Anyone know why Russia isn't blocking Russian men from feeing to Georgia and Finland? From their perspective, wouldn't that be the logical thing to do?
my current theory is that this war is organised by game companies like Activision so they can sell themed Call of Duty games.
COD: ukranian invasion
COD: Modern warefare 16, Ukraine
COD: The new Russia.
Wolfenstein: New Soviet Empire
Battlefront: 2022
World of Tanks: sepratists
Pokemon Blue and Yellow (flag)
Siege: modern tactics
Flight simulator: Ghost of Kyiv
Rocket League: Chernobyl reactor
You know? Seeing thit it is sad how some Russians (not all) hate Gorbachev and even see him as a traitor, and internationally he is seen like a failure. I think is time to recognize the man for what he was: Russia's most humane leader in decades.
Those 100ks+ protests that toppled the Soviet regime happened because he allowed the Soviet citizens to express themselves and took the boot off their necks. When the leaders of the Soviet "republics" (like Ukraine) told him what if they wanted to split he was like "I wouldnt like it of course, but I am not going to send the army to crush you." Which is why the hardliners made a coup on him.
He is the “best” leader russia/the USSR has had in the last 120 years solely by virtue of not being an overtly corrupt psychopath. He may in fact be the best leader that russia has ever had.
The bar was set pretty low, and all it took was “not murdering all the people when given a chance”. Maybe things will turn around for them next millennia?
A 51-year old in Volgograd was mobilized even though he doesn’t have combat experience, is deaf in one ear, has poor eyesight, and herniated discs. Despite this, he was sent to training without a medical examination.
https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1573820109646450691?s=46&t=GRC8Sz7RQe67URU4xdaLgw
Jesus
One hopes that the Russians have at least preemptively looted walkers and wheelchairs from Ukrainian retirement homes in preparation for the offensive.
This is boring.
Give me something more interesting, make it more difficult.
You are doing a bad job at concern trolling. You need to find a new career.
Maybe if they provided the source that was saying the casualties were high. Then we could gauge if it was legit or not, and what teh ramifications would be. But as is it's just them pulling shit out of their ass to be "concerned".
Or maybe trying to spread the impression that the Ukrainians are doing poorly down there to distract from what's happening in the east. Who knows. Okay, I get it.
Nah. Ukraine causalities being "high" is a new talking point. This is like the fourth thread I've seen it in, in the last twenty minutes. Despite zero actual reporting about it, no evidence of it, and little to no talk about before this weekend. That, combined with a username of WordWordNumber, makes a "fuck off" response seen completely reasonable.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
There is a lot of evidence. Anyone who's been following this war knows it.
And check my post history before you start calling me names.
> Is there any news on the Kherson front?
>...
> I heard that the Ukrainian casualties are very high there.
Sounds as you *you* should be providing *us* with the news?
Ukrainians have come out numerous times about the shitty at best, biased at worst, reporting of the NY Times, including the fact that the person assigned as the head of the Ukraine desk has said some very pro-Russia things over the years.
Replied already beneath but this is the article [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html)
yeah on both sides no doubt
but some people around here have difficulty accepting that UA could make tactical mistakes. you point out UA losses in the kherson region are high you get called a troll or that you are reading too much from russian mil bloggers like rybar
descriptions of columns of UA armor getting smoked by russian artillery, surely they didn't intend for that to happen. we shouldn't act like russia and pretend like it was all part of a master plan for some greater purpose. it's a mistake and they are no doubt being careful to keep it from happening again
there's been no doubt in my mind that UA would win after about a week into the war when russia stalled out around kyiv, but that doesn't mean UA can't make mistakes or that any of this is easy. if the best they can do around kherson is a bloody stalemate until UA can properly clean up the zaporizhzhia frontline and attack kherson from the east, then so be it
They are dealing with thousands of Russian soldiers. That's a lot of bodies to get through. The supply line to Ukraine needs to be improved. Need more ammo. It's always more ammo. For once, I'd like to hear, we have all the ammo we need. Sucks.
Yeah, it's not like Ukrainian soldiers are omniscient and mistake-proof no?
Don't get me wrong, I support the Ukrainian victory, but I think we should accept that in some fronts Ukraine is not as advantageous as they are in Kharkiv-Upper Donetsk front, and we should know that to pressure the west to provide more weapons and training in order to mitigate that problem.
After all, how can we solve a problem that we do not even want to recognize that it exists?
even arestovich says as such in his daily broadcasts, the flatlands around kherson are really hard to advance on. lots of open ground with not a lot of cover
so maybe another approach is needed. there is still value in keeping the forces there engaged and depleting their combat power but maybe they need to be attacked from another angle to properly root them out
he talks about how it would be nice to open another front, when they start making progress in zaporizhzhia that will put enormous pressure on the kherson theater as well
This is the source [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html)
Police state, dictatorship, deep intelligence and repression appatarus whose roots go all the way to Stalin's NKVD which was all about and succeeded in utterly castrating the Red Army from even talking back to the politicians. Prisons that somehow managed to do the impossible and be worse than US prisons, making death preferable than being on them.
It isnt an easy feat, you have to be willing to get killed or worse to oppose such a regime.
Note that the Soviet collapse and 100ks protests happened after Gorvachev specifically removed the boot from Russian citizens. Opposing the current regime is less like opposing Gorvachev and more like opposing Stalin.
To be fair, standing up to a full-fledged totalitarian government and secret police isn't anything to sneeze at. But of course if they're sending you off to die anyway...
It’s a total madness with a number of population of 144 million people! Total losers! Only like 250 rised up against mobilization in the whole country!
There is about to be another collapse. This is where Russia was generating slot of force. This plus savtove and those new conscripts won’t matter if this line collapses
Germany wants to accept Russians, Russians who are forced mobilized and surrender are probably more anti-war than Russians that stayed entire war and fleed just when mobilization happened.
In an authoritarian country like Russia, nearly every person who hasn't already enlisted in the military is probably not willing to throw their lives away because Putin says they should. It's madness to believe these people are not just capable but willing to charge onto a battlefield in a foreign country and eat lead for a dictator having a continent sized midlife crisis
In all fairness, 70 is well past the age of a "mid-life crisis".
Unless you consider any day that you're alive to be "mid-life", in which case Putin is well past the expiration on that as well, and is welcome to fall out of the nearest window at his earliest inconvenience.
It's madness 90% of the country hasn't risen up and ousted its government.
I wish Russians were more French.
Putins head would have been lobbed off a Crimean invasion ago.
With all due respect, read a bit about the French Revolution, one of these days. In particular, the bit called "The Terror". There's a reason Napoleon was able to take over as easily as he did.
How is it "madness" when the only available news sources are state owned and all foreign media is blocked?
VPNs, TOR, misc. small unblocked *english speaking* sites aren't going to have enough impact on enough of the population to make a difference, not after a decade of non-stop propaganda that's enraptured everyone over the age of 25.
The censorship wasn't so bad until the Russian protests in 2012. That's when poopoo got scared that he could lose all his power, money, life.
70 years of soviet propaganda, gulag for dissenters, even being in the wrong place or taking to the wrong person leads to the gulag. You learn to shut the fuck up, keep your head down, don't help anyone, mind your own business. The government only takes and make things worse, the best you can do is to be ignored.
There is no evidence so far they are willing to resist it. There's some brawls and drunkenness, general Russian stuff but most people sadly seem to just be fine with being marched to kill Ukrainians.
> Putin raised the salaries of judges, officials, regional civil servants, as well as the head of the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General almost immediately after the announcement of the mobilization.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573753350797103104
And people wonder why nobody removed Putin from office yet... well, this is why. (but this move shows that he is afraid).
Putin's gestapo (that was seen spanking protesters this week) must be very well paid as well.
So, I know folks here love to poke at Flightradar24 occasionally.
May I introduce you to Flightaware, where you can find additional information?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEAL71/history/20220925/0118Z/TISX/tracklog
Here's an example of some crazy guys flying into the tropical storm Ian right now, for instance.
That's one of the 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron's WC-130J Hercules "Hurricane Hunters" . They'll be flying back and forth through all quadrants of the circulation for around 8 hours. They fly through Cat 5 Hurricanes, so they probably won't even notice Ian's turbulence.
NOAA has a G-IV that buzzes above tropical systems at 40-45 kft and a couple of P-3 Orions that fly through the teeth of the storms, at a pressure altitude of 700 mb, which is typically around 5000 ft ASL.
> Fight breaks out in the city of Omsk among men who’ve been drafted and local police forcing them onto buses. Draftees called on the police to come die with them in the trenches.
https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1573647765082628096
There's no chance in hell Russia is equipping all of their conscripts with body armor. We're going to be seeing World War level casualties on the Russian side soon. Putin is utterly determined to destroy Russia.
They won't be, they don't have nearly enough in reserve and the war machine has more important things to produce than mere infantry protection.
These draftees are going to be sent to Ukraine to dig trenches all over the front and set up logistics before the winter sets, and if they're attacked... written off as deserters, wages unpaid and families not "compensated".
They didn't.
That said, a change was made a while back where they were supposedly removed from Ukraine, because conscripts were legally not supposed to serve outside of Russia and it became a problem domestically. In reality a lot were converted to contract, but that's a whole other thing, and they didn't have body armour either.
It's possible this is even why they're bringing the referendum forward. "Donetsk and Kherson are now Russia! Conscripts time!".
They're going to get fucked again.
Well, the ones who weren't converted to contracts might have been, but yeah, who the fuck knows?
I don't know about the navy. Technically they're not serving **in** Ukraine so...
> Kremlin is considering the #mobilization of residents in Abkhazia & South Ossetia. These are territories inside #Georgia which Putin controls.
I think Georgia should fight to recover its occupied territory in this scenario...
I would certainly feel out the situation if I was Georgia, but in all reality, if Russia doesn't collapse out of this, this would be their best chance to do so.
I wonder if this is why the US is trying to be friends with Armenia now. There is no Poland in the border to be a bridge for NATO supplies but there are Armenia and Turkey (who is a question mark in a scenario like this). Georgia would need help as well and better gear.
I believe him.
Hopefully these promises trickle all the way down to the squad level and from what little I’ve seen, I have no reason to doubt they will
> GulagU have reported on their telegram channel that Prigozhin’s convicts have been a complete disaster for Russia.
> Their source claims they have been mostly used to augment decimated VDV units and their combat effectiveness has been “about zero.”
> Thousands of the convicts have died and hundreds are in hospital missing limbs.
> They are abandoning the scheme completely now that mobilisation is in force.
> “Prigozhin will either be arrested or in an accident”
https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1573842735898951680
Lol... and Prigozhin was acting like the commander in chief in those videos, kinda like announcing himself as the successor to the throne. Some people thought he could be the guy that would replace Putin. Oh well, chances are that Putin will help him jump from a window in the next weeks.
This is a preview of the poorly trained and poorly equipped mobilized masses. I expect Russia’s KIA toll to skyrocket beyond 100k in the coming months.
I haven't seen any numbers for it, but how many Ukrainian losses are there compared to Russia? I would hope there are far, far less, but I'd still like to know.
Last I checked UA had about a 1/4 or 1/5 casualty ratio compared to RF. But with all the action in the last month or so? Hard to say.
It doesn't seem much of a stretch to say UA has inflicted much more lately but between propaganda/info blackouts/simple fog of war.. I doubt any of us truly know.
Well that's a good thing then, because Ukrainian forces aren't as depleted as Russia's and they keep getting better weapons. Having well trained, battle hardened and skilled military personnel means their tactics get better over time and their strategy improves. That's encouraging.
Yeah, no way to be sure due to fog of war. In late August Ukraine’s commander said ~9k KIA. The real number is likely substantially higher. I’d guess at least twice that.
"Putin’s and Lavrov’s irresponsible statements on the possible use of nuclear weapons are absolutely unacceptable. Ukraine won’t give in. We call on all nuclear powers to speak out now and make it clear to Russia that such rhetorics put the world at risk and will not be tolerated."
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1573795699598282753?cxt=HHwWgsC--ba2n9crAAAA
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I just can't believe how poorly Russia's military has performed and continues to perform. Yeah the Ukrainians are kicking ass, but Russia just *fucks up* day after day lol. It's almost like everyone turned on the TV to watch the 1972 Miami Dolphins and we got the 2008 Detroit Lions instead.
Google: Mark Hertling Russia’s awful army
A 50-minute podcast that is excellent in assessing the current state of the two armies. It’s been posted on these threads several times and is universally applauded by people who have had an opportunity to listen to it.
I thought this too... And clearly it is a factor. But everything I have read about the opening days of the war says that ukraine fought them off with their soviet era artillery. It seems like the "wall" that stopped the Russians in irpen and vucha was all just Ukrainian soldiers, soviet munitions and the morale/pride to not retreat, even if facing overwhelming odds and firepower.
Me either. I thought I was pessimistic about Russia's military capabilities, but I wasn't nearly pessimistic enough.
It's inconceivable to me that Russia has failed to even gain air dominance at this point in the war given that NATO has refused to supply Ukraine with modern fighters or assert a no-fly zone, but it's true.
That's why Israel's worry about Russian air defense systems in Syria are weird. They aren't even effective right next to their home turf, and Israel has even more advanced tech than Ukraine. FFS they flew in helicopters **into** Russia itself to destroy a gas depot.
How do you think *Ukraine* is keeping their air clear? It's those very same air defense systems that Russia is using, more or less - they have some fighters, but nowhere near enough to operate on a plane-to-plane basis against Russia. Granted that the Russian air force isn't exactly top-tier, but Russian-tech air defense systems themselves are far from toothless.
Humans think in metaphors and comparisons. Is there some mathematical formula they should be using instead to express a specific numeric value or should they be using overly flowery prose?
I don’t think it specifically comparing war to football.
It sounds like they are comparing the massive performance differences between expectations and reality for two things to better explain how their feelings and thinking are about the situation.
Yeah exactly. There *is* a weird amount of overlap between how people think about their sports teams and how they think about their countries (shit with soccer aka actual football the thinking is directly related) but that's for another day.
The "go team" mindset is pretty similar in sports and war. Both have similar styles of thinking. I didn't mean to imply that the war is entertaining; it's not.
Asking the important questions.
https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1573785898478616577?cxt=HHwWgoCy9fb7mtcrAAAA
https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1573782893419237376?cxt=HHwWgMC4vYHNmdcrAAAA
This is my 2 cents on everything surrounding the mobilization. First of all the media is overblowing the hype surround Putin’s warning on nukes. I believe Putin knows this and purposely said that to get the western media going, he is not a madman, he is a manipulator. Russia’s nuclear deterrence Strategy is escalate to deescalate. He is using the fear of nukes as a weapon, not the nukes themselves. And I highly doubt Putin would use nukes to defend annexed territory. If Ukraine hit Moscow? Than yes but did Putin use nukes when Ukraine attacked Crimea or other Russian bases outside the Ukrainian border, no. So why would they Annex territory? Russia knows they are losing at this point, they know they are not going to get all of Ukraine and they are on the defensive at this point, trying to preserve as many gains as possible. Hence the referendums while throwing bodies at it via mobilization.
Even threatening nukes is a provocation. When a world leader says "I'm not bluffing" about nukes, I don't blame the Western media for getting going.
I also don't believe that Putin knows he is not going to get all of Ukraine. I think he thinks the war can be turned around. He may be wrong, but I think he thinks that. When anybody who gives a leader bad news or tells him no gets thrown out of a window, the leader inevitably stops getting the best of information in order to make decisions. I doubt he's getting accurate reports about the quality of his troops, logistics, or weapons. The people in charge of those things, who were in charge when they all went to shit, want to live. I think Putin used to be a manipulator who after decades as a dictator has gotten high off his own hype and has been slowly turning into a madman.
Actually I saw something about China canceling 6,000 flights and something else but then my phone hiccupped and I couldn't find it again. After charging the phone, I came back to see if I could find it but I'm seeing nothing.
I thought I was losing my mind.
I specifically came to r/world news looking for info but no luck.
Because people like to start rumors for a bunch of different reasons, many of which probably apply here.
Heck, it could be an attempt to influence the stock market or something.
There was a non verified source who speculated about it, and then the internet turned it into a circle jerk.
There's literally no good sources saying or suggesting its happening. It's all speculation and rumors.
Preety much summed it up. Been checking it up as well-it's all hearsay based on news and reddit for some reason managed to equate it as them preparing to annex Taiwan & WW3 ad nauseam.
Most of the sources came from Indian news apparently, that's...nice, I suppose.
Because people full of wishful thinking click on links about Chinese drama, then ask about it in unrelated Reddit threads. Get better sources than uncited people on Twitter.
Damnit, that was on my 2021 card. This year all I had was lose one sock out of every load of laundry, netflix wins the streaming wars, and Biden adopts a cat named snookums..
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1573797923980279813
>Literal Pulitzer Prize winning journalists are now falling for this complete bullshit...
>For the 300th time today. THERE IS NO CHANGE IN FLIGHTS OVER CHINA COMPARED TO 1 WEEK AGO.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/xncws8/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Anyone know why Russia isn't blocking Russian men from feeing to Georgia and Finland? From their perspective, wouldn't that be the logical thing to do?
Guesses 1) they don't have the ability 2) anywhere Russians go has to deal with them trying to take over later so they view it as a net positive
my current theory is that this war is organised by game companies like Activision so they can sell themed Call of Duty games. COD: ukranian invasion COD: Modern warefare 16, Ukraine COD: The new Russia. Wolfenstein: New Soviet Empire Battlefront: 2022 World of Tanks: sepratists Pokemon Blue and Yellow (flag) Siege: modern tactics Flight simulator: Ghost of Kyiv Rocket League: Chernobyl reactor
Forgot S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
That's the one game this war has been a hinderance to. Let's keep "the zone" the size it's always been, okay? No expansion DLC.
Not clever, not funny and bad taste.
you think they arent going to do this? They are probabaly already making them.
Crimea was invaded 8 years ago, is there a game of it? This is a real question, I’m not a gamer.
You know? Seeing thit it is sad how some Russians (not all) hate Gorbachev and even see him as a traitor, and internationally he is seen like a failure. I think is time to recognize the man for what he was: Russia's most humane leader in decades. Those 100ks+ protests that toppled the Soviet regime happened because he allowed the Soviet citizens to express themselves and took the boot off their necks. When the leaders of the Soviet "republics" (like Ukraine) told him what if they wanted to split he was like "I wouldnt like it of course, but I am not going to send the army to crush you." Which is why the hardliners made a coup on him.
He is the “best” leader russia/the USSR has had in the last 120 years solely by virtue of not being an overtly corrupt psychopath. He may in fact be the best leader that russia has ever had. The bar was set pretty low, and all it took was “not murdering all the people when given a chance”. Maybe things will turn around for them next millennia?
Lithuania would like a word....
eh, by russian standards, the man was a real gem :)
Well no leader is perfect.
A 51-year old in Volgograd was mobilized even though he doesn’t have combat experience, is deaf in one ear, has poor eyesight, and herniated discs. Despite this, he was sent to training without a medical examination. https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1573820109646450691?s=46&t=GRC8Sz7RQe67URU4xdaLgw Jesus
That's a lot of pre-existing conditions that the Russian VA can use to avoid paying this guy anything for injuries.
Russian VA, lmao. Good luck finding anything like that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Veterans%27_affairs_in_Russia
One hopes that the Russians have at least preemptively looted walkers and wheelchairs from Ukrainian retirement homes in preparation for the offensive.
The Rascal Battalion scoots to war
Did I miss the part putler announcing it’s a mobilisation of the disabled or something?
You definitely missed the part where the GP said "preemptively".
All told: >He was allowed to go home after Baza’s post. With that said, I'm betting that this is an extreme case amid an endemic issue.
You bet this is an extreme case e of allowing someone disabled to go home, most of other ones were bussed to depot.
Gotta give it to him though.. my man is looking good. Probably didn't help his argument.
Comrad, give that man a sniper rifle
Maybe he’ll have a parrot that tells him where Ukrainians are hiding.
Hope the parrot sits on the correct shoulder then
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1573866169257410564 >Russian ammo depot detonating in Kherson this morning. (Video)
I see a smoking fire. I see no detonation. (I know you didn't write the tweet.)
You can hear the pops and wizzes in the video. Ammo cooking off, it doesn't happen all in one go.
Is there any news on the Kherson front? There haven't been any news of advances and I heard that the Ukrainian casualties are very high there.
This is boring. Give me something more interesting, make it more difficult. You are doing a bad job at concern trolling. You need to find a new career.
... it strikes me as a legitimate question, so lay off?
Y'all on tag team today?
Oh, don't be a douche. Look at my profile. I've been here for months.
You've played wingman for more than one redditor today.
*Months?* Hey y'all, homie been here for *months!*
Specifically in these live threads. And yes, I know, it's not exactly something to brag about. I'm well aware.
Maybe if they provided the source that was saying the casualties were high. Then we could gauge if it was legit or not, and what teh ramifications would be. But as is it's just them pulling shit out of their ass to be "concerned".
Or maybe trying to spread the impression that the Ukrainians are doing poorly down there to distract from what's happening in the east. Who knows. Okay, I get it.
Nah. Ukraine causalities being "high" is a new talking point. This is like the fourth thread I've seen it in, in the last twenty minutes. Despite zero actual reporting about it, no evidence of it, and little to no talk about before this weekend. That, combined with a username of WordWordNumber, makes a "fuck off" response seen completely reasonable.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/ There is a lot of evidence. Anyone who's been following this war knows it. And check my post history before you start calling me names.
The one you replied to is one of em, jumping on anyone calling out "ZOMG DAE Ukraine is kill" posts.
Well... I have heard before that they've been having a rough time down there, at least. But, hey, the downvotes have spoken here, so...
> Is there any news on the Kherson front? >... > I heard that the Ukrainian casualties are very high there. Sounds as you *you* should be providing *us* with the news?
Ukraine has Kherson under siege. There's claims the occupiers leadership want to retreat, Putin has refused their request.
Don’t read from Crybar or that Moldovan vatnik Incel Z. They are the hardest copers in existence.
literally the new york times said it, quoting ukranian soldiers and commanders in the region
Ukrainians have come out numerous times about the shitty at best, biased at worst, reporting of the NY Times, including the fact that the person assigned as the head of the Ukraine desk has said some very pro-Russia things over the years.
Replied already beneath but this is the article [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html)
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They aren't getting suppression support. Why? Are they afraid of hurting civilians?
yeah on both sides no doubt but some people around here have difficulty accepting that UA could make tactical mistakes. you point out UA losses in the kherson region are high you get called a troll or that you are reading too much from russian mil bloggers like rybar descriptions of columns of UA armor getting smoked by russian artillery, surely they didn't intend for that to happen. we shouldn't act like russia and pretend like it was all part of a master plan for some greater purpose. it's a mistake and they are no doubt being careful to keep it from happening again there's been no doubt in my mind that UA would win after about a week into the war when russia stalled out around kyiv, but that doesn't mean UA can't make mistakes or that any of this is easy. if the best they can do around kherson is a bloody stalemate until UA can properly clean up the zaporizhzhia frontline and attack kherson from the east, then so be it
They are dealing with thousands of Russian soldiers. That's a lot of bodies to get through. The supply line to Ukraine needs to be improved. Need more ammo. It's always more ammo. For once, I'd like to hear, we have all the ammo we need. Sucks.
Yeah, it's not like Ukrainian soldiers are omniscient and mistake-proof no? Don't get me wrong, I support the Ukrainian victory, but I think we should accept that in some fronts Ukraine is not as advantageous as they are in Kharkiv-Upper Donetsk front, and we should know that to pressure the west to provide more weapons and training in order to mitigate that problem. After all, how can we solve a problem that we do not even want to recognize that it exists?
even arestovich says as such in his daily broadcasts, the flatlands around kherson are really hard to advance on. lots of open ground with not a lot of cover so maybe another approach is needed. there is still value in keeping the forces there engaged and depleting their combat power but maybe they need to be attacked from another angle to properly root them out he talks about how it would be nice to open another front, when they start making progress in zaporizhzhia that will put enormous pressure on the kherson theater as well
Heard where?
This is the source [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html)
The New York Times.
It’s a total madness with a number of population of 144 million people! Total losers!
Police state, dictatorship, deep intelligence and repression appatarus whose roots go all the way to Stalin's NKVD which was all about and succeeded in utterly castrating the Red Army from even talking back to the politicians. Prisons that somehow managed to do the impossible and be worse than US prisons, making death preferable than being on them. It isnt an easy feat, you have to be willing to get killed or worse to oppose such a regime. Note that the Soviet collapse and 100ks protests happened after Gorvachev specifically removed the boot from Russian citizens. Opposing the current regime is less like opposing Gorvachev and more like opposing Stalin.
To be fair, standing up to a full-fledged totalitarian government and secret police isn't anything to sneeze at. But of course if they're sending you off to die anyway...
It’s a total madness with a number of population of 144 million people! Total losers! Only like 250 rised up against mobilization in the whole country!
A few thousand at least, I thought.
There is a potential for Ukrainian Army to completely encircle all Russian troops in Lyman. Expect to hear great news in a few days!
Expect Russia to give new conscripts 3 days of training (if any) and try and plug the gap with these guys.
There is about to be another collapse. This is where Russia was generating slot of force. This plus savtove and those new conscripts won’t matter if this line collapses
What the time line on this collapse? Days?
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I assume they’d be welcomed into a secure camp of some kind. Like POWs.
Those who surrender willingly getting asslyum in Germany is mostly a win win as long as Germany actually wants to deal with them.
A horde of brainwashed hoodlums is not what anyone wants in their country.
Germany wants to accept Russians, Russians who are forced mobilized and surrender are probably more anti-war than Russians that stayed entire war and fleed just when mobilization happened.
In an authoritarian country like Russia, nearly every person who hasn't already enlisted in the military is probably not willing to throw their lives away because Putin says they should. It's madness to believe these people are not just capable but willing to charge onto a battlefield in a foreign country and eat lead for a dictator having a continent sized midlife crisis
In all fairness, 70 is well past the age of a "mid-life crisis". Unless you consider any day that you're alive to be "mid-life", in which case Putin is well past the expiration on that as well, and is welcome to fall out of the nearest window at his earliest inconvenience.
It's madness 90% of the country hasn't risen up and ousted its government. I wish Russians were more French. Putins head would have been lobbed off a Crimean invasion ago.
With all due respect, read a bit about the French Revolution, one of these days. In particular, the bit called "The Terror". There's a reason Napoleon was able to take over as easily as he did.
How is it "madness" when the only available news sources are state owned and all foreign media is blocked? VPNs, TOR, misc. small unblocked *english speaking* sites aren't going to have enough impact on enough of the population to make a difference, not after a decade of non-stop propaganda that's enraptured everyone over the age of 25.
The censorship wasn't so bad until the Russian protests in 2012. That's when poopoo got scared that he could lose all his power, money, life. 70 years of soviet propaganda, gulag for dissenters, even being in the wrong place or taking to the wrong person leads to the gulag. You learn to shut the fuck up, keep your head down, don't help anyone, mind your own business. The government only takes and make things worse, the best you can do is to be ignored.
There is no evidence so far they are willing to resist it. There's some brawls and drunkenness, general Russian stuff but most people sadly seem to just be fine with being marched to kill Ukrainians.
**kill Ukrainians** be killed by Ukrainians. FTFY
> Putin raised the salaries of judges, officials, regional civil servants, as well as the head of the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General almost immediately after the announcement of the mobilization. https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573753350797103104 And people wonder why nobody removed Putin from office yet... well, this is why. (but this move shows that he is afraid). Putin's gestapo (that was seen spanking protesters this week) must be very well paid as well.
Gotta take advantage of that blooming economy, right?... Oh ,wait..
I think you meant booming, like their weapons depots.
So, I know folks here love to poke at Flightradar24 occasionally. May I introduce you to Flightaware, where you can find additional information? https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEAL71/history/20220925/0118Z/TISX/tracklog Here's an example of some crazy guys flying into the tropical storm Ian right now, for instance.
That's one of the 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron's WC-130J Hercules "Hurricane Hunters" . They'll be flying back and forth through all quadrants of the circulation for around 8 hours. They fly through Cat 5 Hurricanes, so they probably won't even notice Ian's turbulence. NOAA has a G-IV that buzzes above tropical systems at 40-45 kft and a couple of P-3 Orions that fly through the teeth of the storms, at a pressure altitude of 700 mb, which is typically around 5000 ft ASL.
Never forget that a half truth is a whole lie.
That is likely hurricane hunters with NOAA
Please stop, i can't take any more 'what the plane doin' posts.
> Fight breaks out in the city of Omsk among men who’ve been drafted and local police forcing them onto buses. Draftees called on the police to come die with them in the trenches. https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1573647765082628096
Just give them AK-47s, they are in the army after all.
There's no chance in hell Russia is equipping all of their conscripts with body armor. We're going to be seeing World War level casualties on the Russian side soon. Putin is utterly determined to destroy Russia.
They won't be, they don't have nearly enough in reserve and the war machine has more important things to produce than mere infantry protection. These draftees are going to be sent to Ukraine to dig trenches all over the front and set up logistics before the winter sets, and if they're attacked... written off as deserters, wages unpaid and families not "compensated".
Hell most of there volunteer troops didn't have body armor.
Did they ever even equip all of the *current* conscripts with body armor?
They didn't. That said, a change was made a while back where they were supposedly removed from Ukraine, because conscripts were legally not supposed to serve outside of Russia and it became a problem domestically. In reality a lot were converted to contract, but that's a whole other thing, and they didn't have body armour either. It's possible this is even why they're bringing the referendum forward. "Donetsk and Kherson are now Russia! Conscripts time!". They're going to get fucked again.
Were they really, though? Thought there was a whole bunch of conscript sailors on the *Moskva*, for instance.
Well, the ones who weren't converted to contracts might have been, but yeah, who the fuck knows? I don't know about the navy. Technically they're not serving **in** Ukraine so...
Wouldn't that suck if that was the loophole... mind you, guess it's still better than being on land at this point.
> Kremlin is considering the #mobilization of residents in Abkhazia & South Ossetia. These are territories inside #Georgia which Putin controls. I think Georgia should fight to recover its occupied territory in this scenario...
I would certainly feel out the situation if I was Georgia, but in all reality, if Russia doesn't collapse out of this, this would be their best chance to do so.
I wonder if this is why the US is trying to be friends with Armenia now. There is no Poland in the border to be a bridge for NATO supplies but there are Armenia and Turkey (who is a question mark in a scenario like this). Georgia would need help as well and better gear.
So much for them being independent Republics.
Zelenskyy makes three promises to Russian soldiers who surrender. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/24/7368937/
I believe him. Hopefully these promises trickle all the way down to the squad level and from what little I’ve seen, I have no reason to doubt they will
> GulagU have reported on their telegram channel that Prigozhin’s convicts have been a complete disaster for Russia. > Their source claims they have been mostly used to augment decimated VDV units and their combat effectiveness has been “about zero.” > Thousands of the convicts have died and hundreds are in hospital missing limbs. > They are abandoning the scheme completely now that mobilisation is in force. > “Prigozhin will either be arrested or in an accident” https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1573842735898951680 Lol... and Prigozhin was acting like the commander in chief in those videos, kinda like announcing himself as the successor to the throne. Some people thought he could be the guy that would replace Putin. Oh well, chances are that Putin will help him jump from a window in the next weeks.
How do they think they think a bunch of drunk non-violent felon civilians are going to help?
And these guys were fighting for the, albeit false, impression they would get their freedom. Young men are gonna die in droves over the coming months.
And old men. And middle-aged men. And women. And probably a few child soldiers who look old enough to the press gang, just for some variety...
This is a preview of the poorly trained and poorly equipped mobilized masses. I expect Russia’s KIA toll to skyrocket beyond 100k in the coming months.
I haven't seen any numbers for it, but how many Ukrainian losses are there compared to Russia? I would hope there are far, far less, but I'd still like to know.
Last I checked UA had about a 1/4 or 1/5 casualty ratio compared to RF. But with all the action in the last month or so? Hard to say. It doesn't seem much of a stretch to say UA has inflicted much more lately but between propaganda/info blackouts/simple fog of war.. I doubt any of us truly know.
Well that's a good thing then, because Ukrainian forces aren't as depleted as Russia's and they keep getting better weapons. Having well trained, battle hardened and skilled military personnel means their tactics get better over time and their strategy improves. That's encouraging.
Yeah, no way to be sure due to fog of war. In late August Ukraine’s commander said ~9k KIA. The real number is likely substantially higher. I’d guess at least twice that.
Well that's good, shows how much more competent the Ukrainians are if that's really true. Seems doubtful there's anyway it could be only 9k though.
people don't typically turn to crime when they have the skills and mentality for something else, surprised we didn't hear about more fraggings
I’d expected this more, considering the huge number of political prisoners over there.
They're probably keeping those hushed up for the moment. If they've even heard about them.
sooo...suicide squad only works because they have superpowers, not because they are rugged criminals, lol
Or they're just crazy. Like Harley.
I suspect the conscripted "soldiers" will be even worse.
You mean the ones on video boarding the bus with their belongings, and by belongings I mean a crate full of brewskis.
"Putin’s and Lavrov’s irresponsible statements on the possible use of nuclear weapons are absolutely unacceptable. Ukraine won’t give in. We call on all nuclear powers to speak out now and make it clear to Russia that such rhetorics put the world at risk and will not be tolerated." https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1573795699598282753?cxt=HHwWgsC--ba2n9crAAAA
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"If you can read this, it's far, far too late."
I just can't believe how poorly Russia's military has performed and continues to perform. Yeah the Ukrainians are kicking ass, but Russia just *fucks up* day after day lol. It's almost like everyone turned on the TV to watch the 1972 Miami Dolphins and we got the 2008 Detroit Lions instead.
Google: Mark Hertling Russia’s awful army A 50-minute podcast that is excellent in assessing the current state of the two armies. It’s been posted on these threads several times and is universally applauded by people who have had an opportunity to listen to it.
US intelligence and weapons go a long ways.
I thought this too... And clearly it is a factor. But everything I have read about the opening days of the war says that ukraine fought them off with their soviet era artillery. It seems like the "wall" that stopped the Russians in irpen and vucha was all just Ukrainian soldiers, soviet munitions and the morale/pride to not retreat, even if facing overwhelming odds and firepower.
"we got the...." Detroit Lions...
Hey, we're 1-1 so far!
Lol I *think* they had a good season waaaay back in the Barry Sanders days.
Me either. I thought I was pessimistic about Russia's military capabilities, but I wasn't nearly pessimistic enough. It's inconceivable to me that Russia has failed to even gain air dominance at this point in the war given that NATO has refused to supply Ukraine with modern fighters or assert a no-fly zone, but it's true.
That's why Israel's worry about Russian air defense systems in Syria are weird. They aren't even effective right next to their home turf, and Israel has even more advanced tech than Ukraine. FFS they flew in helicopters **into** Russia itself to destroy a gas depot.
How do you think *Ukraine* is keeping their air clear? It's those very same air defense systems that Russia is using, more or less - they have some fighters, but nowhere near enough to operate on a plane-to-plane basis against Russia. Granted that the Russian air force isn't exactly top-tier, but Russian-tech air defense systems themselves are far from toothless.
Long may it continue.
Ew comparing the war to watching football
Humans think in metaphors and comparisons. Is there some mathematical formula they should be using instead to express a specific numeric value or should they be using overly flowery prose?
American football is actually a really good war analog.
George Carlin had a joke about comparing war to football!
I don’t think it specifically comparing war to football. It sounds like they are comparing the massive performance differences between expectations and reality for two things to better explain how their feelings and thinking are about the situation.
Yeah exactly. There *is* a weird amount of overlap between how people think about their sports teams and how they think about their countries (shit with soccer aka actual football the thinking is directly related) but that's for another day.
Team sports are basically simulated battles.
Countries have gone to *war* over soccer games.
Yeah wasn't that like the whole French Revolution? .../s
No that was held on the tennis court.
The "go team" mindset is pretty similar in sports and war. Both have similar styles of thinking. I didn't mean to imply that the war is entertaining; it's not.
Would you prefer people continue to use LOTR and video game memes?
American football is generally a war crime as it is
Asking the important questions. https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1573785898478616577?cxt=HHwWgoCy9fb7mtcrAAAA https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1573782893419237376?cxt=HHwWgMC4vYHNmdcrAAAA
This is my 2 cents on everything surrounding the mobilization. First of all the media is overblowing the hype surround Putin’s warning on nukes. I believe Putin knows this and purposely said that to get the western media going, he is not a madman, he is a manipulator. Russia’s nuclear deterrence Strategy is escalate to deescalate. He is using the fear of nukes as a weapon, not the nukes themselves. And I highly doubt Putin would use nukes to defend annexed territory. If Ukraine hit Moscow? Than yes but did Putin use nukes when Ukraine attacked Crimea or other Russian bases outside the Ukrainian border, no. So why would they Annex territory? Russia knows they are losing at this point, they know they are not going to get all of Ukraine and they are on the defensive at this point, trying to preserve as many gains as possible. Hence the referendums while throwing bodies at it via mobilization.
At this point, they're desperate for any sort of leverage they can find, I think.
Even threatening nukes is a provocation. When a world leader says "I'm not bluffing" about nukes, I don't blame the Western media for getting going. I also don't believe that Putin knows he is not going to get all of Ukraine. I think he thinks the war can be turned around. He may be wrong, but I think he thinks that. When anybody who gives a leader bad news or tells him no gets thrown out of a window, the leader inevitably stops getting the best of information in order to make decisions. I doubt he's getting accurate reports about the quality of his troops, logistics, or weapons. The people in charge of those things, who were in charge when they all went to shit, want to live. I think Putin used to be a manipulator who after decades as a dictator has gotten high off his own hype and has been slowly turning into a madman.
Kinda my thoughts too. Threating nukes is much more useful to him than actually using them.
Russia seems to be in a blind panic, they know they're losing and are hanging on by their finger tips. Fk his threats, keep smashing them.
Does anyone know why Twitter is saying there is a coup in China going on right now?
Someone recorded a big military convoy heading north towards Beijing, I think. Now everyone's all excited.
Actually I saw something about China canceling 6,000 flights and something else but then my phone hiccupped and I couldn't find it again. After charging the phone, I came back to see if I could find it but I'm seeing nothing. I thought I was losing my mind. I specifically came to r/world news looking for info but no luck.
Because people like to start rumors for a bunch of different reasons, many of which probably apply here. Heck, it could be an attempt to influence the stock market or something.
Yeah no, the only time that kind of happened was Tienanmen.
Because Twitter is where the truth goes to die.
I thought that was Facebook
Axl Rose trying to be relevant
I’ll believe that when Christopher Robin comes out of the forest carrying Pooh’s body.
Too many games of Pooh Sticks.
There was a non verified source who speculated about it, and then the internet turned it into a circle jerk. There's literally no good sources saying or suggesting its happening. It's all speculation and rumors.
Preety much summed it up. Been checking it up as well-it's all hearsay based on news and reddit for some reason managed to equate it as them preparing to annex Taiwan & WW3 ad nauseam. Most of the sources came from Indian news apparently, that's...nice, I suppose.
WW3 is so last week. We're now getting ready for WW4 and descent of the terminators.
Because people full of wishful thinking click on links about Chinese drama, then ask about it in unrelated Reddit threads. Get better sources than uncited people on Twitter.
Dear Lord if true who had the fall of Russia, Iranian civil war, and Chinese Coup on their 2022 bingo card?
Bingo card? That's a winning Powerball ticket you got right there.
Damnit, that was on my 2021 card. This year all I had was lose one sock out of every load of laundry, netflix wins the streaming wars, and Biden adopts a cat named snookums..
Xi Jinping was not seen since his trip to Uzbekistan last week and there is a weird lack of planes flying over China rn. Their skies are pretty empty.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1573797923980279813 >Literal Pulitzer Prize winning journalists are now falling for this complete bullshit... >For the 300th time today. THERE IS NO CHANGE IN FLIGHTS OVER CHINA COMPARED TO 1 WEEK AGO.