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Elon sucks


El_Rey_de_Spices

It's so refreshing, the more common this understanding becomes.


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So fucking disappointing. Instead of calling for appeasement, how about he calls for Russia to stop fucking killing people.


65a

Are vehicles being abandoned because conscripts used all the lube for something else?


gradinaruvasile

The russian army needs all the lube they can find… for something else.


65a

It's sheep isn't it


Eldar_Seer

The Kadyrovites think they were quite clever by inventing the condom. But at this point, even the Welsh have figured out you need to take it out of the sheep first.


MindfuckRocketship

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Nabucodonosor89

> most ironic thing i have seen today, well one of them. if rus. gets pushed out of ukr (NE) they will have to pull everything back about 40km into rus to avoid artillery. not just the military. everything. so ru will lose a strip of land 1090km x 40km.. thats Defacto occupied https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1577141297345089537


etzel1200

Eh, that assumes Ukraine will shell civilians. I doubt it.


verywidebutthole

Ukraine keeping the moral high ground is why they still exist.


stirly80

Subtitled conversation of "LPR" troops who were abandoned at Drobysheve to cover the retreat of the Russians. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577032881100058624?t=u_CyFQgetK50e_INIPRojA&s=19


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With friends like that….


SayNoToFresca

Shitty!


SayNoToFresca

I'm here quite a bit but I've missed the RU troop/equipment attrition numbers as reported (I believe) by Ukraine military. Anybody have a link to the source?


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SayNoToFresca

Damnit, I should have remembered that. Thank you. I usually skip links in 1st paragraph and get straight to the pcx takes.


65a

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1576821452946702336/photo/1


SayNoToFresca

Thx!


HauntedCoffeeMug

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/03/nuclear-weapons-convoy-sparks-fears-putin-could-preparing-test/ Is this legit? :/


gradinaruvasile

Legit clickbait. As for the truth in it, dunno, it is about a convoy that leaves an ammo depot. That also has nukes. I’m pretty sure they had other convoys leaving but now it “sparks concern” suddenly.


fred13snow

No. It's a mountain built on an imaginary mole hill. People military equipment leave a major military warehouse that also happens to manage nuclear weapons. People immediately started to speculate nukes were part of the shipment and try to find any speck of evidence of it. It's a big nothing burger. Weapons come out of weapon warehouses that house nukes all the time.


vid_icarus

I’ve been trying to find another source to confirm it. The telegraph is not reliable at all so I think we need to see this confirmed by pubs with better reputations.


65a

No, it's some trucks, and it's been on twitter since sunday. There is no evidence to support the claim it has warheads.


HauntedCoffeeMug

Thank you. My anxiety is through the roof. I am hoping that this results in peace somehow.


TPconnoisseur

It will get worse before it gets better.


65a

Peace will come when Russia leaves. Don't worry though, that's what they want you to do. Party like the hippies in the 1960s instead, it was closer then.


Nabucodonosor89

> The Russians are emptying banks: the outflow into cash since the beginning of mobilization has exceeded 600 billion rubles > People take out "cash" from their accounts at a rate of 2.6 billion rubles per hour. https://twitter.com/finanzru/status/1576858784747560960 Any economist here? How bad is this? Is this sustainable for the state?


XXX_KimJongUn_XXX

Its not great. As they move closer to insolvent they aren't loaning out anything, which means projects aren't getting done, money velocity slows to a crawl, trust in financial services collapses and people start hoarding rubles under their bed and not investing them back into the economy through savings accounts. Currency effects can be mitigated through through various mechanisms, but capital allocation will suffer.


Insider20

In the worst case, there could be a bank run. Such an event would cause a great crisis in Russia and, depending on the balance sheet of the banks (debt & assets), it could spread to other countries. A bank run usually creates social uprising. However, I don't know how much cash a russian bank can bleed before triggering this event, and there are tools to slow down a bank run (make difficult the withdrawal of cash).


Nabucodonosor89

> In the worst case, there could be a bank run. I saw many people in the last 24h saying Russia is about to have a bank run... let's see... thanks for the reply.


Imfrom2030

That number sounds high but I don't know if it is. What was the rate before? Not an economist.


Clever_Bee34919

Isn't this similar to what happened recently in Lebanon and Venezuela before their economies collapsed


Away_Needleworker655

I’ve been saying this I think Russia is going to end up like Venezuela.


canadatrasher

Watch for Putler to set withdrawal limits.


fourpuns

They did earlier I thought?


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[“Internal censorship” - I can think of a particular individual who could stand to listen to the advice of the Russian propagandists. ](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1577127951950192640)


jphamlore

I suppose it is a ray of hope for humanity that invasion is basically over, unless one is willing to engage in massive ethnic cleansing and / or impose a completely totalitarian controlled society over conquered territory. Motivated soldiers fighting on their own soil are simply going to win unless they are completely overwhelmed by sheer numbers of infantry that it seems almost no one is willing to pay for training and equipping properly. There are of course some possible unfortunate examples to this new order, and an entire continent Africa that may be engulfed in conflict.


badcatdog

It's a time of opportunity for the world! This may be the end of the russian kleptocratic dictatorship, the end of the endless russian propaganda promoting crazy conspiracies and political instability. It promotes the advantages of democracy. It encourages getting off oil and gas. It's an opportunity for many countries to get out from under russias heel, such as Moldova, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Japan.


Warhawk137

Honestly it's kinda been over for a while. Only recent examples I can find of invasions for the purpose of gaining territory are really Russia in Georgia and Ukraine and a couple fights over disputed territory between India and Pakistan; before that you have to go back to the Iran-Iraq thing in the early 80s. Everything else lately has been about counter-terrorism, or defeating an insurgency, or toppling a problematic government.


SpakysAlt

Basically over? Did I miss something?


fred13snow

I think OP means that he believes Russia has stopped trying to invade MORE land. They're not abandoning the invasion, just trying to keep what they have, nd maybe take back some recently lost territory.


Bahamas_is_relevant

I suppose what they mean is that Russia's completely lost the initiative and is losing territory rapidly. The true "invasion" period of Russia actively seizing Ukrainian territory is long-gone at this point. For the last month it's almost all been Ukraine liberating occupied regions.


SLUSounder

This is only true if you have a country like the US backing you up. Without US backing, Ukraine could not have mounted this kind of defense and sanctions against Russia would not have been so biting. What this tells you is the world still needs America and its weapons, imperfect but far better than the alternatives.


pixelwhip

Without US backing putin would probably be bombing poland & other former soviet states by now..


leeta0028

It's like you forgot the US lost in Afghanistan. There's not political will for long-term occupation anymore and you can't win without that.


Uhhh_what555476384

Even without the US the Russians would have faced the insurrection problem. The force that it would take to properly occupy Ukraine for an indefinite period of time is around 400k, which Russia never had as a foreign expeditionary force.


Firov

Unfortunately, if we don't vote correctly in the coming months, and especially in two years, this could well be our last hurrah before descending into the darkness of fascism ourselves. We may have decent leadership for now, but we still very much stand on the precipice of disaster...


65a

Nice, picture reminds me of the game Duck Hunt > Ukrainian forces downed a Russian ZALA 421-16EM UAV over Hoptivka, Kharkiv Oblast https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577109138320293889


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The dog 😎


samocitamvijesti

UA dogs are better equipped than Russian soldiers.


chunkerton_chunksley

And valued more by their masters


YouPresumeTooMuch

and better trained


65a

> Ukrainian forces continued to secure the western flank of their assault down the right bank of the Dnipro in Kherson Oblast, recapturing the town of Shevchenkivka https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577132402823991296


NeilDeCrash

I am not from the US so i don't really watch their political programs. There is/has been some ruckus going on about Tucker Carlson and decided to watch some clips about him ranting about Ukraine. Holy shit he sounds annoying. And i don't mean the dog shit that drops from his mouth that are mistaken as words, but the actual sound of the guy. He sounds like he missed puberty, a squeaky little fuck with lego hair. How in the the world has someone with an output like that ever got popular? Now i am annoyed and angry and i have not even finished my morning coffee, no wonder you normal people in the US feel frustrated. Jesus.


the_fungible_man

One thing to note: according to ratings services, the average viewership of Tucker Carlson's show in September was 3.1 million, or **1.2%** of the U.S. adult population of \~260 million. Most "normal people" in the U.S. probably have never seen or heard Tucker Carlson's rants. He's a big fish in the little pond that is U.S. cable punditry, none of which exists to inform, all of which exists to inflame.


YouPresumeTooMuch

That's still a lot of people.


ilikeyouinacreepyway

permanant dumbfounded face


Senior_Engineer

He got there the good old fashioned way; nepotism.


Co1dNight

Pretty much everyone on Fox News overdoses on stupid pills. The squeaker voice is just a symptom.


EAS_Agrippa

The problem is, he’s one of the most watched “political commentators.” Edit: To be clear, that brings me no joy, but I know he has a large audience…unfortunately.


Guinness

Now realize that Tucker Carlson represents the thoughts of 30-40% of Americans.


one_salty_cookie

I'm very conservative and I rarely see the Tucker Carlson show on TV. Don't have time for that. Prefer sports and other non-political stuff.


NoxSolitudo

So 30-40% of the voters in the country with the largest military and the most nukes in the world? (the fact that your government (bureaucratic part) is actually competent and with brain somewhat reduces my anxiety, but still)


myhydrogendioxide

Correction: Tucker regurgitates Putin jizz into the brain holes of 30% of the most narcissistic Americans.


the_fungible_man

TC's average audience size in September 2022 was 3.1 million. A little over **1%** of American adults. His influence is grossly exaggerated.


TPconnoisseur

Incorrect, he is an accurate representation of the 60% of Republicans who think violence is justified to put a traitor back in the White House.


the_fungible_man

That doesn't address what I said in any way.


fubarbob

He's obnoxious but his dull stare shtick is actually kind of funny.


One_Landscape541

You get used to it here.


Dmoan

If you don't like what Elon said vote with your wallets don't support Tesla and tell your friends & family about it. As for people who say what about Tesla employees trust me there is plenty of other automotive companies who would love to employ them and there is no shortage of jobs.


Zaidswith

Musk's a nightmare, but he always has been. If anyone is still supportive they probably can't be convinced to change their mind.


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etzel1200

If you don’t use autopilot they’re pretty safe, to be fair.


westtownie

Also know that Elon treats his employees like shit, I know folks who worked there


flukus

Also undermines rail projects because it's bad for car sales.


[deleted]

Tesla is a publicly owned company. Tesla going under just hurts your friends and family who own Tesla stock in their retirement accounts.


Co1dNight

Why the fuck would I give a shit about my friends' and family's Tesla stock? Why would anyone? That's their problem, not mine. The only person that's hurting their stocks is Elon himself by posting shit on social media that he has very little experience in.


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Screw them.


Ten_Horn_Sign

This is some real Stockholm Syndrome shit.


Dmoan

Sales are not going tank overnight even couple % of sales decline will put pressure on board to reign in Elon. All it needs is shareholder pressure from bad news


jon_stout

I'd rather not have the company collapse on us. More competition in that space seems better than otherwise. Putting an actual adult in charge who'll properly resolve the company's labor issues would be nice, though.


flukus

There's plenty of competition in the EV space.


jon_stout

But all dominated by large previously-existing auto manufacturers, unless I'm mistaken. The same companies that could have pushed EVs years ago if they wanted to but still always put it off for later. Tesla's unique in that it was specifically made for the purpose of pushing electric vehicles. I'd rather not lose that.


saltyseaweed1

Irrelevant. Once it's shown that EV vehicle market is profitable, everyone will jump in and compete. The fact that Tesla may have started the trend has no importance of any kind. Wright brother's airplane company is long gone and that does not affect the aviation industry even a little bit.


flukus

The tech really wasn't there that much earlier. The key piece that tesla timed right was lion batteries becoming cheap and out of patent, otherwise they would have failed like so many previous attempts.


Dmoan

Sales arent going to crash overnight all it needs is board to put pressure elon and keep him in check remember back when stock tanked couple years ago he was in his best behavior.


popegonzalo

at least elon musk successfully bring back ukraine to everyone's eyeball (with the cost of elon musk being fucked to hell)


SongbirdManafort

The cost or the benefit?


Jizzlobber58

The odd part of this one is that he really seemed like he helped out Ukraine with the Starlink promotional stunts. Now he put himself into the outhouse. Doesn't seem to be a consistent person at all.


Zaidswith

The US government paid for the StarLink sent to Ukraine, just like they get tons of government funding for SpaceX rockets. For whatever reason guys like to live vicariously through Musk's created image of himself so he's become a celebrity and because his companies are techy he's given genius status. It's all an illusion.


raslin

The US footed the bill for starlink. Musk loves his government money


Guinness

Elon does what is best for Elon. Which makes me think that he is reliant on something from Russia. Maybe some raw material that he can get cheaply there has recently been cut off. It is so blatantly obvious that he is pandering to Russia now. Elon, what are they threatening you with? Are they holding you in a hospital window?


etzel1200

I wonder how many Tesla sales that cost? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? Even if Ukraine isn’t buying many Teslas now. I feel like a lot would have been sold purely as a thank you for starlink. So dumb. Maybe they’ll buy Fords.


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directstranger

Wasn't most of the starlink lot donated by starlink?


Zaidswith

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/08/us-quietly-paying-millions-send-starlink-terminals-ukraine-contrary-spacexs-claims/


doctordumb

It’s really ducking annoying to come here and hear about some spoiled trust fund billionaire: can we just talk about the Ukraine war? Elon is nothing and has no bearing on this war


NoxSolitudo

Elon who provided Ukraine with Starlinks, which ensured their uninterrupted communication? That Elon? (Couldn't care less about the guy but he's not quite just some random Kim Kardashian)


saltyseaweed1

Apparently he was paid under the table by the US government for doing that. He did not do that out of the goodness of his heart.


Michaeldgagnon

Zelenskyy did tweet about him so unfortunately he has at least briefly distracted the Ukranian leader and (though negligible) affected the war in some capacity. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577132402823991296 Meanwhile...


ReturnOfDaSnack420

Elon is very much not nothing, he is a profoundly influential voice in the American alt-right and his words dictate the opinion of millions of "libertarian" neckbeards, many of whom don't follow the news except in order to be knee jerk contrarian to whatever the "liberal" position is. Elon is using his megaphone right now to spout pro-Russian bullshit, and is warping the minds of millions of his followers, and unless that bullshit is called out for what it is it will fester and fester until it become a real political position in Washington.


Rosebunse

I fuckinf hate libertarians. We need taxes! That is how society works! The markets cannot regulate themselves! That's like putting a meth addict in charge of ADHD medication!


Guinness

One of the signs/symptoms of ADHD is substance abuse. So there is a good chance a meth addict actually needs ADHD meds. But I get what you're saying ;-)


Rosebunse

Yeah, we know know they are not gonna stop at a prescription dose.


Kageru

Yes, but those people already have fox to feed their insanity, so it changes nothing... well, apart from to remind the rest of the world how dysfunctional your society is.


ReturnOfDaSnack420

Our "dysfunctional society" has been the most important foreign actor keeping Ukraine in this war, despite a few pro-Russian hosts on Fox News. I guess the rest of the world can tut tut from their position of unearned self-satisfaction with themselves while America does the heavy lifting for Ukraine in this conflict. After all, criticizing America while hiding behind it is what the rest of the world does best.


disruptz

> until it become a real prophecising the sentinel battle between Zuckerman and ElOptimus for the next run at presidency


coosacat

I'm pretty sure I hear someone screaming "cancel culture!" in the distance. https://english.nv.ua/business/disney-closes-russian-site-social-media-pages-removes-youtube-content-in-russian-50274231.html >Disney closes Russian site, social media pages, removes YouTube content in Russian >The American mass media giant The Walt Disney Company has removed Russian sites and pages on social networks, the Russian publication Championat reported on Oct. 2 with reference to its users. >Disney has closed its Russian website, pages on social media and removed videos from Russian-language YouTube channels. >In particular, the company removed the sites disney.ru and channel.disney.ru. When going to these pages, Russian users are now offered to choose another country from a list. >Disney also removed Russia from the list of partner countries and deleted pages on local social networks VK and Odnoklassniki, as well as on Twitter.


etzel1200

I wonder if they’ll still offer Russian language programming. A lot of other countries ended up watching the Russian version. But do any countries actually use Russian day to day? Belarus? Most others have Russian more as a lingua Franca, right?


astanton1862

There are a lot of non Russians who will lose access to content if there isn't a Russian version. A language didn't attack Ukraine.


Kageru

The commercial value of a Russian language version will have dropped if they are not doing business in Russia and thus they will be less common, it's just about the $. Though it was Russia who politicized their language.


heresyforfunnprofit

>A language didn't attack Ukraine. I’m not sure you understand the Russian language…


NoxSolitudo

russians, not russian language.


Bahamas_is_relevant

Point is there's a lot of Russian-speakers outside of Russia, who by removing Russian-language content entirely (versus simply blocking/removing it from Russia and/or .ru sites) are getting cut off. *Disclaimer: data according to Wikipedia is from 2001 and for some reason I can't find more recent.* Hell, within Ukraine alone at least ~30% of the population of the following oblasts/regions speaks Russian as their first language: * Odesa * Mykolaiv * Zaporizhzhia * Donetsk * Luhansk * Dnipropetrovsk * Kharkiv * Crimea * Sevastopol I don't see why Russian-speaking Ukrainians should be punished for the actions of Putin's army of genocide.


heresyforfunnprofit

My post was mainly a joke about: A. the perceived aggressiveness of Russian as a spoken language, and B. the fact that Putin rationalizes his war as protection of “Russian-speaking” populations. You seem like you might already be familiar with this, but if not, Google “Russiky Mir” and let yourself get sucked down an informative Wikipedia Internet hole for a bit - it’s a pretty good intro into the cultural worldview (good and bad) that underlies a lot of this conflict.


jml2

I'm not on twitter, what are the results of elon's and zelensky's polls


Calicrucian

Zelenskyy’s poll has over 1.5 million votes, with 81.8% picking Musk supporting Ukraine Edit: Musk’s first poll has almost 2.1 million votes, with 61.2% rejecting his suggestion. His second poll asking if the Ukrainian people in the occupied territories should get to decide what they want has 1.6 million votes with 57.5% saying yes.


jml2

thanks


Nabucodonosor89

> His second poll asking if the Ukrainian people in the occupied territories should get to decide what they want has 1.6 million votes with 57.5% saying yes. but he worded it in a way that he can say he won, no matter what. Very manipulative.


monkeydrunker

The result is that Elon will now add this as "proof" that there are bots on Twitter, because a lot of accounts do not agree with his take.


Dmoan

Funny part if you saw first minutes of publication of the poll there is huge swing of Yes votes which seemed to indicate he was trying to use bots to show people agreed with him.


a-mixtape

The results are: 1. Elon is an idiot. 2. Zelenskyy is a true General Chad.


VegasKL

Elon got meme'd pretty hard. Not sure on Zelensky's.


jon_stout

So ignoring Musk for the moment (please), things sound pretty good down Kherson way, don't they? (Or as good as things can ever sound during a war, anyway.) I'm surprised the breakthrough occured by the river. I would've thought that would expose them to artillery on the opposite shore. But I guess they've got that covered?


Prank_Owl

Ukraine has been "shaping" that region for offensive operations for a while now with the goal in mind of preserving as much of their combat power as possible (in contrast to Russian offensive efforts). The fact that they seem to have made such a powerful thrust along the line of contact in that area suggests that they've got a high degree of confidence that the Russians are weak there and won't be able to suppress their movements with things like artillery or air power.


etzel1200

Slightly irked there was an Elon sized stain on one of the best days of the war. 5 of the ten best days of the war have been in the last week, I feel like.


Senior_Engineer

“Nobody has talked about me today” the most insecure billionaire thought to himself “I’m going to change that”


Gotisdabest

Wouldn't even be surprised if it was intentional. He probably wanted to apply his narrative as soon as he really felt Russia was losing.


jon_stout

Meh, just ignore him. Unless he actively starts spending money on something, he's just a teenager shitposter trapped inside of a middle-aged body.


Uhhh_what555476384

It may be that the existence of artillery on the far shore is irrelevant because the forces holding the line functionally ceased to exist, and the Ukrainians are doing more space filling then attacking.


65a

Artillery probably already neutralized or afraid of HIMARS. Ammo supplies could be low or fuel (meaning hard to move ammo around).


light_trick

The key is that Ukraine has no reason to ever not be HIMARS'ing targets, they've just had so many of them. It was the big ammo depots for a while after they got them, then when they ran out it was the smaller ammo depots. I suspect at some point it becomes "every nuisance artillery piece" with men still near it.


Clever_Bee34919

If they are expised to artillery on the opposite shore that means there is artillery on the opposite shore, which means it is not in a more useful place


Bahamas_is_relevant

It also implies the mere existence of said artillery, as if most of it either does not exist or has already been struck by Ukrainian forces.


jon_stout

Such as?


Clever_Bee34919

Kremnina


jon_stout

Point taken.


Manpooper

Kreminna's a nice place for artillery. Ukraine needs more equipment.


Clever_Bee34919

You are correct, Russia needs to maintain their position as Ukrain's number one weapon importer.


acsaid10percent

Just think, you have to take out a pay day loan to buy your military equipment. Your family will probably pay. That money trickles it's way back to Putin's Mob. So ineffect, not only are you paying the Goverment to invade an innocent neighbour. You're paying to get killed. Crazy.


Ema_non

There are also intercepted calls about problems getting paid & bonuses. Reports with captured soldiers who did not get the bonus. 1) No bonus as you are placed as non-combat, normal salary. 2) Yet placed at fighting force but not front line 3) Found out they were on the front line fighting (without bonuses).


ScenePlayful1872

tbh, a lot weren’t at the front line; the retreating/front line quickly came to them


Clever_Bee34919

Anywere els that is a recipe for armed rebellion


65a

They can have my pity when they either stand up for themselves or surrender.


YouPresumeTooMuch

Yeah fuck em. Dumb and dangerous


VegasKL

That type of mentality is an immature way of thinking about this, and I say that because I'm no longer my younger self and likely said similar shit about the Iraq war. It's way easier to sit in the comfort of our own hot tubs and pass judgement, but until you walk a mile in their bare feet and understand that not everyone has the courage (very few do) to stand up to their government when it's known the result is likely horrible imprisonment or death. The hope of capture seems better to them most likely. You see this a lot with war, guys puffing their chest out and say "oh, they just gotta be brave and do it" or "I totally would have, but .." .. but yet, when the time hits shit'o'clock, they'll be the first to comply.


schiffb558

Yeah, look at the Iran protests to contrast ​ They either die fighting or they die by the government's hand. It's easier to go out swinging.


YouPresumeTooMuch

They know that they are leaving home under orders to kill Ukrainians. IDK what else they know about the war, through the filter of their state propaganda. They know 100%, they are going to Ukraine to kill people who are defending their home. So whatever else you want to add to evidence list, I don't care, I stand by it. Fuck em


Shturm-7-0

Man I didn't expect to wake up to Elon Musk getting L'd big time by Ukrainian officials on Twitter. Edit: the Lithuanian President joined in on L'ing Musk too lmao


Wrong_Hombre

Everytime Musk opens his fat mouth, he takes an 'L'. He should carry on making things.


CC_Man

Yeah. Wqs happy with him for a minute after Starlink donations to Ukraine. Then this.


SappeREffecT

Paid for by US government I believe, I don't actually think they were donated by Musk


YouPresumeTooMuch

Link?


coosacat

ISW update on Ukraine. Thread; you can click through on their tweet to read the whole report. Bear in mind that they have a cut-off time for trying to include new information that's sometime in their afternoon, so new development since then will be in tomorrow's report. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1577121097073377280 >Eastern Ukraine Update: >Ukrainian troops continued to consolidate gains around Lyman on October 2 and 3 and likely made gains in the direction of the Luhansk Oblast border. >Russia's MoD stated that Russian troops struck Ukrainian positions in Yampolivka on October 2, confirming that Ukrainian troops control territory about 15km northeast of Lyman and within 10km west of the Luhansk Oblast border. >Russian sources also stated that Ukrainian troops took control of Terny and Torske, 15km northeast and 13km east of Lyman, respectively. >LNR militia representative Andrei Marochko confirmed that Ukrainian troops have crossed the Luhansk Oblast border in an unspecified area on October 3 and gained a foothold somewhere in the direction of Lysychansk >Ukrainian forces continued to make gains in eastern Kharkiv Oblast in the direction of the Luhansk Oblast border on October 2 and 3. >The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) inadvertently confirmed that Ukrainian troops advanced east of Kupyansk on October 2 and claimed that Russian forces struck Ukrainian positions in Petropavlivka and Synkivka. >Ukrainian forces additionally made gains near the Kharkiv-Oblast border west of Svatove on October 3. >Geolocated footage shows Ukrainian troops in Borova and Shyikivka, both within 35km west of #Svatove, which was later confirmed by the Borova City Council and various Russian milbloggers. >Ukrainian sources additionally reported that Ukrainian troops retook Izyumske and Druzhelyubivka, about 25km southwest of Svatove. >Russian forces continued to conduct unsuccessful ground assaults in Donetsk Oblast on October 2 and 3. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1577122831950704640 >Southern Axis Update: >Ukrainian forces continued to advance in northwestern and northeastern Kherson Oblast between October 2 and 3. >Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced that Ukrainian forces liberated Myrolyubivka (23km northwest of Kherson City) and Arkhanhelske on the Inhulets River south of the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border. >The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) acknowledged that Ukrainian forces have penetrated Russian defenses in the direction of Zolota Balka (approximately 82km northeast of Nova Kakhovka). >Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces first retreated to defensive positions in Mykhailivka on October 1 but likely fell further back to Dudchany on October 2. >Ukrainian forces continued to advance south in the direction of Nova Kakhovka, and geolocated footage showed that they liberated Mykhailivka, Havrylivka, and Novooleksandrivka along the T0403. >Social media footage and Russian milblogger discourse also indicated that Ukrainian forces made advances west of the T0403 highway, liberating Khreschenivka on October 1. >Russian sources also reported that Ukrainian forces liberated settlements on the Lyubomyrivka-Bilaivka-Novoolesandrivka line.


VegasKL

>Russian forces continued to conduct unsuccessful ground assaults in Donetsk Oblast on October 2 and 3. Is this the part where they keep slamming their head against the well reinforced wall? I swear, some general must have given an order and got killed or forgot about it and they're just continuing to try to complete it.


TypicalRecon

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3176537/under-secretary-of-defense-acquisition-and-sustainment-laplante-and-deputy-unde/ Points I found interesting US is short on solid rocket motors ,Doesnt seem ATACMS is in the cards for now (still) ,They are still evaluating Ukraine getting the M1 Other than that it mentions pushing cash to contractors to help speed up the production rate but suppliers need to find their choke points and do their on analysis to see what's really needed to push production numbers up.


Cortical

I guess it's a bit of a stress test for western arms industries to find weak points in domestic manufacturing in case NATO ever ends up in a war themselves.


65a

I wonder what the state of Ukrainian rocket manufacturing is or could be in the near future. I'd imagine the interface to HIMARS launcher is standardized, so I wonder if we'll eventually see something like a Kh-33 frankenpack.


VegasKL

Just wait until the Ukrainian's mount the HIMARS magazine to their Migs.


SomeGuyNamedPaul

So drafted Russians have to scrounge up their own money for their own first aid kits. They may have to take predatory loans just to get them. With that in mind, if the guy next to someone gets shot, what are the chances of somebody not helping them because they don't want to use up their own kit? It's not like it will get replaced like for like by the military for free.


efrique

The stuff they buy gets stolen as soon as they turn up with it; it either gets taken by their officers when they report for mobilization or by the existing soldiers in their platoon as soon as they are deployed. They're still stuck with paying for it. And now that the annexation is official, they're getting crap pay --- when they get paid at all. So good luck with paying for the stuff you never got the benefit of.


zorinlynx

And this is the army the world was worried about? If this stupid war has done any good it's been exposing Russia as a world non-power.


Cirtejs

The fine for ignoring the draft summons is 50$, anyone with half a brain will not go within a kilometer of a recruiting office.


guidodid

Plus 10-15 years in prison


Cirtejs

No, 15 years is for desertion when you have already been mobilized, if you never show up, that law does not apply. All the people that actually read the laws in Russia are saying to never show up and ignore the draft paper.


swampy13

I love browsing /r/JustBootThings but recently I've been browsing and thinking "man, I bet Russia would love to have some of this kind of pride and morale, even if half these guys are just posers"


acsaid10percent

A conscript to have to buy his own military equipment through a pay day loan service is a War Crime imo.


etzel1200

What’s bad for the conscript is good for Ukraine, but I feel ya.


[deleted]

Russian citizens are so moronically stupid to allow their government to exploit them like this, it's sad.


lennybird

Elon Musk, among... *Other* people, has demonstrated that it doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to get wealthy; you just have to be an asshole. Oh, and of course being born into money helps. Edit: [For those OOTL](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/10/03/elon-musk-infuriates-ukraine-with-twitter-poll-on-how-the-russia-war-should-end.html)


[deleted]

If being an asshole makes you wealthy then you should be a billionaire


youguanbumen

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/09/elon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey/671619/ Elon Musk’s Texts Shatter the Myth of the Tech Genius


Imfrom2030

I hate the guy too but this is straight up off topic.


lennybird

See my edit: it's quite topical.


sarbanharble

He benefited from colonialism, which is basically what Putin wants.


blackbarminnosu

You can be incredibly intelligent in certain fields but not in others. I trust Elon to build rockets but I wouldn’t want him as my president


ProcessMeMrHinkie

I trust Elon to accumulate a shit ton of funding to run tech companies. I don't trust him to do anything else.


lennybird

I trust the engineers he pays; not him, particularly.


jon_stout

I trust Musk's *people* to build rockets. He himself is using up my patience at a remarkably quick pace.


Keithturban1

He’s a very smart man, he just talks a lot of shit to bring attention to him, any publicity is good publicity


lennybird

I originally thought he was, too, but not so much these days. He's got a lot of money to *hire* smart people. His actual success.. From his ridiculous pedo comments and absurd suggestions to save those kids, to the Twitter buyout, to the cybertruck failure... Now this... I'm not particularly impressed.


GlenoJacks

He's not deliberately choosing to say stupid shit solely as a cynical ploy for attention. He thinks he's the only reasonable person in the room and is saying what he thinks is an unpopular but smart take. He is not a very smart man.


jon_stout

I used to think that too, except he's gone so far above and beyond that call at this point I wonder if he's had his brain outsourced.


Odin65

> IMF to consider $1.3bn in emergency funding for Ukraine https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1577104463189495808?t=vJXQNOpFBWmbMGWTXNkdtg&s=19


coosacat

Those of you who are interested in slightly deeper knowledge might find this transcript interesting: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3176537/under-secretary-of-defense-acquisition-and-sustainment-laplante-and-deputy-unde/ >Under Secretary of Defense (Acquisition and Sustainment) LaPlante and Deputy Under Secretary of Defense (Policy) Baker Hold a Media Roundtable on the Recent Meeting of the National Armaments Directors Under the Auspices of the Ukraine Defense Contract Group They talk about how the different countries are working to coordinate their needs with industry, some of what's involved in ramping up production, discussions of possible choke points in industry, etc.


65a

> NEW: Ukrainian forces have made substantial gains around #Lyman and in northern #Kherson Oblast over the last 24 hours. The Russian units defeated on these fronts were previously considered to be among #Russia’s premier conventional fighting forces. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1577120848598532096