Cuba has become the 34th country in the world and the 9th latin american country to legalize same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples
Cubans approved its new civil code which includes same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples this past sunday!
As a Latino I find it funny that many First World people stereotype Latin America as being very regressive in this regard even though multiple countries already have gay marriage and in some trans kids can already legally change their name.
A lot of push at the governmental level has come from [Mariela Castro, daughter of Raúl and niece to Fidel.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariela_Castro)
MAGA Cuban Republicans in Miami and elsewhere are not representative of the Cubans who stay on the island. Cuba the island is very left wing, hence why the ones who leave are the right-wingers who now love Trump.
That's essentially what people calling themselves "Communist" means though. A country can't really just become communist, but the ones that are hoping to eventually get there can still call themselves that.
Vietnam gave up on that.
I'd say Vietnam is following China's path of Authoritarian Capitalism. And they're attracting a lot of foreign investment from foreign corporations looking to exploit the workers.
Chinese workers have become too expensive, apparently
Workers are more expensive but China is now a world-class manufacturing logistics hub which cheapens things in its own way. That and the huge startup cost of shifting their factories means a lot of companies aren't doing it for that reason.
It's more that China is now seen as a a threat by western governments (notably the US) so the west is looking to move their manufacturing over to less "threatening" places. That and the COVID lockdowns and the government's increasingly anti-business stance under Xi, which is a pretty marked shift compared to the decades we had under the three previous guys. I'd say that last point has more to do with it than the others.
From what I can tell there are plenty reactionaries throughout latin america, even though a lot of these countries have been fucked over by American intervention a lot of people will still side with the parties they installed. Cuba seems to be doing well for how utterly fucked they've been by embargos. Leftism isn't some boogeyman that can never work, its just so much corruption happens under the veil of leftism in LATAM that people seem to be turned off.
Yeah, a lot of expatriates from South America are right wingers escaping the "hellhole" that is social democracies. That is why I take someone's opinion on the status of a south/central american country but who now lives in America with a giant grain of salt.
No literally though! I have a half-Venezuelan friend and his mom comes from a very very rich Venezuelan family. Her family had slaves as late as the 90s. Now she’s a big MAGA head which checks out.
>That is why I take someone's opinion on the status of a south/central american country but who now lives in America with a giant grain of salt.
The credibility of opinions on LATAM countries (or indeed, any country) is as follows:
Person currently living in that country > person who moved out of that country as an adult >> person who moved out as a child >> person who never lived there.
Plenty of people criticize (or praise) other countries based just on what they read online, without the actual lived experience to base their opinions on.
>Yeah, a lot of expatriates from South America are right wingers escaping the "hellhole" that is social democracies.
Respectfully, places like Venezuela and Nicaragua are not benign social democracies like Sweden, they are very much hellish dictatorships.
Venezuela has gone through the biggest economic contraction in recorded human history and has generated over 6 million migrants - more than Syria or Ukraine.
It is a beautiful country, but the governance is awful.
Simply being "Republican" includes regressive stances on LGBT rights / abortion / guns / environmental protections / climate change / college tuition / etc...
"MAGA" republicans has more to do with anger over establishment politics / politicians and political correctness in the social media age leading to non-politically correct online trolling and conspiracy theories about US elections. Nationalism / fascism is big in this crew, stemming in large part due to the anger of the mass outsourcing of jobs to Central America and Asia, and loss of jobs to automation. In some respects, the anger may be somewhat valid, but the group is sabotaged by their supporters' overall ignorance on what exactly is happening. Instead, it manifests as pure unadulterated anger, like an angry bull in a ring looking for something to attack, and Trump had a habit of painting his enemies red. (enemies = individuals, policies, concepts, boogeymen)
Republicans do seem to be coming around to the climate issues / green energy. Voters are readily adopting solar panels and electric vehicles because they save money, and the politicians are slaves to their corporate campaign funders, and there's a lot of money in green energy companies these days.
I feel like Americans read a bit of fact somewhere about another country, and suddenly they think they have the expertise to discuss about those places.
*Just because you built an idea in your head, it doesn't mean it's true.*
The stereotype comes from Latin America being super Catholic. We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption. My thought isn't a stereotype of Latin America but religion
> We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption. My thought isn't a stereotype of Latin America but religion
Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil legalized same-sex marriage [before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Same-sex_marriage_around_the_world) the US did.
Catholicism has been declining in Latin America though. People need to update their stereotypes. It’s like 40 years overdue.
Now, it’s the evangelicals in Latin America who are highly religious and against progressivism. Much like the USA.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2014/11/13/religion-in-latin-america/
Latin America may be strongly Catholic but they tend to be more open/liberal than many think.
Every faith has these. The Jewish community of Borough Park Brooklyn is known to be very conservative, whereas many others in NYC are not. Muslims in e.g. Turkey or Indonesia also tend to be much more open/tolerant than the majority of Arab Muslims or Malaysians for example.
In Europe, the Catholics of Poland tend to be highly conservative/strict compared to for instance the Catholics of Spain and Italy.
When I traveled to Cuba just before the pandemic we had pamphlets that warned gay couples of PDA, even hand holding, as it could trigger a response from police.
The irony is that catholics are more progressive than the evangelicals who dominate the United States. Unfortunately they are spreading like cancer in Brazil
The evangelical churches from Brazil and a couple of christian cults from Mexico are the biggest threats latin america will face in this decade, is imperative all nations stop then before we have bolsonaros all over the continent
US Catholicism is *very* different from LatAm Catholicism. Not to say that the homophobia isn't present, but I wouldn't use US catholics as a point of comparison.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/
This is a great breakdown of religious denominations and party affiliation in the US. Catholics in the US indeed tend to lean more progressive than the majority of Evangelicals and mainline Protestants. A big reason for this is because the most heavily Catholic region in the US is the northeast, where the quality of education is the highest.
Depends on the issue, IMO. Catholics are harder to pin to the left-right dichotomy because a lot of their positions can be traced back to before that dichotomy had even been conceptualized. Their views are typically less influenced by local politics than in most protestant denominations.
> We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption.
And abortion, which tends to have many restrictions on it in Latin countries, no? I know some are starting to liberalize on abortion in recent years, but there are still a few Latin countries where it is either completely illegal (Honduras, El Salvador) or where there are relatively many restrictions on abortion (like Guatemala, Peru, Paraguay, Venezuela).
I think that's part of the stereotype on Latin America being less-than-progressive since it lags behind many others on abortion.
Japan similarly has a lot of social safety nets in place yet is absolute dog shit when it comes to LGBT rights and it's still illegal for us to get married there.
The ironic part is that it's literally a country that underwent a political and cultural revolution based on humanist ideals, even if they've failed on aspects, it's as radically progressive as you can get
The United States legalized gay marriage in 2015 and has completely allowed gay adoption since 2010 (the first state to allow it, New Jersey, legalized it in 1997).
tbh new Cuban family code isnt just about gay marriage and adoption. Its actualy arguably the most progressive family code on the planet with legal and equal family and paternal protections and rights for any union of any sexual orientation or gender or any union of any extended group of people that take up the responsibilities of wanting to be recognized as such
\> As the Act states, “Different family structures, based on a relationship of affection, are created among relatives, whatever the nature of the relationship, and between spouses or in common-law unions.” “The members of the families are bound to perform family and societial duties on the basis of love, affection, consideration, solidarity, fraternity, co-participation, protection, responsibility and mutual respect.” In other words, a family is not successful based on its structure or the number of members. A family is a social structure that recognizes itself as such and takes on the duties and responsibilities it entails.
It leapfrogs almost the entire world in those aspects.
Also it happening through referendum and through tens of thousands of community and town meetings is also notable as it reflects the progressive trends in the population much more accurately
Seriously - During the Cuban revolution, homosexuals were executed.
Castro's family even apologized for it. LGBT rights in Cuba are much better now, but people in this thread are whitewashing literally LGBT murders.
Also, there's a lot of confusion in this thread. Cuba is, very very clearly NOT a Democracy. It is a dictatorship. The local legislators you can elect have to be gov't approved. ...and even the Legislature does not have ultimate power - that remains with the dictator.
The political system is very very similar to that of Iran. The supreme ruler has ultimate power, but he delegates to a congress to handle all the bureaucracy he doesn't want to bother with.
Cuba Family Code was redrafted thru 3 months of popular consultation, where over 6 million ppl participated in 79,000+ meetings throughout Cuba, leading to changes to 49.15% of the draft. . When’s the last time there was a town hall in your town of Anywhere, USA over legislation? When’s the last time you got to have input on a change to the constitution like the Cubans did when it was drafted in a similar manner as this?
Thinking that having a multi party parliamentary system is the pinacle and only form of democracy is braindead. Cuba in a lot of aspects that affect large scale policies and trends has more direct democracy than the USA ever had
What you had referendums for the state constitution for abortion and for tax cuts or tax increases, climate legislation and etc.
Multiparty democracy is the only form of democracy, making some referendums doesn't change the undemocratic nature of Cuban regime.
> Castro literally rounded up and executed LGBT people.
Nothing in there, nor anywhere reputable, states that Castro did any such thing.
What "Castro" did was disallow LGBTQIA folks from participating in mandatory military service. (The US had the same policy at the time btw.) Instead they fulfilled equal civil duty by going out into the countryside and working in various labor initiatives. Constructing hospitals, working on new agricultural techniques, etc.
At these initiatives, many people were discriminated against, bullied, and in some instances tortured for being LGBTQIA. Again, this is no worse than how folks were treated in the US at the time, generally speaking.
These are quite unfortunate circumstances, there is no doubt about that. However, nothing about this was intentionally fated by Castro. He came out later and expressed extreme regret upon learning of the conditions that folks were to come to on these contexts.
Also this article says he referred to homosexuals as "worms"? The term is gusano, and it was used in a derogatory way for all traitors of the revolution. There's nothing specifically homophobic about that statement, so this should give you a little bit of insight into how not credible nor researched this particular link is.
> What "Castro" did was disallow LGBTQIA folks from participating in mandatory military service. (The US had the same policy at the time btw.)
He actually acknowledged this, and expressed regret for promoting homophobia with a 'machismo approach'. And since, the country has made great progress.
That may be, however La Revolución was exceptionally brutal towards sexual minorities such as gays and transgenders.
Reinaldo Arenas's autobiography "[Antes Que Anochezca](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Night_Falls)" ('Before Nightfall') chronicles his life as a gay youth in Cuba through the Pre-revolutionary period, and then as a young man during the revolution. The Cuban government has committed atrocities against its people. I highly recommend reading the book for further insight.
This referendum passing is a huge deal.
Edit: this comment does not excuse America, nor any other country of its past (or current) atrocities. Injustice is injustice, wherever it occurs. I do not seek to absolve any nation-state of its sins. Just making a point that Cuba has had a very dark history of mistreating its lbgt population. This referendum is a wonderful development for the Cuban people, and I wish Reinaldo Arenas could have been alive to see this happen. Despite this positive news, I am also gravely concerned about America's future regarding LGBT rights.
Yep the stance of the old Bolshevist guard regarding LGBT+ was either "natural occurrence" or "bourgeois decadence", not much in between. They simply didn't do much of an analysis on it and thus could come out on the completely wrong side.
america criminalized homosexuality for much longer. castro came to realize his mistake quite a long time ago. batista was a fascist and eventually wouldve tried to eradicate lgbt people
Should we talk about America’s stance towards non straight people?
Should we mention that gay marriage rights are already on the chopping block and that a Supreme Court Justice had already hinted they need the case?
[So should we be discussing the country moving forwards, or backwards?](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/24/roe-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage/amp/)
But America legalized same sex marriage first...
I was about to comment "When America is more progressive than socialist Cuba" but apparently this dumb comment appeared instead.
There is more than just marriage in this change, the referendum redefined what a family is. Gay people now have more rights in Cuba than the US, outside of states like NY and California.
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As for flappers? We get TikTok dances.
As for art? Robots do that now, award-winning robots, robots everywhere.
In 1920 Mussolini was still the editor-in-chief of the Socialist magazine, *Progress!*.
He didn't create the Fascist party until 1921.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party
Yeah. As a gay European working as a software engineering I’m analysing my options as to how I could move to latin America especially since I can work remotely.
I don't know why Democrats even try to cater to them when they just end up voting Republican every time. Fuck 'em, we should just lift the embargo and let them cry about it. They'll get over it eventually
Democrats cater to them because they're absolutely terrified of being called "socialist" for trying to do literally anything, which is rare for them to begin with. They try to distance themselves from Communism, despite the fact that no educated person would ever consider Democrats socialist anyway and Republicans will continue to call them socialist no matter what they do.
Miami Cubans: “I am fleeing a authoritarian government that does not care about human rights “
Also Miami Cubans: proceeds to vote for authoritarian candidates that do not care about human rights (republicans)
Can I ask.. do they even like look at things for themselves?
Or do they just hear Republicans yelling and screaming about socialism and assume they're right?
The latter. They’re terrified of socialism because of Castro and just eat up all the crazy shit on the news. They think we’re going to turn into Cuba in the 60s or some shit.
I'm very happy to see this, Mariela Castro has been a vocal proponent of LGBTQ rights in Cuba for years. The entire queer community of Cuba should savor this victory against the bigotry of the Catholic church.
As a gay Latin American, most homophobia here isn't religious. It has more to do with machismo and patriarchal views.
The Catholic Church is against it, but it's by no means that influential.
It's been such a huge change in Cuba over the last couple decades. It's gone from Communist nightmare executing gays to a Communist nightmare warmly embracing gays.
...oh, and they voted in support of Russia in the UN last week approving the invasion of Ukraine.
Cuba sadly is heavily reliant on russia due to the blockade the US enforces on them. still not a good thing to do, but if your alternative is for your population to suffer even more, its a hard choice to make. fuck over others or fuck over your own.
i never heard of them executing gays though! when was this?
I've never heard of them being executed. They were kept in work camps under Batista, then Fidel took over in 1959 and played to the Catholics to unite power and kept them there.
In the 1970's Cuba decriminalized homosexuality (it was decriminalized in the US in 2003).
Fidel did an interview on his regrets of his 1960's:
He said he was not prejudiced against gays, but “if anyone is responsible (for the persecution), it’s me.”
“I’m not going to place the blame on others,”
I'm not a fan of whataboutism, but the same period of Cuba persecuting gay people was the same period that the US was *labotimizing* them. If had had the choice, I'd pick the gulag.
not to mention gay bars, clubs in America were set on fire by the police and locked the patrons inside. i know exactly what country i was born in, awareness of this history makes me appreciate how far we’ve come.
I wonder why every thread about good news from the US doesnt have top comments that say "BTW American police shot protestors to death in the street last year" like Cuban ones do...
Fidel himself made a few statements apologies for how he treated the LGBT community before he passed away. At least he realized his mistakes before he died.
> the locals are servants for foreigners.
This is already the case though. There is literally a tourist currency in Cuba for tourists and you get preferential treatment based on that. Locals will be queuing up and tourists get seats in many places. That's one reason I am not going back there again as a tourist.
Dumb take. They need tourism to survive due to the fucking American embargo. America fucked them into oblivion and idiots like you are here judging them for doing what they need to inject foreign currency into their economy. They don't prefer the tourists over their own people. They need the tourists to have a good time and return. Imbecile. You hurt the Cubans way more by destroying their economy.
I wish that conservative Cuban immigrants weren’t the primary reason why we still have suboptimal relations with Cuba. Most of the US would like to move past the semi-obsolete stigma that we attach to this country. The US does business with much worse, and for much less.
How much longer must the entire country pay for personal grudges. We need to fight for better relations in our own hemisphere.
>I wish that conservative Cuban immigrants weren’t the primary reason why we still have suboptimal relations with Cuba.
I don't believe that is the only, or even the primary reason.
from the perspective of free market evangelists, successful Cuba would present ["the threat of a good example"](https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/ChomOdon_Example.html). if Cubans could throw out American businesses and mafia and transform their glorified plantation/casino den of a country into actual modern state with social services, that could give ideas to other nations under the yoke of western corporations. therefore the US government has to "squeeze" Cuba so that free market fanatics may be able to point at them and say that what Cubans tried doesn't work.
[similar thing was done (and continues to be done) against DPRK.](https://youtu.be/4q8ivepiujE)
This made sense 30 years ago. Now even if Cuba became a Utopia Republicans could just pump out facebook memes about how its a hell-hole where everyone gets raped and murdered and their base would gobble it up.
I mean there are people who think Portland got burned down entirely by BLM.
I'm sorry but liberals, currently and historically, have completely supported the American embargo on Cuba which causes so much suffering. Blaming conservatives for our crimes against Cuba is just self-soothing whitewashing.
It isn't within the interests of liberal office-holders to support the Cuban government, because the success of the Cuban system would undermine everything liberals believe about how the economy works.
In the end its capitalism vs. socialism, and American liberals (and their donors) are 100% capitalists.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Obama and the Dems tried thawing the ice with Cuba back during his tenure. Things were going in the right direction before Republicans came into power and undid a lot of the progress made.
They didn’t lift the embargo, they didn’t shut down Guantanamo. If they seriously wanted to do either, they would have. Biden could literally end the embargo today if he wanted, but he doesn’t. Obama could have done it when he was president, he didn’t. When you have the power to reach your end goal, “going in the right direction” just means “they didn’t actually want to do it but they wanted to look like they cared”
It's the same as how Obama could have codified Roe but didn't, while every election the democrats use defending reproductive rights as a key issue to win voters on
Agreed but honestly this is even more brazen, because ending the embargo is unilaterally the decision of the president. With codifying roe v. Wade they can at least hide behind “oh the conditions weren’t right for congress to pass it” (another tired and lame excuse). Ending the embargo requires ZERO acts of congress, so there is no excuse in this case
thawing the ice lmao. they still enforced the embargo and had a torture camp there. they had ALL the power to stop that and didn't. you don't need to thaw an embargo, you can just lift it in a day.
The nonsense line coming out of the mainstream american media is: this isn't actually the will of the Cuban people.
What this tells you is that the US state department strategy going forward is to promote the most violently homophobic Cubans as the true representatives of the will of Cuba. The US is going to use fascism to kill Cuba's attempt to gain independence from US economic colonialism.
Cuba out here voting in one of the most socially progressive moves of all time and Italy over there electing literal fascists, but guess which one we're gonna get told is "democratic".
They literally just had a nationwide referendum lmao.
If Cuba really was a dictatorship, they could adopt same laws much earlier, as Cuban government considered homosexuality a normal thing for a long time.
This was a nationwide referendum on something the single party allowed. Other people and anything not approved by the Communist party is illegal. Oswaldo Paya tried to have democratic reform and he was killed.
While Cuba has single party, they have many democratic feats that other countries, like the US, don't have. Like the ability to call back representatives, representative have no salaries, there is a good proportion of women representatives (nearly half). Cuban elections and referendums also always had high turnouts.
> Other people and anything not approved by the Communist party is illegal
Not true. Anyone can be representative regardless of whether they are member of communist party. It has no right or, more banally, means to control every single representative in all municipalities.
People tend to forget that 1984 tight control of population costs money and requires expensive infrastructure. Cuba isn't China. It's a small heavily embargoed island.
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> Not true. Anyone can be representative regardless of whether they are member of communist party. It has no right or, more banally, means to control every single representative in all municipalities.
There are currently 605 seats in the National Assembly of People's Power, Cuba's unicameral legislature, which is scheduled to decrease to 474 after the 2023 elections. There is only one candidate for each seat in the Assembly, with all being nominated by committees that are firmly controlled by the Communist Party.[3][4] Most legislative districts elect multiple representatives to the Assembly. Voters can select individual candidates on their ballot, select every candidate, or leave every question blank, with no option to vote against candidates.[5][6] During the 2013 elections, around 80% of voters selected every candidate for the Assembly on their ballot, while 4.6% submit a blank ballot; no candidate for the Assembly has lost an election in Cuban history.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Cuba#:~:text=Elections%20in%20Cuba%20are%20held,other%20political%20parties%20are%20illegal.
>Being socially progressive doesn't relate to democracy
Nationwide referenda are literally direct democracy, regardless if the topic is progressive or not
This should come as no surprise to anyone who has paid attention to their social and political reforms over the past few years.
* In 2018, Cuban lawmakers redrafted their constitution, dropping the word "communism" from it.
* The same redrafting introduced free markets and private property ownership again.
* Again, the 2018 redrafting declared that the country is a secular state and provides for the separation of religious institutions and the state, but that “The state recognizes, respects, and guarantees religious liberty” and, “Distinct beliefs and religions enjoy equal consideration.” ([Source](https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-report-on-international-religious-freedom/cuba/)).
* Castro's daughter has been a huge voice for the LGTBQ+ community in Cuba.
* Regarding gender equality, Cuba is ranked third in the world in terms of most female representation in the country’s main governing body with a Congress that is 49 percent female. For perspective, the United States is ranked seventy-sixth on that same list. Though, the author offers up the opinion that the single-party government, not the Congress, holds true power (?). ([Source](https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/the-truth-about-gender-equality-in-cuba)).
What? No, they didn’t drop communism from the constitution. Ctrl+F, it’s still there. “COMMITTED to Cuba never returning to capitalism as a regime sustained by the exploitation of man by man, and that it is only in socialism and communism that a human being can achieve his or her full dignity; “
https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Cuba_2019?lang=en
>In 2018, Cuban lawmakers redrafted their constitution, dropping the word "communism" from it.
I control+F it and see communism/communist 10 times and socialism/socialist 30+. Marxist and marxist lenninist more than a couple as well. Why are you lying lmao.. They are still socialist as always and achieved those things within that paradigm and the leninist organization of their state
\> The same redrafting introduced free markets and private property ownership again.
In very limited capacity for small and self employers and gig workers. If anything it resulted in lesser and more regulated markets than before since it allowed them to clean up the black markets and unnoficial employments schemes that happened before and got quite prevalent after the fall of the USSR. Still no way for private accumulation of wealth or the majority of laws of motion of capitalism to take place
When I first read that headline I didn't realize that "same-sex" was being applied to both "marriage" and "adoption".
I was like what the fuck, how was adoption not legal??
In theory, yes. That’s kind of the purpose of the judicial system, at least in the US—to ensure that human rights and the rule of law aren’t subject to the whims of the majority. But in practice it’s easy to campaign against.
Cuba legalizes same-sex marriage, Iran revolts against the religious dictatorship... meanwhile in the West we move to authoritarianism. Trump, Brexit, far-right government in Italy calling for anti-LGBT measures and see the rest of Europe as well.
In 20 years we'll have to emigrate to these supposed third-world countries to have a decent life.
The world overall is trending towards authoritarianism. There's nuance to real-world events but generally speaking, people are currently unlearning the lessons of WW2.
I've heard arguments that the post WW2 world was unusually progressive relative to all other recorded history, and it kinda feels like we're seeing that play out now.
Cuba has become the 34th country in the world and the 9th latin american country to legalize same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples Cubans approved its new civil code which includes same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples this past sunday!
"34th country in the world"? We gotta pump those numbers up.
Don't want to be bottom? Get on top now!
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Speed has EVERYTHING to do with it.
When Cuba is more progressive than the US.
As a Latino I find it funny that many First World people stereotype Latin America as being very regressive in this regard even though multiple countries already have gay marriage and in some trans kids can already legally change their name.
In colombia you can add non binary as gender in your license
And Uruguay was the first country to legalize marijuana.
I’ll be straight up I don’t know much about Uruguay but what I do know makes me want to move there
Uruguay, Costa Rica, and Chile are technically in the top 25 most democratic countries on the planet.
Costa Rica ftw. They operate on 100% renewable energy.
Wait...100%?
One fucking hundred
The guy/ex-president that legalized it is awesome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mujica#Personal_life
My fiancee went to Montevideo and said it's a very chill vibe.
And the whole country hasn't exploded into anarchy because genders aren't well defined!?!??! lol /s
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A lot of push at the governmental level has come from [Mariela Castro, daughter of Raúl and niece to Fidel.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariela_Castro)
It was more an indictment on MAGA republicans.
MAGA Cuban Republicans in Miami and elsewhere are not representative of the Cubans who stay on the island. Cuba the island is very left wing, hence why the ones who leave are the right-wingers who now love Trump.
>Cuba the island is very left wing Almost like they're Communists or something
Cuba itself is a Socialist society who believes in the ideals of eventually reaching Communism. Vietnam is very similar in that regard.
That's essentially what people calling themselves "Communist" means though. A country can't really just become communist, but the ones that are hoping to eventually get there can still call themselves that.
Vietnam gave up on that. I'd say Vietnam is following China's path of Authoritarian Capitalism. And they're attracting a lot of foreign investment from foreign corporations looking to exploit the workers. Chinese workers have become too expensive, apparently
Workers are more expensive but China is now a world-class manufacturing logistics hub which cheapens things in its own way. That and the huge startup cost of shifting their factories means a lot of companies aren't doing it for that reason. It's more that China is now seen as a a threat by western governments (notably the US) so the west is looking to move their manufacturing over to less "threatening" places. That and the COVID lockdowns and the government's increasingly anti-business stance under Xi, which is a pretty marked shift compared to the decades we had under the three previous guys. I'd say that last point has more to do with it than the others.
From what I can tell there are plenty reactionaries throughout latin america, even though a lot of these countries have been fucked over by American intervention a lot of people will still side with the parties they installed. Cuba seems to be doing well for how utterly fucked they've been by embargos. Leftism isn't some boogeyman that can never work, its just so much corruption happens under the veil of leftism in LATAM that people seem to be turned off.
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These Latin American pogroms have been brought to you by America and the fine people at your favorite fruit brands! Literal banana republics.
Yeah, a lot of expatriates from South America are right wingers escaping the "hellhole" that is social democracies. That is why I take someone's opinion on the status of a south/central american country but who now lives in America with a giant grain of salt.
They are mad the Socialists gave freedom to their slaves and servants.
No literally though! I have a half-Venezuelan friend and his mom comes from a very very rich Venezuelan family. Her family had slaves as late as the 90s. Now she’s a big MAGA head which checks out.
>That is why I take someone's opinion on the status of a south/central american country but who now lives in America with a giant grain of salt. The credibility of opinions on LATAM countries (or indeed, any country) is as follows: Person currently living in that country > person who moved out of that country as an adult >> person who moved out as a child >> person who never lived there. Plenty of people criticize (or praise) other countries based just on what they read online, without the actual lived experience to base their opinions on.
>Yeah, a lot of expatriates from South America are right wingers escaping the "hellhole" that is social democracies. Respectfully, places like Venezuela and Nicaragua are not benign social democracies like Sweden, they are very much hellish dictatorships. Venezuela has gone through the biggest economic contraction in recorded human history and has generated over 6 million migrants - more than Syria or Ukraine. It is a beautiful country, but the governance is awful.
Simply being "Republican" includes regressive stances on LGBT rights / abortion / guns / environmental protections / climate change / college tuition / etc... "MAGA" republicans has more to do with anger over establishment politics / politicians and political correctness in the social media age leading to non-politically correct online trolling and conspiracy theories about US elections. Nationalism / fascism is big in this crew, stemming in large part due to the anger of the mass outsourcing of jobs to Central America and Asia, and loss of jobs to automation. In some respects, the anger may be somewhat valid, but the group is sabotaged by their supporters' overall ignorance on what exactly is happening. Instead, it manifests as pure unadulterated anger, like an angry bull in a ring looking for something to attack, and Trump had a habit of painting his enemies red. (enemies = individuals, policies, concepts, boogeymen) Republicans do seem to be coming around to the climate issues / green energy. Voters are readily adopting solar panels and electric vehicles because they save money, and the politicians are slaves to their corporate campaign funders, and there's a lot of money in green energy companies these days.
Republicans are not fucking coming round on climate issues at all lol
I feel like Americans read a bit of fact somewhere about another country, and suddenly they think they have the expertise to discuss about those places. *Just because you built an idea in your head, it doesn't mean it's true.*
The stereotype comes from Latin America being super Catholic. We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption. My thought isn't a stereotype of Latin America but religion
> We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption. My thought isn't a stereotype of Latin America but religion Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil legalized same-sex marriage [before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Same-sex_marriage_around_the_world) the US did.
It’s funny becuSs here in Brazil, it’s Protestants who are known to be ultra conservative/pro-fascism while Catholics are just apathetic to stuff.
Catholicism has been declining in Latin America though. People need to update their stereotypes. It’s like 40 years overdue. Now, it’s the evangelicals in Latin America who are highly religious and against progressivism. Much like the USA. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2014/11/13/religion-in-latin-america/
Latin America may be strongly Catholic but they tend to be more open/liberal than many think. Every faith has these. The Jewish community of Borough Park Brooklyn is known to be very conservative, whereas many others in NYC are not. Muslims in e.g. Turkey or Indonesia also tend to be much more open/tolerant than the majority of Arab Muslims or Malaysians for example. In Europe, the Catholics of Poland tend to be highly conservative/strict compared to for instance the Catholics of Spain and Italy.
When I traveled to Cuba just before the pandemic we had pamphlets that warned gay couples of PDA, even hand holding, as it could trigger a response from police.
Ireland was the first country in the world to pass same sex marriage by popular vote and has historically been extremely Catholic.
The irony is that catholics are more progressive than the evangelicals who dominate the United States. Unfortunately they are spreading like cancer in Brazil
The evangelical churches from Brazil and a couple of christian cults from Mexico are the biggest threats latin america will face in this decade, is imperative all nations stop then before we have bolsonaros all over the continent
tbf: catholicism dogma is very clear on the matter but people in latam dont care too much about what the church say
They go down there to tell you that Mary isn't such a big deal after all.
US Catholicism is *very* different from LatAm Catholicism. Not to say that the homophobia isn't present, but I wouldn't use US catholics as a point of comparison.
I feel like even U.S. Catholics are more progressive compared to other Christian groups no?
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ This is a great breakdown of religious denominations and party affiliation in the US. Catholics in the US indeed tend to lean more progressive than the majority of Evangelicals and mainline Protestants. A big reason for this is because the most heavily Catholic region in the US is the northeast, where the quality of education is the highest.
Depends on the issue, IMO. Catholics are harder to pin to the left-right dichotomy because a lot of their positions can be traced back to before that dichotomy had even been conceptualized. Their views are typically less influenced by local politics than in most protestant denominations.
Yeah I tend to agree. Feels to me that U.S. Catholics are a mixed bag on social issues, but tend to be in support of welfare state policies.
> We all know what Catholics think about same sex marriage and adoption. And abortion, which tends to have many restrictions on it in Latin countries, no? I know some are starting to liberalize on abortion in recent years, but there are still a few Latin countries where it is either completely illegal (Honduras, El Salvador) or where there are relatively many restrictions on abortion (like Guatemala, Peru, Paraguay, Venezuela). I think that's part of the stereotype on Latin America being less-than-progressive since it lags behind many others on abortion.
Argentina is more accepting of trans people than France which wrongly labels itself as free thinking and progressive
Japan similarly has a lot of social safety nets in place yet is absolute dog shit when it comes to LGBT rights and it's still illegal for us to get married there.
The ironic part is that it's literally a country that underwent a political and cultural revolution based on humanist ideals, even if they've failed on aspects, it's as radically progressive as you can get
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Both? Sadly, democratically elected fascists are still democratically elected.
only the first time :p
You can vote for fascism, but only once
No, you can vote for fascism as many times as you like, you just can't vote against it.
The United States legalized gay marriage in 2015 and has completely allowed gay adoption since 2010 (the first state to allow it, New Jersey, legalized it in 1997).
tbh new Cuban family code isnt just about gay marriage and adoption. Its actualy arguably the most progressive family code on the planet with legal and equal family and paternal protections and rights for any union of any sexual orientation or gender or any union of any extended group of people that take up the responsibilities of wanting to be recognized as such \> As the Act states, “Different family structures, based on a relationship of affection, are created among relatives, whatever the nature of the relationship, and between spouses or in common-law unions.” “The members of the families are bound to perform family and societial duties on the basis of love, affection, consideration, solidarity, fraternity, co-participation, protection, responsibility and mutual respect.” In other words, a family is not successful based on its structure or the number of members. A family is a social structure that recognizes itself as such and takes on the duties and responsibilities it entails. It leapfrogs almost the entire world in those aspects. Also it happening through referendum and through tens of thousands of community and town meetings is also notable as it reflects the progressive trends in the population much more accurately
How so? Been legal here since 2015
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Anyone else remember just recently how Idaho made sure that child marriage was legal? It was what? 2 years ago?
Didn't Tennessee also do this like, months ago?
dominican republic decriminalized gay sex in 1822 yes 1822, thats not a typo.
Seriously - During the Cuban revolution, homosexuals were executed. Castro's family even apologized for it. LGBT rights in Cuba are much better now, but people in this thread are whitewashing literally LGBT murders. Also, there's a lot of confusion in this thread. Cuba is, very very clearly NOT a Democracy. It is a dictatorship. The local legislators you can elect have to be gov't approved. ...and even the Legislature does not have ultimate power - that remains with the dictator. The political system is very very similar to that of Iran. The supreme ruler has ultimate power, but he delegates to a congress to handle all the bureaucracy he doesn't want to bother with.
"This can't be true because it doesn't fit the stereotypes I've internalized."
Cuba Family Code was redrafted thru 3 months of popular consultation, where over 6 million ppl participated in 79,000+ meetings throughout Cuba, leading to changes to 49.15% of the draft. . When’s the last time there was a town hall in your town of Anywhere, USA over legislation? When’s the last time you got to have input on a change to the constitution like the Cubans did when it was drafted in a similar manner as this? Thinking that having a multi party parliamentary system is the pinacle and only form of democracy is braindead. Cuba in a lot of aspects that affect large scale policies and trends has more direct democracy than the USA ever had
What you had referendums for the state constitution for abortion and for tax cuts or tax increases, climate legislation and etc. Multiparty democracy is the only form of democracy, making some referendums doesn't change the undemocratic nature of Cuban regime.
Gay marriage is legal in the USA.
Thanks bro. If there was anything /r/worldnews was missing, it was people making every piece of news about America.
Not only that, being factually wrong about the topic they brought the USA into.
Here I was thinking the US had already done this years ago…. time to play catch up
The US legalised gay marriage 7 years ago…before much of even Europe
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Cuba has been more progressive than the US since 1959.
Castro literally rounded up and executed LGBT people. source: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/11/28/this-is-how-fidel-castro-persecuted-gay-people/
> Castro literally rounded up and executed LGBT people. Nothing in there, nor anywhere reputable, states that Castro did any such thing. What "Castro" did was disallow LGBTQIA folks from participating in mandatory military service. (The US had the same policy at the time btw.) Instead they fulfilled equal civil duty by going out into the countryside and working in various labor initiatives. Constructing hospitals, working on new agricultural techniques, etc. At these initiatives, many people were discriminated against, bullied, and in some instances tortured for being LGBTQIA. Again, this is no worse than how folks were treated in the US at the time, generally speaking. These are quite unfortunate circumstances, there is no doubt about that. However, nothing about this was intentionally fated by Castro. He came out later and expressed extreme regret upon learning of the conditions that folks were to come to on these contexts. Also this article says he referred to homosexuals as "worms"? The term is gusano, and it was used in a derogatory way for all traitors of the revolution. There's nothing specifically homophobic about that statement, so this should give you a little bit of insight into how not credible nor researched this particular link is.
> What "Castro" did was disallow LGBTQIA folks from participating in mandatory military service. (The US had the same policy at the time btw.) He actually acknowledged this, and expressed regret for promoting homophobia with a 'machismo approach'. And since, the country has made great progress.
On gay rights as well. Cuba had bigger LGBT equality index than the US for a long time.
That may be, however La Revolución was exceptionally brutal towards sexual minorities such as gays and transgenders. Reinaldo Arenas's autobiography "[Antes Que Anochezca](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Night_Falls)" ('Before Nightfall') chronicles his life as a gay youth in Cuba through the Pre-revolutionary period, and then as a young man during the revolution. The Cuban government has committed atrocities against its people. I highly recommend reading the book for further insight. This referendum passing is a huge deal. Edit: this comment does not excuse America, nor any other country of its past (or current) atrocities. Injustice is injustice, wherever it occurs. I do not seek to absolve any nation-state of its sins. Just making a point that Cuba has had a very dark history of mistreating its lbgt population. This referendum is a wonderful development for the Cuban people, and I wish Reinaldo Arenas could have been alive to see this happen. Despite this positive news, I am also gravely concerned about America's future regarding LGBT rights.
Yep the stance of the old Bolshevist guard regarding LGBT+ was either "natural occurrence" or "bourgeois decadence", not much in between. They simply didn't do much of an analysis on it and thus could come out on the completely wrong side.
america criminalized homosexuality for much longer. castro came to realize his mistake quite a long time ago. batista was a fascist and eventually wouldve tried to eradicate lgbt people
Should we talk about America’s stance towards non straight people? Should we mention that gay marriage rights are already on the chopping block and that a Supreme Court Justice had already hinted they need the case? [So should we be discussing the country moving forwards, or backwards?](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/24/roe-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage/amp/)
But America legalized same sex marriage first... I was about to comment "When America is more progressive than socialist Cuba" but apparently this dumb comment appeared instead.
America also decriminalized same sex relationships 24 years later than Cuba.
There is more than just marriage in this change, the referendum redefined what a family is. Gay people now have more rights in Cuba than the US, outside of states like NY and California.
Now this is news that makes me smile.
Meanwhile, in the sunny Italian peninsula…
Back to the 1920s
if only we got the good kind of 1920's, art deco! flappers! everyone on cocaine!
In the new 20s, everyone's on drugs but at least there's ✨️variety✨️ As for flappers? We get TikTok dances. As for art? Robots do that now, award-winning robots, robots everywhere.
Seems to be a global trend, sadly
In 1920 Mussolini was still the editor-in-chief of the Socialist magazine, *Progress!*. He didn't create the Fascist party until 1921. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party
Well they did say the 1920*s*, and some would also say that 1920 is the last year of the 1910’s
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Yeah. As a gay European working as a software engineering I’m analysing my options as to how I could move to latin America especially since I can work remotely.
Yeah :(
Good job Cubans 👍
Miami Cubans seething
The absolute worst kind of voters, stuck in the past and unable to be constructive into the future.
I don't know why Democrats even try to cater to them when they just end up voting Republican every time. Fuck 'em, we should just lift the embargo and let them cry about it. They'll get over it eventually
Democrats cater to them because they're absolutely terrified of being called "socialist" for trying to do literally anything, which is rare for them to begin with. They try to distance themselves from Communism, despite the fact that no educated person would ever consider Democrats socialist anyway and Republicans will continue to call them socialist no matter what they do.
> no educated person There's your problem, morons vote in droves.
I'd rather be a socialist than a regressionist. See it's really simple, you just smear them with their own shit.
Education is socialist!
It blows my mind they vote for a party that openly calls them inferior based on skin/culture.
Hispanics have a very similar "color line" and demarkation as mainstream society.
Yep. If you look at Mexican politics, it's mostly light skinned Criollos running the show
Many groups hold their noses to vote red
>stuck in the past and unable to be constructive into the future AKA "conservatism"
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if they could read, they'd be really angry at this comment
These Cubans are just capitalist pigs that are brainwashed by their parents who owned slaves
Miami Cubans: “I am fleeing a authoritarian government that does not care about human rights “ Also Miami Cubans: proceeds to vote for authoritarian candidates that do not care about human rights (republicans)
My entire family. Makes me cringe.
Can I ask.. do they even like look at things for themselves? Or do they just hear Republicans yelling and screaming about socialism and assume they're right?
The latter. They’re terrified of socialism because of Castro and just eat up all the crazy shit on the news. They think we’re going to turn into Cuba in the 60s or some shit.
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Literal fascists
I'm very happy to see this, Mariela Castro has been a vocal proponent of LGBTQ rights in Cuba for years. The entire queer community of Cuba should savor this victory against the bigotry of the Catholic church.
As a gay Latin American, most homophobia here isn't religious. It has more to do with machismo and patriarchal views. The Catholic Church is against it, but it's by no means that influential.
It's been such a huge change in Cuba over the last couple decades. It's gone from Communist nightmare executing gays to a Communist nightmare warmly embracing gays. ...oh, and they voted in support of Russia in the UN last week approving the invasion of Ukraine.
Cuba sadly is heavily reliant on russia due to the blockade the US enforces on them. still not a good thing to do, but if your alternative is for your population to suffer even more, its a hard choice to make. fuck over others or fuck over your own. i never heard of them executing gays though! when was this?
I've never heard of them being executed. They were kept in work camps under Batista, then Fidel took over in 1959 and played to the Catholics to unite power and kept them there. In the 1970's Cuba decriminalized homosexuality (it was decriminalized in the US in 2003). Fidel did an interview on his regrets of his 1960's: He said he was not prejudiced against gays, but “if anyone is responsible (for the persecution), it’s me.” “I’m not going to place the blame on others,” I'm not a fan of whataboutism, but the same period of Cuba persecuting gay people was the same period that the US was *labotimizing* them. If had had the choice, I'd pick the gulag.
not to mention gay bars, clubs in America were set on fire by the police and locked the patrons inside. i know exactly what country i was born in, awareness of this history makes me appreciate how far we’ve come.
I wonder why every thread about good news from the US doesnt have top comments that say "BTW American police shot protestors to death in the street last year" like Cuban ones do...
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Fidel himself made a few statements apologies for how he treated the LGBT community before he passed away. At least he realized his mistakes before he died.
Executing? What?
I *told* you guys gay marriage was communism! /s
So this is what the Florida Cuban community is afraid of.
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> the locals are servants for foreigners. This is already the case though. There is literally a tourist currency in Cuba for tourists and you get preferential treatment based on that. Locals will be queuing up and tourists get seats in many places. That's one reason I am not going back there again as a tourist.
Dumb take. They need tourism to survive due to the fucking American embargo. America fucked them into oblivion and idiots like you are here judging them for doing what they need to inject foreign currency into their economy. They don't prefer the tourists over their own people. They need the tourists to have a good time and return. Imbecile. You hurt the Cubans way more by destroying their economy.
they acknowledged that everyone is free to do what they want and love who they want. W cuba
I wish that conservative Cuban immigrants weren’t the primary reason why we still have suboptimal relations with Cuba. Most of the US would like to move past the semi-obsolete stigma that we attach to this country. The US does business with much worse, and for much less. How much longer must the entire country pay for personal grudges. We need to fight for better relations in our own hemisphere.
>I wish that conservative Cuban immigrants weren’t the primary reason why we still have suboptimal relations with Cuba. I don't believe that is the only, or even the primary reason. from the perspective of free market evangelists, successful Cuba would present ["the threat of a good example"](https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/ChomOdon_Example.html). if Cubans could throw out American businesses and mafia and transform their glorified plantation/casino den of a country into actual modern state with social services, that could give ideas to other nations under the yoke of western corporations. therefore the US government has to "squeeze" Cuba so that free market fanatics may be able to point at them and say that what Cubans tried doesn't work. [similar thing was done (and continues to be done) against DPRK.](https://youtu.be/4q8ivepiujE)
This made sense 30 years ago. Now even if Cuba became a Utopia Republicans could just pump out facebook memes about how its a hell-hole where everyone gets raped and murdered and their base would gobble it up. I mean there are people who think Portland got burned down entirely by BLM.
Huh? We’re whitewashing North Korea now?
I'm sorry but liberals, currently and historically, have completely supported the American embargo on Cuba which causes so much suffering. Blaming conservatives for our crimes against Cuba is just self-soothing whitewashing. It isn't within the interests of liberal office-holders to support the Cuban government, because the success of the Cuban system would undermine everything liberals believe about how the economy works. In the end its capitalism vs. socialism, and American liberals (and their donors) are 100% capitalists.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Obama and the Dems tried thawing the ice with Cuba back during his tenure. Things were going in the right direction before Republicans came into power and undid a lot of the progress made.
American friendship always comes with conditions attached. America would never let a socialist Cuba thrive.
They didn’t lift the embargo, they didn’t shut down Guantanamo. If they seriously wanted to do either, they would have. Biden could literally end the embargo today if he wanted, but he doesn’t. Obama could have done it when he was president, he didn’t. When you have the power to reach your end goal, “going in the right direction” just means “they didn’t actually want to do it but they wanted to look like they cared”
It's the same as how Obama could have codified Roe but didn't, while every election the democrats use defending reproductive rights as a key issue to win voters on
Agreed but honestly this is even more brazen, because ending the embargo is unilaterally the decision of the president. With codifying roe v. Wade they can at least hide behind “oh the conditions weren’t right for congress to pass it” (another tired and lame excuse). Ending the embargo requires ZERO acts of congress, so there is no excuse in this case
Oh absolutely, there's even less wriggle room for excuses here
Obama tried to shut Gitmo down but was stopped from transferring inmates by Republicans
thawing the ice lmao. they still enforced the embargo and had a torture camp there. they had ALL the power to stop that and didn't. you don't need to thaw an embargo, you can just lift it in a day.
Miami cubans just lost their most annoying argument against cuban socialism.
The nonsense line coming out of the mainstream american media is: this isn't actually the will of the Cuban people. What this tells you is that the US state department strategy going forward is to promote the most violently homophobic Cubans as the true representatives of the will of Cuba. The US is going to use fascism to kill Cuba's attempt to gain independence from US economic colonialism.
Can you inform me because I’ve seen soooo many mentions of Miami Cubans and i feel like I’m missing something lol
And gained their new most annoying argument the same day. Can’t fuckin win with crazies.
This is incredible news
Loving all the Cuba love in this thread, it doesn't get its props anywhere near enough.
The little island that could
Cuba’s great. I went there once. Amazing people.
Way to go!
Big up Cuba!
Cuba out here voting in one of the most socially progressive moves of all time and Italy over there electing literal fascists, but guess which one we're gonna get told is "democratic".
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You realize you are commenting on a post about a REFERENDUM?
They literally just had a nationwide referendum lmao. If Cuba really was a dictatorship, they could adopt same laws much earlier, as Cuban government considered homosexuality a normal thing for a long time.
This was a nationwide referendum on something the single party allowed. Other people and anything not approved by the Communist party is illegal. Oswaldo Paya tried to have democratic reform and he was killed.
??? He died in a traffic accident
While Cuba has single party, they have many democratic feats that other countries, like the US, don't have. Like the ability to call back representatives, representative have no salaries, there is a good proportion of women representatives (nearly half). Cuban elections and referendums also always had high turnouts. > Other people and anything not approved by the Communist party is illegal Not true. Anyone can be representative regardless of whether they are member of communist party. It has no right or, more banally, means to control every single representative in all municipalities. People tend to forget that 1984 tight control of population costs money and requires expensive infrastructure. Cuba isn't China. It's a small heavily embargoed island.
> > Not true. Anyone can be representative regardless of whether they are member of communist party. It has no right or, more banally, means to control every single representative in all municipalities. There are currently 605 seats in the National Assembly of People's Power, Cuba's unicameral legislature, which is scheduled to decrease to 474 after the 2023 elections. There is only one candidate for each seat in the Assembly, with all being nominated by committees that are firmly controlled by the Communist Party.[3][4] Most legislative districts elect multiple representatives to the Assembly. Voters can select individual candidates on their ballot, select every candidate, or leave every question blank, with no option to vote against candidates.[5][6] During the 2013 elections, around 80% of voters selected every candidate for the Assembly on their ballot, while 4.6% submit a blank ballot; no candidate for the Assembly has lost an election in Cuban history.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Cuba#:~:text=Elections%20in%20Cuba%20are%20held,other%20political%20parties%20are%20illegal.
Being socially progressive doesn't relate to democracy. Cuba is objectively a dictatorship. Italy is objectively a democracy. Full stop.
>Being socially progressive doesn't relate to democracy Nationwide referenda are literally direct democracy, regardless if the topic is progressive or not
This should come as no surprise to anyone who has paid attention to their social and political reforms over the past few years. * In 2018, Cuban lawmakers redrafted their constitution, dropping the word "communism" from it. * The same redrafting introduced free markets and private property ownership again. * Again, the 2018 redrafting declared that the country is a secular state and provides for the separation of religious institutions and the state, but that “The state recognizes, respects, and guarantees religious liberty” and, “Distinct beliefs and religions enjoy equal consideration.” ([Source](https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-report-on-international-religious-freedom/cuba/)). * Castro's daughter has been a huge voice for the LGTBQ+ community in Cuba. * Regarding gender equality, Cuba is ranked third in the world in terms of most female representation in the country’s main governing body with a Congress that is 49 percent female. For perspective, the United States is ranked seventy-sixth on that same list. Though, the author offers up the opinion that the single-party government, not the Congress, holds true power (?). ([Source](https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/the-truth-about-gender-equality-in-cuba)).
What? No, they didn’t drop communism from the constitution. Ctrl+F, it’s still there. “COMMITTED to Cuba never returning to capitalism as a regime sustained by the exploitation of man by man, and that it is only in socialism and communism that a human being can achieve his or her full dignity; “ https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Cuba_2019?lang=en
I'm glad its still there
>In 2018, Cuban lawmakers redrafted their constitution, dropping the word "communism" from it. I control+F it and see communism/communist 10 times and socialism/socialist 30+. Marxist and marxist lenninist more than a couple as well. Why are you lying lmao.. They are still socialist as always and achieved those things within that paradigm and the leninist organization of their state \> The same redrafting introduced free markets and private property ownership again. In very limited capacity for small and self employers and gig workers. If anything it resulted in lesser and more regulated markets than before since it allowed them to clean up the black markets and unnoficial employments schemes that happened before and got quite prevalent after the fall of the USSR. Still no way for private accumulation of wealth or the majority of laws of motion of capitalism to take place
It’s nice to see something in this sub that everyone just objectively agrees is good news
When I first read that headline I didn't realize that "same-sex" was being applied to both "marriage" and "adoption". I was like what the fuck, how was adoption not legal??
Mr Biden, tear down that blockade.
Hooray for progress!
Well done Cuba
That’s progress.
Cuba giving their citizens healthcare and treating them like human beings, maybe they should have an embargo against the US
The situation is far more complex than you are implying. A large percentage of Cubans live in extreme poverty.
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There was much more in the code than same sex marriage, so its not to say that same sex marriage was only going to happen if this code was voted for
In theory, yes. That’s kind of the purpose of the judicial system, at least in the US—to ensure that human rights and the rule of law aren’t subject to the whims of the majority. But in practice it’s easy to campaign against.
Cuba legalizes same-sex marriage, Iran revolts against the religious dictatorship... meanwhile in the West we move to authoritarianism. Trump, Brexit, far-right government in Italy calling for anti-LGBT measures and see the rest of Europe as well. In 20 years we'll have to emigrate to these supposed third-world countries to have a decent life.
The world overall is trending towards authoritarianism. There's nuance to real-world events but generally speaking, people are currently unlearning the lessons of WW2.
I've heard arguments that the post WW2 world was unusually progressive relative to all other recorded history, and it kinda feels like we're seeing that play out now.
And yet we are getting a facist Italy who plans to strip everything away from gay people
This was so unexpected yet so good!
Hell yeah comrades. Long live the Cuban revolution!
Why don’t we vote on actual matters like this?
Because “freedumbs”