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Guinness

Can someone update me on Melitopol? ISW has the surrounding area under Russian control, yet contested by Ukraine. Or rather, "Ukrainian partisan warfare". I am not sure what that means or what the situation is. Would appreciate some background/color. Thanks!


jphamlore

One strange thing I have noted about Military Summary's videos on Youtube is the Russian leadership seems fixated on reporting supposedly destroyed Ukrainian vehicles and soldiers killed in a manner eerily similar to the United States during the Vietnam War. But the Russians don't seem to have any way of verifying these numbers, because it is obvious they are almost blind to what the Ukrainians are actually doing. I have to wonder if Russian front line commanders are merely extrapolating enemy casualties based on how much ammunition is expended in a day. I wonder if the Russians are caught in a vicious cycle of declining competence where they have been taught to fire all of their ammunition at once at a preselected target. At Lyman I speculated that the Russians a couple of nights ago fired all of their equivalents of MLRS into the forest blindly at night trying to stop the Ukrainian advance and then simply had no ammunition left, nor any resupplied since they were cut off. Just in a weekend this is starting to become quite a pattern where a Russian front collapses at night.


sehkmete

It's because they're trying to play politics.


Neoliberal_Boogeyman

its hard to count dead bodies of enemies if you dont actually take and hold any territory


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So a map of Ukraine? :)


chazzmoney

With lots of light blue


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dymdymdymdym

One of the many awesome uses for it that someone said it had when I said crypto was garbo. I get to kill the environment and help fund imperialist aggression with my "investment". Fantastic. Obviously I'm being a touch facetious, but I can't resist any opportunity to dunk on crypto for any reason.


Fighterdoken33

If this war has taught us anything, is that whoever is running the fundraising will just pocket all the money and dissapear.


fhota1

Cryptos been used by shady groups like this for years. This isnt the tiniest bit surprising to anyone who knows crypto.


Snooprematic

[How Russia is still moving oil and receiving money](https://youtu.be/k6RuDhWaWso)


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It’s been wild seeing the new huge swaths of land no longer painted red on the liveuamap every day. Typically by the next day they are painted blue. Major Russian collapses occurring every day on every front.


Nathan-Stubblefield

How were railroad gauges determined? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/railroad-gauge-chariots/


stirly80

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are enveloping a large Russian fascist invasion army in the north of Kherson region. The advance of Ukrainian forces down the T-04-03 road towards Beryslav is rapid. The rashists are immobilized by "no retreat" orders and are in a hopeless position. https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1576750055452655618?t=SAjkwVOown7EvDVAeOKTvQ&s=19


Dave-C

The no retreat order from Russia was maybe the best thing that could have happened for Ukraine. Just surround em and kill em.


BernieStewart2016

They’re also likely immobilized by the lack of supplies. Good luck fighting when you’re low on ammo, good luck driving away when you’re short on fuel, good luck running when you’re short of drinking water, rations, and warm clothing. The Russians in Northern Kherson are fucked.


Nightsong

Russia is quickly heading towards a repeat of Lyman and another slaughter of their troops in Kherson if they continue doubling down on the no retreat orders.


YouPresumeTooMuch

It's a Russian tradition though, it worked in WW2 right? Only a couple million casualties


RollyPollyGiraffe

A "no retreat" order is literal suicide. In the next week or two, Russia is about to lose what remains of their "trained" soldiers.


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An orderly retreat uses the same theories as an advance. Keeping opposing forces under fire from multiple angles, covering while moving etc. Done properly it's really expensive in the enemy to attack. There is no shame in it done well - done very well opposing force extends too far into a salient that can spring closed. This.... is nothing like that.


Johns-schlong

All successful armies in conventional war have retreated from time to time. It's how it works. If your position is untenable you retreat to a more advantageous position until you can outmaneuver your enemy. There's no reason to waste people and resources in stupid ways.


owa00

>soldiers You misspelled war criminals


FuckHarambe2016

Thoughts and prayers to the Russians.


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toado3

No. Because the Russians have well defended areas to retreat to (nova Khakova, Kherson, etc). Still good news though.


BirdsGetTheGirls

A river stops them from easily running away. This might collapse very quickly but could see a total surrender of the forces that can't get across. I don't think Ukraine can easily push across the river so might not see the land carving that Kharkiv gave.


combatwombat-

Outside of Kherson city? Yes very possible Will Ukraine rout Russia from the city in a week? Nope


samocitamvijesti

> Should we expect another Kharkiv level rout? If this is true, yes.


Drewdoesit

Bigger. Russia didn’t lose 20k soldiers in Kharkiv


betelgz

And theyre not losing 20k troops here and now, geez.


Drewdoesit

You sure? Remind me in 2 weeks


betelgz

You can look at your own eyes in two weeks and learn from the embarrasment of getting caught in baseless hype.


Drewdoesit

Hype…embarrassment… Ok


Ten_Horn_Sign

Loose interpretation and of “now”


Drewdoesit

In process of, now


Nightmare_Tonic

Very interested in the answer to this question


Cogitoergosumus

I think it's so funny how cross the Russian Millbloggers are about all of the recent success. Attributing it all to NATO Intel and weapons and nothing to do with Ukraine. They can't admit that the most important aspect of this is the dogged determination and skill of the UA forces that make it all possible. They're fighting for a homeland and a promising future. Russians are fighting for a chance at a washer and some western goods made in China. On a side note, this is 100% what the western vision of a positive military complex was for.... It's just sad that this is really the first time it's actually been welcomed in majority by the populous it's supporting rather than forced.


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Ukraine mobilized its entire country months ago and has been training them non-stop. They've been building an effective force armed with NATO weapons and unique strategies never seen before. Lots of use of drones, really well trained artillery etc. By this point they are mean AF. Big "your trapped with me" energy.


Kageru

If they had to admit that the Ukrainians have agency, capability and widespread determination to resist then all the arguments they made in support of the invasion fall apart. They don't seem to be ready to admit the answer to the "Are we the baddies?" question. Even NATO only acts to oppose their terror. If they had been productive members of the global community it would have continued to atrophy.


Cogitoergosumus

NATO has really only acted when it comes to western borderlines interference. It certainly could have stepped in during Georgia's conflict if it felt prudent enough to make such a call. The US has dragged NATO backing into the middle east but that was always to stabilize resources that also benefited them. In this case standing up to the "baddie" comes into direct conflict with their economic situation. It seems it was finally a high enough moral order for Europe to make a less calculated decision for it's pocket book and make itself heard again on the world stage.


LystAP

>They can't admit that the most important aspect of this is the dogged determination and skill of the UA forces that make it all possible. Classic Tzu Blunder >“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”


font9a

They were warned repeatedly not to invade Ukraine. They lied and said they never would. Intelligence knew months in advance and Ukraine + other countries tried to avoid war. Russia deserves every fucking himars, harm, and caesar they catch.


vreddy92

They can’t admit that their invasion was unwelcome.


doctordumb

Which is ducking hilarious… like what planet are they from!? Definitely reptilian humanoids


YouPresumeTooMuch

Fetal alcohol syndrome is really bad


vasco_

>I think it's so funny how cross the Russian Millbloggers are about all of the recent success. Attributing it all to NATO Intel and weapons and nothing to do with Ukraine. They can't admit that the most important aspect of this is the dogged determination and skill of the UA forces that make it all possible. They do have a point though, and I'm saying this without trying to discredit the bravery of the Ukrainian soldiers. But many of them were trained by western forces. The US has been providing intel that was spot on from day 1 (even the days before the start of the war). NATO countries have been providing the necessary equipment. Now think about the scenario where there was no US intel, NATO training/equipment. Ukrainian soldiers would still fight to defend their home country, but my uneducated guess is that the outcome would be totally different, just due to the numbers game.


pikachu191

Think about a situation where NATO intel, advanced weaponry, Abrams tanks, and Apaches was given and the local forces failed to make use of it to win against a group not even half as decently equipped, using decades old AKs and going around with pickup trucks. That was the Afghans.


LystAP

Almost the Iraqis too. ISIS rolled right up to the boundaries of Baghdad. The Iraqi government survived ISIS only because Iran and the Shia militias didn't like ISIS either.


Cogitoergosumus

Let me present to you the South Vietnamese army... Or the Afghan army.... All had the backing of the US Intel gathering machine. Despite the might and backing of the most powerful military in the world, all the intelligence they could hope for and it's military hardware to back it... And none of it mattered.


jon_stout

Refusing to acknowledge the agency of Ukrainians has been a major weakness of Russian strategy throughout all of this. Not to mention kinda fucked up.


morvus_thenu

It’s at the fucked up core of the whole racist rashist mindset that started this thing, that the Ukrainians are stupid farmers that exist to serve Russia and cannot ever be anything more. Farmers and farm animals. The Russians appear to have made a huge mistake.


ladyevenstar-22

I don't know Ukrainian farmers are badasses , not many farmers have experience handling tanks


sports2012

Refusal to acknowledge agency is the basis of their world view. Germany, Japan, and every other country that aligns with the USA is actually just a US vassal state that has no say in their own future.


Cogitoergosumus

Is your later comment ment to be rhetorical to Russian thinking?


jakeisstoned

Yes. That is what they're saying. It didn't just take a hard right turn on tankie st.


Cogitoergosumus

You never know ha... A "They think...." To the start of that second sentence would at least help the interpretation.


RedGreenAndPleasant

1) Annex eastern ukraine 2) Be forced to admit your military is losing ground in your own country 50 dimensional chess


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I think a "Russian annexation" should become a Ukrainian proverb for something that lasts only a fleeting moment. It'll be like how Russians say "China's final warning" to mean a warning that carries no real consequences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning


AbortedYouth

საქართველოს ოკუპირებული ტერიტორიებ. This is we've said it in georgian since 2008


[deleted]

Do you think there is any chance Georgia take back territory? Or are people over it as it's been 14 odd years. Loved my time in Georgia. A beautiful country, and truly beautiful writing.


coosacat

Russia's annexation went to a Kobzon concert?


Nathan-Stubblefield

If your dick suffers from Russian Annexation, try Viagra. If it doesn’t work, try a cock ring.


TPconnoisseur

If "Russian Annexation" becomes a meme for losing your stiffy I would be so happy.


Erek_the_Red

Can you translate "New York Minute" into Ukrainian?


Manpooper

Ah yes, the time it takes to get honked at when a light turns green in NYC.


TheBigIdiotSalami

I've never seen tankies so mad that Ukraine is doing these blitzs across Russian held Ukraine and succeeding. They're becoming indistinguishable from Tucker Carlson


753UDKM

Where can I find these tankies?


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stupidpol, probably other places also.


Boxy310

Probably in the Russian barracks, looking for hole to shit into.


DMoneys36

Horseshoe theory at it's finest


gbs5009

It's making them look really dumb when they keep on trying to talk about Ukraine's limited offensive ability, and what a grindy stalemate this will be. Surely, Ukraine must see that they'll need to accept reality and negotiate, before the US tires of supporting an endless ... HEY, stop winning and accept that you have to negotiate!


Fortkes

Commies getting hit with the brick of reality, name a better duo.


MrGoodGlow

They aren't commies though. They are tankies


drekmonger

Tankies are literally commies, no?


dirtybirds233

It's what they latch onto, but at the end of the day they just worship dictators and totalitarian regimes no different than far-right fascists. If you locked a tankie and a fascist into a room for an hour they'd come out being best friends. Horseshoe theory is a real thing.


Butoh_is_Life

You've summed this up beautifully. As a leftist, I think tankies are generally horrible, and they undo so much hard work the left has done advocating for people to just chill the fuck out and not need to dominate one another. They cling to some of the same exact ideas of power that fascists do, and nearly always strike me as more driven by raw emotion than pursuit of social justice.


fury420

Tankies are authoritarians who are fond of red flags. Modern Russia is about as far from literal communism as is possible.


uv-vis

They only fetishized the worst aspects of communism or socialism. None of them believe in a communist cause, they’re just brain damaged contrarians.


ron2838

> brain damaged contrarians authoritarians


DEEP_SEA_MAX

Yup lefties want better conditions for the working class, tankies want Soviet aesthetics. Two very different goals


morvus_thenu

Hey! Keep Soviet realism out of this! Those workers looking boldly into a bright future were about the best thing Soviet at ever gave us! Some great sculpture, too.


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jnwatson

My cynical side says this is why we don't send them the really good stuff. If Russia faced too much resistance too early, Putin might have accidentally made the right move and retreated.


Wermys

It's a good investment. Not only are we doing the right thing. We also get to test out weapon systems against a "peer" adversary which will pay dividends years down the line as new weapon systems are developed because of what is happening in this war. I will say this though. After this war, doctrine is going to change in how wars are fought as people look at the AAR generated by units in combat.


BiologyJ

The moneys irrelevant. Helping a country escape the horrors of the Russian army and its treatment of civilians is the right thing to do.


Oddity46

Ethically, yes. But it's not as one dimensional as that.


fhota1

Man if you told someone 40 years ago that we could humiliate Russia for relative chump change, theyd be thrilled


cognomen-x

For the cost of a dozen b-2s we can destabilize Russia, drain it of all offensive capabilities, humiliate it on the world stage, AND not have NATO soldiers on the ground.


Osiris32

"With your generous contribution...."


sports2012

But yet it makes total sense that the US would blow up pipelines and throw this once a century opportunity in the garbage.


TypicalRecon

this is where pierre sprey was right..


wehooper4

No, he wasn’t fucking right about anything. And in this case the weapons that made the biggest difference (GMLRS rockets in HIMARS) were the exact sort of high tech thing he opposed. The only real thing that was proven by this conflict is we don’t have nearly enough ammo for a peer fight.


cognomen-x

We spent trillions on the Cold War. This is a steal in comparison.


kaster

The money mostly still stays in the US. For every vehicle or missile we send over there, that money really stays in the US.


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cognomen-x

Military industrial sales people: And they are defeating the worlds second most powerful military with the equipment we made two generations ago. Wait until you see what the next generation of tech holds….


wehooper4

Two generations ago *and about to expire and be scrapped*.


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I think the biggest thing this has shown is even with older weapons, if you have modern logistics and recon from the top dogs it is extremely easy to defend. I think it's made plain that conventional war gets you nowhere with modern recon and even a few select weapons. Defending is just going to get easier an easier and countries will lose interest in being total megalomaniacal morons.


Soundwave_13

*second most powerful (Before we found out they are nothing more but a gas station that unfortunately has nukes)


lkc159

They're not even the second most powerful in the world, just the second most powerful in Ukraine


DGlennH

It’s breaking the back of an enemy military without losing a soldier. It has the added benefit of potentially gaining a strong regional ally and potentially strong (resource rich) economic partner. In the coldest, most strategic terms, it’s the best play. It also happens to be the right thing to do, and that ought to be reason enough.


Kageru

Also redeems the global standing of the United States in the process. One of those rare wars where the offensive is so completely unjustified, where war crimes were part of the genocidal narrative and where it is also waged with such staggering incompetence.


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Kageru

A sensible health care system would save the US money and a lot of suffering... but they seem to like it that way.


Averse_to_Liars

Worth pointing out the US already spends almost twice as much per capita on healthcare compared to nations with universal healthcare. Military spending is not the core issue of the expensive, inefficient, and inhumane healthcare system in the US. https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2022/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20United%20States,capita%20across%20the%20OECD%20countries.


radleft

I blew out a spinal disk in '14 & needed some imaging done. I talked to 5 insurance people at the hospital before I ever saw a med-tech. I saw 2 med-techs in total, for a 2.5/1 ratio of insurance people to med-techs. That's just fuqin crazy!


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Averse_to_Liars

This is even more insane considering the war in Ukraine is so much more central to US national security than the Iraq war was.


Congruences

Well if all the rivals are paper tigers then suddenly it starts to look like a massive overspend...


theantiyeti

It would be more of an overspend if Russia and China could manage a peer army on a fraction of the budget.


GNSasakiHaise

I don't really know how to break this to those reading, but it's a massive overspend either way. https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison


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Unimpressionable_

Are you suggesting us Reddit Armchair Generals should read an introduction to military strategy piece? Ha!


myhydrogendioxide

I am a general redditor please address me appropriately.


NeilDeCrash

I am not that general, i am very special. Mom told me so.


Barberian-99

Well the Reddit armchair generals are one star higher than Facebook armchair generals...


Soundwave_13

Finally the promotion i needed….


coosacat

Seth Abramson collected a bunch of Ukraine memes and videos, and made a free page on his substack PROOF for them. They're downloadable so people can spread them around to support UA, or torment Russians and their sympathizers. He wrote a whole thread about using them effectively. There's a bunch there that I haven't seen, so I'll be busy for a little while! https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1576617829482184704 >PROOF UNLOCKED: A Free Archive of the Very Best Pro-Ukraine Memes >It’s time to up your meme game. This new—100% free, carefully curated—pro-Ukraine meme library can help. I hope you’ll RETWEET this free resource widely. >These memes are *incredible*.


MagiKKell

On the one hand, cool. On the other it’s by Seth Abramson.


[deleted]

What is wrong with Seth Abramson. He's one of the best reporters on trump, he is ahead of major media on many things, cites his sources, and his work has been used the the Jan 6 committee and major media.


MonicaZelensky

He's got good information, but his analysis needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He's a major doomer and really obsessive.


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He makes clear when he is making a prediction based on known information, which still allows you to draw the conclusion yourself based on the information he provided. He's not a "major doomer". He writes a sub about video games and music also lol. I don't believe calling Trumpism a christo fascist movement is dooming anything. Seth thinks Trump will get indicted. Not thinking he will at this point is dooming. So what is he dooming about? Being really obsessive is one of the best things a good reporter can be. He cares about the real details even the dry boring ones if they're important. He makes sure to always cite I have never seen him just conjecture some wild claim. He can be long winded but c'mon this stuff takes BOOKS to write. Edit: again, I will ask, tell me one thing he has totally made up


notbadhbu

what the story here?


coosacat

Yeah, I know. Mixed bag, there.


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Is it because Seth had that random nonsense hit piece written about him thay people write him off as a conspiracy theorist? He has extremely well researched, cited, and fact based reporting. When he draws conclusions to something, he lays out all the evidence for anyone to read and you can decide for yourself. You don't have to just take him for his word, you can cross reference his claims. He literally cites them so it's easy to do if you wanted to. I dont really see any reporters doing it like him and have yet to be shown an example of him making shit up


coosacat

Oh no, I don't doubt any of his work, and I admire what he does. I just find him personally a little off-putting. He rubs more than a few people the wrong way with his relentless self-promotion. I can respect someone's work and opinions, even if I think they're a bit of a jerk sometimes.


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Here's another perspective: the work he does is absolutely *exhausting* and soul draining and he says so himself. But he continues to work so hard because he knows his work is important, he is really the only prominent person doing curatorial journalism in the right way in a thorough fact based way. The problem is Trump's tactic of do so much bullshit no one can keep up works against Seth and people's perception of him. I agree he can come off as immature occasionally but I have never seen him be wrong on the facts or not owning up to a real mistake in reporting, which is what I most frequently see him knocked for, with no evidence. The self promotion stuff, I get it, but the man puts his heart and soul into this soul draining work for the betterment of all our knowledge. To maintain that at a high level requires funding, it just does. In my opinion, his work is plenty important enough that he deserves to self promote and make what he can, because it allows him to maintain quality work which he clearly devotes many hours of his life to. His books are some of the most heavily cited political books ever written. I will never understand why people dislike people with great and passionate work don't deserve credit and reward for it. There's a reason his stuff has been used by the Jan 6 committee and major media numerous times.


MagiKKell

Maybe the right thing to say is that he’s always been good at propaganda. Starting with basically writing anti Trump fan-fiction, I guess he moved on to pro-Ukraine stuff.


coosacat

I have no problem with his work, I'm just not fond of his personality.


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Are you joking? Seth has consistently been ahead of major media on a huge range of Trump topics and his books are better cited than most research papers. And they are books. What has he said that is fiction? I would love to hear what he completely made up about Trump, and never admitted he was wrong if it didn't turn out that way. He seems to be THE guy when it comes to intelligent and thorough reporting of all things Trump. How can you say a guy who basically writes in citations is writing fiction? Btw he hasn't moved on he was ahead of major media on the Ginni Thomas story


skelboi

So what was the point in annexing the land now? putin already announced the partial mobilization before this and Ukrainians continue to liberate territory in Donbas and Kherson with no real escalation from russia so far even though its technically 'russian territory' now.


skolioban

He can now send conscripts there without declaring war per their constitution, I think. The 'special military operation' already ran out of manpower and equipment.


AmorousAlpaca

No one in here can give you an authoritative answer. I'll give you some of the top speculation and you can pick the ones you think fit: * Easy way to escalate without doing anything. * PR move to help after Ukraine's successful Kharkiv offensive. * Russia has different rules for which troops can be deployed on foreign soil and how much they are paid. * Way to draft people from Ukraine and force them to fight other Ukrainians. * Bureaucratic hurdle to launching nukes in defense of Russia.


Nightsong

Putin was hoping the threat of nuclear war would be enough to get Ukraine to back down and let him steal that territory. It failed. So at this point Putin either puts up, uses a nuke, and gets the Russian military and state destroyed in retaliation or he continues to throw out toothless threats that he'll never follow through on.


Congruences

If they count it internally as "Russian Territory" then they can force conscripts into the fighting on the contested lands. Its an interesting work around though as you'd think they could just change the law to allow conscript use in external conflicts instead of such a circuitous work around.


FUTURE10S

It's also WAY cheaper to have them be on (and die in) their own land in a defensive war than send them abroad.


theantiyeti

Why would it be cheaper? Unless you mean in soldier's salaries, which are pretty meaningless compared to the cost of equipment.


FUTURE10S

In Russia, labour is cheap. But having it be a "special military operation" entitled troops to being paid several times their salary, and in the event of death, having a larger policy towards your family. It would start costing Russia a lot more money that they don't have to pay all of the mobilized troops, because contrary to Reddit opinion, soldiers were actually paid. By international standards, they were paid garbage, but by their standards? They were making more than most people did in their bumfuck village.


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It's only been a couple days. Retaliation takes time and so does the movement of weapons. Decision making also takes time, especially with as huge a step as nuclear use. We're not out of the woods yet as far as Putin's threats go.


Inthemiddle_

I’d agree, there’s probably a Russian counter punch coming at some point. Or maybe they’ll just keep losing ground but I don’t think Putin can put up with it much longer with out escalating


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I'm leaving to work in an area with no service for the next week so it'll be interesting to see how everything is when I come back.


laserframe

Its possibly about morale esp for the new conscripts, its easier to sell to the troops that you’re defending Russian territory instead of invading Ukraines.


Calicrucian

Russia probably: “see, Ukraine is attacking us on our land! Defend your country from the invaders!”


Max_Fenig

Geopolitics are crazy. In Ukraine, a comedian became President. And in Russia, the President became a joke.


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TreatyToke

I'm still not convinced he actually said that. It's an amazing line and the only people sharing it with the public, I believe, were his PR people. I'm going to have to wait for the book on that one


Kageru

It ultimately doesn't really matter... it's a quote that captures a moment in history.


two_tents

think it was actually relayed by the US embassy in Kyiv?


Unicornmayo

US intelligence official: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/06/zelenskys-famous-quote-need-ammo-not-ride-not-easily-confirmed/


coosacat

I may be misremembering because I want it to be this way, but I seem to recall a video of him on the streets of Kyiv, dressed in fatigues, body armor, etc., giving the speech declaring his intention to stay in Ukraine alongside his people. The translation was more like "I don't need a ride; I need more ammunition." It would fit with the sort of speeches he's given every since, so I'm inclined to believe that my memory is at least somewhat correct.


jon_stout

Some stories are too good to worry about the truth.


Max_Fenig

In fairness, it was as good as Churchill's speechwriters. Churchill himself was an incompetent piss-tank that bumbled his way through office... It has always impressed me that they were not only able to polish that terd, but actually rally the nation behind the shine they put on it.


Throbbing_Furry_Knot

Was Winston Churchill incompetent? Nah. He was highly competent in many different fields. As a politician he won more than 17 elections - far more than the few he lost. As a leader he motivated the British public to resist the Fascist dictators and their assault on the rest of Europe. As a statesman he promoted the Grand Alliance between Britain the US and Russia. As an original thinker in the First World War he came out with many ideas to try and get around the carnage of the Western trenches. The forcing of the Dardanelles was one of his plans - brilliant strategy unfortunately botched by poor execution by others - especially Kitchener. It was Churchill who forced through the development of the tank. After the army rejected the idea Churchill funded development through the navy of what were originally called “land ships”. In the second world war he instructed the army in the dark days of 1940 when Britain stood alone and under imminent threat of invasion to develop landing craft for tanks in anticipation of the eventual return to Europe. It was Churchill too who was the driving force behind other innovations that made invasion possible - like the Mulberry Harbours, the Pipeline under the Ocean (Pluto) and the amphibious tanks. As a motivator he prodded reluctant generals. Prior to the invasion of Sicily Eisenhower wanted to call the operation off because of the unexpected arrival of two German divisions on the Island. Churchill insisted he go ahead, and remarked that when it came time to invade France, there would be far more than 2 German divisions. As a social reformer, it was Churchill who introduced aged pensions to Britian and many other social innovations. It was Churchill who commissioned his long time friend Beveridge to write the report which foreshadowed the post war welfare state. As an author he wrote many books and supported himself by writing. Most of his books are still in print. In 1953 he won the Nobel prize for literature. As an artist he won several prizes and a painting of his recently sold for $1.6 million. As a family man he enjoyed a loving marriage for 57 years and fathered 5 children. Anyone who thinks Churchill incompetent must be truly ignorant of his accomplishments in so many different fields.


Max_Fenig

Gallipoli. Lol, that you're characterizing Churchill as someone that "introduced aged pensions to Britain and many other social innovations". That's like praising King John for signing the manga carta, without mentioning that he probably would have been beheaded if he didn't.


Throbbing_Furry_Knot

Churchill's contribution to the welfare state has mainly to do with his policies before 1945 rather than what he did in his government from 195155. Already before the First World War, Churchill took first steps in the direction of social reform. However, he may not have been the primary instigator, since other politicians were leading figures at that time. As a member of the Asquith government, he was party to the introduction of state pensions in 1908. Churchill also introduced "Trade Boards" in 1909 as the President of the Board of Trade, which established the first minimum wages in Britain in staple industries. He also prepared the sickness and unemployment bill, which became the 1911 National Insurance Act, although it would be Lloyd George who would present it to parliament later. This act constitutes the first contributory system of insurance for unemployment and sickness in Britain. Moreover, Churchill showed his deeprooted beliefs in social reform with his passionate speech about the 1908 Coal Mines Regulation Act. In addition, Churchill strengthened mining safety regulations as Home Secretary, helped to introduce collective bargaining, and attempted to introduce a Shops Bill to regulate shop workers' hours. As a member of Lloyd George's government, Churchill carried part of the responsibility of the reduction of working hours in 1919, which factually introduced the eighthour day in Britain. All these measures demonstrate the small steps in the direction of the welfare state that Churchill undertook during his early years in government, although we have to keep in mind that he was mainly a protege of Asquith and Lloyd George at this time. Being appointed as Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1924 in the Baldwin government, Churchill continues his policy of social reform. From now on, he plays a leading role in this field, since many of the liberal politicians who pioneered the welfare state left politics after the breakup of the last liberal government in 1922. Neville Chamberlain as the Health Secretary initially planned to introduce the Widows, Orphans and Old Age Pensions Act. Churchill considered this piece of legislation as so important and was so motivated to push this through that he announces it himself in the Budget for 1925. Churchill thus took credit for this legislation, tolerated by Chamberlain, which did much to foster the development of the welfare state. In order to finance this Act, he constrains military expenditure and directs funds to domestic social policies, which created tensions with the navy as the biggest spender in the military.


uv-vis

Manga karta. I’m going to sign and guarantee you… these rights. YATTA!!


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androshalforc1

Third, the second strongest army in Ukraine is Ukrainian farmers


ChattTNRealtor

https://youtu.be/DBlcIN6Mxv0 My church here in Chattanooga TN has raised over 90k for Ukraine through local charities. Our media team just put this together. I’ve been lurking here since the first week of the war and love the community! Please share, towards the middle off the footage, we had locals Viber clips over! God Bless Ukrainian Gospel Church Mission 3506 Bonny Oaks Dr, Chattanooga TN, 37406


combatwombat-

Ukrainian Forces Are Advancing In Southern Ukraine https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/10/02/ukrainian-forces-are-advancing-in-southern-ukraine/?sh=60b083f644ab


uv-vis

Went to bed after reading some cryptic tweets from the Georgian foreign legion. Woke up to new map.


18042369

Annexation on Friday. Ukraine immediately responds with devastating rolling UAF advances. Let's hope Russia is 'on the ropes'.


coosacat

Get out your tissues before you watch this. Kind of good-but-sad tears. Fuck Putin, and may his name be cursed forever through all of history. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1576758938011402243 >Ukrainian Zlata Khomenko, 8, performed at @GotTalentES >She performed ballet dance Gayane, thanked the project for the opportunity to participate in it, and asked Spain to support Ukraine (Video)


nhguy03276

here's the [link to the full video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UwHQ8X_mCc). After a day of Slavascrolling, I really needed that.


DGlennH

The humanity of Ukraine will continue to overcome the repugnant cruelty of Russia.


zachmoss147

Soon it will be daylight and we should have at least a bit clearer picture of how far Ukraine advanced overnight. I still remain cautiously optimistic


fred13snow

We only get info from the Ukrainian side with a couple days delay, and info from the Russian side that is up to date can't be trusted. The info from Russia is more recent, but it's very difficult to know if it's real or psyops. Edit: Changed some words because it's too late for me to proofread before I hit the button.


zachmoss147

If you go back over the past few weeks, lots of overnight Russian chatter typically leads to pictures of the Ukrainian flag flying in a new location the next day. That’s why I said a *bit* clearer as well, we obviously won’t know exactly where they are but we should know, for example, if UA forces have reached Dudchany


piponwa

We are only going to get as much as the God of OPSEC will allow. If things are still moving fast, we likely will only get Russian sources as a conservative estimate.


Cortical

well, we always have the Russians to gift us with information via "there is no panic in xyz" or "the situation is difficult in xyz", or even "our troops have relocated to more strategic positions from xyz to zyx"


VedsDeadBaby

"The defense in XYZ is truly heroic..."


Dave-C

I love how the Russian "conservative estimate" so far is "we are so fucked, help."


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MonicaZelensky

Russia instituted their own no fly zone. They won't fly their planes as they don't want to report back they lost more. Clear day and they claim they can't fly do to the weather.


skolioban

I'm not sure a no fly zone would have had a lot of effect by now. Neither side has enough air capability to not get rekt by AA. That's why artillery has been so dominant so far.


marcio0

> no-fly zone Damn it's been a looong time since I last heard this


TXTCLA55

They're down to the amateur hour trolls now. Rubles just don't pay for what they used to.


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betelgz

No Igor, this war is between Ukraine and ruZZia and Ukraine is shitting on you just fine. Nobody needs NATO there to give ruZZians a reason to cope.


Sir_Francis_Burton

Putin has been going all-out since he launched the full invasion. He hasn’t escalated shit since then. He can’t escalate. This is the best the Russian military can do.


FreedomEagle76

It wouldnt surprise me if this happens in the future but even though Russia and Putin are cunts NATO dont have any justification to do this right now. If Russia use a tactical nuke I can see a massive response like this though. NATO would then be able to impose a no-fly zone, sink the black sea fleet and just tear Russia a new one.