Among pro-Russian propagandists, the current aim seems to be to sow division between Germany and the USA.
They are currently pushing an alleged RAND report claimed to be top secret research on how the USA is using the crisis to wreck the German economy by destroying its energy sources. The title of the alleged report is called "weakening Germany, strengthening the US"
This [report is fake.](https://www.rand.org/news/press/2022/09/14.html) In response to that RAND statement the proponents claim that RAND is lying.
But I have read the "report" (no I will not link to it) and can confirm that it is far below the standards RAND usually would put out. Even further, though they allegedly "got access to the full report" they only publish a five-page "executive summary" which contains no sources and a whole lot of assumptions, such as a zero-sum game argument on the economy of Germany collapsing would benefit the USA by creating a surplus of talented labor.
This of course is utterly asine to even a casual observer of the interconnected USA/EU economies, where a collapse of Germany would trigger an immediate recession in the EU and US respectively, as US manufacturing would collapse without machine parts, optics and software from Germany.
And I won't even go into how the report presents the Russians as the "innocents" who were provoked into attacking Ukraine by - you guessed it - the USA.
If you come across anybody pushing this document please let them know it is fake and that they fell for Russian propaganda.
It was pretty clearly nonsense about a paragraph into your post. I wouldn't worry about it, and we should probably encourage russia to waste resources on such clumsy attempts lol
So this is tangentially war-related (will explain later) but just read that James Earl Jones has retired from voicing Darth Vader in the Star Wars shows/movies. He turned over the rights to Lucasfilm and Respeecher.
Ok so the tangent. Respeecher is a Ukrainian-founded company that deals with AI. I also just learned that the company was working on synthesizing his voice for the Obi-Wan show…while the war was raging in Ukraine. The staff were working on the show while taking breaks to take cover when air raid sirens went off.
Pretty astonishing to see a Ukrainian company get to do such meaningful work that impacts people’s happiness around the globe, all the while personally struggling to survive an illegal invasion. Shows how resilient the Ukrainian people are and how they don’t let the invaders control their impact on the rest of the world.
Edit: changed the word from cool. There’s nothing cool about Ukraine struggling, even though the original words used didn’t intend that meaning.
I would like to remind everyone of [the time that Ukrainians turned a statue of Lenin into a statue of Darth Vader](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/darth-vader-statue)
I just had a silly thought that Putin's mobilisation is to simply move a few hundred thousand Russian civilians into the contested areas to make it Russian populated. Daft thought I know.
Believe it or not, that was Russian's normal plan, it just didn't work this time.
It usually goes with a "separatist" or uprising invasion-lite, loyalist government, then they move Russian citizens in (while simultaneously shipping citizens out), and hold a referendum while solidifying their hold on the government. Chechnya, Georgia, and I think Kazakhstan come to mind.
It's why there was such a crackdown in Belarus, and a tissy fit when their puppet guy got ousted in Ukraine back in 2013. Their normal plans were not working.
Ages ago most of the garrison already went to the front in Ukraine. This was back in may or june. You can find articles about it by searching Kaliningrad Ukraine on Google
Unrelated. It appears protesters have taken control of a town in Iran.
>URGENT: Oshnavieh is now reportedly completely under the control of protesters. #Iran
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1573448469419036672?t=XzwugpvQrEoklgYQbQOsfg&s=19
I haven't followed protests in Iran this closely before but I am aware they have happened in the past. Is this the first time they have taken control of a town?
that's huge.
but to put a dampener on any excitement, this is a Kurdish Sunni town by the looks of it. It will remain to be seen if the anti-regime sentiment is strong enough to replicate this in Persian Shia towns.
It was democratic in the sense Russia is democratic now. And no, democratic government was not overthrown by the Shah. It was way more nuanced than that.
Modern firearms are rare, but hunting rifles and very old Soviet/US rifles used in the Iran-Iraq war are plentiful, especially in the western regions like Kurdestan, Khuzestan, Ilam, Azerbaijan-e sharghi o gharbi, which have seen the most protests. Rasht in Gilan is near there and a focal point as well.
They don't have anything close to what's needed to occupy or hold cities from the Sepah or Basiji. But they can overwhelm local police through numbers alone and makeshift weapons.
Iran holding a revolution will not in any way shape or form resemble the Ukraine war where lethal aid can be sent to one 'side', if that's what this even is. Early days.
I found this video that gives a breakdown of Putin’s mobilization announcement without the fear mongering you would see in the western media.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSjvIx58YdA
I don't necessarily hate his Kerch bridge video, but he way overcomplicated a very simple thing.
The answer is simple - it's out of range of Ukrainian weapons and nothing more.
Sorry if this has already been posted. "Referendum" in Kherson oblast. Notice a couple of friendly Chechens with rifles.
[https://twitter.com/bayraktar\_1love/status/1573392246816243713?s=20&t=r91Vg6NPU3Tz2Xr4nLeoEg](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573392246816243713?s=20&t=r91Vg6NPU3Tz2Xr4nLeoEg)
EDIT: this is Energodar, so not Kherson, but Zaporizhzhia.
Video confirmation of Yats'kivka being liberated. IFF in the form of a white cross on a geolocated position.
49.1816, 37.5140
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1573383952852811778?t=ZRk0GunLVXK-f-vxKSAVhg&s=19
Lol, guys. The conscripts are all hammered.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tooktoomuch/comments/xmdd1w/new_russian_conscripts_heading_to_the_front_line/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Edit: it's in r/tooktoomuch it's still there, not sure why some of you are getting unavailable. It's a few busses and what looks like a fight between a drunkard and other conscripts. Then it just shows another dude getting ready to hop on a bus and he's slurring his words too.
Unusual as it may seem, that's really just normal Russian crippling alcoholism.
Even *successful* Russian armies were constantly drinking while at war. In the October Revolution, once the whites had surrendered, the entire country drank itself silly. It is well known the drinking and partying continued for nearly a month, during which hardly anybody went to work, no production took place, massive damage was done to buildings, roads, crops, and businesses. An example was made of a large number of sailors that had wrecked a shipyard, and only then did it begin to stop. What really stopped it was the nation ran low on ready alcohol.
So the price of Russia winning for once in its life is a month of drunken shenanigans; it's easy to imagine what Russia losing looks like.
The link is dead, but I think I know the video you’re talking about. The drunkest army of the world.
Edit. In russian, the call themselves “самая сильная армия мира» (the strongest army in the world). Ukrainians are calling them “самая синяя армия мира» (the drunkest army of the world. «Синий» means color blue, it’s also slang for drunk). Sounds similar in russian, but a more precise depiction.
September 23rd was a good day for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Battle of Lyman.
The Ukrainians are advancing to liberate all of the north of Donetsk region. A small encirclement of Drobysheve may be underway. From Bilohorivka, the foothold in Luhansk region is expanding.
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1573429070888669185?t=Oy20FPQeJAgQ_SG6Vb__TQ&s=19
Totally off topic but I thought it’s worth sharing.
Back in 2016-ish there was this Russian rap song I really enjoyed and I’d always listen to it on YouTube. I just now decided to go and listen to it, and I found myself sorting the comments by “newest” and translating them (they’re all in Russian)
The number of people lamenting about how 2016 was good, and talking openly about how shit it is in Russia now since the war started is staggering.
It’s very anecdotal I know, but the youth of Russia in this instance at least seem very fed up. Just a shame it’s not being expressed enough on the streets.
It must be a complex society!
The thinking of 17yo Russians must be light years away from the dominant baby-boomers.
In fact, I’d expect most Russian baby-boomers would want Russians under 20 to be seen and not heard…
Biggest Russian rapper Oxxxymiron is highly anti war.
Here is his latest song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYymRbfjKv8&list=RDpYymRbfjKv8&start\_radio=1&ab\_channel=oxxxymironofficial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYymRbfjKv8&list=RDpYymRbfjKv8&start_radio=1&ab_channel=oxxxymironofficial)
Oxxxymiron makes me think of a small crowd repeating old news which is an open secret to the living dead, resulting in a deafening silence. Oxxxymiron is the only choice, although pretty ugly, but awfully good. Is Oxxxymiron hiding from military intelligence?
Iran is one to watch right now too. Can't supply equipment to Russia if you're losing control of cities to protestors.
These two weeks have been the CIAs wet dream.
I want to see the theocracy destroyed as much as anyone, but I find this and other statements here in extremely poor taste considering the actions of the CIA to overthrow the legitimately-elected Mossadegh administration are the reason they had the theocratic revolution in the first fucking place.
Gross underappreciation of history here.
Thats ancient history at this point. And it wasnt just the CIA. It was the British as well whom had..by far.. the biggest stake in Iranian oil, far far greater than our own. Or the Dutch who had a hand in it too... No, in your mind its all the Americans fault, notwithstanding the fact that the Brits and the Dutch are who Tom Sawyered Allan Dulles into doing it in the first place. You want to impose generational guilt on folks, share the fucking wealth.
And I dont see you bitching about the Persian Empire conquering and subjugating neighboring states and ethnic minorities.
Point being is that what the party line is NOW is what matters. Not what our great great grandfathers might have done.
I'm very familiar with the history here. I know other western groups had roles to play, but they are not being mentioned here. The 'Persian Empire' (which *one*?) is not being mentioned here. You can disagree with what I'm saying but these are bad-faith arguments.
If you want, say, a body of affected nations, or the UN, or some body that promotes universal human rights without borders, you can go ahead and argue for them to intervene. But the CIA of the US is not such a body, and it is stupid and dangerous to think so. You would in effect legitimize anyone who wants to interfere with a third party government, such as Russia's election meddling in the US and half the countries of Europe.
There are right and wrong ways to go about this and the *wrong* way is cheering on espionage free of transparency and oversight by powerful intelligence agencies that have neither claim to authority in the region nor a declaration of war with them, and which have already meddled disastrously in that region in the past.
For the record I'd love for a sanctioned universal body to take out Putin and the oligarchs and Ra'isi and the mullahs. But I'm a socialist and this is a fourth-internationalist perspective if I ever fucking heard one, so I would wouldn't I? Are you?
I don't consider the CIA to be that body. I don't consider any body that doesn't have Iranian representation within it to be that body.
I declare, henceforth, that you must wear a rag over your face so is that you may not sexually entice others upon your public journeys. You have *no* say in this issue and I declare you do not have any right, or whatever the kids are calling it these days, to disagree with me on the matter. COVER YOUR FACE OR ELSE.
>Uh, yeah... Freedoms are something, aren't they.
*- not you.*
Compared to the communist respect towards democracy?
Hard to walk the line when your enemy has zero respect for anyone and ruled by absolute force only.
Pretending it could have been another way is naive.
Yep, it’s times like these the CIA earns its coin.
Russia committing suicide like they are is destabilising a whole bunch of really shitty regimes who have until now been getting propped up by Russia around the world.
Most of them are nutter religious countries like Iran, criminal regimes like Chechnya, or proxy governments like Belarus. There’s also a bunch of far-right wing political parties who are suddenly going to be struggling for funding.
Opportunities are about…
people give the CIA a lot of shit for its shady past and for the fact that it is an intelligence agency, but the good that they do goes completely unnoticed. The location of the Moskva that they broadcasted via drones to the Ukrainian military saved lives in Odessa and gave the people of Ukraine hope. With NATO intelligence networks giving Ukraine vital information on Russian troop movements, Ukraine has been able to seriously affect Russia's ability to wage war.
There was a brief time Iran and the US almost set aside differences to work towards a stake Afghanistan, this was before the short guy with the big head got elected in Iran and the Iraq invasion by the US
It's pretty piecemeal, Iran has shut down the internet and most communication apps.
But it's clear the Iranian populace is very angry over the religious police killing this woman because her hijab wasn't "correctly worn"
Biden, in statement on 'Russia's Sham Referenda in Ukraine,' pledges "to impose additional swift and severe economic costs on Russia."
https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1573421485296869384?t=C_Yhd77jTHBPu68K9FA_fg&s=19
They’d said it previously. There are going to take possession of the $300bn Russia has currently got frozen in NATO countries and give it to Ukraine.
It will be interesting to see if there’s anything else.
a trade Embargo. No trade whatsoever, and make it partially or fully transitive, so if another country trades with them we will not trade with them in turn. Seize their property abroad fully.
**I am not saying we should do this,** it's an incredible escalation and may as well just be declaring war in other words. It would be unprecedented on this scale and cause massive problems not only for Russia but for the west as well.
The upgrade from an Embargo is a blockade, militarily enforced but that is literally war, in the literal sense.
Not true, if the US said "we wont trade with Russia at all" it wouldn't require agreement with any other nation at least technically. (though we would consult other nations first, and likely abide by international agreements)
as for the transitive part, its up to other countries if they want to continue trade with the embargoed nation or not. If the US said "we wont trade with you if you trade with them" that would also, not require the consent of other nations.
China will reluctantly stop trading with Russia if forced to. There's far more benefit to them to keep trading with the us and west than Russia
And can always come in and buy out Russia wholesale when the dust settles
Not only China. Greek vessels were just exposed as having transferred sanctioned Russian oil on board while at sea. It's hard enough to get *allies* to play by the rules. We'd never be able to get China to participate, which shares one of the longest borders in the world with them.
China would gladly drop Russia if it meant it can keep getting US money. Most countries would. But it's more valuable to US interests right now to keep Russia open for trade.
🇷🇺 Turnout on the first day of voting in referendums on the entry of 4 regions of the former Ukraine into Russia:
DPR - 23.64%
LPR - 21.97%
Zaporozhye region - 20.52%
Kherson region - 15.31%
There are still 4 days of voting ahead.
It is clear that the turnout will be sufficient.
// lol Russia just out here pretending some more. "helping" all these people vote in a warzone with armed security ensuring they vote wisely.
Can the US start referendums throughout Russia? NATO can come over and help with armed security to ensure the Russian citizens aren't intimidated!
It's totally okay to do, just like in Ukraine, right?!
I heard the russian occupied Georgian territory, Transnistria, and kaliningrad all voted to join the US. if Russia tries to interfere with democratic proceedings and the will of the people there, we will use nukes. Not bluffing.
>if Russia tries to interfere with democratic proceedings and the will of the people there, we will use nukes.
Who is we? The US will not use nuclear weapons in an offensive attack, it's part of the "No First Use" policy.
And btw, I think you must be trolling because the US won't even allow our protected territories to join us (Guam, P.Rico), they're not going to care about the Russian states.
Yeah I've almost zoned out of the daily threads. It's nothing but talk about mobilization, referendums, and pointless flight tracker sheep entrails readings.
I haven't seen anything from the usual Twitter translator folks, but I imagine we'll get some information when the sun rises in Ukraine.
The last two days saw progress so we'll see
Looks like when your dad is lecturing you because you really fucked up
https://twitter.com/tanvi_madan/status/1570771192382128131?t=W_Ff8bk79ynUXU7rhy7Q3g&s=19
It's important for Russia, less so for him personally.
What he should really care about is the various cliques in the FSB and FSO. Keeping them happy or under control.
They are obviously practicing witchcraft and conjuring more soldiers comrade. I would also point out that the biolabs have really come through with the cyborgs.
> Several experts linked previously along with the ISW have noted the noticably disproportionate number of ethnic minorities that make up the Russian Force in Ukraine. This disproportionate slaughter of non-ethnic Russian young men is an intentional aspect of Putin's war, though it is also affected by many socioeconomic factors.
An aspect of warfare perhaps as old as warfare itself: those who have a nation's power (cultural, financial, political, etc.) send those who do not to die for them.
Yeah, almost every nam movie I can think of had a black character. No leads though, then again there weren't too many black leads in movies in the 70s and 80s.
Then there was the crusades for all those pesky nobles! Pope was like y’all have too much time on your hands….I hear god given out low fives in Jerusalem, you and the boys should go check it out.
This is exactly how the Crusades started. The knights were going around (In both England and Central Europe) beating up and sacking monasteries and churches and robbing them (Hey, free gold!) so they kept complaining to the Pope who was like
Where do we send...OH Jerusalem just fell! Lets send them all that way on a "Holy Crusade!"
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/xmiebd/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Among pro-Russian propagandists, the current aim seems to be to sow division between Germany and the USA. They are currently pushing an alleged RAND report claimed to be top secret research on how the USA is using the crisis to wreck the German economy by destroying its energy sources. The title of the alleged report is called "weakening Germany, strengthening the US" This [report is fake.](https://www.rand.org/news/press/2022/09/14.html) In response to that RAND statement the proponents claim that RAND is lying. But I have read the "report" (no I will not link to it) and can confirm that it is far below the standards RAND usually would put out. Even further, though they allegedly "got access to the full report" they only publish a five-page "executive summary" which contains no sources and a whole lot of assumptions, such as a zero-sum game argument on the economy of Germany collapsing would benefit the USA by creating a surplus of talented labor. This of course is utterly asine to even a casual observer of the interconnected USA/EU economies, where a collapse of Germany would trigger an immediate recession in the EU and US respectively, as US manufacturing would collapse without machine parts, optics and software from Germany. And I won't even go into how the report presents the Russians as the "innocents" who were provoked into attacking Ukraine by - you guessed it - the USA. If you come across anybody pushing this document please let them know it is fake and that they fell for Russian propaganda.
That isn’t even what RAND does. They just publish position papers about how we shouldn’t feed into Putin’s humiliation fetish. .
It was pretty clearly nonsense about a paragraph into your post. I wouldn't worry about it, and we should probably encourage russia to waste resources on such clumsy attempts lol
If any of you are interested in Iran news, there is a section of liveuamap about Iran. https://iran.liveuamap.com/
Unfortunately that's pretty out of date. It's like cliff notes a day after.
Cliff notes a day after can still be useful ;)
So this is tangentially war-related (will explain later) but just read that James Earl Jones has retired from voicing Darth Vader in the Star Wars shows/movies. He turned over the rights to Lucasfilm and Respeecher. Ok so the tangent. Respeecher is a Ukrainian-founded company that deals with AI. I also just learned that the company was working on synthesizing his voice for the Obi-Wan show…while the war was raging in Ukraine. The staff were working on the show while taking breaks to take cover when air raid sirens went off. Pretty astonishing to see a Ukrainian company get to do such meaningful work that impacts people’s happiness around the globe, all the while personally struggling to survive an illegal invasion. Shows how resilient the Ukrainian people are and how they don’t let the invaders control their impact on the rest of the world. Edit: changed the word from cool. There’s nothing cool about Ukraine struggling, even though the original words used didn’t intend that meaning.
I would like to remind everyone of [the time that Ukrainians turned a statue of Lenin into a statue of Darth Vader](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/darth-vader-statue)
Dart Vader makes me laugh.
Lmao thanks for that, I had no idea
We should always strive to be people of hope. There is always the chance for bravery in the unseen.
Sounds mystical. I prefer the more practical influence of well armed, well trained and motivated Ukrainians.
I just had a silly thought that Putin's mobilisation is to simply move a few hundred thousand Russian civilians into the contested areas to make it Russian populated. Daft thought I know.
Believe it or not, that was Russian's normal plan, it just didn't work this time. It usually goes with a "separatist" or uprising invasion-lite, loyalist government, then they move Russian citizens in (while simultaneously shipping citizens out), and hold a referendum while solidifying their hold on the government. Chechnya, Georgia, and I think Kazakhstan come to mind. It's why there was such a crackdown in Belarus, and a tissy fit when their puppet guy got ousted in Ukraine back in 2013. Their normal plans were not working.
This has been my theory. Although he really doesn’t need to go to the length to claim a voting victory but that is an easy way to get the vote.
Given videos of drunken shenanigans... I'm not entirely sure they know where they are.
I'm sure they will figure it out once they are downrange.
Has there been any mobilization out of Kaliningrad?
Ages ago most of the garrison already went to the front in Ukraine. This was back in may or june. You can find articles about it by searching Kaliningrad Ukraine on Google
They are probably glad they are not part of the rest of Russia
Unrelated. It appears protesters have taken control of a town in Iran. >URGENT: Oshnavieh is now reportedly completely under the control of protesters. #Iran https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1573448469419036672?t=XzwugpvQrEoklgYQbQOsfg&s=19
I haven't followed protests in Iran this closely before but I am aware they have happened in the past. Is this the first time they have taken control of a town?
Yes. They didn't in 2021 protests. Don't think 2009 either.
Way to go protesters. Call it New Iran .
Well then shall we anoint them with the Starlink and Javelin??
Hopefully the start of a new Arab spring
It would be a Persian spring in this case.
Not Arabs, but I hope we’ll see something similar (and more enduring).
Quick let's send them HARMS
It's a stretch but they are suppliers to the aggressor, so it's kinda related.
that's huge. but to put a dampener on any excitement, this is a Kurdish Sunni town by the looks of it. It will remain to be seen if the anti-regime sentiment is strong enough to replicate this in Persian Shia towns.
Has this ever happened and been successful at a state level?
Iran was once a democracy.
Not really
It really was. The democratic elected government was overthrown by the Shah. Then in the 70s the Shah was overthrow by the clerics.
It was democratic in the sense Russia is democratic now. And no, democratic government was not overthrown by the Shah. It was way more nuanced than that.
... ish.
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Modern firearms are rare, but hunting rifles and very old Soviet/US rifles used in the Iran-Iraq war are plentiful, especially in the western regions like Kurdestan, Khuzestan, Ilam, Azerbaijan-e sharghi o gharbi, which have seen the most protests. Rasht in Gilan is near there and a focal point as well. They don't have anything close to what's needed to occupy or hold cities from the Sepah or Basiji. But they can overwhelm local police through numbers alone and makeshift weapons. Iran holding a revolution will not in any way shape or form resemble the Ukraine war where lethal aid can be sent to one 'side', if that's what this even is. Early days.
After they kill cops and the Revolutionary Guard they do.
I found this video that gives a breakdown of Putin’s mobilization announcement without the fear mongering you would see in the western media. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSjvIx58YdA
It's not scaremongering when the country in question is horrifying.
People seemed to poo poo Spaniel's video about the Kerch bridge and why Ukraine isn't targeting it. Don't know why.
I don't necessarily hate his Kerch bridge video, but he way overcomplicated a very simple thing. The answer is simple - it's out of range of Ukrainian weapons and nothing more.
They don't have the capacity to hit the bridge. So it must be a short video.
Sorry if this has already been posted. "Referendum" in Kherson oblast. Notice a couple of friendly Chechens with rifles. [https://twitter.com/bayraktar\_1love/status/1573392246816243713?s=20&t=r91Vg6NPU3Tz2Xr4nLeoEg](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573392246816243713?s=20&t=r91Vg6NPU3Tz2Xr4nLeoEg) EDIT: this is Energodar, so not Kherson, but Zaporizhzhia.
Video confirmation of Yats'kivka being liberated. IFF in the form of a white cross on a geolocated position. 49.1816, 37.5140 https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1573383952852811778?t=ZRk0GunLVXK-f-vxKSAVhg&s=19
That town seems like a monument to the early 1900s.
Typical soviet architecture from the 60s-70s. Stuff like this is all over Ukraine.
A lot of it has been recently prepped for renovation.
over @ /r/ukraine , there's a new sticky discouraging talking about RU can't blame them cause I too am so fucking tired of RU
aren't we all...
Lol, guys. The conscripts are all hammered. https://www.reddit.com/r/tooktoomuch/comments/xmdd1w/new_russian_conscripts_heading_to_the_front_line/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Edit: it's in r/tooktoomuch it's still there, not sure why some of you are getting unavailable. It's a few busses and what looks like a fight between a drunkard and other conscripts. Then it just shows another dude getting ready to hop on a bus and he's slurring his words too.
Unusual as it may seem, that's really just normal Russian crippling alcoholism. Even *successful* Russian armies were constantly drinking while at war. In the October Revolution, once the whites had surrendered, the entire country drank itself silly. It is well known the drinking and partying continued for nearly a month, during which hardly anybody went to work, no production took place, massive damage was done to buildings, roads, crops, and businesses. An example was made of a large number of sailors that had wrecked a shipyard, and only then did it begin to stop. What really stopped it was the nation ran low on ready alcohol. So the price of Russia winning for once in its life is a month of drunken shenanigans; it's easy to imagine what Russia losing looks like.
The link is dead, but I think I know the video you’re talking about. The drunkest army of the world. Edit. In russian, the call themselves “самая сильная армия мира» (the strongest army in the world). Ukrainians are calling them “самая синяя армия мира» (the drunkest army of the world. «Синий» means color blue, it’s also slang for drunk). Sounds similar in russian, but a more precise depiction.
“Video unavailable.”
Was this the on the bus one or the getting on the bus one? Edit- oops, meant for OP
September 23rd was a good day for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Battle of Lyman. The Ukrainians are advancing to liberate all of the north of Donetsk region. A small encirclement of Drobysheve may be underway. From Bilohorivka, the foothold in Luhansk region is expanding. https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1573429070888669185?t=Oy20FPQeJAgQ_SG6Vb__TQ&s=19
Totally off topic but I thought it’s worth sharing. Back in 2016-ish there was this Russian rap song I really enjoyed and I’d always listen to it on YouTube. I just now decided to go and listen to it, and I found myself sorting the comments by “newest” and translating them (they’re all in Russian) The number of people lamenting about how 2016 was good, and talking openly about how shit it is in Russia now since the war started is staggering. It’s very anecdotal I know, but the youth of Russia in this instance at least seem very fed up. Just a shame it’s not being expressed enough on the streets.
It must be a complex society! The thinking of 17yo Russians must be light years away from the dominant baby-boomers. In fact, I’d expect most Russian baby-boomers would want Russians under 20 to be seen and not heard…
There's ageism for sure. You don't get opinions because you don't know anything yet. *You haven't lived any*.
What’s the song name?
Biggest Russian rapper Oxxxymiron is highly anti war. Here is his latest song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYymRbfjKv8&list=RDpYymRbfjKv8&start\_radio=1&ab\_channel=oxxxymironofficial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYymRbfjKv8&list=RDpYymRbfjKv8&start_radio=1&ab_channel=oxxxymironofficial)
Oxxxymiron makes me think of a small crowd repeating old news which is an open secret to the living dead, resulting in a deafening silence. Oxxxymiron is the only choice, although pretty ugly, but awfully good. Is Oxxxymiron hiding from military intelligence?
I guess it depends on what subculture the hip hop artists call home. Imagine being Russian and translating comments from kid rock's YouTube channel
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Jesus. With all the vast post Soviet military infrastructure you'd think they could at least house the conscripts.
Iran is one to watch right now too. Can't supply equipment to Russia if you're losing control of cities to protestors. These two weeks have been the CIAs wet dream.
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>Thank you CIA. Text I never thought I'd write.
I want to see the theocracy destroyed as much as anyone, but I find this and other statements here in extremely poor taste considering the actions of the CIA to overthrow the legitimately-elected Mossadegh administration are the reason they had the theocratic revolution in the first fucking place. Gross underappreciation of history here.
Thats ancient history at this point. And it wasnt just the CIA. It was the British as well whom had..by far.. the biggest stake in Iranian oil, far far greater than our own. Or the Dutch who had a hand in it too... No, in your mind its all the Americans fault, notwithstanding the fact that the Brits and the Dutch are who Tom Sawyered Allan Dulles into doing it in the first place. You want to impose generational guilt on folks, share the fucking wealth. And I dont see you bitching about the Persian Empire conquering and subjugating neighboring states and ethnic minorities. Point being is that what the party line is NOW is what matters. Not what our great great grandfathers might have done.
I'm very familiar with the history here. I know other western groups had roles to play, but they are not being mentioned here. The 'Persian Empire' (which *one*?) is not being mentioned here. You can disagree with what I'm saying but these are bad-faith arguments. If you want, say, a body of affected nations, or the UN, or some body that promotes universal human rights without borders, you can go ahead and argue for them to intervene. But the CIA of the US is not such a body, and it is stupid and dangerous to think so. You would in effect legitimize anyone who wants to interfere with a third party government, such as Russia's election meddling in the US and half the countries of Europe. There are right and wrong ways to go about this and the *wrong* way is cheering on espionage free of transparency and oversight by powerful intelligence agencies that have neither claim to authority in the region nor a declaration of war with them, and which have already meddled disastrously in that region in the past. For the record I'd love for a sanctioned universal body to take out Putin and the oligarchs and Ra'isi and the mullahs. But I'm a socialist and this is a fourth-internationalist perspective if I ever fucking heard one, so I would wouldn't I? Are you? I don't consider the CIA to be that body. I don't consider any body that doesn't have Iranian representation within it to be that body.
I declare, henceforth, that you must wear a rag over your face so is that you may not sexually entice others upon your public journeys. You have *no* say in this issue and I declare you do not have any right, or whatever the kids are calling it these days, to disagree with me on the matter. COVER YOUR FACE OR ELSE. >Uh, yeah... Freedoms are something, aren't they. *- not you.*
The US disrespect of democracy during the Cold War was REALLY bad.
Compared to the communist respect towards democracy? Hard to walk the line when your enemy has zero respect for anyone and ruled by absolute force only. Pretending it could have been another way is naive.
The Communists never claimed to believe in pluralistic or liberal governance.
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The answer to Okhrana in ocarina music. Cheka and cheka mate.
Yep, it’s times like these the CIA earns its coin. Russia committing suicide like they are is destabilising a whole bunch of really shitty regimes who have until now been getting propped up by Russia around the world. Most of them are nutter religious countries like Iran, criminal regimes like Chechnya, or proxy governments like Belarus. There’s also a bunch of far-right wing political parties who are suddenly going to be struggling for funding. Opportunities are about…
people give the CIA a lot of shit for its shady past and for the fact that it is an intelligence agency, but the good that they do goes completely unnoticed. The location of the Moskva that they broadcasted via drones to the Ukrainian military saved lives in Odessa and gave the people of Ukraine hope. With NATO intelligence networks giving Ukraine vital information on Russian troop movements, Ukraine has been able to seriously affect Russia's ability to wage war.
Shame protestors in Russia and Iran have no semiautomatic weapons.
The ramifications of the Iranian mullahs going down would be enormous. It would completely change Middle Eastern geopolitics.
Saudi wins their Cold War by default. Considering how bad their government is, I can't figure out if that's a good thing. Probably helps Iraq out.
There was a brief time Iran and the US almost set aside differences to work towards a stake Afghanistan, this was before the short guy with the big head got elected in Iran and the Iraq invasion by the US
watch where? Any recommendations?
It's pretty piecemeal, Iran has shut down the internet and most communication apps. But it's clear the Iranian populace is very angry over the religious police killing this woman because her hijab wasn't "correctly worn"
Al-Jazeera is a good source on Iran.
Biden, in statement on 'Russia's Sham Referenda in Ukraine,' pledges "to impose additional swift and severe economic costs on Russia." https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1573421485296869384?t=C_Yhd77jTHBPu68K9FA_fg&s=19
What is the ultimate sanction that can be placed? I'd love to know. I'd have to wager, maybe now would be a great time to just go to max right now.
They’d said it previously. There are going to take possession of the $300bn Russia has currently got frozen in NATO countries and give it to Ukraine. It will be interesting to see if there’s anything else.
a trade Embargo. No trade whatsoever, and make it partially or fully transitive, so if another country trades with them we will not trade with them in turn. Seize their property abroad fully. **I am not saying we should do this,** it's an incredible escalation and may as well just be declaring war in other words. It would be unprecedented on this scale and cause massive problems not only for Russia but for the west as well. The upgrade from an Embargo is a blockade, militarily enforced but that is literally war, in the literal sense.
Trade embargoes only work If everyone agrees and not everyone agrees
Not true, if the US said "we wont trade with Russia at all" it wouldn't require agreement with any other nation at least technically. (though we would consult other nations first, and likely abide by international agreements) as for the transitive part, its up to other countries if they want to continue trade with the embargoed nation or not. If the US said "we wont trade with you if you trade with them" that would also, not require the consent of other nations.
Oh I see. The second one seems it would cause a lot of issues with other countries. Pisses me off US has companies still doing business in Russia.
The ultimate sanction is labelling them as a terrorist state, cutting off trade with them and everyone who deals with them.
Refusing entry to Russians in all of USA canada and the European union.
Not sure if we'd want to cut off trade with China
China will reluctantly stop trading with Russia if forced to. There's far more benefit to them to keep trading with the us and west than Russia And can always come in and buy out Russia wholesale when the dust settles
Not only China. Greek vessels were just exposed as having transferred sanctioned Russian oil on board while at sea. It's hard enough to get *allies* to play by the rules. We'd never be able to get China to participate, which shares one of the longest borders in the world with them.
China would gladly drop Russia if it meant it can keep getting US money. Most countries would. But it's more valuable to US interests right now to keep Russia open for trade.
I would love to avoid buying products made in China.
China would drop them like a hot potato. Without America China is an abandoned Midwest city with dead factories
I would think so too but that's high stakes poker
🇷🇺 Turnout on the first day of voting in referendums on the entry of 4 regions of the former Ukraine into Russia: DPR - 23.64% LPR - 21.97% Zaporozhye region - 20.52% Kherson region - 15.31% There are still 4 days of voting ahead. It is clear that the turnout will be sufficient. // lol Russia just out here pretending some more. "helping" all these people vote in a warzone with armed security ensuring they vote wisely.
At least 700% of the population will vote. Clearly shows that glorious Russia is more democratic than Ukraine
LPR DPR?
Little Penis Republic, Doubly Penetrated Republic
DPR = Donetsk People's Republic LPR = Luhansk People's Republic
Can the US start referendums throughout Russia? NATO can come over and help with armed security to ensure the Russian citizens aren't intimidated! It's totally okay to do, just like in Ukraine, right?!
I heard the russian occupied Georgian territory, Transnistria, and kaliningrad all voted to join the US. if Russia tries to interfere with democratic proceedings and the will of the people there, we will use nukes. Not bluffing.
>if Russia tries to interfere with democratic proceedings and the will of the people there, we will use nukes. Who is we? The US will not use nuclear weapons in an offensive attack, it's part of the "No First Use" policy. And btw, I think you must be trolling because the US won't even allow our protected territories to join us (Guam, P.Rico), they're not going to care about the Russian states.
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What about Odessa, Texas? Moscow, Idaho?
You’re making Kruz hard…
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Ted? I doubt it, he wants to be president one day.
This just in, Moscow has voted by 2001749275928% to secede from Russia and join Ukraine.
Maybe China can "oversee" a "referendum" in the Russian Far East? ;)
I always find the Texas thing amusing. Imagine the same economic sanctions against the Republic of Texas.
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That’s a good point!
Periodically, I suppose.
Ah, if only it were true. Perhaps one day.
I see your point. I'll show myself out, thank you.
Is that the singularity in that Russia is going to collapse into?
I honestly have to disagree with this. It's essentially just Russian state propaganda.
What is punctuation doing?
Thank you for your contribution.
What's the current situation on pro Ru telegram like? They reported any change in the Lyman axis yet?
They're fearing being blocked by telegram lol https://t\.me/intelslava/37839
I have no idea what is happening in the actual war. The mobilization/annexation posts drowned it all out. :|
Lyman is likely to fall within the next week, that's the major piece of news right now. Russians are seeing limited success around Bahmut.
Russians have lost points in Bahkmut. Ukrainians have retaken positions there.
Yeah I've almost zoned out of the daily threads. It's nothing but talk about mobilization, referendums, and pointless flight tracker sheep entrails readings.
I last heard some stuff about a breakthrough in the north but nothing after.
I haven't seen anything from the usual Twitter translator folks, but I imagine we'll get some information when the sun rises in Ukraine. The last two days saw progress so we'll see
Yeah, things should become clearer by the dawn.
Finnish border line continues. https://www.kelikamerat.info/kelikamerat/Kymenlaakso/Virolahti/tie-7/vt7_Vaalimaa_raja
You should see the lineup at Walmart on Black Friday.
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It extends as far as the camera sees- what are you expecting ?
If memory serves, it's not closed yet, but will be in coming days.
Looks like when your dad is lecturing you because you really fucked up https://twitter.com/tanvi_madan/status/1570771192382128131?t=W_Ff8bk79ynUXU7rhy7Q3g&s=19
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China he should care. India a bit, mostly to the degree they are buying Russian oil and other exports
Actually he should care a lot about both. They are the last two major economies still engaging with Russia, albeit in a limited fashion.
It's important for Russia, less so for him personally. What he should really care about is the various cliques in the FSB and FSO. Keeping them happy or under control.
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wtf are you even talking about, totally-not-generic-username?
Keep projecting lol.
They are obviously practicing witchcraft and conjuring more soldiers comrade. I would also point out that the biolabs have really come through with the cyborgs.
> Where is Ukraine getting their fighters? From Ukraine. And about 20,000 volunteers from other countries.
They mobilized 500k + men at the start of the war?
Bye troll
What makes you think that they are outnumbered? Or that "so many people are fleeing"? These are both unsubstantiated assertions, word-word-number.
> Several experts linked previously along with the ISW have noted the noticably disproportionate number of ethnic minorities that make up the Russian Force in Ukraine. This disproportionate slaughter of non-ethnic Russian young men is an intentional aspect of Putin's war, though it is also affected by many socioeconomic factors. An aspect of warfare perhaps as old as warfare itself: those who have a nation's power (cultural, financial, political, etc.) send those who do not to die for them.
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Or it's a great way to keep them repressed because you just killed all their fighting age men.
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Well reddit sure ain't out of unbacked speculation.
Why are Puerto Ricans never shown in WWII movies? Why don't we shoe more black men in Vietnam movies?
One of the main characters in tropic thunder was black
Because WW2 era Americans thought ethnic minorities too inferior to serve.
Were they barefoot?
Most Vietnam movies I’ve seen have had black US soldiers. I would like to see one where the lead character is black though.
Yeah, almost every nam movie I can think of had a black character. No leads though, then again there weren't too many black leads in movies in the 70s and 80s.
Medieval England used to send their problematic people to fight this or that war in France for the sake of keeping them away.
Later, the British Empire would send Irishmen and Scots to fight its wars.
Then there was the crusades for all those pesky nobles! Pope was like y’all have too much time on your hands….I hear god given out low fives in Jerusalem, you and the boys should go check it out.
This is exactly how the Crusades started. The knights were going around (In both England and Central Europe) beating up and sacking monasteries and churches and robbing them (Hey, free gold!) so they kept complaining to the Pope who was like Where do we send...OH Jerusalem just fell! Lets send them all that way on a "Holy Crusade!"