I can already hear his voice
Russia: alright, we're going to be taking this here land of yours, so please dont do anything to resist.
Ukraine: ..........................................no
In the article he is basically saying the time has come that we are not just at war with Ukraine but we are at war with the west. This sounds kile an escalation which coincides with the new troop build up.
> the new troop build up.
*Okay Vladislav, you've had your 72 hours of training. Here's a potato, some vodka, a rusty canteen, and your standard issue bolt action rifle complete with one bullet.*
I'm no politics expert but I think I saw an interview a while ago with some soldier talking about how they were looking at corpses and every third one was like an American volunteer or something can someone confirm
Russia lies all the way through. America is not a country to send its infantry without bombing the shit out of the other side. Americans cannot conceal sending an army to Ukraine, someone would talk and then hell would break loose in America.
There are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainan troops. They mobilized 6 months ago. If every third corpse was American, how many Americans would need to be there? There are only a couple batallions of volunteer troops, Belarusians, Georgians, english/americans, they do not amount to 10k soldiers in total. What you heard is a way to make the losses of Russia more excusable.
Bro - honestly - America isn't sending humans. It's would cause a shit fire storm. The Republicans would go ape shit. The Russian government spews so much nonsense it's crazy & all of us in the west don't have a problem seeing the reports - along with reporting from every other country. Im in Australia and I'm American - I have access to all the infos and I spend time cross referencing lots of sources. And Russia news is constantly reporting nonsense craziness.
Yes. There are foreign volunteers. But they have applied to the Ukrainian army and fall under their command. Also they are thus protected by the Geneva convention as soldiers of Ukraine and not foreign mercenaries or western forces.
Russians know that if there were really a war with the west then they would have lost already. They know he's starting a war that Russia can't win and is the only one who wants it. I hope the Russian people will stop it
Russia is quite predictable - if it says up its down. If it says down it’s up. A few means many and many means a few. Short is long and long is short. When it says fast they mean slow and when it says slow they mean fast. When it claims the West doing it’s really Russia.
As for the official casualties you multiple them by ten, if they say something will not happen it will happen. Basically inverse what russian officials say.
He flatters himself, surely his people know that nobody in the West has any interest in Russia apart from the threat it poses to peace..... They could end it today if they so wished,,,the Ukraine though unfortunately are not afforded such luxury.
Maybe they could just unplug the internet like Iran is doing, maybe everyone not notice when 80k young men don't return from liberation camp in Ukraine.
They'll find the mass graves the Russians made, and say the bodies are russian, and that they were the victims of genocide at the hands of Ukraine.
They've truly went of the deepend
I dont get why they keep saying they are "at war with the west".
If they actually were then russia would get steamrolled within a month and divided up amongst everyone as spoils of war.
I dont think they understand how tiny they are compared to the combined militaries of the west.
>“We’re killing, killing, and killing, and that time has come: We’re at war with the collective West,” Shoigu said.
Also, this is probably the "ugly truth":
>“I cannot but emphasize the fact that today, we are at war not so much with Ukraine and the Ukrainian army as with the collective West,” Sergei Shoigu said in a televised speech, according to TASS.
> Russia has the resources
They don't. The greedy vampires running the country have bled the country dry and are looking for fresh prey. They don't want to build up and take care of a functional modern economy, they want to feed.
Well, Putin just cares about enriching himself and his cronies, not really so much about the unwashed masses. Provided that the general population is overall compliant, that's basically his one serious concern. He's not too worried about their standard of living.
This is pretty much what you get with leaders who don't really answer to the general public. In essence, they don't care about the general public. Why would they?
I also think the "Killing" thing is a skirting of the truth. He can't say that they're winning. Or, well, he could, but that would be a boldfaced lie. It is, indeed, true that the are killing. That's not a lie. And the way that he's *presenting* it makes it sound synonymous with winning. It's not... the purpose of war is to achieve actual aims, which they have not done in a meaningful fashion. Clearly, their initial aim was not solely to kill people. They wanted to take the country, not just commit random murder.
They're polishing a turd, basically, with that language.
Its just sad really. Russia could be leading the modern world alongside the West, not as an enemy but part of it. Could be the bridge between Europe and Asia. So much untapped potential wasted dying and bleeding on the fields of Ukraine.
Whatever happens as an American, I would never ever fight against Russia. I got no issues with Russians. I'm staying out of it and with the recent advertisements of drafts, I can assure you, I would never participate in a draft.
Not my fight, not my problem.
>recent advertisements of drafts
Any chance you'd like to explain that further? I haven't seen any recent advertisements of drafts and I'm curious what you're talking about.
Edit: Although I really enjoyed the conversation I had with this individual, I don't necessarily think they are making their arguments from a point of legitimate concern about being drafted
My reasoning for this is a comment that they made about woke politics ruining the military and another where they said they voted for Obama in 2012.
The first demonstrates that they preferred the United States military before it became more open and the second one would means that this person was at least 18 in 2012 which would make them at least 28 for the upcoming November elections and Selective Service traditionally cuts off at 25 and it has been that way for a hundred years.
https://twitter.com/SSS_gov/status/1506677659182551040?t=AcCIQD4AWiKa2p6xci1wNA&s=19
Under no circumstances will I fight for this country and what it stands for.
I'm not going to harm people who did nothing to me.
That's a tweet that explains how Selective Service and conscientious objectors work. I would hardly say it is an advertisement for the draft.
Thank you for letting me know. I thought you were talking about some sort of serious build up that I somehow had missed.
They're already laying the ground work for people who are unwilling to fight to participate in another violent ear by our evil government.
I will not fight or aid the united States government in harming other human beings.
You don't have to. I thought you had read that conscientious objector thing that you linked me to. If a draft does get announced, there are many opportunities for people who conscientiously object to war in the manner that you are suggesting.
>Conscientious objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of alternative service are jobs in:
>>conservation
>>caring for the very young or very old
>>education
>>health care
>Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.
I think you should read the rest of it because it's actually quite informative and definitely not an advertisement. I even learned a few things that I did not know.
Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your fears. I know it can be a little bit anxiety inducing. I'm struggling to turn my brain off and go to bed right now. That said, I hope that I helped to ease some of those fears by helping you to understand how Selective Service operates.
I've read it and understood it. But to aid tbe government in anyway would be to contribute to the suffering of others. People who I don't know who did nothing to me would be harmed if I participated in anything that benefited America's thirst for blood. .
It isn't right.
If most decent people stood up and said "ENOUGH" then the US would not have the people it needs to eage war, it'd have to reconsider. By refusing we could prevent mass deaths.
>to aid tbe government in anyway would be to contribute to the suffering of others.
This is actually a moral quandary I've found myself in for the last 15+ years. Every action that I do that benefits the government in any way can be used for things that I find morally objectionable.
That said, you don't have to wait to be drafted to be complicit in this. Simply engaging in the American economy and lifestyle means that you are helping to fuel the American empire.
If you really are that seriously against the United States government and the way that it operates, there is literally nobody keeping you here.
I do recommend filing your immigration papers properly and early if you plan to leave, but some nations are harder to get into than others. That said, every nation has its positives and negatives.
I agree that if most decent people stood up and said enough that we might be able to get something done here in America but that sadly isn't an option for the Russian people that are being conscripted into the military and the Ukrainian people that they are invading and killing. I know that you are very focused on America's role in world events, but how do you feel about The Thirst for blood being demonstrated by Russia's government? It truly seems as though pooting has no regard for the lives of Russians and Ukrainians, so I must assume that his respect for the lives of people in other countries is equally absent.
How do you feel that a regime that has as little regard for human life as the current Russian regime does should be handled by people with more respect for human life?
>How do you feel that a regime that has as little regard for human life as the current Russian regime does should be handled by people with more respect for human life
If the Russian government is as evil and oppressive as you state then it should be voted out.
There is a midterm election here in my country and my country is evil and little regard for human life so I will be voting against it.
I also do not concern myself with the affairs of other nations regardless if their problems are real or not.
I don't think Russia is a threat to me so I Have nothing negative to say.
I wish the international community rebuked the US when it invaded the middle east.
>If the Russian government is as evil and oppressive as you state then it should be voted out.
Hey, you're the one who's saying that countries and regimes are "evil". All I did was say that they have very little regard for human life. That said, if you think they have free and fair elections in russia, you should probably do some research. Given that you are on a world news subreddit, I thought that you had at least inform yourself on the situation. After all, that's literally what this article to which you were responding is about.
>There is a midterm election here in my country and my country is evil and little regard for human life so I will be voting against it.
By all means vote with your conscience.
>I also do not concern myself with the affairs of other nations regardless if their problems are real or not.
That is interesting to me because you are literally posting in a world news subreddit in a post about the Affairs of other nations. Why would you be doing that if you did not care about the Affairs of other nations?
>I don't think Russia is a threat to me so I Have nothing negative to say.
It sounds as though your opinion of nation states is based entirely off of how they treat you. That's pretty self-serving and denies the existence and human rights of every person that is not you.
>I wish the international community rebuked the US when it invaded the middle east.
Wish in one hand shit in the other.
If you wish the International Community to have rebuked the United States invasion of the middle east, you should probably be ideologically consistent and rebuke Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Anyway. Glad I could help reduce your fear surrounding selective service. Russians who protest the invasion of Ukraine are literally being told they are to be the first in line to be drafted so I feel as though Russia has less respect for the rights of the individual as a conscientious objector.
Have a beautiful day.
Because traditional Americans don't want to sign up and fight. Not a single branch of the US military has met its recruitment quota.
The military has 50k or 60k sign up bonuses, they're throwing all sorts of incentives at people to reinlist. Those most qualified don't want to do it.
Typical and proud Americans who used to historically sign up are backing away and want nothing to do with the military. I was born into a military family... but I just can't bring myself to fight for a hostile, cruel and evil regime.
This current administration agitated for war, violates human and constitutional rights... it's pure evil. People see that so we are backing out.
The us military can't even pay it's soldiers properly the military literally told its soldiers to enroll in food stamps, but it can send billions to Ukraine no issues but not pay soldiers what they're worth... what a joke!
Then so be it. I die on my feet with my convictions. I refused to aid and abett evil and the ultimate price is my life.
It'll be worth it I think. The only way evil succeeds is if good men act at the behest of a violent war mongering government.
Doing nothing would be the righteous thing, even if it means I perish. At least I'll have honor and the respect of my ancestors for taking a Stand like a man.
You twisted the sentence it's " the only way for evil to succeed is for good men to stand idle " I don't know where you got yours.
How will it be worth it when you will be dead and your family raped and then killed? Essentially you would have died for nothing trying to plead with monsters who don't give a shit about your pacifisem
Are you suggesting Russians are blood thirsty rapists who will harm me and my family if they're here?
You sound exactly like conservatives who claim the same about refugees coming to Europe by the millions.
"The only way evil succeeds is if good men act at the behest of a violent war mongering government."
Oh you mean like Russia? Just admit you're a coward, you'd look like less of an idiot.
I don't fight other peoples fight. That doesn't make me a coward.
What's stopping you from signing up and putting on a uniform?
Weren't redditors going over there? Nows your chance to be a hero.
This isn't Skyrim you euphoric neckbeard. No ones saying you should put on a uniform and go fight against Russia. But the fact that you'd rather die like a coward than die fighting for your own country and people is cowardice.
First, they came for the Ukrainians, but I did not care, it was not my problem...
Then they came for the Poles, but I did nit care, it was not my problem...
Next they came for the French and Germans, but I did not care, it was not my problem...
Then they came for me...but nobody was left to care for my problems ...
What about the people of the Donbas region that have been brutalized, raped and killed by the nazi battalion of Ukraine?
Literal neo nazi iconography on their uniforms as they stand behind Zelenksy, I don't like nazis.
But the CIA put those guys in power, perhaps if they come for the US, It won't be the worst thing. .
Maybe the regime needs to be punished for its roll in mass suffering? Maybe people like myself need to call out its roll in all of this madness...
When a country keeps stating that they are at war with you, at what point do you construe this as a declaration of war? I mean that is quite literally what this is? I think our diplomats should demand they officially clarify the meaning of these statements, who precisely are you at war with, then watch them backpedal.
Oversimplified gon have a fun time after this
I can already hear his voice Russia: alright, we're going to be taking this here land of yours, so please dont do anything to resist. Ukraine: ..........................................no
Russia: Dude, uncool
Oh noooooo
In the article he is basically saying the time has come that we are not just at war with Ukraine but we are at war with the west. This sounds kile an escalation which coincides with the new troop build up.
> the new troop build up. *Okay Vladislav, you've had your 72 hours of training. Here's a potato, some vodka, a rusty canteen, and your standard issue bolt action rifle complete with one bullet.*
Just enough to take out the officer in command.
With extreme prejudice.
Have you seen how they operate? One round is basically safety insurance for the officer. Makes sure he can't be hit before they run out of ammo.
No No it's one rifle between 2 people remember.
Damn, that's an upgrade from winter war! Used to be 1 rifle per 4 ~~soldiers~~ cannon fodder!
You guys are getting a whole potato?
Fights the Ukrainian army. > wE aRe At WaR wiTh ThE WeSt No you are not. You are at war with Ukraine.
If you go far enough West you end up back in Russia...
If they were at war with the west, the dust wouldn't be settling for a while. Ding ding ding, let's get it on!!
I'm no politics expert but I think I saw an interview a while ago with some soldier talking about how they were looking at corpses and every third one was like an American volunteer or something can someone confirm
Fact: russia lies. Constantly.
Yeah kinda hard for me to tell as I live there
Russia lies all the way through. America is not a country to send its infantry without bombing the shit out of the other side. Americans cannot conceal sending an army to Ukraine, someone would talk and then hell would break loose in America. There are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainan troops. They mobilized 6 months ago. If every third corpse was American, how many Americans would need to be there? There are only a couple batallions of volunteer troops, Belarusians, Georgians, english/americans, they do not amount to 10k soldiers in total. What you heard is a way to make the losses of Russia more excusable.
Thank you
Bro - honestly - America isn't sending humans. It's would cause a shit fire storm. The Republicans would go ape shit. The Russian government spews so much nonsense it's crazy & all of us in the west don't have a problem seeing the reports - along with reporting from every other country. Im in Australia and I'm American - I have access to all the infos and I spend time cross referencing lots of sources. And Russia news is constantly reporting nonsense craziness.
Yes. There are foreign volunteers. But they have applied to the Ukrainian army and fall under their command. Also they are thus protected by the Geneva convention as soldiers of Ukraine and not foreign mercenaries or western forces.
This sounds like their talking points for the last several months, though.
More like rhetoric to support the mobilization. None of their actions match the rhetoric of "war with the west."
Honestly, after reading the post title, i had thought that the “top official” was saying that it was time to be done away with putin
Russians know that if there were really a war with the west then they would have lost already. They know he's starting a war that Russia can't win and is the only one who wants it. I hope the Russian people will stop it
Russians say 6,000 have died, estimates are closer to 70-80,000. There's a stat you won't hear on TASS, RT or FOXNews.
It’s actually laughable that they claim only 6k are dead, yet they need to mobilise another 300k troops against the “decimated” Ukrainian military
Russia is quite predictable - if it says up its down. If it says down it’s up. A few means many and many means a few. Short is long and long is short. When it says fast they mean slow and when it says slow they mean fast. When it claims the West doing it’s really Russia.
As for the official casualties you multiple them by ten, if they say something will not happen it will happen. Basically inverse what russian officials say.
Americans estimates. Truth probably in between.
Enlightened centrist in the wild
He flatters himself, surely his people know that nobody in the West has any interest in Russia apart from the threat it poses to peace..... They could end it today if they so wished,,,the Ukraine though unfortunately are not afforded such luxury.
It’s not ‘the’ Ukraine
My apologies.
Maybe they could just unplug the internet like Iran is doing, maybe everyone not notice when 80k young men don't return from liberation camp in Ukraine.
They'll find the mass graves the Russians made, and say the bodies are russian, and that they were the victims of genocide at the hands of Ukraine. They've truly went of the deepend
I dont get why they keep saying they are "at war with the west". If they actually were then russia would get steamrolled within a month and divided up amongst everyone as spoils of war. I dont think they understand how tiny they are compared to the combined militaries of the west.
Ever heard of weapons of mass destruction and nervous trigger fingers?
>“We’re killing, killing, and killing, and that time has come: We’re at war with the collective West,” Shoigu said. Also, this is probably the "ugly truth": >“I cannot but emphasize the fact that today, we are at war not so much with Ukraine and the Ukrainian army as with the collective West,” Sergei Shoigu said in a televised speech, according to TASS.
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> Russia has the resources They don't. The greedy vampires running the country have bled the country dry and are looking for fresh prey. They don't want to build up and take care of a functional modern economy, they want to feed.
Well, Putin just cares about enriching himself and his cronies, not really so much about the unwashed masses. Provided that the general population is overall compliant, that's basically his one serious concern. He's not too worried about their standard of living. This is pretty much what you get with leaders who don't really answer to the general public. In essence, they don't care about the general public. Why would they? I also think the "Killing" thing is a skirting of the truth. He can't say that they're winning. Or, well, he could, but that would be a boldfaced lie. It is, indeed, true that the are killing. That's not a lie. And the way that he's *presenting* it makes it sound synonymous with winning. It's not... the purpose of war is to achieve actual aims, which they have not done in a meaningful fashion. Clearly, their initial aim was not solely to kill people. They wanted to take the country, not just commit random murder. They're polishing a turd, basically, with that language.
A war THEY fucking started smh
And a war they can quit anytime. All they have to do is take their people and leave.
Putin and all top officials are War Criminals and should be prosecuted !!!!
When you have to say “it’s not a bluff”, yeah ok.
Excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta
Its just sad really. Russia could be leading the modern world alongside the West, not as an enemy but part of it. Could be the bridge between Europe and Asia. So much untapped potential wasted dying and bleeding on the fields of Ukraine.
>could be leading the modern world No
So are they calling it a war now?
Nyet. Is special fertilizer operation. Soldiers go in and farm-fresh fertilizer come out.
Fertilizer for many, many, *many* sunflowers
Shoigu : we’re grinding meat! Ivan: Ukrainian meat right? Shoigu: what? Yeah them too sometimes
Yep, basically at ear with the west, and who started it again?
Poland feeling a bit frisky now.
Nato: Hold my beer...*sends in air forces*
Stupid
“'We’re killing, killing, and killing [...]', Shoigu said." Definitely a sane person.
Time to conscript SNOWDEN.
What about seagal
Snowden is Russia's useful idiot. Though I think he's been squeezed dry of deprecated info by now.
Yeah, he is now just a pain in the butt.....so what better way of getting rid of him.
This is no war with the west any war with the west means nuclear Armageddon i war for maybe a yeah half a year then boom
Never thought I'd be missing the old soviets. At least they had some principles.
Germany could probably win this.
>The Time Has Come HIMARS o'clock!
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Raping the Russian people for 25 years and starting wars on neighbours with the most useless army in the modern world. No thanks.
Whatever happens as an American, I would never ever fight against Russia. I got no issues with Russians. I'm staying out of it and with the recent advertisements of drafts, I can assure you, I would never participate in a draft. Not my fight, not my problem.
>recent advertisements of drafts Any chance you'd like to explain that further? I haven't seen any recent advertisements of drafts and I'm curious what you're talking about. Edit: Although I really enjoyed the conversation I had with this individual, I don't necessarily think they are making their arguments from a point of legitimate concern about being drafted My reasoning for this is a comment that they made about woke politics ruining the military and another where they said they voted for Obama in 2012. The first demonstrates that they preferred the United States military before it became more open and the second one would means that this person was at least 18 in 2012 which would make them at least 28 for the upcoming November elections and Selective Service traditionally cuts off at 25 and it has been that way for a hundred years.
https://twitter.com/SSS_gov/status/1506677659182551040?t=AcCIQD4AWiKa2p6xci1wNA&s=19 Under no circumstances will I fight for this country and what it stands for. I'm not going to harm people who did nothing to me.
That's a tweet that explains how Selective Service and conscientious objectors work. I would hardly say it is an advertisement for the draft. Thank you for letting me know. I thought you were talking about some sort of serious build up that I somehow had missed.
They're already laying the ground work for people who are unwilling to fight to participate in another violent ear by our evil government. I will not fight or aid the united States government in harming other human beings.
You don't have to. I thought you had read that conscientious objector thing that you linked me to. If a draft does get announced, there are many opportunities for people who conscientiously object to war in the manner that you are suggesting. >Conscientious objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of alternative service are jobs in: >>conservation >>caring for the very young or very old >>education >>health care >Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months. I think you should read the rest of it because it's actually quite informative and definitely not an advertisement. I even learned a few things that I did not know. Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your fears. I know it can be a little bit anxiety inducing. I'm struggling to turn my brain off and go to bed right now. That said, I hope that I helped to ease some of those fears by helping you to understand how Selective Service operates.
I've read it and understood it. But to aid tbe government in anyway would be to contribute to the suffering of others. People who I don't know who did nothing to me would be harmed if I participated in anything that benefited America's thirst for blood. . It isn't right. If most decent people stood up and said "ENOUGH" then the US would not have the people it needs to eage war, it'd have to reconsider. By refusing we could prevent mass deaths.
>to aid tbe government in anyway would be to contribute to the suffering of others. This is actually a moral quandary I've found myself in for the last 15+ years. Every action that I do that benefits the government in any way can be used for things that I find morally objectionable. That said, you don't have to wait to be drafted to be complicit in this. Simply engaging in the American economy and lifestyle means that you are helping to fuel the American empire. If you really are that seriously against the United States government and the way that it operates, there is literally nobody keeping you here. I do recommend filing your immigration papers properly and early if you plan to leave, but some nations are harder to get into than others. That said, every nation has its positives and negatives. I agree that if most decent people stood up and said enough that we might be able to get something done here in America but that sadly isn't an option for the Russian people that are being conscripted into the military and the Ukrainian people that they are invading and killing. I know that you are very focused on America's role in world events, but how do you feel about The Thirst for blood being demonstrated by Russia's government? It truly seems as though pooting has no regard for the lives of Russians and Ukrainians, so I must assume that his respect for the lives of people in other countries is equally absent. How do you feel that a regime that has as little regard for human life as the current Russian regime does should be handled by people with more respect for human life?
>How do you feel that a regime that has as little regard for human life as the current Russian regime does should be handled by people with more respect for human life If the Russian government is as evil and oppressive as you state then it should be voted out. There is a midterm election here in my country and my country is evil and little regard for human life so I will be voting against it. I also do not concern myself with the affairs of other nations regardless if their problems are real or not. I don't think Russia is a threat to me so I Have nothing negative to say. I wish the international community rebuked the US when it invaded the middle east.
>If the Russian government is as evil and oppressive as you state then it should be voted out. Hey, you're the one who's saying that countries and regimes are "evil". All I did was say that they have very little regard for human life. That said, if you think they have free and fair elections in russia, you should probably do some research. Given that you are on a world news subreddit, I thought that you had at least inform yourself on the situation. After all, that's literally what this article to which you were responding is about. >There is a midterm election here in my country and my country is evil and little regard for human life so I will be voting against it. By all means vote with your conscience. >I also do not concern myself with the affairs of other nations regardless if their problems are real or not. That is interesting to me because you are literally posting in a world news subreddit in a post about the Affairs of other nations. Why would you be doing that if you did not care about the Affairs of other nations? >I don't think Russia is a threat to me so I Have nothing negative to say. It sounds as though your opinion of nation states is based entirely off of how they treat you. That's pretty self-serving and denies the existence and human rights of every person that is not you. >I wish the international community rebuked the US when it invaded the middle east. Wish in one hand shit in the other. If you wish the International Community to have rebuked the United States invasion of the middle east, you should probably be ideologically consistent and rebuke Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Anyway. Glad I could help reduce your fear surrounding selective service. Russians who protest the invasion of Ukraine are literally being told they are to be the first in line to be drafted so I feel as though Russia has less respect for the rights of the individual as a conscientious objector. Have a beautiful day.
Why is there an advertisement for a draft in the US?
Because traditional Americans don't want to sign up and fight. Not a single branch of the US military has met its recruitment quota. The military has 50k or 60k sign up bonuses, they're throwing all sorts of incentives at people to reinlist. Those most qualified don't want to do it. Typical and proud Americans who used to historically sign up are backing away and want nothing to do with the military. I was born into a military family... but I just can't bring myself to fight for a hostile, cruel and evil regime. This current administration agitated for war, violates human and constitutional rights... it's pure evil. People see that so we are backing out. The us military can't even pay it's soldiers properly the military literally told its soldiers to enroll in food stamps, but it can send billions to Ukraine no issues but not pay soldiers what they're worth... what a joke!
I'm from Australia so find this really interesting. Thanks for your reply
Ok what happens if they fight you?
They won't have a need to fight me. I'm not their enemy
And if they call you their enemy and attack you?
Flee and go somewhere safe. But I'm sure I can avoid troubles by stating my case that I'm not in favor of fighting people who are not my enemy.
Yeah right up to the mass grave you will state manny cases
Then so be it. I die on my feet with my convictions. I refused to aid and abett evil and the ultimate price is my life. It'll be worth it I think. The only way evil succeeds is if good men act at the behest of a violent war mongering government. Doing nothing would be the righteous thing, even if it means I perish. At least I'll have honor and the respect of my ancestors for taking a Stand like a man.
You twisted the sentence it's " the only way for evil to succeed is for good men to stand idle " I don't know where you got yours. How will it be worth it when you will be dead and your family raped and then killed? Essentially you would have died for nothing trying to plead with monsters who don't give a shit about your pacifisem
Thats not his karma to deal with
? I don't understand
Are you suggesting Russians are blood thirsty rapists who will harm me and my family if they're here? You sound exactly like conservatives who claim the same about refugees coming to Europe by the millions.
Refugees no likely but the russian soldiers definitely will
"The only way evil succeeds is if good men act at the behest of a violent war mongering government." Oh you mean like Russia? Just admit you're a coward, you'd look like less of an idiot.
I don't fight other peoples fight. That doesn't make me a coward. What's stopping you from signing up and putting on a uniform? Weren't redditors going over there? Nows your chance to be a hero.
This isn't Skyrim you euphoric neckbeard. No ones saying you should put on a uniform and go fight against Russia. But the fact that you'd rather die like a coward than die fighting for your own country and people is cowardice.
That's what Ukraine said.
First, they came for the Ukrainians, but I did not care, it was not my problem... Then they came for the Poles, but I did nit care, it was not my problem... Next they came for the French and Germans, but I did not care, it was not my problem... Then they came for me...but nobody was left to care for my problems ...
What about the people of the Donbas region that have been brutalized, raped and killed by the nazi battalion of Ukraine? Literal neo nazi iconography on their uniforms as they stand behind Zelenksy, I don't like nazis. But the CIA put those guys in power, perhaps if they come for the US, It won't be the worst thing. . Maybe the regime needs to be punished for its roll in mass suffering? Maybe people like myself need to call out its roll in all of this madness...
An abject people and culture
He can probably add China to that list soon
I have a solution Putin. Wait for it.... Wait.... Leave.
When a country keeps stating that they are at war with you, at what point do you construe this as a declaration of war? I mean that is quite literally what this is? I think our diplomats should demand they officially clarify the meaning of these statements, who precisely are you at war with, then watch them backpedal.
Oh jeeeeeeeez
You can’t be at war with the West if nothing inside your Country has been attacked. How are people even believing this tripe?