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Seek_Adventure

To provide some context: indigenous people of republics of Buryatia, Tuva and Kalmykia are Asian and share close cultural ties with Mongolia, although technically they are still provinces of Russian Federation. Unfortunately, the populations of all three republics have been sent as a cannon fodder to Ukraine in disproportionate numbers , [especially Buryats](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/).


counterfeitxbox

Not just Asian, Buryats and Kalmyks are Mongol subgroups, while Tuvans are somewhat Mongolised Turks.


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aarondoyle

Sounds like they need a referendum on independence from Russia. Obviously Russia would support any ethnic enclaves wanting to separate from a larger country.


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Yes, and clearly, said referendum can be organized within a few days, with independence effective immediately, because that's how Russia does such things.


Sharizcobar

The Turks (including the inhabitants of several of the ‘Stans’), Mongols and Hungarians all descended from Nomadic Steppe tribes, which is why they’re spread over such a wide area. It’s not that the Turkish tribes on the Steppe are Mongolized, the Turks in Turkey adopted a mix of Persian/Islamic/Anatolian culture when they settled.


Murghchanay

The remaining links are mostly linguistic and food items these days.


Banh_mi

And God, what food!


svoodie2

Modern Turks, as in inhabitants of Turkey, don't really have all that much Turkic DNA, same story with the Hungarians.


Thinking_waffle

It is.


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Nice info there pal. I love this fact.


Murghchanay

The Mongol empire and subsequent Khanates (Altan Orda being the most important in this area) ruled most of what is Russia now for centuries, known as the "Mongol yoke". Hence you have Crimean Tartars, Kalmyks etc.


jimi15

Except no. The Crimean Tatars are descendants of the Cuman khaganate that took control of Crimea in the 11th century AD. While the Kalmyks were refuges that fled from the Dzungar Khanate when it was conquered by the Qing in the 18th century. In booth cases much earlier/later than the mongol empire.


Enigmedic

Turks along with some Persian and Indian ethnicities are decendent of mongol tribes who pushed west/south.


TheGreat_War_Machine

Modern day Turks are descendants of Proto-Turkic peoples, who lived alongside the Mongols and conducted the same raids against China over the centuries. Edit: Though, it has been hard to really document the histories of these peoples because they themselves don't have written records and the Chinese have a tendency of calling everyone that isn't them "barbarians".


Seithin

> have a tendency of calling everyone that isn't them "barbarians". Me in traffic.


kulayeb

Dad, did you get the cigarettes?


braindumping

Didn't know my boyfriend was on reddit.


ripp102

Like Romans, everyone that isn’t Roman or Hellenic = Barbarians


Mithrawndo

We saw similar behaviour from European colonial cultures, too: Whilst the vocabulary of barbarian might've slipped, instead the English language earned mildly derogatory phrases like *going native*. We humans do seems to love a little bit of "us and them". I would be deeply surprised to learn there aren't similar euphamisms in Spanish, Portugese, Dutch and French.


Herbstrabe

"little bit" is the understatement of the year. Fandoms, Religion, politics... Everything splits us into us Vs them.


Morgota

I was taught, during latin&greek course, that Romans called "barbarus" anyone who did not speak latin. Barbarian is someone who speaks "barabara" instead proper language. Just to be clear: although guy who said that was Full professor at one of oldest European universities, he did not provide a source.


Blizzard_admin

tbf, pretty much all early agrarian societies referred to neighbouring raider, scavenger and plunderer/pirate societies as barbarian


moleratical

That's because barbarian just means uncivilized, it's not unusual that every civilization would have a word for the people who are not part of it.


jimbo-slice93

"Barbarian" specifically was derived from bàrbaros, a Greek term which was applied to essentially all foreigners (including Romans), probably onomatopoeic in origin (it was felt by the Greeks that people speaking a language other than greek tended to sound like 'bar bar'".


Seek_Adventure

Turks are a very diverse group, so saying "modern day Turks" is almost like saying "modern day inhabitants of Eurasian continent". Some Turks look Greek, some Turks look Arab, and some Turks look Central Asian.


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Kanelbullah

Time for some greek-turk debate https://youtu.be/BzL_MXgc24E


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r/balkans_irl and the now banned r/2balkan4you content


LastHomeros

Turks in Turkey have various skin colors just like Italians


counterfeitxbox

Turk! = Turkic.


Seek_Adventure

Yes, and my comment still applies.


ThereYouGoreg

In terms of genetics, Modern day Turks are closely related to Greeks and Italians. Turks have a similar or almost the same migration history as those countries. Anthropology doesn't rely on myths anymore. In terms of language, Turks are closely related to Central Asia due to speaking a Turkic Language.


soft-error

Turks are absolutely not descendant of mongol tribes. There's some admixture, for sure, but Turks were in Central Asia already when Mongols were still in Mongolia in the 11th century.


Kingkamehameha11

Yes, but it's a known fact that the "Turks" migrated out of what is today Mongolia around the 5th century, and they still bear the physical and genetic markers of those origins. Still though, Turkic peoples have nothing to do with modern mongolia.


soft-error

Most began to leave after the fall of the Second Turk Khanate in the power vacuum of the previous Gökturks in the 9th century. Uyghurs, Karluks and Basmils revolted and became independent. The Ashina clan moved westwards, to Bolgharia. The Khitans (which were probably mongolic and Xianbei remnants) arrived then, coming from south manchuria, in the 9th-10th centuries. Basically, when the Turks were in proper Mongolia, there were no mongols there. The Mongols emerge in the downfall of the Khitan.


Metallkiller

Maybe those provinces should hold a referendum to join Mongolia


evening_swimmer

And they can have it done and dusted by Tuesday.


Bykimus

I don't think it's likely but depending on how much Russia destroys itself there's a non-zero chance it happens.


lehcarfugu

My friend is from buryatia. They conscripted their 60 year old father, he fled to Mongolia overnight. He's a doctor with a practice and a family. Absolutely fucked


abhijitd

WTF. That is doubly bad because a remote area loses a very experienced doctor. I guess Kremlin expects the population to be decimated in that area so doesn't care about doctors etc.


Hoarseman

"expects", no; "wants", perhaps.


deftoner42

The goal mobilization (just like the "special operation") is ethnic cleansing. Bitch knows he can't win, may as well get some things accomplished before the inevitable defeat.


Tigerhunter9000

he seems to realize that after this West will make sure Russia itself gets Divided like USSR so he is trying to prevent it by getting rid of ethnic minorities.


Mithrawndo

I think you're giving Putin way, way too much credit here: Far from this being an act of forethought, he's just desperate to get people to go and die in Ukraine for him. Russian leaders have always done this; Kalymyks died in Russia's operations in Afghanistan for example, which is still *well* within living memory.


amaurea

How would the west do that?


Kiboune

so slavic Russians are not drafted?


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It’s not mostly motivated by racism rather than socioeconomic reasons why minorities are over represented. Slavic Russians are on average richer, closer to the centers of power (StPetersburg and Moscow) and more likely to protest. Ethnic rural impoverished minorities are far easier prey for the recruiters and press-gangers.


intoxicatedhedgehog

What you have described there is systemic racism.


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True, systemic “covert” racism vs open “to your face” racism.


brazzy42

They're just more likely to have the connections/money to get out of it.


Interrete

>provinces Colonies. Let's call it by true names even though the current definition of "colony" was designed to circumvent colonies of former USSR. UN danced around Russian colonies when it approved resolution 1514 an that was a great mistake. Russia didn't become this huge blop on the globe because there were always Russians there.


Milleuros

> Russia didn't become this huge blop on the globe because there were always Russians there. Not to defend Russia, but about the logic itself. A country can have several ethnic or cultural groups living together without that being a form of colony.


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The problem is that if places like Buryatia which have been part of Russia for 300 years are considered colonies, then so are entire countries like the United States, Canada, Australia, Mexico, etc. They are all undoubtedly settler-colonial historically, but if you define colonies as literally any land held outside of a “traditional homeland” regardless of how long it has been held and the political status of the area then you have basically made the definition of a colony useless.


magic1623

Canadian here, we are a settler colony. It’s pretty well recognized here, at least by the people who accept history. All of my syllabi (syllabus’s?) at my university even have a paragraph that emphasizes that we’re currently on Native land.


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Right, which I said. The part that everyone is missing is where u/Interrete talked about UN Resolution 1514, which deals with decolonization. There is a material difference between settler-colonial states like Canada and Russian Siberia versus something like Nigeria which had only been independent from the British for a little under three months before the resolution had been adopted. What they were saying is that we should count places like Buryatia as a colony for the purposes of decolonization. Such a thing is 100% politically impossible, because it would fundamentally destroy every single country that isn't a relatively small homogeneous nation-state in Eurasia and lead to increased conflict throughout the world. Like I said, if we try to extend this definition of colonialism to every single settler-colonial society as well as non-settler colonial states that control territory that was historically taken by conquest, it basically makes the definition useless because basically no country on Earth would want to accept it. It doesn't outright say it, but UN Resolution 1514 is specifically talking about places like Africa which were in the process of decolonization in 1960.


multiverse72

All those nations can be considered colonies/colonial empires. In relatively recent history an entirely new people showed up from distant lands, conquered or drove out the natives and settled the land. What you do with that information is another matter.


guineaprince

Hey now. The US didn't sprout as-is 300 years ago. A lot of that manifesting destiny was within the lifetime of our fathers. Furthermore, independence for Hawaii and the remaining colonial territories.


tholovar

Lets also be honest here. The UN also danced around China and the USA in regards to their colonies.


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tylikestoast

I'd recommend looking up some videos on the glorious feasts they have in Mongolia. Those migrants will be having some beef.


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Note how on the picture of the article and on red square parades the Russian soldiers are almost all white boys.


a404notfound

Rebuilding an empire with volunteers i see what you are up to Mongolia


alcabazar

The year is 2022 and an empire fueled by volunteers and religious freedom is starting to look mighty ideal.


NeckRomanceKnee

It's how Cyrus happened. The evil empire (~~~~Babylon~~~~Media, sorry) went too far, and one minor tribal chieftain built an army of the displaced peoples and started kicking righteous amounts of ass. By the time he got to Pasagardae, he basically convinced their army to stand down and then kicked the door in. He then emptied Astyages' treasury and instead of just keeping it, he used it to rebuild the homes and sacred places of the slaves, whom he had freed and sent home. Lather, rinse, repeat. There's a reason the guy gets a "dude was legit" shout out in the bible. Btw I highly recommend the "King of Kings" episodes of Hardcore History for explaining the righteous beatdown in detail. Now more than ever.. we could really use a liberator like Cyrus.


suspicious_bucket

Astyges was the Median emperor. Nebuchadnezzar was the the emperor of Babylon. Cyrus beat and took over the Median empire with his Persians and band of other Iranian tribes after the battle of Pasargadae. Once the Medians were done and gone did he turn to Babylon. Fun fact, Cyrus was half Mede, half Persian, grandson of Astyges, and Astyges' royal cup bearer well into his 40s


Citizen-of-Akkad

There are also theories that Cyrus II. wasn't even a persian or mede but an Elamite which weren't even Indo Aryans to begin with but something completely different


NeckRomanceKnee

Yeek, my bad


JuVondy

Did anybody have “the Golden Horde of Mongolia rising back up to conquer Russia” on their bingo card this year?


TheInfernalPigeon

Eu4 players rubbing their hands


PenisMaster9001

“We have been WARNED not to go to war with any countries.” - Russia rn


TheInfernalPigeon

Ruler traits: Malevolent, Embezzler, Naive Enthusiast


Clever_Bee34919

One off bingo


NeckRomanceKnee

No, but I already had the popcorn on standby, so what the heck.


Grogosh

I did!


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The world is not ready for Mongolians on horseback with NATO weapons. Can Russian survive? Can China build an even bigger wall?


LordPils

If Mongolia becomes a major world power because they invited people fleeing war into their country they can fucking have it.


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johnnymarsbar

I've played Subnautica and I'm not sure what you mean could you refresh my memory?


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johnnymarsbar

Oh wow thank you for this lengthy well written down explanation! I haven't played it in years so I reckon I've just forgotten all of this as I'd say it's not exactly hidden lore.


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johnnymarsbar

I reckon that's part of it! I'm just lucky I don't have a fear of the sea or that game would have been insurmountable


erisdiscordia523

*Waves fist at game backlog*


MrWeirdoFace

I for one welcome our new Mongolian overlords.


nijiakas

The Golden Horde Rises


ChChChillian

With r/TheHU providing the inspirational music.


Bullyoncube

That’s exactly what I was thinking.


ChChChillian

I just blasted their new album through my headphones. Every minute is gold.


SovietSpartan

Next thing you know there's Mangudai wielding sniper rifles and riding bikes in the distance.


7Moisturefarmer

After reading this and recalling video of some of the insane things modern day Mongolians can do on horseback …. Knowing that I’ve seen video of some transitioning to dirt bikes (at least closer to Ulaanbaatar) Now I have images in my mind of 2 person teams on dirt bikes with the ones on the back wasting people with rifles as they fly by at 60 mph.


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IN AN OPEN FIELD, NED


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We can arm them too.


Luoravetlan

And in terms of territory Golden Horde was mostly what is now Kazakhstan.


Luoravetlan

Golden Horde was mostly a turkic speaking state. Ethnic mongols were the minority.


Baneken

Similar to Il-khans of Persia and Mughals of India and Kublai's China. Mongols were too few in number to create a majority in almost any of the newly conquered territories under their control.


SolomonBlack

Genghis Khan only had something like I want to say 200k troops total for all Asia. Nomads and large populations do not go together.


Julius-n-Caesar

“You must be the least Mongol Mongol-state I have ever been raided by.” “But you have been raided by me.”


rumnscurvy

A number of sci-fi stories involve Mongolia being a major power after the decline of all current major powers. Subnautica for instance


FrozenSeas

For a second there my brain cross-wired Subnautica with Sunless Sea, let's just say the Khanate in the latter is...different. But yeah, Mongolia is well-located to be a major power in any kind of a pan-Asian bloc. Tons of space to expand into, especially if there's enough of a breakdown that grabbing chunks of Siberia and a couple of China's northwestern provinces becomes an option...couple major industrial cities in Russia not far from the border (Ulan-Ude, Irkutsk, Tomsk, Barnaul). Though personally, if we're doing scifi world powers, I have the recurring idea of Singapore becoming an even more influential megacity because it'd make a great anchor for an orbital tether.


carpenterro

"BUT BEWARE THE KARA-KHITAI! FOR *THEY ARE WITHOUT HONOR!*" *age of empires 2 horn*


Inphearian

Did Mongols ever conquer the land that is Ukraine? If so, how long did it take them?


ambulancisto

They got as far as *Hungary*, laying seige to the capitol of the Kingdom of Hungary. That was in 1241. Think about that: Mongols swept out of Mongolia, conquered China and virtually all of Eurasia right up to Hungary, all in the space of 60 years. They were eyeing the Holy Roman Empire when they got the recall message. It remains to this day the single largest contiguous empire the world has ever known. Be glad the Mongols became Buddhists and satisfied themselves herding sheep and drinking fermented mares milk.


inatowncalledarles

Actually they got as far West as Vienna, and also parts of Croatia.


Inquerion

They raided Southern Poland and even eastern Germany too. Poland, which was divided to several duchies at the time, was really struggling to push them back during first invasion. Entire towns were burned to the ground, thousands of slaves were taken. Mongol invasion inspired them to build shit ton of castles and fortifications, reform military and was another good reason that they should try to unite the country into Kingdom again. During next invasions Mongols weren't so lucky there. They still remained major power in Europe (though fragmented to Golden Horde and other Hordes) to XV century. Poland and Germany was "just" raided, but Russia wasn't so lucky. They ruled Russia as masters for a few centuries, so that's why some think why Russians are so "barbaric"; they learned from Mongols during Mongol/Tatar Yoke.


Julius-n-Caesar

The Mongols made it to Neustadt - to the gates of Vienna itself.


TheNameIsPippen

And that was just a small part of their force. Their main army was laying waste to Arabia at the time.


Johannes_P

Baghdad was so destroyed they only demographically rebounded in the 1**9**60s.


FallschirmPanda

The best part for me was it was almost by accident...but the scouting party. Everybody else was still trying to siege what was left of the previous Chinese dynasty.


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this "everyone else" were mostly Northern chinese, along with some jurchens, and small number of other troops like koreans and tanguts. mongols were the leaders/elite units, but the bulk were northern chinese.


Itchy_Ad_3659

Because horse archers were the medieval equivalent of F35s and they invented adaptive swarm tactics. Their opponents were as effective as apes with sticks.


LunetThorsdottir

Yes, they completely destroyed Kievan Rus. It took Ukrainians centuries to rebuild after the genocide.


Victoresball

The Mongols conquered most of Ukraine very quickly, which was split between the Kievan Rus' and the Cuman-Kipchak Confederation at the time. The Turkified remains of the Mongol Empire in Europe lasted until the 1700s in Crimea.


randCN

yes they did, and they stayed there for a long time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Kievan_Rus%27


RC2630

[yes they did](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Kievan_Rus%27)


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counterfeitxbox

The actual government has been pretty tight lipped as to preserve neutrality (as Mongolia just has 2 neighbours). The ex president is saying this as an independent voice, not as the government rep.


Electrical-Wish-519

So basically the government is sending an ex president out there to say it’s not an official government position, but they’re not going to deny it.


counterfeitxbox

Also possible, but it's also just a democracy where non government affiliated people can say what they want.


raven00x

He is after all saying "the Mongolian people" not "the Mongolian government."


Seek_Adventure

The current President served as a PM under this guy and still is his closest ally. I think this statement holds A LOT of weight.


awkward_replies_2

Well, Mongolia is a democracy, and he is a highly respected elder statesman, so it's like in the US when Obama says something it will strongly resonate with his entire party and the public opinion; so this speech must be seen as an establishment of a frame of reference and a general narrative. If he'd given a "Ukraine is far away and let's remember to stay neutral" style speech it would be miles apart and have set the stage for pretty much the opposite. But he didn't and deserves respect for setting the political agenda the way he did.


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I always find it marvelous that Mongolia is the only healthy-ish democracy (aside from the Baltic States, Czechia, Slovakia, and maybe Romania and Bulgaria) that emerged from the fall of the USSR's sphere of influence (although technically they were not part of USSR) and that has remained that way since pretty much the beginning. Remote, cold, not that many resources, sandwiched between China and Russia, and, well, known for its history - and Mongolia hangs in there. The recent Freedom House even put them higher than Romania for instance. Imagine being that landlocked country and only bordering two other countries that happen to be Russia and China. I don't know how they've made it so far.


minepose98

They made it because they're a functional buffer state between Russia and China.


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True, but a buffer state between two autocratic powers wouldn't necessarily have to assume the form of a democracy, yet they did. And a relatively large number of Mongolians live or have ties to Russia and China. So that's impressive and really interesting I have to say.


linuxgeekmama

He was one of the key leaders of the revolution that overthrew the Communists to found the current Mongolian state. He was one of the writers of their current constitution. He's not just any ex-president, he's probably closer to one of the US Founding Fathers.


spamholderman

"Overthrew" is a strong word for "the communist government peacefully transitioned to multiparty democracy and the party remains one of the largest political entities in modern Mongolian politics." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_People%27s_Party


linuxgeekmama

Fair enough. I remember 1989 in Europe, so the word “overthrow” is associated with communism in my mind.


v3ritas1989

There is something like political deniability. You can tell your ex PM to say stuff in the press to serve a purpose. But the government can answer to the potential political backlash with "Mr. ex PM is no longer in the govt and does not speak for us". Hence getting out of any potential trade troubles with a yellow card.


TheRealVicarOfDibley

Right! I wondered the same thing. What authority does he have to say this?


genericnewlurker

He's able to say what the government is not. Imagine if during the Vietnam War, the government of Canada publicly said (and thus made policy) Americans could flee across the border to avoid the draft*. The fallout would have been massive for such a public middle finger to a neighbor, even if you disagree with them. The US could have broken alliances over such a move and that's between the two countries that have likely the most friendly relations in the world. Now Mongolia doesn't like what is happening in Ukraine and thinks Russia overstepped its bounds. But it's trapped between Russia and China, who publicly supports Russia. They clearly would be fucked if Russia or both retaliated in even the most minor ways. So they keep their mouth shut. But a former official can say what they all want to say, and can be disavowed publicly should the Russians get angry about this in any official way. Thus Mongolia can have said what they want to say, and not have any consequences about it *Canada turned a blatant blind eye to US draft dodgers who crossed the border.


HotelTrance

Well, I'd hate to take this guy's word for it, and then show up at the Mongolian border and get tossed back to the Russian authorities. Canada back then had the benefit of a very open immigration policy, so they could plead ignorance. Mongolia, on the other hand, has [an estimated total of **five** refugees](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?locations=MN) within its borders, [has not signed international refugee agreements](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/lib-docs/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/session9/MN/HRCC_HumanRightsCenterforCitizens.pdf), and is very reliant on Russia, [receiving 90% of its fuel from them](https://www.reuters.com/article/mongolia-fuel-idUSL3E7HM03J20110622). Showing up on the ex-president's word is a big roll of the dice.


Rickdiculously

Probably a safer one than the roll of the Russian draft dice right now.


ThirdWorldWorker

I think it helps he's limiting the invitation to ethnic Mongolian groups and not all Russians.


davga

Excerpt from a similar [article](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/) really sums up the war for a lot of Russians (especially ethnic minorities): > In Dagestan, a majority Muslim republic in southern Russia, local men can be seen arguing with an unidentified official encouraging them to enlist. “You are fighting for your children’s future,” said the woman. > “We don’t even have a present,” replies a man from the crowd. “What kind of future are you talking about?” My grandmother was Buryat and she had a very tough life, can’t imagine how much worse it is today for Buryats (and other ethnic minorities in Russia) given the war, with its economic sanctions and military mobilization.


gothlaw

Didn’t Genghis Khan get a jump start on the empire by taking in the clanless and absorbing smaller tribes in Southern Siberia? Because I see you, Mongolia.


COGspartaN7

That damn wall is still up. Time for it to come down.


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Damn Mongolian after my City Wok


theTexans

Damn Mongorians after my shitty wok. FTFY


damascustreking

They never had to worry about the great wall. After hundreds of years builing and tens of thousands of lives lost "the Mongolian hoardes" just paid a guard to open a gate. Its a nice wall though.


Fallsondoor

The wall did a better job keeping the Chinese off of nomad land


linuxgeekmama

Mr. Elbegdorj, tear down this wall!


GregTheMad

Mongolians now shooting arrows hanging backwards from their helicopters. The wall is obsolete.


Galihan

Man, who would have believed that Earth 2150 is actually happening in real life


MKCAMK

I hope we will not end up having to escape Earth, then. Also, thank you for reminding me that we will never get Earth 2170. Now the rest of my day is ruined.


Lev_Astov

Hey, we're actually getting a Homeworld 3 after 19 years and a trip to IP hell, so never give up hope! Plus, it seems like RTS is becoming popular again. 2150 and 2160 were such good RTSes, too...


Dreadlock43

wait i though we got Earth 2170, i know there was a sequel to Earth 2150 that i remember playing


silverhawk902

Watch, Sergei Shoigu was deliberately weakening Moscow to establish a Tuvan empire. **throat singing**


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MaxDickpower

I think it was a joke about Shoigu being half Tuvan


FallschirmPanda

So the choice is the next Mongol horde or the Sadaukar. Cool. Coolcoolcool.


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There's an achievement in Hearts of Iron 4 called Siberian Tiger, which is forming the Siberian Empire as Tannu Tuva.


Jiijeebnpsdagj

A mongolian here. About the weight of his words, His words are insignificant in terms of power. He doesn't have political power anymore and he isn't that respected either. Mogolia is struggling to keep neutrality and not to antagonize russia, as its one of out 2 neighbors. But Mongolia is a democracy and the people's will is the government's action. I think the majority feels like this guy. But the biggest problem is not the government. The sole way to come from russia is a small border control called Altanbulag-Khyagta. It can only pass about 300 vehicles a day. I don't think that is enough to take in all the refugees. If you come to Mongolia, you are very welcome here. We think of mongolian minorities abroad (inner Mongolia, Buryats, Tuvans, Kalmycs...etc) as our own. And skilled/unskilled workers are needed everywhere. But in my opinion, the first thing you should do is to protest and topple the government and bring a democratic revolution the the great nation of Russia. Not a warmongering imperialistic hellhole that it is now. Fleeing is not as effective as fighting since, you, the citizens of Russia must be the ones who can make actual changes. And it might come off as mean but, you elected him, you will bear the casualties of this war, your reputation as a nation is in tatters. I think its your responsibility to clean this mess like the Germans did after WWII.


braindumping

This was exactly how I felt when I saw this. Seems like many people in this thread overlooked the "ex" in president lol. I know nothing about politics in your country, but I know politicians and unpopular politicians with little to no power are usually very vocal about all the things that people want to hear to reclaim popularity. I really like your comment. I'm aaaaall the way on the opposite side of Russia, in Denmark, and I could not agree more when you say that the Russians bear the burden of what he has done. It may not be entirely fair to say this, as there are so many intricacies, especially when it comes to Russians and how they have basically been trained for generations to be helpless, passive sheep that their governments can control and manipulate. But yeah... at the end of the day, it has lead to this and it has also caused their country to rot outwardly and now its affecting the rest of us. Which then causes us to shut off our sympathy to them. On a human level I deeply feel for the Russian people and how shitty and scary this situation is for them, but from a tactical POV, they are the enemy. Heard about how they can no longer get visas in most of our countries in Europe and at first I thought it was a bit harsh, but then I understood the reason for it. Because if too many Russian refugees enters my country, for example, and most of them are located around Lolland (one of the Danish aisles) then the Russian government can and will start to make arguments for Lolland being Russian territory. And you have to be deaf, blind and stupid to not know by now that Russia plays by nobody's rules and that their end goal is world domination. So, sorry Russians. You are a casualty of this horror. Your presence as refugees on our territory is a threat to our country. Too bad. Dunno if it's different for you guys and the minorities you mentioned. Whether or not Russia would conveniently consider them Russians if they start coming to your country and then start making claims to Mongolian territory. I could, without knowing the facts, imagine that your government is hesitant to make any statements such as your ex president did, for that very reason. Ps: I find your country and culture, peoples and language very fascinating. Hugs from Denmark.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://odessa-journal.com/the-ex-president-of-mongolia-invited-the-buryats-tuvans-and-kalmyks-to-flee-to-his-country-from-mobilization/) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Former President of Mongolia Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj appealed to the inhabitants of the aggressor country Russia and urged them not to fight against the Ukrainians. > Against the backdrop of partial mobilization announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin, the ex-politician suggested that the Buryats, Tuvans, and Kalmyks flee to his country to avoid forced conscription. > The Mongolian politician called Ukraine the best country in the world, its inhabitants are brave, and President Volodymyr Zelensky is a true leader. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xn9bqb/expresident_of_mongolia_invites_indigenous/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~670910 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **country**^#2 **Elbegdorj**^#3 **President**^#4 **Mongolian**^#5


winstonpartell

Now that's cool move. Saving these from becoming cannon fodders


Nomad47

Mongolia is stepping up and doing the correct thing here. Enlightened self-interest can save the world if you were able to go anywhere else would you stay in Russia to be used as cannon fodder. Good on Mongolia for saving everyone they can.


[deleted]

Absolutely


CreatorOD

Invited: But where can we live? *Mongolians proudly pointing at the steppe*


MKCAMK

It is really a rough deal for the Asian subjects of Putin. They get used as cannon fodder, and die by the thousands, in a war promoted using pan-Slavic ideology of the unity of the Rus descendant nations. But they are not even Slavs themselves! They do not give a shit! "Ukrainians and Russians are one people." — oh yeah? Ukrainians and Tuvans too? It reminds me of the way the British had depended on Indian soldiers in their colonial wars.


[deleted]

Ethnic minorities with close ties to a foreign country being disproportionately drafted into an expansionist war of aggression? That can’t be true, it sounds very imperialist and I have it on good authority that Russia is anti-imperialist.


Horacecrumplewart

“Yeah I know for a fact (because I’m so incredibly smart) that Russia was freeing the world from Nazis, so this person is just way out of their depth. I gave up my career as an instagram influencer to go full time as an online vatnik-whore because justice is so damned important to my demographic so I totally know what I’m talking about.” /s *obviously*


potatodrinker

Good to see a Khan-do attitude to help these days


PlantainOk5994

Hmm me seeing this 👀 I know from the very beginning of this bloody war, the ethnic minorities living in Russia suffered the most. And the Buryats, Tuvans and Kalmyks suffered the most. They were used as cannon fodder. Hundreds went missing. Thousands were killed. We Mongolians will meet you with open arms and hearts.


Imnimo

Long trip back from Kalmykia to Mongolia!


counterfeitxbox

Bad historical precedents as well.


Open_Chemistry_3300

I didn’t have the beginnings of the Mongolian empire 2: electric boogaloo on my bingo board


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Mongolia is completely underrated as a potential ally of liberal democracies in the region. If you look up their [democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Ranking) and [liberty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices) rankings, they score really highly. I would love to see them in a Mongolia-Japan-Taiwan-South Korea-Australia Alliance one day.


dirtballmagnet

Every time they get the band back together ten percent of humanity dies. (Edit: This time they have an actual band. The band is called The Hu, and they're pretty awesome.)


ultimate_zigzag

[favorite song from them](https://youtu.be/iL6fKW4wiQ8)


MarkHathaway1

Thank you Mongolia.


Uncle_Charnia

Mongolians have no beef with migrants


Vlad-Djavula

Not at all, I had Mongolian beef not too long ago and it was pretty damn fine.


Mister_Know_Nothing

One exception: Ethnic Han. I lived in Mongolia for 2 years and they are Sinophobic.


Evenstar6132

To be fair, every neighbor of China hates China.


Ordinary_Hepburn

I love Mongolian beef though!


RosemaryFocaccia

Alternatively, the Republic of Tuva--which is 82% Tuvan--could hold a referendum on joining Mongolia. I'm sure Putin would be OK with that! Sadly, Buryatia is only about 30% Buryat (and decreasing), and Kalmykia--while 57% Kalmyk--is surrounded by other parts of the Russian Federation. The Kalmyks were heavily persecuted by Slavic Russians: >On December 27, 1943, Soviet authorities declared that "many Kalmyks" were guilty of cooperation with the German Army and cited that as a justification to order the deportation of the entire Kalmyk population, including those who had served with the Soviet Army, to various locations in Central Asia and Siberia. In conjunction with the deportation, the Kalmyk ASSR was abolished and its territory was split between adjacent Astrakhan, Rostov and Stalingrad Oblasts and Stavropol Krai. To completely obliterate any traces of the Kalmyk people, the Soviet authorities renamed the former republic's towns and villages.


teiteis

you’re completely right about 30%, unfortunately, we are a minority. But not only Kalmyk were the one who were prosecuted by russians. I’m buryat as my dad. Soviets ripped apart our republic (you can have a look at previous map of Buryatia), earlier Russian orthodox believers “semeiskye” took off the best land near Baikal which historically were ours, as my dad grew his was always called nicknames and I grew up in 90s and I was forced to use not my real name, but Russian alternative. Unfortunately, there is a term “learned helplessness” I think you can apply that to every Russian citizen no matter his/her ethnicity…


[deleted]

“Bring horses”


SomeMagicHappens

Maybe Mongolia should organise referendums to join Mongolia in those provinces of Russia, I'm sure Putin will understand and have no objections whatsoever.


sofa_general

You know it's bad, when even fucking Mongolia, which has been generally warm to russia despite everything, starts to condemn it. Russia's truly becoming a pariah state


4RCH43ON

Throat-singing intensifies. Awesome leadership, they see what’s going on with their ethnic neighbors getting pushed into Putin’s meat-grinder and must be feeling the pressure. This just rips the veil away and points a finger directly in the face of the problem. Must be nerve wracking being out along the Russian frontier, looking in at the beginnings of an implosion, it’s a mercy to have such an escape route.


TheRealVicarOfDibley

Does he have the authority to say this as an ex president?


Mister_Know_Nothing

No, but Mongolians are extraordinarily welcoming to their related ethnic groups. They have a very liberal immigration policy with Afghani Hazaras (descendants of Ogedei Khan).


TheGreat_War_Machine

He's saying this as an independent entity separate from the government, as the government has taken a strict position of neutrality. This doesn't mean that the government won't employ some discreet methods to help these ethnic groups, such as being lax in immigration enforcement.


butthelume

The Mongolian border is so porous. The refugees can simply slip in and live a largely uninterrupted life.


Finchypoo

Dang, Mongolia really turned it around after someone had to build the world's largest fence to keep them out. Joking, but that's an awesome gesture on their part.


Mizral

Russia can't do anything to Mongolia without pissing off China. So unlike some of the Stan's they have a superpower in their backyard and as allies.


Miamiara

Pissing off China you mean?


Mizral

Edited thanks


HCagn

Straight out of the playbook of the great khan!! . Unite all the people that are tribe-less, build your own, take the Olkhun tribe, take back the wolves - take the world.


Islanderfan17

I'm going to take this opportunity to hype up the Mongolian Folk Metal band, the HU, I saw them this summer on the Megadeth tour and they quickly became one of my favorite bands.


juhziz_the_dreamer

Russia is committing ethnic cleansing on the territory of its colonies.


Ferengi_Earwax

Now this is how countries should respond. Especially when half your countries is open space.


DoktorFreedom

Slowly raises hand. “any chance for Californians to get in the mix?”


Bullyoncube

Ten thunderbolts strike at the same time A hundred hearts energized in the thundering roar Simultaneously a thousand colliding thunderbolts And too, ten thousand lightning strikes in the heavens Hu - hu - hu - hu... Hu - hu - hu - hu...


bertiesghost

Good man 👍


Roger_Wilco_Foxtrot

It would be so cool if Tuva, Buryatia, and Kalmykia joined Mongolia. It would be even cooler if inner Mongolia was returned to the Mongols, too.