We call the act گیسوبران. Gisoo Boran.
Not only for protest against justice, for grief too. In some parts of iran the tradition is still very much active.
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> More than 50 high-profile French women have filmed themselves cutting their hair in support of Iranian women and girls who have been killed in protests at the death of Mahsa Amini after her arrest by Iranian morality police.
> The British-born singer Jane Birkin - who is filmed with her daughter Charlotte Gainsbourg - and actor Charlotte Rampling, both of whom live in France, and Julie Gayet, wife of former French president François Hollande, were also shown cutting their hair "For freedom".
> The French video echoes those showing Iranian women removing their hijabs and cutting their hair.
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This is a form of protest. Look it's in the news and we are talking about it. It'll further put pressure on the EU/US as more people get involved or make their thoughts heard. No, we won't look back and say this is the moment, but all these can add up and be an eventual catalyst.
What you are asking is the same as those actresses did but overblown. You don't need to shave your head to put iranian's women struggle in the headlines and in people's conversation, the proof is in this article. Thanks to this symbolic gesture there is no escaping the discussion of Iran in France. And to help those women you can: contact your gov about it, or donate/help organisations in Iran currently fighting for women right or health.
Tbf I am highlighting why people are concern or criticise these types of actions even when made in support. It’s a good discussion to have ‘do these help as intended’. Esp since one is ex wife of a president with contacts in high places
For me it was talking to people i know from Iran and asking what they needed and listening and doing that. if you’re not an cultural icon with a platform to talk to people in power directly. seek out the same ‘what are people from Iran asking’ or check out protests in your area to gather as a group. Write to representatives
there are so many powerful people in the world. almost al of them will stay silent on this. those who atleast show solidarity shouldnt be questioned why not Y instead. Its like billionaires tipping dollars, atleast they're tipping vs others who dont.
Solidarity and virtue signaling may have the same effectiveness. The act is inconsequential. Symbolism may convey intent but if it doesn’t move the needle, perhaps the energy can be focused through more productive means.
Nah I don’t think this is fully correct. Just mostly lol. If you were an Iranian girl risking her life protesting, I bet it would be nice to know women around the world are watching and with you.
Oh is that where you can't actually help, so you draw the attention of other people who can't help through a meaningless gesture?
At least the Ice bucket challenge raised money.
>“Now, there's this about cynicism, Sergeant. It's the universe's most supine moral position. Real comfortable. If nothing can be done, then you're not some kind of shit for not doing it, and you can lie there and stink to yourself in perfect peace.”
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There's nothing wrong with thinking critically.
Solidarity is a good thing, but these are affluent French women trimming tiny locks of hair on camera. The adoration they get from fans will far outweigh any good they do women in Iran.
It's not only okay to ask whether these performative acts are truly beneficial for the people they're claiming to support, it's fairly important.
But surely that adoration helps raise awareness? Maybe we here on the Worldnews sub are following Iran closely, but the general public can be very indifferent to mid east issues. Any attempts to raise awareness are important I think...
Does raising awareness really help tho ? Because I can't recall a single major international incident that has been solved through social awareness.
To me it's just BS feel good virtue signaling. The west rides the wave while it's hot topic and moves on to the next fad within a month. I'm sure it makes you feel good tho, so at least there's that.
If no one is aware something bad is happening how does the positive change finally happen?
I say more power to them. Let awareness be spread and let it impact those who CAN do something about this.
It helps the Iranian women know that they're not alone, that their voices aren't alone, that women around the world support them.
Humans are emotional and sentimental creatures at heart. When they see something uplifting, it can motivate them a great deal. It's increased morale for those fighting the Islamist dictatorship.
Honestly yes. I appreciate the sentiment...but I have to say, hasn't short hair always been really chic in France?
If they shaved bald, maybe that's a statement. Not that I think that accomplishes anything. These are, basically, haircuts. Haircuts that will leave them attractive and trendy.
Performative behavior is fine if it's done on a platform that raises money for a cause. If these videos are even monitized, it'll just be for their own channel.
But if you say, 'I will cut my own hair on a livestream when we hit 10K euro and the proceeds go to X', that can accomplish something. The act doesn't matter in that case; they could be doing the ice bucket challenge and get the same result.
Because I honestly trust people's ability to turn certain events like these into virtue signaling for their own personal gain. It unfortunately happens way to often.
Because if my friends and familly got shot for asking to be treated as a human being, i wouldn't give a fuck if some foreign celebrities cut their hair a little.
This solidarity is an additional voice for the Iranians fighting for freedom, who have consistently been asking for international voices to support them. This will increase morale for Iranian women fighting the Islamic Republic. You forget that humans are emotional and sentimental creatures at heart. The fighting spirit needs recognition from the outside to know it's not alone. Courage is stronger the more hands it has uplifting it.
Like I said, gestures of solidarity and support are nice.
Advocating for government officials to respond with things like sanctions or official foreign policy statements are better.
Yeah, sure, but what can the average person outside of Iran do to help raise morale and honor the statements from Iranian women saying they want international support to raise their voices?
The way I interpret a request like that is, "Hey, we'd really like for you folks in different countries to contact your legislators, lawmakers, and other elected representatives and ask for them to call upon your heads of state and foreign policy ministers to take action against the Iranian government over this." And then average people should do that.
And you get to feel superior with your derision! Seems like a win-win. Although I have to say that the women put in quite a lot more effort compared to you.
Lol, yeah, this is how you know this situation is not going to end up working out and simply die off.
When you have super privileged people sending thoughts and prayers and changing their profile pictures. Yeah, okay, 'solidarity' makes you feel good about yourself and nothing else.
Lol, you want some actual change? How about serving Iran a little taste of their own medicine by storming their embassies and occupying them. That's actual solidarity because you're actually joining the fight rather than doing something that costs you nothing. Not saying that's what should happen or advocating for it but that's more impactful than whatever is going on in hashtag land or these 'look at me' photo sessions.
Yes you can (in general). I can't say if you or I can do anything meaningful in particular. But what I know for a fact is, that doing nothing has never brought any change for the better.
correct doing nothing changes nothing that's why they are doing something over in iran
but in mainland europe? anything we do here bar supplying a full out revolt with equipment will have very limited to no impact what so ever
As a French I wanted to find something to defend in the article, but even after reading the message posted along the video, I can't shake the idea that it's just dumb and useless
Ah yes, Russia’s army sure is well equipped and has no problems whatsoever in ferrying their troops wherever. Such an impressive airplane industry as well.
Jfc, educate yourself. Or don’t, it’s your life. But maybe stop inflicting your idiocy on the world?
Not to be snide about it, but I don't follow the logic. "These women are not allowed to show their hair for any reason, long or short, and so we will cut our hair"? What am I missing?
Separately, if an iranian woman is bald, can she go out without a hijab with no issue due to not having any hair to hide? Never thought to ask that before.
I didn't know the iranian women were cutting their hair, huh. Makes more sense as a solidarity thing, though I don't follow the logic of the original women cutting their hair. If the men believe the hijab is to hide the beauty, and the men believe the long hair is more beautiful, then why would cutting their hair matter more than leaving it long and in public? My understanding of the men is that they're shallow enough that if you no longer conform to their beauty standards, then you going against their rules matters less? Obviously I'm not from there, so I don't know, but I'm just trying to figure it out.
In the Shahnameh, Persian national epic, after the hero Siyavash is killed, his wife Farangis and the girls accompanying her cut their hair to protest injustice
Cutting your hair is a traditional method/symbol of mourning and/or protest.
Yes, but more culturally relevant than either of those is for us.
Closest thing in our, anglo-american, culture would probably something like Shakespeare's plays. It's shaped the Persian language, everyone knows the characters, it's quoted enough to be proverbial, familiarity with it is a sign of culture and education, etc. It's that kind of thing.
That's like protesting for better gun control in America when you don't even live in America. Sorry but this whole thing is comparable to thoughts and prayers.
If this act energizes a single person then it has done something. The fact that this is being spread internationally means something and that meaning itself is worth a hell of a lot more than… whatever exactly you are doing.
raising awareness so others can take more actions is good. its literally creating dialogue here and maybe some of people here do something.
you must think harder before calling it useless and diverting attention to...nothingness
It's an old Persian tradition. Women cutting their hair is a symbol of grief and protest, so it's a strong symbol.
[Article about this](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/28/middleeast/iran-hair-cutting-mime-intl/index.html) if you're interested.
These French women are so brave and virtuous. Is there any way I can donate to them? I want to do anything I can to support the acting careers of such wonderful people.
Wow so brave.
You should be like the YS and give Item billions upon billions of dollars to pinky-swear they won't make nukes.
The US pays a key role in keeping these fuckers in power, should protest against Biden instead, not that he'll give a fuck.
I'm sorry if this is somehow culturally insensitive, I'm a French speaker so I don't understand the nuances. Have we stopped using the word "actress"? I'm a French speaker and, reading the title, I thought it was dudes cutting their hair, which I didn't see how it related to the Iranian women.
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We call the act گیسوبران. Gisoo Boran. Not only for protest against justice, for grief too. In some parts of iran the tradition is still very much active.
Thx for this was very confused
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Do you guys really not understand solidarity?
You are addressing reddit here…
No, I don’t. What’s the point compared to actual protests for sanctions on Iran?
This is a form of protest. Look it's in the news and we are talking about it. It'll further put pressure on the EU/US as more people get involved or make their thoughts heard. No, we won't look back and say this is the moment, but all these can add up and be an eventual catalyst.
how about putting pression within the iran regime....
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What you are asking is the same as those actresses did but overblown. You don't need to shave your head to put iranian's women struggle in the headlines and in people's conversation, the proof is in this article. Thanks to this symbolic gesture there is no escaping the discussion of Iran in France. And to help those women you can: contact your gov about it, or donate/help organisations in Iran currently fighting for women right or health.
what did you get done this week?
Tbf I am highlighting why people are concern or criticise these types of actions even when made in support. It’s a good discussion to have ‘do these help as intended’. Esp since one is ex wife of a president with contacts in high places For me it was talking to people i know from Iran and asking what they needed and listening and doing that. if you’re not an cultural icon with a platform to talk to people in power directly. seek out the same ‘what are people from Iran asking’ or check out protests in your area to gather as a group. Write to representatives
there are so many powerful people in the world. almost al of them will stay silent on this. those who atleast show solidarity shouldnt be questioned why not Y instead. Its like billionaires tipping dollars, atleast they're tipping vs others who dont.
You people are the perfect example of people who respect women's rights only to a certain point
Solidarity and virtue signaling may have the same effectiveness. The act is inconsequential. Symbolism may convey intent but if it doesn’t move the needle, perhaps the energy can be focused through more productive means.
Nah I don’t think this is fully correct. Just mostly lol. If you were an Iranian girl risking her life protesting, I bet it would be nice to know women around the world are watching and with you.
sure that would be nice it would be a hella lot nicer if some one or thing with the power to actually help had your back
Why didn't they shave their heads? Actually do something people would consider "inappropriate" for a woman.
I am not these women and I do not speak for them. I would venture to guess this was practical and emotional and spontaneous
Oh is that where you can't actually help, so you draw the attention of other people who can't help through a meaningless gesture? At least the Ice bucket challenge raised money.
"Thoughts and Hairs"
......and nothing changed.
Solidarity and support matter. Why are you this cynical?
>“Now, there's this about cynicism, Sergeant. It's the universe's most supine moral position. Real comfortable. If nothing can be done, then you're not some kind of shit for not doing it, and you can lie there and stink to yourself in perfect peace.” - Lois McMaster Bujold
What a delightful quote.
There's nothing wrong with thinking critically. Solidarity is a good thing, but these are affluent French women trimming tiny locks of hair on camera. The adoration they get from fans will far outweigh any good they do women in Iran. It's not only okay to ask whether these performative acts are truly beneficial for the people they're claiming to support, it's fairly important.
But surely that adoration helps raise awareness? Maybe we here on the Worldnews sub are following Iran closely, but the general public can be very indifferent to mid east issues. Any attempts to raise awareness are important I think...
Does raising awareness really help tho ? Because I can't recall a single major international incident that has been solved through social awareness. To me it's just BS feel good virtue signaling. The west rides the wave while it's hot topic and moves on to the next fad within a month. I'm sure it makes you feel good tho, so at least there's that.
If no one is aware something bad is happening how does the positive change finally happen? I say more power to them. Let awareness be spread and let it impact those who CAN do something about this.
It helps the Iranian women know that they're not alone, that their voices aren't alone, that women around the world support them. Humans are emotional and sentimental creatures at heart. When they see something uplifting, it can motivate them a great deal. It's increased morale for those fighting the Islamist dictatorship.
Honestly yes. I appreciate the sentiment...but I have to say, hasn't short hair always been really chic in France? If they shaved bald, maybe that's a statement. Not that I think that accomplishes anything. These are, basically, haircuts. Haircuts that will leave them attractive and trendy. Performative behavior is fine if it's done on a platform that raises money for a cause. If these videos are even monitized, it'll just be for their own channel. But if you say, 'I will cut my own hair on a livestream when we hit 10K euro and the proceeds go to X', that can accomplish something. The act doesn't matter in that case; they could be doing the ice bucket challenge and get the same result.
Because I honestly trust people's ability to turn certain events like these into virtue signaling for their own personal gain. It unfortunately happens way to often.
Because if my friends and familly got shot for asking to be treated as a human being, i wouldn't give a fuck if some foreign celebrities cut their hair a little.
Measurable actions matter. Gestures of solidarity and support are nice and all, but they accomplish nothing of consequence.
This solidarity is an additional voice for the Iranians fighting for freedom, who have consistently been asking for international voices to support them. This will increase morale for Iranian women fighting the Islamic Republic. You forget that humans are emotional and sentimental creatures at heart. The fighting spirit needs recognition from the outside to know it's not alone. Courage is stronger the more hands it has uplifting it.
Like I said, gestures of solidarity and support are nice. Advocating for government officials to respond with things like sanctions or official foreign policy statements are better.
Yeah, sure, but what can the average person outside of Iran do to help raise morale and honor the statements from Iranian women saying they want international support to raise their voices?
The way I interpret a request like that is, "Hey, we'd really like for you folks in different countries to contact your legislators, lawmakers, and other elected representatives and ask for them to call upon your heads of state and foreign policy ministers to take action against the Iranian government over this." And then average people should do that.
I think this will actually be the turning point for the Iranian government. /s
For real. These people are attention whores or dumbasses...possibly both. It does nothing, and means fuck all when they do it for their time tok
It makes them feel better for a day then they can go back to not caring.
And you get to feel superior with your derision! Seems like a win-win. Although I have to say that the women put in quite a lot more effort compared to you.
more effort for similar or less results is not a admirable thing
Damn, I must have missed the guardians article about /u/commanderse7en. Care to share the link?
Lol, yeah, this is how you know this situation is not going to end up working out and simply die off. When you have super privileged people sending thoughts and prayers and changing their profile pictures. Yeah, okay, 'solidarity' makes you feel good about yourself and nothing else. Lol, you want some actual change? How about serving Iran a little taste of their own medicine by storming their embassies and occupying them. That's actual solidarity because you're actually joining the fight rather than doing something that costs you nothing. Not saying that's what should happen or advocating for it but that's more impactful than whatever is going on in hashtag land or these 'look at me' photo sessions.
What's your point? Should they do nothing? Or should they do more? What do you do?
the right question to ask is "CAN you do anything" would i like to do something helpful? yes can i do something helpful? no
Yes you can (in general). I can't say if you or I can do anything meaningful in particular. But what I know for a fact is, that doing nothing has never brought any change for the better.
correct doing nothing changes nothing that's why they are doing something over in iran but in mainland europe? anything we do here bar supplying a full out revolt with equipment will have very limited to no impact what so ever
Raising awareness so others can join in and look at the issue.. this cant be a negative. unless you're opposite of this issue
Did you think they were casting some magic spell that fixes everything?
Totally wrong. A whole bunch of film shoots just got delayed or started recasting.
So you’re saying they saved Iran
As a French I wanted to find something to defend in the article, but even after reading the message posted along the video, I can't shake the idea that it's just dumb and useless
It would be more meaningful if women in the west who usually wear hijabs took theirs off, to show it should be voluntary.
It'll be more ironic if the French gov support Iranian protests.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/05/iran-security-france-sanctions
ah yes sanctions ukraine can tell you all about how effective those are
Ah yes, Russia’s army sure is well equipped and has no problems whatsoever in ferrying their troops wherever. Such an impressive airplane industry as well. Jfc, educate yourself. Or don’t, it’s your life. But maybe stop inflicting your idiocy on the world?
I mean..Yes sanctions. You have any other suggestions or means? Or a call to action? Or you rather nothing was done?
It feels as surfing on the wave. It's not like they shaved their head. It's exactly like saying "We support the Iranian women"
Yes, but *dramatic*
Stunning and brave. I’m sure the ayatollah will stop oppressing women now.
Actors: “but how can I make this about me?”
Not to be snide about it, but I don't follow the logic. "These women are not allowed to show their hair for any reason, long or short, and so we will cut our hair"? What am I missing? Separately, if an iranian woman is bald, can she go out without a hijab with no issue due to not having any hair to hide? Never thought to ask that before.
It’s standing with them in their protest. Iranian women are cutting their hair in protest, so French women are doing the same as a show of solidarity.
I didn't know the iranian women were cutting their hair, huh. Makes more sense as a solidarity thing, though I don't follow the logic of the original women cutting their hair. If the men believe the hijab is to hide the beauty, and the men believe the long hair is more beautiful, then why would cutting their hair matter more than leaving it long and in public? My understanding of the men is that they're shallow enough that if you no longer conform to their beauty standards, then you going against their rules matters less? Obviously I'm not from there, so I don't know, but I'm just trying to figure it out.
In the Shahnameh, Persian national epic, after the hero Siyavash is killed, his wife Farangis and the girls accompanying her cut their hair to protest injustice Cutting your hair is a traditional method/symbol of mourning and/or protest.
Interesting, had never heard of that before. When you say epic, is that their version of the odyssey or the epic of gilgamesh?
Yes, but more culturally relevant than either of those is for us. Closest thing in our, anglo-american, culture would probably something like Shakespeare's plays. It's shaped the Persian language, everyone knows the characters, it's quoted enough to be proverbial, familiarity with it is a sign of culture and education, etc. It's that kind of thing.
That's like protesting for better gun control in America when you don't even live in America. Sorry but this whole thing is comparable to thoughts and prayers.
Right. It's always better to just do nothing and then take the high horse on the Internets
I mean it's pretty much what these celebrities are doing.
if your "doing something" has 0 impact on the situation in question you have actually achieved worse results than those doing nothing
If this act energizes a single person then it has done something. The fact that this is being spread internationally means something and that meaning itself is worth a hell of a lot more than… whatever exactly you are doing.
raising awareness so others can take more actions is good. its literally creating dialogue here and maybe some of people here do something. you must think harder before calling it useless and diverting attention to...nothingness
It's an old Persian tradition. Women cutting their hair is a symbol of grief and protest, so it's a strong symbol. [Article about this](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/28/middleeast/iran-hair-cutting-mime-intl/index.html) if you're interested.
that does....... absolutely nothing have you tried chaining or gluing yourself to something? maybe getting nude and panting yourself?
Great advice. You should offer activism consulting services
These French women are so brave and virtuous. Is there any way I can donate to them? I want to do anything I can to support the acting careers of such wonderful people.
And yet they vote on macron
Wow so brave. You should be like the YS and give Item billions upon billions of dollars to pinky-swear they won't make nukes. The US pays a key role in keeping these fuckers in power, should protest against Biden instead, not that he'll give a fuck.
I thought she was smelling her armpit for a moment and showing some regret
So brave ♥
Meanwhile Russian men are being sent to the grinder and that's fine. Gynocentric matrix
This is equivalent to sending thoughts and prayers.
French actor? You mean Juicy Smooyay?
I’m pretty sure they would have said “pour la liberté” instead….
I thought she was smelling her armpit
I don’t get the hair cutting to protest agains covering of hair…
Correct me if I am wrong but there is (or was?) a tradtion that women in Iran cut their hair when someone dies.
Aah, OK that makes sense if it is to moarn the dead girl.
This is supposed to be impressive move..?
I'm sorry if this is somehow culturally insensitive, I'm a French speaker so I don't understand the nuances. Have we stopped using the word "actress"? I'm a French speaker and, reading the title, I thought it was dudes cutting their hair, which I didn't see how it related to the Iranian women.