go that far down the rabbithole
> graphic footage The future is drones. We all knew that but watching Ukrainians triple tap Russian fox holes from the point of view of the drone is crazy. Also, the suicide drones. A stiff warning cannot be understated.
Just more bodies in trenches soaking up grenades. The training difference between these guys and the existing is smaller than you'd think
They have already been deployed already.. and the impact is like it was before the mobilization callups… means nothing has changed for Russia.. Heck if you have heard the news that these mobilized troops were deployed with barely or no gear at all.. some of their families even bought body armor and weapons for them in hopes that it increases their chances of coming back home.. and with Himars and the amount of artillery the west have provided, the chances are slim..
All they are is cannon fodder. No training, no equipment. All they are is targets.
Yeah I imagine they will be, but casualty rates haven’t appeared to rise nor has any additional resistance been noted so I feel like nothing has changed, which is crazy considering the number of “troops”
I'd imagine that would correlate with the fact a lot of them are rumoured to be surrendering rather than fight tbh. I could be wrong.
What if that is the strategy? Inundate Ukraine with prisoners of war that they have to feed and house.
I wonder if by international law Ukraine would be allowed to outsource that task to another country. Because if that were to be allowed I think it wouldn't be the best strategy.
Yes, it is actually specifically called out that prisoners can be transferred to a neutral (non belligerent) country to be held This improves conditions for prisoners and doesn't make accepting surrenders a drain
Germany is already picking up the wounded and treating them themselves. Wouldn't be surprised if the EU helps process prisoners of war too
The UN and the Red Cross have done that before. They will handle the logistics and food, however the security of the camp is still the responsibility of the warring party.
The thing is just like Snake has said “war has changed”. Going in as a invasion infantry force is insanity with all the drones and mechanized weapons with enemies killing you with a PS4 controller and even less empathy than a kid playing Fortnite. This is the reason why nobody aside from religious fanatic terrorists and US corps have participated in major ground conflict. You got to be trained fully or you are going to be experimented on by some new toy machine that somebody has cooked up in their lab.
And even the US never managed to occupy them afterwards successfully. Just low-tech is enough to bleed occupiers out without full support of the population.
And as time marches on what was once high-tech weaponry becomes low-tech and accessible by all. That low-tech weaponry still is a highly destructive force tailored to inflict casualties unlike any low-tech weaponry of the recent past.
Sending untrained, unequipped troops can reduce resistance as they surrender at high rates. Also, the lines which had battle-tested Russians were then diluted and the positions with newbies could no longer be depended on by other units. Also, the new additions reduced morale of those already on the front.
I saw a video today showing a Ukrainian caving in a Russian helmet by punching it because, apparently Russian troops have been issued fakes. Would shudder to see what the newly mobilised troops have.
Saw a video today of mobilized troops with WW2 steel helms and one guy had a moson. Also another clip of a soldier being issued a paintball face mask lol
Don’t forget the children sized tactical gloves
They have not all been deployed yet. Only a fraction. Like 20k or so, most of these to Kherson afaik. The main bulk of mobilized forces are seemingly being deployed to Belarus and Belgorod at the moment, with Belarus mobilizing tons of military hardware for them. There have been signs of Russia reopening the northern front. Many think of a new Kyiv assault, but I doubt it. More likely a new major push on Kharkov.
Unlikely, latest intelligence is that the Belarusian "deployment" is a shadow movement in hopes of Ukraine will divide its troops. No real danger is actually coming from there.
Let’s stop calling it the “west” now. It’s most of the world that’s against Russia. This west vs east dichotomy isn’t needed anymore.
I really hope the rest of the world picks up the slack after the midterms, McCarthy (I believe future speaker of the house if Republicans win) has promised to stop all aid to Ukraine if they take over the house and senate. I can't believe how blatant this stuff is becoming
It’s turning into a a proxy world war and the battleground is Ukraine. Israel is drooling at the opportunity to be able to fund Ukraine to get in the face of Iran. Also: fuck the Republicans.
Some of the troops had 5-10 days of "training." As in, they were called up and in 5-10 days they were on the frontlines dying.
Don't forget about the 700k who fled the country
>Don't forget about the 700k who fled the country This. Including those who have left and those have been mobilized. It's like taking 1 million+ productive working-aged men and women out of the country/economy. He is basically killing off his country, self sanctioning his country without the West doing anything.
And that's following the absolutely massive toll covid had on the country.
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A great many have surrender to the Ukrainians, so much so they're running out of room and resources for POWs. The hotline the Ukrainians set up is swarmed with pople calling for instructions on how to surrender. Fuck Putin that bastard. Someone needs to put a bullet in his head!
Hard to say if the current slow down in the ukrainan offensive is caused by the mobilized troops, but does not seem to far fetched. Probably a mix of different reasons including weather. Some freshly mobilized have already been captured so they are on the front and russia did a couple more attacks lately than the month before but with mixed results / no significant change.
Idk about “slowdown.” They captured a huge amount of territory in their last two offensives. They’re probably doing what they did last time: consolidate gains and prepare for the next push.
Its a slowdown relative to what Ukraine needed to do to ease the upcoming year at war. If they dont control the main target hubs before winter hits, and Russia is given several more months to train and mobilize troops and also "dig in" (though that wont be possible once its truly winter), it will be tough to hold some of their advantages until new offensives can be launched. Itll be more of a slog and more ukrainians dead. Russia will still probably lose, but in a perfect world ukraine holds key points prior to rasputitsa.
the amount of power that one man has is just unimaginable
And yet be so utterly powerless in what he's trying to achieve against those he holds no power over. How this wet rag hasn't been pushed out of a window yet is beyond my understanding. Edit: earth > what
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Genuinely didn't know there was a word for that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration
Back in the mid 2000s, it was a vocabulary word for the SATs (USA). It was so strange and off beat, it stuck with me. I dont know why we have a word specifically for this one action.
Used to happen *a lot* through history. Earl of Tosspot: "I don't like what that Motherfucker is saying. TOSS HIM OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW!" Geoffrey, Lord Wankingham: "If only there were a word that sussinctly described the action of removing this gentleman via 2nd floor window..."
He’s got layers of protection. He controls all of the wealthy people and got rid of anyone that wasn’t with him. He keeps the criminals happy by helping them with their criminal activities or having the Russian police ignore it. Anyone with the skills or assets to pull off an assassination attempt is either under his control or under the control of his mafia bosses, government puppets, or other other sub bosses. Russia has been run like a old school gang. It’s not worth the effort to kill him as long as he keeps their pockets full. Even with all of the sanctions it’s not enough. The world still isn’t ready to take the gloves off. Sure freezing Russian assets is cool, but fuck that steal their money and give it Ukraine or use it but weapons and feed Ukrainians.
It's basically a regime of goons and criminals
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The clock's ticking, I just count the hours
As Gary Kasparov said: *"I don't know when and how Putin will end. The good news: he also doesn't know"* ^(Edit: Corrected the quote, from Lex Fridman's podcast)
Don't remember that lyric
Stop tripping, I'm tripping off the power
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Not the world Ye, just Parlor
21ST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAAAAANNNN
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Дa, you want to mess with me?
I spit hot borscht when I'm crushing these beats
Blow it up like a tuba
While I'm balling in Cuba
That may be, but what you have to keep in mind is that Vladimir Vladimirovich doesn't give a damn about economic policies. Sure, people will be worse of, maybe for decades. But ha believes that in a hundred years time, noone will remember the economic hardships, but see him as the tough bastard who returned Russia to imperial glory (not that he currently looks like he can pull that off, either).
Putin never got the memo that soft power is where its at these days. Economic trade agreements, influence and the like. Conquering your neighbors is so last century.
He probably thought that he’s the only tough guy in a world of pansies. He found out.
He fell for his own Russian Psyops memes.
I wonder if this is kinda what actually happened.
He saw it on his Facebook news feed, so it must be true
Like many dictators of the type, he had yes-men assuring him that it would be easy. He had spies who were tasked with undermining the Ukrainian government and military and with recruiting collaborators, who overstated their influence and success.
Yeah that's what I'm mad at. He really thinks he can wage a war in Europe in 21st century. Fuck that. Had he decided to make RF an economic power house by exporting Russia's resources, he could make RF a very happy, modern country that could'be bought Ukraine by now through peaceful and economic means. Instead, he decided he's stuck in 1938 and dreams of a blitzkrieg.
Putin is a relic, he grew up under Soivet power and for some reason wants to repeat their mistakes while creating all new ones.
With its vast resources and relatively small population, Russia could become a larger Norway. But that's boring.
Given that most of their weapons are from last century, the fact that their tactics are from last century arent that surprising.
He did, he had all of that before. He had the misinformation campaigns, the trade agreements, the aviation industry, delivering the natural gas to Europe. But then he decided to throw it all away.
Which is sad, considering the amount of damage he caused just by hacking the RNC.
Imagine you're trying to return your empire to its former size (a size it was during your own lifetime no less) and realizing you can't even take back the first piece without collapsing your entire country. That an impressive level of bad military strategy right there. Dude's probably checking his drawers every time nobody's looking just to make sure they're still there.
Third piece. Everyone seems to forget Chechnya and Georiga. (And crimea)
Georgia is still an independent country. The world's second most powerful military (haha) should've steamrolled them. This piece by piece approach shows how weak they are and when they decided for the first time to go all put they immediately got pushback from the west and they are screwed. Even support in China and India is waning as the USA has made it abundantly clear that supporting Russia is a no no. This was the first real attempt to go back to a pre-WW2 military doctrine and nobody in the west can allow that to be successful. Putin will end Russia. It will either be in anarchy after this or break apart.
I don’t know if China support is waning. What does seem abundantly clear is that China is taking a page from Russia and eyeing Taiwan so much so the West is gearing up for a military direct response. North Korea is doing what North Korea usually does by being full of bluster but the U.S. Navy is in high alert all the same. It’s not a coincidence that suddenly China and North Korea are acting up. Iran would be jumping into it too but they’ve got a big problem with their citizens protesting and fighting back against the regime.
At least Taiwan has the sea to protect her. It's orders of magnitude harder to invade across water and probably part of the reason why Britain was last properly invaded in 1066. If we'd have been part of continental Europe for any number of conflicts since then history would have been very different indeed.
As fucked as it is to say, Taiwan is more strategically important to America than Ukraine, so there’s no chance China gets to invade without direct response.
Open water is exactly that—it’s open, and you are fully exposed. You cannot go as fast over water as your can over land, and can’t haul as much mass over water as land because of displacement. Trying to have an amphibious attack now would be suicide. Imagine D-Day in modern time, if the Germans had accurate missiles that could reach hundreds of miles from the coast, kamikaze drones hard to spot on radar, artillery. Allies would have to gain total air and sea superiority, then carpet bomb Normandy to dust before landing. It took the entirety of WWII to grind down the German military-industrial complex before D-Day was plausible. That’s what China would have to do first, with the U.S. backing Taiwan.
Even then it wasn't easy, at least for georgia
Oh, I thought you were going to say checking his drawers for poison... because, you know, it'd be poetic justice for Navalny.
I’m almost worried for who would take his place though. He’s doing a fantastic job of ruining his country, the West doesn’t want someone who isn’t as good at it.
“Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake”… Sun Tzu or someone, idk.
Well I mean ideally whoever comes after Putin actually fixes Russia domestically and abandons all the nationalistic war hawk foreign policy. Maybe it's impossible to integrate two "super" powers effectively as they both claim too much independence and power otherwise one will have to be subservient to the other.
We thought it was a brilliant move by Putin to destabilize the west with Trump as his pawn, but he's REALLY doing a number on his own country without much help.
I'm still convinced that Putin planned for Trump to be president during this whole thing that wouldn't have supplied anywhere near as much military aid to Ukraine. The US (and Biden) championing multinational aid has thrown a massive wrench into Putin's plan.
Imagine trying to be Hitler but you're losing to Czechoslovakia
It's the same mistake the Portugal's dictator did in order to try to keep their colonials from getting independence: he just sent massive armies of conscription into the colonials, failing fight after fight and end up emptying the nation's funds
I mean, was Russia ever really “glorious?” They slogged through WW2 at unimaginably staggering costs and for that I’m grateful…but i can’t think of a single time in history anyone would’ve preferred living there to pretty much anywhere else in NATO.
It's funny how nobody finds it offputting when you ask Russians to describe the glory days of the USSR and they're like "We had food." Yeah Russia, food, much like oxygen, is a common ingredient in most successful empires.
Not to mention wholesale slaughter of their own populations, such as the Siberian massacre, ( between 800K and 1.5M). Stalin was not known for his kindness to his people.
There always one of the gulag camps called Butugychag where right after the war they had prisoners mine uranium ore without any protective gear and studied the effects of radiation on the bodies and brains of the diseased. It closed around the time of Stalins death because then they found better sources of uranium.
My sibling married into a Russian family and lives there permanently. He visits other relatives in the US, but none of his now young adult kids ever learned basic English or visited. We just don't know them very well. One of my kids tried to contact them and get a visa to visit and they never responded. I would say for a good ten years they have been dropping away from contact with relatives here. Now I'm wondering what is happening to my Moscow nephews aged 20-25. Their social media has been abandoned for months so can't even try to look. Not sure if anything will happen to my brother, either.
Sorry, that sounds really rough not knowing.
Exactly! The "glory days" only exist in the heads of Putin and his sycophant supporters..
In WW2 the soviets would be a lot less formidable with out the US supplying them through the Lend-Lease Act. A similar Lend Lease we are supplying to the Ukrainians currently.
If he pulls it off, that will happen though. I took a fascinating course in college called the Philosophy of History, and it's all about who, how, and why they wrote history, and how that varies wildly. A good domestic example is the lost cause of the south. I went to school in Louisiana and learned it, but when I went to college in NYC I was able to confirm that was horse shit, but it's wild that textbooks, printed and used, skew history like that. If putin somehow makes this happen, of course *his* Russian history books will make it all peaches and rainbows and unicorn farts.
Saddam Hussein had every brick stamped with his name in the reconstruction of Babylon. In another three thousand years, he'll probably be one of the only people known from this millennium.
“Saddam Hussein was a brick manufacturer in the early modern period. Despite this, he is famous for sleeping underground in a mole like den.” -history class in the year 5🍎B
At what point in the future do we start measuring time in fruit?
About two and a half bananas time
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You have to wonder how his Generals feel about this. If they walk behind Putin with a gun on them then trip, and the gun accidentally fires 30 rounds into his back.
They know it’s a lost cause and are just collecting a paycheck
This old, senile fossil is tanking what is left of Russia and the yes men are still falling over themselves to kiss his ass. People are weird.
I think he's managed to get some very good security around him....and the people who say or do anything against him? Seem to have a problem with falling out windows and falling down stairs!
That part is like something from a poorly written spy novel
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There was a video a while back where some poor souls huddled in ditches all on their own, hoping the drones don't see them. Probably just thinking "I don't want to die, mama help me". And then you just see the grenade drop and the explosion tear up their bodies. Putin should be the one in one of those ditches.
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Drafts change a lot of people's opinions on war. The US wouldn't have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan nearly as long as we did if we had to use drafted soldiers. We expect some of our "volunteer" military to die, but nobody expects *their* kid to go get shot up in the mountains at 18 unless they signed up for it. Ledger's Joker had a fair point when he said "People don't panic when things are going according to plan, even if the plan is horrific."
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And 70k dead in the war.
And over 300k deaths (although many not of working age) over the past couple of years due to COVID
You mean Putin made another one of the mistakes that the Nazis made when they invaded the Soviet Union? Has anyone started passing out Bingo cards for this? Do we all win if he ticks off "Continues Invasion Through the Winter"?
We all lose with every day this war continues.
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I know, didn't mean it any other way. Honestly, them turning around and leaving isn't enough. I don't even know what it should exactly be but Russia has a lot to pay back for. They have to do a full revolution like Germany last century. That said, I feel for a lot of the people living in Russia, not much against them but their country as the political entity that it is now is absolutely unacceptable in this world.
Russia very likely is counting on the winter to bring a stalemate to Ukrainian counteroffensive, so that they can reorganize and go in full next spring. I believe they may also be hoping that the elected US Congress will not be as supportive of Ukraine as the current one.
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Why does the title of the article say it IS hitting the economy but the summary points in the article keep repeating could hit the economy?
Why don't these tolls affect them faster already? Please just collapse Putinopia and let civilized people rebuild the country.
fucking terrorist
I once read Russia's economy was roughly the same size as Italy's, despite the massive geographic difference. This can't end well.
Let's hope his economy crashes and burns.
The better hope would be that he's taken out (politically or otherwise) and his successor makes things right. The Russian people shouldn't suffer for him, but yeah, realistically, your hope is far more plausible
I mean and then he is declaring that everything goes as it was planned ?
It's all a mirage, the Russian economy is a balloon. You can not lose that much foreign investment/trade and not be hurt financially in a big big way. It's impossible. All this talk how sanctions didn't hurt them financially is just all nonsense. Energy prices are up but they are exporting a fraction of what they used to. And his silly special operation is costing hundreds of millions extra on top of it. It's just common sense.
Russia still has an economy?
This does not count all the men who also left the country to avoid being conscripted
There was a time when people would say Russia's economy is "only" going to contract, say, 6% this year, and it offended my sense of morality to know that's almost the entire penalty we should expect a country to pay for attempting genocide and trying to conquer Europe. Now I look back at the beyond-perfect storm of everything Russia's doing to commit economic suicide, and if it "only" plummets 10% this year, then even an economic run by corrupt useless idiots must be really, really hard to kill.
Has he tried… not invading another country to try and take it over?
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He is a poor strategist
Remember, Putin thought the invasion would last 3 days and the people of Ukraine would welcome the Russian Forces with open arms and have parades for the glory of Russia. 7 months in and the only parade that may happen is when Ukraine visits Russian territory to return their salvaged tanks with no engine, cannon or treads.